Re: [Skunkworks] OUT-OF-TOPIC: Kenya a Failed State...?
just checked the wiki on failed states and it is embarassing for .KE to make it on such a list together with Somalia, Zim, Iraq amongst others! Fact is - even if we were not black-listed - there's so much international mileage Kenya lost during the 200/8 fracas. Evidence is there when one compares the respect the Kenyan passport holders used to be accorded at international airports - before and after 2007/8 . The difference is huge - and ofcourse in the negative direction. How sad - cry the beloved nation. walu. --- On Tue, 7/7/09, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote: From: Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] OUT-OF-TOPIC: Kenya a Failed State...? To: motobaridi@gmail.com, "Skunkworks forum" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 10:27 AM What happens if all donor funding etc is pulled out? Do we have enough resources to cater for ourselves as a nation? I think that may be the simplest definition of the same... On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 9:23 AM, MotoBaridi <motobaridi@gmail.com> wrote: @saidimu, i beg to differ... the warring somalis do not consider theirs a failed state, and neither do they care what the rest of the world thinks... that doesnt change the facts: we all KNOW somalia IS A FAILED STATE... moral? in this day and age, what others think about you as a state plays a pretty big part in your existence and/or well-being... yes, from a "patriotic" (term used loosely) point of view, we are not a failed state, yet... from a global perspective (relative to so many other states), we are a failed state... (actually, 2 years past point of failure) </motobaridi> On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote: I have always maintained that we are surely a failed state. The minute we realize this, then we can wake up and do something about it, but when we continue arguing whether we are a failed state or not, we will remain a failed state. The definition is a country with the following characteristics: loss of physical control of its territory, or of the monopoly on the legitimate use of physical force therein (YES) erosion of legitimate authority to make collective decisions, (YES) an inability to provide reasonable public services, and (YES) an inability to interact with other states as a full member of the international community. (Maybe) So we have 3outof4 outright YES, unless someone can give a NO and provide proof. ./Ok3ch On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 6:55 AM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote: True, caring about others' opinions is a natural response, but not necessarily a helpful one. Again I ask, so what if Tz, Ug, Rw etc notice? As long as we're doing our thing, and doing it right, then "they" can't "capitalise" on "it". Unfortunately, and this has been my observation for a very long time, Kenyans are too prickly and thin-skinned. We spend way too much time glancing at our neighbours' reactions than on putting out the flames right on our front doorstep. We also spend way too little time taking stock of our strengths and maximizing that. Just being successful isn't a recipe for being liked either, you may get more envy than approval. In short, human approval/disapproval is an inexact science, if a science at all. You're better of spending your scarce resources doing the right thing, whatever that may be for you. On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Tech List Kenya <techlistkenya@gmail.com> wrote: Saidimu, I will stick my neck out and tell u that it doesn't work that way. Contrary to popular belief, we all care what others think. And Kenya does not live in a vacuum. Its global times we live in and when it is reported that Kenya is a failed state, countries like Tz, ug, rw, etc will notice. And will try to capitalise on it. Meanwhile we bury our heads in the comfort of familiarity because "it works". I cant say I knw how exactly it will affect me. But I am sure you and I will notice the effect(s). Whether or not we acknowledge it is a whole different story On 7/6/09, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
How about this: forget about what others think of your country.
The question is: is it working for you? If it isn't, fix it. If it is, who
cares what others think?
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
Listers,
I was just going through the Foreign Policy
<http://www.foreignpolicy.com>website and in their current newsletter,
Failed
state
Index<http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2009/06/22/the_2009_failed_states_index>Kenya
is considered as one of the Failed States.
Then according to Wikipaedia (Failed States
Index<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Failed_States_Index>)
Kenya is a country on the verge of being considered a failed state,
actually, we are placed on the alert level
I wonder how much patriotic we can to change this state of event!
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And the failed state status we have is not just because of the 2008 conflict, it is also the way we have been conducting state affairs since 2008. From coalition's that don,t work for the benefit of the Kenyan public to the increase of insecurity etc etc read up on indicators for failed states...its quite sad. But it is upon us all to do something about it, in whatever way we can. Mere talk, discussions, committees to do this or the other... Are no longer a viable solution. Everyone has a responsibility to bring our beloved country back to sanity. Best Alice -----Original Message----- From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 23:57:57 To: <motobaridi@gmail.com>; Skunkworks forum<skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] OUT-OF-TOPIC: Kenya a Failed State...? _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Skunkworks announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
how do we get started? On Jul 7, 2009, at 10:24 AM, alice munyua wrote:
And the failed state status we have is not just because of the 2008 conflict, it is also the way we have been conducting state affairs since 2008. From coalition's that don,t work for the benefit of the Kenyan public to the increase of insecurity etc etc read up on indicators for failed states...its quite sad. But it is upon us all to do something about it, in whatever way we can. Mere talk, discussions, committees to do this or the other... Are no longer a viable solution. Everyone has a responsibility to bring our beloved country back to sanity. Best Alice
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I am a believer that all people get a leadership they deserver! Kenyans have suffered for long, sad, yes, but it has had a negative effect since they have developed adaptation mechanisms that are slimy and shrewd. Bribing police is no longer a vice, it's all in a day's work. Matatu drivers are forced to drive dangerously (many time on pedestrian sidewalks) as they try and raise the amount quoted by their greedy bosses. The list gets longer and longer.... Our honorable rats posing in parliament are just a replica of the common mwananchi but a level higher. -- Regards Martin
kariuki Kibaki has destroyed Kenya with his greed and I dont care attitude. Kenyans must rise up and do what the Hondurans did. Take their country and chase him out. Kibaki has destroyed Kenya. On 7/7/09, Kariuki Martin <martinkariuki7@gmail.com> wrote:
I am a believer that all people get a leadership they deserver! Kenyans have suffered for long, sad, yes, but it has had a negative effect since they have developed adaptation mechanisms that are slimy and shrewd. Bribing police is no longer a vice, it's all in a day's work. Matatu drivers are forced to drive dangerously (many time on pedestrian sidewalks) as they try and raise the amount quoted by their greedy bosses. The list gets longer and longer.... Our honorable rats posing in parliament are just a replica of the common mwananchi but a level higher. -- Regards Martin
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Hi all. Here is a little of my view of this country. Pardon me if my language touches where its not meant to but I would say that it angers me to even think of where we are and where we could have been. Just read the lines by Mike and decided to go through the entire thread which I had ignored for my own reasons. Politically, we are a mess. There is no equality or justice anywhere. There is no proper distribution of resources. The political system is a mess. There is no single politician we can point out as a proper candidate for the top job in the next season. We are at a crisis. In 2002, we had so much hope and the whole world was watching. We gave the enemy what he wanted to see, we f*(*(Ked up. We are busy blaming Kibaki, Raila and all the politicians, while we actually give them the chance to mess us up. They call 50 year olds young and we agree to it. We are the reason we are a mess. This government has done what it knows how to do and apparently that is messing up. I challenge us to get ourselves a new candidate. A change. A reason to move and make a difference in africa and the world. We have been taught to spit on each other because of our tribal differences. We have forgotten that we are together, under the same government because we are Kenyans. We have a course to change this Nation in the next few years. It doesnt take much, all it needs is commitment to the changes and the will to sacrifice our selfish needs for the needs of the country. I am a father of 2 little girls, if this country is messed up now, i wanna make it better for them. Maybe a lot of us can afford the best things in life, live in the uptown where its safe and secure but my question is, can we get Kasarani, Zimmerman, Komarock, Kayole, Umoja, Mathare...etc to get the same? I have been in Tanzania for the last one month and my friends, its a SAFE country. The president is LOVED by the people. They may be slow but I really admire them. That is why they rank way better than Kenya in this. Take a challenge from me, do what you do at the best you can and make a difference. Just so you know, am 29, father of Charlene (5 and a half years old) and Charnele (Turning 3 soon). At 35, I plan to be a part of the change, actively. For now, I plan to be part of the change on a second level. Come with me. David Mugo. On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:50 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:
kariuki
Kibaki has destroyed Kenya with his greed and I dont care attitude. Kenyans must rise up and do what the Hondurans did. Take their country and chase him out. Kibaki has destroyed Kenya.
On 7/7/09, Kariuki Martin <martinkariuki7@gmail.com> wrote:
I am a believer that all people get a leadership they deserver! Kenyans have suffered for long, sad, yes, but it has had a negative effect since they have developed adaptation mechanisms that are slimy and shrewd. Bribing police is no longer a vice, it's all in a day's work. Matatu drivers are forced to drive dangerously (many time on pedestrian sidewalks) as they try and raise the amount quoted by their greedy bosses. The list gets longer and longer.... Our honorable rats posing in parliament are just a replica of the common mwananchi but a level higher. -- Regards Martin
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David The intention of Kibaki is to use people like u to have himself and others blamed equally. The truth is that Kibaki and his hardliners are the ones to blame and the more he makes us think that him and Raila command the army in the same way or control the finance in the same way or rule in the same way is a farce. The real killer and fraud in Kenya is Kibaki. The "Kibaki and Raila has failed" propaganda comes from Kibaki. He uses people like Karua to think that Karua is pro reform. Kibaki is the killer of the Kenyan dream On 7/8/09, David Mugo <raidarmax@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all.
Here is a little of my view of this country. Pardon me if my language touches where its not meant to but I would say that it angers me to even think of where we are and where we could have been. Just read the lines by Mike and decided to go through the entire thread which I had ignored for my own reasons. Politically, we are a mess. There is no equality or justice anywhere. There is no proper distribution of resources. The political system is a mess. There is no single politician we can point out as a proper candidate for the top job in the next season. We are at a crisis. In 2002, we had so much hope and the whole world was watching. We gave the enemy what he wanted to see, we f*(*(Ked up.
We are busy blaming Kibaki, Raila and all the politicians, while we actually give them the chance to mess us up. They call 50 year olds young and we agree to it. We are the reason we are a mess. This government has done what it knows how to do and apparently that is messing up. I challenge us to get ourselves a new candidate. A change. A reason to move and make a difference in africa and the world.
We have been taught to spit on each other because of our tribal differences. We have forgotten that we are together, under the same government because we are Kenyans. We have a course to change this Nation in the next few years. It doesnt take much, all it needs is commitment to the changes and the will to sacrifice our selfish needs for the needs of the country. I am a father of 2 little girls, if this country is messed up now, i wanna make it better for them. Maybe a lot of us can afford the best things in life, live in the uptown where its safe and secure but my question is, can we get Kasarani, Zimmerman, Komarock, Kayole, Umoja, Mathare...etc to get the same? I have been in Tanzania for the last one month and my friends, its a SAFE country. The president is LOVED by the people. They may be slow but I really admire them. That is why they rank way better than Kenya in this.
Take a challenge from me, do what you do at the best you can and make a difference. Just so you know, am 29, father of Charlene (5 and a half years old) and Charnele (Turning 3 soon). At 35, I plan to be a part of the change, actively. For now, I plan to be part of the change on a second level. Come with me.
David Mugo.
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:50 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:
kariuki
Kibaki has destroyed Kenya with his greed and I dont care attitude. Kenyans must rise up and do what the Hondurans did. Take their country and chase him out. Kibaki has destroyed Kenya.
On 7/7/09, Kariuki Martin <martinkariuki7@gmail.com> wrote:
I am a believer that all people get a leadership they deserver! Kenyans have suffered for long, sad, yes, but it has had a negative effect since they have developed adaptation mechanisms that are slimy and shrewd. Bribing police is no longer a vice, it's all in a day's work. Matatu drivers are forced to drive dangerously (many time on pedestrian sidewalks) as they try and raise the amount quoted by their greedy bosses. The list gets longer and longer.... Our honorable rats posing in parliament are just a replica of the common mwananchi but a level higher. -- Regards Martin
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Now we are headed the wrong direction... fast!!! -----Original Message----- From: mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> Reply-to: Skunkworks forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> To: Skunkworks forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Cc: BIDII AFRIKA <bidiiafrika@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] OUT-OF-TOPIC: Kenya a Failed State...? Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 09:32:38 +0300 David The intention of Kibaki is to use people like u to have himself and others blamed equally. The truth is that Kibaki and his hardliners are the ones to blame and the more he makes us think that him and Raila command the army in the same way or control the finance in the same way or rule in the same way is a farce. The real killer and fraud in Kenya is Kibaki. The "Kibaki and Raila has failed" propaganda comes from Kibaki. He uses people like Karua to think that Karua is pro reform. Kibaki is the killer of the Kenyan dream On 7/8/09, David Mugo <raidarmax@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all.
Here is a little of my view of this country. Pardon me if my language touches where its not meant to but I would say that it angers me to even think of where we are and where we could have been. Just read the lines by Mike and decided to go through the entire thread which I had ignored for my own reasons. Politically, we are a mess. There is no equality or justice anywhere. There is no proper distribution of resources. The political system is a mess. There is no single politician we can point out as a proper candidate for the top job in the next season. We are at a crisis. In 2002, we had so much hope and the whole world was watching. We gave the enemy what he wanted to see, we f*(*(Ked up.
We are busy blaming Kibaki, Raila and all the politicians, while we actually give them the chance to mess us up. They call 50 year olds young and we agree to it. We are the reason we are a mess. This government has done what it knows how to do and apparently that is messing up. I challenge us to get ourselves a new candidate. A change. A reason to move and make a difference in africa and the world.
We have been taught to spit on each other because of our tribal differences. We have forgotten that we are together, under the same government because we are Kenyans. We have a course to change this Nation in the next few years. It doesnt take much, all it needs is commitment to the changes and the will to sacrifice our selfish needs for the needs of the country. I am a father of 2 little girls, if this country is messed up now, i wanna make it better for them. Maybe a lot of us can afford the best things in life, live in the uptown where its safe and secure but my question is, can we get Kasarani, Zimmerman, Komarock, Kayole, Umoja, Mathare...etc to get the same? I have been in Tanzania for the last one month and my friends, its a SAFE country. The president is LOVED by the people. They may be slow but I really admire them. That is why they rank way better than Kenya in this.
Take a challenge from me, do what you do at the best you can and make a difference. Just so you know, am 29, father of Charlene (5 and a half years old) and Charnele (Turning 3 soon). At 35, I plan to be a part of the change, actively. For now, I plan to be part of the change on a second level. Come with me.
David Mugo.
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:50 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:
kariuki
Kibaki has destroyed Kenya with his greed and I dont care attitude. Kenyans must rise up and do what the Hondurans did. Take their country and chase him out. Kibaki has destroyed Kenya.
On 7/7/09, Kariuki Martin <martinkariuki7@gmail.com> wrote:
I am a believer that all people get a leadership they deserver! Kenyans have suffered for long, sad, yes, but it has had a negative effect since they have developed adaptation mechanisms that are slimy and shrewd. Bribing police is no longer a vice, it's all in a day's work. Matatu drivers are forced to drive dangerously (many time on pedestrian sidewalks) as they try and raise the amount quoted by their greedy bosses. The list gets longer and longer.... Our honorable rats posing in parliament are just a replica of the common mwananchi but a level higher. -- Regards Martin
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I suggest we go back to the context of Skunkworks, which scanning through this post isnt there. david. On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 11:46 PM, Alex Nderitu <nderitualex@gmail.com> wrote:
Now we are headed the wrong direction... fast!!! -----Original Message----- *From*: mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com<mike%20oketch%20%3cmikeoketch@gmail.com%3e>
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*Subject*: Re: [Skunkworks] OUT-OF-TOPIC: Kenya a Failed State...? *Date*: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 09:32:38 +0300
David
The intention of Kibaki is to use people like u to have himself and others blamed equally. The truth is that Kibaki and his hardliners are the ones to blame and the more he makes us think that him and Raila command the army in the same way or control the finance in the same way or rule in the same way is a farce.
The real killer and fraud in Kenya is Kibaki. The "Kibaki and Raila has failed" propaganda comes from Kibaki. He uses people like Karua to think that Karua is pro reform. Kibaki is the killer of the Kenyan dream
On 7/8/09, David Mugo <raidarmax@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all.
Here is a little of my view of this country. Pardon me if my language touches where its not meant to but I would say that it angers me to even think of where we are and where we could have been. Just read the lines by Mike and decided to go through the entire thread which I had ignored for my own reasons. Politically, we are a mess. There is no equality or justice anywhere. There is no proper distribution of resources. The political system is a mess. There is no single politician we can point out as a proper candidate for the top job in the next season. We are at a crisis. In 2002, we had so much hope and the whole world was watching. We gave the enemy what he wanted to see, we f*(*(Ked up.
We are busy blaming Kibaki, Raila and all the politicians, while we actually give them the chance to mess us up. They call 50 year olds young and we agree to it. We are the reason we are a mess. This government has done what it knows how to do and apparently that is messing up. I challenge us to get ourselves a new candidate. A change. A reason to move and make a difference in africa and the world.
We have been taught to spit on each other because of our tribal differences. We have forgotten that we are together, under the same government because we are Kenyans. We have a course to change this Nation in the next few years. It doesnt take much, all it needs is commitment to the changes and the will to sacrifice our selfish needs for the needs of the country. I am a father of 2 little girls, if this country is messed up now, i wanna make it better for them. Maybe a lot of us can afford the best things in life, live in the uptown where its safe and secure but my question is, can we get Kasarani, Zimmerman, Komarock, Kayole, Umoja, Mathare...etc to get the same? I have been in Tanzania for the last one month and my friends, its a SAFE country. The president is LOVED by the people. They may be slow but I really admire them. That is why they rank way better than Kenya in this.
Take a challenge from me, do what you do at the best you can and make a difference. Just so you know, am 29, father of Charlene (5 and a half years old) and Charnele (Turning 3 soon). At 35, I plan to be a part of the change, actively. For now, I plan to be part of the change on a second level. Come with me.
David Mugo.
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:50 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:
kariuki
Kibaki has destroyed Kenya with his greed and I dont care attitude. Kenyans must rise up and do what the Hondurans did. Take their country and chase him out. Kibaki has destroyed Kenya.
On 7/7/09, Kariuki Martin <martinkariuki7@gmail.com> wrote:
I am a believer that all people get a leadership they deserver! Kenyans have suffered for long, sad, yes, but it has had a negative effect since they have developed adaptation mechanisms that are slimy and shrewd. Bribing police is no longer a vice, it's all in a day's work. Matatu drivers are forced to drive dangerously (many time on pedestrian sidewalks) as they try and raise the amount quoted by their greedy bosses. The list gets longer and longer.... Our honorable rats posing in parliament are just a replica of the common mwananchi but a level higher. -- Regards Martin
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The minute we begin speaking about personalities, then we'll remain a failed state. May those who want to talk about Kibaki and Raila to open another thread or worse off, do it elsewhere, otherwise, we now loosing track. ./Ok3ch On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 9:51 AM, David Mugo <raidarmax@gmail.com> wrote:
I suggest we go back to the context of Skunkworks, which scanning through this post isnt there.
david.
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 11:46 PM, Alex Nderitu <nderitualex@gmail.com>wrote:
Now we are headed the wrong direction... fast!!! -----Original Message----- *From*: mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com<mike%20oketch%20%3cmikeoketch@gmail.com%3e>
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*Subject*: Re: [Skunkworks] OUT-OF-TOPIC: Kenya a Failed State...? *Date*: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 09:32:38 +0300
David
The intention of Kibaki is to use people like u to have himself and others blamed equally. The truth is that Kibaki and his hardliners are the ones to blame and the more he makes us think that him and Raila command the army in the same way or control the finance in the same way or rule in the same way is a farce.
The real killer and fraud in Kenya is Kibaki. The "Kibaki and Raila has failed" propaganda comes from Kibaki. He uses people like Karua to think that Karua is pro reform. Kibaki is the killer of the Kenyan dream
On 7/8/09, David Mugo <raidarmax@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all.
Here is a little of my view of this country. Pardon me if my language touches where its not meant to but I would say that it angers me to even think of where we are and where we could have been. Just read the lines by Mike and decided to go through the entire thread which I had ignored for my own reasons. Politically, we are a mess. There is no equality or justice anywhere. There is no proper distribution of resources. The political system is a mess. There is no single politician we can point out as a proper candidate for the top job in the next season. We are at a crisis. In 2002, we had so much hope and the whole world was watching. We gave the enemy what he wanted to see, we f*(*(Ked up.
We are busy blaming Kibaki, Raila and all the politicians, while we actually give them the chance to mess us up. They call 50 year olds young and we agree to it. We are the reason we are a mess. This government has done what it knows how to do and apparently that is messing up. I challenge us to get ourselves a new candidate. A change. A reason to move and make a difference in africa and the world.
We have been taught to spit on each other because of our tribal differences. We have forgotten that we are together, under the same government because we are Kenyans. We have a course to change this Nation in the next few years. It doesnt take much, all it needs is commitment to the changes and the will to sacrifice our selfish needs for the needs of the country. I am a father of 2 little girls, if this country is messed up now, i wanna make it better for them. Maybe a lot of us can afford the best things in life, live in the uptown where its safe and secure but my question is, can we get Kasarani, Zimmerman, Komarock, Kayole, Umoja, Mathare...etc to get the same? I have been in Tanzania for the last one month and my friends, its a SAFE country. The president is LOVED by the people. They may be slow but I really admire them. That is why they rank way better than Kenya in this.
Take a challenge from me, do what you do at the best you can and make a difference. Just so you know, am 29, father of Charlene (5 and a half years old) and Charnele (Turning 3 soon). At 35, I plan to be a part of the change, actively. For now, I plan to be part of the change on a second level. Come with me.
David Mugo.
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:50 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:
kariuki
Kibaki has destroyed Kenya with his greed and I dont care attitude. Kenyans must rise up and do what the Hondurans did. Take their country and chase him out. Kibaki has destroyed Kenya.
On 7/7/09, Kariuki Martin <martinkariuki7@gmail.com> wrote:
I am a believer that all people get a leadership they deserver! Kenyans have suffered for long, sad, yes, but it has had a negative effect since they have developed adaptation mechanisms that are slimy and shrewd. Bribing police is no longer a vice, it's all in a day's work. Matatu drivers are forced to drive dangerously (many time on pedestrian sidewalks) as they try and raise the amount quoted by their greedy bosses. The list gets longer and longer.... Our honorable rats posing in parliament are just a replica of the common mwananchi but a level higher. -- Regards Martin
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On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
The minute we begin speaking about personalities, then we'll remain a failed state. May those who want to talk about Kibaki and Raila to open another thread or worse off, do it elsewhere, otherwise, we now loosing track. ./Ok3ch
Correct! While an advocate for free speech, we ought to clearly distinguish between "free speech" and "hate speech". We can still drive our points home with some sort of decorum without resorting to lowly insults... Aware there's a proposed anti-hate speech bill for parliament's consideration. Alex
I think we need an intelligent hardliner, somebody similar to the Mao in china, Such a leader would be able to get the country back to order and would surely eliminate the impunity that exists especially amongst the current leaders. Considering he will be a dictator he may be able to get hardworking guys reaping from their labour, and thus eliminate the need for corruption and off-course smoke guys who incite others and remind us of our tribal affiliations. Regrds K Z M ---"It's not your blue blood, your pedigree or your college degree. It's what you do with your life that counts. --- On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>wrote:
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
The minute we begin speaking about personalities, then we'll remain a failed state. May those who want to talk about Kibaki and Raila to open another thread or worse off, do it elsewhere, otherwise, we now loosing track. ./Ok3ch
Correct! While an advocate for free speech, we ought to clearly distinguish between "free speech" and "hate speech". We can still drive our points home with some sort of decorum without resorting to lowly insults... Aware there's a proposed anti-hate speech bill for parliament's consideration.
Alex
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We need someone like Augusto Pinochet or Josef Stalin to fix the systems. The end will justify the means. In the end we may have millions dead but then we will have a better Kenya. Any corrupt Kenyan will be shot or hanged immediately. We will also have a Nuremberg style trials, where as we try the politicians, the hang man is waiting outside to hang them immediately when the guilty verdict is pronounced. Lazy people will be excommunicated to Kismayu, Somalia. And we will threat our neighbors with nuclear weapons, and have some permanently pointed at them. We will disconnect the fibre optic network as punishment for any little inconvenience they cause us. We will force them to open their markets unconditionally for our goods and services. We will drill underground pipes to mine the oil in Sudan and Uganda, and re-export it to them at exorbitant prices. The river Nile will be redirected to Lake Turkana, then to Lake Victoria, creating an infinite loop of water. We will tax our neighbors for utilizing the shoreline and the waters of Lake Victoria. These are some of the measures which are long overdue. We will fix Kenya within a year. On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Kenneth Muhia <kzmuhia@gmail.com> wrote:
I think we need an intelligent hardliner, somebody similar to the Mao in china,
Such a leader would be able to get the country back to order and would surely eliminate the impunity that exists especially amongst the current leaders.
Considering he will be a dictator he may be able to get hardworking guys reaping from their labour, and thus eliminate the need for corruption and off-course smoke guys who incite others and remind us of our tribal affiliations.
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On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>wrote:
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
The minute we begin speaking about personalities, then we'll remain a failed state. May those who want to talk about Kibaki and Raila to open another thread or worse off, do it elsewhere, otherwise, we now loosing track. ./Ok3ch
Correct! While an advocate for free speech, we ought to clearly distinguish between "free speech" and "hate speech". We can still drive our points home with some sort of decorum without resorting to lowly insults... Aware there's a proposed anti-hate speech bill for parliament's consideration.
Alex
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Are we a failed state to me YES and NO, YES coz, the populous are frustrated with the system, the institutions have failed, Tribal division is massive ( to an extent someone will get personal after just reading your name) and we are hungry in the 21st century! NO coz we still have something to show against Somali and DRC, Sudan South blah blah, How have we failed; Our 'democrazy' has failed nothing goes on without being objected, only the MPs pay raise motion, so our leaders have failed, We have failed as a people, we pay bribes to get things done, we want much more than we have achieved, we like free things (I was in Sweden and they have trams and for you to pay all you need to do is swipe your card and no one comes round checking if you paid or not, yet 99% of the people I counted paid up, actually the 1% was me well coz I was a Kenyan), in this case I see a society built from the family level, Our spiritual side is dead as a society, we have forgotten God, how many of you go to church/ Mosque etc we do not respect each other am currently in DRC and they have the respect that you would never get in Kenya, same in TZ it might look stupid but I think its worth it, what happened to spanking of kids in school? now students (pupils during our time) can burn a whole school down, oh tell me what will happen when they grow up. Oh and I know you will start the ' developed world' example, dont we have failed as a society. We stopped teaching our kids morals, a kid can slap a grown up, break things in school and YOU as a parent go and defend him/ her. How can hawkers burn a fire engine ( tell me these are people who are thinking). Are we greedy? all of us.... the list is huge... Family planning ( case of a guy in Kibera getting 9 kids yet his income is less than 200 Ksh a day ... he will be blaming the government) the reason why most European countries Population did not grow after the WWII is coz of the great recession, poverty was high most of them got only one or two babies... Sometimes I wish the British had stayed just longer to fix some systems in us, our systems fail all the time. We never do something that lasts long all we like are quick fixes, Kenya has been well placed for long enough to make full use of the Neighbors resources, think about this we control the coast for four countries Uganda, Rwanda, DRC, Sudan... we have local contractors who are well equipped than other of the above countries. In every industry in Kenya we are far more advanced than any our neighbors, if we could realize this and capitalize on it then I think in the next generation we would not be talking like we do... but again being a country of people who want a Quick fix we do not see beyond our borders, graves wealth... the Chinese have realized this and that's what they are capitalizing on, Africa is still virgin ... we should be having companies expanding all over starting with East Africa, we even had a car manufactured in Kenya, if only the government then was far sighted now we would be producing cars for the African market, our police force would be using the same ... our Techies would have jobs and be innovative... We should all have a vision, not for us but for a better Kenya for our Kids, as Mugo said, we should also teach our children to respect each other regardless of skin colour ethnicity and to make Kenya better for their children, we should build systems that last a generation and not to dwell in the past too much. I believe the moment our society is healed that is when we will have a Kenya that we deserve, the power is in us and I do not mean the power to vote ... My two cents.... 2009/7/8 Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com>
We need someone like Augusto Pinochet or Josef Stalin to fix the systems. The end will justify the means. In the end we may have millions dead but then we will have a better Kenya.
Any corrupt Kenyan will be shot or hanged immediately.
We will also have a Nuremberg style trials, where as we try the politicians, the hang man is waiting outside to hang them immediately when the guilty verdict is pronounced.
Lazy people will be excommunicated to Kismayu, Somalia. And we will threat our neighbors with nuclear weapons, and have some permanently pointed at them. We will disconnect the fibre optic network as punishment for any little inconvenience they cause us. We will force them to open their markets unconditionally for our goods and services.
We will drill underground pipes to mine the oil in Sudan and Uganda, and re-export it to them at exorbitant prices. The river Nile will be redirected to Lake Turkana, then to Lake Victoria, creating an infinite loop of water. We will tax our neighbors for utilizing the shoreline and the waters of Lake Victoria.
These are some of the measures which are long overdue.
We will fix Kenya within a year.
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Kenneth Muhia <kzmuhia@gmail.com> wrote:
I think we need an intelligent hardliner, somebody similar to the Mao in china,
Such a leader would be able to get the country back to order and would surely eliminate the impunity that exists especially amongst the current leaders.
Considering he will be a dictator he may be able to get hardworking guys reaping from their labour, and thus eliminate the need for corruption and off-course smoke guys who incite others and remind us of our tribal affiliations.
Regrds K Z M ---"It's not your blue blood, your pedigree or your college degree. It's what you do with your life that counts. ---
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>wrote:
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
The minute we begin speaking about personalities, then we'll remain a failed state. May those who want to talk about Kibaki and Raila to open another thread or worse off, do it elsewhere, otherwise, we now loosing track. ./Ok3ch
Correct! While an advocate for free speech, we ought to clearly distinguish between "free speech" and "hate speech". We can still drive our points home with some sort of decorum without resorting to lowly insults... Aware there's a proposed anti-hate speech bill for parliament's consideration.
Alex
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Good people, While the intention of starting this thread was not necessarily to character assassinate but to address solutions that will make us reclaim our past glory. While we are placed on the Alert Level, I think that should be a starting point - to show us wee are somewhere, though not a better place. The gap between the rich and the poor keeps on growing daily. This is because the economy seems to be favouring the rich while the rich remain *watu wa mkono*, and at the end of the day, the rich will say we finally did it. If Kenya's government has lost legitimacy and sense in the provision of social services, then we are the ones who are squarely to blame. Let me go back to 2002. We had hope, dreams, vision and aspirations for Kenya, but a few months later, squabbling and blame game started. It then reminded me of post-independent African governments. They quickly accepted independence, the systems of the colonialists, and tried to Africanize some sectors. It worked in some nations, but the majority of Africa, is still deeply rooted in the colonialist systems. After 2007 there was little that Kenyan could pride themselves with/ in. When one talks about corruption in Africa, Kenya is top three, poor governance, we are one of the leading in the continent, and the list goes on and on. If we look at the declarations made by the Post-independent governments - Water for All by 2000, Health for All by... Education for All by..., they all end up at one place, *'there were no funds to sustain them*' yet our * Waheshimiwa* have increased there salries exponentially! Now the so-called Second Liberation government, has performed much worse than the previous governments. A bloated cabinet, a president who disagrees with his cabinet in public, a president who calls his driver *mjinga* at a public rally.... and now the New Kid on the Block, Vision 2030, a plethora of headache (Constitutional Review). We are really far! Someone on this thread has pointed out that *If the systems are put in place, then things will go as planned* and I agree in totality. There are some communities which believe that leadership belongs to them, but with such a mentality, things will continue going bad. There is also no need to worship individuals, whether the president or any other politician, as some people have been doing. The militias causing terror in Kenya are the making of politicians. One thing I admire about the US Govt is their policy of not negotiating with terrorists. Here we've heard Kenyan politicians offering an Olive Branch to the militias, in the name of peace making, yet they very well know that the militia's are their making. While watching *The Tears of the Sun*<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tears_of_the_Sun>, one thing that dwaned to me, is Africans leaders are driven by greed and personal ambition, while the masses are left to suffer at the mercy of the God.Ethnic hatred flares once peaceful communities into wars and hatred. (BTW in the movie there is one IDA ONYANGO as a cast [?]). If you've read Ken Saro-Wiwa's *Africa Kills Her Sun* the story is the same. So how do we make the change? Voting out the leaders in a choice, but not an option. Citizen journalism in Iran, has shown how this tool can pressurize the governments into yielding to the demands of the people. Despite the challenges from the Ayatollah, the Iranians demanded their own legitimacy - though it is unlikely for a re-run, but they drove their points home. If we go the Honduras way, we might lose our credibility in the International Face and the Al-Shabab will take control of Kenya's North Eastern Province ( We cannot afford that, can we?) Secondly, the youth (and I'm one of them) have been talking of neglect, so can we prove to the Old Guards, we can deliver? So is willing to take the mantle of Kenya's leadership come 2012? Anybody below 40 whether male or female, a Njemp or a Turkana, Maa Speaker etc? Then this is the time. Sell yourself well and I'll stand behind you! Otherwise the political leadership will want to use this opportunity to show, how the youth are hot-blooded and foolish! My thoughts! 2009/7/8 mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com>
David
The intention of Kibaki is to use people like u to have himself and others blamed equally. The truth is that Kibaki and his hardliners are the ones to blame and the more he makes us think that him and Raila command the army in the same way or control the finance in the same way or rule in the same way is a farce.
The real killer and fraud in Kenya is Kibaki. The "Kibaki and Raila has failed" propaganda comes from Kibaki. He uses people like Karua to think that Karua is pro reform. Kibaki is the killer of the Kenyan dream
On 7/8/09, David Mugo <raidarmax@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all.
Here is a little of my view of this country. Pardon me if my language touches where its not meant to but I would say that it angers me to even think of where we are and where we could have been. Just read the lines by Mike and decided to go through the entire thread which I had ignored for my own reasons. Politically, we are a mess. There is no equality or justice anywhere. There is no proper distribution of resources. The political system is a mess. There is no single politician we can point out as a proper candidate for the top job in the next season. We are at a crisis. In 2002, we had so much hope and the whole world was watching. We gave the enemy what he wanted to see, we f*(*(Ked up.
We are busy blaming Kibaki, Raila and all the politicians, while we actually give them the chance to mess us up. They call 50 year olds young and we agree to it. We are the reason we are a mess. This government has done what it knows how to do and apparently that is messing up. I challenge us to get ourselves a new candidate. A change. A reason to move and make a difference in africa and the world.
We have been taught to spit on each other because of our tribal differences. We have forgotten that we are together, under the same government because we are Kenyans. We have a course to change this Nation in the next few years. It doesnt take much, all it needs is commitment to the changes and the will to sacrifice our selfish needs for the needs of the country. I am a father of 2 little girls, if this country is messed up now, i wanna make it better for them. Maybe a lot of us can afford the best things in life, live in the uptown where its safe and secure but my question is, can we get Kasarani, Zimmerman, Komarock, Kayole, Umoja, Mathare...etc to get the same? I have been in Tanzania for the last one month and my friends, its a SAFE country. The president is LOVED by the people. They may be slow but I really admire them. That is why they rank way better than Kenya in this.
Take a challenge from me, do what you do at the best you can and make a difference. Just so you know, am 29, father of Charlene (5 and a half years old) and Charnele (Turning 3 soon). At 35, I plan to be a part of the change, actively. For now, I plan to be part of the change on a second level. Come with me.
David Mugo.
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:50 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:
kariuki
Kibaki has destroyed Kenya with his greed and I dont care attitude. Kenyans must rise up and do what the Hondurans did. Take their country and chase him out. Kibaki has destroyed Kenya.
On 7/7/09, Kariuki Martin <martinkariuki7@gmail.com> wrote:
I am a believer that all people get a leadership they deserver! Kenyans have suffered for long, sad, yes, but it has had a negative effect since they have developed adaptation mechanisms that are slimy and shrewd. Bribing police is no longer a vice, it's all in a day's work. Matatu drivers are forced to drive dangerously (many time on pedestrian sidewalks) as they try and raise the amount quoted by their greedy bosses. The list gets longer and longer.... Our honorable rats posing in parliament are just a replica of the common mwananchi but a level higher. -- Regards Martin
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What exactly is are 'colonialist systems'? And what does 'Africanize some sectors' mean? If i am not wrong most of the infrastructure in Nairobi (roads, water, etc) we use today are largely the ones that the British left here some 50 years ago. Sometimes I am embarrassed to be Kenyan. How come Kenyan contractors take over a year to do Mbagathi road and Chinese contractors did the highway in less than a few weeks? Its always very convenenient to lay all our problems on other people's doors. Using 'Colonialism' in this day and age is a total cop out. I am also not convinced that youth in government alone will solve our problem. There are a number of youth MPs in parliament that appear to have the IQ of a wet towel. Attitude I think would make the difference. Look at the 'youth' today. Us. A typical yuppie will have the following daily routine: Wake up and arrive at work just in time to not be late. After tea, gossip and facebook, work will begin at about 10:30. At 1 sharp out for lunch. At 2 mashada and facebook. Work from 3 to 4:30. At 5 SMS to friends inquring 'nani ananunua leo?'. At 6:00 coffee with the missus and by about 8 heading to K1/Carnivore. Crawl into bed at 2 in the morning to repeat the following day. It is naive of us to magically expect good leadership from such 'youth'. Garbage in, garbage out. On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
Good people,
While the intention of starting this thread was not necessarily to character assassinate but to address solutions that will make us reclaim our past glory.
While we are placed on the Alert Level, I think that should be a starting point - to show us wee are somewhere, though not a better place.
The gap between the rich and the poor keeps on growing daily. This is because the economy seems to be favouring the rich while the rich remain *watu wa mkono*, and at the end of the day, the rich will say we finally did it.
If Kenya's government has lost legitimacy and sense in the provision of social services, then we are the ones who are squarely to blame. Let me go back to 2002. We had hope, dreams, vision and aspirations for Kenya, but a few months later, squabbling and blame game started. It then reminded me of post-independent African governments. They quickly accepted independence, the systems of the colonialists, and tried to Africanize some sectors. It worked in some nations, but the majority of Africa, is still deeply rooted in the colonialist systems.
After 2007 there was little that Kenyan could pride themselves with/ in. When one talks about corruption in Africa, Kenya is top three, poor governance, we are one of the leading in the continent, and the list goes on and on.
If we look at the declarations made by the Post-independent governments - Water for All by 2000, Health for All by... Education for All by..., they all end up at one place, *'there were no funds to sustain them*' yet our * Waheshimiwa* have increased there salries exponentially!
Now the so-called Second Liberation government, has performed much worse than the previous governments. A bloated cabinet, a president who disagrees with his cabinet in public, a president who calls his driver *mjinga* at a public rally.... and now the New Kid on the Block, Vision 2030, a plethora of headache (Constitutional Review). We are really far!
Someone on this thread has pointed out that *If the systems are put in place, then things will go as planned* and I agree in totality. There are some communities which believe that leadership belongs to them, but with such a mentality, things will continue going bad. There is also no need to worship individuals, whether the president or any other politician, as some people have been doing.
The militias causing terror in Kenya are the making of politicians. One thing I admire about the US Govt is their policy of not negotiating with terrorists. Here we've heard Kenyan politicians offering an Olive Branch to the militias, in the name of peace making, yet they very well know that the militia's are their making.
While watching *The Tears of the Sun*<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tears_of_the_Sun>, one thing that dwaned to me, is Africans leaders are driven by greed and personal ambition, while the masses are left to suffer at the mercy of the God.Ethnic hatred flares once peaceful communities into wars and hatred. (BTW in the movie there is one IDA ONYANGO as a cast [?]). If you've read Ken Saro-Wiwa's *Africa Kills Her Sun* the story is the same.
So how do we make the change?
Voting out the leaders in a choice, but not an option. Citizen journalism in Iran, has shown how this tool can pressurize the governments into yielding to the demands of the people. Despite the challenges from the Ayatollah, the Iranians demanded their own legitimacy - though it is unlikely for a re-run, but they drove their points home. If we go the Honduras way, we might lose our credibility in the International Face and the Al-Shabab will take control of Kenya's North Eastern Province ( We cannot afford that, can we?)
Secondly, the youth (and I'm one of them) have been talking of neglect, so can we prove to the Old Guards, we can deliver? So is willing to take the mantle of Kenya's leadership come 2012? Anybody below 40 whether male or female, a Njemp or a Turkana, Maa Speaker etc? Then this is the time. Sell yourself well and I'll stand behind you! Otherwise the political leadership will want to use this opportunity to show, how the youth are hot-blooded and foolish!
My thoughts!
2009/7/8 mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com>
David
The intention of Kibaki is to use people like u to have himself and others blamed equally. The truth is that Kibaki and his hardliners are the ones to blame and the more he makes us think that him and Raila command the army in the same way or control the finance in the same way or rule in the same way is a farce.
The real killer and fraud in Kenya is Kibaki. The "Kibaki and Raila has failed" propaganda comes from Kibaki. He uses people like Karua to think that Karua is pro reform. Kibaki is the killer of the Kenyan dream
On 7/8/09, David Mugo <raidarmax@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all.
Here is a little of my view of this country. Pardon me if my language touches where its not meant to but I would say that it angers me to even think of where we are and where we could have been. Just read the lines by Mike and decided to go through the entire thread which I had ignored for my own reasons. Politically, we are a mess. There is no equality or justice anywhere. There is no proper distribution of resources. The political system is a mess. There is no single politician we can point out as a proper candidate for the top job in the next season. We are at a crisis. In 2002, we had so much hope and the whole world was watching. We gave the enemy what he wanted to see, we f*(*(Ked up.
We are busy blaming Kibaki, Raila and all the politicians, while we actually give them the chance to mess us up. They call 50 year olds young and we agree to it. We are the reason we are a mess. This government has done what it knows how to do and apparently that is messing up. I challenge us to get ourselves a new candidate. A change. A reason to move and make a difference in africa and the world.
We have been taught to spit on each other because of our tribal differences. We have forgotten that we are together, under the same government because we are Kenyans. We have a course to change this Nation in the next few years. It doesnt take much, all it needs is commitment to the changes and the will to sacrifice our selfish needs for the needs of the country. I am a father of 2 little girls, if this country is messed up now, i wanna make it better for them. Maybe a lot of us can afford the best things in life, live in the uptown where its safe and secure but my question is, can we get Kasarani, Zimmerman, Komarock, Kayole, Umoja, Mathare...etc to get the same? I have been in Tanzania for the last one month and my friends, its a SAFE country. The president is LOVED by the people. They may be slow but I really admire them. That is why they rank way better than Kenya in this.
Take a challenge from me, do what you do at the best you can and make a difference. Just so you know, am 29, father of Charlene (5 and a half years old) and Charnele (Turning 3 soon). At 35, I plan to be a part of the change, actively. For now, I plan to be part of the change on a second level. Come with me.
David Mugo.
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:50 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:
kariuki
Kibaki has destroyed Kenya with his greed and I dont care attitude. Kenyans must rise up and do what the Hondurans did. Take their country and chase him out. Kibaki has destroyed Kenya.
On 7/7/09, Kariuki Martin <martinkariuki7@gmail.com> wrote:
I am a believer that all people get a leadership they deserver! Kenyans have suffered for long, sad, yes, but it has had a negative effect since they have developed adaptation mechanisms that are slimy and shrewd. Bribing police is no longer a vice, it's all in a day's work. Matatu drivers are forced to drive dangerously (many time on pedestrian sidewalks) as they try and raise the amount quoted by their greedy bosses. The list gets longer and longer.... Our honorable rats posing in parliament are just a replica of the common mwananchi but a level higher. -- Regards Martin
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On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Rahim Kara <rahim@applecentre.co.ke> wrote:
how do we get started?
First "we" need to accept the reality that we are a failed state. Now the "we" here is where the issue starts. If the citizens accept this as a fact, will our leaders do the same? We don't have much clout on our MPs to start with. It never happens until election time approaches. However, we all know for a fact that the failed state issue is a consequence of the 2007 elections, the ramifications of which we all know and that is where we need to start! The real question is "How", as you already put it. We need our legislators to take cognizance of this fact and do what needs to be done to correct it. That which needs to be done is as diverse as the Kenyans are divided on the truth. We need functional governance structures. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
Its a pain. More so since its true. I percieve that our main problem is with where power lies(Money) Those who control this have more say on what and where the government shows its alligience. All structures in this country are bent on who do i pay to get into this || out of this. What CAN WE DO? I would suggest we think of ways of earning crazy(IT) wealth. We should have skunks and skunkettes wrecking in billions in a week. Heads will turn, Power will be on skunks/ettes. Then we choose a w/man with vision, heart and may be a whip. We also know campaign is money - so we can spam the nation with his/er philosophy. We will have our way in the governance structures. I commit a traffic offence - an my e-card is filled and pay penalty on zain as i drive-on and the offence is recorded in the various databases. A little of a fantansy but its all money - drug money for compaign will get us a drug-baroned governance. blood-money ,..... a blooded governance. Money from crooks... a crooked government. IT money... BElieving In Everlasting Springs 2009/7/7 Odhiambo ワシントン <odhiambo@gmail.com>
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Rahim Kara <rahim@applecentre.co.ke>wrote:
how do we get started?
First "we" need to accept the reality that we are a failed state. Now the "we" here is where the issue starts. If the citizens accept this as a fact, will our leaders do the same? We don't have much clout on our MPs to start with. It never happens until election time approaches. However, we all know for a fact that the failed state issue is a consequence of the 2007 elections, the ramifications of which we all know and that is where we need to start! The real question is "How", as you already put it. We need our legislators to take cognizance of this fact and do what needs to be done to correct it. That which needs to be done is as diverse as the Kenyans are divided on the truth. We need functional governance structures.
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
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This has and continues to be my attempt at putting accountability in various services we get in our country: Websites Concerning Kenya<http://www.website.co.ke> Here's how: 1. Every business, organisation, religious body, govt dept, etc that has been registered needs to have a website. A number already do. 2. List all these websites on www.website.co.ke in a directory. About 3,000 listed so far. 3. Have the public (that means you) rate and comment on the services that they provide. I'm working with a bunch of students to put in some initial comments. Expected results: - A resource where quality service providers get advertised by the public. So that the next time your looking for a bank, ISP, hotel in Kisii, or whatever, you know where to look. - The quality service providers get better businesses, and the lousy ones are 'encouraged' to style up. This is not a direct challenge to the governance (or lack of), but who knows what crazy ideas may spin off of this. 2009/7/7 joe mwirigi <joemwirigi@gmail.com>
Its a pain. More so since its true. I percieve that our main problem is with where power lies(Money) Those who control this have more say on what and where the government shows its alligience. All structures in this country are bent on who do i pay to get into this || out of this. What CAN WE DO? I would suggest we think of ways of earning crazy(IT) wealth. We should have skunks and skunkettes wrecking in billions in a week. Heads will turn, Power will be on skunks/ettes. Then we choose a w/man with vision, heart and may be a whip. We also know campaign is money - so we can spam the nation with his/er philosophy. We will have our way in the governance structures. I commit a traffic offence - an my e-card is filled and pay penalty on zain as i drive-on and the offence is recorded in the various databases. A little of a fantansy but its all money - drug money for compaign will get us a drug-baroned governance. blood-money ,..... a blooded governance. Money from crooks... a crooked government. IT money... BElieving In Everlasting Springs
2009/7/7 Odhiambo ワシントン <odhiambo@gmail.com>
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Rahim Kara <rahim@applecentre.co.ke>wrote:
how do we get started?
First "we" need to accept the reality that we are a failed state. Now the "we" here is where the issue starts. If the citizens accept this as a fact, will our leaders do the same? We don't have much clout on our MPs to start with. It never happens until election time approaches. However, we all know for a fact that the failed state issue is a consequence of the 2007 elections, the ramifications of which we all know and that is where we need to start! The real question is "How", as you already put it. We need our legislators to take cognizance of this fact and do what needs to be done to correct it. That which needs to be done is as diverse as the Kenyans are divided on the truth. We need functional governance structures.
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
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participants (17)
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Alex Nderitu -
alice munyua -
David Mugo -
Gakuru Alex -
Gichingiri Kuria -
joe mwirigi -
Kariuki Martin -
Kenneth Muhia -
mike oketch -
Odhiambo ワシントン -
Okechukwu -
Philip Musyoki -
Rad! -
Rahim Kara -
Solomon Mburu -
Walubengo J -
Watson Kambo