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Some sanity may be creeping back, now if they remove heaters from their laptops
Nice one Dennis but Entertainment laptops >pavillion etc ..KEEP OFF for daily use :-) On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 8:05 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
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I want a laptop that handles everything without raising global warming concerns. If a macbook can do it, why not PC?
In HP get a business Laptop...everyone tends to run for Pavillions coz of specs while they are meant to run for 3-4 hrs a day only!! On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 8:32 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
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I am placing my bet on the Taiwanese, I think HP decided to export the whole industry including R&D to the Far East. Let me see what the likes of Lenovo and Acer can offer
Lenovo are already the 2nd highest selling worldwide. Get intouch for pricing offline. On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:02 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
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Damn, I knew it, you would sneak in some sales at some point. I am waiting for the dollar to hit 69.99 :-)
@Kioko hahahaha 69 ? give it about 4 months to hit 95/= !! Just come purchase in dollars!! On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Damn, I knew it, you would sneak in some sales at some point. I am waiting for the dollar to hit 69.99 :-) _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
@*Alvin Jason Ochieng* ...Ati pavilion should be powered only 3 to 4 hrs per day? lol be careful now - that kind of BULL might be taken seriously...causing serious damage your reputation. I own a dv5 (a notorious iron box/hotplate) that's been downloading stuff since Monday (today is Friday) and it will still hum along until its job is done sometime next week (If KPLC allows). I've done this numerous times. If your claims had any truth in them, HP would'av shut down, (let alone sold) its PSG division aeons ago _______________________________________________ *Good judgement comes from Experience.* *Most of that comes from Bad Judgement.* _______________________________________________ * * 2011/10/28 Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>
@Kioko
hahahaha 69 ? give it about 4 months to hit 95/= !!
Just come purchase in dollars!!
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@ James Njomo I have seen so many use those machines in an office Environment and they don't last the warranty period. I have been trained by HP. Give me a call we discuss if your interested. ALVIN 0722-313923 On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 1:44 PM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
@Alvin Jason Ochieng ...Ati pavilion should be powered only 3 to 4 hrs per day? lol be careful now - that kind of BULL might be taken seriously...causing serious damage your reputation. I own a dv5 (a notorious iron box/hotplate) that's been downloading stuff since Monday (today is Friday) and it will still hum along until its job is done sometime next week (If KPLC allows). I've done this numerous times. If your claims had any truth in them, HP would'av shut down, (let alone sold) its PSG division aeons ago
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@Kioko
hahahaha 69 ? give it about 4 months to hit 95/= !!
Just come purchase in dollars!!
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
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James, Alvin is right. Its only a matter of time and ur processor will fuse with motherboard or worse. A couple of my friends have had their machines fried after leaving them on for extendend periods On 10/28/11, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
@ James Njomo
I have seen so many use those machines in an office Environment and they don't last the warranty period. I have been trained by HP. Give me a call we discuss if your interested.
ALVIN 0722-313923
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 1:44 PM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
@Alvin Jason Ochieng ...Ati pavilion should be powered only 3 to 4 hrs per day? lol be careful now - that kind of BULL might be taken seriously...causing serious damage your reputation. I own a dv5 (a notorious iron box/hotplate) that's been downloading stuff since Monday (today is Friday) and it will still hum along until its job is done sometime next week (If KPLC allows). I've done this numerous times. If your claims had any truth in them, HP would'av shut down, (let alone sold) its PSG division aeons ago
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@Kioko
hahahaha 69 ? give it about 4 months to hit 95/= !!
Just come purchase in dollars!!
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
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I guess due to variation in manufacturing, some laptops may end up being of higher quality than the manufacturer intended. Taking a normal bell shaped distribution curve, we can safely assume that we do have a few exceptional laptops.
The trouble with line extension. HP/Dell etc have way too many laptop iterations. Each having it's own complications/supply chain constraints etc... That's where the challenge is. They need to stop trying to please everyone and simplify their laptop offerings, which will actually drive down cost (simpler form factor added to increased mass will ensure better negotiation with suppliers, reducing prices further). Apple basically has 5 laptop variants, and they are slowly outselling the rest (MacBook Air 11, 13, MBP, 13,15,17). The basic form factor of the MacBook pro is largely unchanged over the last two years!
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
The trouble with line extension. HP/Dell etc have way too many laptop iterations. Each having it's own complications/supply chain constraints
Great point. Too many models with nitty gritty detailed differences, selecting one is a nightmare, then when you wake up from that, another new variant is out. BR S -- This message represents the official view of the voices in my head.
Pavilions tend to get very hot especially when running CPU & GPU intensive tasks but the cooling system is capable of dissipating that heat as long as you do not interfere with it. Some folks tend to inadvertently cover the air intake vent at the bottom - left of the machine with their laps (or blankets when in bed), defeating the pavilion's cooling system. The machine then powers off when the CPU gets to circa 80*°C* (max 95*°C*) to prevent damage. This sequence of events tends to panic customers, thinking that their machine is substandard, they start fuelling myths like the "*3 to 4 hour a day usage allowance*" or the "*processor fusing onto a motherboard*" *←* lol Really? at 95*°*C? I've played GTA4 and Ghostbusters on the machine for up to 6 hours constant. Those titles cause the laptop to turn into a furnace but the heat generated is within manageable levels *JUST AS LONG AS THE COOLING SYSTEM IS NOT INTERFERED WITH* _______________________________________________ *Good judgement comes from Experience.* *Most of that comes from Bad Judgement.* _______________________________________________ * * 2011/10/28 Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>
The trouble with line extension. HP/Dell etc have way too many laptop iterations. Each having it's own complications/supply chain constraints etc... That's where the challenge is. They need to stop trying to please everyone and simplify their laptop offerings, which will actually drive down cost (simpler form factor added to increased mass will ensure better negotiation with suppliers, reducing prices further). Apple basically has 5 laptop variants, and they are slowly outselling the rest (MacBook Air 11, 13, MBP, 13,15,17). The basic form factor of the MacBook pro is largely unchanged over the last two years! _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
Now, HP and Dell by now should have known that we are likely to use our laptops on bed, or on our laps, and should have come up with a solution to cover for this
James, Get a probook if you need that kind of power on HP...you have been warned !! On 10/29/11, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Now, HP and Dell by now should have known that we are likely to use our laptops on bed, or on our laps, and should have come up with a solution to cover for this
I own a Probook. It is the most expensive doorstop I have ever purchased. On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
James,
Get a probook if you need that kind of power on HP...you have been warned !!
On 10/29/11, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Now, HP and Dell by now should have known that we are likely to use our laptops on bed, or on our laps, and should have come up with a solution to cover for this
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Rad, They are the 'cream of the crop' in HP Laptops! On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 11:53 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
I own a Probook.
It is the most expensive doorstop I have ever purchased.
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
James,
Get a probook if you need that kind of power on HP...you have been warned !!
On 10/29/11, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Now, HP and Dell by now should have known that we are likely to use our laptops on bed, or on our laps, and should have come up with a solution to cover for this
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If this is the cream I shudder to think of what the others are. I have the misfortune of purchasing one. Brand new. From the official distributor. Two *days* later the hard disk crashed. On its return it would at random blue screen. So i took it back. They replaced the motherboard. Same problem. Took it back. They replaced the RAM. Same problem. Before you ask all permissions of Windows from XP to 7, 32 and 64 bit have been tried. Fully patched with drivers from HP. Useless. On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
Rad,
They are the 'cream of the crop' in HP Laptops!
@RAD who is this official DISTRIBUTOR who couldn't just replace the machine for you? Replacing all those items via warranty would take quite a longtime man. I doubt your so called distributor is Genuine..... On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
If this is the cream I shudder to think of what the others are. I have the misfortune of purchasing one. Brand new. From the official distributor.
Two days later the hard disk crashed.
On its return it would at random blue screen.
So i took it back. They replaced the motherboard.
Same problem.
Took it back. They replaced the RAM.
Same problem.
Before you ask all permissions of Windows from XP to 7, 32 and 64 bit have been tried. Fully patched with drivers from HP. Useless.
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
Rad,
They are the 'cream of the crop' in HP Laptops!
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@Alvin. *"**Get a probook if you need that kind of power on HP...you have been warned !!**"* ProBook? For gaming? You recommend a business laptop that spots mostly HD Graphics 3000 for gaming? @Kioko. HP and Dell have laptops that you can use like that. HP ProBooks and Dell Inspirons are good examples... cover their ventilation ports and they won't even complain. However, TOP NOTCH models (e.g high end Pavilions and the more advanced Alienwares) sacrifice that kind of convenience to bring you TOP NOTCH GRAPHICS PERFORMANCE (THAT GENERATES ALOT OF HEAT IN THE PROCESS). It doesn't matter what laptop brand it is, if it sports *high performance graphics hardware*, the laptop will be a furnace and it will require extraordinary cooling and care. A good example would be those that feature nVIDIA 9600M GT. This card was used on a number of 2009 era Pavilion dvs and MacBook Pros. MacBook Pro Heat Issues with the same card:- - https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1922027?start=0&tstart=0 - http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1097679 Pavilion Heat Issues with the same card - http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebook-Hardware/dv5-9600-GT-Temperature-figur... *SUMMARY* *If it has high-end hardware, it will tend to generate heat no matter what the make.* *Their owners will panic coz of the heat but the heat is well within manageable levels for a high end laptop.* *The engineers made certain of that. * *Just avoid interfering with cooling and you will be fine.* *But recommending that these machines should be powered 3 to 4 hrs a day is nothing but misadvice.* NUF SAID. _______________________________________________ *Good judgement comes from Experience.* *Most of that comes from Bad Judgement.* _______________________________________________ * * 2011/10/29 Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>
James,
Get a probook if you need that kind of power on HP...you have been warned !!
On 10/29/11, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Now, HP and Dell by now should have known that we are likely to use our laptops on bed, or on our laps, and should have come up with a solution to cover for this
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James, I now understand that the laptop you require is a GAMING machine. We are going in Circles here. I am only telling you what HP has recommended on these Consumer/Entertainment laptops. If you need to hear it from the HP rep at HP East africa offices in Nairobi get intouch offlist for contacts. Topic closed!! On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 2:29 PM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
@Alvin. "Get a probook if you need that kind of power on HP...you have been warned !!" ProBook? For gaming? You recommend a business laptop that spots mostly HD Graphics 3000 for gaming?
@Kioko. HP and Dell have laptops that you can use like that. HP ProBooks and Dell Inspirons are good examples... cover their ventilation ports and they won't even complain. However, TOP NOTCH models (e.g high end Pavilions and the more advanced Alienwares) sacrifice that kind of convenience to bring you TOP NOTCH GRAPHICS PERFORMANCE (THAT GENERATES ALOT OF HEAT IN THE PROCESS). It doesn't matter what laptop brand it is, if it sports high performance graphics hardware, the laptop will be a furnace and it will require extraordinary cooling and care.
A good example would be those that feature nVIDIA 9600M GT. This card was used on a number of 2009 era Pavilion dvs and MacBook Pros. MacBook Pro Heat Issues with the same card:-
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1922027?start=0&tstart=0 http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1097679
Pavilion Heat Issues with the same card
http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebook-Hardware/dv5-9600-GT-Temperature-figur...
SUMMARY If it has high-end hardware, it will tend to generate heat no matter what the make. Their owners will panic coz of the heat but the heat is well within manageable levels for a high end laptop. The engineers made certain of that. Just avoid interfering with cooling and you will be fine. But recommending that these machines should be powered 3 to 4 hrs a day is nothing but misadvice. NUF SAID. _______________________________________________ Good judgement comes from Experience. Most of that comes from Bad Judgement. _______________________________________________
2011/10/29 Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>
James,
Get a probook if you need that kind of power on HP...you have been warned !!
On 10/29/11, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Now, HP and Dell by now should have known that we are likely to use our laptops on bed, or on our laps, and should have come up with a solution to cover for this
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@Alvin The problem with HP laptops is fragmentation. They don't focus enough to make a good device. Hence they will always have problems! I will insist, the MacBook Pro is good as an entertainment device & work device, I choose what I want to do with it! Simple problem (that afflicts Dell as well), most people who do heavy document editing generally are not in management. Problem is, for you to get a track stick on your laptop, you need to buy the EliteBook, which is the most expensive variety of HP laptop... And the same goes for the serial port. When you talk about the ProBook being a corporate oriented notebook, it has a cheap plastic feel to it. Clunky, poor battery life. Simple example, we bought the latest ProBooks at work, my 1.5 year old Dell, looks, feels and performs better than the ProBook. Roughly in the same price range. And this market segmentation does not work. Never has, never will. Why do HP assume that if I want a laptop for entertainment, I don't have a job? Many on this list will happily game away on their corporate/personal laptops over the weekend, but the laptop still has to be resilient enough to handle the usual corporate workload. Talk to most CEO's etc they have movies etc saved on their laptops. What HP do not realize is that if they distilled their laptop offering to say 10 high power devices (same thing that IBM did, with the form factor not changing), you will have better rates on your hardware (bringing down cost) and keep improving (heating issues etc can be alleviated and design slowly improved on). Additionally, for components such as hard disks/CPU's etc, you get better bargains from suppliers. To be honest, my opinion for HP is IT Infrastructure designed for limitation. Don't dictate to people what they want to do. Just make a good device. On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 6:38 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>wrote:
James,
I now understand that the laptop you require is a GAMING machine.
We are going in Circles here.
I am only telling you what HP has recommended on these Consumer/Entertainment laptops. If you need to hear it from the HP rep at HP East africa offices in Nairobi get intouch offlist for contacts.
Topic closed!!
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 2:29 PM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
@Alvin. "Get a probook if you need that kind of power on HP...you have been warned !!" ProBook? For gaming? You recommend a business laptop that spots mostly HD Graphics 3000 for gaming?
@Kioko. HP and Dell have laptops that you can use like that. HP ProBooks and Dell Inspirons are good examples... cover their ventilation ports and they won't even complain. However, TOP NOTCH models (e.g high end Pavilions and the more advanced Alienwares) sacrifice that kind of convenience to bring you TOP NOTCH GRAPHICS PERFORMANCE (THAT GENERATES ALOT OF HEAT IN THE PROCESS). It doesn't matter what laptop brand it is, if it sports high performance graphics hardware, the laptop will be a furnace and it will require extraordinary cooling and care.
A good example would be those that feature nVIDIA 9600M GT. This card was used on a number of 2009 era Pavilion dvs and MacBook Pros. MacBook Pro Heat Issues with the same card:-
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1922027?start=0&tstart=0 http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1097679
Pavilion Heat Issues with the same card
http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebook-Hardware/dv5-9600-GT-Temperature-figur...
SUMMARY If it has high-end hardware, it will tend to generate heat no matter what the make. Their owners will panic coz of the heat but the heat is well within manageable levels for a high end laptop. The engineers made certain of that. Just avoid interfering with cooling and you will be fine. But recommending that these machines should be powered 3 to 4 hrs a day
is
nothing but misadvice. NUF SAID. _______________________________________________ Good judgement comes from Experience. Most of that comes from Bad Judgement. _______________________________________________
2011/10/29 Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>
James,
Get a probook if you need that kind of power on HP...you have been
warned
!!
On 10/29/11, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Now, HP and Dell by now should have known that we are likely to use our laptops on bed, or on our laps, and should have come up with a solution to cover for this
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I have a pavilion dv 6 (amd phenom II). operates at a temp of around 90 when really doing hot stuff. But its totally worth it. I can't remember the last time I stopped oracle db services, and am running vmware most of the time. With all that the response is still pretty good. On 10/31/11, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
@Alvin
The problem with HP laptops is fragmentation. They don't focus enough to make a good device. Hence they will always have problems! I will insist, the MacBook Pro is good as an entertainment device & work device, I choose what I want to do with it!
Simple problem (that afflicts Dell as well), most people who do heavy document editing generally are not in management. Problem is, for you to get a track stick on your laptop, you need to buy the EliteBook, which is the most expensive variety of HP laptop... And the same goes for the serial port.
When you talk about the ProBook being a corporate oriented notebook, it has a cheap plastic feel to it. Clunky, poor battery life. Simple example, we bought the latest ProBooks at work, my 1.5 year old Dell, looks, feels and performs better than the ProBook. Roughly in the same price range.
And this market segmentation does not work. Never has, never will. Why do HP assume that if I want a laptop for entertainment, I don't have a job? Many on this list will happily game away on their corporate/personal laptops over the weekend, but the laptop still has to be resilient enough to handle the usual corporate workload. Talk to most CEO's etc they have movies etc saved on their laptops.
What HP do not realize is that if they distilled their laptop offering to say 10 high power devices (same thing that IBM did, with the form factor not changing), you will have better rates on your hardware (bringing down cost) and keep improving (heating issues etc can be alleviated and design slowly improved on). Additionally, for components such as hard disks/CPU's etc, you get better bargains from suppliers.
To be honest, my opinion for HP is IT Infrastructure designed for limitation. Don't dictate to people what they want to do. Just make a good device.
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 6:38 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>wrote:
James,
I now understand that the laptop you require is a GAMING machine.
We are going in Circles here.
I am only telling you what HP has recommended on these Consumer/Entertainment laptops. If you need to hear it from the HP rep at HP East africa offices in Nairobi get intouch offlist for contacts.
Topic closed!!
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 2:29 PM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
@Alvin. "Get a probook if you need that kind of power on HP...you have been warned !!" ProBook? For gaming? You recommend a business laptop that spots mostly HD Graphics 3000 for gaming?
@Kioko. HP and Dell have laptops that you can use like that. HP ProBooks and Dell Inspirons are good examples... cover their ventilation ports and they won't even complain. However, TOP NOTCH models (e.g high end Pavilions and the more advanced Alienwares) sacrifice that kind of convenience to bring you TOP NOTCH GRAPHICS PERFORMANCE (THAT GENERATES ALOT OF HEAT IN THE PROCESS). It doesn't matter what laptop brand it is, if it sports high performance graphics hardware, the laptop will be a furnace and it will require extraordinary cooling and care.
A good example would be those that feature nVIDIA 9600M GT. This card was used on a number of 2009 era Pavilion dvs and MacBook Pros. MacBook Pro Heat Issues with the same card:-
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1922027?start=0&tstart=0 http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1097679
Pavilion Heat Issues with the same card
http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebook-Hardware/dv5-9600-GT-Temperature-figur...
SUMMARY If it has high-end hardware, it will tend to generate heat no matter what the make. Their owners will panic coz of the heat but the heat is well within manageable levels for a high end laptop. The engineers made certain of that. Just avoid interfering with cooling and you will be fine. But recommending that these machines should be powered 3 to 4 hrs a day
is
nothing but misadvice. NUF SAID. _______________________________________________ Good judgement comes from Experience. Most of that comes from Bad Judgement. _______________________________________________
2011/10/29 Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>
James,
Get a probook if you need that kind of power on HP...you have been
warned
!!
On 10/29/11, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Now, HP and Dell by now should have known that we are likely to use our laptops on bed, or on our laps, and should have come up with a solution to cover for this
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@ Phares, You may be right through your own experience but you miss the point here. I do not work for HP. I was only advising James through the experience on HP laptops not trying to prove that HP is the best laptop. Personally am on IBM/ Lenovo for years now. That is why everyone has a brand choice. We do HP / DELL /TOSHIBA/ LENOVO/ IBM PS- You asked for a lenovo quote that you went quiet on :-) Alvin On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Mr. Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a pavilion dv 6 (amd phenom II). operates at a temp of around 90 when really doing hot stuff. But its totally worth it.
I can't remember the last time I stopped oracle db services, and am running vmware most of the time.
With all that the response is still pretty good.
On 10/31/11, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
@Alvin
The problem with HP laptops is fragmentation. They don't focus enough to make a good device. Hence they will always have problems! I will insist, the MacBook Pro is good as an entertainment device & work device, I choose what I want to do with it!
Simple problem (that afflicts Dell as well), most people who do heavy document editing generally are not in management. Problem is, for you to get a track stick on your laptop, you need to buy the EliteBook, which is the most expensive variety of HP laptop... And the same goes for the serial port.
When you talk about the ProBook being a corporate oriented notebook, it has a cheap plastic feel to it. Clunky, poor battery life. Simple example, we bought the latest ProBooks at work, my 1.5 year old Dell, looks, feels and performs better than the ProBook. Roughly in the same price range.
And this market segmentation does not work. Never has, never will. Why do HP assume that if I want a laptop for entertainment, I don't have a job? Many on this list will happily game away on their corporate/personal laptops over the weekend, but the laptop still has to be resilient enough to handle the usual corporate workload. Talk to most CEO's etc they have movies etc saved on their laptops.
What HP do not realize is that if they distilled their laptop offering to say 10 high power devices (same thing that IBM did, with the form factor not changing), you will have better rates on your hardware (bringing down cost) and keep improving (heating issues etc can be alleviated and design slowly improved on). Additionally, for components such as hard disks/CPU's etc, you get better bargains from suppliers.
To be honest, my opinion for HP is IT Infrastructure designed for limitation. Don't dictate to people what they want to do. Just make a good device.
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 6:38 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>wrote:
James,
I now understand that the laptop you require is a GAMING machine.
We are going in Circles here.
I am only telling you what HP has recommended on these Consumer/Entertainment laptops. If you need to hear it from the HP rep at HP East africa offices in Nairobi get intouch offlist for contacts.
Topic closed!!
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 2:29 PM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
@Alvin. "Get a probook if you need that kind of power on HP...you have been warned !!" ProBook? For gaming? You recommend a business laptop that spots mostly HD Graphics 3000 for gaming?
@Kioko. HP and Dell have laptops that you can use like that. HP ProBooks and Dell Inspirons are good examples... cover their ventilation ports and they won't even complain. However, TOP NOTCH models (e.g high end Pavilions and the more advanced Alienwares) sacrifice that kind of convenience to bring you TOP NOTCH GRAPHICS PERFORMANCE (THAT GENERATES ALOT OF HEAT IN THE PROCESS). It doesn't matter what laptop brand it is, if it sports high performance graphics hardware, the laptop will be a furnace and it will require extraordinary cooling and care.
A good example would be those that feature nVIDIA 9600M GT. This card was used on a number of 2009 era Pavilion dvs and MacBook Pros. MacBook Pro Heat Issues with the same card:-
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1922027?start=0&tstart=0 http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1097679
Pavilion Heat Issues with the same card
http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebook-Hardware/dv5-9600-GT-Temperature-figur...
SUMMARY If it has high-end hardware, it will tend to generate heat no matter what the make. Their owners will panic coz of the heat but the heat is well within manageable levels for a high end laptop. The engineers made certain of that. Just avoid interfering with cooling and you will be fine. But recommending that these machines should be powered 3 to 4 hrs a day
is
nothing but misadvice. NUF SAID. _______________________________________________ Good judgement comes from Experience. Most of that comes from Bad Judgement. _______________________________________________
2011/10/29 Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>
James,
Get a probook if you need that kind of power on HP...you have been
warned
!!
On 10/29/11, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Now, HP and Dell by now should have known that we are likely to use our laptops on bed, or on our laps, and should have come up with a solution to cover for this
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@ Phares, You may be right through your own experience but you miss the point here. I was only advising James through the experience on HP laptops not trying to prove that HP is the best laptop. Personally am on IBM/ Lenovo for years now. I DO NOT WORK FOR HP!! That is why everyone has a brand choice. We do HP / DELL /TOSHIBA/ LENOVO/ IBM PS- You asked for a lenovo quote that you went quiet on :-) On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 9:22 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
@Alvin The problem with HP laptops is fragmentation. They don't focus enough to make a good device. Hence they will always have problems! I will insist, the MacBook Pro is good as an entertainment device & work device, I choose what I want to do with it! Simple problem (that afflicts Dell as well), most people who do heavy document editing generally are not in management. Problem is, for you to get a track stick on your laptop, you need to buy the EliteBook, which is the most expensive variety of HP laptop... And the same goes for the serial port. When you talk about the ProBook being a corporate oriented notebook, it has a cheap plastic feel to it. Clunky, poor battery life. Simple example, we bought the latest ProBooks at work, my 1.5 year old Dell, looks, feels and performs better than the ProBook. Roughly in the same price range. And this market segmentation does not work. Never has, never will. Why do HP assume that if I want a laptop for entertainment, I don't have a job? Many on this list will happily game away on their corporate/personal laptops over the weekend, but the laptop still has to be resilient enough to handle the usual corporate workload. Talk to most CEO's etc they have movies etc saved on their laptops. What HP do not realize is that if they distilled their laptop offering to say 10 high power devices (same thing that IBM did, with the form factor not changing), you will have better rates on your hardware (bringing down cost) and keep improving (heating issues etc can be alleviated and design slowly improved on). Additionally, for components such as hard disks/CPU's etc, you get better bargains from suppliers. To be honest, my opinion for HP is IT Infrastructure designed for limitation. Don't dictate to people what they want to do. Just make a good device. On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 6:38 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
James,
I now understand that the laptop you require is a GAMING machine.
We are going in Circles here.
I am only telling you what HP has recommended on these Consumer/Entertainment laptops. If you need to hear it from the HP rep at HP East africa offices in Nairobi get intouch offlist for contacts.
Topic closed!!
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 2:29 PM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
@Alvin. "Get a probook if you need that kind of power on HP...you have been warned !!" ProBook? For gaming? You recommend a business laptop that spots mostly HD Graphics 3000 for gaming?
@Kioko. HP and Dell have laptops that you can use like that. HP ProBooks and Dell Inspirons are good examples... cover their ventilation ports and they won't even complain. However, TOP NOTCH models (e.g high end Pavilions and the more advanced Alienwares) sacrifice that kind of convenience to bring you TOP NOTCH GRAPHICS PERFORMANCE (THAT GENERATES ALOT OF HEAT IN THE PROCESS). It doesn't matter what laptop brand it is, if it sports high performance graphics hardware, the laptop will be a furnace and it will require extraordinary cooling and care.
A good example would be those that feature nVIDIA 9600M GT. This card was used on a number of 2009 era Pavilion dvs and MacBook Pros. MacBook Pro Heat Issues with the same card:-
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1922027?start=0&tstart=0 http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1097679
Pavilion Heat Issues with the same card
http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebook-Hardware/dv5-9600-GT-Temperature-figur...
SUMMARY If it has high-end hardware, it will tend to generate heat no matter what the make. Their owners will panic coz of the heat but the heat is well within manageable levels for a high end laptop. The engineers made certain of that. Just avoid interfering with cooling and you will be fine. But recommending that these machines should be powered 3 to 4 hrs a day is nothing but misadvice. NUF SAID. _______________________________________________ Good judgement comes from Experience. Most of that comes from Bad Judgement. _______________________________________________
2011/10/29 Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>
James,
Get a probook if you need that kind of power on HP...you have been warned !!
On 10/29/11, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Now, HP and Dell by now should have known that we are likely to use our laptops on bed, or on our laps, and should have come up with a solution to cover for this
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@Alvin. There is NO WAY hp will recommend 3 to 4 hours daily quota for up time on any of their machines. PERIOD! I hope you do not insist on that fallacy again. @Phares On the contrary market segmentation is key. Imagine dell selling $1500 Alienwares only!....no other model. If a 50 something year old CEO bought it, he/she (more so she) will most likely never play Battlefield 3D on the device hence a large number of components (GPU Video RAM etc) will never be put to good use, hence they pay dearly for features they hardly ever use. That's why dell makes other models like inspiron. Good for users who *just* want to work and do other trivial entertainment tasks like watch dvds, listen to music ....etc They have done their research on this and found that it is the best way forward...Same thing with phones. About dictating to people what they want to do.. Dell & Hp do not, your money does. They give you a wide variety of machines that can do what you want to do but that choice is limited by the amount of bling you have. Now do you see what dictates people? :) Apple on the other hand does IT Infrastructure designed for limitation. They limit you to what they think is best for them... Ask and ill give you a very long list of their limitations. _______________________________________________ *Good judgement comes from Experience.* *Most of that comes from Bad Judgement.* _______________________________________________ * * 2011/10/31 Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>
@ Phares,
You may be right through your own experience but you miss the point here. I was only advising James through the experience on HP laptops not trying to prove that HP is the best laptop. Personally am on IBM/ Lenovo for years now.
I DO NOT WORK FOR HP!!
That is why everyone has a brand choice. We do HP / DELL /TOSHIBA/ LENOVO/ IBM
PS- You asked for a lenovo quote that you went quiet on :-)
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 9:22 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
@Alvin The problem with HP laptops is fragmentation. They don't focus enough to make a good device. Hence they will always have problems! I will insist, the MacBook Pro is good as an entertainment device & work device, I choose what I want to do with it! Simple problem (that afflicts Dell as well), most people who do heavy document editing generally are not in management. Problem is, for you to get a track stick on your laptop, you need to buy the EliteBook, which is the most expensive variety of HP laptop... And the same goes for the serial port. When you talk about the ProBook being a corporate oriented notebook, it has a cheap plastic feel to it. Clunky, poor battery life. Simple example, we bought the latest ProBooks at work, my 1.5 year old Dell, looks, feels and performs better than the ProBook. Roughly in the same price range. And this market segmentation does not work. Never has, never will. Why do HP assume that if I want a laptop for entertainment, I don't have a job? Many on this list will happily game away on their corporate/personal laptops over the weekend, but the laptop still has to be resilient enough to handle the usual corporate workload. Talk to most CEO's etc they have movies etc saved on their laptops. What HP do not realize is that if they distilled their laptop offering to say 10 high power devices (same thing that IBM did, with the form factor not changing), you will have better rates on your hardware (bringing down cost) and keep improving (heating issues etc can be alleviated and design slowly improved on). Additionally, for components such as hard disks/CPU's etc, you get better bargains from suppliers. To be honest, my opinion for HP is IT Infrastructure designed for limitation. Don't dictate to people what they want to do. Just make a good device. On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 6:38 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com
wrote:
James,
I now understand that the laptop you require is a GAMING machine.
We are going in Circles here.
I am only telling you what HP has recommended on these Consumer/Entertainment laptops. If you need to hear it from the HP rep at HP East africa offices in Nairobi get intouch offlist for contacts.
Topic closed!!
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 2:29 PM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com>
wrote:
@Alvin. "Get a probook if you need that kind of power on HP...you have been warned !!" ProBook? For gaming? You recommend a business laptop that spots mostly HD Graphics 3000 for gaming?
@Kioko. HP and Dell have laptops that you can use like that. HP ProBooks and Dell Inspirons are good examples... cover their ventilation ports and they won't even complain. However, TOP NOTCH models (e.g high end Pavilions and the more advanced Alienwares) sacrifice that kind of convenience to bring you TOP NOTCH GRAPHICS PERFORMANCE (THAT GENERATES ALOT OF HEAT IN THE PROCESS). It doesn't matter what laptop brand it is, if it sports high performance graphics hardware, the laptop will be a furnace and it will require extraordinary cooling and care.
A good example would be those that feature nVIDIA 9600M GT. This card was used on a number of 2009 era Pavilion dvs and MacBook Pros. MacBook Pro Heat Issues with the same card:-
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1922027?start=0&tstart=0 http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1097679
Pavilion Heat Issues with the same card
http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebook-Hardware/dv5-9600-GT-Temperature-figur...
SUMMARY If it has high-end hardware, it will tend to generate heat no matter what the make. Their owners will panic coz of the heat but the heat is well within manageable levels for a high end laptop. The engineers made certain of that. Just avoid interfering with cooling and you will be fine. But recommending that these machines should be powered 3 to 4 hrs a
day
is nothing but misadvice. NUF SAID. _______________________________________________ Good judgement comes from Experience. Most of that comes from Bad Judgement. _______________________________________________
2011/10/29 Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>
James,
Get a probook if you need that kind of power on HP...you have been warned !!
On 10/29/11, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Now, HP and Dell by now should have known that we are likely to use our laptops on bed, or on our laps, and should have come up with a solution to cover for this
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@James ''Mr. Know it all'' Contact offlist you talk to the HP Rep for E.Africa. Then you can talk of 'Fallacy'' !!! Chapter Closed. On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 3:42 PM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
@Alvin. There is NO WAY hp will recommend 3 to 4 hours daily quota for up time on any of their machines. PERIOD! I hope you do not insist on that fallacy again.
@Phares On the contrary market segmentation is key. Imagine dell selling $1500 Alienwares only!....no other model. If a 50 something year old CEO bought it, he/she (more so she) will most likely never play Battlefield 3D on the device hence a large number of components (GPU Video RAM etc) will never be put to good use, hence they pay dearly for features they hardly ever use. That's why dell makes other models like inspiron. Good for users who *just* want to work and do other trivial entertainment tasks like watch dvds, listen to music ....etc They have done their research on this and found that it is the best way forward...Same thing with phones.
About dictating to people what they want to do.. Dell & Hp do not, your money does. They give you a wide variety of machines that can do what you want to do but that choice is limited by the amount of bling you have. Now do you see what dictates people? :) Apple on the other hand does IT Infrastructure designed for limitation. They limit you to what they think is best for them... Ask and ill give you a very long list of their limitations.
_______________________________________________ Good judgement comes from Experience. Most of that comes from Bad Judgement. _______________________________________________
2011/10/31 Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>
@ Phares,
You may be right through your own experience but you miss the point here. I was only advising James through the experience on HP laptops not trying to prove that HP is the best laptop. Personally am on IBM/ Lenovo for years now.
I DO NOT WORK FOR HP!!
That is why everyone has a brand choice. We do HP / DELL /TOSHIBA/ LENOVO/ IBM
PS- You asked for a lenovo quote that you went quiet on :-)
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 9:22 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
@Alvin The problem with HP laptops is fragmentation. They don't focus enough to make a good device. Hence they will always have problems! I will insist, the MacBook Pro is good as an entertainment device & work device, I choose what I want to do with it! Simple problem (that afflicts Dell as well), most people who do heavy document editing generally are not in management. Problem is, for you to get a track stick on your laptop, you need to buy the EliteBook, which is the most expensive variety of HP laptop... And the same goes for the serial port. When you talk about the ProBook being a corporate oriented notebook, it has a cheap plastic feel to it. Clunky, poor battery life. Simple example, we bought the latest ProBooks at work, my 1.5 year old Dell, looks, feels and performs better than the ProBook. Roughly in the same price range. And this market segmentation does not work. Never has, never will. Why do HP assume that if I want a laptop for entertainment, I don't have a job? Many on this list will happily game away on their corporate/personal laptops over the weekend, but the laptop still has to be resilient enough to handle the usual corporate workload. Talk to most CEO's etc they have movies etc saved on their laptops. What HP do not realize is that if they distilled their laptop offering to say 10 high power devices (same thing that IBM did, with the form factor not changing), you will have better rates on your hardware (bringing down cost) and keep improving (heating issues etc can be alleviated and design slowly improved on). Additionally, for components such as hard disks/CPU's etc, you get better bargains from suppliers. To be honest, my opinion for HP is IT Infrastructure designed for limitation. Don't dictate to people what they want to do. Just make a good device. On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 6:38 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
James,
I now understand that the laptop you require is a GAMING machine.
We are going in Circles here.
I am only telling you what HP has recommended on these Consumer/Entertainment laptops. If you need to hear it from the HP rep at HP East africa offices in Nairobi get intouch offlist for contacts.
Topic closed!!
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 2:29 PM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
@Alvin. "Get a probook if you need that kind of power on HP...you have been warned !!" ProBook? For gaming? You recommend a business laptop that spots mostly HD Graphics 3000 for gaming?
@Kioko. HP and Dell have laptops that you can use like that. HP ProBooks and Dell Inspirons are good examples... cover their ventilation ports and they won't even complain. However, TOP NOTCH models (e.g high end Pavilions and the more advanced Alienwares) sacrifice that kind of convenience to bring you TOP NOTCH GRAPHICS PERFORMANCE (THAT GENERATES ALOT OF HEAT IN THE PROCESS). It doesn't matter what laptop brand it is, if it sports high performance graphics hardware, the laptop will be a furnace and it will require extraordinary cooling and care.
A good example would be those that feature nVIDIA 9600M GT. This card was used on a number of 2009 era Pavilion dvs and MacBook Pros. MacBook Pro Heat Issues with the same card:-
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1922027?start=0&tstart=0 http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1097679
Pavilion Heat Issues with the same card
http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebook-Hardware/dv5-9600-GT-Temperature-figur...
SUMMARY If it has high-end hardware, it will tend to generate heat no matter what the make. Their owners will panic coz of the heat but the heat is well within manageable levels for a high end laptop. The engineers made certain of that. Just avoid interfering with cooling and you will be fine. But recommending that these machines should be powered 3 to 4 hrs a day is nothing but misadvice. NUF SAID. _______________________________________________ Good judgement comes from Experience. Most of that comes from Bad Judgement. _______________________________________________
2011/10/29 Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>
James,
Get a probook if you need that kind of power on HP...you have been warned !!
On 10/29/11, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote: > Now, HP and Dell by now should have known that we are likely to > use > our > laptops on bed, or on our laps, and should have come up with a > solution > to > cover for this > _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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lol ...That was really mature Thank you for the offer but calling to discuss how long laptops should be powered on is monumental waste of time and resources _______________________________________________ *Good judgement comes from Experience.* *Most of that comes from Bad Judgement.* _______________________________________________ * * 2011/10/31 Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>
@James ''Mr. Know it all''
Contact offlist you talk to the HP Rep for E.Africa. Then you can talk of 'Fallacy'' !!!
Chapter Closed.
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 3:42 PM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
@Alvin. There is NO WAY hp will recommend 3 to 4 hours daily quota for up time on any of their machines. PERIOD! I hope you do not insist on that fallacy again.
@Phares On the contrary market segmentation is key. Imagine dell selling $1500 Alienwares only!....no other model. If a 50 something year old CEO bought it, he/she (more so she) will most likely never play Battlefield 3D on the device hence a large number of components (GPU Video RAM etc) will never be put to good use, hence they pay dearly for features they hardly ever use. That's why dell makes other models like inspiron. Good for users who *just* want to work and do other trivial entertainment tasks like watch dvds, listen to music ....etc They have done their research on this and found that it is the best way forward...Same thing with phones.
About dictating to people what they want to do.. Dell & Hp do not, your money does. They give you a wide variety of machines that can do what you want to do but that choice is limited by the amount of bling you have. Now do you see what dictates people? :) Apple on the other hand does IT Infrastructure designed for limitation. They limit you to what they think is best for them... Ask and ill give you a very long list of their limitations.
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2011/10/31 Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>
@ Phares,
You may be right through your own experience but you miss the point here. I was only advising James through the experience on HP laptops not trying to prove that HP is the best laptop. Personally am on IBM/ Lenovo for years now.
I DO NOT WORK FOR HP!!
That is why everyone has a brand choice. We do HP / DELL /TOSHIBA/
LENOVO/
IBM
PS- You asked for a lenovo quote that you went quiet on :-)
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 9:22 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
@Alvin The problem with HP laptops is fragmentation. They don't focus enough to make a good device. Hence they will always have problems! I will insist, the MacBook Pro is good as an entertainment device & work device, I choose what I want to do with it! Simple problem (that afflicts Dell as well), most people who do heavy document editing generally are not in management. Problem is, for you to get a track stick on your laptop, you need to buy the EliteBook, which is the most expensive variety of HP laptop... And the same goes for the serial port. When you talk about the ProBook being a corporate oriented notebook, it has a cheap plastic feel to it. Clunky, poor battery life. Simple example, we bought the latest ProBooks at work, my 1.5 year old Dell, looks, feels and performs better than the ProBook. Roughly in the same price range. And this market segmentation does not work. Never has, never will. Why do HP assume that if I want a laptop for entertainment, I don't have a job? Many on this list will happily game away on their corporate/personal laptops over the weekend, but the laptop still has to be resilient enough to handle the usual corporate workload. Talk to most CEO's etc they have movies etc saved on their laptops. What HP do not realize is that if they distilled their laptop offering to say 10 high power devices (same thing that IBM did, with the form factor not changing), you will have better rates on your hardware (bringing down cost) and keep improving (heating issues etc can be alleviated and design slowly improved on). Additionally, for components such as hard disks/CPU's etc, you get better bargains from suppliers. To be honest, my opinion for HP is IT Infrastructure designed for limitation. Don't dictate to people what they want to do. Just make a good device. On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 6:38 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
James,
I now understand that the laptop you require is a GAMING machine.
We are going in Circles here.
I am only telling you what HP has recommended on these Consumer/Entertainment laptops. If you need to hear it from the HP
rep
at HP East africa offices in Nairobi get intouch offlist for contacts.
Topic closed!!
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 2:29 PM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
@Alvin. "Get a probook if you need that kind of power on HP...you have been warned !!" ProBook? For gaming? You recommend a business laptop that spots mostly HD Graphics 3000 for gaming?
@Kioko. HP and Dell have laptops that you can use like that. HP ProBooks and Dell Inspirons are good examples... cover their ventilation ports and they won't even complain. However, TOP NOTCH models (e.g high end Pavilions and the more advanced Alienwares) sacrifice that kind of convenience to bring you TOP NOTCH GRAPHICS PERFORMANCE (THAT GENERATES ALOT OF HEAT IN THE PROCESS). It doesn't matter what laptop brand it is, if it sports high performance graphics hardware, the laptop will be a furnace and it will require extraordinary cooling and care.
A good example would be those that feature nVIDIA 9600M GT. This card was used on a number of 2009 era Pavilion dvs and MacBook Pros. MacBook Pro Heat Issues with the same card:-
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1922027?start=0&tstart=0 http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1097679
Pavilion Heat Issues with the same card
http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebook-Hardware/dv5-9600-GT-Temperature-figur...
SUMMARY If it has high-end hardware, it will tend to generate heat no
matter
what the make. Their owners will panic coz of the heat but the heat is well within manageable levels for a high end laptop. The engineers made certain of that. Just avoid interfering with cooling and you will be fine. But recommending that these machines should be powered 3 to 4 hrs a day is nothing but misadvice. NUF SAID. _______________________________________________ Good judgement comes from Experience. Most of that comes from Bad Judgement. _______________________________________________
2011/10/29 Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> > > James, > > Get a probook if you need that kind of power on HP...you have been > warned > !! > > On 10/29/11, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote: > > Now, HP and Dell by now should have known that we are likely to > > use > > our > > laptops on bed, or on our laps, and should have come up with a > > solution > > to > > cover for this > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 3:42 PM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
@Phares
...
Apple on the other hand does IT Infrastructure designed for limitation. They limit you to what they think is best for them... Ask and ill give you a very long list of their limitations.
@James, seems like Phares is not asking quickly enough, so what are these limitations that Apple products have?
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