notwithstanding that this could turn ugly, i have a strong inclination to what Aki&#39;s on about. And yeah, i&#39;m agreeing with him fully if he&#39;s saying that we need to start becoming a &quot;Self Sustained&quot; IT Country. <br>
<br>@Aki are these your thoughts?<br><br>Wa.. aaaa.. aaaa  CHHOO man!<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Rad! <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:conradakunga@gmail.com">conradakunga@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">C# my friend is an open standard, maintained by ECMA<div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-334.htm" target="_blank">http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-334.htm</a></div>

<div><br></div><div>But that withstanding I do not support universities teaching such high level languages (Java, C#) without going into sufficient depth the lower level ones, C and Pascal in particular.<div><div></div><div class="h5">
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On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Frankline Chitwa <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:frank.chitwa@gmail.com" target="_blank">frank.chitwa@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">

<div><blockquote style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;" class="gmail_quote">Everyone I know in every industry or career also in the same situation and rising costs of living also do not help. <br>


</blockquote><br></div>Well ive never had of opensource in any other industry :-) <br><div><br><blockquote style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;" class="gmail_quote">

 I think the grass is greener on your side because you do not need to 
invest any hard cash or monetary investments, assets, overheads.<br></blockquote><br></div>You are very wrong on that point my friend. How can you even think that people like me have no costs? You are stuck in a very wrong mind set. I mean how did you even come up with that? Infact I demand an apology from you!<br>


<br>One other point, microfost and proprietary software has been &quot;free&quot; in this KE for a long time. People use these applications without licence restrictions. The education sector is channeled to proprietary certificates, even Uni courses have started being taught using C# and not open standards stuff like C and C++. <br>


<br>Now one thing I have to say, and microsoft knows this, and other proprietary vendors know this, the moment they try to make africans buy their software that is the day Africa will turn open source. So they are bidding their time hoping that people will be addicted to proprietary through education and daily use enough to continue using $$ software upon pricing. Not gonna happen. On the day The moment the well established piracy sector is cornered with Redmond licensces etc, then you will see major open source contributions here. <br>


 <br>All in all, other than what youve tried to state above I believe that you see my point. In kenya we are at the open source consumption point. Its only by using software will people appreciate developing it.<br><br> We will be contributing in the near future.<br>


<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div>On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 10:58 AM, aki <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:aki275@gmail.com" target="_blank">aki275@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br></div></div>
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@Frankline, some thots below. :-)<br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Frankline Chitwa <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:frank.chitwa@gmail.com" target="_blank">frank.chitwa@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;" class="gmail_quote"><br>Most developers here don&#39;t earn enough to have hobbies, they are always busy 24/7 trying to make ends meet. That is what am saying. <br>




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</div><blockquote style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;" class="gmail_quote"><div>The grass always seems greener on the other side? I don&#39;t think only KE devs are trying to make ends meet. Everyone I know in every industry or career also in the same situation and rising costs of living also do not help. I think the grass is greener on your side because you do not need to invest any hard cash or monetary investments, assets, overheads. Maybe you guys should borrow from the banks or such and work on 4-7% profitability and numbers, then we would be talking a different line altogether where you have to work the real 24/7 to survive. </div>


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