Why are local ICT company so expensive to sub-contract from
Hi, I was just talking to a friend who works at Nokia research company , was asking them how come they sub-contract most of there projects outside the country,,,,apparently they would love to work with local upcoming companies here in kenya, they had a project last year and they wanted to work with local companies , the quotes they were getting left them shocked , some one was quoting for a mobile application 200m (and that's was the range of the quotes),,,,yet the same project they were able to sub-contract from outside at 2m ..........are our local companies becoming greedy ? -- God Loves Us All
They can't be quoting for the same thing.... My thots... On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Imelda Mueni <mueni0@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I was just talking to a friend who works at Nokia research company , was asking them how come they sub-contract most of there
projects outside the country,,,,apparently they would love to work with local upcoming companies here in kenya,
they had a project last year and they wanted to work with local companies , the quotes they were getting left them
shocked , some one was quoting for a mobile application 200m (and that's was the range of the quotes),,,,yet the same project they were able to sub-contract
from outside at 2m ..........are our local companies becoming greedy ?
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Honestly alvin they were quoting for the same thing , am looking at the documents On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>wrote:
They can't be quoting for the same thing....
My thots...
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Imelda Mueni <mueni0@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I was just talking to a friend who works at Nokia research company , was asking them how come they sub-contract most of there
projects outside the country,,,,apparently they would love to work with local upcoming companies here in kenya,
they had a project last year and they wanted to work with local companies , the quotes they were getting left them
shocked , some one was quoting for a mobile application 200m (and that's was the range of the quotes),,,,yet the same project they were able to sub-contract
from outside at 2m ..........are our local companies becoming greedy ?
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Local companies have an annoying tendency to charge based on who is paying. So if Imelda Systems sent the SAME RFP as the Nokia one a different price would b quoted. On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Imelda Mueni <mueni0@gmail.com> wrote:
Honestly alvin they were quoting for the same thing , am looking at the documents
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>wrote:
They can't be quoting for the same thing....
My thots...
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Imelda Mueni <mueni0@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I was just talking to a friend who works at Nokia research company , was asking them how come they sub-contract most of there
projects outside the country,,,,apparently they would love to work with local upcoming companies here in kenya,
they had a project last year and they wanted to work with local companies , the quotes they were getting left them
shocked , some one was quoting for a mobile application 200m (and that's was the range of the quotes),,,,yet the same project they were able to sub-contract
from outside at 2m ..........are our local companies becoming greedy ?
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It's not only in IT. A mech will charge you more depending on what car you drive. The concept of working with fixed margins to recoup costs is non existent... On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Local companies have an annoying tendency to charge based on who is paying. So if Imelda Systems sent the SAME RFP as the Nokia one a different price would b quoted.
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Imelda Mueni <mueni0@gmail.com> wrote:
Honestly alvin they were quoting for the same thing , am looking at the documents
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com
wrote:
They can't be quoting for the same thing....
My thots...
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Imelda Mueni <mueni0@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I was just talking to a friend who works at Nokia research company , was asking them how come they sub-contract most of there
projects outside the country,,,,apparently they would love to work with local upcoming companies here in kenya,
they had a project last year and they wanted to work with local companies , the quotes they were getting left them
shocked , some one was quoting for a mobile application 200m (and that's was the range of the quotes),,,,yet the same project they were able to sub-contract
from outside at 2m ..........are our local companies becoming greedy ?
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Imelda they must also be 'subcontracting'.........those margins dont make sense....... On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Imelda Mueni <mueni0@gmail.com> wrote:
Honestly alvin they were quoting for the same thing , am looking at the documents
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
They can't be quoting for the same thing....
My thots...
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Imelda Mueni <mueni0@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I was just talking to a friend who works at Nokia research company , was asking them how come they sub-contract most of there
projects outside the country,,,,apparently they would love to work with local upcoming companies here in kenya,
they had a project last year and they wanted to work with local companies , the quotes they were getting left them
shocked , some one was quoting for a mobile application 200m (and that's was the range of the quotes),,,,yet the same project they were able to sub-contract
from outside at 2m ..........are our local companies becoming greedy ?
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Exactly Alvin ...how can you charge 200m for a project not even worth 5m, yet u dont see the big picture ,,,nokia would have been sub-contracting all there projects to you as the local company like know they have another project nokia wont even think of advertising locally On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>wrote:
Imelda they must also be 'subcontracting'.........those margins dont make sense.......
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Imelda Mueni <mueni0@gmail.com> wrote:
Honestly alvin they were quoting for the same thing , am looking at the documents
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng < ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
They can't be quoting for the same thing....
My thots...
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Imelda Mueni <mueni0@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi,
I was just talking to a friend who works at Nokia research company , was asking them how come they sub-contract most of there
projects outside the country,,,,apparently they would love to work with local upcoming companies here in kenya,
they had a project last year and they wanted to work with local companies , the quotes they were getting left them
shocked , some one was quoting for a mobile application 200m (and that's was the range of the quotes),,,,yet the same project they were able to sub-contract
from outside at 2m ..........are our local companies becoming greedy ?
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The truth is many companies in Kenya have this idea of the big payday... so when they see a name like Nokia asking for a proposal, they charge accordingly. Njaa ni mingi. On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Imelda Mueni <mueni0@gmail.com> wrote:
Exactly Alvin ...how can you charge 200m for a project not even worth 5m, yet u dont see the big picture ,,,nokia would have been sub-contracting all there projects to you as the local company
like know they have another project nokia wont even think of advertising locally
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>wrote:
Imelda they must also be 'subcontracting'.........those margins dont make sense.......
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Imelda Mueni <mueni0@gmail.com> wrote:
Honestly alvin they were quoting for the same thing , am looking at the documents
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng < ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
They can't be quoting for the same thing....
My thots...
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Imelda Mueni <mueni0@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi,
I was just talking to a friend who works at Nokia research company , was asking them how come they sub-contract most of there
projects outside the country,,,,apparently they would love to work with local upcoming companies here in kenya,
they had a project last year and they wanted to work with local companies , the quotes they were getting left them
shocked , some one was quoting for a mobile application 200m (and that's was the range of the quotes),,,,yet the same project they were able to sub-contract
from outside at 2m ..........are our local companies becoming greedy ?
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In the defence of the kenyan entrepreneur, im i supposed to charge the same to do software for imelda as i am for nokia? Honestly, isnt the issue more about how much more than it is whether i should charge more in the first place? On 1/29/10, Edwin Kaduki <ekaduki@gmail.com> wrote:
The truth is many companies in Kenya have this idea of the big payday... so when they see a name like Nokia asking for a proposal, they charge accordingly. Njaa ni mingi.
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Imelda Mueni <mueni0@gmail.com> wrote:
Exactly Alvin ...how can you charge 200m for a project not even worth 5m, yet u dont see the big picture ,,,nokia would have been sub-contracting all there projects to you as the local company
like know they have another project nokia wont even think of advertising locally
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>wrote:
Imelda they must also be 'subcontracting'.........those margins dont make sense.......
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Imelda Mueni <mueni0@gmail.com> wrote:
Honestly alvin they were quoting for the same thing , am looking at the documents
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng < ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
They can't be quoting for the same thing....
My thots...
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Imelda Mueni <mueni0@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi,
I was just talking to a friend who works at Nokia research company , was asking them how come they sub-contract most of there
projects outside the country,,,,apparently they would love to work with local upcoming companies here in kenya,
they had a project last year and they wanted to work with local companies , the quotes they were getting left them
shocked , some one was quoting for a mobile application 200m (and that's was the range of the quotes),,,,yet the same project they were able to sub-contract
from outside at 2m ..........are our local companies becoming greedy ?
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Brainiac you are right...from experience the big companies can knock you out for under quoting!! On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 1:09 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
In the defence of the kenyan entrepreneur, im i supposed to charge the same to do software for imelda as i am for nokia? Honestly, isnt the issue more about how much more than it is whether i should charge more in the first place?
On 1/29/10, Edwin Kaduki <ekaduki@gmail.com> wrote:
The truth is many companies in Kenya have this idea of the big payday... so when they see a name like Nokia asking for a proposal, they charge accordingly. Njaa ni mingi.
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Imelda Mueni <mueni0@gmail.com> wrote:
Exactly Alvin ...how can you charge 200m for a project not even worth 5m, yet u dont see the big picture ,,,nokia would have been sub-contracting all there projects to you as the local company
like know they have another project nokia wont even think of advertising locally
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>wrote:
Imelda they must also be 'subcontracting'.........those margins dont make sense.......
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Imelda Mueni <mueni0@gmail.com> wrote:
Honestly alvin they were quoting for the same thing , am looking at the documents
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng < ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
They can't be quoting for the same thing....
My thots...
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On 29 January 2010 13:10, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
Brainiac you are right...from experience the big companies can knock you out for under quoting!!
Just curious, If Safaricom contracted you to do an advert for them, how would you charge? As a local Company or by looking at the figures it posts on the press? Sincerely speaking, if you quote a price less than what they usually pay, you are not likely to get the contract. Companies tend to believe that if you are serious about doing business with them, then you must be rich enough. Meaning that a quote of less amount, which could be higher at the market vallue, is seen as a way of making yourself rich. But looking at it from another angle, a new company charging higher than the normal market rates, is likely to miss a contract. Why? because it is a new kid on the block and there is no way it can talk of high market rates yet it still in the infancy stage. Have you noticed too, that the government's tenders for civil construction will always be granted to the highest bidder. An example is the construction of NHIF at Community. I hear the contractor quoted prices seven times the normal rates, back then. Imagine a piece of stone costing 13 shilling being bought for 91Shillings? Or a bag of cement going for say, Kshs. 350, being bought for say, Shs, 2,450. @ Edward, njaa si mingi, it's all got to do with the company one is dealing with. An example, if the president's grandchild is celbrating birthday and you are contracted to take photos and video for the event, you wouldn't charge some few thousand Shillings. You might even charge per hour! But for a person on the lower cadre of society, you can do it for free. Apologies for going off-the-hook!
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 1:09 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
In the defence of the kenyan entrepreneur, im i supposed to charge the same to do software for imelda as i am for nokia? Honestly, isnt the issue more about how much more than it is whether i should charge more in the first place?
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The truth is many companies in Kenya have this idea of the big payday... so when they see a name like Nokia asking for a proposal, they charge accordingly. Njaa ni mingi.
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Imelda Mueni <mueni0@gmail.com> wrote:
Exactly Alvin ...how can you charge 200m for a project not even worth 5m, yet u dont see the big picture ,,,nokia would have been sub-contracting all there projects to you as the local company
like know they have another project nokia wont even think of advertising locally
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>wrote:
Imelda they must also be 'subcontracting'.........those margins dont make sense.......
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Imelda Mueni <mueni0@gmail.com> wrote:
Honestly alvin they were quoting for the same thing , am looking at the documents
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That is probably precisely why Nokia abandoned working with local entrepreneurs. Why would they agree to be fleeced in the manner you are prescribing? Instead of trying to fleece them with the contract why not be creative. Offer an extended support contract and charge for that (that will offer more services). Give then an option to purchase with source code and charge for that. Be creative! Don't just add zeros when you see Nokia. Everyone (including Nokia) wants to be treated fairly and to get value for money On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 1:09 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
In the defence of the kenyan entrepreneur, im i supposed to charge the same to do software for imelda as i am for nokia? Honestly, isnt the issue more about how much more than it is whether i should charge more in the first place?
On 1/29/10, Edwin Kaduki <ekaduki@gmail.com> wrote:
The truth is many companies in Kenya have this idea of the big payday... so when they see a name like Nokia asking for a proposal, they charge accordingly. Njaa ni mingi.
Rad I agree ....but still dont see how quotes can vary from 2M & 200M !!!!!!!!!!!!! On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
That is probably precisely why Nokia abandoned working with local entrepreneurs. Why would they agree to be fleeced in the manner you are prescribing? Instead of trying to fleece them with the contract why not be creative. Offer an extended support contract and charge for that (that will offer more services). Give then an option to purchase with source code and charge for that. Be creative! Don't just add zeros when you see Nokia. Everyone (including Nokia) wants to be treated fairly and to get value for money
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 1:09 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
In the defence of the kenyan entrepreneur, im i supposed to charge the same to do software for imelda as i am for nokia? Honestly, isnt the issue more about how much more than it is whether i should charge more in the first place?
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I think thats where local companies fail , you look at a comapny name and want to make a big kill there and then @alvin the three company that were shortlisted these were the quotes 200m, 170m 120m On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>wrote:
Rad I agree ....but still dont see how quotes can vary from 2M & 200M !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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That is probably precisely why Nokia abandoned working with local entrepreneurs. Why would they agree to be fleeced in the manner you are prescribing? Instead of trying to fleece them with the contract why not be creative. Offer an extended support contract and charge for that (that will offer more services). Give then an option to purchase with source code and charge for that. Be creative! Don't just add zeros when you see Nokia. Everyone (including Nokia) wants to be treated fairly and to get value for money
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In the defence of the kenyan entrepreneur, im i supposed to charge the same to do software for imelda as i am for nokia? Honestly, isnt the issue more about how much more than it is whether i should charge more in the first place?
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so when they see a name like Nokia asking for a proposal, they charge accordingly. Njaa ni mingi.
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I think that is the Kenyan problem. Everybody seems to be in search of the single deal which will make him/her. Lets learn from safaricom. Everybody knows it is more expensive its service is slightly lower due to bandwidth problems. You have every reason to quit but you find yourself going back. Lets embrace strategy. For example because safaricom knows its only a matter of time before internet is in everybody's door step their modems are dropping prices with each sunrise. hata customer care wanauza. Lets give these big companies a reason to invest locally. Its more cheaper to mantain a customer than to win one.
If you charge Nokia more simply because they are Nokia, there is something flawed in your business logic. The reason being, you should be able to price a product for the amount of resources it will consume (time is one of these). Their requirement for that particular piece of software should go into it. If they have support requirements, quote separately for this. At the end of the day, Nokia have a budget when putting together a request for proposal. The reason very few software development companies have stood the test of time in Kenya is, in my limited opinion, due to such opportunistic approaches. It's good for the short term, but in the long run, not necessarily the best as you quickly get the reputation of a profiteer and lose repeat business... -- With Regards, Phares Kariuki | T: +254 734 810 802 | E: pkariuki@gmail.com | Twitter: kaboro | Skype: kariukiphares |
Me thinks its all hogwash. Its like asking a musician, ill pay you to sing to me a song. And then president moi asking the same musician to play him the same song and expecting the fella to charge the same. Creativity i agree, price difference however i disagree. The difference between the winner and the loser in the case presented here has everything to do with negotiation skills and very little with amount. As someone put it, the 200 could be spread over 10 years as upgrades, addenda, etc. Case in point, if a firm set up a web development firm and pegged the lowest chargeable amount at 1 million, i bet you they'll still get clients. On 1/29/10, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
If you charge Nokia more simply because they are Nokia, there is something flawed in your business logic. The reason being, you should be able to price a product for the amount of resources it will consume (time is one of these). Their requirement for that particular piece of software should go into it. If they have support requirements, quote separately for this. At the end of the day, Nokia have a budget when putting together a request for proposal. The reason very few software development companies have stood the test of time in Kenya is, in my limited opinion, due to such opportunistic approaches. It's good for the short term, but in the long run, not necessarily the best as you quickly get the reputation of a profiteer and lose repeat business...
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Then good luck to you and your business if this is the way you operate. I'm telling you for a fact -- nobody likes to be taken advantage of. On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 3:21 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
Me thinks its all hogwash. Its like asking a musician, ill pay you to sing to me a song. And then president moi asking the same musician to play him the same song and expecting the fella to charge the same. Creativity i agree, price difference however i disagree. The difference between the winner and the loser in the case presented here has everything to do with negotiation skills and very little with amount. As someone put it, the 200 could be spread over 10 years as upgrades, addenda, etc.
Case in point, if a firm set up a web development firm and pegged the lowest chargeable amount at 1 million, i bet you they'll still get clients.
On 1/29/10, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
If you charge Nokia more simply because they are Nokia, there is something flawed in your business logic. The reason being, you should be able to price a product for the amount of resources it will consume (time is one of these). Their requirement for that particular piece of software should go into it. If they have support requirements, quote separately for this. At the end of the day, Nokia have a budget when putting together a request for proposal. The reason very few software development companies have stood the test of time in Kenya is, in my limited opinion, due to such opportunistic approaches. It's good for the short term, but in the long run, not necessarily the best as you quickly get the reputation of a profiteer and lose repeat business...
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As Brainiac says...this diff. in pricing must have some technical 'differences'....support, updates,etc The margin is too large!!! On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Then good luck to you and your business if this is the way you operate. I'm telling you for a fact -- nobody likes to be taken advantage of.
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 3:21 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
Me thinks its all hogwash. Its like asking a musician, ill pay you to sing to me a song. And then president moi asking the same musician to play him the same song and expecting the fella to charge the same. Creativity i agree, price difference however i disagree. The difference between the winner and the loser in the case presented here has everything to do with negotiation skills and very little with amount. As someone put it, the 200 could be spread over 10 years as upgrades, addenda, etc.
Case in point, if a firm set up a web development firm and pegged the lowest chargeable amount at 1 million, i bet you they'll still get clients.
On 1/29/10, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
If you charge Nokia more simply because they are Nokia, there is something flawed in your business logic. The reason being, you should be able to price a product for the amount of resources it will consume (time is one of these). Their requirement for that particular piece of software should go into it. If they have support requirements, quote separately for this. At the end of the day, Nokia have a budget when putting together a request for proposal. The reason very few software development companies have stood the test of time in Kenya is, in my limited opinion, due to such opportunistic approaches. It's good for the short term, but in the long run, not necessarily the best as you quickly get the reputation of a profiteer and lose repeat business...
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Brianiac just because nokia has asked proposal, of course they know and understand the project and have estimate the approximately how much it would cost hence when you start charging 200m for a project which they have consulted and know approximate how much it should cost really .... yes u cant charge rad the same rate as nokia but unrealistic quotes wont get you far On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Then good luck to you and your business if this is the way you operate.
I'm telling you for a fact -- nobody likes to be taken advantage of.
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 3:21 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
Me thinks its all hogwash. Its like asking a musician, ill pay you to sing to me a song. And then president moi asking the same musician to play him the same song and expecting the fella to charge the same. Creativity i agree, price difference however i disagree. The difference between the winner and the loser in the case presented here has everything to do with negotiation skills and very little with amount. As someone put it, the 200 could be spread over 10 years as upgrades, addenda, etc.
Case in point, if a firm set up a web development firm and pegged the lowest chargeable amount at 1 million, i bet you they'll still get clients.
On 1/29/10, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
If you charge Nokia more simply because they are Nokia, there is something flawed in your business logic. The reason being, you should be able to price a product for the amount of resources it will consume (time is one of these). Their requirement for that particular piece of software should go into it. If they have support requirements, quote separately for this. At the end of the day, Nokia have a budget when putting together a request for proposal. The reason very few software development companies have stood the test of time in Kenya is, in my limited opinion, due to such opportunistic approaches. It's good for the short term, but in the long run, not necessarily the best as you quickly get the reputation of a profiteer and lose repeat business...
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It all comes down to research. As an enterpreneur, of which most of the local companies are albeit on different scales, it is imperative to have a pulse on the pricing ranges. Kenyan companies price on who it is, and what their local profile is. We have all come across joomla installations that go for six or even seven figures, and also some very innovative solutions crafted from scratch that were paid for in pocket change. The current coders and businesspeople around are of the generation that is full of examples of people who hit 1 contract and there lives were set. Think of that nhif example. Such events inculcate themselves into people who all look to hit the motherload. To demonstrate, lets say you qualify to fulfill nokia's proposal to,say, revamp their current website. At the same time a local tour firm,(kenyahiking.com //dunno if that exists) is asking for basically the same thing, a revamp. Convince me that the client would not matter. And for measure, throw in a figure you might quote. -- i dislike capital letters +254 722 278 106
IMOP am not justifying the 200m . Imelda vs Nokia for a simple job like; an Ivoice response and may be an auto answering machine a bible and quran,with DVD /TV remote control application. Imeldas company can get the job done by even 1/4 of 2m for obvius reasons 1.Imelda is not a multinational 2.she is hardly known 3.I dont expect her to gain much from the application iin terms of quick returns Nokia 1.for evry 3 phones 2 are nokia so if we have around 20 million phones in kenya 14.5 or so are nokia.. which means they got enough what is a dream to imelda is pocket change for nokia if i charge them a lower or what many call reasonable they aoutomatically disqualify me as joker and having substardard applications. so the problem is NOKIA subcontracting direct, have a diffrent firm to do the contracts with that in kenya you will av all you want at so called reasonable price. mpesa mmmmmmhh wish I invented it ,knowing what i know would have sold it at 1.99....billion. wonder if safcom having what they av now could call it crazy On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
If you charge Nokia more simply because they are Nokia, there is something flawed in your business logic. The reason being, you should be able to price a product for the amount of resources it will consume (time is one of these). Their requirement for that particular piece of software should go into it. If they have support requirements, quote separately for this. At the end of the day, Nokia have a budget when putting together a request for proposal. The reason very few software development companies have stood the test of time in Kenya is, in my limited opinion, due to such opportunistic approaches. It's good for the short term, but in the long run, not necessarily the best as you quickly get the reputation of a profiteer and lose repeat business...
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Let me see if I get this straight. Some people here think that charging millions is what will make them look like they offer quality products and value for money? Haya basi. Good luck with that. On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 3:47 PM, maina martin <martinafrique@gmail.com>wrote:
IMOP am not justifying the 200m .
Imelda vs Nokia
for a simple job like;
an Ivoice response and may be an auto answering machine a bible and quran,with DVD /TV remote control application.
Imeldas company can get the job done by even 1/4 of 2m for obvius reasons 1.Imelda is not a multinational 2.she is hardly known 3.I dont expect her to gain much from the application iin terms of quick returns
Nokia
1.for evry 3 phones 2 are nokia so if we have around 20 million phones in kenya 14.5 or so are nokia..
which means they got enough what is a dream to imelda is pocket change for nokia
if i charge them a lower or what many call reasonable they aoutomatically disqualify me as joker and having substardard applications.
so the problem is NOKIA subcontracting direct, have a diffrent firm to do the contracts with that in kenya you will av all you want at so called reasonable price.
mpesa mmmmmmhh wish I invented it ,knowing what i know would have sold it at 1.99....billion.
wonder if safcom having what they av now could call it crazy
charging millions is not the main issue its getting what u ought to get without being taken advatage of. I ONCE qouted 50k for POS another firm qouted 120k and got it yet what I had was exact this was 2005 later the pharmacist told me that no serious POS can cost that!!!!! On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Let me see if I get this straight. Some people here think that charging millions is what will make them look like they offer quality products and value for money?
Haya basi. Good luck with that.
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 3:47 PM, maina martin <martinafrique@gmail.com>wrote:
IMOP am not justifying the 200m .
Imelda vs Nokia
for a simple job like;
an Ivoice response and may be an auto answering machine a bible and quran,with DVD /TV remote control application.
Imeldas company can get the job done by even 1/4 of 2m for obvius reasons 1.Imelda is not a multinational 2.she is hardly known 3.I dont expect her to gain much from the application iin terms of quick returns
Nokia
1.for evry 3 phones 2 are nokia so if we have around 20 million phones in kenya 14.5 or so are nokia..
which means they got enough what is a dream to imelda is pocket change for nokia
if i charge them a lower or what many call reasonable they aoutomatically disqualify me as joker and having substardard applications.
so the problem is NOKIA subcontracting direct, have a diffrent firm to do the contracts with that in kenya you will av all you want at so called reasonable price.
mpesa mmmmmmhh wish I invented it ,knowing what i know would have sold it at 1.99....billion.
wonder if safcom having what they av now could call it crazy
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Then I dare say the challenge was in the way you pitched your product. People, trust me on this one. *Everyone* (from Nokia right down to the humble sole proprietor) is looking for value for money. This is *not* the same thing is saying low price. I gave some examples above on how approach Nokia. BTW in one of the hats i wear I evaluate proposals for systems. If you think putting a single sine item of Software: 200,000,000 Kshs Only on a one page quotation will get past someone like me you will be surprised. If you want 200million out of Nokia you had better justify,and justify very well how Nokia will get *value for their money*. See above some of what i suggested. On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 4:12 PM, maina martin <martinafrique@gmail.com>wrote:
charging millions is not the main issue its getting what u ought to get without being taken advatage of.
I ONCE qouted 50k for POS another firm qouted 120k and got it yet what I had was exact
this was 2005 later the pharmacist told me that no serious POS can cost that!!!!!
@ RAD If you want 200million out of Nokia you had better justify,and justify very well how Nokia will get *value for their money *on the above qoute very simple For my universal TV/DVD remote phone application, instead of upfront 200 million ,we have it as a going concern. My product is soley used only on nokia phones 1. agree that for every Nokia phone that downloads or is installed my application I get 1% of the value of the make of phone of which ofcourse you must be a really big short for them to accept. but assuming they would do. On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Then I dare say the challenge was in the way you pitched your product.
People, trust me on this one. *Everyone* (from Nokia right down to the humble sole proprietor) is looking for value for money. This is *not* the same thing is saying low price.
I gave some examples above on how approach Nokia.
BTW in one of the hats i wear I evaluate proposals for systems. If you think putting a single sine item of Software: 200,000,000 Kshs Only on a one page quotation will get past someone like me you will be surprised.
If you want 200million out of Nokia you had better justify,and justify very well how Nokia will get *value for their money*. See above some of what i suggested.
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 4:12 PM, maina martin <martinafrique@gmail.com>wrote:
charging millions is not the main issue its getting what u ought to get without being taken advatage of.
I ONCE qouted 50k for POS another firm qouted 120k and got it yet what I had was exact
this was 2005 later the pharmacist told me that no serious POS can cost that!!!!!
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Two things... 1. Nokia asks for quote. Developer decides to ignore contents of RFP, and goes ahead to quote for coding the moon and the sky, instead of a simple app.... Cannot follow instructions... 2. Plain greed. Thing is, for you to be an organisation of Nokia's size, you need to justify everything with ROI... ICT infrastructure, everything. The reason people are rich is not because they spend carelessly, it's many times because they know where *not* to put their money. Let me illustrate. If I was being charged 200M by a rogue coder to do say a simple tool for my ERP, why not go to the vendor directly and poach a coder? you have to realize, 200M is roughly 3M USD. How do you justify that? Salary? In a ten man team? Seriously? Say you pay each coder 200k and will have another 3 working in tandem during the night shift for a 2 year period to support the application... (8 hour shifts each, hence 24 hr support - I'm being generous with pay)... You will spend, 2.6m a month, during the development phase... Say you have a 2 year SLA, you have spent 62.4 Million on salaries. Additionally, you have a CEO, CFO, CTO each at say 500k... 36M (over a 2 year period). The total is 98.4 Million. Buy each staff member a Macbook Pro. Only quality, right? 4.8 Million... 103.2 Million spent so far... Rent? Quality plush offices furnished... 6 M on offices & furniture... We are at 109.2. Say we pay 300k rent + internet... we will be at 7.2m... .116.4... We are assuming that this team has no offices, no work place from before etc... You still make almost a shilling for every shilling put in... Few investments are this lucrative.... Wouldn't it be easier for Nokia to do this for themselves? It makes a mokery of the whole theory behind outsourcing. 200M is a *large* amount of money, esp in Kenya....Even if the coder tries to deliver the moon and the sky... it's still ludicrous... as shown... On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 2:46 PM, maina martin <martinafrique@gmail.com>wrote:
@ RAD
If you want 200million out of Nokia you had better justify,and justify very well how Nokia will get *value for their money * on the above qoute very simple
For my universal TV/DVD remote phone application,
instead of upfront 200 million ,we have it as a going concern. My product is soley used only on nokia phones 1. agree that for every Nokia phone that downloads or is installed my application I get 1% of the value of the make of phone
of which ofcourse you must be a really big short for them to accept.
but assuming they would do.
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Then I dare say the challenge was in the way you pitched your product.
People, trust me on this one. *Everyone* (from Nokia right down to the humble sole proprietor) is looking for value for money. This is *not* the same thing is saying low price.
I gave some examples above on how approach Nokia.
BTW in one of the hats i wear I evaluate proposals for systems. If you think putting a single sine item of Software: 200,000,000 Kshs Only on a one page quotation will get past someone like me you will be surprised.
If you want 200million out of Nokia you had better justify,and justify very well how Nokia will get *value for their money*. See above some of what i suggested.
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 4:12 PM, maina martin <martinafrique@gmail.com>wrote:
charging millions is not the main issue its getting what u ought to get without being taken advatage of.
I ONCE qouted 50k for POS another firm qouted 120k and got it yet what I had was exact
this was 2005 later the pharmacist told me that no serious POS can cost that!!!!!
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@RAD, following the chain of discussions since my last comment, i see youve come to the same conclusion (its about the pitch, not the pricing). Onto the gist of this argument, It is not immoral to ask for 200 million if you think you can justify it and get away with it, it is just a business model. (some go for volumes, some for variety). I think arguing about the cost again is simplifying things. Debian costs nothing, Windows costs something, yet many high end clients will ignore this and go for value (or percieved value) irrespective of whether it is real or not. Cheers and enjoy your weekend. On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
Two things...
1. Nokia asks for quote. Developer decides to ignore contents of RFP, and goes ahead to quote for coding the moon and the sky, instead of a simple app.... Cannot follow instructions... 2. Plain greed. Thing is, for you to be an organisation of Nokia's size, you need to justify everything with ROI... ICT infrastructure, everything. The reason people are rich is not because they spend carelessly, it's many times because they know where *not* to put their money. Let me illustrate. If I was being charged 200M by a rogue coder to do say a simple tool for my ERP, why not go to the vendor directly and poach a coder? you have to realize, 200M is roughly 3M USD. How do you justify that? Salary? In a ten man team? Seriously? Say you pay each coder 200k and will have another 3 working in tandem during the night shift for a 2 year period to support the application... (8 hour shifts each, hence 24 hr support - I'm being generous with pay)... You will spend, 2.6m a month, during the development phase... Say you have a 2 year SLA, you have spent 62.4 Million on salaries. Additionally, you have a CEO, CFO, CTO each at say 500k... 36M (over a 2 year period). The total is 98.4 Million. Buy each staff member a Macbook Pro. Only quality, right? 4.8 Million... 103.2 Million spent so far... Rent? Quality plush offices furnished... 6 M on offices & furniture... We are at 109.2. Say we pay 300k rent + internet... we will be at 7.2m... .116.4... We are assuming that this team has no offices, no work place from before etc... You still make almost a shilling for every shilling put in... Few investments are this lucrative.... Wouldn't it be easier for Nokia to do this for themselves? It makes a mokery of the whole theory behind outsourcing. 200M is a *large* amount of money, esp in Kenya....Even if the coder tries to deliver the moon and the sky... it's still ludicrous... as shown...
On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 2:46 PM, maina martin <martinafrique@gmail.com>wrote:
@ RAD
If you want 200million out of Nokia you had better justify,and justify very well how Nokia will get *value for their money * on the above qoute very simple
For my universal TV/DVD remote phone application,
instead of upfront 200 million ,we have it as a going concern. My product is soley used only on nokia phones 1. agree that for every Nokia phone that downloads or is installed my application I get 1% of the value of the make of phone
of which ofcourse you must be a really big short for them to accept.
but assuming they would do.
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Then I dare say the challenge was in the way you pitched your product.
People, trust me on this one. *Everyone* (from Nokia right down to the humble sole proprietor) is looking for value for money. This is *not*the same thing is saying low price.
I gave some examples above on how approach Nokia.
BTW in one of the hats i wear I evaluate proposals for systems. If you think putting a single sine item of Software: 200,000,000 Kshs Only on a one page quotation will get past someone like me you will be surprised.
If you want 200million out of Nokia you had better justify,and justify very well how Nokia will get *value for their money*. See above some of what i suggested.
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 4:12 PM, maina martin <martinafrique@gmail.com>wrote:
charging millions is not the main issue its getting what u ought to get without being taken advatage of.
I ONCE qouted 50k for POS another firm qouted 120k and got it yet what I had was exact
this was 2005 later the pharmacist told me that no serious POS can cost that!!!!!
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later the pharmacist told me that no serious POS can cost that!!!!!
This right here is the problem. Two people selling the same product [functionally] and you decide that the cheaper one doesn't cut it even if it meets your requirements? -- Regards, Alex
The common business street quote is this: If you drive a mercedez then you have to pay the price [higher] of driving it <they assume that you are rich>... I dont know why this is, but its not very clever because you stand to lose alot of opportunities.... The other problem is this: 1) i have seen friends under-quote and regret 2) some companies claim to quote for "value" - seeing the success of Mpesa, the owners feel that they should charge properly incase the product goes to generate billions... But the second case is merely speculative - and the best way would be to come up with a good contract that charges the product in stages <of success>... * For example... If James Cameron's movie Avatar, had been a flop, is James Cameron entitled to ask the actors for a refund of the millions they were paid for acting ? Now that the movie is the highest grossing ever [on the way to USD 1.7b] are the actors entitled to ask for more pay because of their hardwork,,, or is it the hardwork of the marketers ?? * w/r Snn
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 1:09 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
In the defence of the kenyan entrepreneur, im i supposed to charge the same to do software for imelda as i am for nokia?
I thought so. Does it take less effort to do for Imelda than for Nokia Corp? :)
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Can u share some info about the project? 200M versus 2M is a very large difference. --- On Fri, 1/29/10, Imelda Mueni <mueni0@gmail.com> wrote: From: Imelda Mueni <mueni0@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Why are local ICT company so expensive to sub-contract from To: "Skunkworks Forum" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Date: Friday, January 29, 2010, 11:27 AM Honestly alvin they were quoting for the same thing , am looking at the documents On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote: They can't be quoting for the same thing.... My thots... On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Imelda Mueni <mueni0@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I was just talking to a friend who works at Nokia research company , was
asking them how come they sub-contract most of there
projects outside the country,,,,apparently they would love to work with
local upcoming companies here in kenya,
they had a project last year and they wanted to work with local companies ,
the quotes they were getting left them
shocked , some one was quoting for a mobile application 200m (and that's was
the range of the quotes),,,,yet the same project they were able to
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Pricing software is difficult. Some ancient methods for pricing include charging per line of code (very useless). There are many categories of software further making it difficult i.e. the mode of pricing for one category might not apply to another. The major cost factor in software dev is labour. Labour is tricky because one needs some years of real-world experience and sturdy in order to be in a position to make commercial grade software. There is a lot more to making software than writing code! Infact writing the code is the one of the simplest tasks. Universities all over the world find it difficult teach this. I've worked with a very skilled software developer from Cambridge and he was talking of arguments with a university professor. I've also worked on software made by graduates from one of India's most prestigious tech universities (forgot the name, but Pres. Bush had proposed that graduates from that university get Workvisas to the U.S), and I was a bit surprised. (Not that I'm so much better than them, but I didn't expect what I saw). The Kenyan company might have terribly overdone it. Such a price difference is basically the lack of experience and knowledge about the industry (local and international). If Nokia could get a company for 2M, then in the worse case the Kenyan company could have got a similar company at that price and added 200,000-300,000. But 200M is ... Let's not forget there are some successfull Kenyan software companies, and I've got reasonable quotations from a few of them. Let Nokia and others not judge them all based on the experience of a few. 8~) --- On Fri, 1/29/10, Imelda Mueni <mueni0@gmail.com> wrote: From: Imelda Mueni <mueni0@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Why are local ICT company so expensive to sub-contract from To: "Skunkworks Forum" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Date: Friday, January 29, 2010, 11:27 AM Honestly alvin they were quoting for the same thing , am looking at the documents On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote: They can't be quoting for the same thing.... My thots... On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Imelda Mueni <mueni0@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I was just talking to a friend who works at Nokia research company , was
asking them how come they sub-contract most of there
projects outside the country,,,,apparently they would love to work with
local upcoming companies here in kenya,
they had a project last year and they wanted to work with local companies ,
the quotes they were getting left them
shocked , some one was quoting for a mobile application 200m (and that's was
the range of the quotes),,,,yet the same project they were able to
sub-contract
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That's why, most of can never get so far with business. I think we don't have this thing of looking at volumes while engaging in business. @ Edward Kaduki Njaa ni mingi coz of the reason Imelda states as emanating from Nokia. How many more companies/organizations do you think see local companies in the same light as Nokia? -- With regards, Andrew Adongo +254 720 933 863 +254 770 424930
come on the gap is too big to be true ... 200m vs 2m... is this kind of a joke? On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Imelda Mueni <mueni0@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I was just talking to a friend who works at Nokia research company , was asking them how come they sub-contract most of there
projects outside the country,,,,apparently they would love to work with local upcoming companies here in kenya,
they had a project last year and they wanted to work with local companies , the quotes they were getting left them
shocked , some one was quoting for a mobile application 200m (and that's was the range of the quotes),,,,yet the same project they were able to sub-contract
from outside at 2m ..........are our local companies becoming greedy ?
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WOW !!! On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Paul Roy <roykoikai@gmail.com> wrote:
come on the gap is too big to be true ... 200m vs 2m... is this kind of a joke?
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Imelda Mueni <mueni0@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I was just talking to a friend who works at Nokia research company , was asking them how come they sub-contract most of there
projects outside the country,,,,apparently they would love to work with local upcoming companies here in kenya,
they had a project last year and they wanted to work with local companies , the quotes they were getting left them
shocked , some one was quoting for a mobile application 200m (and that's was the range of the quotes),,,,yet the same project they were able to sub-contract
from outside at 2m ..........are our local companies becoming greedy ?
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My point was no wonder multinational dont subcontract locally ....am sure some people who were interved are in these list they shld say somethg On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Paul Roy <roykoikai@gmail.com> wrote:
come on the gap is too big to be true ... 200m vs 2m... is this kind of a joke?
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Imelda Mueni <mueni0@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I was just talking to a friend who works at Nokia research company , was asking them how come they sub-contract most of there
projects outside the country,,,,apparently they would love to work with local upcoming companies here in kenya,
they had a project last year and they wanted to work with local companies , the quotes they were getting left them
shocked , some one was quoting for a mobile application 200m (and that's was the range of the quotes),,,,yet the same project they were able to sub-contract
from outside at 2m ..........are our local companies becoming greedy ?
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Well, India, Pakistan etc is much much much cheaper than local. In the past outsourced some work there via rentacoder.com On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Paul Roy <roykoikai@gmail.com> wrote:
come on the gap is too big to be true ... 200m vs 2m... is this kind of a joke?
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Imelda Mueni <mueni0@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I was just talking to a friend who works at Nokia research company , was asking them how come they sub-contract most of there
projects outside the country,,,,apparently they would love to work with local upcoming companies here in kenya,
they had a project last year and they wanted to work with local companies , the quotes they were getting left them
shocked , some one was quoting for a mobile application 200m (and that's was the range of the quotes),,,,yet the same project they were able to sub-contract
from outside at 2m ..........are our local companies becoming greedy ?
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