Another useless open source project story, unless you are NASA.
Well, if your are NASA than you know what you are doing. Showing the Wannabe world how things get done.... NASA also is developing its own cloud computing technology known as Nebula. Nebula is an open source project that the space agency will use for building shared services, storage capacity, and computing cycles to reduce its costs. According to a CIO.com<http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/092910-for-nasa-an-open-source-cloud.html>story on the project, Nebubla will let users throughout NASA can unilaterally provision and manage IT resources for low-security applications on demand. Next year, IT will launch Nebula's platform as a service: a shared development framework, code repository and set of Web services that developers can use to deploy secure, policy-compliant software-as-a-service applications. NASA has spent more than $10 million on the project, but it will be another year before the return is clear http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/nasa-takes-cloud-computing-mars?t... --- Saidia-Ohh-Saidia Apps Made in KE aka Mkate Nusu---
Hey Punk! Shut the hell up if you dont understand open source. All open source projects are a result of selfless and sheer hardwork which cant be equated to useless. Those working on NASA projects are guys with masters, doctorates in mindblowing disciplines. No Tom, Dick or Harry or even you can come out of the woodworks and trivialise their work. Comprendre! Cheers! Allan Lumte, Random Guy
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 4:15 AM, allan oware <lumtegis@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Punk! Shut the hell up if you dont understand open source. All open
Damn. How I wish allan were noel. BR S -- This message represents the official view of the voices in my head.
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 5:34 AM, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
Damn. How I wish allan were noel.
Sorry I'm replying to my own post, but what I meant is, at least if he was noel, he wouldn't have posted this, because he'd no longer be here. Alas, wishful thinking. Goodnight. BR S
Punk, lol! Take it easy and read the message in the subject line. Maybe you can explain the PHD the kid had when he jailbroke the iPhone. Are you waiting for the real world to create a freeware for your use so that it can be donated via repositories or do you lack the mental capacity to create one? From your comment, clearly your IQ is that of an end user, therefore I suggest you up the game on understand the depth of such matters before posting blindly. Cheers. On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 4:15 AM, allan oware <lumtegis@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Punk! Shut the hell up if you dont understand open source. All open source projects are a result of selfless and sheer hardwork which cant be equated to useless. Those working on NASA projects are guys with masters, doctorates in mindblowing disciplines. No Tom, Dick or Harry or even you can come out of the woodworks and trivialise their work. Comprendre!
Cheers! Allan Lumte, Random Guy
I actually chose to ignore anything @Aki sends across coz of the "Am always right" attitude. David. On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 7:05 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Punk, lol!
Take it easy and read the message in the subject line. Maybe you can explain the PHD the kid had when he jailbroke the iPhone. Are you waiting for the real world to create a freeware for your use so that it can be donated via repositories or do you lack the mental capacity to create one? From your comment, clearly your IQ is that of an end user, therefore I suggest you up the game on understand the depth of such matters before posting blindly.
Cheers.
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 4:15 AM, allan oware <lumtegis@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Punk! Shut the hell up if you dont understand open source. All open source projects are a result of selfless and sheer hardwork which cant be equated to useless. Those working on NASA projects are guys with masters, doctorates in mindblowing disciplines. No Tom, Dick or Harry or even you can come out of the woodworks and trivialise their work. Comprendre!
Cheers! Allan Lumte, Random Guy
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Hey guys kwani the witch hunt bug has hit skunks so much att floating in this threat. Relax guys it was just an opinion put across for our hearing,,, though I also beleive using the word 'useless' in the subject line is a bit too strong esp in the open source community which is built on ideas and wishes. Me thots! On 11/5/10, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 7:08 AM, David Mugo <raidarmax@gmail.com> wrote:
I actually chose to ignore anything @Aki sends across coz of the "Am always right" attitude.
David.
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On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 4:15 AM, allan oware <lumtegis@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Punk! Shut the hell up if you dont understand open source. All open source projects are a result of selfless and sheer hardwork which cant be equated to useless. Those working on NASA projects are guys with masters, doctorates in mindblowing disciplines. No Tom, Dick or Harry or even you can come out of the woodworks and trivialise their work. Comprendre!
This guy, Allan, has just reminded me of one of my teachers in High School. Used to teach Accounting and was calling everyone "Punk", especially when worked up! Now how Aki got him worked up is fodder for ana day:-) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!!
How is this useless? It has been contributed to the OpenStack Project (http://openstack.org/). Is that not "in the spirit of Open Source"? ~gms
Great, thanks for the link though it means nothing. I'm not even going to bother opening it, it'll be the usual open source story but point being that NASA have actually made it into something. So while it is an important step forward, for the rest of the world that is sleep and also have all the access to open source its is useless open source propoganda. Let us define open source ( not from a licensing point ): To the rest of the dummy world, this is freeware but they still do not know what to do with it. HTHs. On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 7:10 AM, Glenn Sequeira <gsequeira@gmail.com> wrote:
How is this useless? It has been contributed to the OpenStack Project ( http://openstack.org/). Is that not "in the spirit of Open Source"?
~gms
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 9:04 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Great, thanks for the link though it means nothing. I'm not even going to bother opening it, it'll be the usual open source story but point being that NASA have actually made it into something. So while it is an important step forward, for the rest of the world that is sleep and also have all the access to open source its is useless open source propoganda.
Umm... if you bothered to open the link you would find out that the project has contributions from NASA, Rackspace, Opscode and several other companies including Microsoft (http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2010/oct10/10-22openstackpr.mspx) who have interests in cloud computing... As far as I know this is the norm with open source projectss
Let us define open source ( not from a licensing point ): To the rest of the dummy world, this is freeware but they still do not know what to do with it.
Open Source has already been defined. Read "The Cathedral and the Bazzar" (http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/) and "The Art of UNIX Programming" (http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/taoup/html/) for more enlightenment. Maybe the world needs "Aki Sause" with you as the Benevolent Dictator championing your useful "Aki Sause" projects :-) ~gms
Gentlemen, I'm very glad to have got you fired up on your "holy" open source beliefs and I see that there are still people with a passion. Now we are talking... :-) Let me quickly get to the point of Open Source : According to the definition and true to the custom as defined in various places. "A main principle and practice of open source software development is peer production by bartering and collaboration, with the end-product, source-material, "blueprints" and documentation available at no cost to the public." My dear friends. Besides Ken Kasina, how many of you have contribute a single line of code towards your passion? Please let us list these names and close the myth that kenyan developers are just but simple end users of the open source world in the name of freeware. Me thots and no name calling or insults please. :-)
Freeware is not necessarily Opensource. Most coders I know haven't contributed a single line of code to Open source...mostly because they survive on every line of code they do write. http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/11/05/making-our-world-more-respectful/ "I am getting a little tired of the bickering in Open Source. Don’t get me wrong, I love full, frank and colorful discourse and debate, and I believe that innovation thrives on the exchange of ideas and different perspectives. Unfortunately, it seems that respectful debate and discussion has been increasingly replaced with rudeness, abrupt perspectives that are ill-researched, and the kind of behavior that people may exhibit online but would never exhibit if the same conversation happened in real life. To be clear: this is not about people who disagree with me or the projects I am associated with, there are many people who offer disagreements and alternative perspectives politely, constructively and are willing to engage in a discussion — this concern instead reflects those who are more interested in angry rhetoric rather that constructive, informed debate." On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 10:22 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Gentlemen, I'm very glad to have got you fired up on your "holy" open source beliefs and I see that there are still people with a passion. Now we are talking... :-)
Let me quickly get to the point of Open Source : According to the definition and true to the custom as defined in various places.
"A main principle and practice of open source software development is peer production by bartering and collaboration, with the end-product, source-material, "blueprints" and documentation available at no cost to the public."
My dear friends. Besides Ken Kasina, how many of you have contribute a single line of code towards your passion? Please let us list these names and close the myth that kenyan developers are just but simple end users of the open source world in the name of freeware.
Me thots and no name calling or insults please. :-)
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On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 10:22 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Let me quickly get to the point of Open Source : According to the definition and true to the custom as defined in various places.
"A main principle and practice of open source software development is peer production by bartering and collaboration, with the end-product, source-material, "blueprints" and documentation available at no cost to the public."
My dear friends. Besides Ken Kasina, how many of you have contribute a single line of code towards your passion? Please let us list these names and close the myth that kenyan developers are just but simple end users of the open source world in the name of freeware.
Based on the definition of Open Source, why do you limit the contribution of developers in Kenya to Open Source projects to source code only? Unless you define development as writing code, you may want to also consider documentation, testing, evangelism etc. ~gms
@aki Im not quite sure where you are heading to or coming from all I can see is but a torrent of "can you do this, have you done that". In all honesty, to ask a question for the purpose of getting an answer is one thing, to pose a scenario for the purpose of getting reaction then ask a question is another thing all together both of which are different in all aspects and will have different reactions from different people. If you could remove the spec in your eye then remove the log in mine, i'd gladly appreciate that. Open source community is not about who has done what where how et al rather contribute where you can [the swahili say "tenda wena nenda zako" loosely translated "do good go your way"]. The case where you point out Ken as being the "only" contributer to the open source "world" is what i will humbly call beauty which only makes sense in the eyes of the beholder. From you grand opening statement it looks like you dont believe in open source rather you dont even use it, no offense but even saying what i have done or contributed to will not change your mind about open source or your line of thinking and i believe there are other "Kens" who do their thing without having to put out billboards saying what they last did. Appreciate kenyans and their capacity to use open source as well as silently contribute to the various open source project communities they ascribe to, then next time you could ask a direct question and get direct simple answers.
@Glenn, @Nd'wex. Am in a kind of rush. Gentlemen, I think let's narrow this down. As passionate people of technology in your area of open source, what have you done or created to have made the source code and its applications of your projects more different to what you found or downloaded. When you changed the code aspects that made it more functional or adaptive, was this contribution made available to some library or repository? Kindly note that helpdesk support is being done by many many open source users out there. Thus, most can google the problems.
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 11:24 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Glenn, @Nd'wex. Am in a kind of rush. Gentlemen, I think let's narrow this down. As passionate people of technology in your area of open source, what have you done or created to have made the source code and its applications of your projects more different to what you found or downloaded. When you changed the code aspects that made it more functional or adaptive, was this contribution made available to some library or repository? Kindly note that helpdesk support is being done by many many open source users out there. Thus, most can google the problems.
I'd like to reiterate that contribution to an open source project is not limited to writing code: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/contributing/index.html (I hope you bother to open this link). ~gms
On that note where are there any companies that run on an Opensource software business model i.e. the produced software is open source? On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Glenn Sequeira <gsequeira@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 11:24 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Glenn, @Nd'wex. Am in a kind of rush. Gentlemen, I think let's narrow this down. As passionate people of technology in your area of open source, what have you done or created to have made the source code and its applications of your projects more different to what you found or downloaded. When you changed the code aspects that made it more functional or adaptive, was this contribution made available to some library or repository? Kindly note that helpdesk support is being done by many many open source users out there. Thus, most can google the problems.
I'd like to reiterate that contribution to an open source project is not limited to writing code: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/contributing/index.html (I hope you bother to open this link).
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There is a company called open world IT that develops opensource solutions . . On 11/5/10, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
On that note where are there any companies that run on an Opensource software business model i.e. the produced software is open source?
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Glenn Sequeira <gsequeira@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 11:24 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Glenn, @Nd'wex. Am in a kind of rush. Gentlemen, I think let's narrow this down. As passionate people of technology in your area of open source, what have you done or created to have made the source code and its applications of your projects more different to what you found or downloaded. When you changed the code aspects that made it more functional or adaptive, was this contribution made available to some library or repository? Kindly note that helpdesk support is being done by many many open source users out there. Thus, most can google the problems.
I'd like to reiterate that contribution to an open source project is not limited to writing code: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/contributing/index.html (I hope you bother to open this link).
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And customers get the source code? On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
There is a company called open world IT that develops opensource solutions . .
On 11/5/10, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
On that note where are there any companies that run on an Opensource software business model i.e. the produced software is open source?
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Glenn Sequeira <gsequeira@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 11:24 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Glenn, @Nd'wex. Am in a kind of rush. Gentlemen, I think let's narrow this down. As passionate people of technology in your area of open source, what have you done or created to have made the source code and its applications of your projects more different to what you found or downloaded. When you changed the code aspects that made it more functional or adaptive, was this contribution made available to some library or repository? Kindly note that helpdesk support is being done by many many open source users out there. Thus, most can google the problems.
I'd like to reiterate that contribution to an open source project is not limited to writing code: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/contributing/index.html (I hope you bother to open this link).
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Why all the animosity? instead of trying to worry about what we have not done, i propose an Open Source project. Anyone interested? best,* person employed to guard buildings or property* On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
And customers get the source code?
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
There is a company called open world IT that develops opensource solutions . .
On 11/5/10, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
On that note where are there any companies that run on an Opensource software business model i.e. the produced software is open source?
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Glenn Sequeira <gsequeira@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 11:24 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Glenn, @Nd'wex. Am in a kind of rush. Gentlemen, I think let's narrow this down. As passionate people of technology in your area of open source, what have you done or created to have made the source code and its applications of your projects more different to what you found or downloaded. When you changed the code aspects that made it more functional or adaptive, was this contribution made available to some library or repository? Kindly note that helpdesk support is being done by many many open source users out there. Thus, most can google the problems.
I'd like to reiterate that contribution to an open source project is not limited to writing code: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/contributing/index.html (I hope you bother to open this link).
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I'm interested. What's the project? On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 5:27 PM, Watchman <skunkingrahim@gmail.com> wrote:
Why all the animosity? instead of trying to worry about what we have not done, i propose an Open Source project. Anyone interested?
best,*
person employed to guard buildings or property*
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
And customers get the source code?
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
There is a company called open world IT that develops opensource solutions . .
On 11/5/10, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
On that note where are there any companies that run on an Opensource software business model i.e. the produced software is open source?
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Glenn Sequeira <gsequeira@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 11:24 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Glenn, @Nd'wex. Am in a kind of rush. Gentlemen, I think let's narrow this down. As passionate people of technology in your area of open source, what have you done or created to have made the source code and its applications of your projects more different to what you found or downloaded. When you changed the code aspects that made it more functional or adaptive, was this contribution made available to some library or repository? Kindly note that helpdesk support is being done by many many open source users out there. Thus, most can google the problems.
I'd like to reiterate that contribution to an open source project is not limited to writing code: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/contributing/index.html (I hope you bother to open this link).
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@rad am not too sure about that but isn't that the norm even with closed source? On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
And customers get the source code?
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
There is a company called open world IT that develops opensource solutions . .
On 11/5/10, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
On that note where are there any companies that run on an Opensource software business model i.e. the produced software is open source?
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Glenn Sequeira <gsequeira@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 11:24 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Glenn, @Nd'wex. Am in a kind of rush. Gentlemen, I think let's narrow this down. As passionate people of technology in your area of open source, what have you done or created to have made the source code and its applications of your projects more different to what you found or downloaded. When you changed the code aspects that made it more functional or adaptive, was this contribution made available to some library or repository? Kindly note that helpdesk support is being done by many many open source users out there. Thus, most can google the problems.
I'd like to reiterate that contribution to an open source project is not limited to writing code: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/contributing/index.html (I hope you bother to open this link).
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Coming into this late (but wishing to pass a point across), here is what i think @aki youre missing about the spirit of open source. 1: Some think of the code. 2: Some design, write the code. 3: Some design some fancy logos. 4: Some handle the web host where the code is hosted. 5: Some pay for any of this. 6: Some Download the code and install on their machines. 7: Some use that code from (6) above and never get back at 1, 2 & 3. 8: some get back to these guys. 9: some set up a system for (8) to get back to (1,2 or 3). 10: Some volunteer to organize this (9) in a way that (1,2and3) can understand. 11: Some cant understand (1 -10). 12: So some who can, for the sake of (11) using (9) tell (1,2 and 3) that 11 cant understand. 13: so 1,2 and 3 modify the code so that it can be translated. 14: some who understand 1-10 and 11 use 13 to make 11 unserstand.. ... ... Nth: and we call all this open source. Mister AKI a.k.a (with all pun intended) P.U.N.K, looks like youve been PNKD! On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
@rad am not too sure about that but isn't that the norm even with closed source?
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
And customers get the source code?
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
There is a company called open world IT that develops opensource solutions . .
On 11/5/10, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
On that note where are there any companies that run on an Opensource software business model i.e. the produced software is open source?
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Glenn Sequeira <gsequeira@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 11:24 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Glenn, @Nd'wex. Am in a kind of rush. Gentlemen, I think let's narrow this down. As passionate people of technology in your area of open source, what have you done or created to have made the source code and its applications of your projects more different to what you found or downloaded. When you changed the code aspects that made it more functional or adaptive, was this contribution made available to some library or repository? Kindly note that helpdesk support is being done by many many open source users out there. Thus, most can google the problems.
I'd like to reiterate that contribution to an open source project is not limited to writing code: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/contributing/index.html (I hope you bother to open this link).
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Hehehe @Brainiac ,defender of the open source world. I wonder who has been punked when they have to break the bad news to clients that they have justed been punked commercially on MySql, I wonder how many bush fires will need to be put out in the name liabilites. I've just been having a thot of the dangerious traps that await such dependencies. The spirit of open source lives on, until the money runs outs. Just a question, is it possible to develop a local database? Not sure if this is low level or high level programming.....maybe something for the local open source community to look into? Cheers. On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:24 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
Coming into this late (but wishing to pass a point across), here is what i think @aki youre missing about the spirit of open source.
1: Some think of the code. 2: Some design, write the code. 3: Some design some fancy logos. 4: Some handle the web host where the code is hosted. 5: Some pay for any of this. 6: Some Download the code and install on their machines. 7: Some use that code from (6) above and never get back at 1, 2 & 3. 8: some get back to these guys. 9: some set up a system for (8) to get back to (1,2 or 3). 10: Some volunteer to organize this (9) in a way that (1,2and3) can understand. 11: Some cant understand (1 -10). 12: So some who can, for the sake of (11) using (9) tell (1,2 and 3) that 11 cant understand. 13: so 1,2 and 3 modify the code so that it can be translated. 14: some who understand 1-10 and 11 use 13 to make 11 unserstand.. ... ... Nth: and we call all this open source.
Mister AKI a.k.a (with all pun intended) P.U.N.K, looks like youve been PNKD!
If it is possible, why shouldnt we do it? POSG is a brilliantly working DB platform. I'd like to implement a lot more. Let's GET LOCAL! On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 10:55 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Hehehe @Brainiac ,defender of the open source world. I wonder who has been punked when they have to break the bad news to clients that they have justed been punked commercially on MySql, I wonder how many bush fires will need to be put out in the name liabilites. I've just been having a thot of the dangerious traps that await such dependencies. The spirit of open source lives on, until the money runs outs. Just a question, is it possible to develop a local database? Not sure if this is low level or high level programming.....maybe something for the local open source community to look into?
Cheers.
On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:24 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
Coming into this late (but wishing to pass a point across), here is what i think @aki youre missing about the spirit of open source.
1: Some think of the code. 2: Some design, write the code. 3: Some design some fancy logos. 4: Some handle the web host where the code is hosted. 5: Some pay for any of this. 6: Some Download the code and install on their machines. 7: Some use that code from (6) above and never get back at 1, 2 & 3. 8: some get back to these guys. 9: some set up a system for (8) to get back to (1,2 or 3). 10: Some volunteer to organize this (9) in a way that (1,2and3) can understand. 11: Some cant understand (1 -10). 12: So some who can, for the sake of (11) using (9) tell (1,2 and 3) that 11 cant understand. 13: so 1,2 and 3 modify the code so that it can be translated. 14: some who understand 1-10 and 11 use 13 to make 11 unserstand.. ... ... Nth: and we call all this open source.
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I agree @rahim, and well talk about this when we meet later in the afternoon. @aki, true, some commercial entities , feeling threatened (read oracle) try to get into the mix by buying out some open source platform and trying to spoil it for all of us, but guess what... many open source developments include porting to a database independent state, meaning that in the current testing phase of wordpress, drupal and joomla, can run on mysql, postgres or even flat files. On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 1:03 AM, Watchman <skunkingrahim@gmail.com> wrote:
If it is possible, why shouldnt we do it? POSG is a brilliantly working DB platform. I'd like to implement a lot more. Let's GET LOCAL!
On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 10:55 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Hehehe @Brainiac ,defender of the open source world. I wonder who has been punked when they have to break the bad news to clients that they have justed been punked commercially on MySql, I wonder how many bush fires will need to be put out in the name liabilites. I've just been having a thot of the dangerious traps that await such dependencies. The spirit of open source lives on, until the money runs outs. Just a question, is it possible to develop a local database? Not sure if this is low level or high level programming.....maybe something for the local open source community to look into?
Cheers.
On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:24 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
Coming into this late (but wishing to pass a point across), here is what i think @aki youre missing about the spirit of open source.
1: Some think of the code. 2: Some design, write the code. 3: Some design some fancy logos. 4: Some handle the web host where the code is hosted. 5: Some pay for any of this. 6: Some Download the code and install on their machines. 7: Some use that code from (6) above and never get back at 1, 2 & 3. 8: some get back to these guys. 9: some set up a system for (8) to get back to (1,2 or 3). 10: Some volunteer to organize this (9) in a way that (1,2and3) can understand. 11: Some cant understand (1 -10). 12: So some who can, for the sake of (11) using (9) tell (1,2 and 3) that 11 cant understand. 13: so 1,2 and 3 modify the code so that it can be translated. 14: some who understand 1-10 and 11 use 13 to make 11 unserstand.. ... ... Nth: and we call all this open source.
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Very aptly put. But the question arises - does Kenya actively contribute in all these avenues to the production of open source software? There is no doubt that we are overwhelming consumers, but are we contributors? On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:24 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
Coming into this late (but wishing to pass a point across), here is what i think @aki youre missing about the spirit of open source.
1: Some think of the code. 2: Some design, write the code. 3: Some design some fancy logos. 4: Some handle the web host where the code is hosted. 5: Some pay for any of this. 6: Some Download the code and install on their machines. 7: Some use that code from (6) above and never get back at 1, 2 & 3. 8: some get back to these guys. 9: some set up a system for (8) to get back to (1,2 or 3). 10: Some volunteer to organize this (9) in a way that (1,2and3) can understand. 11: Some cant understand (1 -10). 12: So some who can, for the sake of (11) using (9) tell (1,2 and 3) that 11 cant understand. 13: so 1,2 and 3 modify the code so that it can be translated. 14: some who understand 1-10 and 11 use 13 to make 11 unserstand.. ... ... Nth: and we call all this open source.
Mister AKI a.k.a (with all pun intended) P.U.N.K, looks like youve been PNKD!
On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
@rad am not too sure about that but isn't that the norm even with closed source?
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
And customers get the source code?
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
There is a company called open world IT that develops opensource solutions . .
On 11/5/10, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
On that note where are there any companies that run on an Opensource software business model i.e. the produced software is open source?
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Glenn Sequeira <gsequeira@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 11:24 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote: > @Glenn, @Nd'wex. Am in a kind of rush. Gentlemen, I think let's narrow this > down. As passionate people of technology in your area of open source, what > have you done or created to have made the source code and its applications > of your projects more different to what you found or downloaded. When > you > changed the code aspects that made it more functional or adaptive, was this > contribution made available to some library or repository? Kindly note > that helpdesk support is being done by many many open source users out > there. Thus, most can google the problems.
I'd like to reiterate that contribution to an open source project is not limited to writing code: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/contributing/index.html (I hope you bother to open this link).
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I wrote a post a while back about the number of developers per capita compared to the west, im convinced it has a direct corelation to how involved guys can be in projects that many would call recreational. there is always an odd one here working on KDE, an odd one there working on a Cyber timer, yet another doing some contribution to Drupal. Personally i know two guys deeply involved in Joomla core in my village:-) the question though is: does production (1,2 and3) make you more a contributor to open source than documentation for instance? you only need to check sourceforge for the many projects with code but only one user / developer / documentation expert..... On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Very aptly put. But the question arises - does Kenya actively contribute in all these avenues to the production of open source software? There is no doubt that we are overwhelming consumers, but are we contributors?
On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:24 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
Coming into this late (but wishing to pass a point across), here is what i think @aki youre missing about the spirit of open source.
1: Some think of the code. 2: Some design, write the code. 3: Some design some fancy logos. 4: Some handle the web host where the code is hosted. 5: Some pay for any of this. 6: Some Download the code and install on their machines. 7: Some use that code from (6) above and never get back at 1, 2 & 3. 8: some get back to these guys. 9: some set up a system for (8) to get back to (1,2 or 3). 10: Some volunteer to organize this (9) in a way that (1,2and3) can understand. 11: Some cant understand (1 -10). 12: So some who can, for the sake of (11) using (9) tell (1,2 and 3) that 11 cant understand. 13: so 1,2 and 3 modify the code so that it can be translated. 14: some who understand 1-10 and 11 use 13 to make 11 unserstand.. ... ... Nth: and we call all this open source.
Mister AKI a.k.a (with all pun intended) P.U.N.K, looks like youve been PNKD!
On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
@rad am not too sure about that but isn't that the norm even with closed source?
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
And customers get the source code?
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
There is a company called open world IT that develops opensource solutions . .
On 11/5/10, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
On that note where are there any companies that run on an Opensource software business model i.e. the produced software is open source?
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Glenn Sequeira <gsequeira@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 11:24 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote: > > @Glenn, @Nd'wex. Am in a kind of rush. Gentlemen, I think let's narrow > this > > down. As passionate people of technology in your area of open source, > what > > have you done or created to have made the source code and its > applications > > of your projects more different to what you found or downloaded. When > > you > > changed the code aspects that made it more functional or adaptive, was > this > > contribution made available to some library or repository? Kindly note > > that helpdesk support is being done by many many open source users out > > there. Thus, most can google the problems. > > I'd like to reiterate that contribution to an open source project is > not limited to writing code: > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/contributing/index.html (I hope > you bother to open this link). > > ~gms > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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Speaking of which, know of any Kenyan open source projects? Other than Ushahidi? On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 9:45 AM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
I wrote a post a while back about the number of developers per capita compared to the west, im convinced it has a direct corelation to how involved guys can be in projects that many would call recreational. there is always an odd one here working on KDE, an odd one there working on a Cyber timer, yet another doing some contribution to Drupal. Personally i know two guys deeply involved in Joomla core in my village:-)
the question though is:
does production (1,2 and3) make you more a contributor to open source than documentation for instance? you only need to check sourceforge for the many projects with code but only one user / developer / documentation expert.....
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Very aptly put. But the question arises - does Kenya actively contribute in all these avenues to the production of open source software? There is no doubt that we are overwhelming consumers, but are we contributors?
On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:24 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
Coming into this late (but wishing to pass a point across), here is what i think @aki youre missing about the spirit of open source.
1: Some think of the code. 2: Some design, write the code. 3: Some design some fancy logos. 4: Some handle the web host where the code is hosted. 5: Some pay for any of this. 6: Some Download the code and install on their machines. 7: Some use that code from (6) above and never get back at 1, 2 & 3. 8: some get back to these guys. 9: some set up a system for (8) to get back to (1,2 or 3). 10: Some volunteer to organize this (9) in a way that (1,2and3) can understand. 11: Some cant understand (1 -10). 12: So some who can, for the sake of (11) using (9) tell (1,2 and 3) that 11 cant understand. 13: so 1,2 and 3 modify the code so that it can be translated. 14: some who understand 1-10 and 11 use 13 to make 11 unserstand.. ... ... Nth: and we call all this open source.
Mister AKI a.k.a (with all pun intended) P.U.N.K, looks like youve been PNKD!
On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
@rad am not too sure about that but isn't that the norm even with closed source?
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
And customers get the source code?
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
There is a company called open world IT that develops opensource solutions . .
On 11/5/10, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote: > On that note where are there any companies that run on an Opensource > software business model i.e. the produced software is open source? > > On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Glenn Sequeira < gsequeira@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 11:24 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote: >> > @Glenn, @Nd'wex. Am in a kind of rush. Gentlemen, I think let's narrow >> this >> > down. As passionate people of technology in your area of open source, >> what >> > have you done or created to have made the source code and its >> applications >> > of your projects more different to what you found or downloaded. When >> > you >> > changed the code aspects that made it more functional or adaptive, was >> this >> > contribution made available to some library or repository? Kindly note >> > that helpdesk support is being done by many many open source users out >> > there. Thus, most can google the problems. >> >> I'd like to reiterate that contribution to an open source project is >> not limited to writing code: >> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/contributing/index.html (I hope >> you bother to open this link). >> >> ~gms >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> >
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Personally i think every part of the cycle is critical, especially the documentation. And you forgot to include in your list an even more critical part - the guys who test. The problem is from my experience the software industry as a whole in Kenya is dominated by developers. Guys who specialize in analysis & design, documentation, testing & quality assurance are much fewer. Ergo it follows that a larger percentage of OSS contribution would be programming. On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 9:45 AM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
I wrote a post a while back about the number of developers per capita compared to the west, im convinced it has a direct corelation to how involved guys can be in projects that many would call recreational. there is always an odd one here working on KDE, an odd one there working on a Cyber timer, yet another doing some contribution to Drupal. Personally i know two guys deeply involved in Joomla core in my village:-)
the question though is:
does production (1,2 and3) make you more a contributor to open source than documentation for instance? you only need to check sourceforge for the many projects with code but only one user / developer / documentation expert.....
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Very aptly put. But the question arises - does Kenya actively contribute in all these avenues to the production of open source software? There is no doubt that we are overwhelming consumers, but are we contributors?
On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:24 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
Coming into this late (but wishing to pass a point across), here is what i think @aki youre missing about the spirit of open source.
1: Some think of the code. 2: Some design, write the code. 3: Some design some fancy logos. 4: Some handle the web host where the code is hosted. 5: Some pay for any of this. 6: Some Download the code and install on their machines. 7: Some use that code from (6) above and never get back at 1, 2 & 3. 8: some get back to these guys. 9: some set up a system for (8) to get back to (1,2 or 3). 10: Some volunteer to organize this (9) in a way that (1,2and3) can understand. 11: Some cant understand (1 -10). 12: So some who can, for the sake of (11) using (9) tell (1,2 and 3) that 11 cant understand. 13: so 1,2 and 3 modify the code so that it can be translated. 14: some who understand 1-10 and 11 use 13 to make 11 unserstand.. ... ... Nth: and we call all this open source.
Mister AKI a.k.a (with all pun intended) P.U.N.K, looks like youve been PNKD!
On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
@rad am not too sure about that but isn't that the norm even with closed source?
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
And customers get the source code?
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
There is a company called open world IT that develops opensource solutions . .
On 11/5/10, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote: > On that note where are there any companies that run on an Opensource > software business model i.e. the produced software is open source? > > On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Glenn Sequeira < gsequeira@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 11:24 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote: >> > @Glenn, @Nd'wex. Am in a kind of rush. Gentlemen, I think let's narrow >> this >> > down. As passionate people of technology in your area of open source, >> what >> > have you done or created to have made the source code and its >> applications >> > of your projects more different to what you found or downloaded. When >> > you >> > changed the code aspects that made it more functional or adaptive, was >> this >> > contribution made available to some library or repository? Kindly note >> > that helpdesk support is being done by many many open source users out >> > there. Thus, most can google the problems. >> >> I'd like to reiterate that contribution to an open source project is >> not limited to writing code: >> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/contributing/index.html (I hope >> you bother to open this link). >> >> ~gms >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> >
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It starts with consumption. Then goes on to dissatisfaction then goes to contribution. I believe that so far, open source stuff has been adequate for kenyan needs and thus not needed any tweaking from Kenyan users point of view. If anyone feels otherwise about this, tell us about it, when you ever felt, wow, this code needs tweaking (Except Aki, I know you have many problems, I think you are stuck to windows or mac) We dont need to do stuff that has already been done just to stamp our name on it. Remember one of the open source mottos was to avoid repeatation. That is why most of opensource software has a client-sever structure. That is why there is only one official g** suite of compilers. So that whatever client or IDE you put on the comp, it always compiles with g** suite. The issue about this was, instead of coding afresh, help improve what is already there. You also have to look into the human needs, primary, secondary, e.t.c. Check this out http://worldofthoughts.com/index.php?topic=30.0 Now before we reach self-actualization, where we want to contribute, we must have fulfilled the need for food and shelter e.t.c. Until the day we have enough food on the table, don't expect contributions to open source, unless they contribute to our food on the table. Now dont think I just want to have benefits before I can contribute, am just saying from a practical point of view, don't expect me to give out stuff that doesn't give me food, if I don't already have food. Most developers here don't earn enough to have hobbies, they are always busy 24/7 trying to make ends meet. That is what am saying. On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Very aptly put. But the question arises - does Kenya actively contribute in all these avenues to the production of open source software? There is no doubt that we are overwhelming consumers, but are we contributors?
On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:24 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
Coming into this late (but wishing to pass a point across), here is what i think @aki youre missing about the spirit of open source.
1: Some think of the code. 2: Some design, write the code. 3: Some design some fancy logos. 4: Some handle the web host where the code is hosted. 5: Some pay for any of this. 6: Some Download the code and install on their machines. 7: Some use that code from (6) above and never get back at 1, 2 & 3. 8: some get back to these guys. 9: some set up a system for (8) to get back to (1,2 or 3). 10: Some volunteer to organize this (9) in a way that (1,2and3) can understand. 11: Some cant understand (1 -10). 12: So some who can, for the sake of (11) using (9) tell (1,2 and 3) that 11 cant understand. 13: so 1,2 and 3 modify the code so that it can be translated. 14: some who understand 1-10 and 11 use 13 to make 11 unserstand.. ... ... Nth: and we call all this open source.
Mister AKI a.k.a (with all pun intended) P.U.N.K, looks like youve been PNKD!
On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
@rad am not too sure about that but isn't that the norm even with closed source?
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
And customers get the source code?
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
There is a company called open world IT that develops opensource solutions . .
On 11/5/10, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
On that note where are there any companies that run on an Opensource software business model i.e. the produced software is open source?
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Glenn Sequeira <gsequeira@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 11:24 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote: > > @Glenn, @Nd'wex. Am in a kind of rush. Gentlemen, I think let's narrow > this > > down. As passionate people of technology in your area of open source, > what > > have you done or created to have made the source code and its > applications > > of your projects more different to what you found or downloaded. When > > you > > changed the code aspects that made it more functional or adaptive, was > this > > contribution made available to some library or repository? Kindly note > > that helpdesk support is being done by many many open source users out > > there. Thus, most can google the problems. > > I'd like to reiterate that contribution to an open source project is > not limited to writing code: > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/contributing/index.html (I hope > you bother to open this link). > > ~gms > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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@Frankline, some thots below. :-) On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Frankline Chitwa <frank.chitwa@gmail.com>wrote:
Most developers here don't earn enough to have hobbies, they are always busy 24/7 trying to make ends meet. That is what am saying.
The grass always seems greener on the other side? I don't think only KE devs are trying to make ends meet. Everyone I know in every industry or career also in the same situation and rising costs of living also do not help. I think the grass is greener on your side because you do not need to invest any hard cash or monetary investments, assets, overheads. Maybe you guys should borrow from the banks or such and work on 4-7% profitability and numbers, then we would be talking a different line altogether where you have to work the real 24/7 to survive.
Everyone I know in every industry or career also in the same situation and rising costs of living also do not help.
Well ive never had of opensource in any other industry :-) I think the grass is greener on your side because you do not need to invest
any hard cash or monetary investments, assets, overheads.
You are very wrong on that point my friend. How can you even think that people like me have no costs? You are stuck in a very wrong mind set. I mean how did you even come up with that? Infact I demand an apology from you! One other point, microfost and proprietary software has been "free" in this KE for a long time. People use these applications without licence restrictions. The education sector is channeled to proprietary certificates, even Uni courses have started being taught using C# and not open standards stuff like C and C++. Now one thing I have to say, and microsoft knows this, and other proprietary vendors know this, the moment they try to make africans buy their software that is the day Africa will turn open source. So they are bidding their time hoping that people will be addicted to proprietary through education and daily use enough to continue using $$ software upon pricing. Not gonna happen. On the day The moment the well established piracy sector is cornered with Redmond licensces etc, then you will see major open source contributions here. All in all, other than what youve tried to state above I believe that you see my point. In kenya we are at the open source consumption point. Its only by using software will people appreciate developing it. We will be contributing in the near future. On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 10:58 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Frankline, some thots below. :-)
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Frankline Chitwa <frank.chitwa@gmail.com>wrote:
Most developers here don't earn enough to have hobbies, they are always busy 24/7 trying to make ends meet. That is what am saying.
The grass always seems greener on the other side? I don't think only KE devs are trying to make ends meet. Everyone I know in every industry or career also in the same situation and rising costs of living also do not help. I think the grass is greener on your side because you do not need to invest any hard cash or monetary investments, assets, overheads. Maybe you guys should borrow from the banks or such and work on 4-7% profitability and numbers, then we would be talking a different line altogether where you have to work the real 24/7 to survive.
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@Frankline, my friend. I knew this thread was not going to an easy one with passions flying high and maybe some mud-slinging too and I hope we all in some small or big way will try and do something to change KE into a dev enviroment. I'm very glad to read your words below. Asante. On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Frankline Chitwa <frank.chitwa@gmail.com>wrote:
All in all, other than what youve tried to state above I believe that you see my point. In kenya we are at the open source consumption point. Its only by using software will people appreciate developing it.
We will be contributing in the near future.
C# my friend is an open standard, maintained by ECMA http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-334.htm But that withstanding I do not support universities teaching such high level languages (Java, C#) without going into sufficient depth the lower level ones, C and Pascal in particular. On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Frankline Chitwa <frank.chitwa@gmail.com>wrote:
Everyone I know in every industry or career also in the same situation and
rising costs of living also do not help.
Well ive never had of opensource in any other industry :-)
I think the grass is greener on your side because you do not need to invest
any hard cash or monetary investments, assets, overheads.
You are very wrong on that point my friend. How can you even think that people like me have no costs? You are stuck in a very wrong mind set. I mean how did you even come up with that? Infact I demand an apology from you!
One other point, microfost and proprietary software has been "free" in this KE for a long time. People use these applications without licence restrictions. The education sector is channeled to proprietary certificates, even Uni courses have started being taught using C# and not open standards stuff like C and C++.
Now one thing I have to say, and microsoft knows this, and other proprietary vendors know this, the moment they try to make africans buy their software that is the day Africa will turn open source. So they are bidding their time hoping that people will be addicted to proprietary through education and daily use enough to continue using $$ software upon pricing. Not gonna happen. On the day The moment the well established piracy sector is cornered with Redmond licensces etc, then you will see major open source contributions here.
All in all, other than what youve tried to state above I believe that you see my point. In kenya we are at the open source consumption point. Its only by using software will people appreciate developing it.
We will be contributing in the near future.
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 10:58 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Frankline, some thots below. :-)
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Frankline Chitwa <frank.chitwa@gmail.com>wrote:
Most developers here don't earn enough to have hobbies, they are always busy 24/7 trying to make ends meet. That is what am saying.
The grass always seems greener on the other side? I don't think only KE devs are trying to make ends meet. Everyone I know in every industry or career also in the same situation and rising costs of living also do not help. I think the grass is greener on your side because you do not need to invest any hard cash or monetary investments, assets, overheads. Maybe you guys should borrow from the banks or such and work on 4-7% profitability and numbers, then we would be talking a different line altogether where you have to work the real 24/7 to survive.
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notwithstanding that this could turn ugly, i have a strong inclination to what Aki's on about. And yeah, i'm agreeing with him fully if he's saying that we need to start becoming a "Self Sustained" IT Country. @Aki are these your thoughts? Wa.. aaaa.. aaaa CHHOO man! On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
C# my friend is an open standard, maintained by ECMA
http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-334.htm
But that withstanding I do not support universities teaching such high level languages (Java, C#) without going into sufficient depth the lower level ones, C and Pascal in particular.
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Frankline Chitwa <frank.chitwa@gmail.com>wrote:
Everyone I know in every industry or career also in the same situation and
rising costs of living also do not help.
Well ive never had of opensource in any other industry :-)
I think the grass is greener on your side because you do not need to
invest any hard cash or monetary investments, assets, overheads.
You are very wrong on that point my friend. How can you even think that people like me have no costs? You are stuck in a very wrong mind set. I mean how did you even come up with that? Infact I demand an apology from you!
One other point, microfost and proprietary software has been "free" in this KE for a long time. People use these applications without licence restrictions. The education sector is channeled to proprietary certificates, even Uni courses have started being taught using C# and not open standards stuff like C and C++.
Now one thing I have to say, and microsoft knows this, and other proprietary vendors know this, the moment they try to make africans buy their software that is the day Africa will turn open source. So they are bidding their time hoping that people will be addicted to proprietary through education and daily use enough to continue using $$ software upon pricing. Not gonna happen. On the day The moment the well established piracy sector is cornered with Redmond licensces etc, then you will see major open source contributions here.
All in all, other than what youve tried to state above I believe that you see my point. In kenya we are at the open source consumption point. Its only by using software will people appreciate developing it.
We will be contributing in the near future.
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 10:58 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Frankline, some thots below. :-)
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Frankline Chitwa <frank.chitwa@gmail.com
wrote:
Most developers here don't earn enough to have hobbies, they are always busy 24/7 trying to make ends meet. That is what am saying.
The grass always seems greener on the other side? I don't think only KE devs are trying to make ends meet. Everyone I know in every industry or career also in the same situation and rising costs of living also do not help. I think the grass is greener on your side because you do not need to invest any hard cash or monetary investments, assets, overheads. Maybe you guys should borrow from the banks or such and work on 4-7% profitability and numbers, then we would be talking a different line altogether where you have to work the real 24/7 to survive.
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Fully agree with you on this one and my thots excatly. :-) On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Watchman <skunkingrahim@gmail.com> wrote:
notwithstanding that this could turn ugly, i have a strong inclination to what Aki's on about. And yeah, i'm agreeing with him fully if he's saying that we need to start becoming a "Self Sustained" IT Country.
@Aki are these your thoughts?
Wa.. aaaa.. aaaa CHHOO man!
Well, we are somewhere compared to 10 years ago. 10 years ago java was being developed in the developed countries, Kenya only had Africaonline and comps cost ksh 130,000. 10 years ago groups were developing PHP version 3, PNG format, e.t.c while "software" was a very funny word in Kenya (something to do with discrete wearables :-) ) However, on the point of "don't just stand there do something" Its very true, I have met some truly remarkable developers in Kenya, question is, how do we encourage opensource development more. One thing Ive noticed even with open source products in developed nations, most of these projects start out as theses. Linux and Google, being the largest of them all. I also have been to campo and the enthusiasm there for anything, paid or not is very high. Since we old dogs are looking for the next meal ticket, we can nurture the free and opinionated campus minds to start thinking radically, we can do this by organizing project workshops with campuses and giving them challenges to build or improve useful software that is currently in use(not just project proporsals), and helping them develop long term business models on the open source products they develop. Now for that I can participate. My 2 cents On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 5:59 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Fully agree with you on this one and my thots excatly. :-)
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Watchman <skunkingrahim@gmail.com> wrote:
notwithstanding that this could turn ugly, i have a strong inclination to what Aki's on about. And yeah, i'm agreeing with him fully if he's saying that we need to start becoming a "Self Sustained" IT Country.
@Aki are these your thoughts?
Wa.. aaaa.. aaaa CHHOO man!
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@Frankline, the main reason that I list project proposals is because I''m when I think if an application has potential and limitations on my dev platform, I always list in so that anyone on other platforms can build the project on their systems. The example of the SMS gateway was one, I know I cannot build it on proprietory because I'm not yet at low level coding but I also know it can be done on Open Source by other low level coders who are already ahead of me. I believe your idea below sounds very good and will create more developer awareness. To bring an example : I wish we could but we can never develop and export micro-processors and high tech stuff because we do not have the financial capacity to do so. We can only watch on TV things like jet propulsion, high tech innovations.However, on code we can have the biggest advantage that does not require investments in billions. Our minds. :-) Allow me to take take some time off and catchup with other things. Asante. :-) On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Frankline Chitwa <frank.chitwa@gmail.com>wrote:
Since we old dogs are looking for the next meal ticket, we can nurture the free and opinionated campus minds to start thinking radically, we can do this by organizing project workshops with campuses and giving them challenges to build or improve useful software that is currently in use(not just project proporsals), and helping them develop long term business models on the open source products they develop. Now for that I can participate.
My 2 cents
I wouldnt contribute towards a useless software...or a useless discussion about a useless software...or a....wait i just did... Damn. On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 8:43 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Frankline, the main reason that I list project proposals is because I''m when I think if an application has potential and limitations on my dev platform, I always list in so that anyone on other platforms can build the project on their systems. The example of the SMS gateway was one, I know I cannot build it on proprietory because I'm not yet at low level coding but I also know it can be done on Open Source by other low level coders who are already ahead of me. I believe your idea below sounds very good and will create more developer awareness.
To bring an example : I wish we could but we can never develop and export micro-processors and high tech stuff because we do not have the financial capacity to do so. We can only watch on TV things like jet propulsion, high tech innovations.However, on code we can have the biggest advantage that does not require investments in billions. Our minds. :-)
Allow me to take take some time off and catchup with other things.
Asante. :-)
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Frankline Chitwa <frank.chitwa@gmail.com>wrote:
Since we old dogs are looking for the next meal ticket, we can nurture the free and opinionated campus minds to start thinking radically, we can do this by organizing project workshops with campuses and giving them challenges to build or improve useful software that is currently in use(not just project proporsals), and helping them develop long term business models on the open source products they develop. Now for that I can participate.
My 2 cents
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Yes I know, the pedestrain atitude helps. :-) On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Dave Kirirah <dave.kirirah@gmail.com>wrote:
I wouldnt contribute towards a useless software...or a useless discussion about a useless software...or a....wait i just did... Damn.
Guys, we have software requirements in the country that no one addresses. I had a thread about a foundation, one of the things that was to be done was to come up with simple open source software to run our schools, in particular, I was thinking a fee payment tracking system and time table management system which can be synced to a cloud every now and then...Basically, simple, very simple apps, built with a Kenyan focus. This is something that has a need only that the people who need it know not to code for it... Who would be willing to participate in said project? BTW, I'm shooting an idea. Viable? -- With Regards, Phares Kariuki | T: +254 734 810 802 | E: pkariuki@gmail.com | Twitter: kaboro | Skype: kariukiphares | B: http://www.kaboro.com/ |
@Phares, seems we have a lot incommon on thinking about the cloud and some of your projects are similar too :-) Most of my web apps will be based on such, thus the network layer. Incase you do not find programmers to get your ideas going and you are fine using proprietory systems, then I think let us communicate within the next few months on this. I'll mail you the road map as soon as am good to go and if fits within your ideas, you are most welcome. Asante. On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
Guys, we have software requirements in the country that no one addresses. I had a thread about a foundation, one of the things that was to be done was to come up with simple open source software to run our schools, in particular, I was thinking a fee payment tracking system and time table management system which can be synced to a cloud every now and then...Basically, simple, very simple apps, built with a Kenyan focus. This is something that has a need only that the people who need it know not to code for it... Who would be willing to participate in said project? BTW, I'm shooting an idea. Viable?
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On 11/5/10, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
On that note where are there any companies that run on an Opensource software business model i.e. the produced software is open source?
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Glenn Sequeira <gsequeira@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 11:24 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Glenn, @Nd'wex. Am in a kind of rush. Gentlemen, I think let's narrow this down. As passionate people of technology in your area of open source, what have you done or created to have made the source code and its applications of your projects more different to what you found or downloaded. When you changed the code aspects that made it more functional or adaptive, was this contribution made available to some library or repository? Kindly note that helpdesk support is being done by many many open source users out there. Thus, most can google the problems.
I'd like to reiterate that contribution to an open source project is not limited to writing code: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/contributing/index.html (I hope you bother to open this link).
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I can almost bet my entire savings that all these Kenyans have never even acknowledged on any list that a certain fix for an opensource(which they install for clients and charge) has worked for them. If we cant code, debug or document at least we can contribute by acknowledging where a suggested solution has worked for us. PS: the closest I've come to being a developer/coder is hello world program over a decade ago with basica -----Original Message----- From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Glenn Sequeira Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 11:38 AM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Another useless open source project story, unless you are NASA. On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 11:24 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Glenn, @Nd'wex. Am in a kind of rush. Gentlemen, I think let's narrow this down. As passionate people of technology in your area of open source, what have you done or created to have made the source code and its applications of your projects more different to what you found or downloaded. When you changed the code aspects that made it more functional or adaptive, was this contribution made available to some library or repository? Kindly note that helpdesk support is being done by many many open source users out there. Thus, most can google the problems.
I'd like to reiterate that contribution to an open source project is not limited to writing code: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/contributing/index.html (I hope you bother to open this link). ~gms _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
@Tony I have contributed to various opensource forums. On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Tony Gacheru <tonygacheru@gmail.com> wrote:
I can almost bet my entire savings that all these Kenyans have never even acknowledged on any list that a certain fix for an opensource(which they install for clients and charge) has worked for them. If we cant code, debug or document at least we can contribute by acknowledging where a suggested solution has worked for us.
PS: the closest I've come to being a developer/coder is hello world program over a decade ago with basica
-----Original Message----- From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Glenn Sequeira Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 11:38 AM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Another useless open source project story, unless you are NASA.
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 11:24 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Glenn, @Nd'wex. Am in a kind of rush. Gentlemen, I think let's narrow this down. As passionate people of technology in your area of open source, what have you done or created to have made the source code and its applications of your projects more different to what you found or downloaded. When you changed the code aspects that made it more functional or adaptive, was this contribution made available to some library or repository? Kindly note that helpdesk support is being done by many many open source users out there. Thus, most can google the problems.
I'd like to reiterate that contribution to an open source project is not limited to writing code: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/contributing/index.html (I hope you bother to open this link).
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@Erick, what is the likely hood of a complete Open Source office suite package which is locally created and distributed? On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Erick Njenga <eriknjenga@gmail.com> wrote:
@Tony I have contributed to various opensource forums.
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Tony Gacheru <tonygacheru@gmail.com>wrote:
I can almost bet my entire savings that all these Kenyans have never even acknowledged on any list that a certain fix for an opensource(which they install for clients and charge) has worked for them. If we cant code, debug or document at least we can contribute by acknowledging where a suggested solution has worked for us.
PS: the closest I've come to being a developer/coder is hello world program over a decade ago with basica
-----Original Message----- From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Glenn Sequeira Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 11:38 AM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Another useless open source project story, unless you are NASA.
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 11:24 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Glenn, @Nd'wex. Am in a kind of rush. Gentlemen, I think let's narrow this down. As passionate people of technology in your area of open source, what have you done or created to have made the source code and its applications of your projects more different to what you found or downloaded. When you changed the code aspects that made it more functional or adaptive, was this contribution made available to some library or repository? Kindly note that helpdesk support is being done by many many open source users out there. Thus, most can google the problems.
I'd like to reiterate that contribution to an open source project is not limited to writing code: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/contributing/index.html (I hope you bother to open this link).
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@Rahim aka Watchi ( person employed to guard buildings or property ) :-)))) If I may suggest. What may work is to start with tackling the business sector so that whatever projects that you may go out on, you stand a commercial chance at some point in uptake. At the end of the day, software is a product therefore it will get treated as one i.e subject to stiff competition if you offer it or services commercially. Ask yourself what is so special about Sugar-CRM and the rest? For example, my target is purely the network layer that is ISPs, content providers, hosting providers and possibly telco market towards generating more local traffic at SOHO, SME level. Think systems, then build applications. Eg financial systems, reporting systems or whatever your fancy. Because projects are things that are not your main source of income, they are long term goals but need to get done. They will be a mix of free and commercial aspects. Whatever the market needs as a real necessity/dependency can be free eg a proper school management system ( inspiration drawn from open source ) and whatever the market needs as a value added service eg database query system are commercial. ( inspiration drawn from commercial systems ) My suggestion. On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Watchman <skunkingrahim@gmail.com> wrote:
@Erick, what is the likely hood of a complete Open Source office suite package which is locally created and distributed?
Great suggestion, will take it up with the team once there is one to start with. On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 4:34 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Rahim aka Watchi ( person employed to guard buildings or property ) :-))))
If I may suggest. What may work is to start with tackling the business sector so that whatever projects that you may go out on, you stand a commercial chance at some point in uptake. At the end of the day, software is a product therefore it will get treated as one i.e subject to stiff competition if you offer it or services commercially. Ask yourself what is so special about Sugar-CRM and the rest?
For example, my target is purely the network layer that is ISPs, content providers, hosting providers and possibly telco market towards generating more local traffic at SOHO, SME level. Think systems, then build applications. Eg financial systems, reporting systems or whatever your fancy. Because projects are things that are not your main source of income, they are long term goals but need to get done. They will be a mix of free and commercial aspects. Whatever the market needs as a real necessity/dependency can be free eg a proper school management system ( inspiration drawn from open source ) and whatever the market needs as a value added service eg database query system are commercial. ( inspiration drawn from commercial systems )
My suggestion.
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Watchman <skunkingrahim@gmail.com> wrote:
@Erick, what is the likely hood of a complete Open Source office suite package which is locally created and distributed?
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On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:57 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, if your are NASA than you know what you are doing. Showing the Wannabe world how things get done.... policy-compliant software-as-a-service applications. NASA has spent more than $10 million on the project, but it will be another year before the return is clear
http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/nasa-takes-cloud-computing-mars?t...
clearly there is plenty of useless/bad open source software just as there is plenty of useless/bad commercial software. this is the law of averages ratio reflected across everything, not just software : bad drivers :: good drivers stupid people :: intelligent people there is nothing new here. regarding the above software -- its still a relatively new project -- we dont know as yet if its useless as open source or something useful. what exactly is your point ?
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