Re: [Skunkworks] Telkom: Let the fundraising begin
Funny how things turn out! It's difficult to imagine Safaricom used to be a 'department' at Telkom and now the latter is not even the second but a distant third MNO in terms of subscribers and revenue! If a business venture does not make profits,the most reasonable thing to do is to end its operations and not to pour in more money hoping that the tides will turn! On 21 March 2012 08:21, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh dear..Telkom wants Sh10bn bailout from taxpayer: http://goo.gl/oqpOJ
./bernard
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"The country spent more than Sh90 billion of taxpayers’ money to prepare the company for sale to French Telecom in 2007. This resulted in loss of 16,100 jobs in five years. Additionally, the government surrendered its crucial fibre optic network as a Sh10 billion sweetener for what is turning out to be one of the messiest privatisation transactions in recent times." Doesn't doing the above now have complications considering the stringent public procurement guidelines under the new constitution? ./bernard On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote:
Funny how things turn out! It's difficult to imagine Safaricom used to be a 'department' at Telkom and now the latter is not even the second but a distant third MNO in terms of subscribers and revenue! If a business venture does not make profits,the most reasonable thing to do is to end its operations and not to pour in more money hoping that the tides will turn!
On 21 March 2012 08:21, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh dear..Telkom wants Sh10bn bailout from taxpayer: http://goo.gl/oqpOJ
./bernard
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This company is suffering from internal sabotage and inefficiencies which are historical like that of KBC. It is only in Telekom / Orange where at this time and age you report an issue like one I had on ISDN failure and it takes more than a month to resolve. This is while very much aware that there are other providers in the market and that one can switch to another one in a twinkle of a second. By the time the service resumed I had already taken another provider. James On 3/21/2012 9:35 AM, Moses Muya wrote:
Funny how things turn out! It's difficult to imagine Safaricom used to be a 'department' at Telkom and now the latter is not even the second but a distant third MNO in terms of subscribers and revenue! If a business venture does not make profits,the most reasonable thing to do is to end its operations and not to pour in more money hoping that the tides will turn!
On 21 March 2012 08:21, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com <mailto:bmwagiru@gmail.com>> wrote:
Oh dear.. Telkom wants Sh10bn bailout from taxpayer: http://goo.gl/oqpOJ
./bernard
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This is a clear case of underestimating the Kenyan business operating environment. The real behind the scenes story is like a movie. But Im sure the government will not let them sink. You and me will bail them out, it happens everywhere in the globe On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:19 AM, James Kagwe <kagwejg@gmail.com> wrote:
This company is suffering from internal sabotage and inefficiencies which are historical like that of KBC. It is only in Telekom / Orange where at this time and age you report an issue like one I had on ISDN failure and it takes more than a month to resolve. This is while very much aware that there are other providers in the market and that one can switch to another one in a twinkle of a second. By the time the service resumed I had already taken another provider.
James
On 3/21/2012 9:35 AM, Moses Muya wrote:
Funny how things turn out! It's difficult to imagine Safaricom used to be a 'department' at Telkom and now the latter is not even the second but a distant third MNO in terms of subscribers and revenue! If a business venture does not make profits,the most reasonable thing to do is to end its operations and not to pour in more money hoping that the tides will turn!
On 21 March 2012 08:21, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh dear.. Telkom wants Sh10bn bailout from taxpayer: http://goo.gl/oqpOJ
./bernard
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I think the French have spent so much time focusing on GSM/Mobile lines(which Safcom ran away with ) and left out key areas that would have seen it compete effectively. For instance, fixed line and data. Before Orange came, there were great product lines at TKL Fixed Lines, Kenstream, Jambonet, Kensat,CDMA,even Data hosting. Long before other ISPs started digging all over town, TKL had fiber in CBD and other rolls of cable dumped on Ngong rd. Orange simply got their priorities wrong IMHO. Regards Jared Koyier On 21 March 2012 12:09, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:
This is a clear case of underestimating the Kenyan business operating environment. The real behind the scenes story is like a movie. But Im sure the government will not let them sink. You and me will bail them out, it happens everywhere in the globe
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:19 AM, James Kagwe <kagwejg@gmail.com> wrote:
This company is suffering from internal sabotage and inefficiencies which are historical like that of KBC. It is only in Telekom / Orange where at this time and age you report an issue like one I had on ISDN failure and it takes more than a month to resolve. This is while very much aware that there are other providers in the market and that one can switch to another one in a twinkle of a second. By the time the service resumed I had already taken another provider.
James
On 3/21/2012 9:35 AM, Moses Muya wrote:
Funny how things turn out! It's difficult to imagine Safaricom used to be a 'department' at Telkom and now the latter is not even the second but a distant third MNO in terms of subscribers and revenue! If a business venture does not make profits,the most reasonable thing to do is to end its operations and not to pour in more money hoping that the tides will turn!
On 21 March 2012 08:21, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh dear.. Telkom wants Sh10bn bailout from taxpayer: http://goo.gl/oqpOJ
./bernard
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@Joram, Hasn't the govt bailed them out before, in addition to the concessions already? And isnt there a limit to how far you can go before you throw in the towel? Also, I'm interested on the public procurement guidelines that would come into play in light of the new constitution, if any. ./bernard On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
This is a clear case of underestimating the Kenyan business operating environment. The real behind the scenes story is like a movie. But Im sure the government will not let them sink. You and me will bail them out, it happens everywhere in the globe
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:19 AM, James Kagwe <kagwejg@gmail.com> wrote:
This company is suffering from internal sabotage and inefficiencies which are historical like that of KBC. It is only in Telekom / Orange where at this time and age you report an issue like one I had on ISDN failure and it takes more than a month to resolve. This is while very much aware that there are other providers in the market and that one can switch to another one in a twinkle of a second. By the time the service resumed I had already taken another provider.
James
On 3/21/2012 9:35 AM, Moses Muya wrote:
Funny how things turn out! It's difficult to imagine Safaricom used to be a 'department' at Telkom and now the latter is not even the second but a distant third MNO in terms of subscribers and revenue! If a business venture does not make profits,the most reasonable thing to do is to end its operations and not to pour in more money hoping that the tides will turn!
On 21 March 2012 08:21, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh dear.. Telkom wants Sh10bn bailout from taxpayer: http://goo.gl/oqpOJ
./bernard
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Someone says ,"My Telkom lines have been out of order for months.I didn't notice that untill I heard they wanted 10 Billion shillings from us!" - need I say more? They have lost their relevance in the market! On 21 March 2012 13:41, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
@Joram,
Hasn't the govt bailed them out before, in addition to the concessions already? And isnt there a limit to how far you can go before you throw in the towel? Also, I'm interested on the public procurement guidelines that would come into play in light of the new constitution, if any.
./bernard
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
This is a clear case of underestimating the Kenyan business operating environment. The real behind the scenes story is like a movie. But Im sure the government will not let them sink. You and me will bail them out, it happens everywhere in the globe
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:19 AM, James Kagwe <kagwejg@gmail.com> wrote:
This company is suffering from internal sabotage and inefficiencies which are historical like that of KBC. It is only in Telekom / Orange where at this time and age you report an issue like one I had on ISDN failure and it takes more than a month to resolve. This is while very much aware that there are other providers in the market and that one can switch to another one in a twinkle of a second. By the time the service resumed I had already taken another provider.
James
On 3/21/2012 9:35 AM, Moses Muya wrote:
Funny how things turn out! It's difficult to imagine Safaricom used to be a 'department' at Telkom and now the latter is not even the second but a distant third MNO in terms of subscribers and revenue! If a business venture does not make profits,the most reasonable thing to do is to end its operations and not to pour in more money hoping that the tides will turn!
On 21 March 2012 08:21, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh dear.. Telkom wants Sh10bn bailout from taxpayer: http://goo.gl/oqpOJ
./bernard
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It should be Telkom funeral and not fundraising ..it has outlived it usefulness and it should just agree to die gracefully. ________________________________ From: Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Telkom: Let the fundraising begin Someone says ,"My Telkom lines have been out of order for months.I didn't notice that untill I heard they wanted 10 Billion shillings from us!" - need I say more? They have lost their relevance in the market! On 21 March 2012 13:41, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote: @Joram,
Hasn't the govt bailed them out before, in addition to the concessions already? And isnt there a limit to how far you can go before you throw in the towel? Also, I'm interested on the public procurement guidelines that would come into play in light of the new constitution, if any.
./bernard
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:
This is a clear case of underestimating the Kenyan business operating environment. The real behind the scenes story is like a movie. But Im sure the government will not let them sink. You and me will bail them out, it happens everywhere in the globe
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:19 AM, James Kagwe <kagwejg@gmail.com> wrote:
This company is suffering from internal sabotage and inefficiencies which are historical like that of KBC. It is only in Telekom / Orange where at this time and age you report an issue like one I had on ISDN failure and it takes more than a month to resolve. This is while very much aware that there are other providers in the market and that one can switch to another one in a twinkle of a second. By the time the service resumed I had already taken another provider.
James
On 3/21/2012 9:35 AM, Moses Muya wrote: Funny how things turn out! It's difficult to imagine Safaricom used to be a 'department' at Telkom and now the latter is not even the second but a distant third MNO in terms of subscribers and revenue! If a business venture does not make profits,the most reasonable thing to do is to end its operations and not to pour in more money hoping that the tides will turn!
On 21 March 2012 08:21, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh dear.. Telkom wants Sh10bn bailout from taxpayer: http://goo.gl/oqpOJ
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Or maybe, France Telecom should sell Orange Kenya to Safaricom, so that it becomes a department within Safaricom - as in what goes around comes around?? On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 16:25, Chips Funga <chips.funga@yahoo.com> wrote:
It should be Telkom funeral and not fundraising ..it has outlived it usefulness and it should just agree to die gracefully.
------------------------------ *From:* Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> *To:* Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 21, 2012 4:00 PM *Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] Telkom: Let the fundraising begin
Someone says ,"My Telkom lines have been out of order for months.I didn't notice that untill I heard they wanted 10 Billion shillings from us!" - need I say more? They have lost their relevance in the market!
On 21 March 2012 13:41, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
@Joram,
Hasn't the govt bailed them out before, in addition to the concessions already? And isnt there a limit to how far you can go before you throw in the towel? Also, I'm interested on the public procurement guidelines that would come into play in light of the new constitution, if any.
./bernard
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
This is a clear case of underestimating the Kenyan business operating environment. The real behind the scenes story is like a movie. But Im sure the government will not let them sink. You and me will bail them out, it happens everywhere in the globe
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:19 AM, James Kagwe <kagwejg@gmail.com> wrote:
This company is suffering from internal sabotage and inefficiencies which are historical like that of KBC. It is only in Telekom / Orange where at this time and age you report an issue like one I had on ISDN failure and it takes more than a month to resolve. This is while very much aware that there are other providers in the market and that one can switch to another one in a twinkle of a second. By the time the service resumed I had already taken another provider.
James
On 3/21/2012 9:35 AM, Moses Muya wrote:
Funny how things turn out! It's difficult to imagine Safaricom used to be a 'department' at Telkom and now the latter is not even the second but a distant third MNO in terms of subscribers and revenue! If a business venture does not make profits,the most reasonable thing to do is to end its operations and not to pour in more money hoping that the tides will turn!
On 21 March 2012 08:21, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh dear.. Telkom wants Sh10bn bailout from taxpayer: http://goo.gl/oqpOJ
./bernard
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and the donation will be done through Mpesa! Just in case their network goes down as well!! On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
Or maybe, France Telecom should sell Orange Kenya to Safaricom, so that it becomes a department within Safaricom - as in what goes around comes around??
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 16:25, Chips Funga <chips.funga@yahoo.com> wrote:
It should be Telkom funeral and not fundraising ..it has outlived it usefulness and it should just agree to die gracefully.
------------------------------ *From:* Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> *To:* Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 21, 2012 4:00 PM *Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] Telkom: Let the fundraising begin
Someone says ,"My Telkom lines have been out of order for months.I didn't notice that untill I heard they wanted 10 Billion shillings from us!" - need I say more? They have lost their relevance in the market!
On 21 March 2012 13:41, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
@Joram,
Hasn't the govt bailed them out before, in addition to the concessions already? And isnt there a limit to how far you can go before you throw in the towel? Also, I'm interested on the public procurement guidelines that would come into play in light of the new constitution, if any.
./bernard
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
This is a clear case of underestimating the Kenyan business operating environment. The real behind the scenes story is like a movie. But Im sure the government will not let them sink. You and me will bail them out, it happens everywhere in the globe
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:19 AM, James Kagwe <kagwejg@gmail.com> wrote:
This company is suffering from internal sabotage and inefficiencies which are historical like that of KBC. It is only in Telekom / Orange where at this time and age you report an issue like one I had on ISDN failure and it takes more than a month to resolve. This is while very much aware that there are other providers in the market and that one can switch to another one in a twinkle of a second. By the time the service resumed I had already taken another provider.
James
On 3/21/2012 9:35 AM, Moses Muya wrote:
Funny how things turn out! It's difficult to imagine Safaricom used to be a 'department' at Telkom and now the latter is not even the second but a distant third MNO in terms of subscribers and revenue! If a business venture does not make profits,the most reasonable thing to do is to end its operations and not to pour in more money hoping that the tides will turn!
On 21 March 2012 08:21, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh dear.. Telkom wants Sh10bn bailout from taxpayer: http://goo.gl/oqpOJ
./bernard
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He he, @Wash and @Anthony are the greatest inciters! :) In other news,Orange does it again! http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate+News/Telkom+Kenya+manager+leave... On 21 March 2012 16:49, Antony Mwai <antonymwai@gmail.com> wrote:
and the donation will be done through Mpesa! Just in case their network goes down as well!!
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
Or maybe, France Telecom should sell Orange Kenya to Safaricom, so that it becomes a department within Safaricom - as in what goes around comes around??
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 16:25, Chips Funga <chips.funga@yahoo.com> wrote:
It should be Telkom funeral and not fundraising ..it has outlived it usefulness and it should just agree to die gracefully.
------------------------------ *From:* Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> *To:* Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 21, 2012 4:00 PM *Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] Telkom: Let the fundraising begin
Someone says ,"My Telkom lines have been out of order for months.I didn't notice that untill I heard they wanted 10 Billion shillings from us!" - need I say more? They have lost their relevance in the market!
On 21 March 2012 13:41, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
@Joram,
Hasn't the govt bailed them out before, in addition to the concessions already? And isnt there a limit to how far you can go before you throw in the towel? Also, I'm interested on the public procurement guidelines that would come into play in light of the new constitution, if any.
./bernard
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com
wrote:
This is a clear case of underestimating the Kenyan business operating environment. The real behind the scenes story is like a movie. But Im sure the government will not let them sink. You and me will bail them out, it happens everywhere in the globe
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:19 AM, James Kagwe <kagwejg@gmail.com> wrote:
This company is suffering from internal sabotage and inefficiencies which are historical like that of KBC. It is only in Telekom / Orange where at this time and age you report an issue like one I had on ISDN failure and it takes more than a month to resolve. This is while very much aware that there are other providers in the market and that one can switch to another one in a twinkle of a second. By the time the service resumed I had already taken another provider.
James
On 3/21/2012 9:35 AM, Moses Muya wrote:
Funny how things turn out! It's difficult to imagine Safaricom used to be a 'department' at Telkom and now the latter is not even the second but a distant third MNO in terms of subscribers and revenue! If a business venture does not make profits,the most reasonable thing to do is to end its operations and not to pour in more money hoping that the tides will turn!
On 21 March 2012 08:21, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh dear.. Telkom wants Sh10bn bailout from taxpayer: http://goo.gl/oqpOJ
./bernard
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Gents, Jokes aside, the unfolding events are certainly not healthy for the telcom industry.I fear we might be headed back to a monopoly. I definitely don't stand to gain. ./bernard On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 12:33 AM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote:
He he, @Wash and @Anthony are the greatest inciters! :)
In other news,Orange does it again! http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate+News/Telkom+Kenya+manager+leave...
On 21 March 2012 16:49, Antony Mwai <antonymwai@gmail.com> wrote:
and the donation will be done through Mpesa! Just in case their network goes down as well!!
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
Or maybe, France Telecom should sell Orange Kenya to Safaricom, so that it becomes a department within Safaricom - as in what goes around comes around??
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 16:25, Chips Funga <chips.funga@yahoo.com>wrote:
It should be Telkom funeral and not fundraising ..it has outlived it usefulness and it should just agree to die gracefully.
------------------------------ *From:* Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> *To:* Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 21, 2012 4:00 PM *Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] Telkom: Let the fundraising begin
Someone says ,"My Telkom lines have been out of order for months.I didn't notice that untill I heard they wanted 10 Billion shillings from us!" - need I say more? They have lost their relevance in the market!
On 21 March 2012 13:41, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
@Joram,
Hasn't the govt bailed them out before, in addition to the concessions already? And isnt there a limit to how far you can go before you throw in the towel? Also, I'm interested on the public procurement guidelines that would come into play in light of the new constitution, if any.
./bernard
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Joram Mwinamo < joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:
This is a clear case of underestimating the Kenyan business operating environment. The real behind the scenes story is like a movie. But Im sure the government will not let them sink. You and me will bail them out, it happens everywhere in the globe
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:19 AM, James Kagwe <kagwejg@gmail.com>wrote:
This company is suffering from internal sabotage and inefficiencies which are historical like that of KBC. It is only in Telekom / Orange where at this time and age you report an issue like one I had on ISDN failure and it takes more than a month to resolve. This is while very much aware that there are other providers in the market and that one can switch to another one in a twinkle of a second. By the time the service resumed I had already taken another provider.
James
On 3/21/2012 9:35 AM, Moses Muya wrote:
Funny how things turn out! It's difficult to imagine Safaricom used to be a 'department' at Telkom and now the latter is not even the second but a distant third MNO in terms of subscribers and revenue! If a business venture does not make profits,the most reasonable thing to do is to end its operations and not to pour in more money hoping that the tides will turn!
On 21 March 2012 08:21, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh dear.. Telkom wants Sh10bn bailout from taxpayer: http://goo.gl/oqpOJ
./bernard
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@Bernard, What is not healthy about sleuths sniffing Internet traffic? It's been happening anyway, if you ask me. No country in its true senses can leave their cyber traffic unmonitored, lest they be caught flat-footed! Your fears about heading back to the monopoly are simply unfounded in this era - unless you wanna explain why you feel so. On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:34, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
Gents,
Jokes aside, the unfolding events are certainly not healthy for the telcom industry.I fear we might be headed back to a monopoly.
I definitely don't stand to gain.
./bernard
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 12:33 AM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote:
He he, @Wash and @Anthony are the greatest inciters! :)
In other news,Orange does it again! http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate+News/Telkom+Kenya+manager+leave...
On 21 March 2012 16:49, Antony Mwai <antonymwai@gmail.com> wrote:
and the donation will be done through Mpesa! Just in case their network goes down as well!!
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com
wrote:
Or maybe, France Telecom should sell Orange Kenya to Safaricom, so that it becomes a department within Safaricom - as in what goes around comes around??
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 16:25, Chips Funga <chips.funga@yahoo.com>wrote:
It should be Telkom funeral and not fundraising ..it has outlived it usefulness and it should just agree to die gracefully.
------------------------------ *From:* Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> *To:* Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 21, 2012 4:00 PM *Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] Telkom: Let the fundraising begin
Someone says ,"My Telkom lines have been out of order for months.I didn't notice that untill I heard they wanted 10 Billion shillings from us!" - need I say more? They have lost their relevance in the market!
On 21 March 2012 13:41, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
@Joram,
Hasn't the govt bailed them out before, in addition to the concessions already? And isnt there a limit to how far you can go before you throw in the towel? Also, I'm interested on the public procurement guidelines that would come into play in light of the new constitution, if any.
./bernard
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Joram Mwinamo < joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:
This is a clear case of underestimating the Kenyan business operating environment. The real behind the scenes story is like a movie. But Im sure the government will not let them sink. You and me will bail them out, it happens everywhere in the globe
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:19 AM, James Kagwe <kagwejg@gmail.com>wrote:
This company is suffering from internal sabotage and inefficiencies which are historical like that of KBC. It is only in Telekom / Orange where at this time and age you report an issue like one I had on ISDN failure and it takes more than a month to resolve. This is while very much aware that there are other providers in the market and that one can switch to another one in a twinkle of a second. By the time the service resumed I had already taken another provider.
James
On 3/21/2012 9:35 AM, Moses Muya wrote:
Funny how things turn out! It's difficult to imagine Safaricom used to be a 'department' at Telkom and now the latter is not even the second but a distant third MNO in terms of subscribers and revenue! If a business venture does not make profits,the most reasonable thing to do is to end its operations and not to pour in more money hoping that the tides will turn!
On 21 March 2012 08:21, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh dear.. Telkom wants Sh10bn bailout from taxpayer: http://goo.gl/oqpOJ
./bernard
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Wash, Your commenting on the wrong post. My sentiments are about the telkom kenya bailout "appeal" and not about cyber sleuthing. ./bernard On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
@Bernard,
What is not healthy about sleuths sniffing Internet traffic? It's been happening anyway, if you ask me. No country in its true senses can leave their cyber traffic unmonitored, lest they be caught flat-footed! Your fears about heading back to the monopoly are simply unfounded in this era - unless you wanna explain why you feel so.
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:34, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
Gents,
Jokes aside, the unfolding events are certainly not healthy for the telcom industry.I fear we might be headed back to a monopoly.
I definitely don't stand to gain.
./bernard
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 12:33 AM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote:
He he, @Wash and @Anthony are the greatest inciters! :)
In other news,Orange does it again! http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate+News/Telkom+Kenya+manager+leave...
On 21 March 2012 16:49, Antony Mwai <antonymwai@gmail.com> wrote:
and the donation will be done through Mpesa! Just in case their network goes down as well!!
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Or maybe, France Telecom should sell Orange Kenya to Safaricom, so that it becomes a department within Safaricom - as in what goes around comes around??
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 16:25, Chips Funga <chips.funga@yahoo.com>wrote:
It should be Telkom funeral and not fundraising ..it has outlived it usefulness and it should just agree to die gracefully.
------------------------------ *From:* Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> *To:* Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 21, 2012 4:00 PM *Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] Telkom: Let the fundraising begin
Someone says ,"My Telkom lines have been out of order for months.I didn't notice that untill I heard they wanted 10 Billion shillings from us!" - need I say more? They have lost their relevance in the market!
On 21 March 2012 13:41, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
@Joram,
Hasn't the govt bailed them out before, in addition to the concessions already? And isnt there a limit to how far you can go before you throw in the towel? Also, I'm interested on the public procurement guidelines that would come into play in light of the new constitution, if any.
./bernard
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Joram Mwinamo < joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:
This is a clear case of underestimating the Kenyan business operating environment. The real behind the scenes story is like a movie. But Im sure the government will not let them sink. You and me will bail them out, it happens everywhere in the globe
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:19 AM, James Kagwe <kagwejg@gmail.com>wrote:
This company is suffering from internal sabotage and inefficiencies which are historical like that of KBC. It is only in Telekom / Orange where at this time and age you report an issue like one I had on ISDN failure and it takes more than a month to resolve. This is while very much aware that there are other providers in the market and that one can switch to another one in a twinkle of a second. By the time the service resumed I had already taken another provider.
James
On 3/21/2012 9:35 AM, Moses Muya wrote:
Funny how things turn out! It's difficult to imagine Safaricom used to be a 'department' at Telkom and now the latter is not even the second but a distant third MNO in terms of subscribers and revenue! If a business venture does not make profits,the most reasonable thing to do is to end its operations and not to pour in more money hoping that the tides will turn!
On 21 March 2012 08:21, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh dear.. Telkom wants Sh10bn bailout from taxpayer: http://goo.gl/oqpOJ
./bernard
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Sorry, realized it after the "Undo" button already disappeared. Sorry again:-) On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:53, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
Wash,
Your commenting on the wrong post. My sentiments are about the telkom kenya bailout "appeal" and not about cyber sleuthing.
./bernard
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
@Bernard,
What is not healthy about sleuths sniffing Internet traffic? It's been happening anyway, if you ask me. No country in its true senses can leave their cyber traffic unmonitored, lest they be caught flat-footed! Your fears about heading back to the monopoly are simply unfounded in this era - unless you wanna explain why you feel so.
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:34, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com>wrote:
Gents,
Jokes aside, the unfolding events are certainly not healthy for the telcom industry.I fear we might be headed back to a monopoly.
I definitely don't stand to gain.
./bernard
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 12:33 AM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com>wrote:
He he, @Wash and @Anthony are the greatest inciters! :)
In other news,Orange does it again! http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate+News/Telkom+Kenya+manager+leave...
On 21 March 2012 16:49, Antony Mwai <antonymwai@gmail.com> wrote:
and the donation will be done through Mpesa! Just in case their network goes down as well!!
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Or maybe, France Telecom should sell Orange Kenya to Safaricom, so that it becomes a department within Safaricom - as in what goes around comes around??
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 16:25, Chips Funga <chips.funga@yahoo.com>wrote:
> It should be Telkom funeral and not fundraising ..it has outlived > it usefulness and it should just agree to die gracefully. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> > *To:* Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 21, 2012 4:00 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] Telkom: Let the fundraising begin > > Someone says ,"My Telkom lines have been out of order for months.I > didn't notice that untill I heard they wanted 10 Billion shillings from > us!" - need I say more? They have lost their relevance in the market! > > On 21 March 2012 13:41, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote: > > @Joram, > > Hasn't the govt bailed them out before, in addition to the > concessions already? And isnt there a limit to how far you can go before > you throw in the towel? > Also, I'm interested on the public procurement guidelines that would > come into play in light of the new constitution, if any. > > > ./bernard > > > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Joram Mwinamo < > joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote: > > This is a clear case of underestimating the Kenyan business > operating environment. The real behind the scenes story is like a movie. > But Im sure the government will not let them sink. You and me will bail > them out, it happens everywhere in the globe > > > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:19 AM, James Kagwe <kagwejg@gmail.com>wrote: > > This company is suffering from internal sabotage and inefficiencies > which are historical like that of KBC. It is only in Telekom / Orange where > at this time and age you report an issue like one I had on ISDN failure and > it takes more than a month to resolve. This is while very much aware that > there are other providers in the market and that one can switch to another > one in a twinkle of a second. By the time the service resumed I had already > taken another provider. > > James > > > On 3/21/2012 9:35 AM, Moses Muya wrote: > > Funny how things turn out! It's difficult to imagine Safaricom used > to be a 'department' at Telkom and now the latter is not even the second > but a distant third MNO in terms of subscribers and revenue! If a business > venture does not make profits,the most reasonable thing to do is to end its > operations and not to pour in more money hoping that the tides will turn! > > On 21 March 2012 08:21, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote: > > Oh dear.. Telkom wants Sh10bn bailout from taxpayer: > http://goo.gl/oqpOJ > > ./bernard > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > > > -- > Kind Regards, > > Moses Muya. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing listSkunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribehttp://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Ruleshttp://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > > > -- > Sent from my Voice Recognition Watch© > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Our greatest fear is not that we are inadequate,but that we are > powerful beyond measure.It is our light, not our darkness, that frightens > us.There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't > feel insecure around you.As we let our own light shine, we consciously give > other people permission to do the same. > As we are liberated from our fear,our presence automatically > liberates others. > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > > > -- > Kind Regards, > > Moses Muya. > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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let the sleeping dog lie.... On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
Sorry, realized it after the "Undo" button already disappeared. Sorry again:-)
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:53, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
Wash,
Your commenting on the wrong post. My sentiments are about the telkom kenya bailout "appeal" and not about cyber sleuthing.
./bernard
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com
wrote:
@Bernard,
What is not healthy about sleuths sniffing Internet traffic? It's been happening anyway, if you ask me. No country in its true senses can leave their cyber traffic unmonitored, lest they be caught flat-footed! Your fears about heading back to the monopoly are simply unfounded in this era - unless you wanna explain why you feel so.
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:34, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com>wrote:
Gents,
Jokes aside, the unfolding events are certainly not healthy for the telcom industry.I fear we might be headed back to a monopoly.
I definitely don't stand to gain.
./bernard
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 12:33 AM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com>wrote:
He he, @Wash and @Anthony are the greatest inciters! :)
In other news,Orange does it again! http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate+News/Telkom+Kenya+manager+leave...
On 21 March 2012 16:49, Antony Mwai <antonymwai@gmail.com> wrote:
and the donation will be done through Mpesa! Just in case their network goes down as well!!
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
> Or maybe, France Telecom should sell Orange Kenya to Safaricom, so > that it becomes a department within Safaricom - as in what goes around > comes around?? > > > > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 16:25, Chips Funga <chips.funga@yahoo.com>wrote: > >> It should be Telkom funeral and not fundraising ..it has outlived >> it usefulness and it should just agree to die gracefully. >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> >> *To:* Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 21, 2012 4:00 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] Telkom: Let the fundraising begin >> >> Someone says ,"My Telkom lines have been out of order for months.I >> didn't notice that untill I heard they wanted 10 Billion shillings from >> us!" - need I say more? They have lost their relevance in the market! >> >> On 21 March 2012 13:41, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> @Joram, >> >> Hasn't the govt bailed them out before, in addition to the >> concessions already? And isnt there a limit to how far you can go before >> you throw in the towel? >> Also, I'm interested on the public procurement guidelines that >> would come into play in light of the new constitution, if any. >> >> >> ./bernard >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Joram Mwinamo < >> joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> This is a clear case of underestimating the Kenyan business >> operating environment. The real behind the scenes story is like a movie. >> But Im sure the government will not let them sink. You and me will bail >> them out, it happens everywhere in the globe >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:19 AM, James Kagwe <kagwejg@gmail.com>wrote: >> >> This company is suffering from internal sabotage and >> inefficiencies which are historical like that of KBC. It is only in Telekom >> / Orange where at this time and age you report an issue like one I had on >> ISDN failure and it takes more than a month to resolve. This is while very >> much aware that there are other providers in the market and that one can >> switch to another one in a twinkle of a second. By the time the service >> resumed I had already taken another provider. >> >> James >> >> >> On 3/21/2012 9:35 AM, Moses Muya wrote: >> >> Funny how things turn out! It's difficult to imagine Safaricom used >> to be a 'department' at Telkom and now the latter is not even the second >> but a distant third MNO in terms of subscribers and revenue! If a business >> venture does not make profits,the most reasonable thing to do is to end its >> operations and not to pour in more money hoping that the tides will turn! >> >> On 21 March 2012 08:21, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Oh dear.. Telkom wants Sh10bn bailout from taxpayer: >> http://goo.gl/oqpOJ >> >> ./bernard >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Kind Regards, >> >> Moses Muya. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing listSkunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribehttp://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Ruleshttp://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from my Voice Recognition Watch© >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Our greatest fear is not that we are inadequate,but that we are >> powerful beyond measure.It is our light, not our darkness, that frightens >> us.There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't >> feel insecure around you.As we let our own light shine, we consciously give >> other people permission to do the same. >> As we are liberated from our fear,our presence automatically >> liberates others. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Kind Regards, >> >> Moses Muya. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254733744121/+254722743223 > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. > Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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Did anyone see GADO's depiction of this in today's Daily Nation? Check it out and laughter will ensue _______________________________________________ *Without requirements or design, programming is the art of adding bugs to an empty text file.* _______________________________________________ * * 2012/3/22 Joseph Maina <mainasoft00@gmail.com>
let the sleeping dog lie....
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
Sorry, realized it after the "Undo" button already disappeared. Sorry again:-)
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:53, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com>wrote:
Wash,
Your commenting on the wrong post. My sentiments are about the telkom kenya bailout "appeal" and not about cyber sleuthing.
./bernard
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
@Bernard,
What is not healthy about sleuths sniffing Internet traffic? It's been happening anyway, if you ask me. No country in its true senses can leave their cyber traffic unmonitored, lest they be caught flat-footed! Your fears about heading back to the monopoly are simply unfounded in this era - unless you wanna explain why you feel so.
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:34, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com>wrote:
Gents,
Jokes aside, the unfolding events are certainly not healthy for the telcom industry.I fear we might be headed back to a monopoly.
I definitely don't stand to gain.
./bernard
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 12:33 AM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com>wrote:
He he, @Wash and @Anthony are the greatest inciters! :)
In other news,Orange does it again! http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate+News/Telkom+Kenya+manager+leave...
On 21 March 2012 16:49, Antony Mwai <antonymwai@gmail.com> wrote:
> and the donation will be done through Mpesa! Just in case their > network goes down as well!! > > > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Odhiambo Washington < > odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Or maybe, France Telecom should sell Orange Kenya to Safaricom, so >> that it becomes a department within Safaricom - as in what goes around >> comes around?? >> >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 16:25, Chips Funga <chips.funga@yahoo.com>wrote: >> >>> It should be Telkom funeral and not fundraising ..it has >>> outlived it usefulness and it should just agree to die gracefully. >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> >>> *To:* Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 21, 2012 4:00 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] Telkom: Let the fundraising begin >>> >>> Someone says ,"My Telkom lines have been out of order for months.I >>> didn't notice that untill I heard they wanted 10 Billion shillings from >>> us!" - need I say more? They have lost their relevance in the market! >>> >>> On 21 March 2012 13:41, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>> @Joram, >>> >>> Hasn't the govt bailed them out before, in addition to the >>> concessions already? And isnt there a limit to how far you can go before >>> you throw in the towel? >>> Also, I'm interested on the public procurement guidelines that >>> would come into play in light of the new constitution, if any. >>> >>> >>> ./bernard >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Joram Mwinamo < >>> joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> This is a clear case of underestimating the Kenyan business >>> operating environment. The real behind the scenes story is like a movie. >>> But Im sure the government will not let them sink. You and me will bail >>> them out, it happens everywhere in the globe >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:19 AM, James Kagwe <kagwejg@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>> This company is suffering from internal sabotage and >>> inefficiencies which are historical like that of KBC. It is only in Telekom >>> / Orange where at this time and age you report an issue like one I had on >>> ISDN failure and it takes more than a month to resolve. This is while very >>> much aware that there are other providers in the market and that one can >>> switch to another one in a twinkle of a second. By the time the service >>> resumed I had already taken another provider. >>> >>> James >>> >>> >>> On 3/21/2012 9:35 AM, Moses Muya wrote: >>> >>> Funny how things turn out! It's difficult to imagine Safaricom >>> used to be a 'department' at Telkom and now the latter is not even the >>> second but a distant third MNO in terms of subscribers and revenue! If a >>> business venture does not make profits,the most reasonable thing to do is >>> to end its operations and not to pour in more money hoping that the tides >>> will turn! >>> >>> On 21 March 2012 08:21, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>> Oh dear.. Telkom wants Sh10bn bailout from taxpayer: >>> http://goo.gl/oqpOJ >>> >>> ./bernard >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Skunkworks mailing list >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Kind Regards, >>> >>> Moses Muya. >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Skunkworks mailing listSkunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribehttp://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Ruleshttp://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Skunkworks mailing list >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sent from my Voice Recognition Watch© >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Our greatest fear is not that we are inadequate,but that we are >>> powerful beyond measure.It is our light, not our darkness, that frightens >>> us.There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't >>> feel insecure around you.As we let our own light shine, we consciously give >>> other people permission to do the same. >>> As we are liberated from our fear,our presence automatically >>> liberates others. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Skunkworks mailing list >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Skunkworks mailing list >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Kind Regards, >>> >>> Moses Muya. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Skunkworks mailing list >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Skunkworks mailing list >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >> Nairobi,KE >> +254733744121/+254722743223 >> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ >> I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. >> Please consider the environment before printing this email. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > > -- > > Regards, > > A. 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Antony Mwai -
Bernard Mwagiru -
Chips Funga -
David Kiania -
James Kagwe -
James Nzomo -
Jared Koyier -
Joram Mwinamo -
Joseph Maina -
Moses Muya -
Odhiambo Washington