- How much do the jams in Nairobi's CBD cost the economy (either as a fraction of GDP or in KShs)? Saidi
I'd love to know that too...coz I believe we losing tonnes !!! On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:21 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
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Cant remember for sure but some study suggested something like 3B a month? In fuel and time.... On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 6:35 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>wrote:
I'd love to know that too...coz I believe we losing tonnes !!!
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On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 8:29 AM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
Cant remember for sure but some study suggested something like 3B a month? In fuel and time....
I remember this study too. I bet as the cost of fuel fluctuates, so is the figure, because fuel consumption was a major factor. The "time" part of the calculation should be almost constant if the factors that were considered aren't changing. <http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general> -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
An average Nairobian stays in a jam for two hours on a normal working day. Depending on your car How much will you spend on fuel for the two hours you are in a jam? How much space are you accupying with your car?(Distance from one car to the next) How many passengers in your car? How much can you achieve in two hours?(1:: Read a whole bunch of newspapers, 2::Read all your emails(Assuming you have like 50 of them) 3::Pray and read (for Christians)-a whole book(eg Romans))).
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:21 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
- How much do the jams in Nairobi's CBD cost the economy (either as a fraction of GDP or in KShs)? Saidi
A better question would be why are the traffic jams worse without any matatus on the road -- despite everyone blaming them for traffic jams ?
Shows how many pple with cars leave them at home!!!! On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 4:31 PM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:21 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
- How much do the jams in Nairobi's CBD cost the economy (either as a fraction of GDP or in KShs)? Saidi
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Or how incorrect those who blame matatus are On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>wrote:
Shows how many pple with cars leave them at home!!!!
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 4:31 PM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info<ashok%2Bskunkworks@parliaments.info>> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:21 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
- How much do the jams in Nairobi's CBD cost the economy (either as a fraction of GDP or in KShs)? Saidi
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This is very approximate - but you'll get the idea: A car, carrying average 2 people, with a ground area of 8 square metres, needs 4 sq m per person A nissan matatu, carrying 14, area 10 sq m, only uses 0.7 sq m per person So - matatus are about 6 times more efficient at moving people than cars. Happy New Year to all :) Tony 2010/1/5 Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>:
Or how incorrect those who blame matatus are
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
Shows how many pple with cars leave them at home!!!!
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 4:31 PM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:21 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
- How much do the jams in Nairobi's CBD cost the economy (either as a fraction of GDP or in KShs)? Saidi
A better question would be why are the traffic jams worse without any matatus on the road -- despite everyone blaming them for traffic jams ? _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
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Then why not use Big busses and reduce the Sq footage even more? Or Light rail, oh heck if we are lucky we might get to see fully fledged passenger trains! Which reminds me , i saw a tender in the papers for a rail provider to be completed 2011.....sigh On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 8:46 PM, Tony White <tony.mzungu@gmail.com> wrote:
This is very approximate - but you'll get the idea:
A car, carrying average 2 people, with a ground area of 8 square metres, needs 4 sq m per person A nissan matatu, carrying 14, area 10 sq m, only uses 0.7 sq m per person
So - matatus are about 6 times more efficient at moving people than cars.
Happy New Year to all :)
Tony
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Or how incorrect those who blame matatus are
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
Shows how many pple with cars leave them at home!!!!
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 4:31 PM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info<ashok%2Bskunkworks@parliaments.info>
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On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:21 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
- How much do the jams in Nairobi's CBD cost the economy (either as a fraction of GDP or in KShs)? Saidi
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According to a former/current NCC Town Clerk (in an article a few years back): - average occupancy for private cars in Nairobi is 1.2 - private cars make up about 70% of the traffic in Nairobi I once thought of creating a neighbourhood-based, SMS-verificiation carpool application so avg. occupancy can be pushed-up (and costs for car owners pushed down). But a friend told me Nairobians will never share their cars, not even with their neighbours (even if it benefits the car owner as well). The reasons were many, but chief among them was the "dilution of status". I don't know how true this is but it sorta made sense and promptly discouraged the idea. For car-owners with occupancy < 2 ... what's your perspective on this? Saidi On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Tony White <tony.mzungu@gmail.com> wrote:
This is very approximate - but you'll get the idea:
A car, carrying average 2 people, with a ground area of 8 square metres, needs 4 sq m per person A nissan matatu, carrying 14, area 10 sq m, only uses 0.7 sq m per person
So - matatus are about 6 times more efficient at moving people than cars.
Happy New Year to all :)
Tony
2010/1/5 Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>:
Or how incorrect those who blame matatus are
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
Shows how many pple with cars leave them at home!!!!
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 4:31 PM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info<ashok%2Bskunkworks@parliaments.info>
wrote:
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:21 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
- How much do the jams in Nairobi's CBD cost the economy (either as a fraction of GDP or in KShs)? Saidi
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city dynamics have also changed significantly in the recent past. I always want to give neighbours a lift, but we all work in ten different directions, destination city center is no more.... On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 9:28 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
According to a former/current NCC Town Clerk (in an article a few years back):
- average occupancy for private cars in Nairobi is 1.2 - private cars make up about 70% of the traffic in Nairobi
I once thought of creating a neighbourhood-based, SMS-verificiation carpool application so avg. occupancy can be pushed-up (and costs for car owners pushed down). But a friend told me Nairobians will never share their cars, not even with their neighbours (even if it benefits the car owner as well). The reasons were many, but chief among them was the "dilution of status". I don't know how true this is but it sorta made sense and promptly discouraged the idea.
For car-owners with occupancy < 2 ... what's your perspective on this?
Saidi
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Tony White <tony.mzungu@gmail.com> wrote:
This is very approximate - but you'll get the idea:
A car, carrying average 2 people, with a ground area of 8 square metres, needs 4 sq m per person A nissan matatu, carrying 14, area 10 sq m, only uses 0.7 sq m per person
So - matatus are about 6 times more efficient at moving people than cars.
Happy New Year to all :)
Tony
2010/1/5 Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>:
Or how incorrect those who blame matatus are
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com
wrote:
Shows how many pple with cars leave them at home!!!!
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 4:31 PM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info<ashok%2Bskunkworks@parliaments.info>
wrote:
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:21 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
- How much do the jams in Nairobi's CBD cost the economy (either as a fraction of GDP or in KShs)? Saidi
A better question would be why are the traffic jams worse without any matatus on the road -- despite everyone blaming them for traffic jams ? _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
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On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 9:28 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
I once thought of creating a neighbourhood-based, SMS-verificiation carpool application so avg. occupancy can be pushed-up (and costs for car owners pushed down). But a friend told me Nairobians will never share their cars, not even with their neighbours (even if it benefits the car owner as well). The reasons were many, but chief among them was the "dilution of status".
I agree with the "dilution of status" theory -- also perhaps a reason why motorcycle usage is very low as a means for personal transport.
Motocycle travelling in nairobi city is suicidal,i would ride but ive lost a few pals .Motorists seem not to respect motorcyclists in kenya you have to be brave. Plus the council has restrictions on PSV motocycles in the city center..... On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 9:19 AM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info<ashok%2Bskunkworks@parliaments.info>
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I once thought of creating a neighbourhood-based, SMS-verificiation carpool application so avg. occupancy can be pushed-up (and costs for car owners pushed down). But a friend told me Nairobians will never share their cars, not even with their neighbours (even if it benefits the car owner as well). The reasons were many, but chief among them was the "dilution of status".
I agree with the "dilution of status" theory -- also perhaps a reason why motorcycle usage is very low as a means for personal transport. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
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On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:
Motocycle travelling in nairobi city is suicidal,i would ride but ive lost a few pals .Motorists seem not to respect motorcyclists in kenya you have to be brave.
It isnt really suicidal if you don't drive in a suicidal manner (many PSV motorcycle riders do drive like that). How do you explain large scale adoption of motorcycles in cities of other developing nations with more homicidal traffic ?
Plus the council has restrictions on PSV motocycles in the city center.....
is that so ? i use a motorbike most of the time -- i have never had a problem with the city council (though my motorbike is not a PSV :-) )
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On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:
Motocycle travelling in nairobi city is suicidal,i would ride but ive lost a few pals .Motorists seem not to respect motorcyclists in kenya you have to be brave.
It isnt really suicidal if you don't drive in a suicidal manner (many PSV motorcycle riders do drive like that). How do you explain large scale adoption of motorcycles in cities of other developing nations with more homicidal traffic ?
Plus the council has restrictions on PSV motocycles in the city center.....
refer to PSV part, ie no boda bodas in nairobi like in kampala. A relative tried to introduce them and met barriers.
is that so ? i use a motorbike most of the time -- i have never had a problem with the city council (though my motorbike is not a PSV :-) ) _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
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@ Saidi, Consider this "You text for a plumber in Umoja to a number, you get a list of persons near/and or in Umoja who are plumbers. How will you verify that they are what they say they are ?" Carpools are a bit complicated in Kenya Especially when you don't know your neighbour at all. How can you know whether you are being carried by a thug and/or carrying a thug? A carpool app, can help ease traffic jams in Kenya, only that you just don't know whom to trust.
@ongera, i disagree, - 4 of my neighbours have cars (nissan van, mitsubishi double-cab, suzuki vitara, toyota g-touring) - they have lived together (as neighbours) for minimum 3 years, spend lots of weekends together, so they must know each other pretty well - yet each day, the four vehicles will be stuck in jams - (nissan: 1 pax (dere pekee), mits dcab: 2 pax, suzuki: 1 pax, toyota: 2 pax). sad FACT: they all work in the CBD. - the disinterest in carpools has more to do with status (or its dilution) than (lack of) trust or any other silly excuse. ~ imo ~ On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Clement Ongera <cnongera@gmail.com> wrote:
@ Saidi, Consider this "You text for a plumber in Umoja to a number, you get a list of persons near/and or in Umoja who are plumbers. How will you verify that they are what they say they are ?"
Carpools are a bit complicated in Kenya Especially when you don't know your neighbour at all. How can you know whether you are being carried by a thug and/or carrying a thug?
A carpool app, can help ease traffic jams in Kenya, only that you just don't know whom to trust. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
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I disagree Many times after work i prefer to be flexible to pass by a friends, joint or shop. If i carpool, this flexibility is taken away. That i believe is more a factor than dilution. Ive never minded giving a neighbour a lift. When i moved in i would try and realised everyone doesnt work in my direction so it was pointless to offe On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:37 PM, MotoBaridi <motobaridi@gmail.com> wrote:
@ongera, i disagree, - 4 of my neighbours have cars (nissan van, mitsubishi double-cab, suzuki vitara, toyota g-touring) - they have lived together (as neighbours) for minimum 3 years, spend lots of weekends together, so they must know each other pretty well - yet each day, the four vehicles will be stuck in jams - (nissan: 1 pax (dere pekee), mits dcab: 2 pax, suzuki: 1 pax, toyota: 2 pax). sad FACT: they all work in the CBD.
- the disinterest in carpools has more to do with status (or its dilution) than (lack of) trust or any other silly excuse.
~ imo ~
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Clement Ongera <cnongera@gmail.com>wrote:
@ Saidi, Consider this "You text for a plumber in Umoja to a number, you get a list of persons near/and or in Umoja who are plumbers. How will you verify that they are what they say they are ?"
Carpools are a bit complicated in Kenya Especially when you don't know your neighbour at all. How can you know whether you are being carried by a thug and/or carrying a thug?
A carpool app, can help ease traffic jams in Kenya, only that you just don't know whom to trust. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
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-- Sent from my Voice Recognition Watch© -------------------------------------------------------------------- God is not an excuse for lack of discipline -------------------------------------------------------------------- Our greatest fear is not that we are inadequate,but that we are powerful beyond measure.It is our light, not our darkness, that frightens us.There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you.As we let our own light shine, we consciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our fear,our presence automatically liberates others.
I use a motorbike on weekdays for work errands and drive on weekends. Most of the cars I pass 'parked' on the road usually have 1 person in it. A motorbike is not suicidal, would you refuse to take a bath out of the fear of slipping in the tub? Yes it has its risks but is cheaper to use than a bus and more convinient than a car. On 1/6/10, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:
I disagree
Many times after work i prefer to be flexible to pass by a friends, joint or shop. If i carpool, this flexibility is taken away. That i believe is more a factor than dilution. Ive never minded giving a neighbour a lift. When i moved in i would try and realised everyone doesnt work in my direction so it was pointless to offe
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:37 PM, MotoBaridi <motobaridi@gmail.com> wrote:
@ongera, i disagree, - 4 of my neighbours have cars (nissan van, mitsubishi double-cab, suzuki vitara, toyota g-touring) - they have lived together (as neighbours) for minimum 3 years, spend lots of weekends together, so they must know each other pretty well - yet each day, the four vehicles will be stuck in jams - (nissan: 1 pax (dere pekee), mits dcab: 2 pax, suzuki: 1 pax, toyota: 2 pax). sad FACT: they all work in the CBD.
- the disinterest in carpools has more to do with status (or its dilution) than (lack of) trust or any other silly excuse.
~ imo ~
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Clement Ongera <cnongera@gmail.com>wrote:
@ Saidi, Consider this "You text for a plumber in Umoja to a number, you get a list of persons near/and or in Umoja who are plumbers. How will you verify that they are what they say they are ?"
Carpools are a bit complicated in Kenya Especially when you don't know your neighbour at all. How can you know whether you are being carried by a thug and/or carrying a thug?
A carpool app, can help ease traffic jams in Kenya, only that you just don't know whom to trust. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
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