On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Larry Madowo <larrymads@gmail.com> wrote:

David,

Your source is not authoritative enough. This is a press release out of Safaricom today.

From: "Rodgers Wabito" <rodgers@ginadin.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 11:15:05
To: <rodgers@ginadin.com>
Subject: Safaricom says M-PESA and PostPay customers exempt from SIM Card Registration,

Safaricom says M-PESA and PostPay customers exempt from SIM Card
Registration, Urges Subscribers to Follow State Directive

Nairobi, June 23, 2010...Leading communications firm Safaricom has clarified
that it's M-PESA and PostPay customers do not have to register their lines
afresh under the SIM card registration directive currently being implemented
in the country.

Even then, such customers may make time to verify their details as received
and recorded by the firm.

The two services already require one's personal details to be registered
when signing a contract with Safaricom, under the Know Your Customer (KYC)
and other prudential rules which have always been strictly enforced by
Safaricom.

With M-PESA commanding about 10 million subscribers, this announcement is
expected to be a major reprieve for the firm's customers. It means that out
of a total subscriber roll of over 15 million, only about 5 million are
required to register under the presidential directive.

Safaricom had already kicked off the registration process at it's over 31
Safaricom Retail Centers countrywide following the Government directive
requiring all mobile phone SIM cards to be registered by end of July 2010.
Subscribers can also register their details at 2,500 Safaricom dealer
outlets and 1,600 M-PESA agents countrywide.

Under the new rules, users are required to give their postal and physical
address, date of birth and alternative phone numbers, besides their names
and identity cards. The directive also applies to those buying new SIM
cards.

Safaricom Chief Executive Officer Michael Joseph, is now urging all
Safaricom subscribers to visit the company's retail outlets and other
registration points countrywide to have their SIM cards registered.

"We have put in place all the necessary measures to ensure a smooth
process. Besides our Retail Centers, dealers and M-PESA agents have also
been mobilized and sensitized to assist in this important process. They can
also download the registration form from our website
<http://www.safaricom.co.ke/> www.safaricom.co.ke or portal
www.safaricom.com, print it out and present the completed form at any of our
registration centres. We are urging our subscribers not to wait till the
last minute to register," he said.

Minors with SIM cards will be required to be accompanied by an adult, who
will register as the owner of the card and the minor as the user.
Subscribers are not supposed to pay any cash in order to get the forms and
should report anyone asking for cash for the same.

On Monday, June 21, market regulator Communications Commission of Kenya,
with the support of the country's four mobile operators launched a campaign
for SIM card registration. This follows a presidential directive issued in
July last year. The move was occasioned by widespread crime being
perpetrated through mobile phone lines, and is expected to act as a
deterrent, while making the work of investigating agencies easier.

ENDS.

On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:

On 24/06/2010, David Njuguna <dnjuguna@gmail.com> wrote:
> I got it from an authoritative source that we all need register afresh. It
> does not matter whether you are registered for MPESA etc.
>

I called Zain customer care yesterday and was told if I registered for
Zap, I don't need to have my line registered again. Maybe that's with
Zain only.

> D
> On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Japheth Kioko <japhking@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> from my understanding if one is already registered for mpesa and the like,
>> CCK may have the details they require, hence, you may already be
>> registered
>> without your knowledge!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Luke Kuvheya
>> <tendayi.kuvheya@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I think its a noble idea for the registration and i agree with Brainiac,
>>> these cost will reach us, the end users. An example Look at the MPesa
>>> registration it is semi automated and "physical id verification" is
>>> unavoidable. Can we be protected as they do this process, as it is now
>>> our
>>> data will be out there at the mercy of the integrity of these providers.
>>>
>>> my 2cents
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Wanjiru Njoroge <
>>> wanjirunjoroge@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My only concern, there's still no legislation on privacy and data
>>>> protection and that is a lot of info they'll be collecting.

They have been collecting this data without legislation on privacy yet
we don't fret over the same. The option we've been given is: register
or be 'off the grid'

>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 6/23/10, Joseph McDonald <mcdonaldoj@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > I think only filling the form is manual...from there you can automate

Alternatively, download the form if available online, covert it into
word, input your info, print and drop it at your service provider!

>>>> >
>>>> > On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 3:43 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com
>>>> >wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> the idea is anything that involves "physical verification of
>>>> documents"
>>>> >> will have a MAN HOURS cost to do. Think of counting votes manually,
>>>> and
>>>> >> the
>>>> >> cost of staff to do that. or simply voter registration process....
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Joseph McDonald
>>>> >> <mcdonaldoj@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> @ Brianiac I think you got it all wrong.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> There is no additional cost.They just want to know who owns what
>>>> line.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> They already have that with Mpesa,zap ETC....and that did not
>>>> translate
>>>> >>> to
>>>> >>> additional cost.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> For me the Idea is most welcome...if you have nothing to hide.(that
>>>> >>> is).It
>>>> >>> will also help to establish the real market indicators for the
>>>> Industry.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng
>>>> >>> <ajochola@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> I have registered today at a safaricom dealer ...am on MPESA and
>>>> >>>> PPD
>>>> -
>>>> >>>> but they insist.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> took less than 5 mins...
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Barrack Otieno
>>>> >>>> <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>> > Friends , this is common practice in Europe as Wash aptly
>>>> >>>> > captured
>>>> it,
>>>> >>>> > we must look at it from the point of Merit and demerits of not
>>>> >>>> > registering the Sim card, i suppose this was long overdue, i
>>>> remember
>>>> >>>> > buying my sim in 2002 and i had to register, then the practice
>>>> >>>> > was
>>>> >>>> > discarded ostensibly to promote growth of the industry which has
>>>> >>>> > already taken place , i suppose the next step would be to manage
>>>> this
>>>> >>>> > growth, which is why registration is key.
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> > On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Larry Madowo <
>>>> larrymads@gmail.com>
>>>> >>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>> >> People,
>>>> >>>> >> Though it might seem logistically insurmountable by Safaricom to
>>>> >>>> register
>>>> >>>> >> all the nearly 16m SIM cards on its network, almost half of them
>>>> are
>>>> >>>> on
>>>> >>>> >> M-Pesa so they need not register again. In the over a month that
>>>> the
>>>> >>>> rest
>>>> >>>> >> have, most will show up at service centres for one reason or
>>>> another
>>>> >>>> and get
>>>> >>>> >> registered. The ones that do not will have their numbers
>>>> disconnected
>>>> >>>> come
>>>> >>>> >> July 30th. This will achieve two things: the people who've held
>>>> >>>> multiple SIM
>>>> >>>> >> cards for one reason or another will lose them and the genuine
>>>> ones
>>>> >>>> will
>>>> >>>> >> rush to their service providers to reactivate their phones, and
>>>> get
>>>> >>>> >> registered.
>>>> >>>> >> Having said that, there is no legal basis for this as yet though
>>>> the
>>>> >>>> law is
>>>> >>>> >> just being drawn up but it seems the CCK and the government are
>>>> >>>> >> pretty
>>>> >>>> >> hellbent on pushing this through for security reasons.
>>>> >>>> >> Larry out
>>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 1:16 PM, [ Brainiac ] <
>>>> arebacollins@gmail.com
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>> Here is the problem :
>>>> >>>> >>> Its going to be costly, and the cost will be transferred to us,
>>>> and
>>>> >>>> may
>>>> >>>> >>> not necessarily achieve the intended purpose:
>>>> >>>> >>> reasons:
>>>> >>>> >>> 1: Physical verification of documents will not be cheap, take
>>>> for
>>>> >>>> instance
>>>> >>>> >>> safaricom. automatic verification is not practical (unless they
>>>> >>>> pursue an
>>>> >>>> >>> integration of births registry with immigration and other
>>>> >>>> >>> departments
>>>> >>>> and
>>>> >>>> >>> just integrate the data. The cost will be borne by safaricom,
>>>> trust
>>>> >>>> me.
>>>> >>>> >>> 2: If the objective is to track criminal activitied on phone,
>>>> then
>>>> >>>> >>> criminals might just resort to using stolen phones. :-(
>>>> >>>> >>> 3: The institutions currently existing have the needed
>>>> >>>> >>> resources
>>>> to
>>>> >>>> track
>>>> >>>> >>> mobile phone users. if not, the contacts for Cloie O'brien
>>>> should be
>>>> >>>> >>> somewhere out there. she can sort them out.
>>>> >>>> >>> :-))
>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Odhiambo Washington <
>>>> >>>> odhiambo@gmail.com>
>>>> >>>> >>> wrote:
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Theus Owicho <
>>>> owichot@gmail.com>
>>>> >>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>> Skunks
>>>> >>>> >>>>> I hear that this is after a "roadside" declaration by the
>>>> >>>> >>>>> president
>>>> >>>> >>>>> through his VP.
>>>> >>>> >>>>> A great read here http://bit.ly/9pox6O
>>>> >>>> >>>>> I am not seeing myself registering my SIM card
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> Across Europe, I found you could just buy a SIM card and use
>>>> it. No
>>>> >>>> one
>>>> >>>> >>>> really bothered.
>>>> >>>> >>>> However in Singapore, you don't get to buy a SIM card if you
>>>> don't
>>>> >>>> have
>>>> >>>> >>>> proper identification, and they take a copy of your
>>>> identification
>>>> >>>> to
>>>> >>>> >>>> accompany the registration! If, for instance, you call for a
>>>> taxi
>>>> >>>> (Taxi
>>>> >>>> >>>> companies there are registered and individuals CANNOT operate
>>>> >>>> taxis!) and
>>>> >>>> >>>> disappear with another one that just happened to be nearer,
>>>> >>>> >>>> you
>>>> >>>> >>>> will
>>>> >>>> receive
>>>> >>>> >>>> a bill anyway:-)
>>>> >>>> >>>> Now, personally, I don't see anything ill with the requirement
>>>> that
>>>> >>>> we
>>>> >>>> >>>> register SIM cards, and I am not opposed to the govt using my
>>>> >>>> information.
>>>> >>>> >>>> After all, the govt controls everything, bar for the air you
>>>> >>>> >>>> breath,
>>>> >>>> no?
>>>> >>>> >>>> That is why it is government. You don't wish you were in
>>>> Somalia,
>>>> >>>> right?
>>>> >>>> >>>> I really don't understand why someone would NOT want to
>>>> register
>>>> >>>> their
>>>> >>>> >>>> SIM cards.
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> --
>>>> >>>> >>>> Best regards,
>>>> >>>> >>>> Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
>>>> >>>> >>>> Nairobi,KE
>>>> >>>> >>>> +254733744121/+254722743223
>>>> >>>> >>>> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
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>>>> >>>> >>>> up!."
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