Let me ask a philosophical question here; Are you ready to kill a man? Are you ready to take a man's life because of some property? If not, then the gun is basically being used as a bargaining chip, and you don't need ammo, which calls into question the very purpose of the ammo and the gun... OK, I've been reading up too much on game theory... signing out.... On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Lenchipai Nakodony <lenchi@inbox.com>wrote:
In relation to the current sad events most of us skunkworks have had to hear or face (Crystal, we are very sorry), I'd like to know if there is any skunk works with information on how one can acquire firearms in kenya LEGALLY. I've lost a lot of money to thugs(a lot meaning A LOT). Many of us have also lost the same type of people. Anyone with the info on how to obtain one LEGALLY, share it with the skunkers. We would highly appriciate
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The process quiet long, I think. You need to get a certificate of good conduct from the CID, then NSIS vets you, before sending you over to the Central Firearms Bureau for the firearm. I think a medical practioner must give an opinion, too. I am unsure whether your local chief should say he knows you as a law abiding citizen! On 18/06/2009, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
Let me ask a philosophical question here;
Are you ready to kill a man? Are you ready to take a man's life because of some property?
If not, then the gun is basically being used as a bargaining chip, and you don't need ammo, which calls into question the very purpose of the ammo and the gun...
OK, I've been reading up too much on game theory... signing out....
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Lenchipai Nakodony <lenchi@inbox.com>wrote:
In relation to the current sad events most of us skunkworks have had to hear or face (Crystal, we are very sorry), I'd like to know if there is any skunk works with information on how one can acquire firearms in kenya LEGALLY. I've lost a lot of money to thugs(a lot meaning A LOT). Many of us have also lost the same type of people. Anyone with the info on how to obtain one LEGALLY, share it with the skunkers. We would highly appriciate
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The process quiet long, I think. You need to get a certificate of good conduct from the CID, then NSIS vets you, before sending you over to the Central Firearms Bureau for the firearm. I think a medical practioner must give an opinion, too. I am unsure whether your local chief should say he knows you as a law abiding citizen! On 18/06/2009, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
The process quiet long, I think. You need to get a certificate of good conduct from the CID, then NSIS vets you, before sending you over to the Central Firearms Bureau for the firearm. I think a medical practioner must give an opinion, too. I am unsure whether your local chief should say he knows you as a law abiding citizen!
On 18/06/2009, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
Let me ask a philosophical question here;
Are you ready to kill a man? Are you ready to take a man's life because of some property?
If not, then the gun is basically being used as a bargaining chip, and you don't need ammo, which calls into question the very purpose of the ammo and the gun...
OK, I've been reading up too much on game theory... signing out....
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Lenchipai Nakodony <lenchi@inbox.com>wrote:
In relation to the current sad events most of us skunkworks have had to hear or face (Crystal, we are very sorry), I'd like to know if there is any skunk works with information on how one can acquire firearms in kenya LEGALLY. I've lost a lot of money to thugs(a lot meaning A LOT). Many of us have also lost the same type of people. Anyone with the info on how to obtain one LEGALLY, share it with the skunkers. We would highly appriciate
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Thank you Solomon Lenchipai Nakodony Suntel(K) Ltd Skype me:lenchiiz "Idealism is what precedes experience"
-----Original Message----- From: solo.mburu@gmail.com Sent: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 11:44:13 -0300 To: skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] PURCAHSING LEGAL FIRE ARMS IN KENYA
The process quiet long, I think. You need to get a certificate of good conduct from the CID, then NSIS vets you, before sending you over to the Central Firearms Bureau for the firearm. I think a medical practioner must give an opinion, too. I am unsure whether your local chief should say he knows you as a law abiding citizen!
On 18/06/2009, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
Let me ask a philosophical question here;
Are you ready to kill a man? Are you ready to take a man's life because of some property?
If not, then the gun is basically being used as a bargaining chip, and you don't need ammo, which calls into question the very purpose of the ammo and the gun...
OK, I've been reading up too much on game theory... signing out....
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Lenchipai Nakodony <lenchi@inbox.com>wrote:
In relation to the current sad events most of us skunkworks have had to hear or face (Crystal, we are very sorry), I'd like to know if there is any skunk works with information on how one can acquire firearms in kenya LEGALLY. I've lost a lot of money to thugs(a lot meaning A LOT). Many of us have also lost the same type of people. Anyone with the info on how to obtain one LEGALLY, share it with the skunkers. We would highly appriciate
Lenchipai Nakodony Suntel(K) Ltd Skype me:lenchiiz "Idealism is what precedes experience"
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I do not advocate citizen carrying firearms. May be I am just anti-gun. But on another note, may be it is not a bad idea to issue every Kenyan with a gun. The ensuing loss of live (for both thugs and innocent bystanders) is collateral and may be the cost the Nation needs to pay to have a safe and secure society. And then come 2012 it is all hell break loose if the election results are delayed by even an hour. On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
The process quiet long, I think. You need to get a certificate of good conduct from the CID, then NSIS vets you, before sending you over to the Central Firearms Bureau for the firearm. I think a medical practioner must give an opinion, too. I am unsure whether your local chief should say he knows you as a law abiding citizen!
On 18/06/2009, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
Let me ask a philosophical question here;
Are you ready to kill a man? Are you ready to take a man's life because of some property?
If not, then the gun is basically being used as a bargaining chip, and you don't need ammo, which calls into question the very purpose of the ammo and the gun...
OK, I've been reading up too much on game theory... signing out....
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Lenchipai Nakodony <lenchi@inbox.com wrote:
In relation to the current sad events most of us skunkworks have had to hear or face (Crystal, we are very sorry), I'd like to know if there is any skunk works with information on how one can acquire firearms in kenya LEGALLY. I've lost a lot of money to thugs(a lot meaning A LOT). Many of us have also lost the same type of people. Anyone with the info on how to obtain one LEGALLY, share it with the skunkers. We would highly appriciate
Lenchipai Nakodony Suntel(K) Ltd Skype me:lenchiiz "Idealism is what precedes experience"
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The intention of having a firearm is for protection anself defense. Their are very many people in kenya with guns, but that is because they either afford the license or they have been issued to them by the govt. So saying that 'everyone to own a gun and use it next election' is not really possible...
-----Original Message----- From: pmusyoki@gmail.com Sent: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 18:18:08 +0300 To: skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] PURCAHSING LEGAL FIRE ARMS IN KENYA
I do not advocate citizen carrying firearms. May be I am just anti-gun.
But on another note, may be it is not a bad idea to issue every Kenyan with a gun. The ensuing loss of live (for both thugs and innocent bystanders) is collateral and may be the cost the Nation needs to pay to have a safe and secure society. And then come 2012 it is all hell break loose if the election results are delayed by even an hour.
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
The process quiet long, I think. You need to get a certificate of good conduct from the CID, then NSIS vets you, before sending you over to the Central Firearms Bureau for the firearm. I think a medical practioner must give an opinion, too. I am unsure whether your local chief should say he knows you as a law abiding citizen!
On 18/06/2009, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
Let me ask a philosophical question here;
Are you ready to kill a man? Are you ready to take a man's life because of some property?
If not, then the gun is basically being used as a bargaining chip, and you don't need ammo, which calls into question the very purpose of the ammo and the gun...
OK, I've been reading up too much on game theory... signing out....
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Lenchipai Nakodony <lenchi@inbox.com wrote:
In relation to the current sad events most of us skunkworks have had to hear or face (Crystal, we are very sorry), I'd like to know if there is any skunk works with information on how one can acquire firearms in kenya LEGALLY. I've lost a lot of money to thugs(a lot meaning A LOT). Many of us have also lost the same type of people. Anyone with the info on how to obtain one LEGALLY, share it with the skunkers. We would highly appriciate
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I think we need to address the root cause of evil (crime) in Kenya and see what other ways other than encouraging gun ownership that we can reduce crime. You know Kenya, and the system of issuing fire arms is very easily open to abuse, and that's the point I was making exactly. Haven't you heard about the same people who have been issued guns by the Government renting them out to criminals? The one about the election was just a joke. On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Lenchipai Nakodony <lenchi@inbox.com>wrote:
The intention of having a firearm is for protection anself defense. Their are very many people in kenya with guns, but that is because they either afford the license or they have been issued to them by the govt. So saying that 'everyone to own a gun and use it next election' is not really possible...
-----Original Message----- From: pmusyoki@gmail.com Sent: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 18:18:08 +0300 To: skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] PURCAHSING LEGAL FIRE ARMS IN KENYA
I do not advocate citizen carrying firearms. May be I am just anti-gun.
But on another note, may be it is not a bad idea to issue every Kenyan with a gun. The ensuing loss of live (for both thugs and innocent bystanders) is collateral and may be the cost the Nation needs to pay to have a safe and secure society. And then come 2012 it is all hell break loose if the election results are delayed by even an hour.
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
The process quiet long, I think. You need to get a certificate of good conduct from the CID, then NSIS vets you, before sending you over to the Central Firearms Bureau for the firearm. I think a medical practioner must give an opinion, too. I am unsure whether your local chief should say he knows you as a law abiding citizen!
On 18/06/2009, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
Let me ask a philosophical question here;
Are you ready to kill a man? Are you ready to take a man's life because of some property?
If not, then the gun is basically being used as a bargaining chip, and you don't need ammo, which calls into question the very purpose of the ammo and the gun...
OK, I've been reading up too much on game theory... signing out....
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Lenchipai Nakodony <lenchi@inbox.com wrote:
In relation to the current sad events most of us skunkworks have had to hear or face (Crystal, we are very sorry), I'd like to know if there is any skunk works with information on how one can acquire firearms in kenya LEGALLY. I've lost a lot of money to thugs(a lot meaning A LOT). Many of us have also lost the same type of people. Anyone with the info on how to obtain one LEGALLY, share it with the skunkers. We would highly appriciate
Lenchipai Nakodony Suntel(K) Ltd Skype me:lenchiiz "Idealism is what precedes experience"
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I worked for some time in Uganda some years back where firearms are allowed to citizens and I was especially struck by how safe it was. You could walk around at 2 in the morning in Kampala with your laptop and phone in peace. Given that the thugs in Kenya have guns anyway, what's the sense in prohibiting the rest of us?
Ok, Now figure out a guy in the club carrying a gun Drunk as hell see his chick saying hi to the bouncer , bang bang !#%$@# ... Now thats why we are afraid of them guns... 2009/6/18 Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com>
I worked for some time in Uganda some years back where firearms are allowed to citizens and I was especially struck by how safe it was. You could walk around at 2 in the morning in Kampala with your laptop and phone in peace.
Given that the thugs in Kenya have guns anyway, what's the sense in prohibiting the rest of us?
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Me thinks we should all have access to guns(and bullet proof vests). That wil bring discipline coz a thug wont tell how well u can take him in the first place. Basically, noone will risk striking first. On 6/18/09, Watson Kambo <wkwats@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok, Now figure out a guy in the club carrying a gun Drunk as hell see his chick saying hi to the bouncer , bang bang !#%$@# ... Now thats why we are afraid of them guns...
2009/6/18 Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com>
I worked for some time in Uganda some years back where firearms are allowed to citizens and I was especially struck by how safe it was. You could walk around at 2 in the morning in Kampala with your laptop and phone in peace.
Given that the thugs in Kenya have guns anyway, what's the sense in prohibiting the rest of us?
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On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Tech List Kenya <techlistkenya@gmail.com> wrote:
Me thinks we should all have access to guns(and bullet proof vests).
Bad idea. We'll only succeed in killing ourselves in droves. Look for ways of sorting out out the root of the problem, not the symptoms. BR, S
what is the root problem of crime? crime is crime! On 6/18/09, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Tech List Kenya <techlistkenya@gmail.com> wrote:
Me thinks we should all have access to guns(and bullet proof vests).
Bad idea. We'll only succeed in killing ourselves in droves.
Look for ways of sorting out out the root of the problem, not the symptoms.
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i too think this process should be made easier, gun are all over but in the wrong hands, so as long as you can prove to be capable of taking and handling one with the care that it deserves, then you should access one. Am sick and tired of these guy who wait for you to sweat yourself all the way then they come taking it like there was an agreement....!!!These guys need to be put where they deserve, 6ft UNDER!! If you've there you know what it means..... -- Regards Mathu http://sojjar.blogspot.com
I'm taking a pacifist's stand. No one should be armed. I don't think it's just to take someones life because he wants your property. Grievous bodily harm is also not right. What people forget is that violence only begets violence. Allow me to propose something. Thugs don't want to kill you for it causes deeper investigation. The thug is willing to kill you to get to your property, and it's normally more than one. If you choose to shoot at one, or are found with a gun, you die. So it increases your risk of death while it reduces your risk of getting robbed. Criminals do not like any gunfire as it raises alarm, messes up the operation and thereby increasing risk while reducing return. Simply put, a gun is only useful against one thug and there rarely is only one thug. Any other case and you are increasing risk to self. Further from this, you have the problem of escalation. How many traffic police have been shot dead on site in a robbery? Few. Why? They don't pose a security threat. If all citizens get guns, then all the thugs will do is shoot on sight. You have to realise that some thugs rob armoured vehicles with armed police, what is a vigilante with a hand gun to them? Contrast Britain and Japan, which have stringent arms control to the US and Mexico which are more lax? Or Somalia? At the end of the day, our laws should aim to decrease use of force. Have you ever thought about the rationale of arming a Police Officer? This is only one side, but you are basically buying arms with citizens money <Tax money> to kill or maim one of those very citizens. You cannot claim that because he stole he does not pay taxes. He is stealing to use the money in the economy so he pays VAT off his stolen loot? Anyway, this is off-topic. I rest here. On 6/18/09, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
what is the root problem of crime? crime is crime!
On 6/18/09, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Tech List Kenya <techlistkenya@gmail.com> wrote:
Me thinks we should all have access to guns(and bullet proof vests).
Bad idea. We'll only succeed in killing ourselves in droves.
Look for ways of sorting out out the root of the problem, not the symptoms.
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I agree totally. The point I was trying to make. What we need to do is have better ways of law enforcement and crime would be a thing of the past. On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm taking a pacifist's stand. No one should be armed. I don't think it's just to take someones life because he wants your property. Grievous bodily harm is also not right. What people forget is that violence only begets violence.
Allow me to propose something. Thugs don't want to kill you for it causes deeper investigation. The thug is willing to kill you to get to your property, and it's normally more than one. If you choose to shoot at one, or are found with a gun, you die. So it increases your risk of death while it reduces your risk of getting robbed. Criminals do not like any gunfire as it raises alarm, messes up the operation and thereby increasing risk while reducing return. Simply put, a gun is only useful against one thug and there rarely is only one thug. Any other case and you are increasing risk to self. Further from this, you have the problem of escalation. How many traffic police have been shot dead on site in a robbery? Few. Why? They don't pose a security threat. If all citizens get guns, then all the thugs will do is shoot on sight. You have to realise that some thugs rob armoured vehicles with armed police, what is a vigilante with a hand gun to them?
Contrast Britain and Japan, which have stringent arms control to the US and Mexico which are more lax? Or Somalia? At the end of the day, our laws should aim to decrease use of force. Have you ever thought about the rationale of arming a Police Officer? This is only one side, but you are basically buying arms with citizens money <Tax money> to kill or maim one of those very citizens. You cannot claim that because he stole he does not pay taxes. He is stealing to use the money in the economy so he pays VAT off his stolen loot?
Anyway, this is off-topic. I rest here.
On 6/18/09, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
what is the root problem of crime? crime is crime!
On 6/18/09, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Tech List Kenya <techlistkenya@gmail.com> wrote:
Me thinks we should all have access to guns(and bullet proof vests).
Bad idea. We'll only succeed in killing ourselves in droves.
Look for ways of sorting out out the root of the problem, not the symptoms.
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It is a National heritage. From the founding father(of all thieves), our firts president who stole land from all of us to the civil servant who steals from the government coffers. I am afraid that we may have more thieves than non-thieves in Kanya. Only problem with stealing is that you never enjoy your loot. the lord makes sure it is enjoyed by people who never worked for it, like your son, wife etc. thieves are always in fear of been caught, and keep planning on how to get caught. most thieves die young or are caught; in short,it is a profession where you don't enjoy the fruits. 2009/6/19 Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com>
I agree totally. The point I was trying to make. What we need to do is have better ways of law enforcement and crime would be a thing of the past.
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>wrote:
I'm taking a pacifist's stand. No one should be armed. I don't think it's just to take someones life because he wants your property. Grievous bodily harm is also not right. What people forget is that violence only begets violence.
Allow me to propose something. Thugs don't want to kill you for it causes deeper investigation. The thug is willing to kill you to get to your property, and it's normally more than one. If you choose to shoot at one, or are found with a gun, you die. So it increases your risk of death while it reduces your risk of getting robbed. Criminals do not like any gunfire as it raises alarm, messes up the operation and thereby increasing risk while reducing return. Simply put, a gun is only useful against one thug and there rarely is only one thug. Any other case and you are increasing risk to self. Further from this, you have the problem of escalation. How many traffic police have been shot dead on site in a robbery? Few. Why? They don't pose a security threat. If all citizens get guns, then all the thugs will do is shoot on sight. You have to realise that some thugs rob armoured vehicles with armed police, what is a vigilante with a hand gun to them?
Contrast Britain and Japan, which have stringent arms control to the US and Mexico which are more lax? Or Somalia? At the end of the day, our laws should aim to decrease use of force. Have you ever thought about the rationale of arming a Police Officer? This is only one side, but you are basically buying arms with citizens money <Tax money> to kill or maim one of those very citizens. You cannot claim that because he stole he does not pay taxes. He is stealing to use the money in the economy so he pays VAT off his stolen loot?
Anyway, this is off-topic. I rest here.
On 6/18/09, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
what is the root problem of crime? crime is crime!
On 6/18/09, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Tech List Kenya <techlistkenya@gmail.com> wrote:
Me thinks we should all have access to guns(and bullet proof vests).
Bad idea. We'll only succeed in killing ourselves in droves.
Look for ways of sorting out out the root of the problem, not the symptoms.
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I once read a book 'My Life in Crime' written by one John Kiriamiti. I am told he is still alive. So of thieves dying young, I am not sure. And where is Munyu Bar? On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
It is a National heritage. From the founding father(of all thieves), our firts president who stole land from all of us to the civil servant who steals from the government coffers. I am afraid that we may have more thieves than non-thieves in Kanya.
Only problem with stealing is that you never enjoy your loot. the lord makes sure it is enjoyed by people who never worked for it, like your son, wife etc. thieves are always in fear of been caught, and keep planning on how to get caught.
most thieves die young or are caught; in short,it is a profession where you don't enjoy the fruits.
2009/6/19 Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com>
I agree totally. The point I was trying to make. What we need to do is have
better ways of law enforcement and crime would be a thing of the past.
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>wrote:
I'm taking a pacifist's stand. No one should be armed. I don't think it's just to take someones life because he wants your property. Grievous bodily harm is also not right. What people forget is that violence only begets violence.
Allow me to propose something. Thugs don't want to kill you for it causes deeper investigation. The thug is willing to kill you to get to your property, and it's normally more than one. If you choose to shoot at one, or are found with a gun, you die. So it increases your risk of death while it reduces your risk of getting robbed. Criminals do not like any gunfire as it raises alarm, messes up the operation and thereby increasing risk while reducing return. Simply put, a gun is only useful against one thug and there rarely is only one thug. Any other case and you are increasing risk to self. Further from this, you have the problem of escalation. How many traffic police have been shot dead on site in a robbery? Few. Why? They don't pose a security threat. If all citizens get guns, then all the thugs will do is shoot on sight. You have to realise that some thugs rob armoured vehicles with armed police, what is a vigilante with a hand gun to them?
Contrast Britain and Japan, which have stringent arms control to the US and Mexico which are more lax? Or Somalia? At the end of the day, our laws should aim to decrease use of force. Have you ever thought about the rationale of arming a Police Officer? This is only one side, but you are basically buying arms with citizens money <Tax money> to kill or maim one of those very citizens. You cannot claim that because he stole he does not pay taxes. He is stealing to use the money in the economy so he pays VAT off his stolen loot?
Anyway, this is off-topic. I rest here.
On 6/18/09, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
what is the root problem of crime? crime is crime!
On 6/18/09, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Tech List Kenya <techlistkenya@gmail.com> wrote:
Me thinks we should all have access to guns(and bullet proof vests).
Bad idea. We'll only succeed in killing ourselves in droves.
Look for ways of sorting out out the root of the problem, not the symptoms.
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I said most, but notice that he went to jail: if(person==thief) { die young(); } else { go_to_jail(); } else { lucky_sob!(); } 2009/6/19 Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com>
I once read a book 'My Life in Crime' written by one John Kiriamiti. I am told he is still alive. So of thieves dying young, I am not sure. And where is Munyu Bar?
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
It is a National heritage. From the founding father(of all thieves), our firts president who stole land from all of us to the civil servant who steals from the government coffers. I am afraid that we may have more thieves than non-thieves in Kanya.
Only problem with stealing is that you never enjoy your loot. the lord makes sure it is enjoyed by people who never worked for it, like your son, wife etc. thieves are always in fear of been caught, and keep planning on how to get caught.
most thieves die young or are caught; in short,it is a profession where you don't enjoy the fruits.
2009/6/19 Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com>
I agree totally. The point I was trying to make. What we need to do is
have better ways of law enforcement and crime would be a thing of the past.
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>wrote:
I'm taking a pacifist's stand. No one should be armed. I don't think it's just to take someones life because he wants your property. Grievous bodily harm is also not right. What people forget is that violence only begets violence.
Allow me to propose something. Thugs don't want to kill you for it causes deeper investigation. The thug is willing to kill you to get to your property, and it's normally more than one. If you choose to shoot at one, or are found with a gun, you die. So it increases your risk of death while it reduces your risk of getting robbed. Criminals do not like any gunfire as it raises alarm, messes up the operation and thereby increasing risk while reducing return. Simply put, a gun is only useful against one thug and there rarely is only one thug. Any other case and you are increasing risk to self. Further from this, you have the problem of escalation. How many traffic police have been shot dead on site in a robbery? Few. Why? They don't pose a security threat. If all citizens get guns, then all the thugs will do is shoot on sight. You have to realise that some thugs rob armoured vehicles with armed police, what is a vigilante with a hand gun to them?
Contrast Britain and Japan, which have stringent arms control to the US and Mexico which are more lax? Or Somalia? At the end of the day, our laws should aim to decrease use of force. Have you ever thought about the rationale of arming a Police Officer? This is only one side, but you are basically buying arms with citizens money <Tax money> to kill or maim one of those very citizens. You cannot claim that because he stole he does not pay taxes. He is stealing to use the money in the economy so he pays VAT off his stolen loot?
Anyway, this is off-topic. I rest here.
On 6/18/09, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
what is the root problem of crime? crime is crime!
On 6/18/09, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Tech List Kenya <techlistkenya@gmail.com> wrote: > > Me thinks we should all have access to guns(and bullet proof vests).
Bad idea. We'll only succeed in killing ourselves in droves.
Look for ways of sorting out out the root of the problem, not the symptoms.
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Hi All, Suppose you succeed to get a gun, get thugged and in the process the gun is used on you, your family or friends... Suppose you learn Karate, KungFu and/or any other self defense methods... Suppose you carry a pepper spray(My sister does)... Suppose you comply with the thugs' wishes.... Suppose you practice safety and be disciplined... Suppose....
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Clement Ongera <cnongera@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All, Suppose you succeed to get a gun, get thugged and in the process the gun is used on you, your family or friends... Suppose you learn Karate, KungFu and/or any other self defense methods... Suppose you carry a pepper spray(My sister does)... Suppose you comply with the thugs' wishes.... Suppose you practice safety and be disciplined... Suppose....
I would advocate for "no firearms" and even for their withdrawal from the good guys as well like in the UK. But unfortunately Clement, thieves out there are not as `professional` as we suppose them to be. While they're mugging you they'll take what they came for and then proceed to beat you up senseless or rape inspite of your co-operation. Now what was that for .. really. It is for that reason that I understand why some people feel the general public should be empowered to defend themselves. While we advocate for "no firearms" let us also remember that not every thug has the same sober temperament like us. -- Ndungi Kyalo
Just putting this out there since most of you seem not to be in the know Pepper spray is illegal in Kenya. On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Ndungi Kyalo <ndungi@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Clement Ongera <cnongera@gmail.com>wrote:
Hi All, Suppose you succeed to get a gun, get thugged and in the process the gun is used on you, your family or friends... Suppose you learn Karate, KungFu and/or any other self defense methods... Suppose you carry a pepper spray(My sister does)... Suppose you comply with the thugs' wishes.... Suppose you practice safety and be disciplined... Suppose....
I would advocate for "no firearms" and even for their withdrawal from the good guys as well like in the UK. But unfortunately Clement, thieves out there are not as `professional` as we suppose them to be. While they're mugging you they'll take what they came for and then proceed to beat you up senseless or rape inspite of your co-operation. Now what was that for .. really. It is for that reason that I understand why some people feel the general public should be empowered to defend themselves. While we advocate for "no firearms" let us also remember that not every thug has the same sober temperament like us.
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Hi Shiro, Please enlighten me because I know a bunch of people who openly(I know one who carries it (like they way you have a phone pocket) on his hip) carry pepper spray, my sister(on her bag) being one.
I don't have documented evidence but a pal of mine with police connections told me so when i was ranting and raving about how i need to get some since am tired of being confronted by strange men. apparently ur not supposed to carry any object that is intended for and can cause grievous bodily harm pepper spray apparently requires a permit just like a firearm let me get the full info then get back to you On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Clement Ongera <cnongera@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Shiro,
Please enlighten me because I know a bunch of people who openly(I know one who carries it (like they way you have a phone pocket) on his hip) carry pepper spray, my sister(on her bag) being one. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Skunkworks announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Shiro Njagi <sheeroh@gmail.com> wrote: <snip>
pepper spray apparently requires a permit just like a firearm
OMG!! What about the nyahunyo in my car for whipping parking boys? (for the sake of our international audience, that's a whip made out of old tyre rubber. Version 2 includes tiny nails embedded).
let me get the full info then get back to you
While you're at it, please inquire about carrying rungus under the car seat as well (wooden club, like the ones with the Slag brothers in Wacky races) Also about keeping bows and arrows in the house. BR, S
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Shiro Njagi <sheeroh@gmail.com> wrote:
Just putting this out there since most of you seem not to be in the know Pepper spray is illegal in Kenya.
Under which law, Shiro? I have one spray in my house, which is actually classified as "military equipment". I am not sure it's pepper but will make someone cough so badly for hours they'll not be able to hide!!! Now, according to any law that I know of, I haven't found that being classified as an "offensive weapon" or "fire arm", but well, please quote the law you are referring to. I'd like to be on the safe side of the law. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
@ Wash, if Kiraithe reads this then we wait for something like these on the prime time news: 'My mboys apprehended a suspected suspect spledin malicious ndamage thlu intanet. The investighashion are ongoing.' Then we see you hiding your face with a sweater. On top of the table, the evidence! On 19/06/2009, Odhiambo ワシントン <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Shiro Njagi <sheeroh@gmail.com> wrote:
Just putting this out there since most of you seem not to be in the know Pepper spray is illegal in Kenya.
Under which law, Shiro? I have one spray in my house, which is actually classified as "military equipment". I am not sure it's pepper but will make someone cough so badly for hours they'll not be able to hide!!! Now, according to any law that I know of, I haven't found that being classified as an "offensive weapon" or "fire arm", but well, please quote the law you are referring to. I'd like to be on the safe side of the law.
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On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Shiro Njagi <sheeroh@gmail.com> wrote:
Just putting this out there since most of you seem not to be in the know Pepper spray is illegal in Kenya.
Under which law, Shiro?
<quote> "firearm" means a lethal barrelled weapon of any description from which any shot, bullet or other missile can be discharged or which can be adapted for the discharge of any shot, bullet or other missile and includes - (*a*) a weapon of any description designed or intended to discharge - (i) any noxious liquid, noxious gas or other noxious substance; or (ii) an electrical charge which when it strikes any person or animal is of sufficient strength to stun and temporarily disable the person or animal struck (such weapon being commonly known as a "stun gun" or "electronic paralyser"); </quote> http://www.kenyalaw.org/kenyalaw/klr_app/view_content.php?ContentHistoryID=7...
Thanks Brian... I figure pepper spray falls under the second category 2009/6/22 Brian Muita <bmuita+skunkworks@gmail.com<bmuita%2Bskunkworks@gmail.com>
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On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Shiro Njagi <sheeroh@gmail.com> wrote:
Just putting this out there since most of you seem not to be in the know Pepper spray is illegal in Kenya.
Under which law, Shiro?
<quote>
"firearm" means a lethal barrelled weapon of any description from which any shot, bullet or other missile can be discharged or which can be adapted for the discharge of any shot, bullet or other missile and includes -
(*a*) a weapon of any description designed or intended to discharge -
(i) any noxious liquid, noxious gas or other noxious substance; or
(ii) an electrical charge which when it strikes any person or animal is of sufficient strength to stun and temporarily disable the person or animal struck (such weapon being commonly known as a "stun gun" or "electronic paralyser");
</quote>
http://www.kenyalaw.org/kenyalaw/klr_app/view_content.php?ContentHistoryID=7...
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Thanks Brian... I figure pepper spray falls under the second category
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On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Shiro Njagi <sheeroh@gmail.com> wrote:
Just putting this out there since most of you seem not to be in the know Pepper spray is illegal in Kenya.
Under which law, Shiro?
<quote>
"firearm" means a lethal barrelled weapon of any description from which any shot, bullet or other missile can be discharged or which can be adapted for the discharge of any shot, bullet or other missile and includes -
(*a*) a weapon of any description designed or intended to discharge -
(i) any noxious liquid, noxious gas or other noxious substance; or
(ii) an electrical charge which when it strikes any person or animal is of sufficient strength to stun and temporarily disable the person or animal struck (such weapon being commonly known as a "stun gun" or "electronic paralyser");
</quote>
http://www.kenyalaw.org/kenyalaw/klr_app/view_content.php?ContentHistoryID=7...
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On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Shiro Njagi <sheeroh@gmail.com> wrote:
Just putting this out there since most of you seem not to be in the know Pepper spray is illegal in Kenya.
Under which law, Shiro?
<quote>
"firearm" means a lethal barrelled weapon of any description from which any shot, bullet or other missile can be discharged or which can be adapted for the discharge of any shot, bullet or other missile and includes -
(*a*) a weapon of any description designed or intended to discharge -
(i) any noxious liquid, noxious gas or other noxious substance; or
Yayi!! So there goes the pepper spray, but heck! the police don't protect us that much. So do I need a license to "be armed with a pepper spray"? :) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
Quick question, Isn't the real question why there are so many armed thugs? If there is more than one thug, isn't a pepper spray a liability? I know I'm being a pacifist here, but, when thugs go after an armoured car, they have the whole shebang, AK 47's etc. If we decide to protect ourselves against that, what will be be using, grenades? Use a pepper spray to protect yourself against a thug, he'll evolve, carry a knife, you carry a knife, he gets a gun, you get a gun, he gets a machine gun, you get a machine gun, he get's a bazooka. There is no end to this, we are going back to the old days when everyone used to carry a weapon (machete, fimbo, pepper spray, pistol, all in the same category). Shouldn't a civilized society be moving towards civil disarmament and not vice versa? It's simpler to think of the here and now, instincts of self protection etc. However, we have seen from the "necklace" days (thugs used to be burnt as a routine matter), that violence doesn't help. The thugs got guns, and now shoot you. You get gun's they'll get bigger guns. At the end of the day, if someone really want's your property, he'll get it. What we should aim for is a society where the urge to rob is minimised. I've stopped preaching. 2009/6/22 Odhiambo ワシントン <odhiambo@gmail.com>
2009/6/22 Brian Muita <bmuita+skunkworks@gmail.com<bmuita%2Bskunkworks@gmail.com>
2009/6/19 Odhiambo ワシントン <odhiambo@gmail.com>
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Shiro Njagi <sheeroh@gmail.com> wrote:
Just putting this out there since most of you seem not to be in the know Pepper spray is illegal in Kenya.
Under which law, Shiro?
<quote>
"firearm" means a lethal barrelled weapon of any description from which any shot, bullet or other missile can be discharged or which can be adapted for the discharge of any shot, bullet or other missile and includes -
(*a*) a weapon of any description designed or intended to discharge -
(i) any noxious liquid, noxious gas or other noxious substance; or
Yayi!! So there goes the pepper spray, but heck! the police don't protect us that much. So do I need a license to "be armed with a pepper spray"? :)
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While I'm not in anyway advocating for slapping your brother if he slaps you or fold your arms when slapped, I think Phares has a point. Thugs, just like Darwin's theory, evolve. If we all chose to carry G3s the fellow would carry something more sophisticated, and we always look for someone to blame. In our case, the whole blame goes to Police, bad laws, corruption and the new kid to blame, the Somali instability. The only solution to combat crime, lies in seeking alternative ways of dealing with criminals other than fire back, if confronted. Avoiding crime-prone areas is one thing, but an area becomes crime prone once we become victims. Kenya is becoming a crime prone land of 582,000 sq. km because of corruption, which is abated by state agents (my assumption) thus making everybody outside Africa, think Kenya is a province in Somalia. Since criminals have their minds set on doing a crime, and thy always time themselves, then it is for you - a 'normal' person - to cooperate and pray hard, that all does not lead to loss of life. Crime begets crime Revenge begets revenge My opinion 2009/6/22 Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>
Quick question,
Isn't the real question why there are so many armed thugs? If there is more than one thug, isn't a pepper spray a liability? I know I'm being a pacifist here, but, when thugs go after an armoured car, they have the whole shebang, AK 47's etc. If we decide to protect ourselves against that, what will be be using, grenades? Use a pepper spray to protect yourself against a thug, he'll evolve, carry a knife, you carry a knife, he gets a gun, you get a gun, he gets a machine gun, you get a machine gun, he get's a bazooka. There is no end to this, we are going back to the old days when everyone used to carry a weapon (machete, fimbo, pepper spray, pistol, all in the same category). Shouldn't a civilized society be moving towards civil disarmament and not vice versa?
It's simpler to think of the here and now, instincts of self protection etc. However, we have seen from the "necklace" days (thugs used to be burnt as a routine matter), that violence doesn't help. The thugs got guns, and now shoot you. You get gun's they'll get bigger guns. At the end of the day, if someone really want's your property, he'll get it. What we should aim for is a society where the urge to rob is minimised.
I've stopped preaching.
2009/6/22 Odhiambo ワシントン <odhiambo@gmail.com>
2009/6/22 Brian Muita <bmuita+skunkworks@gmail.com<bmuita%2Bskunkworks@gmail.com>
2009/6/19 Odhiambo ワシントン <odhiambo@gmail.com>
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Shiro Njagi <sheeroh@gmail.com> wrote:
Just putting this out there since most of you seem not to be in the know Pepper spray is illegal in Kenya.
Under which law, Shiro?
<quote>
"firearm" means a lethal barrelled weapon of any description from which any shot, bullet or other missile can be discharged or which can be adapted for the discharge of any shot, bullet or other missile and includes -
(*a*) a weapon of any description designed or intended to discharge -
(i) any noxious liquid, noxious gas or other noxious substance; or
Yayi!! So there goes the pepper spray, but heck! the police don't protect us that much. So do I need a license to "be armed with a pepper spray"? :)
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
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Ecclesiastes 8:11 (NIV) states: When the sentence for a crime is not quickly carried out, the hearts of the people are filled with schemes to do wrong. ____________________ Have we not seen this in Kenya? 2009/6/22 Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>
Quick question,
Isn't the real question why there are so many armed thugs? If there is more than one thug, isn't a pepper spray a liability? I know I'm being a pacifist here, but, when thugs go after an armoured car, they have the whole shebang, AK 47's etc. If we decide to protect ourselves against that, what will be be using, grenades? Use a pepper spray to protect yourself against a thug, he'll evolve, carry a knife, you carry a knife, he gets a gun, you get a gun, he gets a machine gun, you get a machine gun, he get's a bazooka. There is no end to this, we are going back to the old days when everyone used to carry a weapon (machete, fimbo, pepper spray, pistol, all in the same category). Shouldn't a civilized society be moving towards civil disarmament and not vice versa?
It's simpler to think of the here and now, instincts of self protection etc. However, we have seen from the "necklace" days (thugs used to be burnt as a routine matter), that violence doesn't help. The thugs got guns, and now shoot you. You get gun's they'll get bigger guns. At the end of the day, if someone really want's your property, he'll get it. What we should aim for is a society where the urge to rob is minimised.
I've stopped preaching.
2009/6/22 Odhiambo ワシントン <odhiambo@gmail.com>
2009/6/22 Brian Muita <bmuita+skunkworks@gmail.com<bmuita%2Bskunkworks@gmail.com>
2009/6/19 Odhiambo ワシントン <odhiambo@gmail.com>
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Shiro Njagi <sheeroh@gmail.com> wrote:
Just putting this out there since most of you seem not to be in the know Pepper spray is illegal in Kenya.
Under which law, Shiro?
<quote>
"firearm" means a lethal barrelled weapon of any description from which any shot, bullet or other missile can be discharged or which can be adapted for the discharge of any shot, bullet or other missile and includes -
(*a*) a weapon of any description designed or intended to discharge -
(i) any noxious liquid, noxious gas or other noxious substance; or
Yayi!! So there goes the pepper spray, but heck! the police don't protect us that much. So do I need a license to "be armed with a pepper spray"? :)
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
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Carrying a gun may look very enticing, but what if they notice you have it before you can use it? It no longer becomes the 'go to ur ATM and remove all ur monies' crime only, they will surely kill you. ./Ok3ch 2009/6/22 Murigi Muraya <mmskunkworks@gmail.com>
Ecclesiastes 8:11 (NIV) states:
When the sentence for a crime is not quickly carried out, the hearts of the people are filled with schemes to do wrong. ____________________
Have we not seen this in Kenya?
2009/6/22 Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>
Quick question,
Isn't the real question why there are so many armed thugs? If there is more than one thug, isn't a pepper spray a liability? I know I'm being a pacifist here, but, when thugs go after an armoured car, they have the whole shebang, AK 47's etc. If we decide to protect ourselves against that, what will be be using, grenades? Use a pepper spray to protect yourself against a thug, he'll evolve, carry a knife, you carry a knife, he gets a gun, you get a gun, he gets a machine gun, you get a machine gun, he get's a bazooka. There is no end to this, we are going back to the old days when everyone used to carry a weapon (machete, fimbo, pepper spray, pistol, all in the same category). Shouldn't a civilized society be moving towards civil disarmament and not vice versa?
It's simpler to think of the here and now, instincts of self protection etc. However, we have seen from the "necklace" days (thugs used to be burnt as a routine matter), that violence doesn't help. The thugs got guns, and now shoot you. You get gun's they'll get bigger guns. At the end of the day, if someone really want's your property, he'll get it. What we should aim for is a society where the urge to rob is minimised.
I've stopped preaching.
2009/6/22 Odhiambo ワシントン <odhiambo@gmail.com>
2009/6/22 Brian Muita <bmuita+skunkworks@gmail.com<bmuita%2Bskunkworks@gmail.com>
2009/6/19 Odhiambo ワシントン <odhiambo@gmail.com>
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Shiro Njagi <sheeroh@gmail.com>wrote:
Just putting this out there since most of you seem not to be in the know Pepper spray is illegal in Kenya.
Under which law, Shiro?
<quote>
"firearm" means a lethal barrelled weapon of any description from which any shot, bullet or other missile can be discharged or which can be adapted for the discharge of any shot, bullet or other missile and includes -
(*a*) a weapon of any description designed or intended to discharge -
(i) any noxious liquid, noxious gas or other noxious substance; or
Yayi!! So there goes the pepper spray, but heck! the police don't protect us that much. So do I need a license to "be armed with a pepper spray"? :)
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
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Have you explored the Wushu<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_martial_arts>option? It is legal and equally as lethal as a firearm. I don't know of any training centers in town but who knows, maybe some are there. 2009/6/23 Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com>
Carrying a gun may look very enticing, but what if they notice you have it before you can use it? It no longer becomes the 'go to ur ATM and remove all ur monies' crime only, they will surely kill you. ./Ok3ch
2009/6/22 Murigi Muraya <mmskunkworks@gmail.com>
Ecclesiastes 8:11 (NIV) states:
When the sentence for a crime is not quickly carried out, the hearts of the people are filled with schemes to do wrong. ____________________
Have we not seen this in Kenya?
2009/6/22 Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>
Quick question,
Isn't the real question why there are so many armed thugs? If there is more than one thug, isn't a pepper spray a liability? I know I'm being a pacifist here, but, when thugs go after an armoured car, they have the whole shebang, AK 47's etc. If we decide to protect ourselves against that, what will be be using, grenades? Use a pepper spray to protect yourself against a thug, he'll evolve, carry a knife, you carry a knife, he gets a gun, you get a gun, he gets a machine gun, you get a machine gun, he get's a bazooka. There is no end to this, we are going back to the old days when everyone used to carry a weapon (machete, fimbo, pepper spray, pistol, all in the same category). Shouldn't a civilized society be moving towards civil disarmament and not vice versa?
It's simpler to think of the here and now, instincts of self protection etc. However, we have seen from the "necklace" days (thugs used to be burnt as a routine matter), that violence doesn't help. The thugs got guns, and now shoot you. You get gun's they'll get bigger guns. At the end of the day, if someone really want's your property, he'll get it. What we should aim for is a society where the urge to rob is minimised.
I've stopped preaching.
2009/6/22 Odhiambo ワシントン <odhiambo@gmail.com>
2009/6/22 Brian Muita <bmuita+skunkworks@gmail.com<bmuita%2Bskunkworks@gmail.com>
2009/6/19 Odhiambo ワシントン <odhiambo@gmail.com>
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Shiro Njagi <sheeroh@gmail.com>wrote:
> Just putting this out there since most of you seem not to be in the > know > Pepper spray is illegal in Kenya.
Under which law, Shiro?
<quote>
"firearm" means a lethal barrelled weapon of any description from which any shot, bullet or other missile can be discharged or which can be adapted for the discharge of any shot, bullet or other missile and includes -
(*a*) a weapon of any description designed or intended to discharge -
(i) any noxious liquid, noxious gas or other noxious substance; or
Yayi!! So there goes the pepper spray, but heck! the police don't protect us that much. So do I need a license to "be armed with a pepper spray"? :)
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
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man invented weapons for his own safety, disregarding all the disadvantages these weapons have on him if they were given to his enemy or someone else apart from himself.... On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Clement Ongera <cnongera@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All, Suppose you succeed to get a gun, get thugged and in the process the gun is used on you, your family or friends... Suppose you learn Karate, KungFu and/or any other self defense methods... Suppose you carry a pepper spray(My sister does)... Suppose you comply with the thugs' wishes.... Suppose you practice safety and be disciplined... Suppose.... _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Skunkworks announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
I have always pictured a scenario where some punks raid your house point a gun at you and go on and do all the ladies and kids there, this is a situation that one would rather die than watch. In such a situation with a gun then maybe I would get to smoke like two or three raiders(ama all if movies on AK-47 are to be believed). True the gun may be used against me but having one is better than sitting there doing nothing. I tend to think that if the thugs get to know one has a gun then they also keep off the property. Some guys are claiming that it may be bad to kill someone, true but I would rather kill than be killed. Regrds K Z M ---"It's not your blue blood, your pedigree or your college degree. It's what you do with your life that counts. --- On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Japheth Kioko <japhking@gmail.com> wrote:
man invented weapons for his own safety, disregarding all the disadvantages these weapons have on him if they were given to his enemy or someone else apart from himself....
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Clement Ongera <cnongera@gmail.com>wrote:
Hi All, Suppose you succeed to get a gun, get thugged and in the process the gun is used on you, your family or friends... Suppose you learn Karate, KungFu and/or any other self defense methods... Suppose you carry a pepper spray(My sister does)... Suppose you comply with the thugs' wishes.... Suppose you practice safety and be disciplined... Suppose.... _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Skunkworks announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Rad!<conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
what is the root problem of crime? crime is crime!
"Poverty is the worst form of violence"-- Gandhi real "mungiki" read poverty real "PEV" (and supermarkets raid guys carrying fridges 2x their own weight:) read poverty real e-lists "negative energies" read poverty .... etc. I diagnose what we are witnessing as "misdirected youthful energies" Not good enough being a "problem announcer" be a "solution provider." My Solution? After the fibre cables, then flood the whole country with computers and FOSS. Youths will be so occupied installing software all over the place, cracking code, hacking (real meaning of it), earning income, solving needs, innovating, then exporting software. They'll have so much work to do, occupied interest or enough money they'd rather code than join the "chronic" criminal ones... Hope I make some sense to at least one someone? rgds,
According to locals here the guns in the Coast are coming from Somalia. They are not legally acquired weapons. Internationally, most weapons used in crime are not legally acquired so having firearms laws doesn't help. Alex is right. The real cause is the poverty and the xtreme split between the rich and the poor. Crime has been on the rise in Kenya for the past few months and little is being done to stop it. Just look at the surge in kidnappings. Let me be honest, I didn't come to Kenya because it was a safe, fair, and equitable country. I came here because I saw a youth population in desperate need of solutions and I came to serve. My question now is this: if the insecurity gets so bad that those who dedicate themselves to helping are in danger who will come to help? Crystal On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 11:46 PM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>wrote:
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Rad!<conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
what is the root problem of crime? crime is crime!
"Poverty is the worst form of violence"-- Gandhi
real "mungiki" read poverty real "PEV" (and supermarkets raid guys carrying fridges 2x their own weight:) read poverty real e-lists "negative energies" read poverty .... etc.
I diagnose what we are witnessing as "misdirected youthful energies"
Not good enough being a "problem announcer" be a "solution provider."
My Solution?
After the fibre cables, then flood the whole country with computers and FOSS. Youths will be so occupied installing software all over the place, cracking code, hacking (real meaning of it), earning income, solving needs, innovating, then exporting software. They'll have so much work to do, occupied interest or enough money they'd rather code than join the "chronic" criminal ones...
Hope I make some sense to at least one someone?
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Alex, I do concur bt with reservations. How many of these criminals are willing to take up honest day's job which pays @end month while they can wait for you and other hardworking Kenyans to go sweat it out for them? Crime has become so easy and riskless AND well-paying that I fear soon it will be incorporated into academic syllabi. My point? Society has to show that crime does not pay. Criminals MUST not be given the privilege to enjoy their loot. On 6/19/09, Crystal Watley <crystal@voicesofafrica.org> wrote:
According to locals here the guns in the Coast are coming from Somalia. They are not legally acquired weapons. Internationally, most weapons used in crime are not legally acquired so having firearms laws doesn't help. Alex is right. The real cause is the poverty and the xtreme split between the rich and the poor. Crime has been on the rise in Kenya for the past few months and little is being done to stop it. Just look at the surge in kidnappings.
Let me be honest, I didn't come to Kenya because it was a safe, fair, and equitable country. I came here because I saw a youth population in desperate need of solutions and I came to serve. My question now is this: if the insecurity gets so bad that those who dedicate themselves to helping are in danger who will come to help?
Crystal
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 11:46 PM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>wrote:
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Rad!<conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
what is the root problem of crime? crime is crime!
"Poverty is the worst form of violence"-- Gandhi
real "mungiki" read poverty real "PEV" (and supermarkets raid guys carrying fridges 2x their own weight:) read poverty real e-lists "negative energies" read poverty .... etc.
I diagnose what we are witnessing as "misdirected youthful energies"
Not good enough being a "problem announcer" be a "solution provider."
My Solution?
After the fibre cables, then flood the whole country with computers and FOSS. Youths will be so occupied installing software all over the place, cracking code, hacking (real meaning of it), earning income, solving needs, innovating, then exporting software. They'll have so much work to do, occupied interest or enough money they'd rather code than join the "chronic" criminal ones...
Hope I make some sense to at least one someone?
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"You must be the change you wish to see" - Gandhi
Interesting discussion,not techie but relevant all the same My Take Poverty is not the root cause of Crime : Culture is India has much more poverty than Kenya, So does Uganda but both countries are far much safer. China has more poverty that all of us put together,but you will rarely hear of crime the way you do here and in America. While police are not armed in the UK.The UK still has a large average of weapons in the arms of individuals although not the police. If you have watched Michael Moores Columbine documentary you realise canada has more arms than the US. But far much less crime. So its not the arms,or poverty. Its the collective values of the people and the leadership. Crime thrives where it is encouraged or not discouraged. The countries mentioned above discourage crime using several methods either religious,extreme punishment(which is enforced) or entrenched values How can we enforce punishment when the enforcers are involved in crime? Our culture sad to say encourages crime but pretends to discourage it. We blame the police for being corrupt but will tip city council askaris not to pay parking in town. If we cannot enforce the simplest of things how will we fight against thugs? It starts from us individually,but will only take root if enforced from the top What I always tell people is that despite things being thick,we can each take personal responsibility to solve the problem at our level. ive been carjacked and was with my wife. My friend was carjacked and raped despite collaborating. Those incidences make me wish I had a gun and dealt with those guys once and for all. But I cant give up pack and leave Kenya. I chose to hope, do whatever I can, keep myself and family as safe as I can. And work towards increasing my influence(through business and community work) and one day my influence will have a large impact. Crystal ,dont give up. Be safe,but dont give up. It will take time but I believe you can recover and come out much stronger. This situation will give you access to avenues you didnt have before(can anyone here directly call the PS?Im not that influential) and you can turn lemon into lemonade only if you focus on finding a solution. However its easy to advise when not in the shoes. So if leaving also makes sense,dont feel guilty.You have done your good deed for kenya and the world. On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 6:43 AM, Tech List Kenya <techlistkenya@gmail.com>wrote:
Alex, I do concur bt with reservations. How many of these criminals are willing to take up honest day's job which pays @end month while they can wait for you and other hardworking Kenyans to go sweat it out for them? Crime has become so easy and riskless AND well-paying that I fear soon it will be incorporated into academic syllabi. My point? Society has to show that crime does not pay. Criminals MUST not be given the privilege to enjoy their loot.
On 6/19/09, Crystal Watley <crystal@voicesofafrica.org> wrote:
According to locals here the guns in the Coast are coming from Somalia. They are not legally acquired weapons. Internationally, most weapons used in crime are not legally acquired so having firearms laws doesn't help. Alex is right. The real cause is the poverty and the xtreme split between the rich and the poor. Crime has been on the rise in Kenya for the past few months and little is being done to stop it. Just look at the surge in kidnappings.
Let me be honest, I didn't come to Kenya because it was a safe, fair, and equitable country. I came here because I saw a youth population in desperate need of solutions and I came to serve. My question now is this: if the insecurity gets so bad that those who dedicate themselves to helping are in danger who will come to help?
Crystal
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 11:46 PM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>wrote:
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Rad!<conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
what is the root problem of crime? crime is crime!
"Poverty is the worst form of violence"-- Gandhi
real "mungiki" read poverty real "PEV" (and supermarkets raid guys carrying fridges 2x their own weight:) read poverty real e-lists "negative energies" read poverty .... etc.
I diagnose what we are witnessing as "misdirected youthful energies"
Not good enough being a "problem announcer" be a "solution provider."
My Solution?
After the fibre cables, then flood the whole country with computers and FOSS. Youths will be so occupied installing software all over the place, cracking code, hacking (real meaning of it), earning income, solving needs, innovating, then exporting software. They'll have so much work to do, occupied interest or enough money they'd rather code than join the "chronic" criminal ones...
Hope I make some sense to at least one someone?
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"You must be the change you wish to see" - Gandhi
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You make a lot of sense. I read this email from a friend. I've decided to post it here after a lot of mulling over. Dear all, Hi my dears. Been meaning to drop this line but its been a manic past couple of weeks! As most of you have heard by now, I was involved in a car accident a couple of weeks ago, and turns out, there was a scam involved and thought it best to warn you guys so you dont end up in a situation like mine! I was driving along Argwins Kodhek road, I must have been doing about 40km/h because I'd just dropped off someone at the Shell petrol station in Hurlingham. Just as I got outside the Barclays Bank, before you get to Buffet Park , I suddenly saw someone rolling on my windscreen and he landed on the side of the road. My windscreen was all cracked. Naturally I ran out of the car to check on the person. This was at around 11pm on Saturday night. At the same time some guy who introduced himself as Michael came and said we need to take the injured guy to hospital. I was panicking and was in no condition to drive, so against my better judgement, I asked Michael (the good samaritan) to drive my car and we dashed to Nairobi hospital. The guy I hit, who later said his name was Simon Wanjohi, did not have serious injuries, just a cut to his head, though he was quite drunk. Once he was treated, the doctor told me to take him to Kenyatta Hospital , because he'd been given treatment already and just needed observation for 24 hours. I later called an ambulance and we then went to Kenyatta Hospital to get him admitted and observed. All this time, Michael, the good samaritan, was with me. He kept telling me there was no need to involve the cops. When we got to Kenyatta Hospital , I snuck out and went ahead to call the cops to report the matter. Regardless of taking the man to hospital and all, I thought it was prudent to get the cops involved. I went to Kilimani police station and reported the matter. On the first look at the vehicle, the cops said it was quite strange that both my bonnet and bumper were fine, and they went ahead to hospital to question both the "good samaritan" and Simon, the guy I hit. Short of the long, there's a racket going on where people actually throw themselves on the windscreens of cars, especially if the car is not moving fast. It happens a lot along Argwins Kodhek Road . So once someone lands on your car, they ask for monetary compensation. It gets worse because the cops said I was very lucky because it could have been worse. They said they've had an incident quite recently where somebody was mugged and killed, and the thugs then threw the dead body on a moving car. They then came out of the dark, dressed as cops, and asked the driver of the car to either pay them and they'll dump the body at City Mortuary, or the driver would be charged with manslaughter. Kenyan law is an ass, because it doesn't matter if you veered off the road and killed 100 people, or if someone suicidal jumps on the road and gets themselves killed, its all the same, you are still charged with reckless driving or manslaughter if the person dies! Anyhow, so cops said there's a guy who had a body thrown on his windscreen, and because he was scared of being charged with manslaughter, he opted to pay the "cops". So the "cops" said they could go and get the money from the ATM, and in the meantime they put the body of the man in his boot. They got into his car and he drove off with the two "cops" and the dead body in his boot, to go to the ATM so he could get cash to pay off the "cops". When he got to the ATM, he got out of the car to go and get the money. By coincidence, there were some real cops on patrol, who saw the way he was shaking as he walked to the ATM machine, and suspected there was something wrong. They went to his car to see if there was anything dodgy, found the two fake "cops", managed to tackle them, and they were found to have fake guns, knives and other paraphanelia. Turns out, the thugs had mugged and killed a man, threw him on the moving car, pretended to be cops and asked the man to either bribe them 100K and they'd take the body to the city mortuary and say it was a "hit and run", or they'd charge the man with manslaughter. This man did not know the two guys were not cops, and because he was scared, he opted to pay them, and if it were not for the real cops, he'd have paid off the thugs. The thugs were probably going to dump the body somewhere or use it again to con someone else. Anyhow, after the cops tackled the "fake cops", they found the body of a man in the boot, and post mortem showed that the man died of stabbing, and not being hit by a car. Anyhow, this is not to freak you out, but just be careful when driving. When driving at night, especially along deserted roads, drive as fast as you can, but still be careful. If you hit someone, its better to go to the nearest police station, report the matter, and come back to the scene with cops. Driving around Nairobi has become very unsafe, so be careful. Back to top ________________________________ From: Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> To: Skunkworks forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 4:46:48 PM Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] PURCAHSING LEGAL FIRE ARMS IN KENYA On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Rad!<conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
what is the root problem of crime? crime is crime!
"Poverty is the worst form of violence"-- Gandhi real "mungiki" read poverty real "PEV" (and supermarkets raid guys carrying fridges 2x their own weight:) read poverty real e-lists "negative energies" read poverty .... etc. I diagnose what we are witnessing as "misdirected youthful energies" Not good enough being a "problem announcer" be a "solution provider." My Solution? After the fibre cables, then flood the whole country with computers and FOSS. Youths will be so occupied installing software all over the place, cracking code, hacking (real meaning of it), earning income, solving needs, innovating, then exporting software. They'll have so much work to do, occupied interest or enough money they'd rather code than join the "chronic" criminal ones... Hope I make some sense to at least one someone? rgds, _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Skunkworks announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
Bwana Gakuru, this presupposes that all the youth are interested in ICT. unfortunately not the case. but even if it was, let's not kid ourselves. there will still be muggers, kidnappers and robbers who find that way of life, taking rather than making, easier than a honest living. I'm not saying we don't try, but there is room for both solutions. carrots and sticks On 6/18/09, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Rad!<conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
what is the root problem of crime? crime is crime!
"Poverty is the worst form of violence"-- Gandhi
real "mungiki" read poverty real "PEV" (and supermarkets raid guys carrying fridges 2x their own weight:) read poverty real e-lists "negative energies" read poverty .... etc.
I diagnose what we are witnessing as "misdirected youthful energies"
Not good enough being a "problem announcer" be a "solution provider."
My Solution?
After the fibre cables, then flood the whole country with computers and FOSS. Youths will be so occupied installing software all over the place, cracking code, hacking (real meaning of it), earning income, solving needs, innovating, then exporting software. They'll have so much work to do, occupied interest or enough money they'd rather code than join the "chronic" criminal ones...
Hope I make some sense to at least one someone?
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But you cannot guarantee his survival, as Cholmondely demonstrated... On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Lenchipai Nakodony <lenchi@inbox.com>wrote:
Not really Kariuki, any weapon used in self defense is ALWAYS used with the intention to immobolise the attacker, NEVER to kill the attacker. No one ever goes to war with the intention of killing the enemy, but to subdue the enemy to surrender, for the sake, and care of the people you left behind.
Lenchipai Nakodony Suntel(K) Ltd Skype me:lenchiiz "Idealism is what precedes experience"
-----Original Message----- *From:* pkariuki@gmail.com *Sent:* Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:33:48 +0300 *To:* skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke *Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] PURCAHSING LEGAL FIRE ARMS IN KENYA
Let me ask a philosophical question here;
Are you ready to kill a man? Are you ready to take a man's life because of some property?
If not, then the gun is basically being used as a bargaining chip, and you don't need ammo, which calls into question the very purpose of the ammo and the gun...
OK, I've been reading up too much on game theory... signing out....
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Lenchipai Nakodony <lenchi@inbox.com>wrote:
In relation to the current sad events most of us skunkworks have had to hear or face (Crystal, we are very sorry), I'd like to know if there is any skunk works with information on how one can acquire firearms in kenya LEGALLY. I've lost a lot of money to thugs(a lot meaning A LOT). Many of us have also lost the same type of people. Anyone with the info on how to obtain one LEGALLY, share it with the skunkers. We would highly appriciate
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I agree, killing is never the intention. However, its a possibility, that's all I'm saying. I live in Nairobi and do appreciate your frustation. On this note Gun's and Camera's, what happened to it? On 6/18/09, Lenchipai Nakodony <lenchi@inbox.com> wrote:
Yes, Kariuki, NEVER the INTENTION of killing the attacker....
Lenchipai Nakodony Suntel(K) Ltd Skype me:lenchiiz "Idealism is what precedes experience"
-----Original Message----- From: pkariuki@gmail.com Sent: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:50:26 +0300 To: skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] PURCAHSING LEGAL FIRE ARMS IN KENYA
But you cannot guarantee his survival, as Cholmondely demonstrated...
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Lenchipai Nakodony <lenchi@inbox.com> wrote:
Not really Kariuki, any weapon used in self defense is ALWAYS used with the intention to immobolise the attacker, NEVER to kill the attacker. No one ever goes to war with the intention of killing the enemy, but to subdue the enemy to surrender, for the sake, and care of the people you left behind.
Lenchipai Nakodony Suntel(K) Ltd Skype me:lenchiiz "Idealism is what precedes experience"
-----Original Message----- From: pkariuki@gmail.com Sent: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:33:48 +0300 To: skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] PURCAHSING LEGAL FIRE ARMS IN KENYA
Let me ask a philosophical question here;
Are you ready to kill a man? Are you ready to take a man's life because of some property?
If not, then the gun is basically being used as a bargaining chip, and you don't need ammo, which calls into question the very purpose of the ammo and the gun...
OK, I've been reading up too much on game theory... signing out....
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Lenchipai Nakodony <lenchi@inbox.com> wrote:
In relation to the current sad events most of us skunkworks have had to hear or face (Crystal, we are very sorry), I'd like to know if there is any skunk works with information on how one can acquire firearms in kenya LEGALLY. I've lost a lot of money to thugs(a lot meaning A LOT). Many of us have also lost the same type of people. Anyone with the info on how to obtain one LEGALLY, share it with the skunkers. We would highly appriciate
Lenchipai Nakodony Suntel(K) Ltd Skype me:lenchiiz "Idealism is what precedes experience"
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I understand that you will have to prove your "severe vulnerability" ... which we all sadly are. Maybe we should explore other legal immobilizers. I know a couple of ladies with pepper-spays in those nice looking handbags. Well thought, I may say.. until when the handbag is snatched first..
The entire process is explained in detail here: http://www.kenyapolice.go.ke/tips.asp I assure you, its a very lengthy process. Below is a snippet: *Acquiring a Civilian Firearms Certificate* *The following is the procedure that any member of the public who wishes to apply for a license to hold a firearm will follow as provided for in the Firearms Act Cap 114 Laws of Kenya. * * • The applicant must obtain from the local Officer Commanding Police Station prescribed forms (Form 1) and fill them in duplicate. The OCS will assist the applicant to complete the forms after which the applicant will be handed over the duplicate copy which he/she should forward to the Central Firearms Bureau at the following address: Chief Licensing Officer, Central Firearms Bureau, P.O. Box 30263, Nairobi 00100. • The original copy will be retained by the OCS who will forward it to the Officer Commanding Police Division (OCPD). The OCPD will make a comprehensive recommendation on the applicant which will be deliberated on by the District Security Committee (DSC) and the Provincial Security Committee (PSC). The application will be forwarded to the Commissioner of Police for approval. * * • The Chief Licensing Officer will then write a reply to the applicant informing him/her the decision arrived at and the next course of action.* * • The firearm certificate is renewable annually. * On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Lenchipai Nakodony <lenchi@inbox.com>wrote:
In relation to the current sad events most of us skunkworks have had to hear or face (Crystal, we are very sorry), I'd like to know if there is any skunk works with information on how one can acquire firearms in kenya LEGALLY. I've lost a lot of money to thugs(a lot meaning A LOT). Many of us have also lost the same type of people. Anyone with the info on how to obtain one LEGALLY, share it with the skunkers. We would highly appriciate
Lenchipai Nakodony Suntel(K) Ltd Skype me:lenchiiz "Idealism is what precedes experience"
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try going/calling directly to the central police station .... they may be helpful...then share the info pole for your predicament guys! On 6/18/09, Lenchipai Nakodony <lenchi@inbox.com> wrote:
In relation to the current sad events most of us skunkworks have had to hear or face (Crystal, we are very sorry), I'd like to know if there is any skunk works with information on how one can acquire firearms in kenya LEGALLY. I've lost a lot of money to thugs(a lot meaning A LOT). Many of us have also lost the same type of people. Anyone with the info on how to obtain one LEGALLY, share it with the skunkers. We would highly appriciate
Lenchipai Nakodony Suntel(K) Ltd Skype me:lenchiiz "Idealism is what precedes experience"
-- Sincerely yours, Nancy Bosire Managing Director Blueline Synergy Limited Tel: 020 2317230/29 Mobile: 0721907995 info@bluelinesynergy.com,nancy@bluelinesynergy.com http://www.bluelinesynergy.com Domain Registration.Web Design & Hosting.Software Development.LAN/WAN setup.Maintenance.Projectors. New/Used PCs & Laptops.Computer Accessories.Office Stationary "Your consistent thoughts create your consistent results." "Whatever your mind expects and demands, it will find a way to produce it." - Napoleon Hill Mahatma Gandhi once said:- First they ignore you, Then they laugh at you, Then they fight you, AND THEN YOU WIN!!!
The news confirms the situation: http://www.nation.co.ke/News/-/1056/613340/-/ukboxb/-/index.html The guns are coming in from Somalia and there has been a surge in crime. When you can rent a gun by the hour what is the sense in obtaining one legally? The real question here is what can we do about it? Crystal On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 11:58 AM, nancy bosire <bozaya@gmail.com> wrote:
try going/calling directly to the central police station .... they may be helpful...then share the info
pole for your predicament guys!
On 6/18/09, Lenchipai Nakodony <lenchi@inbox.com> wrote:
In relation to the current sad events most of us skunkworks have had to
hear
or face (Crystal, we are very sorry), I'd like to know if there is any skunk works with information on how one can acquire firearms in kenya LEGALLY. I've lost a lot of money to thugs(a lot meaning A LOT). Many of us have also lost the same type of people. Anyone with the info on how to obtain one LEGALLY, share it with the skunkers. We would highly appriciate
Lenchipai Nakodony Suntel(K) Ltd Skype me:lenchiiz "Idealism is what precedes experience"
-- Sincerely yours,
Nancy Bosire Managing Director Blueline Synergy Limited Tel: 020 2317230/29 Mobile: 0721907995 info@bluelinesynergy.com,nancy@bluelinesynergy.com http://www.bluelinesynergy.com
Domain Registration.Web Design & Hosting.Software Development.LAN/WAN setup.Maintenance.Projectors. New/Used PCs & Laptops.Computer Accessories.Office Stationary
"Your consistent thoughts create your consistent results."
"Whatever your mind expects and demands, it will find a way to produce it." - Napoleon Hill
Mahatma Gandhi once said:-
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