Thank you for the offer but calling to discuss how long laptops should be powered on is monumental waste of time and resources

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Good judgement comes from Experience.

Most of that comes from Bad Judgement.

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2011/10/31 Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>

@James ''Mr. Know it all''

Contact offlist you talk to the HP Rep for E.Africa.
Then you can talk of 'Fallacy'' !!!

Chapter Closed.

On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 3:42 PM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
> @Alvin. There is NO WAY hp will recommend 3 to 4 hours daily quota for up
> time on any of their machines. PERIOD! I hope you do not insist on that
> fallacy again.
>
> @Phares
> On the contrary market segmentation is key. Imagine dell selling $1500
> Alienwares only!....no other model. If a 50 something year old CEO bought
> it, he/she (more so she) will most likely never play Battlefield 3D on the
> device hence a large number of components (GPU Video RAM etc) will never be
> put to good use, hence they pay dearly for features they hardly ever use.
> That's why dell makes other models like inspiron. Good for users who *just*
> want to work and do other trivial entertainment tasks like watch dvds,
> listen to music ....etc
> They have done their research on this and found that it is the best way
> forward...Same thing with phones.
>
> About dictating to people what they want to do.. Dell & Hp do not, your
> money does. They give you a wide variety of machines that can do what you
> want to do but that choice is limited by the amount of bling you have. Now
> do you see what dictates people? :)
> Apple on the other hand does IT Infrastructure designed for limitation. They
> limit you to what they think is best for them... Ask and ill give you a very
> long list of their limitations.
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> 2011/10/31 Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>
>>
>> @ Phares,
>>
>> You may be right through your own experience but you miss the point
>> here. I was only advising James through the experience on HP laptops
>> not trying to prove that HP is the best laptop. Personally am on IBM/
>> Lenovo for years now.
>>
>> I DO NOT WORK FOR HP!!
>>
>> That is why everyone has a brand choice. We do HP / DELL /TOSHIBA/ LENOVO/
>> IBM
>>
>> PS- You asked for a lenovo quote that you went quiet on :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 9:22 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > @Alvin
>> > The problem with HP laptops is fragmentation. They don't focus enough to
>> > make a good device. Hence they will always have problems! I will insist,
>> > the
>> > MacBook Pro is good as an entertainment device & work device, I choose
>> > what
>> > I want to do with it!
>> > Simple problem (that afflicts Dell as well), most people who do heavy
>> > document editing generally are not in management. Problem is, for you to
>> > get
>> > a track stick on your laptop, you need to buy the EliteBook, which is
>> > the
>> > most expensive variety of HP laptop... And the same goes for the serial
>> > port.
>> > When you talk about the ProBook being a corporate oriented notebook, it
>> > has
>> > a cheap plastic feel to it. Clunky, poor battery life. Simple example,
>> > we
>> > bought the latest ProBooks at work, my 1.5 year old Dell, looks, feels
>> > and
>> > performs better than the ProBook. Roughly in the same price range.
>> > And this market segmentation does not work. Never has, never will. Why
>> > do HP
>> > assume that if I want a laptop for entertainment, I don't have a job?
>> > Many
>> > on this list will happily game away on their corporate/personal laptops
>> > over
>> > the weekend, but the laptop still has to be resilient enough to handle
>> > the
>> > usual corporate workload. Talk to most CEO's etc they have movies etc
>> > saved
>> > on their laptops.
>> > What HP do not realize is that if they distilled their laptop offering
>> > to
>> > say 10 high power devices (same thing that IBM did, with the form factor
>> > not
>> > changing), you will have better rates on your hardware (bringing down
>> > cost)
>> > and keep improving (heating issues etc can be alleviated and design
>> > slowly
>> > improved on). Additionally, for components such as hard disks/CPU's etc,
>> > you
>> > get better bargains from suppliers.
>> > To be honest, my opinion for HP is IT Infrastructure designed for
>> > limitation. Don't dictate to people what they want to do. Just make a
>> > good
>> > device.
>> > On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 6:38 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng
>> > <ajochola@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> James,
>> >>
>> >> I now understand that the laptop you require is a GAMING machine.
>> >>
>> >> We are going in Circles here.
>> >>
>> >> I am only telling you what HP has recommended on these
>> >> Consumer/Entertainment laptops. If you need to hear it from the HP rep
>> >> at HP East africa offices in Nairobi get intouch offlist for contacts.
>> >>
>> >> Topic closed!!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 2:29 PM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > @Alvin.
>> >> > "Get a probook if you need that kind of power on HP...you have been
>> >> > warned
>> >> > !!" ProBook? For gaming?
>> >> > You recommend a business laptop that spots mostly HD Graphics 3000
>> >> > for
>> >> > gaming?
>> >> >
>> >> > @Kioko. HP and Dell have laptops that you can use like that. HP
>> >> > ProBooks
>> >> > and
>> >> > Dell Inspirons are good examples... cover their ventilation ports and
>> >> > they
>> >> > won't even complain.
>> >> > However, TOP NOTCH models (e.g high end Pavilions and the more
>> >> > advanced
>> >> > Alienwares) sacrifice that kind of convenience to bring you TOP NOTCH
>> >> > GRAPHICS PERFORMANCE (THAT GENERATES ALOT OF HEAT IN THE PROCESS).
>> >> > It doesn't matter what laptop brand it is, if it sports high
>> >> > performance
>> >> > graphics hardware, the laptop will be a furnace and it will require
>> >> > extraordinary cooling and care.
>> >> >
>> >> > A good example would be those that feature nVIDIA 9600M GT. This card
>> >> > was
>> >> > used on a number of 2009 era Pavilion dvs and MacBook Pros.
>> >> > MacBook Pro Heat Issues with the same card:-
>> >> >
>> >> > https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1922027?start=0&tstart=0
>> >> > http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1097679
>> >> >
>> >> > Pavilion Heat Issues with the same card
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebook-Hardware/dv5-9600-GT-Temperature-figures/td-p/320193
>> >> >
>> >> > SUMMARY
>> >> > If it has high-end hardware, it will tend to generate heat no matter
>> >> > what
>> >> > the make.
>> >> > Their owners will panic coz of the heat but the heat is well
>> >> > within manageable levels for a high end laptop.
>> >> > The engineers made certain of that.
>> >> > Just avoid interfering with cooling and you will be fine.
>> >> > But recommending that these machines should be powered 3 to 4 hrs a
>> >> > day
>> >> > is
>> >> > nothing but misadvice.
>> >> > NUF SAID.
>> >> > _______________________________________________
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>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > 2011/10/29 Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> James,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Get a probook if you need that kind of power on HP...you have been
>> >> >> warned
>> >> >> !!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 10/29/11, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > Now, HP and Dell by now should have known that we are likely to
>> >> >> > use
>> >> >> > our
>> >> >> > laptops on bed, or on our laps, and should have come up with a
>> >> >> > solution
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > cover for this
>> >> >> >
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