@Alvin

The problem with HP laptops is fragmentation. They don't focus enough to make a good device. Hence they will always have problems! I will insist, the MacBook Pro is good as an entertainment device & work device, I choose what I want to do with it! 

Simple problem (that afflicts Dell as well), most people who do heavy document editing generally are not in management. Problem is, for you to get a track stick on your laptop, you need to buy the EliteBook, which is the most expensive variety of HP laptop... And the same goes for the serial port. 

When you talk about the ProBook being a corporate oriented notebook, it has a cheap plastic feel to it. Clunky, poor battery life. Simple example, we bought the latest ProBooks at work, my 1.5 year old Dell, looks, feels and performs better than the ProBook. Roughly in the same price range. 

And this market segmentation does not work. Never has, never will. Why do HP assume that if I want a laptop for entertainment, I don't have a job? Many on this list will happily game away on their corporate/personal laptops over the weekend, but the laptop still has to be resilient enough to handle the usual corporate workload. Talk to most CEO's etc they have movies etc saved on their laptops. 

What HP do not realize is that if they distilled their laptop offering to say 10 high power devices (same thing that IBM did, with the form factor not changing), you will have better rates on your hardware (bringing down cost) and keep improving (heating issues etc can be alleviated and design slowly improved on). Additionally, for components such as hard disks/CPU's etc, you get better bargains from suppliers. 

To be honest, my opinion for HP is IT Infrastructure designed for limitation. Don't dictate to people what they want to do. Just make a good device. 

On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 6:38 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
James,

I now understand  that the laptop you require is a GAMING machine.

We are going in Circles here.

 I am only telling you what HP has recommended on these
Consumer/Entertainment laptops. If you need to hear it from the HP rep
at HP East africa offices in Nairobi get intouch offlist for contacts.

Topic closed!!



On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 2:29 PM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
> @Alvin.
> "Get a probook if you need that kind of power on HP...you have been warned
> !!" ProBook? For gaming?
> You recommend a business laptop that spots mostly HD Graphics 3000 for
> gaming?
>
> @Kioko. HP and Dell have laptops that you can use like that. HP ProBooks and
> Dell Inspirons are good examples... cover their ventilation ports and they
> won't even complain.
> However, TOP NOTCH models (e.g high end Pavilions and the more advanced
> Alienwares) sacrifice that kind of convenience to bring you TOP NOTCH
> GRAPHICS PERFORMANCE (THAT GENERATES ALOT OF HEAT IN THE PROCESS).
> It doesn't matter what laptop brand it is, if it sports high performance
> graphics hardware, the laptop will be a furnace and it will require
> extraordinary cooling and care.
>
> A good example would be those that feature nVIDIA 9600M GT. This card was
> used on a number of 2009 era Pavilion dvs and MacBook Pros.
> MacBook Pro Heat Issues with the same card:-
>
> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1922027?start=0&tstart=0
> http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1097679
>
> Pavilion Heat Issues with the same card
>
> http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebook-Hardware/dv5-9600-GT-Temperature-figures/td-p/320193
>
> SUMMARY
> If it has high-end hardware, it will tend to generate heat no matter what
> the make.
> Their owners will panic coz of the heat but the heat is well
> within manageable levels for a high end laptop.
> The engineers made certain of that.
> Just avoid interfering with cooling and you will be fine.
> But recommending that these machines should be powered 3 to 4 hrs a day is
> nothing but misadvice.
> NUF SAID.
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
> 2011/10/29 Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>
>>
>> James,
>>
>> Get a probook if you need that kind of power on HP...you have been warned
>> !!
>>
>> On 10/29/11, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Now, HP and Dell by now should have known that we are likely to use our
>> > laptops on bed, or on our laps, and should have come up with a solution
>> > to
>> > cover for this
>> >
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