Here is the problem : Its going to be costly, and the cost will be transferred to us, and may not necessarily achieve the intended purpose: reasons: 1: Physical verification of documents will not be cheap, take for instance safaricom. automatic verification is not practical (unless they pursue an integration of births registry with immigration and other departments and just integrate the data. The cost will be borne by safaricom, trust me. 2: If the objective is to track criminal activitied on phone, then criminals might just resort to using stolen phones. :-( 3: The institutions currently existing have the needed resources to track mobile phone users. if not, the contacts for Cloie O'brien should be somewhere out there. she can sort them out. :-)) On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Theus Owicho <owichot@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Skunks

I hear that this is after a "roadside" declaration by the president through his VP.

A great read here http://bit.ly/9pox6O

I am not seeing myself registering my SIM card

Across Europe, I found you could just buy a SIM card and use it. No one really bothered. However in Singapore, you don't get to buy a SIM card if you don't have proper identification, and they take a copy of your identification to accompany the registration! If, for instance, you call for a taxi (Taxi companies there are registered and individuals CANNOT operate taxis!) and disappear with another one that just happened to be nearer, you will receive a bill anyway:-)

Now, personally, I don't see anything ill with the requirement that we register SIM cards, and I am not opposed to the govt using my information. After all, the govt controls everything, bar for the air you breath, no? That is why it is government. You don't wish you were in Somalia, right?

I really don't understand why someone would NOT want to register their SIM cards.

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Friends , this is common practice in Europe as Wash aptly captured it, we must look at it from the point of Merit and demerits of not registering the Sim card, i suppose this was long overdue, i remember buying my sim in 2002 and i had to register, then the practice was discarded ostensibly to promote growth of the industry which has already taken place , i suppose the next step would be to manage this growth, which is why registration is key. On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Larry Madowo <larrymads@gmail.com> wrote:

People, Though it might seem logistically insurmountable by Safaricom to register all the nearly 16m SIM cards on its network, almost half of them are on M-Pesa so they need not register again. In the over a month that the rest have, most will show up at service centres for one reason or another and get registered. The ones that do not will have their numbers disconnected come July 30th. This will achieve two things: the people who've held multiple SIM cards for one reason or another will lose them and the genuine ones will rush to their service providers to reactivate their phones, and get registered. Having said that, there is no legal basis for this as yet though the law is just being drawn up but it seems the CCK and the government are pretty hellbent on pushing this through for security reasons. Larry out

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 1:16 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Here is the problem : Its going to be costly, and the cost will be transferred to us, and may not necessarily achieve the intended purpose: reasons: 1: Physical verification of documents will not be cheap, take for instance safaricom. automatic verification is not practical (unless they pursue an integration of births registry with immigration and other departments and just integrate the data. The cost will be borne by safaricom, trust me. 2: If the objective is to track criminal activitied on phone, then criminals might just resort to using stolen phones. :-( 3: The institutions currently existing have the needed resources to track mobile phone users. if not, the contacts for Cloie O'brien should be somewhere out there. she can sort them out. :-))

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:

...

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Theus Owicho <owichot@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Skunks I hear that this is after a "roadside" declaration by the president through his VP. A great read here http://bit.ly/9pox6O I am not seeing myself registering my SIM card

Across Europe, I found you could just buy a SIM card and use it. No one really bothered. However in Singapore, you don't get to buy a SIM card if you don't have proper identification, and they take a copy of your identification to accompany the registration! If, for instance, you call for a taxi (Taxi companies there are registered and individuals CANNOT operate taxis!) and disappear with another one that just happened to be nearer, you will receive a bill anyway:-) Now, personally, I don't see anything ill with the requirement that we register SIM cards, and I am not opposed to the govt using my information. After all, the govt controls everything, bar for the air you breath, no? That is why it is government. You don't wish you were in Somalia, right? I really don't understand why someone would NOT want to register their SIM cards.

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@ Brianiac I think you got it all wrong. There is no additional cost.They just want to know who owns what line. They already have that with Mpesa,zap ETC....and that did not translate to additional cost. For me the Idea is most welcome...if you have nothing to hide.(that is).It will also help to establish the real market indicators for the Industry. On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>wrote:

I have registered today at a safaricom dealer ...am on MPESA and PPD - but they insist.

took less than 5 mins...

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Friends , this is common practice in Europe as Wash aptly captured it, we must look at it from the point of Merit and demerits of not registering the Sim card, i suppose this was long overdue, i remember buying my sim in 2002 and i had to register, then the practice was discarded ostensibly to promote growth of the industry which has already taken place , i suppose the next step would be to manage this growth, which is why registration is key.

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Larry Madowo <larrymads@gmail.com> wrote:

...

People, Though it might seem logistically insurmountable by Safaricom to register all the nearly 16m SIM cards on its network, almost half of them are on M-Pesa so they need not register again. In the over a month that the rest have, most will show up at service centres for one reason or another and get registered. The ones that do not will have their numbers disconnected come July 30th. This will achieve two things: the people who've held multiple SIM cards for one reason or another will lose them and the genuine ones will rush to their service providers to reactivate their phones, and get registered. Having said that, there is no legal basis for this as yet though the law is just being drawn up but it seems the CCK and the government are pretty hellbent on pushing this through for security reasons. Larry out

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 1:16 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Here is the problem : Its going to be costly, and the cost will be transferred to us, and may not necessarily achieve the intended purpose: reasons: 1: Physical verification of documents will not be cheap, take for

instance

...

safaricom. automatic verification is not practical (unless they pursue an integration of births registry with immigration and other departments and just integrate the data. The cost will be borne by safaricom, trust me. 2: If the objective is to track criminal activitied on phone, then criminals might just resort to using stolen phones. :-( 3: The institutions currently existing have the needed resources to track mobile phone users. if not, the contacts for Cloie O'brien should be somewhere out there. she can sort them out. :-))

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:

...

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Theus Owicho <owichot@gmail.com>

wrote:

...

...

Skunks I hear that this is after a "roadside" declaration by the president through his VP. A great read here http://bit.ly/9pox6O I am not seeing myself registering my SIM card

Across Europe, I found you could just buy a SIM card and use it. No one really bothered. However in Singapore, you don't get to buy a SIM card if you don't have proper identification, and they take a copy of your identification to accompany the registration! If, for instance, you call for a taxi (Taxi companies there are registered and individuals CANNOT operate taxis!) and disappear with another one that just happened to be nearer, you will receive a bill anyway:-) Now, personally, I don't see anything ill with the requirement that we register SIM cards, and I am not opposed to the govt using my information. After all, the govt controls everything, bar for the air you breath, no? That is why it is government. You don't wish you were in Somalia, right? I really don't understand why someone would NOT want to register their SIM cards.

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I think only filling the form is manual...from there you can automate On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 3:43 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:

the idea is anything that involves "physical verification of documents" will have a MAN HOURS cost to do. Think of counting votes manually, and the cost of staff to do that. or simply voter registration process....

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Joseph McDonald <mcdonaldoj@gmail.com>wrote:

...

@ Brianiac I think you got it all wrong.

There is no additional cost.They just want to know who owns what line.

They already have that with Mpesa,zap ETC....and that did not translate to additional cost.

For me the Idea is most welcome...if you have nothing to hide.(that is).It will also help to establish the real market indicators for the Industry.

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>wrote:

...

I have registered today at a safaricom dealer ...am on MPESA and PPD - but they insist.

took less than 5 mins...

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Friends , this is common practice in Europe as Wash aptly captured it, we must look at it from the point of Merit and demerits of not registering the Sim card, i suppose this was long overdue, i remember buying my sim in 2002 and i had to register, then the practice was discarded ostensibly to promote growth of the industry which has already taken place , i suppose the next step would be to manage this growth, which is why registration is key.

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Larry Madowo <larrymads@gmail.com> wrote:

...

People, Though it might seem logistically insurmountable by Safaricom to register all the nearly 16m SIM cards on its network, almost half of them are on M-Pesa so they need not register again. In the over a month that the rest have, most will show up at service centres for one reason or another and get registered. The ones that do not will have their numbers disconnected come July 30th. This will achieve two things: the people who've held multiple SIM cards for one reason or another will lose them and the genuine ones will rush to their service providers to reactivate their phones, and get registered. Having said that, there is no legal basis for this as yet though the law is just being drawn up but it seems the CCK and the government are pretty hellbent on pushing this through for security reasons. Larry out

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 1:16 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com

...

wrote:

...

Here is the problem : Its going to be costly, and the cost will be transferred to us, and

may

...

not necessarily achieve the intended purpose: reasons: 1: Physical verification of documents will not be cheap, take for instance safaricom. automatic verification is not practical (unless they pursue an integration of births registry with immigration and other departments and just integrate the data. The cost will be borne by safaricom, trust me. 2: If the objective is to track criminal activitied on phone, then criminals might just resort to using stolen phones. :-( 3: The institutions currently existing have the needed resources to track mobile phone users. if not, the contacts for Cloie O'brien should be somewhere out there. she can sort them out. :-))

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Theus Owicho <owichot@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Skunks >> I hear that this is after a "roadside" declaration by the president >> through his VP. >> A great read here http://bit.ly/9pox6O >> I am not seeing myself registering my SIM card > > Across Europe, I found you could just buy a SIM card and use it. No one > really bothered. > However in Singapore, you don't get to buy a SIM card if you don't have > proper identification, and they take a copy of your identification to > accompany the registration! If, for instance, you call for a taxi (Taxi > companies there are registered and individuals CANNOT operate taxis!) and > disappear with another one that just happened to be nearer, you will receive > a bill anyway:-) > Now, personally, I don't see anything ill with the requirement that we > register SIM cards, and I am not opposed to the govt using my information. > After all, the govt controls everything, bar for the air you breath, no? > That is why it is government. You don't wish you were in Somalia, right? > I really don't understand why someone would NOT want to register their > SIM cards. > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254733744121/+254722743223 > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." > -- Lucky Dube > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet > > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke

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My only concern, there's still no legislation on privacy and data protection and that is a lot of info they'll be collecting. On 6/23/10, Joseph McDonald <mcdonaldoj@gmail.com> wrote:

I think only filling the form is manual...from there you can automate

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 3:43 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:

...

the idea is anything that involves "physical verification of documents" will have a MAN HOURS cost to do. Think of counting votes manually, and the cost of staff to do that. or simply voter registration process....

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Joseph McDonald <mcdonaldoj@gmail.com>wrote:

...

@ Brianiac I think you got it all wrong.

There is no additional cost.They just want to know who owns what line.

They already have that with Mpesa,zap ETC....and that did not translate to additional cost.

For me the Idea is most welcome...if you have nothing to hide.(that is).It will also help to establish the real market indicators for the Industry.

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>wrote:

...

I have registered today at a safaricom dealer ...am on MPESA and PPD - but they insist.

took less than 5 mins...

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Friends , this is common practice in Europe as Wash aptly captured it, we must look at it from the point of Merit and demerits of not registering the Sim card, i suppose this was long overdue, i remember buying my sim in 2002 and i had to register, then the practice was discarded ostensibly to promote growth of the industry which has already taken place , i suppose the next step would be to manage this growth, which is why registration is key.

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Larry Madowo <larrymads@gmail.com> wrote:

...

People, Though it might seem logistically insurmountable by Safaricom to register all the nearly 16m SIM cards on its network, almost half of them are on M-Pesa so they need not register again. In the over a month that the rest have, most will show up at service centres for one reason or another and get registered. The ones that do not will have their numbers disconnected come July 30th. This will achieve two things: the people who've held multiple SIM cards for one reason or another will lose them and the genuine ones will rush to their service providers to reactivate their phones, and get registered. Having said that, there is no legal basis for this as yet though the law is just being drawn up but it seems the CCK and the government are pretty hellbent on pushing this through for security reasons. Larry out

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 1:16 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com

...

wrote: > > Here is the problem : > Its going to be costly, and the cost will be transferred to us, and may > not necessarily achieve the intended purpose: > reasons: > 1: Physical verification of documents will not be cheap, take for instance > safaricom. automatic verification is not practical (unless they pursue an > integration of births registry with immigration and other > departments and > just integrate the data. The cost will be borne by safaricom, trust me. > 2: If the objective is to track criminal activitied on phone, then > criminals might just resort to using stolen phones. :-( > 3: The institutions currently existing have the needed resources to track > mobile phone users. if not, the contacts for Cloie O'brien should be > somewhere out there. she can sort them out. > :-)) > > On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Theus Owicho <owichot@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Skunks >>> I hear that this is after a "roadside" declaration by the >>> president >>> through his VP. >>> A great read here http://bit.ly/9pox6O >>> I am not seeing myself registering my SIM card >> >> Across Europe, I found you could just buy a SIM card and use it. No one >> really bothered. >> However in Singapore, you don't get to buy a SIM card if you don't have >> proper identification, and they take a copy of your identification to >> accompany the registration! If, for instance, you call for a taxi (Taxi >> companies there are registered and individuals CANNOT operate taxis!) and >> disappear with another one that just happened to be nearer, you >> will receive >> a bill anyway:-) >> Now, personally, I don't see anything ill with the requirement that we >> register SIM cards, and I am not opposed to the govt using my information. >> After all, the govt controls everything, bar for the air you >> breath, no? >> That is why it is government. You don't wish you were in Somalia, right? >> I really don't understand why someone would NOT want to register their >> SIM cards. >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >> Nairobi,KE >> +254733744121/+254722743223 >> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ >> "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." >> -- Lucky Dube >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet >> >> http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > > -- > Posted on 100% recycled electrons > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet > > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke

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from my understanding if one is already registered for mpesa and the like, CCK may have the details they require, hence, you may already be registered without your knowledge!!! On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Luke Kuvheya <tendayi.kuvheya@gmail.com>wrote:

I think its a noble idea for the registration and i agree with Brainiac, these cost will reach us, the end users. An example Look at the MPesa registration it is semi automated and "physical id verification" is unavoidable. Can we be protected as they do this process, as it is now our data will be out there at the mercy of the integrity of these providers.

my 2cents

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My only concern, there's still no legislation on privacy and data protection and that is a lot of info they'll be collecting.

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I think only filling the form is manual...from there you can automate

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 3:43 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com wrote:

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the idea is anything that involves "physical verification of documents" will have a MAN HOURS cost to do. Think of counting votes manually, and the cost of staff to do that. or simply voter registration process....

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Joseph McDonald <mcdonaldoj@gmail.com>wrote:

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@ Brianiac I think you got it all wrong.

There is no additional cost.They just want to know who owns what line.

They already have that with Mpesa,zap ETC....and that did not translate to additional cost.

For me the Idea is most welcome...if you have nothing to hide.(that is).It will also help to establish the real market indicators for the Industry.

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>wrote:

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I have registered today at a safaricom dealer ...am on MPESA and PPD

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but they insist.

took less than 5 mins...

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: > Friends , this is common practice in Europe as Wash aptly captured it, > we must look at it from the point of Merit and demerits of not > registering the Sim card, i suppose this was long overdue, i remember > buying my sim in 2002 and i had to register, then the practice was > discarded ostensibly to promote growth of the industry which has > already taken place , i suppose the next step would be to manage this > growth, which is why registration is key. > > On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Larry Madowo < larrymads@gmail.com> wrote: >> People, >> Though it might seem logistically insurmountable by Safaricom to register >> all the nearly 16m SIM cards on its network, almost half of them are on >> M-Pesa so they need not register again. In the over a month that the rest >> have, most will show up at service centres for one reason or another and get >> registered. The ones that do not will have their numbers disconnected come >> July 30th. This will achieve two things: the people who've held multiple SIM >> cards for one reason or another will lose them and the genuine ones will >> rush to their service providers to reactivate their phones, and get >> registered. >> Having said that, there is no legal basis for this as yet though the law is >> just being drawn up but it seems the CCK and the government are >> pretty >> hellbent on pushing this through for security reasons. >> Larry out >> >> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 1:16 PM, [ Brainiac ] < arebacollins@gmail.com > >> wrote: >>> >>> Here is the problem : >>> Its going to be costly, and the cost will be transferred to us, and may >>> not necessarily achieve the intended purpose: >>> reasons: >>> 1: Physical verification of documents will not be cheap, take for instance >>> safaricom. automatic verification is not practical (unless they pursue an >>> integration of births registry with immigration and other >>> departments and >>> just integrate the data. The cost will be borne by safaricom, trust me. >>> 2: If the objective is to track criminal activitied on phone, then >>> criminals might just resort to using stolen phones. :-( >>> 3: The institutions currently existing have the needed resources to track >>> mobile phone users. if not, the contacts for Cloie O'brien should be >>> somewhere out there. she can sort them out. >>> :-)) >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Theus Owicho < owichot@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Skunks >>>>> I hear that this is after a "roadside" declaration by the >>>>> president >>>>> through his VP. >>>>> A great read here http://bit.ly/9pox6O >>>>> I am not seeing myself registering my SIM card >>>> >>>> Across Europe, I found you could just buy a SIM card and use it. No one >>>> really bothered. >>>> However in Singapore, you don't get to buy a SIM card if you don't have >>>> proper identification, and they take a copy of your identification to >>>> accompany the registration! If, for instance, you call for a taxi (Taxi >>>> companies there are registered and individuals CANNOT operate taxis!) and >>>> disappear with another one that just happened to be nearer, you >>>> will receive >>>> a bill anyway:-) >>>> Now, personally, I don't see anything ill with the requirement that we >>>> register SIM cards, and I am not opposed to the govt using my information. >>>> After all, the govt controls everything, bar for the air you >>>> breath, no? >>>> That is why it is government. You don't wish you were in Somalia, right? >>>> I really don't understand why someone would NOT want to register their >>>> SIM cards. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Best regards, >>>> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >>>> Nairobi,KE >>>> +254733744121/+254722743223 >>>> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ >>>> "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." >>>> -- Lucky Dube >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet >>>> >>>>

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On 24/06/2010, David Njuguna <dnjuguna@gmail.com> wrote:

I got it from an authoritative source that we all need register afresh. It does not matter whether you are registered for MPESA etc.

I called Zain customer care yesterday and was told if I registered for Zap, I don't need to have my line registered again. Maybe that's with Zain only.

D On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Japheth Kioko <japhking@gmail.com> wrote:

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from my understanding if one is already registered for mpesa and the like, CCK may have the details they require, hence, you may already be registered without your knowledge!!!

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Luke Kuvheya <tendayi.kuvheya@gmail.com>wrote:

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I think its a noble idea for the registration and i agree with Brainiac, these cost will reach us, the end users. An example Look at the MPesa registration it is semi automated and "physical id verification" is unavoidable. Can we be protected as they do this process, as it is now our data will be out there at the mercy of the integrity of these providers.

my 2cents

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Wanjiru Njoroge < wanjirunjoroge@gmail.com> wrote:

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My only concern, there's still no legislation on privacy and data protection and that is a lot of info they'll be collecting.

They have been collecting this data without legislation on privacy yet we don't fret over the same. The option we've been given is: register or be 'off the grid'

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On 6/23/10, Joseph McDonald <mcdonaldoj@gmail.com> wrote:

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I think only filling the form is manual...from there you can automate

Alternatively, download the form if available online, covert it into word, input your info, print and drop it at your service provider!

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the idea is anything that involves "physical verification of

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will have a MAN HOURS cost to do. Think of counting votes manually, and the cost of staff to do that. or simply voter registration process....

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Joseph McDonald <mcdonaldoj@gmail.com>wrote:

> @ Brianiac I think you got it all wrong. > > There is no additional cost.They just want to know who owns what line. > > They already have that with Mpesa,zap ETC....and that did not translate > to > additional cost. > > For me the Idea is most welcome...if you have nothing to hide.(that > is).It > will also help to establish the real market indicators for the Industry. > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng > <ajochola@gmail.com>wrote: > >> I have registered today at a safaricom dealer ...am on MPESA and >> PPD

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>> but they insist. >> >> took less than 5 mins... >> >> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Barrack Otieno >> <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Friends , this is common practice in Europe as Wash aptly >> > captured it, >> > we must look at it from the point of Merit and demerits of not >> > registering the Sim card, i suppose this was long overdue, i remember >> > buying my sim in 2002 and i had to register, then the practice >> > was >> > discarded ostensibly to promote growth of the industry which has >> > already taken place , i suppose the next step would be to manage this >> > growth, which is why registration is key. >> > >> > On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Larry Madowo < larrymads@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> People, >> >> Though it might seem logistically insurmountable by Safaricom to >> register >> >> all the nearly 16m SIM cards on its network, almost half of them are >> on >> >> M-Pesa so they need not register again. In the over a month that the >> rest >> >> have, most will show up at service centres for one reason or another >> and get >> >> registered. The ones that do not will have their numbers disconnected >> come >> >> July 30th. This will achieve two things: the people who've held >> multiple SIM >> >> cards for one reason or another will lose them and the genuine ones >> will >> >> rush to their service providers to reactivate their phones, and get >> >> registered. >> >> Having said that, there is no legal basis for this as yet though the >> law is >> >> just being drawn up but it seems the CCK and the government are >> >> pretty >> >> hellbent on pushing this through for security reasons. >> >> Larry out >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 1:16 PM, [ Brainiac ] < arebacollins@gmail.com >> > >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Here is the problem : >> >>> Its going to be costly, and the cost will be transferred to us, and >> may >> >>> not necessarily achieve the intended purpose: >> >>> reasons: >> >>> 1: Physical verification of documents will not be cheap, take for >> instance >> >>> safaricom. automatic verification is not practical (unless they >> pursue an >> >>> integration of births registry with immigration and other >> >>> departments >> and >> >>> just integrate the data. The cost will be borne by safaricom, trust >> me. >> >>> 2: If the objective is to track criminal activitied on phone, then >> >>> criminals might just resort to using stolen phones. :-( >> >>> 3: The institutions currently existing have the needed >> >>> resources to >> track >> >>> mobile phone users. if not, the contacts for Cloie O'brien should be >> >>> somewhere out there. she can sort them out. >> >>> :-)) >> >>> >> >>> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Odhiambo Washington < >> odhiambo@gmail.com> >> >>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Theus Owicho < owichot@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Skunks >> >>>>> I hear that this is after a "roadside" declaration by the >> >>>>> president >> >>>>> through his VP. >> >>>>> A great read here http://bit.ly/9pox6O >> >>>>> I am not seeing myself registering my SIM card >> >>>> >> >>>> Across Europe, I found you could just buy a SIM card and use it. No >> one >> >>>> really bothered. >> >>>> However in Singapore, you don't get to buy a SIM card if you don't >> have >> >>>> proper identification, and they take a copy of your identification >> to >> >>>> accompany the registration! If, for instance, you call for a taxi >> (Taxi >> >>>> companies there are registered and individuals CANNOT operate >> taxis!) and >> >>>> disappear with another one that just happened to be nearer, >> >>>> you >> >>>> will >> receive >> >>>> a bill anyway:-) >> >>>> Now, personally, I don't see anything ill with the requirement that >> we >> >>>> register SIM cards, and I am not opposed to the govt using my >> information. >> >>>> After all, the govt controls everything, bar for the air you >> >>>> breath, >> no? >> >>>> That is why it is government. 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have just received a message from Safaricom exempting M-Kesho clients but it does not mention Mpesa. On 6/24/2010 2:57 PM, Larry Madowo wrote:

David,

Your source is not authoritative enough. This is a press release out of Safaricom today.

From: "Rodgers Wabito" <rodgers@ginadin.com <mailto:rodgers@ginadin.com>> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 11:15:05 To: <rodgers@ginadin.com <mailto:rodgers@ginadin.com>> Subject: Safaricom says M-PESA and PostPay customers exempt from SIM Card Registration,

Safaricom says M-PESA and PostPay customers exempt from SIM Card Registration, Urges Subscribers to Follow State Directive

Nairobi, June 23, 2010...Leading communications firm Safaricom has clarified that it's M-PESA and PostPay customers do not have to register their lines afresh under the SIM card registration directive currently being implemented in the country.

Even then, such customers may make time to verify their details as received and recorded by the firm.

The two services already require one's personal details to be registered when signing a contract with Safaricom, under the Know Your Customer (KYC) and other prudential rules which have always been strictly enforced by Safaricom.

With M-PESA commanding about 10 million subscribers, this announcement is expected to be a major reprieve for the firm's customers. It means that out of a total subscriber roll of over 15 million, only about 5 million are required to register under the presidential directive.

Safaricom had already kicked off the registration process at it's over 31 Safaricom Retail Centers countrywide following the Government directive requiring all mobile phone SIM cards to be registered by end of July 2010. Subscribers can also register their details at 2,500 Safaricom dealer outlets and 1,600 M-PESA agents countrywide.

Under the new rules, users are required to give their postal and physical address, date of birth and alternative phone numbers, besides their names and identity cards. The directive also applies to those buying new SIM cards.

Safaricom Chief Executive Officer Michael Joseph, is now urging all Safaricom subscribers to visit the company's retail outlets and other registration points countrywide to have their SIM cards registered.

"We have put in place all the necessary measures to ensure a smooth process. Besides our Retail Centers, dealers and M-PESA agents have also been mobilized and sensitized to assist in this important process. They can also download the registration form from our website <http://www.safaricom.co.ke/> www.safaricom.co.ke <http://www.safaricom.co.ke/> or portal www.safaricom.com <http://www.safaricom.com/>, print it out and present the completed form at any of our registration centres. We are urging our subscribers not to wait till the last minute to register," he said.

Minors with SIM cards will be required to be accompanied by an adult, who will register as the owner of the card and the minor as the user. Subscribers are not supposed to pay any cash in order to get the forms and should report anyone asking for cash for the same.

On Monday, June 21, market regulator Communications Commission of Kenya, with the support of the country's four mobile operators launched a campaign for SIM card registration. This follows a presidential directive issued in July last year. The move was occasioned by widespread crime being perpetrated through mobile phone lines, and is expected to act as a deterrent, while making the work of investigating agencies easier.

ENDS.

On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com <mailto:solo.mburu@gmail.com>> wrote:

On 24/06/2010, David Njuguna <dnjuguna@gmail.com <mailto:dnjuguna@gmail.com>> wrote: > I got it from an authoritative source that we all need register afresh. It > does not matter whether you are registered for MPESA etc. > I called Zain customer care yesterday and was told if I registered for Zap, I don't need to have my line registered again. Maybe that's with Zain only.

> D > On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Japheth Kioko <japhking@gmail.com <mailto:japhking@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> from my understanding if one is already registered for mpesa and the like, >> CCK may have the details they require, hence, you may already be >> registered >> without your knowledge!!! >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Luke Kuvheya >> <tendayi.kuvheya@gmail.com <mailto:tendayi.kuvheya@gmail.com>>wrote: >> >>> I think its a noble idea for the registration and i agree with Brainiac, >>> these cost will reach us, the end users. An example Look at the MPesa >>> registration it is semi automated and "physical id verification" is >>> unavoidable. Can we be protected as they do this process, as it is now >>> our >>> data will be out there at the mercy of the integrity of these providers. >>> >>> my 2cents >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Wanjiru Njoroge < >>> wanjirunjoroge@gmail.com <mailto:wanjirunjoroge@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>>> My only concern, there's still no legislation on privacy and data >>>> protection and that is a lot of info they'll be collecting.

They have been collecting this data without legislation on privacy yet we don't fret over the same. The option we've been given is: register or be 'off the grid' >>>> >>>> >>>> On 6/23/10, Joseph McDonald <mcdonaldoj@gmail.com <mailto:mcdonaldoj@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> > I think only filling the form is manual...from there you can automate

Alternatively, download the form if available online, covert it into word, input your info, print and drop it at your service provider! >>>> > >>>> > On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 3:43 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com> >>>> >wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> the idea is anything that involves "physical verification of >>>> documents" >>>> >> will have a MAN HOURS cost to do. Think of counting votes manually, >>>> and >>>> >> the >>>> >> cost of staff to do that. or simply voter registration process.... >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Joseph McDonald >>>> >> <mcdonaldoj@gmail.com <mailto:mcdonaldoj@gmail.com>>wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >>> @ Brianiac I think you got it all wrong. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> There is no additional cost.They just want to know who owns what >>>> line. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> They already have that with Mpesa,zap ETC....and that did not >>>> translate >>>> >>> to >>>> >>> additional cost. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> For me the Idea is most welcome...if you have nothing to hide.(that >>>> >>> is).It >>>> >>> will also help to establish the real market indicators for the >>>> Industry. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng >>>> >>> <ajochola@gmail.com <mailto:ajochola@gmail.com>>wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> I have registered today at a safaricom dealer ...am on MPESA and >>>> >>>> PPD >>>> - >>>> >>>> but they insist. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> took less than 5 mins... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Barrack Otieno >>>> >>>> <otieno.barrack@gmail.com <mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> > Friends , this is common practice in Europe as Wash aptly >>>> >>>> > captured >>>> it, >>>> >>>> > we must look at it from the point of Merit and demerits of not >>>> >>>> > registering the Sim card, i suppose this was long overdue, i >>>> remember >>>> >>>> > buying my sim in 2002 and i had to register, then the practice >>>> >>>> > was >>>> >>>> > discarded ostensibly to promote growth of the industry which has >>>> >>>> > already taken place , i suppose the next step would be to manage >>>> this >>>> >>>> > growth, which is why registration is key. >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Larry Madowo < >>>> larrymads@gmail.com <mailto:larrymads@gmail.com>> >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >> People, >>>> >>>> >> Though it might seem logistically insurmountable by Safaricom to >>>> >>>> register >>>> >>>> >> all the nearly 16m SIM cards on its network, almost half of them >>>> are >>>> >>>> on >>>> >>>> >> M-Pesa so they need not register again. In the over a month that >>>> the >>>> >>>> rest >>>> >>>> >> have, most will show up at service centres for one reason or >>>> another >>>> >>>> and get >>>> >>>> >> registered. The ones that do not will have their numbers >>>> disconnected >>>> >>>> come >>>> >>>> >> July 30th. This will achieve two things: the people who've held >>>> >>>> multiple SIM >>>> >>>> >> cards for one reason or another will lose them and the genuine >>>> ones >>>> >>>> will >>>> >>>> >> rush to their service providers to reactivate their phones, and >>>> get >>>> >>>> >> registered. >>>> >>>> >> Having said that, there is no legal basis for this as yet though >>>> the >>>> >>>> law is >>>> >>>> >> just being drawn up but it seems the CCK and the government are >>>> >>>> >> pretty >>>> >>>> >> hellbent on pushing this through for security reasons. >>>> >>>> >> Larry out >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 1:16 PM, [ Brainiac ] < >>>> arebacollins@gmail.com <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com> >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> Here is the problem : >>>> >>>> >>> Its going to be costly, and the cost will be transferred to us, >>>> and >>>> >>>> may >>>> >>>> >>> not necessarily achieve the intended purpose: >>>> >>>> >>> reasons: >>>> >>>> >>> 1: Physical verification of documents will not be cheap, take >>>> for >>>> >>>> instance >>>> >>>> >>> safaricom. automatic verification is not practical (unless they >>>> >>>> pursue an >>>> >>>> >>> integration of births registry with immigration and other >>>> >>>> >>> departments >>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>> >>> just integrate the data. The cost will be borne by safaricom, >>>> trust >>>> >>>> me. >>>> >>>> >>> 2: If the objective is to track criminal activitied on phone, >>>> then >>>> >>>> >>> criminals might just resort to using stolen phones. :-( >>>> >>>> >>> 3: The institutions currently existing have the needed >>>> >>>> >>> resources >>>> to >>>> >>>> track >>>> >>>> >>> mobile phone users. if not, the contacts for Cloie O'brien >>>> should be >>>> >>>> >>> somewhere out there. she can sort them out. >>>> >>>> >>> :-)) >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Odhiambo Washington < >>>> >>>> odhiambo@gmail.com <mailto:odhiambo@gmail.com>> >>>> >>>> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Theus Owicho < >>>> owichot@gmail.com <mailto:owichot@gmail.com>> >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Skunks >>>> >>>> >>>>> I hear that this is after a "roadside" declaration by the >>>> >>>> >>>>> president >>>> >>>> >>>>> through his VP. >>>> >>>> >>>>> A great read here http://bit.ly/9pox6O >>>> >>>> >>>>> I am not seeing myself registering my SIM card >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Across Europe, I found you could just buy a SIM card and use >>>> it. No >>>> >>>> one >>>> >>>> >>>> really bothered. >>>> >>>> >>>> However in Singapore, you don't get to buy a SIM card if you >>>> don't >>>> >>>> have >>>> >>>> >>>> proper identification, and they take a copy of your >>>> identification >>>> >>>> to >>>> >>>> >>>> accompany the registration! If, for instance, you call for a >>>> taxi >>>> >>>> (Taxi >>>> >>>> >>>> companies there are registered and individuals CANNOT operate >>>> >>>> taxis!) and >>>> >>>> >>>> disappear with another one that just happened to be nearer, >>>> >>>> >>>> you >>>> >>>> >>>> will >>>> >>>> receive >>>> >>>> >>>> a bill anyway:-) >>>> >>>> >>>> Now, personally, I don't see anything ill with the requirement >>>> that >>>> >>>> we >>>> >>>> >>>> register SIM cards, and I am not opposed to the govt using my >>>> >>>> information. >>>> >>>> >>>> After all, the govt controls everything, bar for the air you >>>> >>>> >>>> breath, >>>> >>>> no? >>>> >>>> >>>> That is why it is government. 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Is anyone aware if post paid lines belonging to registered companies whose details including physical addresses are known and registered with the provider required to do the registration. On 6/24/2010 3:49 PM, David Njuguna wrote:

This must have changed coz the official position as of the Monday was we need to register afresh. Infact they made all Customer Care reps say that. Looks like they have decided to just use the existing records.

D

On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Larry Madowo <larrymads@gmail.com <mailto:larrymads@gmail.com>> wrote:

David,

Your source is not authoritative enough. This is a press release out of Safaricom today.

From: "Rodgers Wabito" <rodgers@ginadin.com <mailto:rodgers@ginadin.com>> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 11:15:05 To: <rodgers@ginadin.com <mailto:rodgers@ginadin.com>> Subject: Safaricom says M-PESA and PostPay customers exempt from SIM Card Registration,

Safaricom says M-PESA and PostPay customers exempt from SIM Card Registration, Urges Subscribers to Follow State Directive

Nairobi, June 23, 2010...Leading communications firm Safaricom has clarified that it's M-PESA and PostPay customers do not have to register their lines afresh under the SIM card registration directive currently being implemented in the country.

Even then, such customers may make time to verify their details as received and recorded by the firm.

The two services already require one's personal details to be registered when signing a contract with Safaricom, under the Know Your Customer (KYC) and other prudential rules which have always been strictly enforced by Safaricom.

With M-PESA commanding about 10 million subscribers, this announcement is expected to be a major reprieve for the firm's customers. It means that out of a total subscriber roll of over 15 million, only about 5 million are required to register under the presidential directive.

Safaricom had already kicked off the registration process at it's over 31 Safaricom Retail Centers countrywide following the Government directive requiring all mobile phone SIM cards to be registered by end of July 2010. Subscribers can also register their details at 2,500 Safaricom dealer outlets and 1,600 M-PESA agents countrywide.

Under the new rules, users are required to give their postal and physical address, date of birth and alternative phone numbers, besides their names and identity cards. The directive also applies to those buying new SIM cards.

Safaricom Chief Executive Officer Michael Joseph, is now urging all Safaricom subscribers to visit the company's retail outlets and other registration points countrywide to have their SIM cards registered.

"We have put in place all the necessary measures to ensure a smooth process. Besides our Retail Centers, dealers and M-PESA agents have also been mobilized and sensitized to assist in this important process. They can also download the registration form from our website <http://www.safaricom.co.ke/> www.safaricom.co.ke <http://www.safaricom.co.ke/> or portal www.safaricom.com <http://www.safaricom.com/>, print it out and present the completed form at any of our registration centres. We are urging our subscribers not to wait till the last minute to register," he said.

Minors with SIM cards will be required to be accompanied by an adult, who will register as the owner of the card and the minor as the user. Subscribers are not supposed to pay any cash in order to get the forms and should report anyone asking for cash for the same.

On Monday, June 21, market regulator Communications Commission of Kenya, with the support of the country's four mobile operators launched a campaign for SIM card registration. This follows a presidential directive issued in July last year. The move was occasioned by widespread crime being perpetrated through mobile phone lines, and is expected to act as a deterrent, while making the work of investigating agencies easier.

ENDS.

On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com <mailto:solo.mburu@gmail.com>> wrote:

On 24/06/2010, David Njuguna <dnjuguna@gmail.com <mailto:dnjuguna@gmail.com>> wrote: > I got it from an authoritative source that we all need register afresh. It > does not matter whether you are registered for MPESA etc. > I called Zain customer care yesterday and was told if I registered for Zap, I don't need to have my line registered again. Maybe that's with Zain only.

> D > On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Japheth Kioko <japhking@gmail.com <mailto:japhking@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> from my understanding if one is already registered for mpesa and the like, >> CCK may have the details they require, hence, you may already be >> registered >> without your knowledge!!! >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Luke Kuvheya >> <tendayi.kuvheya@gmail.com <mailto:tendayi.kuvheya@gmail.com>>wrote: >> >>> I think its a noble idea for the registration and i agree with Brainiac, >>> these cost will reach us, the end users. An example Look at the MPesa >>> registration it is semi automated and "physical id verification" is >>> unavoidable. Can we be protected as they do this process, as it is now >>> our >>> data will be out there at the mercy of the integrity of these providers. >>> >>> my 2cents >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Wanjiru Njoroge < >>> wanjirunjoroge@gmail.com <mailto:wanjirunjoroge@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>>> My only concern, there's still no legislation on privacy and data >>>> protection and that is a lot of info they'll be collecting.

They have been collecting this data without legislation on privacy yet we don't fret over the same. The option we've been given is: register or be 'off the grid' >>>> >>>> >>>> On 6/23/10, Joseph McDonald <mcdonaldoj@gmail.com <mailto:mcdonaldoj@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> > I think only filling the form is manual...from there you can automate

Alternatively, download the form if available online, covert it into word, input your info, print and drop it at your service provider! >>>> > >>>> > On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 3:43 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com> >>>> >wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> the idea is anything that involves "physical verification of >>>> documents" >>>> >> will have a MAN HOURS cost to do. Think of counting votes manually, >>>> and >>>> >> the >>>> >> cost of staff to do that. or simply voter registration process.... >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Joseph McDonald >>>> >> <mcdonaldoj@gmail.com <mailto:mcdonaldoj@gmail.com>>wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >>> @ Brianiac I think you got it all wrong. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> There is no additional cost.They just want to know who owns what >>>> line. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> They already have that with Mpesa,zap ETC....and that did not >>>> translate >>>> >>> to >>>> >>> additional cost. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> For me the Idea is most welcome...if you have nothing to hide.(that >>>> >>> is).It >>>> >>> will also help to establish the real market indicators for the >>>> Industry. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng >>>> >>> <ajochola@gmail.com <mailto:ajochola@gmail.com>>wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> I have registered today at a safaricom dealer ...am on MPESA and >>>> >>>> PPD >>>> - >>>> >>>> but they insist. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> took less than 5 mins... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Barrack Otieno >>>> >>>> <otieno.barrack@gmail.com <mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> > Friends , this is common practice in Europe as Wash aptly >>>> >>>> > captured >>>> it, >>>> >>>> > we must look at it from the point of Merit and demerits of not >>>> >>>> > registering the Sim card, i suppose this was long overdue, i >>>> remember >>>> >>>> > buying my sim in 2002 and i had to register, then the practice >>>> >>>> > was >>>> >>>> > discarded ostensibly to promote growth of the industry which has >>>> >>>> > already taken place , i suppose the next step would be to manage >>>> this >>>> >>>> > growth, which is why registration is key. >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Larry Madowo < >>>> larrymads@gmail.com <mailto:larrymads@gmail.com>> >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >> People, >>>> >>>> >> Though it might seem logistically insurmountable by Safaricom to >>>> >>>> register >>>> >>>> >> all the nearly 16m SIM cards on its network, almost half of them >>>> are >>>> >>>> on >>>> >>>> >> M-Pesa so they need not register again. In the over a month that >>>> the >>>> >>>> rest >>>> >>>> >> have, most will show up at service centres for one reason or >>>> another >>>> >>>> and get >>>> >>>> >> registered. The ones that do not will have their numbers >>>> disconnected >>>> >>>> come >>>> >>>> >> July 30th. This will achieve two things: the people who've held >>>> >>>> multiple SIM >>>> >>>> >> cards for one reason or another will lose them and the genuine >>>> ones >>>> >>>> will >>>> >>>> >> rush to their service providers to reactivate their phones, and >>>> get >>>> >>>> >> registered. >>>> >>>> >> Having said that, there is no legal basis for this as yet though >>>> the >>>> >>>> law is >>>> >>>> >> just being drawn up but it seems the CCK and the government are >>>> >>>> >> pretty >>>> >>>> >> hellbent on pushing this through for security reasons. >>>> >>>> >> Larry out >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 1:16 PM, [ Brainiac ] < >>>> arebacollins@gmail.com <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com> >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> Here is the problem : >>>> >>>> >>> Its going to be costly, and the cost will be transferred to us, >>>> and >>>> >>>> may >>>> >>>> >>> not necessarily achieve the intended purpose: >>>> >>>> >>> reasons: >>>> >>>> >>> 1: Physical verification of documents will not be cheap, take >>>> for >>>> >>>> instance >>>> >>>> >>> safaricom. automatic verification is not practical (unless they >>>> >>>> pursue an >>>> >>>> >>> integration of births registry with immigration and other >>>> >>>> >>> departments >>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>> >>> just integrate the data. The cost will be borne by safaricom, >>>> trust >>>> >>>> me. >>>> >>>> >>> 2: If the objective is to track criminal activitied on phone, >>>> then >>>> >>>> >>> criminals might just resort to using stolen phones. :-( >>>> >>>> >>> 3: The institutions currently existing have the needed >>>> >>>> >>> resources >>>> to >>>> >>>> track >>>> >>>> >>> mobile phone users. if not, the contacts for Cloie O'brien >>>> should be >>>> >>>> >>> somewhere out there. she can sort them out. >>>> >>>> >>> :-)) >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Odhiambo Washington < >>>> >>>> odhiambo@gmail.com <mailto:odhiambo@gmail.com>> >>>> >>>> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Theus Owicho < >>>> owichot@gmail.com <mailto:owichot@gmail.com>> >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Skunks >>>> >>>> >>>>> I hear that this is after a "roadside" declaration by the >>>> >>>> >>>>> president >>>> >>>> >>>>> through his VP. >>>> >>>> >>>>> A great read here http://bit.ly/9pox6O >>>> >>>> >>>>> I am not seeing myself registering my SIM card >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Across Europe, I found you could just buy a SIM card and use >>>> it. No >>>> >>>> one >>>> >>>> >>>> really bothered. >>>> >>>> >>>> However in Singapore, you don't get to buy a SIM card if you >>>> don't >>>> >>>> have >>>> >>>> >>>> proper identification, and they take a copy of your >>>> identification >>>> >>>> to >>>> >>>> >>>> accompany the registration! If, for instance, you call for a >>>> taxi >>>> >>>> (Taxi >>>> >>>> >>>> companies there are registered and individuals CANNOT operate >>>> >>>> taxis!) and >>>> >>>> >>>> disappear with another one that just happened to be nearer, >>>> >>>> >>>> you >>>> >>>> >>>> will >>>> >>>> receive >>>> >>>> >>>> a bill anyway:-) >>>> >>>> >>>> Now, personally, I don't see anything ill with the requirement >>>> that >>>> >>>> we >>>> >>>> >>>> register SIM cards, and I am not opposed to the govt using my >>>> >>>> information. >>>> >>>> >>>> After all, the govt controls everything, bar for the air you >>>> >>>> >>>> breath, >>>> >>>> no? >>>> >>>> >>>> That is why it is government. 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Post paid zain and Safcom I can confidently say you are ok !!! On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:

Zain sent me a text message the other day telling me that as a Post paid and a Zap user, I need not to register my lines, as they already had my details when I became a Post Paid user and Zap 'compliant.'

I can't give you details about the other networks!

On 05/07/2010, James Kagwe <kagwejg@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Is anyone aware if post paid lines belonging to registered companies whose details including physical addresses are known and registered with the provider required to do the registration.

  On 6/24/2010 3:49 PM, David Njuguna wrote:

...

This must have changed coz the official position as of the Monday was we need to register afresh. Infact they made all Customer Care reps say that. Looks like they have decided to just use the existing records.

D

On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Larry Madowo <larrymads@gmail.com <mailto:larrymads@gmail.com>> wrote:

    David,

    Your source is not authoritative enough. This is a press release     out of Safaricom today.

    From: "Rodgers Wabito" <rodgers@ginadin.com     <mailto:rodgers@ginadin.com>>     Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 11:15:05     To: <rodgers@ginadin.com <mailto:rodgers@ginadin.com>>     Subject: Safaricom says M-PESA and PostPay customers exempt from     SIM Card Registration,

    Safaricom says M-PESA and PostPay customers exempt from SIM Card     Registration, Urges Subscribers to Follow State Directive

    Nairobi, June 23, 2010...Leading communications firm Safaricom has     clarified     that it's M-PESA and PostPay customers do not have to register     their lines     afresh under the SIM card registration directive currently being     implemented     in the country.

    Even then, such customers may make time to verify their details as     received     and recorded by the firm.

    The two services already require one's personal details to be     registered     when signing a contract with Safaricom, under the Know Your     Customer (KYC)     and other prudential rules which have always been strictly enforced by     Safaricom.

    With M-PESA commanding about 10 million subscribers, this     announcement is     expected to be a major reprieve for the firm's customers. It means     that out     of a total subscriber roll of over 15 million, only about 5     million are     required to register under the presidential directive.

    Safaricom had already kicked off the registration process at it's     over 31     Safaricom Retail Centers countrywide following the Government     directive     requiring all mobile phone SIM cards to be registered by end of     July 2010.     Subscribers can also register their details at 2,500 Safaricom dealer     outlets and 1,600 M-PESA agents countrywide.

    Under the new rules, users are required to give their postal and     physical     address, date of birth and alternative phone numbers, besides     their names     and identity cards. The directive also applies to those buying new SIM     cards.

    Safaricom Chief Executive Officer Michael Joseph, is now urging all     Safaricom subscribers to visit the company's retail outlets and other     registration points countrywide to have their SIM cards registered.

     "We have put in place all the necessary measures to ensure a smooth     process. Besides our Retail Centers, dealers and M-PESA agents     have also     been mobilized and sensitized to assist in this important process.     They can     also download the registration form from our website     <http://www.safaricom.co.ke/> www.safaricom.co.ke     <http://www.safaricom.co.ke/> or portal     www.safaricom.com <http://www.safaricom.com/>, print it out and     present the completed form at any of our     registration centres. We are urging our subscribers not to wait     till the     last minute to register," he said.

    Minors with SIM cards will be required to be accompanied by an     adult, who     will register as the owner of the card and the minor as the user.     Subscribers are not supposed to pay any cash in order to get the     forms and     should report anyone asking for cash for the same.

    On Monday, June 21, market regulator Communications Commission of     Kenya,     with the support of the country's four mobile operators launched a     campaign     for SIM card registration. This follows a presidential directive     issued in     July last year. The move was occasioned by widespread crime being     perpetrated through mobile phone lines, and is expected to act as a     deterrent, while making the work of investigating agencies easier.

    ENDS.

    On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau     <solo.mburu@gmail.com <mailto:solo.mburu@gmail.com>> wrote:

        On 24/06/2010, David Njuguna <dnjuguna@gmail.com         <mailto:dnjuguna@gmail.com>> wrote:         > I got it from an authoritative source that we all need         register afresh. It         > does not matter whether you are registered for MPESA etc.         >         I called Zain customer care yesterday and was told if I         registered for         Zap, I don't need to have my line registered again. Maybe         that's with         Zain only.

        > D         > On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Japheth Kioko         <japhking@gmail.com <mailto:japhking@gmail.com>> wrote:         >         >> from my understanding if one is already registered for         mpesa and the like,         >> CCK may have the details they require, hence, you may         already be         >> registered         >> without your knowledge!!!         >>         >>         >>         >>         >> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Luke Kuvheya         >> <tendayi.kuvheya@gmail.com         <mailto:tendayi.kuvheya@gmail.com>>wrote:         >>         >>> I think its a noble idea for the registration and i agree         with Brainiac,         >>> these cost will reach us, the end users. An example Look         at the MPesa         >>> registration it is semi automated and "physical id         verification" is         >>> unavoidable. Can we be protected as they do this process,         as it is now         >>> our         >>> data will be out there at the mercy of the integrity of         these providers.         >>>         >>> my 2cents         >>>         >>>         >>> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Wanjiru Njoroge <         >>> wanjirunjoroge@gmail.com         <mailto:wanjirunjoroge@gmail.com>> wrote:         >>>         >>>> My only concern, there's still no legislation on privacy         and data         >>>> protection and that is a lot of info they'll be collecting.

        They have been collecting this data without legislation on         privacy yet         we don't fret over the same. The option we've been given is:         register         or be 'off the grid'         >>>>         >>>>         >>>> On 6/23/10, Joseph McDonald <mcdonaldoj@gmail.com         <mailto:mcdonaldoj@gmail.com>> wrote:         >>>> > I think only filling the form is manual...from there         you can automate

        Alternatively, download the form if available online, covert         it into         word, input your info, print and drop it at your service provider!         >>>> >         >>>> > On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 3:43 PM, [ Brainiac ]         <arebacollins@gmail.com <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com>         >>>> >wrote:         >>>> >         >>>> >> the idea is anything that involves "physical         verification of         >>>> documents"         >>>> >> will have a MAN HOURS cost to do. Think of counting         votes manually,         >>>> and         >>>> >> the         >>>> >> cost of staff to do that. or simply voter registration         process....         >>>> >>         >>>> >>         >>>> >> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Joseph McDonald         >>>> >> <mcdonaldoj@gmail.com <mailto:mcdonaldoj@gmail.com>>wrote:         >>>> >>         >>>> >>> @ Brianiac I think you got it all wrong.         >>>> >>>         >>>> >>> There is no additional cost.They just want to know         who owns what         >>>> line.         >>>> >>>         >>>> >>> They already have that with Mpesa,zap ETC....and that         did not         >>>> translate         >>>> >>> to         >>>> >>> additional cost.         >>>> >>>         >>>> >>> For me the Idea is most welcome...if you have nothing         to hide.(that         >>>> >>> is).It         >>>> >>> will also help to establish the real market         indicators for the         >>>> Industry.         >>>> >>>         >>>> >>>         >>>> >>>         >>>> >>>         >>>> >>>         >>>> >>>         >>>> >>>         >>>> >>>         >>>> >>>         >>>> >>> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng         >>>> >>> <ajochola@gmail.com <mailto:ajochola@gmail.com>>wrote:         >>>> >>>         >>>> >>>> I have registered today at a safaricom dealer ...am         on MPESA and         >>>> >>>> PPD         >>>> -         >>>> >>>> but they insist.         >>>> >>>>         >>>> >>>> took less than 5 mins...         >>>> >>>>         >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Barrack Otieno         >>>> >>>> <otieno.barrack@gmail.com         <mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com>> wrote:         >>>> >>>> > Friends , this is common practice in Europe as         Wash aptly         >>>> >>>> > captured         >>>> it,         >>>> >>>> > we must look at it from the point of Merit and         demerits of not         >>>> >>>> > registering the Sim card, i suppose this was long         overdue, i         >>>> remember         >>>> >>>> > buying my sim in 2002 and i had to register, then         the practice         >>>> >>>> > was         >>>> >>>> > discarded ostensibly to promote growth of the         industry which has         >>>> >>>> > already taken place , i suppose the next step         would be to manage         >>>> this         >>>> >>>> > growth, which is why registration is key.         >>>> >>>> >         >>>> >>>> > On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Larry Madowo <         >>>> larrymads@gmail.com <mailto:larrymads@gmail.com>>         >>>> >>>> wrote:         >>>> >>>> >> People,         >>>> >>>> >> Though it might seem logistically insurmountable         by Safaricom to         >>>> >>>> register         >>>> >>>> >> all the nearly 16m SIM cards on its network,         almost half of them         >>>> are         >>>> >>>> on         >>>> >>>> >> M-Pesa so they need not register again. In the         over a month that         >>>> the         >>>> >>>> rest         >>>> >>>> >> have, most will show up at service centres for         one reason or         >>>> another         >>>> >>>> and get         >>>> >>>> >> registered. The ones that do not will have their         numbers         >>>> disconnected         >>>> >>>> come         >>>> >>>> >> July 30th. This will achieve two things: the         people who've held         >>>> >>>> multiple SIM         >>>> >>>> >> cards for one reason or another will lose them         and the genuine         >>>> ones         >>>> >>>> will         >>>> >>>> >> rush to their service providers to reactivate         their phones, and         >>>> get         >>>> >>>> >> registered.         >>>> >>>> >> Having said that, there is no legal basis for         this as yet though         >>>> the         >>>> >>>> law is         >>>> >>>> >> just being drawn up but it seems the CCK and the         government are         >>>> >>>> >> pretty         >>>> >>>> >> hellbent on pushing this through for security         reasons.         >>>> >>>> >> Larry out         >>>> >>>> >>         >>>> >>>> >> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 1:16 PM, [ Brainiac ] <         >>>> arebacollins@gmail.com <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com>         >>>> >>>> >         >>>> >>>> >> wrote:         >>>> >>>> >>>         >>>> >>>> >>> Here is the problem :         >>>> >>>> >>> Its going to be costly, and the cost will be         transferred to us,         >>>> and         >>>> >>>> may         >>>> >>>> >>> not necessarily achieve the intended purpose:         >>>> >>>> >>> reasons:         >>>> >>>> >>> 1: Physical verification of documents will not         be cheap, take         >>>> for         >>>> >>>> instance         >>>> >>>> >>> safaricom. automatic verification is not         practical (unless they         >>>> >>>> pursue an         >>>> >>>> >>> integration of births registry with immigration         and other         >>>> >>>> >>> departments         >>>> >>>> and         >>>> >>>> >>> just integrate the data. The cost will be borne         by safaricom,         >>>> trust         >>>> >>>> me.         >>>> >>>> >>> 2: If the objective is to track criminal         activitied on phone,         >>>> then         >>>> >>>> >>> criminals might just resort to using stolen         phones. :-(         >>>> >>>> >>> 3: The institutions currently existing have the         needed         >>>> >>>> >>> resources         >>>> to         >>>> >>>> track         >>>> >>>> >>> mobile phone users. if not, the contacts for         Cloie O'brien         >>>> should be         >>>> >>>> >>> somewhere out there. she can sort them out.         >>>> >>>> >>> :-))         >>>> >>>> >>>         >>>> >>>> >>> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Odhiambo         Washington <         >>>> >>>> odhiambo@gmail.com <mailto:odhiambo@gmail.com>>         >>>> >>>> >>> wrote:         >>>> >>>> >>>>         >>>> >>>> >>>>         >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Theus Owicho <         >>>> owichot@gmail.com <mailto:owichot@gmail.com>>         >>>> >>>> wrote:         >>>> >>>> >>>>>         >>>> >>>> >>>>> Skunks         >>>> >>>> >>>>> I hear that this is after a "roadside"         declaration by the         >>>> >>>> >>>>> president         >>>> >>>> >>>>> through his VP.         >>>> >>>> >>>>> A great read here http://bit.ly/9pox6O         >>>> >>>> >>>>> I am not seeing myself registering my SIM card         >>>> >>>> >>>>         >>>> >>>> >>>> Across Europe, I found you could just buy a SIM         card and use         >>>> it. No         >>>> >>>> one         >>>> >>>> >>>> really bothered.         >>>> >>>> >>>> However in Singapore, you don't get to buy a         SIM card if you         >>>> don't         >>>> >>>> have         >>>> >>>> >>>> proper identification, and they take a copy of your         >>>> identification         >>>> >>>> to         >>>> >>>> >>>> accompany the registration! If, for instance,         you call for a         >>>> taxi         >>>> >>>> (Taxi         >>>> >>>> >>>> companies there are registered and individuals         CANNOT operate         >>>> >>>> taxis!) and         >>>> >>>> >>>> disappear with another one that just happened         to be nearer,         >>>> >>>> >>>> you         >>>> >>>> >>>> will         >>>> >>>> receive         >>>> >>>> >>>> a bill anyway:-)         >>>> >>>> >>>> Now, personally, I don't see anything ill with         the requirement         >>>> that         >>>> >>>> we         >>>> >>>> >>>> register SIM cards, and I am not opposed to the         govt using my         >>>> >>>> information.         >>>> >>>> >>>> After all, the govt controls everything, bar         for the air you         >>>> >>>> >>>> breath,         >>>> >>>> no?         >>>> >>>> >>>> That is why it is government. 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        --         Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau

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whew for a moment thought i needed to do these tedious thing , yeah i gree if u have nothing to hide whats the fuss on registration your Sim card @brian the cost implication will always be there whether u register or not On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 1:01 PM, James Kagwe <kagwejg@gmail.com> wrote:

Ahsante for the confirmation

On 7/5/2010 12:33 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng wrote:

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Post paid zain and Safcom I can confidently say you are ok !!!

On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:

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Zain sent me a text message the other day telling me that as a Post paid and a Zap user, I need not to register my lines, as they already had my details when I became a Post Paid user and Zap 'compliant.'

I can't give you details about the other networks!

On 05/07/2010, James Kagwe<kagwejg@gmail.com> wrote:

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Is anyone aware if post paid lines belonging to registered companies whose details including physical addresses are known and registered with the provider required to do the registration.

On 6/24/2010 3:49 PM, David Njuguna wrote:

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This must have changed coz the official position as of the Monday was we need to register afresh. Infact they made all Customer Care reps say that. Looks like they have decided to just use the existing records.

D

On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Larry Madowo<larrymads@gmail.com <mailto:larrymads@gmail.com>> wrote:

David,

Your source is not authoritative enough. This is a press release out of Safaricom today.

From: "Rodgers Wabito"<rodgers@ginadin.com <mailto:rodgers@ginadin.com>> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 11:15:05 To:<rodgers@ginadin.com<mailto:rodgers@ginadin.com>> Subject: Safaricom says M-PESA and PostPay customers exempt from SIM Card Registration,

Safaricom says M-PESA and PostPay customers exempt from SIM Card Registration, Urges Subscribers to Follow State Directive

Nairobi, June 23, 2010...Leading communications firm Safaricom has clarified that it's M-PESA and PostPay customers do not have to register their lines afresh under the SIM card registration directive currently being implemented in the country.

Even then, such customers may make time to verify their details as received and recorded by the firm.

The two services already require one's personal details to be registered when signing a contract with Safaricom, under the Know Your Customer (KYC) and other prudential rules which have always been strictly enforced by Safaricom.

With M-PESA commanding about 10 million subscribers, this announcement is expected to be a major reprieve for the firm's customers. It means that out of a total subscriber roll of over 15 million, only about 5 million are required to register under the presidential directive.

Safaricom had already kicked off the registration process at it's over 31 Safaricom Retail Centers countrywide following the Government directive requiring all mobile phone SIM cards to be registered by end of July 2010. Subscribers can also register their details at 2,500 Safaricom dealer outlets and 1,600 M-PESA agents countrywide.

Under the new rules, users are required to give their postal and physical address, date of birth and alternative phone numbers, besides their names and identity cards. The directive also applies to those buying new SIM cards.

Safaricom Chief Executive Officer Michael Joseph, is now urging all Safaricom subscribers to visit the company's retail outlets and other registration points countrywide to have their SIM cards registered.

"We have put in place all the necessary measures to ensure a smooth process. Besides our Retail Centers, dealers and M-PESA agents have also been mobilized and sensitized to assist in this important process. They can also download the registration form from our website <http://www.safaricom.co.ke/> www.safaricom.co.ke <http://www.safaricom.co.ke/> or portal www.safaricom.com<http://www.safaricom.com/>, print it out and present the completed form at any of our registration centres. We are urging our subscribers not to wait till the last minute to register," he said.

Minors with SIM cards will be required to be accompanied by an adult, who will register as the owner of the card and the minor as the user. Subscribers are not supposed to pay any cash in order to get the forms and should report anyone asking for cash for the same.

On Monday, June 21, market regulator Communications Commission of Kenya, with the support of the country's four mobile operators launched a campaign for SIM card registration. This follows a presidential directive issued in July last year. The move was occasioned by widespread crime being perpetrated through mobile phone lines, and is expected to act as a deterrent, while making the work of investigating agencies easier.

ENDS.

On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com<mailto:solo.mburu@gmail.com>> wrote:

On 24/06/2010, David Njuguna<dnjuguna@gmail.com <mailto:dnjuguna@gmail.com>> wrote: > I got it from an authoritative source that we all need register afresh. It > does not matter whether you are registered for MPESA etc. > I called Zain customer care yesterday and was told if I registered for Zap, I don't need to have my line registered again. Maybe that's with Zain only.

> D > On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Japheth Kioko <japhking@gmail.com<mailto:japhking@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> from my understanding if one is already registered for mpesa and the like, >> CCK may have the details they require, hence, you may already be >> registered >> without your knowledge!!! >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Luke Kuvheya >> <tendayi.kuvheya@gmail.com <mailto:tendayi.kuvheya@gmail.com>>wrote: >> >>> I think its a noble idea for the registration and i agree with Brainiac, >>> these cost will reach us, the end users. An example Look at the MPesa >>> registration it is semi automated and "physical id verification" is >>> unavoidable. Can we be protected as they do this process, as it is now >>> our >>> data will be out there at the mercy of the integrity of these providers. >>> >>> my 2cents >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Wanjiru Njoroge< >>> wanjirunjoroge@gmail.com <mailto:wanjirunjoroge@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>>> My only concern, there's still no legislation on privacy and data >>>> protection and that is a lot of info they'll be collecting.

They have been collecting this data without legislation on privacy yet we don't fret over the same. The option we've been given is: register or be 'off the grid' >>>> >>>> >>>> On 6/23/10, Joseph McDonald<mcdonaldoj@gmail.com <mailto:mcdonaldoj@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> > I think only filling the form is manual...from there you can automate

Alternatively, download the form if available online, covert it into word, input your info, print and drop it at your service provider! >>>> > >>>> > On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 3:43 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com<mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com> >>>> >wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> the idea is anything that involves "physical verification of >>>> documents" >>>> >> will have a MAN HOURS cost to do. Think of counting votes manually, >>>> and >>>> >> the >>>> >> cost of staff to do that. or simply voter registration process.... >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Joseph McDonald >>>> >> <mcdonaldoj@gmail.com<mailto:mcdonaldoj@gmail.com

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>wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >>> @ Brianiac I think you got it all wrong. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> There is no additional cost.They just want to know who owns what >>>> line. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> They already have that with Mpesa,zap ETC....and that did not >>>> translate >>>> >>> to >>>> >>> additional cost. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> For me the Idea is most welcome...if you have nothing to hide.(that >>>> >>> is).It >>>> >>> will also help to establish the real market indicators for the >>>> Industry. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng >>>> >>> <ajochola@gmail.com<mailto:ajochola@gmail.com >wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> I have registered today at a safaricom dealer ...am on MPESA and >>>> >>>> PPD >>>> - >>>> >>>> but they insist. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> took less than 5 mins... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Barrack Otieno >>>> >>>> <otieno.barrack@gmail.com <mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> > Friends , this is common practice in Europe as Wash aptly >>>> >>>> > captured >>>> it, >>>> >>>> > we must look at it from the point of Merit and demerits of not >>>> >>>> > registering the Sim card, i suppose this was long overdue, i >>>> remember >>>> >>>> > buying my sim in 2002 and i had to register, then the practice >>>> >>>> > was >>>> >>>> > discarded ostensibly to promote growth of the industry which has >>>> >>>> > already taken place , i suppose the next step would be to manage >>>> this >>>> >>>> > growth, which is why registration is key. >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Larry Madowo< >>>> larrymads@gmail.com<mailto:larrymads@gmail.com>> >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >> People, >>>> >>>> >> Though it might seem logistically insurmountable by Safaricom to >>>> >>>> register >>>> >>>> >> all the nearly 16m SIM cards on its network, almost half of them >>>> are >>>> >>>> on >>>> >>>> >> M-Pesa so they need not register again. In the over a month that >>>> the >>>> >>>> rest >>>> >>>> >> have, most will show up at service centres for one reason or >>>> another >>>> >>>> and get >>>> >>>> >> registered. The ones that do not will have their numbers >>>> disconnected >>>> >>>> come >>>> >>>> >> July 30th. This will achieve two things: the people who've held >>>> >>>> multiple SIM >>>> >>>> >> cards for one reason or another will lose them and the genuine >>>> ones >>>> >>>> will >>>> >>>> >> rush to their service providers to reactivate their phones, and >>>> get >>>> >>>> >> registered. >>>> >>>> >> Having said that, there is no legal basis for this as yet though >>>> the >>>> >>>> law is >>>> >>>> >> just being drawn up but it seems the CCK and the government are >>>> >>>> >> pretty >>>> >>>> >> hellbent on pushing this through for security reasons. >>>> >>>> >> Larry out >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 1:16 PM, [ Brainiac ]< >>>> arebacollins@gmail.com<mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com> >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> Here is the problem : >>>> >>>> >>> Its going to be costly, and the cost will be transferred to us, >>>> and >>>> >>>> may >>>> >>>> >>> not necessarily achieve the intended purpose: >>>> >>>> >>> reasons: >>>> >>>> >>> 1: Physical verification of documents will not be cheap, take >>>> for >>>> >>>> instance >>>> >>>> >>> safaricom. automatic verification is not practical (unless they >>>> >>>> pursue an >>>> >>>> >>> integration of births registry with immigration and other >>>> >>>> >>> departments >>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>> >>> just integrate the data. The cost will be borne by safaricom, >>>> trust >>>> >>>> me. >>>> >>>> >>> 2: If the objective is to track criminal activitied on phone, >>>> then >>>> >>>> >>> criminals might just resort to using stolen phones. :-( >>>> >>>> >>> 3: The institutions currently existing have the needed >>>> >>>> >>> resources >>>> to >>>> >>>> track >>>> >>>> >>> mobile phone users. if not, the contacts for Cloie O'brien >>>> should be >>>> >>>> >>> somewhere out there. she can sort them out. >>>> >>>> >>> :-)) >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Odhiambo Washington< >>>> >>>> odhiambo@gmail.com<mailto:odhiambo@gmail.com>> >>>> >>>> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Theus Owicho< >>>> owichot@gmail.com<mailto:owichot@gmail.com>> >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Skunks >>>> >>>> >>>>> I hear that this is after a "roadside" declaration by the >>>> >>>> >>>>> president >>>> >>>> >>>>> through his VP. >>>> >>>> >>>>> A great read here http://bit.ly/9pox6O >>>> >>>> >>>>> I am not seeing myself registering my SIM card >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Across Europe, I found you could just buy a SIM card and use >>>> it. No >>>> >>>> one >>>> >>>> >>>> really bothered. >>>> >>>> >>>> However in Singapore, you don't get to buy a SIM card if you >>>> don't >>>> >>>> have >>>> >>>> >>>> proper identification, and they take a copy of your >>>> identification >>>> >>>> to >>>> >>>> >>>> accompany the registration! If, for instance, you call for a >>>> taxi >>>> >>>> (Taxi >>>> >>>> >>>> companies there are registered and individuals CANNOT operate >>>> >>>> taxis!) and >>>> >>>> >>>> disappear with another one that just happened to be nearer, >>>> >>>> >>>> you >>>> >>>> >>>> will >>>> >>>> receive >>>> >>>> >>>> a bill anyway:-) >>>> >>>> >>>> Now, personally, I don't see anything ill with the requirement >>>> that >>>> >>>> we >>>> >>>> >>>> register SIM cards, and I am not opposed to the govt using my >>>> >>>> information. >>>> >>>> >>>> After all, the govt controls everything, bar for the air you >>>> >>>> >>>> breath, >>>> >>>> no? >>>> >>>> >>>> That is why it is government. You don't wish you were in >>>> Somalia, >>>> >>>> right? >>>> >>>> >>>> I really don't understand why someone would NOT want to >>>> register >>>> >>>> their >>>> >>>> >>>> SIM cards. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> >>>> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >>>> >>>> >>>> Nairobi,KE >>>> >>>> >>>> +254733744121/+254722743223 >>>> >>>> >>>> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ >>>> >>>> >>>> "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut >>>> >>>> >>>> up!." >>>> >>>> >>>> -- Lucky Dube >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>

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If you on postpay just dial 200 and ask any queries you have ...NKT !! On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 11:20 AM, James Kagwe <kagwejg@gmail.com> wrote:

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Is anyone aware if post paid lines belonging to registered companies whose details including physical addresses are known and registered with the provider required to do the registration.

Isn't that what PostPay means?:-)

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why not just call to confirm? On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:

From what I understand *individual* postpaid users do not need to register, however corporate postpaid do - unless they've already registered for m-pesa or m-kesho on the same line. Brian

On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:

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If you on postpay just dial 200 and ask any queries you have ...NKT !!

On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:

...

On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 11:20 AM, James Kagwe <kagwejg@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Is anyone aware if post paid lines belonging to registered companies whose details including physical addresses are known and registered with the provider required to do the registration.

Isn't that what PostPay means?:-)

-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!."               -- Lucky Dube

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On 06/07/2010, Denis G. Wahome <dwahome@gmail.com> wrote:

Safaricom should have a service (shortcode?) for guys to check if there lines are registered.

Don't be too discriminate. Safaricom isn't the only mobile phone company in Kenya or everybody's favourite! NKTEST!

R

D

On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:

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why not just call to confirm?

On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:

...

From what I understand *individual* postpaid users do not need to register, however corporate postpaid do - unless they've already registered for m-pesa or m-kesho on the same line. Brian

On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:

...

If you on postpay just dial 200 and ask any queries you have ...NKT !!

On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:

...

On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 11:20 AM, James Kagwe <kagwejg@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Is anyone aware if post paid lines belonging to registered companies whose details including physical addresses are known and registered with the provider required to do the registration.

Isn't that what PostPay means?:-)

-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube

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