Re: [Skunkworks] Technicians reactivating fake phones at Sh1, 000 - Business_News - nation.co.ke
am still clueless as to what this exercise was all about. more so, when the phones i assumed were being targeted, the dual sims from china, validate at CCK but the one person i know whose phone was denied network access had a samsung galaxy ace bought from safaricom On Oct 8, 2012 9:51 PM, "Mickey Mickey" <michaelakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
I know this is not the end of the government jokes, the list is still piling up, but the guy who bought his phone from safaricom upon presenting his receipt he will be given a new phone, tell him to follow up Regards On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:08 PM, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote:
am still clueless as to what this exercise was all about. more so, when the phones i assumed were being targeted, the dual sims from china, validate at CCK but the one person i know whose phone was denied network access had a samsung galaxy ace bought from safaricom On Oct 8, 2012 9:51 PM, "Mickey Mickey" <michaelakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
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My Samsung Jet (S8003) was bought from Safaricom and was blocked too. Reason? There is a time I took it to Samsung Service Centre and they changed the digitizer+software and I think they did not re-implant the IMEI (for lack of a better description). So one day after the barring exercises, I saw my phone displaying "unregistered SIM". I changed the SIM card and all were displaying the same. I called safaricom and they confirmed my SIM cards status as good. I pressed *#06# and the IMEI was a series on zeros/zero (000000000000000/0). Took the phone to Samsung Service Centre in Westlands and now waiting for them to make it work or replace it. On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:08 PM, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote:
am still clueless as to what this exercise was all about. more so, when the phones i assumed were being targeted, the dual sims from china, validate at CCK but the one person i know whose phone was denied network access had a samsung galaxy ace bought from safaricom On Oct 8, 2012 9:51 PM, "Mickey Mickey" <michaelakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
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@ Wash. Just out of curiosity had you checked your IMEI before the switch off started just not to check it was legit? I personally checked on all my phones . On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
My Samsung Jet (S8003) was bought from Safaricom and was blocked too. Reason? There is a time I took it to Samsung Service Centre and they changed the digitizer+software and I think they did not re-implant the IMEI (for lack of a better description). So one day after the barring exercises, I saw my phone displaying "unregistered SIM". I changed the SIM card and all were displaying the same. I called safaricom and they confirmed my SIM cards status as good. I pressed *#06# and the IMEI was a series on zeros/zero (000000000000000/0). Took the phone to Samsung Service Centre in Westlands and now waiting for them to make it work or replace it.
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:08 PM, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote:
am still clueless as to what this exercise was all about. more so, when the phones i assumed were being targeted, the dual sims from china, validate at CCK but the one person i know whose phone was denied network access had a samsung galaxy ace bought from safaricom On Oct 8, 2012 9:51 PM, "Mickey Mickey" <michaelakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
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@Job, I did not feel I had any reason to check:) The phone's records are even in Safaricom's database of gadgets they sold. It was a bad assumption, but again this is a phone I rarely used... still will be rarely used... planning to donate it to a deserving someone. On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Job Muriuki <muriukin@gmail.com> wrote:
@ Wash. Just out of curiosity had you checked your IMEI before the switch off started just not to check it was legit? I personally checked on all my phones .
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
My Samsung Jet (S8003) was bought from Safaricom and was blocked too. Reason? There is a time I took it to Samsung Service Centre and they changed the digitizer+software and I think they did not re-implant the IMEI (for lack of a better description). So one day after the barring exercises, I saw my phone displaying "unregistered SIM". I changed the SIM card and all were displaying the same. I called safaricom and they confirmed my SIM cards status as good. I pressed *#06# and the IMEI was a series on zeros/zero (000000000000000/0). Took the phone to Samsung Service Centre in Westlands and now waiting for them to make it work or replace it.
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:08 PM, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote:
am still clueless as to what this exercise was all about. more so, when the phones i assumed were being targeted, the dual sims from china, validate at CCK but the one person i know whose phone was denied network access had a samsung galaxy ace bought from safaricom On Oct 8, 2012 9:51 PM, "Mickey Mickey" <michaelakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
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My Ideos is still alive and kicking... On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
@Job,
I did not feel I had any reason to check:)
The phone's records are even in Safaricom's database of gadgets they sold. It was a bad assumption, but again this is a phone I rarely used... still will be rarely used... planning to donate it to a deserving someone.
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Job Muriuki <muriukin@gmail.com> wrote:
@ Wash. Just out of curiosity had you checked your IMEI before the switch off started just not to check it was legit? I personally checked on all my phones .
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
My Samsung Jet (S8003) was bought from Safaricom and was blocked too. Reason? There is a time I took it to Samsung Service Centre and they changed the digitizer+software and I think they did not re-implant the IMEI (for lack of a better description). So one day after the barring exercises, I saw my phone displaying "unregistered SIM". I changed the SIM card and all were displaying the same. I called safaricom and they confirmed my SIM cards status as good. I pressed *#06# and the IMEI was a series on zeros/zero (000000000000000/0). Took the phone to Samsung Service Centre in Westlands and now waiting for them to make it work or replace it.
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:08 PM, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote:
am still clueless as to what this exercise was all about. more so, when the phones i assumed were being targeted, the dual sims from china, validate at CCK but the one person i know whose phone was denied network access had a samsung galaxy ace bought from safaricom On Oct 8, 2012 9:51 PM, "Mickey Mickey" <michaelakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
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I think we mistook the objective or whoever defined it was not sure what they wanted to do. They were 'switching off' phones without an IMEI, not necessarily fake phones. So not expecting people to work around it was a bit short sighted. However I can assure you someone somewhere made a lot of money. What is a fake phone anyway? I think the focus should shift to educating consumers. Trying to fight technology or business interests doesnt scale anymore. jgitau On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 7:56 PM, Mike M. <mmycool@gmail.com> wrote:
My Ideos is still alive and kicking...
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
@Job,
I did not feel I had any reason to check:)
The phone's records are even in Safaricom's database of gadgets they sold. It was a bad assumption, but again this is a phone I rarely used... still will be rarely used... planning to donate it to a deserving someone.
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Job Muriuki <muriukin@gmail.com> wrote:
@ Wash. Just out of curiosity had you checked your IMEI before the switch off started just not to check it was legit? I personally checked on all my phones .
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com
wrote:
My Samsung Jet (S8003) was bought from Safaricom and was blocked too. Reason? There is a time I took it to Samsung Service Centre and they changed the digitizer+software and I think they did not re-implant the IMEI (for lack of a better description). So one day after the barring exercises, I saw my phone displaying "unregistered SIM". I changed the SIM card and all were displaying the same. I called safaricom and they confirmed my SIM cards status as good. I pressed *#06# and the IMEI was a series on zeros/zero (000000000000000/0). Took the phone to Samsung Service Centre in Westlands and now waiting for them to make it work or replace it.
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:08 PM, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote:
am still clueless as to what this exercise was all about. more so, when the phones i assumed were being targeted, the dual sims from china, validate at CCK but the one person i know whose phone was denied network access had a samsung galaxy ace bought from safaricom On Oct 8, 2012 9:51 PM, "Mickey Mickey" <michaelakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
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Me thinks that the guys over at CCK are serving some else interest, probably someone outside the country, and that we are some sort of experiment. Guys over the border are laughing at us, and have preferred a more sane approach where they have taxpayers (not donors and kind businesses) interests at heart http://sabahionline.com/en_GB/articles/hoa/articles/newsbriefs/2012/10/05/ne... Of course since CCK were treating symptoms (consumers with fake phones) of a problem(shrewd businessmen importing counterfeit phones), there is a new symptom which they are rushing to treat. The Chinese will soon innovate and bring in fake phones which are programmable. The argument was that switching the phones off would quell demand. Probably, CCK doesn't understand that many of these people are misled to purchase this phones in that they are genuine ones. Maybe a simple study on how the fake phones are sold would have helped?
Tanzania's approach is more sane. Our government too should have initially shut down stores that sell counterfeit phones first. On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Me thinks that the guys over at CCK are serving some else interest, probably someone outside the country, and that we are some sort of experiment.
Guys over the border are laughing at us, and have preferred a more sane approach where they have taxpayers (not donors and kind businesses) interests at heart http://sabahionline.com/en_GB/articles/hoa/articles/newsbriefs/2012/10/05/ne...
Of course since CCK were treating symptoms (consumers with fake phones) of a problem(shrewd businessmen importing counterfeit phones), there is a new symptom which they are rushing to treat. The Chinese will soon innovate and bring in fake phones which are programmable.
The argument was that switching the phones off would quell demand. Probably, CCK doesn't understand that many of these people are misled to purchase this phones in that they are genuine ones. Maybe a simple study on how the fake phones are sold would have helped?
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Personally, I think it is quite okay to let people use the "fake" phones, but warn them of the dangers they are exposed to. Once they know that it is their own goose, right? If it gets cooked, who cares?? However, you cannot warn of a danger is you do not have proof of the same and I am 100% sure it is almost impossible for CCK to get these details. What CCK needs to impose is SIM registration. This they should make sure is done under the strictest terms, with hefty penalties for violators as this directly impacts on security. Phones are small things, really. Last night I used a motorbike boda-boda and the name was "Kewesekl" - that is like what we know from China, right? Made to look like a Kawasaki, but it is NOT fake by any means - because it took me to my destination and back. A motorbike is such a big object so I guess KeBS tested the engine for emissions before allowing it into KE market. Your guess is as good as mine. This barring of phones is an exercise in futility. We should concentrate on barring of UNREGISTERED SIM Cards and I think it should be made a criminal offence to NOT register a SIM card or to register with fraudulent details. On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Me thinks that the guys over at CCK are serving some else interest, probably someone outside the country, and that we are some sort of experiment.
Guys over the border are laughing at us, and have preferred a more sane approach where they have taxpayers (not donors and kind businesses) interests at heart http://sabahionline.com/en_GB/articles/hoa/articles/newsbriefs/2012/10/05/ne...
Of course since CCK were treating symptoms (consumers with fake phones) of a problem(shrewd businessmen importing counterfeit phones), there is a new symptom which they are rushing to treat. The Chinese will soon innovate and bring in fake phones which are programmable.
The argument was that switching the phones off would quell demand. Probably, CCK doesn't understand that many of these people are misled to purchase this phones in that they are genuine ones. Maybe a simple study on how the fake phones are sold would have helped?
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-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler.
SIM registration would have been done a long time ago if any corporate or big business stood to profit from it. Ours, like many democracies world over, is a government that serves the rich and their corporate short-term interest (profit). Your cause is almost doomed without corporate (business) backing behind you. Things like ordinary citizen's security, health and economic and social stability take a back-burner until the corporations see profit. It's hard to argue with govt functionaries basing decisions on what earns the exchequer the most revenue. The saving grace is that we're much more informed and it was refreshing to see twiterrati and bloggers on the streets yesterday. The civil society has changed with the times, and it sounds as if reason may still prevail if you are able to explain your cause well enough to these people. ________________________________ From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Technicians reactivating fake phones at Sh1, 000 - Business_News - nation.co.ke Personally, I think it is quite okay to let people use the "fake" phones, but warn them of the dangers they are exposed to. Once they know that it is their own goose, right? If it gets cooked, who cares?? However, you cannot warn of a danger is you do not have proof of the same and I am 100% sure it is almost impossible for CCK to get these details. What CCK needs to impose is SIM registration. This they should make sure is done under the strictest terms, with hefty penalties for violators as this directly impacts on security. Phones are small things, really. Last night I used a motorbike boda-boda and the name was "Kewesekl" - that is like what we know from China, right? Made to look like a Kawasaki, but it is NOT fake by any means - because it took me to my destination and back. A motorbike is such a big object so I guess KeBS tested the engine for emissions before allowing it into KE market. Your guess is as good as mine. This barring of phones is an exercise in futility. We should concentrate on barring of UNREGISTERED SIM Cards and I think it should be made a criminal offence to NOT register a SIM card or to register with fraudulent details. On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote: Me thinks that the guys over at CCK are serving some else interest, probably someone outside the country, and that we are some sort of experiment.
Guys over the border are laughing at us, and have preferred a more sane approach where they have taxpayers (not donors and kind businesses) interests at heart http://sabahionline.com/en_GB/articles/hoa/articles/newsbriefs/2012/10/05/ne...
Of course since CCK were treating symptoms (consumers with fake phones) of a problem(shrewd businessmen importing counterfeit phones), there is a new symptom which they are rushing to treat. The Chinese will soon innovate and bring in fake phones which are programmable.
The argument was that switching the phones off would quell demand. Probably, CCK doesn't understand that many of these people are misled to purchase this phones in that they are genuine ones. Maybe a simple study on how the fake phones are sold would have helped? _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------
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