New subject: [Skunkworks] Internship Opportunity

7 May 2012

Look this is the issue, we can't wait for a broken system to fix itself.

As a student, landing a great internship is not easy. Waiting to be
'placed' by a university is crazy talk. A few companies have programs to
handle this. most don't. Personally I'd advise people seeking internships
earlier in their careers to take on the ones with the most/best exposure
and chances for 'luck' and serendipitous encounters. overlook the cash for
a while.

Seek out well connected individuals/companies and ask to help them with
something, identify a problem, help them solve it if you can or help them
get someone you know can fix it really well; yes even for no pay. Show and
add some value. And yes I know people with great attitudes and outlook that
got jobs this way.

Gitau

On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 6:30 PM, [J'Alego Karuoth Nyakwar Osuma] <
drmattmca@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think its upon the colleges to come up with ways to mitigate pay issue
> - internship is one of the curricula requirements in most colleges and
> usually paid for. If a Lecturer is paid to make follow ups on attachees why
> not the institutional supervisors tasked to mentor??
>
> I guess S/He who seeks knowledge gains alot careerwise s/he who looks for
> pay has all priorities wrong in life - a bumpy road many never succeed in.
>
> It consumes alot of ones time supervising interns most of whom are just
> jokers with no direction in life, bad attitude; I do wonder if this forms
> part of ones JD.
>
> These are chances that open up opportunities to many better the devil you
> know within than the angels picked randomly...
>
> Its time supervisors are paid for teaching , knowledge transfer ,
> supervision etc.
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 7:50 PM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> no actually you're wrong. let me give an example. I am a consultant. I
>> could get a project that I think an intern could learn from maybe designing
>> a network or migrating from one protocol to another eg (ospf to ISIS) or
>> implementing IPv6 for a network. All highly valuable skills and experiences.
>>
>> I might actually not have money to pay someone, might not even need one
>> but decide to work with an intern with potential that I have identified
>> maybe at one of our meetings for them to get the experience.
>>
>> I wont get into an argument on what is right or wrong, what I can tell
>> you is THAT experience would be worthwhile, and whether or not I pay the
>> intern I still believe it would do more for them in the future than a paid
>> internship as a guy that pulls cables somewhere. these are just examples.
>>
>> It is total arrogance to assume you can sit on the sidelines of a debate
>> like this and make judgement. It is very subjective.
>>
>> gitau
>>
>> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 4:30 PM, steve kyengo <k.stevo08@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> And if you can't pay an intern then you not in a position of having one
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:10 AM, ThomasI  Kibui <thomas.kibui@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> We live in a democratic environment..
>>>>
>>>> Those who can afford and would like to pay the intern.. please feel
>>>> free to do so...
>>>>
>>>> Those who cannot afford or those who are againist paying the intern for
>>>> some reason or another ..  don't pay and don't feel guilty its your right
>>>> to do as you please...
>>>>
>>>> simple..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8 May 2012 09:19, Tech List Kenya <techlistkenya@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I believe if an student comes to your company looking for internship
>>>>> then it may make sense not to pay him.
>>>>>
>>>>> But where you actually advertise, and are looking for experience, as
>>>>> is in this case, then its clear you are not looking for a raw beginner
>>>>> just so that you can offer him/her training facilities (in which case
>>>>> you even have a right to charge him)
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a case where the company is a few hands short for a temporary
>>>>> yet not fixed period and is seeking to fill that vacancy.
>>>>>
>>>>> They should consider some sort of stipend. Some might even call it
>>>>> remuneration.
>>>>>
>>>>> My thoughts
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/8/12, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> > Am in agreement with Collins & Wash on this - If an internship is
>>>>> required
>>>>> > for you to complete your studies, then the school should actually
>>>>> give you
>>>>> > money to complete your internship - I remember way back we were given
>>>>> > 6,500/- which was never paid back (not a loan). The company is
>>>>> therefore at
>>>>> > their discretion to pay you. I also remember a company like Kenya
>>>>> Railways
>>>>> > used to charge the student for internship since they had the best
>>>>> workshops
>>>>> > in the country and to use it you had to pay them!
>>>>> > However, as an employer, I also advocate for giving something small
>>>>> - but
>>>>> > at your discretion and not a right!
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > ./Ok3ch
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Collins Areba
>>>>> > <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> actually, Internship / attachment is usually a difficult time in a
>>>>> >> students career especially where (as is the case with most courses)
>>>>> it is
>>>>> >> an integral part of completing your academic studies. In most
>>>>> instances
>>>>> >> institutions organize for this, and in our days they even used to
>>>>> arrange
>>>>> >> for a "stipend" directly with the student.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I would however say the "intern" bein looked for by Norman above is
>>>>> >> actually cheap labour, which could be wrong. Unless of course there
>>>>> is
>>>>> >> stuff to be learnt thats of a unique and invaluable nature.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 11:56 PM, ndungu stephen
>>>>> >> <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> @ Collins
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> You did not address those who cannot afford.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> I remember during my internship i used to share some of my funds
>>>>> with
>>>>> >>> the
>>>>> >>> cleaners when i found them at the bus stop - apparently waiting
>>>>> for 5
>>>>> >>> bob
>>>>> >>> fares past 10pm, when the matatu was shouting 30 bob.
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