Proud of u On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 3:59 PM, John Ndambuki <johnmndambuki@gmail.com>wrote:

Good stuff! Kudos to John - keep it up!

Kind Regards

John Ndambuki

On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 6:46 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:

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Refreshing to read about a Kenyan who puts his money where his mouth is

Kenyan coder John Paul Chacha has made his Chasys Draw IES<http://www.downloadcrew.com/article/20052-chasys_draw_ies> image

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suite completely free with its latest release, creating a rival to other popular free image-editing tools such as Paint.NET<http://www.downloadcrew.com/article/1450-paintnet> and The GIMP <http://www.downloadcrew.com/article/2856-gimp>. Chasys Draw IES consists of four components, the main being Chasys Draw Artist, a full image editor with powerful feature set. There's also an image viewer (Chasys Draw Viewer), batch conversion tool (Chasys Draw Converter) and tool for processing RAW digital camera image files (Chasys Draw raw-Photo).

http://www.betanews.com/article/Chasys-Draw-IES-image-suite-adds-features-go...

http://www.chachaslab.com/

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very powerful software done by powerful coder...here is his interview a while back http://goo.gl/iOdD5 <http://goo.gl/iOdD5>A donate button should be added On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Jared Koyier <jaredkoyier@gmail.com> wrote:

Nice Software, very powerful, I like the screen capture tool on it. Maybe Chacha can add a Donate Button on his site.

Regards Jared Koyier

On 21 February 2011 16:20, Dave Kirirah <dave.kirirah@gmail.com> wrote:

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Proud of u

On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 3:59 PM, John Ndambuki <johnmndambuki@gmail.com>wrote:

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Good stuff! Kudos to John - keep it up!

Kind Regards

John Ndambuki

On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 6:46 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:

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Refreshing to read about a Kenyan who puts his money where his mouth is

Kenyan coder John Paul Chacha has made his Chasys Draw IES<http://www.downloadcrew.com/article/20052-chasys_draw_ies> image

...

suite completely free with its latest release, creating a rival to other popular free image-editing tools such as Paint.NET<http://www.downloadcrew.com/article/1450-paintnet> and The GIMP <http://www.downloadcrew.com/article/2856-gimp>. Chasys Draw IES consists of four components, the main being Chasys Draw Artist, a full image editor with powerful feature set. There's also an image viewer (Chasys Draw Viewer), batch conversion tool (Chasys Draw Converter) and tool for processing RAW digital camera image files (Chasys Draw raw-Photo).

http://www.betanews.com/article/Chasys-Draw-IES-image-suite-adds-features-go...

http://www.chachaslab.com/

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*One should never make software for the sake of coding. You should have a target market/audience else you will end up giving it out as freeware. * Adobe is a giant! *One *developer cannot make software good enough to rival any of their products. I think Paul Chacha should have gone the Red Giant Software way. Red Giant Software saw that Adobe after effects' particale playground had some short comings and decided to make a add-on(not complete application) called trap code particular. The addon become so popular that adobe had to adopt it for their CS4 release, which translated to MEGA profits for them. If (users_of(Chasys_Draw_IES) < 10) { Printf(“EPIC FAIL!!!”); } On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Samuel Kibacia <samuel.kibacia@gmail.com>wrote:

A Kenyan paving the way for the Next Generation. SALUTE!

On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 4:59 PM, peter kiuna <peterkiuna@gmail.com> wrote:

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very powerful software done by powerful coder...here is his interview a while back http://goo.gl/iOdD5

<http://goo.gl/iOdD5>A donate button should be added

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Nice Software, very powerful, I like the screen capture tool on it. Maybe Chacha can add a Donate Button on his site.

Regards Jared Koyier

On 21 February 2011 16:20, Dave Kirirah <dave.kirirah@gmail.com> wrote:

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Proud of u

On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 3:59 PM, John Ndambuki <johnmndambuki@gmail.com

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wrote:

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Good stuff! Kudos to John - keep it up!

Kind Regards

John Ndambuki

On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 6:46 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:

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Refreshing to read about a Kenyan who puts his money where his mouth is

Kenyan coder John Paul Chacha has made his Chasys Draw IES<http://www.downloadcrew.com/article/20052-chasys_draw_ies> image > suite completely free with its latest release, creating a rival to other > popular free image-editing tools such as Paint.NET<http://www.downloadcrew.com/article/1450-paintnet> > and The GIMP <http://www.downloadcrew.com/article/2856-gimp>. > Chasys Draw IES consists of four components, the main being Chasys Draw > Artist, a full image editor with powerful feature set. There's also an image > viewer (Chasys Draw Viewer), batch conversion tool (Chasys Draw Converter) > and tool for processing RAW digital camera image files (Chasys Draw > raw-Photo).

http://www.betanews.com/article/Chasys-Draw-IES-image-suite-adds-features-go...

http://www.chachaslab.com/

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That's unbelievably harsh, if not a little skewed in thought. I see nothing wrong in someone making software for their own particular use, then sharing it with others, or even making some profit while at it. I do like your high expectations, though. ________________________________ From: Humphrey Ngoiya <hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk> To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Tue, February 22, 2011 4:41:24 PM Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Kenyan Developer Releases Freeware One should never make software for the sake of coding. You should have a target market/audience else you will end up giving it out as freeware. Adobe is a giant! One developer cannot make software good enough to rival any of their products. I think Paul Chacha should have gone the Red Giant Software way. Red Giant Software saw that Adobe after effects' particale playground had some short comings and decided to make a add-on(not complete application) called trap code particular. The addon become so popular that adobe had to adopt it for their CS4 release, which translated to MEGA profits for them. If (users_of(Chasys_Draw_IES) < 10) { Printf(“EPIC FAIL!!!”); } On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Samuel Kibacia <samuel.kibacia@gmail.com> wrote: A Kenyan paving the way for the Next Generation. SALUTE!

On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 4:59 PM, peter kiuna <peterkiuna@gmail.com> wrote:

very powerful software done by powerful coder...here is his interview a while back http://goo.gl/iOdD5

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A donate button should be added

On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Jared Koyier <jaredkoyier@gmail.com> wrote:

Nice Software, very powerful, I like the screen capture tool on it. Maybe Chacha can add a Donate Button on his site.

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RegardsJared Koyier

On 21 February 2011 16:20, Dave Kirirah <dave.kirirah@gmail.com> wrote:

Proud of u

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On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 3:59 PM, John Ndambuki <johnmndambuki@gmail.com>

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Good stuff! Kudos to John - keep it up!

Kind Regards

John Ndambuki

On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 6:46 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:

Refreshing to read about a Kenyan who puts his money where his mouth is

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Kenyan coder John Paul Chacha has made his Chasys Draw IES image suite completely free with its latest release, creating a rival to other popular free image-editing tools such as Paint.NET and The GIMP. Chasys Draw IES consists of four components, the main being Chasys Draw Artist, a full image editor with powerful feature set. There's also an image viewer (Chasys Draw Viewer), batch conversion tool (Chasys Draw Converter) and tool for processing RAW digital camera image files (Chasys Draw raw-Photo).

http://www.betanews.com/article/Chasys-Draw-IES-image-suite-adds-features-go...

http://www.chachaslab.com/

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If he was selling his software, do you think it would have gotten him this kind of recognition? Not everything is about mega profits, this exposure will probably lead to lots more than cash he would have made selling it on the kenyan market On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 5:29 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:

@Humphrey, some thots from me. When I wrote about the "Information Age and what we could do to develop things for the next 20 years or so..", FaceBook creator ( and as engineers ) have just managed to change the world for the better. Reading the various stories out there, this one says it all: Wael Ghonim, the Google marketing executive who was detained for his role in organizing the Egyptian uprising on Facebook.....calling Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg a personal hero.

What's your take on this? :-)

Asante.

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It is not money that drives a lot of initiatives,the money comes later.As a freeware, guys will get used to it and later it will become a household name.Think if the government can support the kenyan software, in all the new computers its dishing out for govt education, they install it. In 8 yrs those children in primary/secondary school will be knowing chasis draw inside out...isnt that vision 2030 achieved and a powerful kenyan software firm established in kenya. Its just time. On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:

I guess you haven heard of Freeware. Its about recognition, not money. I wouldnt buy it when there is photoshop

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If he was selling his software, do you think it would have gotten him this kind of recognition? Not everything is about mega profits, this exposure will probably lead to lots more than cash he would have made selling it on the kenyan market

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 5:29 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:

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@Humphrey, some thots from me. When I wrote about the "Information Age and what we could do to develop things for the next 20 years or so..", FaceBook creator ( and as engineers ) have just managed to change the world for the better. Reading the various stories out there, this one says it all: Wael Ghonim, the Google marketing executive who was detained for his role in organizing the Egyptian uprising on Facebook.....calling Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg a personal hero.

What's your take on this? :-)

Asante.

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Ok, I hope the developer did not pull a Zuckerberg on you On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 5:48 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:

in fact this should be added to Comp science curriculum, it will inspire kenyan kids to develop usable software

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 5:44 PM, peter kiuna <peterkiuna@gmail.com> wrote:

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It is not money that drives a lot of initiatives,the money comes later.As a freeware, guys will get used to it and later it will become a household name.Think if the government can support the kenyan software, in all the new computers its dishing out for govt education, they install it. In 8 yrs those children in primary/secondary school will be knowing chasis draw inside out...isnt that vision 2030 achieved and a powerful kenyan software firm established in kenya. Its just time.

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:

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I guess you haven heard of Freeware. Its about recognition, not money. I wouldnt buy it when there is photoshop

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:

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If he was selling his software, do you think it would have gotten him this kind of recognition? Not everything is about mega profits, this exposure will probably lead to lots more than cash he would have made selling it on the kenyan market

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 5:29 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:

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@Humphrey, some thots from me. When I wrote about the "Information Age and what we could do to develop things for the next 20 years or so..", FaceBook creator ( and as engineers ) have just managed to change the world for the better. Reading the various stories out there, this one says it all: Wael Ghonim, the Google marketing executive who was detained for his role in organizing the Egyptian uprising on Facebook.....calling Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg a personal hero.

What's your take on this? :-)

Asante.

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Google and Facebook brought about Ads after they got popular....Wherever you get your information from needs to be checked. I have no idea who uses chysis, but I know alot of people who know the developer On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Humphrey Ngoiya <hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:

@Paul Kevin am sorry but even when you make freeware you must have a target audience. show me one person who downloads and uses chysis draw more than once.

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:

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Ok, I hope the developer did not pull a Zuckerberg on you

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 5:48 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:

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in fact this should be added to Comp science curriculum, it will inspire kenyan kids to develop usable software

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 5:44 PM, peter kiuna <peterkiuna@gmail.com>wrote:

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It is not money that drives a lot of initiatives,the money comes later.As a freeware, guys will get used to it and later it will become a household name.Think if the government can support the kenyan software, in all the new computers its dishing out for govt education, they install it. In 8 yrs those children in primary/secondary school will be knowing chasis draw inside out...isnt that vision 2030 achieved and a powerful kenyan software firm established in kenya. Its just time.

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com>wrote:

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I guess you haven heard of Freeware. Its about recognition, not money. I wouldnt buy it when there is photoshop

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Joram Mwinamo < joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:

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If he was selling his software, do you think it would have gotten him this kind of recognition? Not everything is about mega profits, this exposure will probably lead to lots more than cash he would have made selling it on the kenyan market

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 5:29 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:

> @Humphrey, some thots from me. When I wrote about the "Information > Age and what we could do to develop things for the next 20 years or so..", > FaceBook creator ( and as engineers ) have just managed to change the world > for the better. Reading the various stories out there, this one says it all: > Wael Ghonim, the Google marketing executive who was detained for his role > in organizing the Egyptian uprising on Facebook.....calling Facebook CEO > Mark Zuckerberg a personal hero. > > What's your take on this? :-) > > Asante. > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >

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@yonny mutai Chasys_Draw_IES is not open source, its freeware. and I said * ONE* developer can topple a Bill gate type software. A team could come up with A mozilla firefox or a google chrome. @Bernard Owuor, the reason am harsh is because I have had ChaCha say that his Chasys draw is better than photoshop. frankly I think that's like comparing Kangemi FC to Barcelona. And I have no apologize for thinking software developers should use their talent for profit. On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Bernard Owuor <b_owuor@yahoo.com> wrote:

That's unbelievably harsh, if not a little skewed in thought.

I see nothing wrong in someone making software for their own particular use, then sharing it with others, or even making some profit while at it.

I do like your high expectations, though.

------------------------------ *From:* Humphrey Ngoiya <hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk> *To:* Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> *Sent:* Tue, February 22, 2011 4:41:24 PM *Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] Kenyan Developer Releases Freeware

*One should never make software for the sake of coding. You should have a target market/audience else you will end up giving it out as freeware. *

Adobe is a giant! *One *developer cannot make software good enough to rival any of their products. I think Paul Chacha should have gone the Red Giant Software way. Red Giant Software saw that Adobe after effects' particale playground had some short comings and decided to make a add-on(not complete application) called trap code particular. The addon become so popular that adobe had to adopt it for their CS4 release, which translated to MEGA profits for them.

If (users_of(Chasys_Draw_IES) < 10)

{

Printf(“EPIC FAIL!!!”);

}

On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Samuel Kibacia <samuel.kibacia@gmail.com>wrote:

...

A Kenyan paving the way for the Next Generation. SALUTE!

On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 4:59 PM, peter kiuna <peterkiuna@gmail.com>wrote:

...

very powerful software done by powerful coder...here is his interview a while back http://goo.gl/iOdD5

<http://goo.gl/iOdD5>A donate button should be added

On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Jared Koyier <jaredkoyier@gmail.com>wrote:

...

Nice Software, very powerful, I like the screen capture tool on it. Maybe Chacha can add a Donate Button on his site.

Regards Jared Koyier

On 21 February 2011 16:20, Dave Kirirah <dave.kirirah@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Proud of u

On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 3:59 PM, John Ndambuki < johnmndambuki@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Good stuff! Kudos to John - keep it up!

Kind Regards

John Ndambuki

On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 6:46 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:

> Refreshing to read about a Kenyan who puts his money where his mouth > is > > Kenyan coder John Paul Chacha has made his Chasys Draw IES<http://www.downloadcrew.com/article/20052-chasys_draw_ies> image >> suite completely free with its latest release, creating a rival to other >> popular free image-editing tools such as Paint.NET<http://www.downloadcrew.com/article/1450-paintnet> >> and The GIMP <http://www.downloadcrew.com/article/2856-gimp>. >> Chasys Draw IES consists of four components, the main being Chasys Draw >> Artist, a full image editor with powerful feature set. There's also an image >> viewer (Chasys Draw Viewer), batch conversion tool (Chasys Draw Converter) >> and tool for processing RAW digital camera image files (Chasys Draw >> raw-Photo). > > > > http://www.betanews.com/article/Chasys-Draw-IES-image-suite-adds-features-go... > > http://www.chachaslab.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >

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Nicolas Dufresne has made freeware for animation called "DuDuF IK" He is also famous and his freeware is very popular with the after effects users. Another freeware I use is Web Developer toolbar Chris Pederick. Both of this are very usable, both of the developers have recognition, BOTH OF THEM ARE * ADD-ONS* why because if Nicolas Dufresne tried to make an Aftereffects clone all by himself, it would be an epic failure if Chris Pederick tried to make a mozilla clone all by himself, it would be an epic failure. P.S IrfanView was made by a TEAM of developers and not one individual. On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Bernard Owuor <b_owuor@yahoo.com> wrote:

Humphrey,

I now understand why you are harsh. But the only acceptable way to hit back is to yourself make software that sells like hot-cake. Otherwise, you risk sounding like an envious talker (which you most likely are not) and "talkers" will never out-do "doers".... ok, maybe for a short while :)

I might be wrong but I find your thinking skewed because you imply that if software does not profit the developer, then it is not profitable at all. I like your expectation that Chasys should be useful enough to buy, although there are some free apps like IrfanView that are widely used. I am also happy about the fact that we have people of such talent in our midst.

Cheers!

------------------------------ *From:* Humphrey Ngoiya <hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk> *To:* Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> *Sent:* Tue, February 22, 2011 5:31:35 PM

*Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] Kenyan Developer Releases Freeware

@yonny mutai Chasys_Draw_IES is not open source, its freeware. and I said *ONE* developer can topple a Bill gate type software. A team could come up with A mozilla firefox or a google chrome.

@Bernard Owuor, the reason am harsh is because I have had ChaCha say that his Chasys draw is better than photoshop. frankly I think that's like comparing Kangemi FC to Barcelona.

And I have no apologize for thinking software developers should use their talent for profit.

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Bernard Owuor <b_owuor@yahoo.com> wrote:

...

That's unbelievably harsh, if not a little skewed in thought.

I see nothing wrong in someone making software for their own particular use, then sharing it with others, or even making some profit while at it.

I do like your high expectations, though.

------------------------------ *From:* Humphrey Ngoiya <hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk> *To:* Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> *Sent:* Tue, February 22, 2011 4:41:24 PM *Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] Kenyan Developer Releases Freeware

*One should never make software for the sake of coding. You should have a target market/audience else you will end up giving it out as freeware. *

Adobe is a giant! *One *developer cannot make software good enough to rival any of their products. I think Paul Chacha should have gone the Red Giant Software way. Red Giant Software saw that Adobe after effects' particale playground had some short comings and decided to make a add-on(not complete application) called trap code particular. The addon become so popular that adobe had to adopt it for their CS4 release, which translated to MEGA profits for them.

If (users_of(Chasys_Draw_IES) < 10)

{

Printf(“EPIC FAIL!!!”);

}

On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Samuel Kibacia <samuel.kibacia@gmail.com

...

wrote:

...

A Kenyan paving the way for the Next Generation. SALUTE!

On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 4:59 PM, peter kiuna <peterkiuna@gmail.com>wrote:

...

very powerful software done by powerful coder...here is his interview a while back http://goo.gl/iOdD5

<http://goo.gl/iOdD5>A donate button should be added

On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Jared Koyier <jaredkoyier@gmail.com>wrote:

...

Nice Software, very powerful, I like the screen capture tool on it. Maybe Chacha can add a Donate Button on his site.

Regards Jared Koyier

On 21 February 2011 16:20, Dave Kirirah <dave.kirirah@gmail.com>wrote:

...

Proud of u

On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 3:59 PM, John Ndambuki < johnmndambuki@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Good stuff! Kudos to John - keep it up! > > > Kind Regards > > John Ndambuki > > > > On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 6:46 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Refreshing to read about a Kenyan who puts his money where his mouth >> is >> >> Kenyan coder John Paul Chacha has made his Chasys Draw IES<http://www.downloadcrew.com/article/20052-chasys_draw_ies> image >>> suite completely free with its latest release, creating a rival to other >>> popular free image-editing tools such as Paint.NET<http://www.downloadcrew.com/article/1450-paintnet> >>> and The GIMP <http://www.downloadcrew.com/article/2856-gimp>. >>> Chasys Draw IES consists of four components, the main being Chasys Draw >>> Artist, a full image editor with powerful feature set. There's also an image >>> viewer (Chasys Draw Viewer), batch conversion tool (Chasys Draw Converter) >>> and tool for processing RAW digital camera image files (Chasys Draw >>> raw-Photo). >> >> >> >> http://www.betanews.com/article/Chasys-Draw-IES-image-suite-adds-features-go... >> >> http://www.chachaslab.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >

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Humphrey, I hope you bought the Adobe suit you are using. In which case, just remember you are just another (probably good) user of other people's software. And they say that he who eats only the mother's food believes she is the best cook. With your 17 years experience you should be looking for John to help improve and take Chasys Draw to greater heights. Its seriously wrong for you to trash this guy's efforts like this. If you read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chasys_Draw_IES you will see its not a simple tool. As a developer myself I am humbled. And envious. Non of my products has ever made it to wikipedia. I believe guys are not saying its the A-Z of image editing. But we are acknowledging that its a damn good product by a very talented coder. Kudos John Chacha. On 2/22/11, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:

So, what have u made?

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 6:22 PM, Humphrey Ngoiya <hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:

...

Nicolas Dufresne has made freeware for animation called "DuDuF IK" He is also famous and his freeware is very popular with the after effects users. Another freeware I use is Web Developer toolbar Chris Pederick. Both of this are very usable, both of the developers have recognition, BOTH OF THEM ARE *ADD-ONS* why because if Nicolas Dufresne tried to make an Aftereffects clone all by himself, it would be an epic failure if Chris Pederick tried to make a mozilla clone all by himself, it would be an epic failure.

P.S IrfanView was made by a TEAM of developers and not one individual.

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Bernard Owuor <b_owuor@yahoo.com> wrote:

...

Humphrey,

I now understand why you are harsh. But the only acceptable way to hit back is to yourself make software that sells like hot-cake. Otherwise, you risk sounding like an envious talker (which you most likely are not) and "talkers" will never out-do "doers".... ok, maybe for a short while :)

I might be wrong but I find your thinking skewed because you imply that if software does not profit the developer, then it is not profitable at all. I like your expectation that Chasys should be useful enough to buy, although there are some free apps like IrfanView that are widely used. I am also happy about the fact that we have people of such talent in our midst.

Cheers!

------------------------------ *From:* Humphrey Ngoiya <hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk> *To:* Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> *Sent:* Tue, February 22, 2011 5:31:35 PM

*Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] Kenyan Developer Releases Freeware

@yonny mutai Chasys_Draw_IES is not open source, its freeware. and I said *ONE* developer can topple a Bill gate type software. A team could come up with A mozilla firefox or a google chrome.

@Bernard Owuor, the reason am harsh is because I have had ChaCha say that his Chasys draw is better than photoshop. frankly I think that's like comparing Kangemi FC to Barcelona.

And I have no apologize for thinking software developers should use their talent for profit.

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Bernard Owuor <b_owuor@yahoo.com> wrote:

...

That's unbelievably harsh, if not a little skewed in thought.

I see nothing wrong in someone making software for their own particular use, then sharing it with others, or even making some profit while at it.

I do like your high expectations, though.

------------------------------ *From:* Humphrey Ngoiya <hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk> *To:* Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> *Sent:* Tue, February 22, 2011 4:41:24 PM *Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] Kenyan Developer Releases Freeware

*One should never make software for the sake of coding. You should have a target market/audience else you will end up giving it out as freeware. *

Adobe is a giant! *One *developer cannot make software good enough to rival any of their products. I think Paul Chacha should have gone the Red Giant Software way. Red Giant Software saw that Adobe after effects' particale playground had some short comings and decided to make a add-on(not complete application) called trap code particular. The addon become so popular that adobe had to adopt it for their CS4 release, which translated to MEGA profits for them.

If (users_of(Chasys_Draw_IES) < 10)

{

Printf(“EPIC FAIL!!!”);

}

On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Samuel Kibacia < samuel.kibacia@gmail.com> wrote:

...

A Kenyan paving the way for the Next Generation. SALUTE!

On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 4:59 PM, peter kiuna <peterkiuna@gmail.com>wrote:

...

very powerful software done by powerful coder...here is his interview a while back http://goo.gl/iOdD5

<http://goo.gl/iOdD5>A donate button should be added

On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Jared Koyier <jaredkoyier@gmail.com>wrote:

> Nice Software, very powerful, I like the screen capture tool on it. > Maybe Chacha can add a Donate Button on his site. > > Regards > Jared Koyier > > > > On 21 February 2011 16:20, Dave Kirirah > <dave.kirirah@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Proud of u >> >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 3:59 PM, John Ndambuki < >> johnmndambuki@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Good stuff! Kudos to John - keep it up! >>> >>> >>> Kind Regards >>> >>> John Ndambuki >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 6:46 AM, Rad! >>> <conradakunga@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> Refreshing to read about a Kenyan who puts his money where his >>>> mouth is >>>> >>>> Kenyan coder John Paul Chacha has made his Chasys Draw >>>> IES<http://www.downloadcrew.com/article/20052-chasys_draw_ies> >>>> image >>>>> suite completely free with its latest release, creating a rival >>>>> to other >>>>> popular free image-editing tools such as >>>>> Paint.NET<http://www.downloadcrew.com/article/1450-paintnet> >>>>> and The GIMP <http://www.downloadcrew.com/article/2856-gimp>. >>>>> Chasys Draw IES consists of four components, the main being >>>>> Chasys Draw >>>>> Artist, a full image editor with powerful feature set. There's >>>>> also an image >>>>> viewer (Chasys Draw Viewer), batch conversion tool (Chasys Draw >>>>> Converter) >>>>> and tool for processing RAW digital camera image files (Chasys >>>>> Draw >>>>> raw-Photo). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.betanews.com/article/Chasys-Draw-IES-image-suite-adds-features-go... >>>> >>>> http://www.chachaslab.com/ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Skunkworks mailing list >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Direct your attention to the best... http://www.bigbang.co.ke/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >

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@Ngoiya, Just appreciate the talent. Good advice though for his next project! Mind you he now has milage for future add-ons projects that might lead to monentary wealth Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya -----Original Message----- From: Humphrey Ngoiya <hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk> Sender: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 18:22:51 To: Skunkworks Mailing List<skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Reply-To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Kenyan Developer Releases Freeware _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://orion.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke

So, say Im good in developing websites, I should not make one coz I can? Ur argument has no bounds On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Humphrey Ngoiya <hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:

I am sorry if i came out wrong, *Chacha is a very very talented programmer *. His app is among the top 3 of the best Kenyan desktop apps I have seen to date. I am just saying you should not code something just because you can. Even if you are coding to market yourself, at the bare minimum you should make an app that has a user base of more than 10. I think if he focused all his effort on improving something wrong with the ADOBE suite, I am sure the next CS6 or CS7 release of adobe would have his code, he would get recognition and he money all at the same time.

- here are some few ideas, - photoshops midtone adjustment is off - after effects does not have a good enough inverse kinematics setup - after effects needs a keyframe helper because all it has is linear or easy ease

I will soon post an app i did, and i hope and WANT you all to repay all my 'Real talk' in kind.

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@Ngoiya, Just appreciate the talent. Good advice though for his next project! Mind you he now has milage for future add-ons projects that might lead to monentary wealth

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@Humprey, What is with you and Adobe? Not everyone uses Adobe. Just because you use it does not make it the Gold Standard and does not mean everyone uses it.

Mr. Chacha A Producer not Consumer..... Now we are moving forward.

Arent Skills given to people to do what they want with them. If you have nothing to give, then i guess you keep your thoughts in a safe On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Humphrey Ngoiya <hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:

@Philip Musyoki ADOBE IS THE INDUSTRY STANDARD when it comes to 2d and motion graphics. Its so good that the great Steve jobs had to discontinue some of apples' graphics packages as they were unable to compete with them. Infact I think thats the main reason he refuses to support Adobe flash on his Iphone and Ipad.

@paul Kevin, you can make your own websites if you want. but don't try make a complete CMS by yourself.

@Mugambi kimathi, support Chacha by downloading the app, and using it more than once.

return 0; }//this is my final word on this topic

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Mr. Chacha

A Producer not Consumer..... Now we are moving forward.

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Funny thing, I too created a CMS which I have used on one website, and this is after Joomla and CMS made simple became an overkill for my needs then. Basically, I wanted something really simple and small which sole purpose for existence was managing articles and categories. Most definately it is not the best CMS ever but it served my purpose then. I am pretty sure I am not the only one... On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:

@HumphreyI I respect your opinions and I also know Adobe products are solid. Its hard competing with them, all the best on your plugin.

BUT... I could not resist this one...

...

you can make your own websites if you want. but don't try make a complete CMS by yourself.

That idea is sic, I have heard it a lot on this on skunkworks and one I can tell you. I have built an entire CMS called Mozqeeto from scratch its still in Alpha and am still working on it during my free time and doing it alone. Maybe sometime in the future I will release it as open source and let others build plugins and themes. That's besides the point.

I built it as a challenge and to have better control of my products. The Engine is designed to run web apps but also works just fine for websites.

Stop discouraging innovative people from doing what they love. ps the CMS powers www.sobbayi.com

--------------------------------------- Steve Obbayi: Software Developer =======================================

----- "Paul Kevin" <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:

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Arent Skills given to people to do what they want with them. If you have nothing to give, then i guess you keep your thoughts in a safe

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Humphrey Ngoiya <hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:

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@Philip Musyoki ADOBE IS THE INDUSTRY STANDARD when it comes to 2d and motion graphics. Its so good that the great Steve jobs had to discontinue some of apples' graphics packages as they were unable to compete with them. Infact I think thats the main reason he refuses to support Adobe flash on his Iphone and Ipad.

@paul Kevin, you can make your own websites if you want. but don't try make a complete CMS by yourself.

@Mugambi kimathi, support Chacha by downloading the app, and using it more than once.

return 0; }//this is my final word on this topic

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Mr. Chacha

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A Producer not Consumer..... Now we are moving forward.

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Creating a CMS is something every good programmer can do, we all have done that. I also Im doing a framework that will power a CMS On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Humphrey Ngoiya <hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:

I built an entire CMS by myself in second year of campus. its used by more than 10 website to date. I will not disclose the names of the websites because they are easily hackable. you just need to look at the login module for joomla and see how many vulnerabilities you have not addressed. infact if you give me permission i can highlight some security issues with your website.

P.S your http://www.sobbayi.com/ is a nice initiative. its nice to see there is a quorum of 3d application developers.

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:

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@HumphreyI I respect your opinions and I also know Adobe products are solid. Its hard competing with them, all the best on your plugin.

BUT... I could not resist this one...

...

you can make your own websites if you want. but don't try make a complete CMS by yourself.

That idea is sic, I have heard it a lot on this on skunkworks and one I can tell you. I have built an entire CMS called Mozqeeto from scratch its still in Alpha and am still working on it during my free time and doing it alone. Maybe sometime in the future I will release it as open source and let others build plugins and themes. That's besides the point.

I built it as a challenge and to have better control of my products. The Engine is designed to run web apps but also works just fine for websites.

Stop discouraging innovative people from doing what they love. ps the CMS powers www.sobbayi.com

--------------------------------------- Steve Obbayi: Software Developer =======================================

----- "Paul Kevin" <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:

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Arent Skills given to people to do what they want with them. If you have nothing to give, then i guess you keep your thoughts in a safe

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Humphrey Ngoiya <hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:

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@Philip Musyoki ADOBE IS THE INDUSTRY STANDARD when it comes to 2d and motion graphics. Its so good that the great Steve jobs had to discontinue some of apples' graphics packages as they were unable to compete with them. Infact I think thats the main reason he refuses to support Adobe flash on his Iphone and Ipad.

@paul Kevin, you can make your own websites if you want. but don't try make a complete CMS by yourself.

@Mugambi kimathi, support Chacha by downloading the app, and using it more than once.

return 0; }//this is my final word on this topic

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Mugambi Kimathi < skunkworksjahazi@gmail.com> wrote:

Mr. Chacha

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A Producer not Consumer..... Now we are moving forward.

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Nzomo I totally agree with your sentiments,How about you state the sites and we sample them?That's how you test your CMS and we say its achieved the industry standards are criticize joomla,how about we look at what you have done My 2 cents Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> Sender: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 15:44:55 To: Skunkworks Mailing List<skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Reply-To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Dont try make a complete CMS by yourself _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://orion.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke

@James Nzomo dont get me wrong i am a programmer by birth and by practice. I actually found it easier to make my own CMS from scratch rather than learn joomla. It was good coding practice, and I have transfers some of the logic to a C# framework am using but all in all, I SHOULD NOT HAVE TRIED TO MAKE A CMS FROM SCRATCH. I overlooked a lot of things and frankly I think the websites I made are very hackable and defacable. out of respect to my former employer who is also on skunkworks i will not revel the URLs. On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Humphrey Ngoiya <hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:

The biggest portion of your website is made using wordpress :-( why dint you integrate blogging into your CMS. Making a complete CMS is a team effort dude, programmers are not islands.

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Humphrey Ngoiya <hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:

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I built an entire CMS by myself in second year of campus. its used by more than 10 website to date. I will not disclose the names of the websites because they are easily hackable. you just need to look at the login module for joomla and see how many vulnerabilities you have not addressed. infact if you give me permission i can highlight some security issues with your website.

P.S your http://www.sobbayi.com/ is a nice initiative. its nice to see there is a quorum of 3d application developers.

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:

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@HumphreyI I respect your opinions and I also know Adobe products are solid. Its hard competing with them, all the best on your plugin.

BUT... I could not resist this one...

...

you can make your own websites if you want. but don't try make a complete CMS by yourself.

That idea is sic, I have heard it a lot on this on skunkworks and one I can tell you. I have built an entire CMS called Mozqeeto from scratch its still in Alpha and am still working on it during my free time and doing it alone. Maybe sometime in the future I will release it as open source and let others build plugins and themes. That's besides the point.

I built it as a challenge and to have better control of my products. The Engine is designed to run web apps but also works just fine for websites.

Stop discouraging innovative people from doing what they love. ps the CMS powers www.sobbayi.com

--------------------------------------- Steve Obbayi: Software Developer =======================================

----- "Paul Kevin" <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:

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Arent Skills given to people to do what they want with them. If you have nothing to give, then i guess you keep your thoughts in a safe

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Humphrey Ngoiya <hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

...

@Philip Musyoki ADOBE IS THE INDUSTRY STANDARD when it comes to 2d and motion graphics. Its so good that the great Steve jobs had to discontinue some of apples' graphics packages as they were unable to compete with them. Infact I think thats the main reason he refuses to support Adobe flash on his Iphone and Ipad.

@paul Kevin, you can make your own websites if you want. but don't try make a complete CMS by yourself.

@Mugambi kimathi, support Chacha by downloading the app, and using it more than once.

return 0; }//this is my final word on this topic

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Mugambi Kimathi < skunkworksjahazi@gmail.com> wrote:

Mr. Chacha

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I refuse to divulge the URLs so that you can hack them. attached is my futile attempt at making the nokia calling for all innovators-Africa, ADOBE flash app category (source code is also included). If you want to attack my coding pedigree, go ahead. @Steve Obbayi, being a flash developer I am sure you will appreciate what I was trying to clone. On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:

Well this may be a commendable effort, you should be aware of the security pitfalls created by doing your own CMS , as was illustrated in the case of HBGary vs Anonymous where HBGary was running a proprietary CMS.

If you find existing CMS restrictive, you would rather opt to using frameworks which are security hardened but offer freedom and tools to built your websites

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I refuse to divulge the URLs so that you can hack them.

Are they that insecure, just kidding :)... maybe I can help

@Steve Obbayi, being a flash developer I am sure you will appreciate what I was trying to clone.

Actually I dont regard myself a Flash developer, my work doesnt require it, I mainly use it to tutor a bunch of people, the same goes for PHP, Java and a bunch of other languages. I actually code in C/C++ and Assembly (well, sue me) on a daily basis. Also Python. @Humphrey thats a Nice App though ----- "Humphrey Ngoiya" <hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

I refuse to divulge the URLs so that you can hack them. attached is my futile attempt at making the nokia calling for all innovators-Africa, ADOBE flash app category (source code is also included). If you want to attack my coding pedigree, go ahead.

@ Steve Obbayi , being a flash developer I am sure you will appreciate what I was trying to clone.

Humpfrey wacha kutuchezea bana! hiyo zaki ya flash ulifanywa na mtu mwingine

haha! On 24 February 2011 09:04, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:

:-)

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@Humferey "i will also try to make a "yes we can poster" using Chysis draw" Please si ututengenezee moja ya *because we can*???? Tafadhali bro PS have you ever heard of gaphics/3d engine? They abstract the details of Directx & Opengl....Ill give you a tip..look for OGRE3d and IRRLeitch

The reason Indians seem to have better skills where programming/coding is concerned is simply pulling resources and knowledge sharing. These guys hold something similar to iHub and exchange ideas based on what someone has been doing over time, after the presentation the product is tested and questions are asked. The developer in this case learns alot during this face to face meeting in the end the dude is hired as a consultant paid in the millions. Kenya???? needless to say anything @Humphrey the coder you are is through practice full stop! However, a guy once told me, practice only makes perfect if the practice in itself is perfect. Could we borrow from the Indians and better them?? www.planet-source-code.com indian code submissions with competitions and all My rant

@Adams, If you are not the boss, tell that to your kenyan boss and he/she will start looking for ur replacement immediately. On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 2:39 PM, John Adams <adams.opiyo@gmail.com> wrote:

This is good. It's in Kenya, we are so used to everything for me and my soul and yet we forget software development is a just the opposite..share the code, share the skills, share the technique, share the ideas and we all earn smart and code smart!!!!

On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Nd'wex Common <flexycat@gmail.com> wrote:

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The reason Indians seem to have better skills where programming/coding is concerned is simply pulling resources and knowledge sharing. These guys hold something similar to iHub and exchange ideas based on what someone has been doing over time, after the presentation the product is tested and questions are asked. The developer in this case learns alot during this face to face meeting in the end the dude is hired as a consultant paid in the millions. Kenya???? needless to say anything

@Humphrey the coder you are is through practice full stop! However, a guy once told me, practice only makes perfect if the practice in itself is perfect.

Could we borrow from the Indians and better them?? www.planet-source-code.com indian code submissions with competitions and all

My rant

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why dont you all come together and put your different strengths into creating a local CMS? On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:

@Humphrey, I said www.sobbayi.com (Mozqeeto) not blog.sobbayi.com(Wordpress) :) so dont mix the two. Wordpress runs on a completely seperate System and will be a seperate website in of itself in a few months So they are not related at all. I was running Wordpress before I started building this CMS. So in future I will do away with Wordpress (maybe) even though I like it.

For your information, I will be integrating blogging into the main CMS. I have scheduled it for Integration in the Engine when it reaches BETA. Right now I cant because it is still a little buggy and I have a road map. So if you dont see a feature dont worry there is still much stuff to put in.

But I can assure you it has no code from any other CMS... not a single line other than jquery etc in the theme. So you wont see any lawsuits.

You can say CMS are team efforts true, what makes you think I dont have a bunch of people testing it out. I am coding it alone but I do have testers looking for bugs. The fact is I have done it working less than six hours a week and it took me just two months to get it to where it is now.

Remember I also mentioned I might be making open source later in the year. I do not want to put it out in the wild then neglect it. I can only do it now during my free time so I currently put very little time into it as explained. It doesnt make sense putting up a team and then struggle to show comitment. I am very busy on other projects so I have very little spare time

It might be a big task for you to build something from scratch but not for everyone. Just the way people find it relaxing to chill in a bar and have a few drinks, I actually find it relaxing to code. I had issues with existing CMSs (joomla etc) and didnt want to deal with them so thats how this started out..

@Dennis on a light note.... what makes you think I am not aware of security issues in existing CMSs and what makes you think I will repeat the same issues, you learn from other peoples mistakes. Remember, this is still in ALPHA Development stage and so far its rather stable, even though there are a number of known bugs, some nasty in there too which will be fixed in a couple of weeks. I recently did some bench much tests with Joomla. Serving up the same data on the same server. I'm happy to say, mine runs much faster.

Steve

----- "Humphrey Ngoiya" <hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

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The biggest portion of your website is made using wordpress :-( why dint you integrate blogging into your CMS. Making a complete CMS is a team effort dude, programmers are not islands.

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Humphrey Ngoiya <hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:

I built an entire CMS by myself in second year of campus. its used by more than 10 website to date. I will not disclose the names of the websites because they are easily hackable. you just need to look at the login module for joomla and see how many vulnerabilities you have not addressed. infact if you give me permission i can highlight some security issues with your website.

...

P.S your http://www.sobbayi.com/ is a nice initiative. its nice to see

there is a quorum of 3d application developers.

...

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com>wrote:

...

@HumphreyI I respect your opinions and I also know Adobe products are solid. Its hard competing with them, all the best on your plugin.

BUT... I could not resist this one...

...

you can make your own websites if you want. but don't try make a complete CMS by yourself.

That idea is sic, I have heard it a lot on this on skunkworks and one I can tell you. I have built an entire CMS called Mozqeeto from scratch its still in Alpha and am still working on it during my free time and doing it alone. Maybe sometime in the future I will release it as open source and let others build plugins and themes. That's besides the point.

I built it as a challenge and to have better control of my products. The Engine is designed to run web apps but also works just fine for websites.

Stop discouraging innovative people from doing what they love. ps the CMS powers www.sobbayi.com

--------------------------------------- Steve Obbayi: Software Developer =======================================

----- "Paul Kevin" <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:

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Arent Skills given to people to do what they want with them. If you have nothing to give, then i guess you keep your thoughts in a safe

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Humphrey Ngoiya < hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk <hngoiya@yahoo.co..uk>> wrote:

...

...

@Philip Musyoki ADOBE IS THE INDUSTRY STANDARD when it comes to 2d and motion graphics. Its so good that the great Steve jobs had to discontinue some of apples' graphics packages as they were unable to compete with them. Infact I think thats the main reason he refuses to support Adobe flash on his Iphone and Ipad.

@paul Kevin, you can make your own websites if you want. but don't try make a complete CMS by yourself.

@Mugambi kimathi, support Chacha by downloading the app, and using it more than once.

return 0; }//this is my final word on this topic

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Mugambi Kimathi < skunkworksjahazi@gmail.com> wrote:

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If there was a change in the cosmos and a day suddenly turned out to be 26 hours I would be glad to dive into this, as it is I am too committed to ' other stuff and I would end up dragging the project Steve ----- "Paul Kevin" <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes, we should come together and make a local CMS. @Steve Obbayi, if you did that, then congrats :)

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Joram Mwinamo < joram.mwinamo@gmail.com > wrote:

why dont you all come together and put your different strengths into creating a local CMS?

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Steve Obbayi < steve@sobbayi.com > wrote:

@Humphrey, I said www.sobbayi.com (Mozqeeto) not blog.sobbayi.com (Wordpress) :) so dont mix the two. Wordpress runs on a completely seperate System and will be a seperate website in of itself in a few months So they are not related at all. I was running Wordpress before I started building this CMS. So in future I will do away with Wordpress (maybe) even though I like it.

For your information, I will be integrating blogging into the main CMS. I have scheduled it for Integration in the Engine when it reaches BETA. Right now I cant because it is still a little buggy and I have a road map. So if you dont see a feature dont worry there is still much stuff to put in..

But I can assure you it has no code from any other CMS... not a single line other than jquery etc in the theme. So you wont see any lawsuits.

You can say CMS are team efforts true, what makes you think I dont have a bunch of people testing it out. I am coding it alone but I do have testers looking for bugs. The fact is I have done it working less than six hours a week and it took me just two months to get it to where it is now.

Remember I also mentioned I might be making open source later in the year. I do not want to put it out in the wild then neglect it. I can only do it now during my free time so I currently put very little time into it as explained. It doesnt make sense putting up a team and then struggle to show comitment. I am very busy on other projects so I have very little spare time

It might be a big task for you to build something from scratch but not for everyone. Just the way people find it relaxing to chill in a bar and have a few drinks, I actually find it relaxing to code. I had issues with existing CMSs (joomla etc) and didnt want to deal with them so thats how this started out..

@Dennis on a light note.... what makes you think I am not aware of security issues in existing CMSs and what makes you think I will repeat the same issues, you learn from other peoples mistakes. Remember, this is still in ALPHA Development stage and so far its rather stable, even though there are a number of known bugs, some nasty in there too which will be fixed in a couple of weeks. I recently did some bench much tests with Joomla. Serving up the same data on the same server. I'm happy to say, mine runs much faster.

Steve

----- "Humphrey Ngoiya" < hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk > wrote:

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The biggest portion of your website is made using wordpress :-( why dint you integrate blogging into your CMS. Making a complete CMS is a team effort dude, programmers are not islands.

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Humphrey Ngoiya < hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk > wrote:

I built an entire CMS by myself in second year of campus. its used by more than 10 website to date.. I will not disclose the names of the websites because they are easily hackable. you just need to look at the login module for joomla and see how many vulnerabilities you have not addressed. infact if you give me permission i can highlight some security issues with your website.

...

P.S your http://www.sobbayi.com/ is a nice initiative. its nice to see there is a quorum of 3d application developers.

...

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Steve Obbayi < steve@sobbayi.com > wrote:

...

@HumphreyI I respect your opinions and I also know Adobe products are solid. Its hard competing with them, all the best on your plugin.

BUT... I could not resist this one...

...

you can make your own websites if you want. but don't try make a complete CMS by yourself.

That idea is sic, I have heard it a lot on this on skunkworks and one I can tell you. I have built an entire CMS called Mozqeeto from scratch its still in Alpha and am still working on it during my free time and doing it alone. Maybe sometime in the future I will release it as open source and let others build plugins and themes. That's besides the point.

I built it as a challenge and to have better control of my products. The Engine is designed to run web apps but also works just fine for websites.

Stop discouraging innovative people from doing what they love. ps the CMS powers www.sobbayi.com

--------------------------------------- Steve Obbayi: Software Developer =======================================

----- "Paul Kevin" < paultitude@gmail.com > wrote:

...

Arent Skills given to people to do what they want with them. If you have nothing to give, then i guess you keep your thoughts in a safe

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Humphrey Ngoiya < hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk > wrote:

...

...

@Philip Musyoki ADOBE IS THE INDUSTRY STANDARD when it comes to 2d and motion graphics. Its so good that the great Steve jobs had to discontinue some of apples' graphics packages as they were unable to compete with them. Infact I think thats the main reason he refuses to support Adobe flash on his Iphone and Ipad.

@paul Kevin, you can make your own websites if you want. but don't try make a complete CMS by yourself.

@Mugambi kimathi, support Chacha by downloading the app, and using it more than once.

return 0; }//this is my final word on this topic

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Mugambi Kimathi < skunkworksjahazi@gmail.com > wrote:

Mr. Chacha

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A Producer not Consumer..... Now we are moving forward.

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So, what's the first step? Volunteers? On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 5:21 PM, Humphrey Ngoiya <hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:

@Joram Mwinamo, you should not code something just because you can. Apart from recognition, what gain will the local CMS have. I would prefar to code an addon to joomla (components and modules) that benefit the current joomla usersbase. for example something like joomla social.

@Steve Obbay, even joomla, facebook, typo, wordpress and google uses code from other frameworks, like jquery, tinyMCE, just thought you should know.

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:

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why dont you all come together and put your different strengths into creating a local CMS?

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:

...

@Humphrey, I said www.sobbayi.com (Mozqeeto) not blog.sobbayi.com(Wordpress) :) so dont mix the two. Wordpress runs on a completely seperate System and will be a seperate website in of itself in a few months So they are not related at all. I was running Wordpress before I started building this CMS. So in future I will do away with Wordpress (maybe) even though I like it.

For your information, I will be integrating blogging into the main CMS. I have scheduled it for Integration in the Engine when it reaches BETA. Right now I cant because it is still a little buggy and I have a road map. So if you dont see a feature dont worry there is still much stuff to put in.

But I can assure you it has no code from any other CMS... not a single line other than jquery etc in the theme. So you wont see any lawsuits.

You can say CMS are team efforts true, what makes you think I dont have a bunch of people testing it out. I am coding it alone but I do have testers looking for bugs. The fact is I have done it working less than six hours a week and it took me just two months to get it to where it is now.

Remember I also mentioned I might be making open source later in the year. I do not want to put it out in the wild then neglect it. I can only do it now during my free time so I currently put very little time into it as explained. It doesnt make sense putting up a team and then struggle to show comitment. I am very busy on other projects so I have very little spare time

It might be a big task for you to build something from scratch but not for everyone. Just the way people find it relaxing to chill in a bar and have a few drinks, I actually find it relaxing to code. I had issues with existing CMSs (joomla etc) and didnt want to deal with them so thats how this started out..

@Dennis on a light note.... what makes you think I am not aware of security issues in existing CMSs and what makes you think I will repeat the same issues, you learn from other peoples mistakes. Remember, this is still in ALPHA Development stage and so far its rather stable, even though there are a number of known bugs, some nasty in there too which will be fixed in a couple of weeks. I recently did some bench much tests with Joomla. Serving up the same data on the same server. I'm happy to say, mine runs much faster.

Steve

----- "Humphrey Ngoiya" <hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

...

The biggest portion of your website is made using wordpress :-( why dint you integrate blogging into your CMS. Making a complete CMS is a team effort dude, programmers are not islands.

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Humphrey Ngoiya <hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:

I built an entire CMS by myself in second year of campus. its used by more than 10 website to date. I will not disclose the names of the websites because they are easily hackable. you just need to look at the login module for joomla and see how many vulnerabilities you have not addressed. infact if you give me permission i can highlight some security issues with your website.

...

P.S your http://www.sobbayi.com/ is a nice initiative. its nice to see

there is a quorum of 3d application developers.

...

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com>wrote:

...

@HumphreyI I respect your opinions and I also know Adobe products are solid. Its hard competing with them, all the best on your plugin.

BUT... I could not resist this one...

>you can make your own websites if you want. but don't try make a complete CMS by yourself.

That idea is sic, I have heard it a lot on this on skunkworks and one I can tell you. I have built an entire CMS called Mozqeeto from scratch its still in Alpha and am still working on it during my free time and doing it alone. Maybe sometime in the future I will release it as open source and let others build plugins and themes. That's besides the point.

I built it as a challenge and to have better control of my products. The Engine is designed to run web apps but also works just fine for websites.

Stop discouraging innovative people from doing what they love. ps the CMS powers www.sobbayi.com

--------------------------------------- Steve Obbayi: Software Developer =======================================

----- "Paul Kevin" <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote: > Arent Skills given to people to do what they want with them. If you have nothing to give, then i guess you keep your thoughts in a safe > > > On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Humphrey Ngoiya < hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk <hngoiya@yahoo.co..uk>> wrote: >

> > @Philip Musyoki ADOBE IS THE INDUSTRY STANDARD when it comes to 2d and motion graphics. > > Its so good that the great Steve jobs had to discontinue some of apples' graphics packages as they were unable to compete with them. Infact I think thats the main reason he refuses to support Adobe flash on his Iphone and Ipad. > > > > @paul Kevin, you can make your own websites if you want. but don't try make a complete CMS by yourself. > > > > @Mugambi kimathi, support Chacha by downloading the app, and using it more than once. > > > > return 0; > > }//this is my final word on this topic > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Mugambi Kimathi < skunkworksjahazi@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Mr. Chacha > > > > > > A Producer not Consumer..... Now we are moving forward. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Skunkworks mailing list > > > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > > > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > > > ------------ > > > Skunkworks Rules > > > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > > > ------------ > > > Other services @ http://my.co...ke <http://my.co.ke> > > >

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The answer probably lies in the following questions. Are all current CMSes perfect? Are they locally relevant? Can someone in an E Pasha center in lodwar comfortably use joomla for a local site for his Mosque which can be automatically updated by the clerk in his local language? Innovation is meeting needs in new ways previously unmet. There is probably room for many new CMSes in the world, but we are all stuck in the "everything has already been invented" mentality. On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:

So, what's the first step? Volunteers?

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 5:21 PM, Humphrey Ngoiya <hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:

...

@Joram Mwinamo, you should not code something just because you can. Apart from recognition, what gain will the local CMS have. I would prefar to code an addon to joomla (components and modules) that benefit the current joomla usersbase. for example something like joomla social.

@Steve Obbay, even joomla, facebook, typo, wordpress and google uses code from other frameworks, like jquery, tinyMCE, just thought you should know.

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:

...

why dont you all come together and put your different strengths into creating a local CMS?

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:

...

@Humphrey, I said www.sobbayi.com (Mozqeeto) not blog.sobbayi.com(Wordpress) :) so dont mix the two. Wordpress runs on a completely seperate System and will be a seperate website in of itself in a few months So they are not related at all. I was running Wordpress before I started building this CMS. So in future I will do away with Wordpress (maybe) even though I like it.

For your information, I will be integrating blogging into the main CMS. I have scheduled it for Integration in the Engine when it reaches BETA. Right now I cant because it is still a little buggy and I have a road map. So if you dont see a feature dont worry there is still much stuff to put in.

But I can assure you it has no code from any other CMS... not a single line other than jquery etc in the theme. So you wont see any lawsuits.

You can say CMS are team efforts true, what makes you think I dont have a bunch of people testing it out. I am coding it alone but I do have testers looking for bugs. The fact is I have done it working less than six hours a week and it took me just two months to get it to where it is now.

Remember I also mentioned I might be making open source later in the year. I do not want to put it out in the wild then neglect it. I can only do it now during my free time so I currently put very little time into it as explained. It doesnt make sense putting up a team and then struggle to show comitment. I am very busy on other projects so I have very little spare time

It might be a big task for you to build something from scratch but not for everyone. Just the way people find it relaxing to chill in a bar and have a few drinks, I actually find it relaxing to code. I had issues with existing CMSs (joomla etc) and didnt want to deal with them so thats how this started out..

@Dennis on a light note.... what makes you think I am not aware of security issues in existing CMSs and what makes you think I will repeat the same issues, you learn from other peoples mistakes. Remember, this is still in ALPHA Development stage and so far its rather stable, even though there are a number of known bugs, some nasty in there too which will be fixed in a couple of weeks. I recently did some bench much tests with Joomla. Serving up the same data on the same server. I'm happy to say, mine runs much faster.

Steve

----- "Humphrey Ngoiya" <hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

...

The biggest portion of your website is made using wordpress :-( why dint you integrate blogging into your CMS. Making a complete CMS is a team effort dude, programmers are not islands.

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Humphrey Ngoiya <hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

I built an entire CMS by myself in second year of campus. its used by more than 10 website to date. I will not disclose the names of the websites because they are easily hackable. you just need to look at the login module for joomla and see how many vulnerabilities you have not addressed. infact if you give me permission i can highlight some security issues with your website.

...

P.S your http://www.sobbayi.com/ is a nice initiative. its nice to see

there is a quorum of 3d application developers.

...

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com>wrote:

> @HumphreyI I respect your opinions and I also know Adobe products are solid. Its hard competing with them, all > the best on your plugin. > > BUT... I could not resist this one... > > >you can make your own websites if you want. but don't try make a complete CMS by yourself. > > That idea is sic, I have heard it a lot on this on skunkworks and one I can tell you. I have built an entire > CMS called Mozqeeto from scratch its still in Alpha and am still working on it during my free time and doing it alone. > Maybe sometime in the future I will release it as open source and let others build plugins and themes. That's besides the point. > > I built it as a challenge and to have better control of my products. The Engine is designed to run web apps but also works just fine for > websites. > > Stop discouraging innovative people from doing what they love. > ps the CMS powers www.sobbayi.com > > > > > --------------------------------------- > Steve Obbayi: Software Developer > ======================================= > > ----- "Paul Kevin" <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote: > > Arent Skills given to people to do what they want with them. If you have nothing to give, then i guess you keep your thoughts in a safe > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Humphrey Ngoiya < hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk <hngoiya@yahoo.co..uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > @Philip Musyoki ADOBE IS THE INDUSTRY STANDARD when it comes to > 2d and motion graphics. > > > Its so good that the great Steve jobs had to discontinue some of > apples' graphics packages as they were unable to compete with them. Infact I > think thats the main reason he refuses to support Adobe flash on his Iphone > and Ipad. > > > > > > @paul Kevin, you can make your own websites if you want. but > don't try make a complete CMS by yourself. > > > > > > @Mugambi kimathi, support Chacha by downloading the app, and > using it more than once. > > > > > > return 0; > > > }//this is my final word on this topic > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Mugambi Kimathi < > skunkworksjahazi@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> >> Mr. Chacha >> > > >> > > A Producer not Consumer..... Now we are moving forward. >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Skunkworks mailing list >> > > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> > > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> > > ------------ >> > > Skunkworks Rules >> > > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> > > ------------ >> > > Other services @ http://my.co...ke <http://my.co.ke> >> > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Skunkworks mailing list > > > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > > > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > > > ------------ > > > Skunkworks Rules > > > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > > > ------------ > > > Other services @ http://my.co...ke <http://my.co.ke> > > >

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Well, I find Wordpress very helpful and the definition of a flexible, fast CMS. So, We start with FEATURE DESIGN On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 6:05 PM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:

I couldnt have said it better myself

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by all means go ahead with your "BECAUSE WE CAN CMS". well at it make your "BECAUSE WE CAN OPERATING SYSTEM". (I personally know two coders who can contribute positively to this) personally I think i rather use my free time to learn Aftereffects, I hear animation costs 1000 pounds per second these days. On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 6:10 PM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:

@Peter - Hahaha. Good slogan!

Shall a new thread be dedicated to discussing our New CMS to be then?

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Maybe we can define the end goal before we start, I propose: *We are coding this CMS because we can. *Infact, whichever name we give the CMS, let the byline be *Because We Can.* On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:

So, what's the first step? Volunteers?

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 5:21 PM, Humphrey Ngoiya <hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:

...

@Joram Mwinamo, you should not code something just because you can. Apart from recognition, what gain will the local CMS have. I would prefar to code an addon to joomla (components and modules) that benefit the current joomla usersbase. for example something like joomla social.

@Steve Obbay, even joomla, facebook, typo, wordpress and google uses code from other frameworks, like jquery, tinyMCE, just thought you should know.

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:

...

why dont you all come together and put your different strengths into creating a local CMS?

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:

...

@Humphrey, I said www.sobbayi.com (Mozqeeto) not blog.sobbayi.com(Wordpress) :) so dont mix the two. Wordpress runs on a completely seperate System and will be a seperate website in of itself in a few months So they are not related at all. I was running Wordpress before I started building this CMS. So in future I will do away with Wordpress (maybe) even though I like it.

For your information, I will be integrating blogging into the main CMS. I have scheduled it for Integration in the Engine when it reaches BETA. Right now I cant because it is still a little buggy and I have a road map. So if you dont see a feature dont worry there is still much stuff to put in.

But I can assure you it has no code from any other CMS... not a single line other than jquery etc in the theme. So you wont see any lawsuits.

You can say CMS are team efforts true, what makes you think I dont have a bunch of people testing it out. I am coding it alone but I do have testers looking for bugs. The fact is I have done it working less than six hours a week and it took me just two months to get it to where it is now.

Remember I also mentioned I might be making open source later in the year. I do not want to put it out in the wild then neglect it. I can only do it now during my free time so I currently put very little time into it as explained. It doesnt make sense putting up a team and then struggle to show comitment. I am very busy on other projects so I have very little spare time

It might be a big task for you to build something from scratch but not for everyone. Just the way people find it relaxing to chill in a bar and have a few drinks, I actually find it relaxing to code. I had issues with existing CMSs (joomla etc) and didnt want to deal with them so thats how this started out..

@Dennis on a light note.... what makes you think I am not aware of security issues in existing CMSs and what makes you think I will repeat the same issues, you learn from other peoples mistakes. Remember, this is still in ALPHA Development stage and so far its rather stable, even though there are a number of known bugs, some nasty in there too which will be fixed in a couple of weeks. I recently did some bench much tests with Joomla. Serving up the same data on the same server. I'm happy to say, mine runs much faster.

Steve

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The biggest portion of your website is made using wordpress :-( why dint you integrate blogging into your CMS. Making a complete CMS is a team effort dude, programmers are not islands.

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Humphrey Ngoiya <hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

I built an entire CMS by myself in second year of campus. its used by more than 10 website to date. I will not disclose the names of the websites because they are easily hackable. you just need to look at the login module for joomla and see how many vulnerabilities you have not addressed. infact if you give me permission i can highlight some security issues with your website.

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P.S your http://www.sobbayi.com/ is a nice initiative. its nice to see

there is a quorum of 3d application developers.

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> @HumphreyI I respect your opinions and I also know Adobe products are solid. Its hard competing with them, all > the best on your plugin. > > BUT... I could not resist this one... > > >you can make your own websites if you want. but don't try make a complete CMS by yourself. > > That idea is sic, I have heard it a lot on this on skunkworks and one I can tell you. I have built an entire > CMS called Mozqeeto from scratch its still in Alpha and am still working on it during my free time and doing it alone. > Maybe sometime in the future I will release it as open source and let others build plugins and themes. That's besides the point. > > I built it as a challenge and to have better control of my products. The Engine is designed to run web apps but also works just fine for > websites. > > Stop discouraging innovative people from doing what they love. > ps the CMS powers www.sobbayi.com > > > > > --------------------------------------- > Steve Obbayi: Software Developer > ======================================= > > ----- "Paul Kevin" <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote: > > Arent Skills given to people to do what they want with them. If you have nothing to give, then i guess you keep your thoughts in a safe > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Humphrey Ngoiya < hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk <hngoiya@yahoo.co..uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > @Philip Musyoki ADOBE IS THE INDUSTRY STANDARD when it comes to > 2d and motion graphics. > > > Its so good that the great Steve jobs had to discontinue some of > apples' graphics packages as they were unable to compete with them. Infact I > think thats the main reason he refuses to support Adobe flash on his Iphone > and Ipad. > > > > > > @paul Kevin, you can make your own websites if you want. but > don't try make a complete CMS by yourself. > > > > > > @Mugambi kimathi, support Chacha by downloading the app, and > using it more than once. > > > > > > return 0; > > > }//this is my final word on this topic > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Mugambi Kimathi < > skunkworksjahazi@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> >> Mr. Chacha >> > > >> > > A Producer not Consumer..... Now we are moving forward. >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Skunkworks mailing list >> > > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> > > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> > > ------------ >> > > Skunkworks Rules >> > > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> > > ------------ >> > > Other services @ http://my.co...ke <http://my.co.ke> >> > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Skunkworks mailing list > > > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > > > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > > > ------------ > > > Skunkworks Rules > > > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > > > ------------ > > > Other services @ http://my.co...ke <http://my.co.ke> > > >

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@Humprey, Don't even compared Adobe to Apple. Apple is a great company, making great products that everyone wants to use. Adobe makes expensive buggy software. The reason Apple does not support Flash is because Flash is buggy, consumes too much powers and almost all browser crashes are caused by Flash or some other Adobe add-on. And don't bring Steve Jobs in to this. Adobe's revenue is just under 3B USD per year, while Apples is just over 165 B USD with another 60 B USD in cold hard cash. They don't need to compete. If Apple wanted it could buy Adobe with it's petty cash from the box outright or just bankrupt them.

@Musyoki - Adobe flash is nothing of what you say it is.. Research before you post @Okechukwu - Wacha uongo @Humphery - Chasys is not stupid. They have their own goals for their own products. If you feel like being their manager arrange an interview with them otherwise your comments portray alot of envy

Good people, I've followed this threat with growing amusement. In my considerably low-tech world (compared to you guys) Chacha appears to have done something remarkably monumental. His products may never compete against the mighty Adobe but just the fact the he attempted at all and came up with this is in itself outstanding. He will be on the technology segment of this week's Money Matters at 9.50pm on NTV for those who care. LARRY On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Geoffrey Mimano <soyfactor@gmail.com>wrote:

Impressive!!

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On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 4:41 PM, Humphrey Ngoiya <hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

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If (users_of(Chasys_Draw_IES) < 10)

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Printf(“EPIC FAIL!!!”);

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Just on that link there were over 5,000 downloads ...

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I've used Chasys software and was able to accomplish a great feat. If only it ran on *NIX ...... Kudos JP On 23 February 2011 17:23, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:

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He will be on the technology segment of this week's Money Matters at

9.50pm on NTV for those who care.

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Great! That's the kind of recognition Chacha deserves.

Is there any possibility of you uploading the video afterwards? Away from +254 so can't get to watch it otherwise.

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Chacha, kudos!, this one is a man i respect. He was doing code exploits when I was still taking my first cd to be formatted (I thought they worked like floppies :( ), A true trail blazer *_______________________________________________________________ its ok child, He's heard you * On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Paul Mathu <mails.mathu@gmail.com> wrote:

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I've used Chasys software and was able to accomplish a great feat. If only it ran on *NIX ...... Kudos JP

On 23 February 2011 17:23, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:

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On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Larry Madowo <larrymads@gmail.com> wrote: [...]

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He will be on the technology segment of this week's Money Matters at

9.50pm on NTV for those who care.

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Great! That's the kind of recognition Chacha deserves.

Is there any possibility of you uploading the video afterwards? Away from +254 so can't get to watch it otherwise.

BR, S

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