@Alvin. There is NO WAY hp will recommend 3 to 4 hours daily quota for up time on any of their machines. PERIOD! I hope you do not insist on that fallacy again.


@Phares
On the contrary market segmentation is key. Imagine dell selling $1500 Alienwares only!....no other model. If a 50 something year old CEO bought it, he/she (more so she) will most likely never play Battlefield 3D on the device hence a large number of components (GPU Video RAM etc) will never be put to good use, hence they pay dearly for features they hardly ever use.
That's why dell makes other models like inspiron. Good for users who *just* want to work and do other trivial entertainment tasks like watch dvds, listen to music ....etc
They have done their research on this and found that it is the best way forward...Same thing with phones.


About dictating to people what they want to do.. Dell & Hp do not, your money does. They give you a wide variety of machines that can do what you want to do but that choice is limited by the amount of bling you have. Now do you see what dictates people? :)

Apple on the other hand does IT Infrastructure designed for limitation. They limit you to what they think is best for them... Ask and ill give you a very long list of their limitations.






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2011/10/31 Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>
@ Phares,

You may be right through your own experience but you miss the point
here. I was only advising James through the experience on HP laptops
not trying to prove that HP is the best laptop. Personally am on IBM/
Lenovo for years now.

I DO NOT WORK FOR HP!!

That is why everyone has a brand choice. We do HP / DELL /TOSHIBA/ LENOVO/ IBM

PS- You asked for a lenovo quote that you went quiet on :-)



On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 9:22 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
> @Alvin
> The problem with HP laptops is fragmentation. They don't focus enough to
> make a good device. Hence they will always have problems! I will insist, the
> MacBook Pro is good as an entertainment device & work device, I choose what
> I want to do with it!
> Simple problem (that afflicts Dell as well), most people who do heavy
> document editing generally are not in management. Problem is, for you to get
> a track stick on your laptop, you need to buy the EliteBook, which is the
> most expensive variety of HP laptop... And the same goes for the serial
> port.
> When you talk about the ProBook being a corporate oriented notebook, it has
> a cheap plastic feel to it. Clunky, poor battery life. Simple example, we
> bought the latest ProBooks at work, my 1.5 year old Dell, looks, feels and
> performs better than the ProBook. Roughly in the same price range.
> And this market segmentation does not work. Never has, never will. Why do HP
> assume that if I want a laptop for entertainment, I don't have a job? Many
> on this list will happily game away on their corporate/personal laptops over
> the weekend, but the laptop still has to be resilient enough to handle the
> usual corporate workload. Talk to most CEO's etc they have movies etc saved
> on their laptops.
> What HP do not realize is that if they distilled their laptop offering to
> say 10 high power devices (same thing that IBM did, with the form factor not
> changing), you will have better rates on your hardware (bringing down cost)
> and keep improving (heating issues etc can be alleviated and design slowly
> improved on). Additionally, for components such as hard disks/CPU's etc, you
> get better bargains from suppliers.
> To be honest, my opinion for HP is IT Infrastructure designed for
> limitation. Don't dictate to people what they want to do. Just make a good
> device.
> On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 6:38 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> James,
>>
>> I now understand  that the laptop you require is a GAMING machine.
>>
>> We are going in Circles here.
>>
>>  I am only telling you what HP has recommended on these
>> Consumer/Entertainment laptops. If you need to hear it from the HP rep
>> at HP East africa offices in Nairobi get intouch offlist for contacts.
>>
>> Topic closed!!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 2:29 PM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > @Alvin.
>> > "Get a probook if you need that kind of power on HP...you have been
>> > warned
>> > !!" ProBook? For gaming?
>> > You recommend a business laptop that spots mostly HD Graphics 3000 for
>> > gaming?
>> >
>> > @Kioko. HP and Dell have laptops that you can use like that. HP ProBooks
>> > and
>> > Dell Inspirons are good examples... cover their ventilation ports and
>> > they
>> > won't even complain.
>> > However, TOP NOTCH models (e.g high end Pavilions and the more advanced
>> > Alienwares) sacrifice that kind of convenience to bring you TOP NOTCH
>> > GRAPHICS PERFORMANCE (THAT GENERATES ALOT OF HEAT IN THE PROCESS).
>> > It doesn't matter what laptop brand it is, if it sports high performance
>> > graphics hardware, the laptop will be a furnace and it will require
>> > extraordinary cooling and care.
>> >
>> > A good example would be those that feature nVIDIA 9600M GT. This card
>> > was
>> > used on a number of 2009 era Pavilion dvs and MacBook Pros.
>> > MacBook Pro Heat Issues with the same card:-
>> >
>> > https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1922027?start=0&tstart=0
>> > http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1097679
>> >
>> > Pavilion Heat Issues with the same card
>> >
>> >
>> > http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebook-Hardware/dv5-9600-GT-Temperature-figures/td-p/320193
>> >
>> > SUMMARY
>> > If it has high-end hardware, it will tend to generate heat no matter
>> > what
>> > the make.
>> > Their owners will panic coz of the heat but the heat is well
>> > within manageable levels for a high end laptop.
>> > The engineers made certain of that.
>> > Just avoid interfering with cooling and you will be fine.
>> > But recommending that these machines should be powered 3 to 4 hrs a day
>> > is
>> > nothing but misadvice.
>> > NUF SAID.
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>> >
>> >
>> > 2011/10/29 Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>
>> >>
>> >> James,
>> >>
>> >> Get a probook if you need that kind of power on HP...you have been
>> >> warned
>> >> !!
>> >>
>> >> On 10/29/11, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > Now, HP and Dell by now should have known that we are likely to use
>> >> > our
>> >> > laptops on bed, or on our laps, and should have come up with a
>> >> > solution
>> >> > to
>> >> > cover for this
>> >> >
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