Many kenyan business sites are nowadays carrying Nelly Data Ticker. Question is : 1) Is Nelly Data a local app and by whom? 2) Is the NSE on local developed business app thus Nelly Data on offspring ? Interesting stuff ahead. :-)
Isnt it from Knowing.co.ke? On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 10:13 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Many kenyan business sites are nowadays carrying Nelly Data Ticker.
Question is :
1) Is Nelly Data a local app and by whom?
2) Is the NSE on local developed business app thus Nelly Data on offspring ?
Interesting stuff ahead. :-)
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On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
Isnt it from Knowing.co.ke <http://knowing.co.ke/>?
@Joram, the site says nothing about a kenyan software development company. Nothing.. what kind of development do they do? Vendors of a software or full internal developers? :-)
@Aki - it is all Kenyan....all the time. -- Josiah Mugambi Mike Ditka <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/mike_ditka.html> - "If God had wanted man to play soccer, he wouldn't have given us arms." On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 10:48 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
Isnt it from Knowing.co.ke <http://knowing.co.ke/>?
@Joram, the site says nothing about a kenyan software development company. Nothing.. what kind of development do they do? Vendors of a software or full internal developers? :-)
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We discussed knowing on this forum a few weeks ago. They develop software for most(if not all) stock brokerages and other CMA related organisations.... On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 10:48 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
Isnt it from Knowing.co.ke <http://knowing.co.ke/>?
@Joram, the site says nothing about a kenyan software development company. Nothing.. what kind of development do they do? Vendors of a software or full internal developers? :-)
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Try WHOIS nellydata.com 2009/11/23 Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>
We discussed knowing on this forum a few weeks ago. They develop software for most(if not all) stock brokerages and other CMA related organisations....
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 10:48 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
Isnt it from Knowing.co.ke <http://knowing.co.ke/>?
@Joram, the site says nothing about a kenyan software development company. Nothing.. what kind of development do they do? Vendors of a software or full internal developers? :-)
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@Josiah, thnks. @Joram, thnks too. More questions, if you know the answers, please discuss : - What platform are they developing on? Their website has no information etc. - In dealing with NSE, what application certification process did they pass so that their developments could be allowed for commercial and financial use eg CMA ? Nelly Data, is it also subject to approval from CMA ? Asante.
Ok, lets forget about the developers, platforms etc as I don't want anyone to get me wrong on this. Lets discuss about Nelly data ( whether xml based etc ). Many kenyan sites and possibly phone apps run the ticker. Here are some of the issues that arise from the app : - Data consistency, reliability and availability. Who certified the app as one of a legitimate source of data from the NSE? Did CMA pass this or did NSE just adapt it, if so what methods of testing/benchmarking/ were used to pass it? Me thots... :-)
Knowng.co.ke & nellydata.co.ke are doing themselves a gross disservice by not having: - A comprehensive site in place - Product portfolio - Customer listing - White papers & FAQs - Proper contacts First impressions are everything. On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 11:36 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Ok, lets forget about the developers, platforms etc as I don't want anyone to get me wrong on this.
Lets discuss about Nelly data ( whether xml based etc ). Many kenyan sites and possibly phone apps run the ticker. Here are some of the issues that arise from the app :
- Data consistency, reliability and availability. Who certified the app as one of a legitimate source of data from the NSE? Did CMA pass this or did NSE just adapt it, if so what methods of testing/benchmarking/ were used to pass it?
Me thots... :-)
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@Rad, let us also forget about the developer companies involved. Lets take this a step further. The data out of NSE, whether a spreadsheet converted to an xml doc, does it have an exclusive arrangement with Nelly Data or is the stocks data open to anyone to make their apps? Or is NSE charging for this data on and restricting it to some arrangments? Anti-competitive behaviour? I saw the site rick.co.ke and there are graphs there too but the sources of the stock data are not verified? Is data from NSE verified ? Too many questions are coming up now... ( BTW, I'm not interested in building a stocks ticker.. ) Well, thats my contribution for a while...time to put more efforts into other stuff. :-) Asante.
NSE sells it's data to resellers. Anyone can e come a reseller. They have different reseller packages. On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 12:39 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
@Rad, let us also forget about the developer companies involved. Lets take this a step further.
The data out of NSE, whether a spreadsheet converted to an xml doc, does it have an exclusive arrangement with Nelly Data or is the stocks data open to anyone to make their apps? Or is NSE charging for this data on and restricting it to some arrangments? Anti-competitive behaviour? I saw the site rick.co.ke and there are graphs there too but the sources of the stock data are not verified? Is data from NSE verified ?
Too many questions are coming up now... ( BTW, I'm not interested in building a stocks ticker.. )
Well, thats my contribution for a while...time to put more efforts into other stuff. :-)
Asante.
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@Aki I went to the NSE site to try and find out what services a data vendor can provide, and what restrictions there are. There is a link 'Data Vendors'. Clicking it will take you here http://www.nse.co.ke/newsite/inner.asp?cat=dv. To my complete lack of surprise, that page is of no help. I however agree with you -- end users need some reassurance of the source of the data and the exact time. Perhaps a simple hashing algorith with a hyperlink link back to the NSE to verify the data or something On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 12:39 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
@Rad, let us also forget about the developer companies involved. Lets take
this a step further.
The data out of NSE, whether a spreadsheet converted to an xml doc, does
it have an exclusive arrangement with Nelly Data or is the stocks data open to anyone to make their apps? Or is NSE charging for this data on and restricting it to some arrangments? Anti-competitive behaviour? I saw the site rick.co.ke and there are graphs there too but the sources of the stock data are not verified? Is data from NSE verified ?
Too many questions are coming up now... ( BTW, I'm not interested in
building a stocks ticker.. )
Well, thats my contribution for a while...time to put more efforts into
other stuff. :-)
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The data out of NSE, whether a spreadsheet converted to an xml doc, does it have an exclusive arrangement with Nelly Data or is the stocks data open to anyone to make their apps? Or is NSE charging for this data on and restricting it to some arrangments? Anti-competitive behaviour? I saw the site rick.co.ke and there are graphs there too but the sources of the stock data are not verified? Is data from NSE verified ?
Did u by any chance mean http://www.rich.co.ke/? The data on that site is usually not live, the one I have just seen now is dated 20th November. If I am not wrong, NSE makes public data for the days trading a day after?
The NSE provides data to vendors using the FIX protocol. The work of a vendor is to format this data appropriately (graphs, reports, etc), and this is the service they give to the end user. There's a monthly fee paid to the NSE by data vendors, and some may choose to give this free or at a fee. The NSE gives a pricelist at the end of each day for free, with weighted average prices for the different counters. On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
The data out of NSE, whether a spreadsheet converted to an xml doc, does it
have an exclusive arrangement with Nelly Data or is the stocks data open to anyone to make their apps? Or is NSE charging for this data on and restricting it to some arrangments? Anti-competitive behaviour? I saw the site rick.co.ke and there are graphs there too but the sources of the stock data are not verified? Is data from NSE verified ?
Did u by any chance mean http://www.rich.co.ke/? The data on that site is usually not live, the one I have just seen now is dated 20th November. If I am not wrong, NSE makes public data for the days trading a day after?
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The NSE gives a pricelist at the end of each day for free, with weighted average prices for the different counters.
The NSE has had a daily- and weekly- pricelist available for download for a number of years now. They're usually available as .xls files, though the URL has changed more than once. I wrote a little bash script that has been silently collecting this data since October 2006, both the daily and weekly versions. I have the data just lying dormant since I haven't had the time to do anything meaningful with it. If you want it, holla.... with a few conditions: - Help me write a script that will extract the .xls data into CSV files (Apache Tika http://lucene.apache.org/tika/ is an excellent library for this, but anything else is welcome) - Let's put up the raw data, extracted data and extraction scripts somewhere so anyone can access it I've been meaning to do basic machine-learning/natural-language-processing on the data, simply cuz it's interesting to be able to write a program that can automatically highly correlate share prices with events happening elsewhere (politics, weather, economic etc etc). On Nellydata: These folks are quite interesting. There is *zero* security on their data feeds, and *zero* terms of use. How do I know this? I wrote a script that has been collecting Nellydata from *public* websites... I have per-minute data since July 2008. If you want it, holla... conditions identical to NSE data. There are no terms-of-use on the Nellydata site I collect this from... infact, there are no terms of use on any of the publicy available sites that host Nellydata feeds. Very strange indeed. Any takers? Saidi On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 5:06 AM, Edwin Kaduki <ekaduki@gmail.com> wrote:
The NSE gives a pricelist at the end of each day for free, with weighted average prices for the different counters.
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 6:48 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
The NSE gives a pricelist at the end of each day for free, with weighted
average prices for the different counters.
The NSE has had a daily- and weekly- pricelist available for download for a number of years now. They're usually available as .xls files, though the URL has changed more than once.
I wrote a little bash script that has been silently collecting this data since October 2006, both the daily and weekly versions. I have the data just lying dormant since I haven't had the time to do anything meaningful with it.
@ Saidimu how many years are these?....that persistence can be valuable at some time!!!
If you want it, holla.... with a few conditions:
- Help me write a script that will extract the .xls data into CSV files (Apache Tika http://lucene.apache.org/tika/ is an excellent library for this, but anything else is welcome) - Let's put up the raw data, extracted data and extraction scripts somewhere so anyone can access it
I've been meaning to do basic machine-learning/natural-language-processing on the data, simply cuz it's interesting to be able to write a program that can automatically highly correlate share prices with events happening elsewhere (politics, weather, economic etc etc).
On Nellydata:
These folks are quite interesting. There is *zero* security on their data feeds, and *zero* terms of use. How do I know this? I wrote a script that has been collecting Nellydata from *public* websites... I have per-minute data since July 2008.
@ Saidimu ... since when again,wow!
If you want it, holla... conditions identical to NSE data. There are no terms-of-use on the Nellydata site I collect this from... infact, there are no terms of use on any of the publicy available sites that host Nellydata feeds. Very strange indeed.
Any takers?
Saidi
Super thread @ Aki It is quite an eye and mind opener! I really believe its a high time Kenya moves from its 3rd World status to something even better.With such scrutiny and real followup we will get somewhere. Nelly Data yes, is a great platform and for sure NSE ...(I salute their efforts) ...but should we limit our capabilities be it "competitiveness, flexibility,credibility or even security" just because we fall under this part of the sun!!! Jst study enterprises doing the same in developed countries and you will be surprised on how much information and effort they make in their lines.Why cant we match this or even have better... Let the debate go on, a CONSTRUCTIVE one for that matter. Chris_w. dabnix@gmail.com
Hopefully people can chip in so we can create interesting things that anyone can build on in a variety of ways. I have quite a bit of code in various states of function and non-function, let's see where this one goes. saidi On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Chris W. <dabnix@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 6:48 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
The NSE gives a pricelist at the end of each day for free, with weighted
average prices for the different counters.
The NSE has had a daily- and weekly- pricelist available for download for a number of years now. They're usually available as .xls files, though the URL has changed more than once.
I wrote a little bash script that has been silently collecting this data since October 2006, both the daily and weekly versions. I have the data just lying dormant since I haven't had the time to do anything meaningful with it.
@ Saidimu how many years are these?....that persistence can be valuable at some time!!!
If you want it, holla.... with a few conditions:
- Help me write a script that will extract the .xls data into CSV files (Apache Tika http://lucene.apache.org/tika/ is an excellent library for this, but anything else is welcome) - Let's put up the raw data, extracted data and extraction scripts somewhere so anyone can access it
I've been meaning to do basic machine-learning/natural-language-processing on the data, simply cuz it's interesting to be able to write a program that can automatically highly correlate share prices with events happening elsewhere (politics, weather, economic etc etc).
On Nellydata:
These folks are quite interesting. There is *zero* security on their data feeds, and *zero* terms of use. How do I know this? I wrote a script that has been collecting Nellydata from *public* websites... I have per-minute data since July 2008.
@ Saidimu ... since when again,wow!
If you want it, holla... conditions identical to NSE data. There are no terms-of-use on the Nellydata site I collect this from... infact, there are no terms of use on any of the publicy available sites that host Nellydata feeds. Very strange indeed.
Any takers?
Saidi
Super thread @ Aki
It is quite an eye and mind opener! I really believe its a high time Kenya moves from its 3rd World status to something even better.With such scrutiny and real followup we will get somewhere.
Nelly Data yes, is a great platform and for sure NSE ...(I salute their efforts)
...but should we limit our capabilities be it "competitiveness, flexibility,credibility or even security" just because we fall under this part of the sun!!! Jst study enterprises doing the same in developed countries and you will be surprised on how much information and effort they make in their lines.Why cant we match this or even have better...
Let the debate go on, a CONSTRUCTIVE one for that matter.
Chris_w. dabnix@gmail.com
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2009/11/23 saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com>
If you want it, holla.... with a few conditions:
- Help me write a script that will extract the .xls data into CSV files (Apache Tika http://lucene.apache.org/tika/ is an excellent library for this, but anything else is welcome) - Let's put up the raw data, extracted data and extraction scripts somewhere so anyone can access it
@ Saidi, I once wrote a program that was converting the excel spreadsheet data into a database (sql server), will look for it in my archives and share..
Nice! I hope you can find it. saidi On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Njoroge Tito <titonjoroge@gmail.com>wrote:
2009/11/23 saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com>
If you want it, holla.... with a few conditions:
- Help me write a script that will extract the .xls data into CSV files (Apache Tika http://lucene.apache.org/tika/ is an excellent library for this, but anything else is welcome) - Let's put up the raw data, extracted data and extraction scripts somewhere so anyone can access it
@ Saidi,
I once wrote a program that was converting the excel spreadsheet data into a database (sql server), will look for it in my archives and share..
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Well, I don't really know how to use this thing but I'll give it a go. First, of course I'll take a huge leap and say I took on the Nelly Data project, Zink Digital did the design and all but it needed to do live streaming and that's where I came in, with very little web knowledge (thank the universe for Google) SO 1. Nelly Data is a local app, I think it was named after a lady called Nelly who I worked with once (very mean lady), not on Nelly data though)... I worked for Knowing at the time they were rolling it out and enhanced the Nelly Data interface that's now password protected (I wonder if those leaked, hmmm...) and I designed and developed several "TV"s like the one seen in the Dyer & Blair reception, it's a scroll-up ticker. Also the ticker on bdafrica.com, stocks kenya, and most broker websites working with Knowing limited. Good old days. 2. Nelly data are a certified vendor of NSE data. That means that whatever they give has been checked by NSE (dudes) and is accurate. 3. The main Nelly Data dashboard runs on ASP (native) and AJAX. The rest-crazy logic that if said would be termed as leaking trade secrets, and I'm not in the habit of attracting bad karma. The stocks that were previously shown on the wap.safaricom.com homepage were before they (Safaricom) changed the interface was also Nelly Data. 4. Knowing Limited do everything to do with Shares & IT. Crazy (as in insanely bright) guy at the top who doesn't even allow himself to be called CEO. Master of all things professional. Sells ice to eskimos, that man. And that's his strategy, he doesn't want/need to be known to rake in the business the company realizes (and it's not small). They also do Custodian systems for all this banks who are now brokers (wonder if that will land me into trouble, hope not).... 5. It's NOT as easy as just pulling a spreadsheet and pushing the data to a DB... Think about data that refreshes every 15 seconds. Calculate the number of spreadsheets that in that case, will be issued from 9am - 3pm. Data is provided in other ways (TCP/IP). Like the fix protocol Edwin talked about 6. @Saidi - The tickers are free for public viewing, and you're one of the gifted few who can take advantage of this... security isn't exactly zero because you can't stop the ticker's functionality or get any more than you're actually seeing e.g. like data for the previous 5 minutes if you haven't been there to save it already. But that is a good point, and knowing Knowing's owner, he probably already has terms-of-use and all relevant documents on the way. 7. Finally, there are lots of other guys who vend form NSE, Rich, Eight, MyStocks, but their sites are either too slow or give very old data, minimum 15 minute lag. Nelly Data is on the spot data. Visit your broker, you'll be amazed at what Nelly Data offers, I can comfortably say we matched Google Finance, while I was working there anyway, and that was 2007. If anyone can take stocks to the next level, Nelly Data can. All the other people are too involved in being noticed and attracting fame (cough cough... Rich.co.ke... cough cough) Disclaimer: None of my views here are those of Knowing Limited. Just I just heard from someone who heard from me. Lovely day. On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 6:06 AM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
Nice! I hope you can find it.
saidi
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Njoroge Tito <titonjoroge@gmail.com>wrote:
2009/11/23 saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com>
If you want it, holla.... with a few conditions:
- Help me write a script that will extract the .xls data into CSV files (Apache Tika http://lucene.apache.org/tika/ is an excellent library for this, but anything else is welcome) - Let's put up the raw data, extracted data and extraction scripts somewhere so anyone can access it
@ Saidi,
I once wrote a program that was converting the excel spreadsheet data into a database (sql server), will look for it in my archives and share..
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@Kago, nice one! And thanks for giving it 100% KE effort on the code and app. :-))) Nelly Should be thanked for her good work.... These are personal opinions, so pls correct as necessary : - Certifying the app. NSE cannot certify it. NSE data starts and ends within its premises, unless NSE has made a deal with Nelly to distribute content. That would be anti-competitive. CMA needs to look into about the data vendor issues. So NSE or CMA need to comeout with techniques used for certification. Nelly code is a trade secret, which is fine and should be protected from trollers but must also comply with data integrity and availability issues. I think NSE, Nelly data have to comeup with an interim measure to authenticate the data. One false data stream event could send the stock markets on a crash course, especially for those whose refer to sites and handsets for monitoring their investments. This is disaster waiting to happen. Rgds.
And @Kago, if you would like to see an example on importance of data integrity when it comes to public access, please check out Nation page 22. The advert run by a company called Specialised Power Systems. I'm still trying to DECIPHER the coded messages in that advert.... Rgds.
@aki,thanks. But the data is very accurate. Kaduki had explained that NSE gives a fix feed that is used to populate the data on the websites so if NSE are wrong, then the dashboards and tickers will reflect wrong data. We take the raw materials (feed) and give the users the finished product and analysis. And to everybody, I would like to apologize for certain statements that can be interpreted to have been made in bad taste, namely the references to Nelly, MyStocks, Eight and Rich.co.ke. I mistook this for an email blogroll and for that I am sorry for any Skunkworks policies that I may have breached, and to anyone I may have defamed. It's nice to know we have people who are ready to come forward and highlight these issues. I look forward to making more contributions in accordance with your (now our) policies. @Eugine, sincere gratitude. Again, none of the statements I have made were the views of Nelly Data / Knowing Limited. Onto other matters, I've heard of numerous companies individuals try to create mobile trading systems. I wonder why no broker/bank has come forward with such a service. I've already looked at the logic for it and it seems extremely EASY to implement. If Safaricom are doing 5 bob scratch cards, I don't see why brokers should neglect the people who would go for this method of trading, considering they would make a commission for all transactions made... @Aki - I will have a look at the ad... and data integrity is surely big business now. I'm sure there's a degree for just that. And considering the issues we've been having with Nyaga and all these other brokers under receivership or closed down, who has the mandate to go through the code and make sure there's no way you can call the programmer aside and ask him to create a little loophole with your *undetectable* logic... The steal-2-cents-in-every-transaction is a very real danger with stocks.When I had just cleared high school I used to do jua cali VB/MS SQL reconciliation between broker and registrar figures for the Eveready IPO and the figures would NEVER EVER EVER come close, even when the brokers would give me direct access to their databases. Even those little discrepancies should be really looked into. So that we (the general public or customers) can know if it's the software that's moving figures or it's the front-desk personnel who made a mistake in filling in a few forms. On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 1:18 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
And @Kago, if you would like to see an example on importance of data integrity when it comes to public access, please check out Nation page 22. The advert run by a company called Specialised Power Systems.
I'm still trying to DECIPHER the coded messages in that advert....
Rgds.
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On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Kago Kagichiri <thekenyanprince@gmail.com>wrote:
@aki,thanks. But the data is very accurate. Kaduki had explained that NSE gives a fix feed that is used to populate the data on the websites so if NSE are wrong, then the dashboards and tickers will reflect wrong data. We take the raw materials (feed) and give the users the finished product and analysis.
@Kago, thnks for sharing the info. As suggested by Rad!, some sort of time stamp between stream data and app data would do well. This time stamp can be validated by 3rd parties as a source of data from NSE. I hope that something will be done by both parties, which in turn will help Nelly Data become a benchmark of expected public apps distributing sensitive data. There is a big positive side too... :-)
And welcome to Skunks!
participants (12)
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aki -
Chris W. -
Edwin Kaduki -
James Mutuku -
Jared Koyier -
Joram Mwinamo -
Josiah Mugambi -
Kago Kagichiri -
Njoroge Tito -
Peter Karunyu -
Rad! -
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