Have you noticed that so many sites nowadays that offer "free" software downloads always require the user to login or register before he/she can "freely" download any software? First, I don't understand how my login/registration helps them make money or whatever Secondly, most users on being required to login will most probably look for another site that doesn't require the login or registration, which beats whatever purpose they were trying to achieve.. It's frustrating coz all I want is the software then I move on with life. And what assurance do I have that they won't start sending me spam??
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Shiro Njagi<sheeroh@gmail.com> wrote:
Have you noticed that so many sites nowadays that offer "free" software downloads always require the user to login or register before he/she can "freely" download any software?
look for a working login on http://www.bugmenot.com i dont register on any such sites.
LOL...I like the site's name Bug Me Not...AMEN! Will check it out...thanks :-) On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:27 AM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info<ashok%2Bskunkworks@parliaments.info>
wrote:
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Shiro Njagi<sheeroh@gmail.com> wrote:
Have you noticed that so many sites nowadays that offer "free" software downloads always require the user to login or register before he/she can "freely" download any software?
look for a working login on http://www.bugmenot.com i dont register on any such sites. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Skunkworks announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
Well, it's ok to register if what you're getting is worth it; they have to be in business. I don't know how those who don't require registrations do it; even if they rank better on Google (mean search engines...), what next? They have no means of retaining you; what value have they gained from you? On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Shiro Njagi<sheeroh@gmail.com> wrote:
LOL...I like the site's name Bug Me Not...AMEN! Will check it out...thanks :-)
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:27 AM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Shiro Njagi<sheeroh@gmail.com> wrote:
Have you noticed that so many sites nowadays that offer "free" software downloads always require the user to login or register before he/she can "freely" download any software?
look for a working login on http://www.bugmenot.com i dont register on any such sites. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Skunkworks announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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I think that they want to get some info on who is downloading their stuff. Signing up is not too much of a 'cost' for the free download is it? 2009/7/14 Samuel Waithaka <samwaithaka@gmail.com>
Well, it's ok to register if what you're getting is worth it; they have to be in business. I don't know how those who don't require registrations do it; even if they rank better on Google (mean search engines...), what next? They have no means of retaining you; what value have they gained from you?
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Shiro Njagi<sheeroh@gmail.com> wrote:
LOL...I like the site's name Bug Me Not...AMEN! Will check it out...thanks :-)
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:27 AM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info<ashok%2Bskunkworks@parliaments.info>> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Shiro Njagi<sheeroh@gmail.com> wrote:
Have you noticed that so many sites nowadays that offer "free"
software
downloads always require the user to login or register before he/she can "freely" download any software?
look for a working login on http://www.bugmenot.com i dont register on any such sites. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Skunkworks announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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It is too much to ask because, first of all, I have to get a unique username which may take ages. Then I have to think up some password...then, wait on a confirmation email...follow url...login...then do my download... That costs precious time which I don't have And not all sites require this so how do THEY make their money? On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Gichingiri Kuria <gmail@gichingiri.com>wrote:
I think that they want to get some info on who is downloading their stuff. Signing up is not too much of a 'cost' for the free download is it?
2009/7/14 Samuel Waithaka <samwaithaka@gmail.com>
Well, it's ok to register if what you're getting is worth it; they
have to be in business. I don't know how those who don't require registrations do it; even if they rank better on Google (mean search engines...), what next? They have no means of retaining you; what value have they gained from you?
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Shiro Njagi<sheeroh@gmail.com> wrote:
LOL...I like the site's name Bug Me Not...AMEN! Will check it out...thanks :-)
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:27 AM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info<ashok%2Bskunkworks@parliaments.info>> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Shiro Njagi<sheeroh@gmail.com>
wrote:
Have you noticed that so many sites nowadays that offer "free" software downloads always require the user to login or register before he/she can "freely" download any software?
look for a working login on http://www.bugmenot.com i dont register on any such sites. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Skunkworks announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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Of course they need a list for marketing purposes; that's how they make money. But OpenId is here!! plus other technologies... so, if all the websites implement OpenId (I admit I'm yet to but will soon), the question of a 'lengthy signup' and many usernames/passwords is solved; should be a better compromise and option; On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Shiro Njagi<sheeroh@gmail.com> wrote:
It is too much to ask because, first of all, I have to get a unique username which may take ages. Then I have to think up some password...then, wait on a confirmation email...follow url...login...then do my download... That costs precious time which I don't have And not all sites require this so how do THEY make their money?
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Gichingiri Kuria <gmail@gichingiri.com> wrote:
I think that they want to get some info on who is downloading their stuff. Signing up is not too much of a 'cost' for the free download is it?
2009/7/14 Samuel Waithaka <samwaithaka@gmail.com>
Well, it's ok to register if what you're getting is worth it; they have to be in business. I don't know how those who don't require registrations do it; even if they rank better on Google (mean search engines...), what next? They have no means of retaining you; what value have they gained from you?
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Shiro Njagi<sheeroh@gmail.com> wrote:
LOL...I like the site's name Bug Me Not...AMEN! Will check it out...thanks :-)
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:27 AM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Shiro Njagi<sheeroh@gmail.com> wrote:
Have you noticed that so many sites nowadays that offer "free" software downloads always require the user to login or register before he/she can "freely" download any software?
look for a working login on http://www.bugmenot.com i dont register on any such sites. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Skunkworks announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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I dont think its about making money, its about getting some info about their users. Then when they have a large user base they can feel good about themselves. Dont you want them to feel good about themselves? 2009/7/14 Shiro Njagi <sheeroh@gmail.com>
It is too much to ask because, first of all, I have to get a unique username which may take ages. Then I have to think up some password...then, wait on a confirmation email...follow url...login...then do my download... That costs precious time which I don't have And not all sites require this so how do THEY make their money?
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Gichingiri Kuria <gmail@gichingiri.com>wrote:
I think that they want to get some info on who is downloading their stuff. Signing up is not too much of a 'cost' for the free download is it?
2009/7/14 Samuel Waithaka <samwaithaka@gmail.com>
Well, it's ok to register if what you're getting is worth it; they
have to be in business. I don't know how those who don't require registrations do it; even if they rank better on Google (mean search engines...), what next? They have no means of retaining you; what value have they gained from you?
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Shiro Njagi<sheeroh@gmail.com> wrote:
LOL...I like the site's name Bug Me Not...AMEN! Will check it out...thanks :-)
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:27 AM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info<ashok%2Bskunkworks@parliaments.info>> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Shiro Njagi<sheeroh@gmail.com>
wrote:
Have you noticed that so many sites nowadays that offer "free" software downloads always require the user to login or register before he/she can "freely" download any software?
look for a working login on http://www.bugmenot.com i dont register on any such sites. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Skunkworks announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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@Kuria...ok (grudgingly) I want them to feel good about themselves :( On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Gichingiri Kuria <gmail@gichingiri.com>wrote:
I dont think its about making money, its about getting some info about their users. Then when they have a large user base they can feel good about themselves. Dont you want them to feel good about themselves?
2009/7/14 Shiro Njagi <sheeroh@gmail.com>
It is too much to ask because, first of all, I have to get a unique
username which may take ages. Then I have to think up some password...then, wait on a confirmation email...follow url...login...then do my download... That costs precious time which I don't have And not all sites require this so how do THEY make their money?
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Gichingiri Kuria <gmail@gichingiri.com>wrote:
I think that they want to get some info on who is downloading their stuff. Signing up is not too much of a 'cost' for the free download is it?
2009/7/14 Samuel Waithaka <samwaithaka@gmail.com>
Well, it's ok to register if what you're getting is worth it; they
have to be in business. I don't know how those who don't require registrations do it; even if they rank better on Google (mean search engines...), what next? They have no means of retaining you; what value have they gained from you?
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Shiro Njagi<sheeroh@gmail.com> wrote:
LOL...I like the site's name Bug Me Not...AMEN! Will check it out...thanks :-)
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:27 AM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info<ashok%2Bskunkworks@parliaments.info>> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Shiro Njagi<sheeroh@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Have you noticed that so many sites nowadays that offer "free" software > downloads always require the user to login or register before he/she can > "freely" download any software?
look for a working login on http://www.bugmenot.com i dont register on any such sites. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Skunkworks announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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@shiro, i can think of ten reasons for them wanting you to register: 1: thats 3 (or more) pageviews for their site, and traffic is good for whoever wants to convince his (or HER) advertisers to advertise. 2: You will give them a working email address, that will register as a "hit" in their email campaigns, whether they register or not. 3: They might want to contact you in future to tell you that the free script they gave you is full of malware and has wiped out your data, so now go download another one to replace it ... 4: who said ten reasons? thats probably it, unless mna ya kuongeza. On 7/14/09, Shiro Njagi <sheeroh@gmail.com> wrote:
@Kuria...ok (grudgingly) I want them to feel good about themselves :(
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Gichingiri Kuria <gmail@gichingiri.com>wrote:
I dont think its about making money, its about getting some info about their users. Then when they have a large user base they can feel good about themselves. Dont you want them to feel good about themselves?
2009/7/14 Shiro Njagi <sheeroh@gmail.com>
It is too much to ask because, first of all, I have to get a unique
username which may take ages. Then I have to think up some password...then, wait on a confirmation email...follow url...login...then do my download... That costs precious time which I don't have And not all sites require this so how do THEY make their money?
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Gichingiri Kuria <gmail@gichingiri.com>wrote:
I think that they want to get some info on who is downloading their stuff. Signing up is not too much of a 'cost' for the free download is it?
2009/7/14 Samuel Waithaka <samwaithaka@gmail.com>
Well, it's ok to register if what you're getting is worth it; they
have to be in business. I don't know how those who don't require registrations do it; even if they rank better on Google (mean search engines...), what next? They have no means of retaining you; what value have they gained from you?
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Shiro Njagi<sheeroh@gmail.com> wrote:
LOL...I like the site's name Bug Me Not...AMEN! Will check it out...thanks :-)
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:27 AM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info<ashok%2Bskunkworks@parliaments.info>> wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Shiro Njagi<sheeroh@gmail.com> wrote: > > Have you noticed that so many sites nowadays that offer "free" software > > downloads always require the user to login or register before he/she can > > "freely" download any software? > > look for a working login on http://www.bugmenot.com i dont register on > any such sites. > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > Other lists > ------------- > Skunkworks announce: > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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Shiro, I can also add; 5. Value; a few years ago an "unconfirmed" email address could be resold for about 10 cents US, and a "confirmed" one for 25 cents US. By registering, you're "confirming" your email address and raising it's value. So there's no reassurance that it will not be resold to spammers. 6. Spambots; by registering, you're confirming that you're human, not a bot in someone's registration roll. "Captchas<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAPTCHA>" also work the same way. I think there's more negative results than positive ones for kawaida users, so BugMeNot is probably a good idea. Erick On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 5:40 AM, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
@shiro, i can think of ten reasons for them wanting you to register:
1: thats 3 (or more) pageviews for their site, and traffic is good for whoever wants to convince his (or HER) advertisers to advertise.
2: You will give them a working email address, that will register as a "hit" in their email campaigns, whether they register or not.
3: They might want to contact you in future to tell you that the free script they gave you is full of malware and has wiped out your data, so now go download another one to replace it ...
4: who said ten reasons? thats probably it, unless mna ya kuongeza.
I guess they should have switched to Open ID by now. I would rather use open ID than maintain a database of users, but again, several coders love it the hard way 2009/7/14 Erick NNN <erickarn@gmail.com>
Shiro, I can also add;
5. Value; a few years ago an "unconfirmed" email address could be resold for about 10 cents US, and a "confirmed" one for 25 cents US. By registering, you're "confirming" your email address and raising it's value. So there's no reassurance that it will not be resold to spammers.
6. Spambots; by registering, you're confirming that you're human, not a bot in someone's registration roll. "Captchas<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAPTCHA>" also work the same way.
I think there's more negative results than positive ones for kawaida users, so BugMeNot is probably a good idea.
Erick
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 5:40 AM, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
@shiro, i can think of ten reasons for them wanting you to register:
1: thats 3 (or more) pageviews for their site, and traffic is good for whoever wants to convince his (or HER) advertisers to advertise.
2: You will give them a working email address, that will register as a "hit" in their email campaigns, whether they register or not.
3: They might want to contact you in future to tell you that the free script they gave you is full of malware and has wiped out your data, so now go download another one to replace it ...
4: who said ten reasons? thats probably it, unless mna ya kuongeza.
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Hi I also hate the idea and process of registering to get the item/file I want, infact that turns me off. Furthermore they should make it an option if they want to "feel good" wikipedia does it. So no excuse for them either. Good Day. Themburu On 7/14/09, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Shiro Njagi<sheeroh@gmail.com> wrote:
It is too much to ask because, first of all, I have to get a unique username 1 word. Demographics.
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@ash, I understand the web can be quite a jungle for some... but just like any other place, people who make positive contribution are always needed; and we owe it to them. Those that contravene best practices have nothing to be proud about! I think bugmenot.com is in this category. There is definitely nothing wrong with requiring sign up if one has something of value to offer. On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Steve Muchai<smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Shiro Njagi<sheeroh@gmail.com> wrote:
It is too much to ask because, first of all, I have to get a unique username 1 word. Demographics.
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Thanks Ashok, even go a firefox addon for it <https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/6349> ;-) -----Original Message----- From: ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info Reply-to: Skunkworks forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> To: Skunkworks forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Online Registration and Login headache Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:27:43 +0300 On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Shiro Njagi<sheeroh@gmail.com> wrote:
Have you noticed that so many sites nowadays that offer "free" software downloads always require the user to login or register before he/she can "freely" download any software?
look for a working login on http://www.bugmenot.com i dont register on any such sites. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Skunkworks announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
I have a serious concern. The contents of this mailling list are being published on <http://www.afraha.com> www.afraha.com am not talking about just the message... its the fact that even email addresses, phone numbers whole shebang are being displayed on this website. Does someone know the meaning of Identity theft??????? To me there is a seriouse Security Issue here. So who is this punk thats doing this... <http://whois.domaintools.com/afraha.com> http://whois.domaintools.com/afraha.com
WTF!!! Dude is mirroring absolutely everything thats posted on skunkworks! V On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
I have a serious concern. The contents of this mailling list are being published on www.afraha.com am not talking about just the message... its the fact that even email addresses, phone numbers whole shebang are being displayed on this website.
Does someone know the meaning of Identity theft??????? To me there is a seriouse Security Issue here.
So who is this punk thats doing this... http://whois.domaintools.com/afraha.com
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Not funny - and the owner is a member of this group - could he please explain whats going on?? ./Ok3ch On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Victor Ngeny <victormaritim@gmail.com>wrote:
WTF!!! Dude is mirroring absolutely everything thats posted on skunkworks!
V
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
I have a serious concern. The contents of this mailling list are being published on www.afraha.com am not talking about just the message... its the fact that even email addresses, phone numbers whole shebang are being displayed on this website.
Does someone know the meaning of Identity theft??????? To me there is a seriouse Security Issue here.
So who is this punk thats doing this... http://whois.domaintools.com/afraha.com
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I dont like this either, all our email addresses are public. -- Δαβίδ Shelley Winters<http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/shelley_winters.html> - "Whenever you want to marry someone, go have lunch with his ex-wife."
Wasnt the communication bill signed into to law!!! we should use it? this is a gross violation of privacy. Wonder how long it has been goin on? @obbayi thanks for notifying us. 2009/7/14 David Njuki <njukey@gmail.com>
I dont like this either, all our email addresses are public.
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my guess is its been going on for two months as the archives on the website go back to June _____ From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 12:46 PM To: Skunkworks forum Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] why's this mailling list publicly available on theinternet? Wasnt the communication bill signed into to law!!! we should use it? this is a gross violation of privacy. Wonder how long it has been goin on? @obbayi thanks for notifying us. 2009/7/14 David Njuki <njukey@gmail.com> I dont like this either, all our email addresses are public. -- Δαβίδ Shelley <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/shelley_winters.html> Winters - "Whenever you want to marry someone, go have lunch with his ex-wife." _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke <http://my.co.ke/> Other lists ------------- Skunkworks announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
@ Okechukwu, who is the owner of this mailing list. It makes one want to use a pseudo. This is not a laughing matter! 2009/7/14 David Njuki <njukey@gmail.com>
I dont like this either, all our email addresses are public.
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2009/7/14 David Njuki <njukey@gmail.com>:
I dont like this either, all our email addresses are public.
the list archives are public anyway : http://lists.my.co.ke/pipermail/skunkworks/
Guilty as charged: Opinions on this vary, but for the sake of everyone, im getting it off. While the Idea was far less identity theft as to prove an idea, I apologize to all. On 7/14/09, David Njuki <njukey@gmail.com> wrote:
I dont like this either, all our email addresses are public.
-- Δαβίδ Shelley Winters<http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/shelley_winters.html> - "Whenever you want to marry someone, go have lunch with his ex-wife."
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Areba, why apologize? And to whom? For what? 2009/7/14 Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com>
Guilty as charged:
Opinions on this vary, but for the sake of everyone, im getting it off.
While the Idea was far less identity theft as to prove an idea, I apologize to all.
On 7/14/09, David Njuki <njukey@gmail.com> wrote:
I dont like this either, all our email addresses are public.
-- Δαβίδ Shelley Winters<http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/shelley_winters.html
- "Whenever you want to marry someone, go have lunch with his ex-wife."
-- If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange these apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas.
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and @ steve , @victor and @ David , the archives for the list are in the public domain anyway: http://lists.my.co.ke/pipermail/skunkworks/2009-July/subject.html contacts, emails and the works. so in any case what ive done is archive many lists with the hope that one day ill have it working seamlessly enough to be a resource to anyone interested in what guys have been discussing on the net. On 7/14/09, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
Guilty as charged:
Opinions on this vary, but for the sake of everyone, im getting it off.
While the Idea was far less identity theft as to prove an idea, I apologize to all.
On 7/14/09, David Njuki <njukey@gmail.com> wrote:
I dont like this either, all our email addresses are public.
-- Δαβίδ Shelley Winters<http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/shelley_winters.html> - "Whenever you want to marry someone, go have lunch with his ex-wife."
-- If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange these apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas.
George Bernard Shaw
-- If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange these apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas. George Bernard Shaw
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
I have a serious concern. The contents of this mailling list are being published on www.afraha.com am not talking about just the message... its the fact that even email addresses, phone numbers whole shebang are being displayed on this website.
Does someone know the meaning of Identity theft??????? To me there is a seriouse Security Issue here.
Blame it on the list administrator. This list is _very_ public. Even the archives are public. No authentication is required to access them so I wouldn't be surprised if the list content appeared elsewhere than afraha.com. For the afraha.com owner, I think s/he simply subscribed an address (no offense in doing that) and then gets the posts fed to a script which does the rest. Correct me if I am wrong but there is nothing that bars anyone from reproducing the contents on this list anywhere, or even doing *something* with the said content. Shouldn't you guys look into those aspects first before screaming about non-existent violation? :-) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
2009/7/14 Odhiambo ワシントン <odhiambo@gmail.com>
Correct me if I am wrong but there is nothing that bars anyone from reproducing the contents on this list anywhere, or even doing *something* with the said content. Shouldn't you guys look into those aspects first before screaming about non-existent violation? :-)
The problem here is did the Skunkworks moderator(s) approve the contents on SW to be 'mirrored' on afraha.com? If so, how did that happen without our knowledge. While afraha.com owner was not in any way going against privacy of individuals (maybe (s)he just wanted to make the SWs stuff known to the wider audience!) but then what is the meaning of privacy, if one can be subscribed a site/ forum without their consent? Remeber the hue and cue we had some time back when BA subsribed some of us without their consent and approval? My stuff!
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
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Archiving another forum without Admin concept is not a good idea. Afraha should explain or we take out an Offensive show down, that they will never forget. ./Chuks On 7/14/09, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
2009/7/14 Odhiambo ワシントン <odhiambo@gmail.com>
Correct me if I am wrong but there is nothing that bars anyone from reproducing the contents on this list anywhere, or even doing *something* with the said content. Shouldn't you guys look into those aspects first before screaming about non-existent violation? :-)
The problem here is did the Skunkworks moderator(s) approve the contents on SW to be 'mirrored' on afraha.com? If so, how did that happen without our knowledge.
While afraha.com owner was not in any way going against privacy of individuals (maybe (s)he just wanted to make the SWs stuff known to the wider audience!) but then what is the meaning of privacy, if one can be subscribed a site/ forum without their consent? Remeber the hue and cue we had some time back when BA subsribed some of us without their consent and approval?
My stuff!
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
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On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Steve Obbayi<steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
I have a serious concern. The contents of this mailling list are being published on www.afraha.com am not talking about just the message... its the fact that even email addresses, phone numbers whole shebang are being
email addresses, phone numbers and the whole shebang you post instantly becomes public info, since this is a public list and the archives are searchable; In short, don't have anything in your posts that you'd mind the whole world seeing. IMO, I don't see a major issue... BR, S
skunkworks moderators should come up with privacy policy, terms of use, terms and conditions, disclaimer those kind of things or does one exist? plz share On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Steve Obbayi<steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
I have a serious concern. The contents of this mailling list are being published on www.afraha.com am not talking about just the message... its the fact that even email addresses, phone numbers whole shebang are being
email addresses, phone numbers and the whole shebang you post instantly becomes public info, since this is a public list and the archives are searchable;
In short, don't have anything in your posts that you'd mind the whole world seeing. IMO, I don't see a major issue...
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Muchai & Wash, You don't see a major issue - whereas a spammer can just go to the site and harvest your email address and send you requests to buy vi*gr* which you don't even need? Even mailing list archives all over hide the email addresses to protect the group users from simple scammers - this is the issue, and if you still don't really see the issue, then allow me to share your email address which people who really need it - the scammers :-) ./Ok3ch On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Steve <sikileng@gmail.com> wrote:
skunkworks moderators should come up with privacy policy, terms of use, terms and conditions, disclaimer those kind of things or does one exist? plz share
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Steve Obbayi<steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
I have a serious concern. The contents of this mailling list are being published on www.afraha.com am not talking about just the message... its the fact that even email addresses, phone numbers whole shebang are being
email addresses, phone numbers and the whole shebang you post instantly becomes public info, since this is a public list and the archives are searchable;
In short, don't have anything in your posts that you'd mind the whole world seeing. IMO, I don't see a major issue...
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Oketch , Then the issue is with the mailing list admin and not afraha. ;) On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Muchai & Wash, You don't see a major issue - whereas a spammer can just go to the site and harvest your email address and send you requests to buy vi*gr* which you don't even need? Even mailing list archives all over hide the email addresses to protect the group users from simple scammers - this is the issue, and if you still don't really see the issue, then allow me to share your email address which people who really need it - the scammers :-) ./Ok3ch
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Steve <sikileng@gmail.com> wrote:
skunkworks moderators should come up with privacy policy, terms of use, terms and conditions, disclaimer those kind of things or does one exist? plz share
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Steve Obbayi<steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
I have a serious concern. The contents of this mailling list are being published on www.afraha.com am not talking about just the message... its the fact that even email addresses, phone numbers whole shebang are being
email addresses, phone numbers and the whole shebang you post instantly becomes public info, since this is a public list and the archives are searchable;
In short, don't have anything in your posts that you'd mind the whole world seeing. IMO, I don't see a major issue...
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wherever the problem is - email addresses MUST never be displayed the way they are displayed both the archives and on afraha - so it's like you say, Collins is picking a feed which is wrongly formatted - I think he should first boycott picking the feed until it is properly formatted - or if it, format it properly - otherwise, evil squared is still evil. ./Ok3ch On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Jacob Odada <jacob.odada@gmail.com> wrote:
Oketch , Then the issue is with the mailing list admin and not afraha. ;) On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Muchai & Wash, You don't see a major issue - whereas a spammer can just go to the site and harvest your email address and send you requests to buy vi*gr* which you don't even need? Even mailing list archives all over hide the email addresses to protect the group users from simple scammers - this is the issue, and if you still don't really see the issue, then allow me to share your email address which people who really need it - the scammers :-) ./Ok3ch
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Steve <sikileng@gmail.com> wrote:
skunkworks moderators should come up with privacy policy, terms of use, terms and conditions, disclaimer those kind of things or does one exist? plz share
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Steve Obbayi<steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
I have a serious concern. The contents of this mailling list are being published on www.afraha.com am not talking about just the message... its the fact that even email addresses, phone numbers whole shebang are being
email addresses, phone numbers and the whole shebang you post instantly becomes public info, since this is a public list and the archives are searchable;
In short, don't have anything in your posts that you'd mind the whole world seeing. IMO, I don't see a major issue...
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On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Muchai & Wash, You don't see a major issue - whereas a spammer can just go to the site and harvest your email address and send you requests to buy vi*gr* which you don't even need? Even mailing list archives all over hide the email addresses to protect the group users from simple scammers - this is the issue, and if you still don't really see the issue, then allow me to share your email address which people who really need it - the scammers :-)
Okechukwu, Even Mailman (what is used here) when not specifically configured to apply the little obfuscation it does to your e-mail address on the archives, will display your e-mail address as-is. That aside, there is nowhere (could have been part of the footer on all the posts) on this list where there's proclaimed such prohibition. What is public is public. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Okechukwu<okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Muchai & Wash, You don't see a major issue - whereas a spammer can just go to the site and
You're right, overlooked that. The feed should mask addresses..... :( BR, S
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Okechukwu<okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Muchai & Wash, You don't see a major issue - whereas a spammer can just go to the site and
You're right, overlooked that. The feed should mask addresses.....
Should, or may? :-) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
Hi, We've implemented *obscure_addresses* (privacy): on the the List Setting this option causes member email addresses to be transformed when they are presented on list web pages (both in text and as links), so they're not trivially recognizable as email addresses. The intention is to prevent the addresses from being snarfed up by automated web scanners for use by spammers. 2009/7/14 Odhiambo ワシントン <odhiambo@gmail.com>
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Okechukwu<okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Muchai & Wash, You don't see a major issue - whereas a spammer can just go to the site and
You're right, overlooked that. The feed should mask addresses.....
Should, or may? :-)
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
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-- Regards, Eric Magutu
The biggest problem IN MY OPINION as techies is the fact that we tend to be elitist. The fact that collins mirrored the content has made some of us even use curses. Apart from the fact that email addresses were displayed which is not even an issue to blame Collins, what is so wrong in the content being mirrored that some of us have to start raising legal issues concerning privacy? This is not a members only club but a forum that should serve a purpose. EDUCATION and COOPERATION 2009/7/14 Eric Magutu <emagutu@gmail.com>
Hi, We've implemented *obscure_addresses* (privacy): on the the List
Setting this option causes member email addresses to be transformed when they are presented on list web pages (both in text and as links), so they're not trivially recognizable as email addresses. The intention is to prevent the addresses from being snarfed up by automated web scanners for use by spammers.
2009/7/14 Odhiambo ワシントン <odhiambo@gmail.com>
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Okechukwu<okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Muchai & Wash, You don't see a major issue - whereas a spammer can just go to the site and
You're right, overlooked that. The feed should mask addresses.....
Should, or may? :-)
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
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-- Regards, Eric Magutu
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As i said, I am removing this as a matter of courtesy, so just hold your hoses. Ill comment on security though: 1: @ERIC: I find the security you are referring to rudimentary, two lines of code and i have all email addresses i need. If you look keenly, emails on afraha are converted to images. The Obscure addresses you are referring to are basically a "find and replace" thing, which means reverse engineering will give me the original email. Here is a quick one which gave me about 200 email addresses. a) Go to the list archives and download the .tar.gz of the list. b) open the text file: and do a find replace for " at " with "@" then do that to all and tell me what you see. Now, opensource scripts like sphider (cant remember the url) have everything ready and virtually all you need is to modify code to look for an at and replace with @ and you have everything. Onto the matter of copyright and ownership, I would love some enlightenment on ownership of content in my mailbox. esp with relation to the Media Bill. (and this is just a debate, not an expresson of impunity). @ Washington, back to you. On 7/14/09, Eric Magutu <emagutu@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, We've implemented *obscure_addresses* (privacy): on the the List
Setting this option causes member email addresses to be transformed when they are presented on list web pages (both in text and as links), so they're not trivially recognizable as email addresses. The intention is to prevent the addresses from being snarfed up by automated web scanners for use by spammers.
2009/7/14 Odhiambo ワシントン <odhiambo@gmail.com>
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Okechukwu<okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Muchai & Wash, You don't see a major issue - whereas a spammer can just go to the site and
You're right, overlooked that. The feed should mask addresses.....
Should, or may? :-)
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
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-- Regards, Eric Magutu
-- If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange these apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas. George Bernard Shaw
How about we start a new thread on privacy? What skunks want so the admins/mods can do the needful? 2009/7/14 Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com>
As i said, I am removing this as a matter of courtesy, so just hold your hoses. Ill comment on security though:
1: @ERIC: I find the security you are referring to rudimentary, two lines of code and i have all email addresses i need. If you look keenly, emails on afraha are converted to images. The Obscure addresses you are referring to are basically a "find and replace" thing, which means reverse engineering will give me the original email. Here is a quick one which gave me about 200 email addresses.
a) Go to the list archives and download the .tar.gz of the list. b) open the text file: and do a find replace for " at " with "@" then do that to all and tell me what you see.
Now, opensource scripts like sphider (cant remember the url) have everything ready and virtually all you need is to modify code to look for an at and replace with @ and you have everything.
Onto the matter of copyright and ownership, I would love some enlightenment on ownership of content in my mailbox. esp with relation to the Media Bill. (and this is just a debate, not an expresson of impunity).
@ Washington, back to you.
On 7/14/09, Eric Magutu <emagutu@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, We've implemented *obscure_addresses* (privacy): on the the List
Setting this option causes member email addresses to be transformed when they are presented on list web pages (both in text and as links), so they're not trivially recognizable as email addresses. The intention is to prevent the addresses from being snarfed up by automated web scanners for use by spammers.
2009/7/14 Odhiambo ワシントン <odhiambo@gmail.com>
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Okechukwu<okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Muchai & Wash, You don't see a major issue - whereas a spammer can just go to the
site
and
You're right, overlooked that. The feed should mask addresses.....
Should, or may? :-)
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
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-- Regards, Eric Magutu
-- If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange these apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas.
George Bernard Shaw _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Skunkworks announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
-- שִׁמְעוֹן
I am still yet to understand what the issue is. This forum according to my understanding was meant to be used by techies to share ideas and problems. That is why subscription is open to anyone. Is there anything so special about what we say that other people should not be able to see. I believe local content should be broadcasted on all available fora so that people can know Kenya has an active group of techies. I see no problem with afraha. Collins do your thing. On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Steve <sikileng@gmail.com> wrote:
skunkworks moderators should come up with privacy policy, terms of use, terms and conditions, disclaimer those kind of things or does one exist? plz share
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Steve Obbayi<steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
I have a serious concern. The contents of this mailling list are being published on www.afraha.com am not talking about just the message... its the fact that even email addresses, phone numbers whole shebang are being
email addresses, phone numbers and the whole shebang you post instantly becomes public info, since this is a public list and the archives are searchable;
In short, don't have anything in your posts that you'd mind the whole world seeing. IMO, I don't see a major issue...
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@jacob its not about the content thats the issue, its about the contact information being published openly. I can bet you if this goes on long enough that website will become an internet scammers haven Steve Obbayi, _____ From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Jacob Odada Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 2:39 PM To: Skunkworks forum Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] why's this mailling list publicly available on theinternet? I am still yet to understand what the issue is. This forum according to my understanding was meant to be used by techies to share ideas and problems. That is why subscription is open to anyone. Is there anything so special about what we say that other people should not be able to see. I believe local content should be broadcasted on all available fora so that people can know Kenya has an active group of techies. I see no problem with afraha. Collins do your thing. On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Steve <sikileng@gmail.com> wrote: skunkworks moderators should come up with privacy policy, terms of use, terms and conditions, disclaimer those kind of things or does one exist? plz share On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote: On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Steve Obbayi<steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
I have a serious concern. The contents of this mailling list are being published on www.afraha.com <http://www.afraha.com/> am not talking about just the message... its the fact that even email addresses, phone numbers whole shebang are being
email addresses, phone numbers and the whole shebang you post instantly becomes public info, since this is a public list and the archives are searchable; In short, don't have anything in your posts that you'd mind the whole world seeing. IMO, I don't see a major issue... BR, S _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke <http://my.co.ke/> Other lists ------------- Skunkworks announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Skunkworks announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
I noticed the mirror a while ago but only contacted the publisher yesterday. If you ask me? All that Collins is doing is what many others do out there but they never let the world know about it. On this list we have 'researchers', telcos reps, software marketers, , developers, websites marketers, ... even politicians - big deal! Somebody said that the best way to treat 'privacy' on public e-spaces is: "Put down in e-form only that which you can repeat in front of your mother, or write down on a post card" nice an simple. Therefore, next time you a re sending that SMS or email, ask yourself "can I repeat this in front of my mother?" should do the trick :) Relax guys, Alex On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Steve Obbayi<steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
I have a serious concern. The contents of this mailling list are being published on www.afraha.com am not talking about just the message... its the fact that even email addresses, phone numbers whole shebang are being displayed on this website.
Does someone know the meaning of Identity theft??????? To me there is a seriouse Security Issue here.
So who is this punk thats doing this... http://whois.domaintools.com/afraha.com _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Skunkworks announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
Isn't the whole point of Skunkworks sharing information widely? So why all these calls for the admins heads? It's like some people here want a third envelope forwarded to Ocampo! Everything you share on here is meant to be exactly that - shared! For crying out loud, this list even has RSS Feeds if I remember correctly. OK the point about email harvesters is valid - but all the noise about restricting the archives is very dangerous. Most posters seem to understand this already, there are numerous posts where the person writing the email says "I have noticed something dangerous/illegal etc but I will not post the link" or they attack coding problems from Proof of Concept angles rather than taking down the whole of .ke! So relax and yes we do expect you to stand by your words! Accountability! On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>wrote:
I noticed the mirror a while ago but only contacted the publisher yesterday. If you ask me? All that Collins is doing is what many others do out there but they never let the world know about it. On this list we have 'researchers', telcos reps, software marketers, , developers, websites marketers, ... even politicians - big deal!
Somebody said that the best way to treat 'privacy' on public e-spaces is: "Put down in e-form only that which you can repeat in front of your mother, or write down on a post card" nice an simple. Therefore, next time you a re sending that SMS or email, ask yourself "can I repeat this in front of my mother?" should do the trick :)
Relax guys,
Alex
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Steve Obbayi<steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
I have a serious concern. The contents of this mailling list are being published on www.afraha.com am not talking about just the message... its the fact that even email addresses, phone numbers whole shebang are being displayed on this website.
Does someone know the meaning of Identity theft??????? To me there is a seriouse Security Issue here.
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@Were In a sense you are right, but information, in this context doesn't include my contact details. Besides, the people interested in obtaining this information should subscribe to the list, rather than get it from 'backdoor' sources. My 100 cents worth.. [I'm not so cheap as to give two cents!!!] Rgds, Me. 2009/7/15 Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com>
Isn't the whole point of Skunkworks sharing information widely? So why all these calls for the admins heads? It's like some people here want a third envelope forwarded to Ocampo! Everything you share on here is meant to be exactly that - shared! For crying out loud, this list even has RSS Feeds if I remember correctly.
OK the point about email harvesters is valid - but all the noise about restricting the archives is very dangerous.
Most posters seem to understand this already, there are numerous posts where the person writing the email says "I have noticed something dangerous/illegal etc but I will not post the link" or they attack coding problems from Proof of Concept angles rather than taking down the whole of .ke!
So relax and yes we do expect you to stand by your words! Accountability!
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>wrote:
I noticed the mirror a while ago but only contacted the publisher yesterday. If you ask me? All that Collins is doing is what many others do out there but they never let the world know about it. On this list we have 'researchers', telcos reps, software marketers, , developers, websites marketers, ... even politicians - big deal!
Somebody said that the best way to treat 'privacy' on public e-spaces is: "Put down in e-form only that which you can repeat in front of your mother, or write down on a post card" nice an simple. Therefore, next time you a re sending that SMS or email, ask yourself "can I repeat this in front of my mother?" should do the trick :)
Relax guys,
Alex
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Steve Obbayi<steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
I have a serious concern. The contents of this mailling list are being published on www.afraha.com am not talking about just the message... its the fact that even email addresses, phone numbers whole shebang are being displayed on this website.
Does someone know the meaning of Identity theft??????? To me there is a seriouse Security Issue here.
So who is this punk thats doing this... http://whois.domaintools.com/afraha.com _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Skunkworks announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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