...noticed something weird with safaricom: 1: when i divert my safcom line to another network, my safcom airtime gets deducted EVERY TIME i receive a diverted call (on the other line) 2: when my safcom line HAS NO AIRTIME, and is diverted to another line, safcom declares me MTEJA ...at first, i couldn't make sense of what was happening to my safcom airtime, but now i have tried, tested and confirmed. anyone else been bitten so?... <motobaridi>
1: when i divert my safcom line to another network, my safcom airtime gets deducted EVERY TIME i receive a diverted call (on the other line) 2: when my safcom line HAS NO AIRTIME, and is diverted to another line, safcom declares me MTEJA
Not weird... They have been doing this for a while... You are billed for the destination network, so let's say you are diverting to Zain, you will be billed 14 bob per min... If you have no airtime, obviously you cannot divert :). -- With Regards, Phares Kariuki | T: +254 734 810 802 | E: pkariuki@gmail.com | Twitter: kaboro | Skype: kariukiphares |
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...noticed something weird with safaricom: 1: when i divert my safcom line to another network, my safcom airtime gets deducted EVERY TIME i receive a diverted call (on the other line) 2: when my safcom line HAS NO AIRTIME, and is diverted to another line, safcom declares me MTEJA
...at first, i couldn't make sense of what was happening to my safcom airtime, but now i have tried, tested and confirmed. anyone else been bitten so?...
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...i was never aware of this. sasa nimeamshwa!... On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Njoroge Tito <titonjoroge@gmail.com> wrote:
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...noticed something weird with safaricom: 1: when i divert my safcom line to another network, my safcom airtime gets deducted EVERY TIME i receive a diverted call (on the other line) 2: when my safcom line HAS NO AIRTIME, and is diverted to another line, safcom declares me MTEJA
...at first, i couldn't make sense of what was happening to my safcom airtime, but now i have tried, tested and confirmed. anyone else been bitten so?...
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It's called Safaricom... the better option! On 09/11/2009, MotoBaridi <motobaridi@gmail.com> wrote:
...i was never aware of this. sasa nimeamshwa!...
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Highlights the need for consumer education on various offerings..
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...noticed something weird with safaricom: 1: when i divert my safcom line to another network, my safcom airtime gets deducted EVERY TIME i receive a diverted call (on the other line) 2: when my safcom line HAS NO AIRTIME, and is diverted to another line, safcom declares me MTEJA
...at first, i couldn't make sense of what was happening to my safcom airtime, but now i have tried, tested and confirmed. anyone else been bitten so?...
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has been there for years....I discovered a while ago. I don't know why but just hope smtg could be done about it. MotoBaridi wrote:
...noticed something weird with safaricom: 1: when i divert my safcom line to another network, my safcom airtime gets deducted EVERY TIME i receive a diverted call (on the other line) 2: when my safcom line HAS NO AIRTIME, and is diverted to another line, safcom declares me MTEJA
...at first, i couldn't make sense of what was happening to my safcom airtime, but now i have tried, tested and confirmed. anyone else been bitten so?...
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Seems pretty normal to me . . Afterall you are making safaricom call zain through your line . . Thus you should pay for it. . On 11/9/09, James Kagwe <kagwejg@gmail.com> wrote:
has been there for years....I discovered a while ago. I don't know why but just hope smtg could be done about it.
MotoBaridi wrote:
...noticed something weird with safaricom: 1: when i divert my safcom line to another network, my safcom airtime gets deducted EVERY TIME i receive a diverted call (on the other line) 2: when my safcom line HAS NO AIRTIME, and is diverted to another line, safcom declares me MTEJA
...at first, i couldn't make sense of what was happening to my safcom airtime, but now i have tried, tested and confirmed. anyone else been bitten so?...
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what do you guyz expect? You divert and then they pay for you the cost of diversion? Diverting your calls is like calling the number you are diverting to when someone calls you - it can never be free - and this is the norm all world round, not unique to sufferingcon ./Ok3ch On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
Seems pretty normal to me . . Afterall you are making safaricom call zain through your line . . Thus you should pay for it. .
On 11/9/09, James Kagwe <kagwejg@gmail.com> wrote:
has been there for years....I discovered a while ago. I don't know why but just hope smtg could be done about it.
MotoBaridi wrote:
...noticed something weird with safaricom: 1: when i divert my safcom line to another network, my safcom airtime gets deducted EVERY TIME i receive a diverted call (on the other line) 2: when my safcom line HAS NO AIRTIME, and is diverted to another line, safcom declares me MTEJA
...at first, i couldn't make sense of what was happening to my safcom airtime, but now i have tried, tested and confirmed. anyone else been bitten so?...
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I think we are missing the point. Say you call 0722*****1 which is diverted to 0722*****2 from your line 0722*****3, what Safaricom does is that you are charged for the call on your line 0722*****3 and also on line 0722*****1. Meaning that you pay double for the same call. I would compare this to what in telecom was reffered to as a pilot line setup, which I'm not sure still exists. An organisation with several corporate telephone lines used to identify one as the pilot line and all calls to that line would be automatically diverted to any other free line so that client would only memorise one simple line instead of many corporate lines. Telecom if my memory serves me right never used to charge for this service and even if they did it was a one off cost. What Safaricom is doing is not fair. my thots Okechukwu wrote:
what do you guyz expect? You divert and then they pay for you the cost of diversion? Diverting your calls is like calling the number you are diverting to when someone calls you - it can never be free - and this is the norm all world round, not unique to sufferingcon
./Ok3ch
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
Seems pretty normal to me . . Afterall you are making safaricom call zain through your line . . Thus you should pay for it. .
On 11/9/09, James Kagwe <kagwejg@gmail.com> wrote:
has been there for years....I discovered a while ago. I don't know why but just hope smtg could be done about it.
MotoBaridi wrote:
...noticed something weird with safaricom: 1: when i divert my safcom line to another network, my safcom airtime gets deducted EVERY TIME i receive a diverted call (on the other line) 2: when my safcom line HAS NO AIRTIME, and is diverted to another line, safcom declares me MTEJA
...at first, i couldn't make sense of what was happening to my safcom airtime, but now i have tried, tested and confirmed. anyone else been bitten so?...
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chargeable Call Diverts have been there from 2002/3. On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 8:06 AM, James Kagwe <kagwejg@gmail.com> wrote:
I think we are missing the point. Say you call 0722*****1 which is diverted to 0722*****2 from your line 0722*****3, what Safaricom does is that you are charged for the call on your line 0722*****3 and also on line 0722*****1. Meaning that you pay double for the same call.
I would compare this to what in telecom was reffered to as a pilot line setup, which I'm not sure still exists. An organisation with several corporate telephone lines used to identify one as the pilot line and all calls to that line would be automatically diverted to any other free line so that client would only memorise one simple line instead of many corporate lines.
Telecom if my memory serves me right never used to charge for this service and even if they did it was a one off cost. What Safaricom is doing is not fair.
my thots
Okechukwu wrote:
what do you guyz expect? You divert and then they pay for you the cost of diversion? Diverting your calls is like calling the number you are diverting to when someone calls you - it can never be free - and this is the norm all world round, not unique to sufferingcon
./Ok3ch
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
Seems pretty normal to me . . Afterall you are making safaricom call zain through your line . . Thus you should pay for it. .
On 11/9/09, James Kagwe <kagwejg@gmail.com> wrote:
has been there for years....I discovered a while ago. I don't know why but just hope smtg could be done about it.
MotoBaridi wrote:
...noticed something weird with safaricom: 1: when i divert my safcom line to another network, my safcom airtime gets deducted EVERY TIME i receive a diverted call (on the other line) 2: when my safcom line HAS NO AIRTIME, and is diverted to another line, safcom declares me MTEJA
...at first, i couldn't make sense of what was happening to my safcom airtime, but now i have tried, tested and confirmed. anyone else been bitten so?...
<motobaridi>
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I thought, if you divert your incoming calls from 072*******1 to another number on the same network, it should not be charged, but if you divert to another network, you are liable to be charged, singularly or double. My few queer thoughts On 10/11/2009, Eric Mugo <kabugum@gmail.com> wrote:
chargeable Call Diverts have been there from 2002/3.
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 8:06 AM, James Kagwe <kagwejg@gmail.com> wrote:
I think we are missing the point. Say you call 0722*****1 which is diverted to 0722*****2 from your line 0722*****3, what Safaricom does is that you are charged for the call on your line 0722*****3 and also on line 0722*****1. Meaning that you pay double for the same call.
I would compare this to what in telecom was reffered to as a pilot line setup, which I'm not sure still exists. An organisation with several corporate telephone lines used to identify one as the pilot line and all calls to that line would be automatically diverted to any other free line so that client would only memorise one simple line instead of many corporate lines.
Telecom if my memory serves me right never used to charge for this service and even if they did it was a one off cost. What Safaricom is doing is not fair.
my thots
Okechukwu wrote:
what do you guyz expect? You divert and then they pay for you the cost of diversion? Diverting your calls is like calling the number you are diverting to when someone calls you - it can never be free - and this is the norm all world round, not unique to sufferingcon
./Ok3ch
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
Seems pretty normal to me . . Afterall you are making safaricom call zain through your line . . Thus you should pay for it. .
On 11/9/09, James Kagwe <kagwejg@gmail.com> wrote:
has been there for years....I discovered a while ago. I don't know why but just hope smtg could be done about it.
MotoBaridi wrote:
...noticed something weird with safaricom: 1: when i divert my safcom line to another network, my safcom airtime gets deducted EVERY TIME i receive a diverted call (on the other line) 2: when my safcom line HAS NO AIRTIME, and is diverted to another line, safcom declares me MTEJA
...at first, i couldn't make sense of what was happening to my safcom airtime, but now i have tried, tested and confirmed. anyone else been bitten so?...
<motobaridi>
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James if I get you right, that service is available. A number (usually a PABX) is set up in the HLR and the IN as well and ofcourse the MSCs/MSSs. When you dial the number the HLR returns a msg with a flag indicating n numbers are available for that number. so what happens is that customers only have one number to dial but the number itself is linked to other predefined numbers in a pool , so when the primary number is not available it picks the next in the pool (defined in the IN) and so on in a round robbin manner. but you have to pay of it since its the same as a normal MTC. On 10/11/2009, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
I thought, if you divert your incoming calls from 072*******1 to another number on the same network, it should not be charged, but if you divert to another network, you are liable to be charged, singularly or double.
My few queer thoughts
On 10/11/2009, Eric Mugo <kabugum@gmail.com> wrote:
chargeable Call Diverts have been there from 2002/3.
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 8:06 AM, James Kagwe <kagwejg@gmail.com> wrote:
I think we are missing the point. Say you call 0722*****1 which is diverted to 0722*****2 from your line 0722*****3, what Safaricom does is that you are charged for the call on your line 0722*****3 and also on line 0722*****1. Meaning that you pay double for the same call.
I would compare this to what in telecom was reffered to as a pilot line setup, which I'm not sure still exists. An organisation with several corporate telephone lines used to identify one as the pilot line and all calls to that line would be automatically diverted to any other free line so that client would only memorise one simple line instead of many corporate lines.
Telecom if my memory serves me right never used to charge for this service and even if they did it was a one off cost. What Safaricom is doing is not fair.
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Okechukwu wrote:
what do you guyz expect? You divert and then they pay for you the cost of diversion? Diverting your calls is like calling the number you are diverting to when someone calls you - it can never be free - and this is the norm all world round, not unique to sufferingcon
./Ok3ch
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
Seems pretty normal to me . . Afterall you are making safaricom call zain through your line . . Thus you should pay for it. .
On 11/9/09, James Kagwe <kagwejg@gmail.com> wrote:
has been there for years....I discovered a while ago. I don't know why but just hope smtg could be done about it.
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If you call 0722*****1 which is diverted to 0722*****2 from your line 0722*****3, then 3 gets charged the cost to call 1, and 1 gets charged the cost to call 2 since in effect 3 calls 1 who instead forwards the call to 2 - if you use a cross network example then you will understand that at each case, a call must be setup and that is what is costly. ./Ok3ch On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 8:06 AM, James Kagwe <kagwejg@gmail.com> wrote:
I think we are missing the point. Say you call 0722*****1 which is diverted to 0722*****2 from your line 0722*****3, what Safaricom does is that you are charged for the call on your line 0722*****3 and also on line 0722*****1. Meaning that you pay double for the same call.
I would compare this to what in telecom was reffered to as a pilot line setup, which I'm not sure still exists. An organisation with several corporate telephone lines used to identify one as the pilot line and all calls to that line would be automatically diverted to any other free line so that client would only memorise one simple line instead of many corporate lines.
Telecom if my memory serves me right never used to charge for this service and even if they did it was a one off cost. What Safaricom is doing is not fair.
my thots
Okechukwu wrote:
what do you guyz expect? You divert and then they pay for you the cost of diversion? Diverting your calls is like calling the number you are diverting to when someone calls you - it can never be free - and this is the norm all world round, not unique to sufferingcon
./Ok3ch
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
Seems pretty normal to me . . Afterall you are making safaricom call zain through your line . . Thus you should pay for it. .
On 11/9/09, James Kagwe <kagwejg@gmail.com> wrote:
has been there for years....I discovered a while ago. I don't know why but just hope smtg could be done about it.
MotoBaridi wrote:
...noticed something weird with safaricom: 1: when i divert my safcom line to another network, my safcom airtime gets deducted EVERY TIME i receive a diverted call (on the other line) 2: when my safcom line HAS NO AIRTIME, and is diverted to another line, safcom declares me MTEJA
...at first, i couldn't make sense of what was happening to my safcom airtime, but now i have tried, tested and confirmed. anyone else been bitten so?...
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Its all about resources.... Start a circuit switched call, it follows certain hops [meaning you call one simcard, which diverts to another etc] , each hop initiates a Charging Data Record for each SIM card- these calls can either be charged to the user initiating the call [which is a bit unfair, if its not an international call] or it can be divided up and charged to those SIMs... So, they choose to divide it up and charge to those SIMs - because, then they would ask the question : What if the SIM diverting is not yours ? == They wouldnt know if it belongs to the same person or different person; unless we do number registration or a certain "service" to identify one user and map hi/her several numbers. Which means the system has to be created and integrated into network, which again means investing in a network service that may or may not fetch revenue but which will cost billions cause they have to alter the way they charge for calls [this means the IN and part of Core]... which brings us to the question : Is it worth it to invest in this service [costing billions] of allowing users to register several SIMs within the networks to allow for free diversions within the network ? Will the other networks agree to join for this free diversion of calls if these SIM cards are owned by the same person and other pple want to reach him on whatever network he/she is in ? My 70 cents.
I find this normal...Think of this Lines are open in my office to call my cellphone at anytime for any length of time by anyone in the company.Then if it is free for me to make diverts,what happens when I want to make many calls to my friends and relatives etc using the office phones allowed to call my cellphone?I just divert my calls to the person I want to call and I use company resources.Does it make any sense? My thoughts On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:29 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
Its all about resources....
Start a circuit switched call, it follows certain hops [meaning you call one simcard, which diverts to another etc] , each hop initiates a Charging Data Record for each SIM card- these calls can either be charged to the user initiating the call [which is a bit unfair, if its not an international call] or it can be divided up and charged to those SIMs...
So, they choose to divide it up and charge to those SIMs - because, then they would ask the question : What if the SIM diverting is not yours ?
==
They wouldnt know if it belongs to the same person or different person; unless we do number registration or a certain "service" to identify one user and map hi/her several numbers. Which means the system has to be created and integrated into network, which again means investing in a network service that may or may not fetch revenue but which will cost billions cause they have to alter the way they charge for calls [this means the IN and part of Core]... which brings us to the question :
Is it worth it to invest in this service [costing billions] of allowing users to register several SIMs within the networks to allow for free diversions within the network ? Will the other networks agree to join for this free diversion of calls if these SIM cards are owned by the same person and other pple want to reach him on whatever network he/she is in ?
My 70 cents.
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I find this normal...Think of this
Lines are open in my office to call my cellphone at anytime for any length of time by anyone in the company.Then if it is free for me to make diverts,what happens when I want to make many calls to my friends and relatives etc using the office phones allowed to call my cellphone?I just divert my calls to the person I want to call and I use company resources.Does it make any sense?
My thoughts
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:29 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
Its all about resources....
Start a circuit switched call, it follows certain hops [meaning you call one simcard, which diverts to another etc] , each hop initiates a Charging Data Record for each SIM card- these calls can either be charged to the user initiating the call [which is a bit unfair, if its not an international call] or it can be divided up and charged to those SIMs...
So, they choose to divide it up and charge to those SIMs - because, then they would ask the question : What if the SIM diverting is not yours ?
==
They wouldnt know if it belongs to the same person or different person; unless we do number registration or a certain "service" to identify one user and map hi/her several numbers. Which means the system has to be created and integrated into network, which again means investing in a network service that may or may not fetch revenue but which will cost billions cause they have to alter the way they charge for calls [this means the IN and part of Core]... which brings us to the question :
Is it worth it to invest in this service [costing billions] of allowing users to register several SIMs within the networks to allow for free diversions within the network ? Will the other networks agree to join for this free diversion of calls if these SIM cards are owned by the same person and other pple want to reach him on whatever network he/she is in ?
My 70 cents.
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But we also need to consider some of the reasons why we divert calls. One among many is for business reasons where you might be having a briefcase business with a phone line 0722*****1 and your personal line is 0722*****2. In case you do not want to keep carrying two phones (personal and business) and do not want to in vest in a duo-sim phone you divert all the calls on 0722*****1 to 0722*****2 to make sure you do not miss any business calls. I think this is adavid gathu wrote:
@net
that's so true. humans are smart
2009/11/11 Net Net <bgp.peers@gmail.com <mailto:bgp.peers@gmail.com>>
I find this normal...Think of this
Lines are open in my office to call my cellphone at anytime for any length of time by anyone in the company.Then if it is free for me to make diverts,what happens when I want to make many calls to my friends and relatives etc using the office phones allowed to call my cellphone?I just divert my calls to the person I want to call and I use company resources.Does it make any sense?
My thoughts
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:29 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com <mailto:ndungustephen@gmail.com>> wrote:
Its all about resources....
Start a circuit switched call, it follows certain hops [meaning you call one simcard, which diverts to another etc] , each hop initiates a Charging Data Record for each SIM card- these calls can either be charged to the user initiating the call [which is a bit unfair, if its not an international call] or it can be divided up and charged to those SIMs...
So, they choose to divide it up and charge to those SIMs - because, then they would ask the question : What if the SIM diverting is not yours ?
==
They wouldnt know if it belongs to the same person or different person; unless we do number registration or a certain "service" to identify one user and map hi/her several numbers. Which means the system has to be created and integrated into network, which again means investing in a network service that may or may not fetch revenue but which will cost billions cause they have to alter the way they charge for calls [this means the IN and part of Core]... which brings us to the question :
Is it worth it to invest in this service [costing billions] of allowing users to register several SIMs within the networks to allow for free diversions within the network ? Will the other networks agree to join for this free diversion of calls if these SIM cards are owned by the same person and other pple want to reach him on whatever network he/she is in ?
My 70 cents.
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and its also purely for business that the Telco's charge for that service - since it costs to set up a call ./Ok3ch On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 8:35 AM, James Kagwe <kagwejg@gmail.com> wrote:
But we also need to consider some of the reasons why we divert calls. One among many is for business reasons where you might be having a briefcase business with a phone line 0722*****1 and your personal line is 0722*****2. In case you do not want to keep carrying two phones (personal and business) and do not want to in vest in a duo-sim phone you divert all the calls on 0722*****1 to 0722*****2 to make sure you do not miss any business calls.
I think this is adavid gathu wrote:
@net
that's so true. humans are smart
2009/11/11 Net Net <bgp.peers@gmail.com <mailto:bgp.peers@gmail.com>>
I find this normal...Think of this
Lines are open in my office to call my cellphone at anytime for any length of time by anyone in the company.Then if it is free for me to make diverts,what happens when I want to make many calls to my friends and relatives etc using the office phones allowed to call my cellphone?I just divert my calls to the person I want to call and I use company resources.Does it make any sense?
My thoughts
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:29 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com <mailto:ndungustephen@gmail.com>> wrote:
Its all about resources....
Start a circuit switched call, it follows certain hops [meaning you call one simcard, which diverts to another etc] , each hop initiates a Charging Data Record for each SIM card- these calls can either be charged to the user initiating the call [which is a bit unfair, if its not an international call] or it can be divided up and charged to those SIMs...
So, they choose to divide it up and charge to those SIMs - because, then they would ask the question : What if the SIM diverting is not yours ?
==
They wouldnt know if it belongs to the same person or different person; unless we do number registration or a certain "service" to identify one user and map hi/her several numbers. Which means the system has to be created and integrated into network, which again means investing in a network service that may or may not fetch revenue but which will cost billions cause they have to alter the way they charge for calls [this means the IN and part of Core]... which brings us to the question :
Is it worth it to invest in this service [costing billions] of allowing users to register several SIMs within the networks to allow for free diversions within the network ? Will the other networks agree to join for this free diversion of calls if these SIM cards are owned by the same person and other pple want to reach him on whatever network he/she is in ?
My 70 cents.
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the line that initiates the call, pays for it, period! On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
and its also purely for business that the Telco's charge for that service - since it costs to set up a call
./Ok3ch
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 8:35 AM, James Kagwe <kagwejg@gmail.com> wrote:
But we also need to consider some of the reasons why we divert calls. One among many is for business reasons where you might be having a briefcase business with a phone line 0722*****1 and your personal line is 0722*****2. In case you do not want to keep carrying two phones (personal and business) and do not want to in vest in a duo-sim phone you divert all the calls on 0722*****1 to 0722*****2 to make sure you do not miss any business calls.
I think this is adavid gathu wrote:
@net
that's so true. humans are smart
2009/11/11 Net Net <bgp.peers@gmail.com <mailto:bgp.peers@gmail.com>>
I find this normal...Think of this
Lines are open in my office to call my cellphone at anytime for any length of time by anyone in the company.Then if it is free for me to make diverts,what happens when I want to make many calls to my friends and relatives etc using the office phones allowed to call my cellphone?I just divert my calls to the person I want to call and I use company resources.Does it make any sense?
My thoughts
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:29 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com <mailto:ndungustephen@gmail.com>> wrote:
Its all about resources....
Start a circuit switched call, it follows certain hops [meaning you call one simcard, which diverts to another etc] , each hop initiates a Charging Data Record for each SIM card- these calls can either be charged to the user initiating the call [which is a bit unfair, if its not an international call] or it can be divided up and charged to those SIMs...
So, they choose to divide it up and charge to those SIMs - because, then they would ask the question : What if the SIM diverting is not yours ?
==
They wouldnt know if it belongs to the same person or different person; unless we do number registration or a certain "service" to identify one user and map hi/her several numbers. Which means the system has to be created and integrated into network, which again means investing in a network service that may or may not fetch revenue but which will cost billions cause they have to alter the way they charge for calls [this means the IN and part of Core]... which brings us to the question :
Is it worth it to invest in this service [costing billions] of allowing users to register several SIMs within the networks to allow for free diversions within the network ? Will the other networks agree to join for this free diversion of calls if these SIM cards are owned by the same person and other pple want to reach him on whatever network he/she is in ?
My 70 cents.
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Its actually very ok this scenario. A calls B who has diverted calls to C
From a network point of view (Switching and Billing) we have two calls here. The first call is A to B and the second call B is calling C. A may not know that his call is diverted if there are no corresponding announcements put on the switch to relay such info. The only Party who does not pay here is C. Note that CDR (Call Detail Records) are generated for both calls. B must have airtime to initiate a call to C. This scenario has been there since Kencell and Safcom launced.
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Francis Okinyo <okinyo@gmail.com> wrote:
the line that initiates the call, pays for it, period!
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
and its also purely for business that the Telco's charge for that service - since it costs to set up a call all ./Ok3ch
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 8:35 AM, James Kagwe <kagwejg@gmail.com> wrote:
But we also need to consider some of the reasons why we divert calls. One among many is for business reasons where you might be having a briefcase business with a phone line 0722*****1 and your personal line is 0722*****2. In case you do not want to keep carrying two phones (personal and business) and do not want to in vest in a duo-sim phone you divert all the calls on 0722*****1 to 0722*****2 to make sure you do not miss any business calls.
I think this is adavid gathu wrote:
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that's so true. humans are smart
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I find this normal...Think of this
Lines are open in my office to call my cellphone at anytime for any length of time by anyone in the company.Then if it is free for me to make diverts,what happens when I want to make many calls to my friends and relatives etc using the office phones allowed to call my cellphone?I just divert my calls to the person I want to call and I use company resources.Does it make any sense?
My thoughts
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:29 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com <mailto:ndungustephen@gmail.com>> wrote:
Its all about resources....
Start a circuit switched call, it follows certain hops [meaning you call one simcard, which diverts to another etc] , each hop initiates a Charging Data Record for each SIM card- these calls can either be charged to the user initiating the call [which is a bit unfair, if its not an international call] or it can be divided up and charged to those SIMs...
So, they choose to divide it up and charge to those SIMs - because, then they would ask the question : What if the SIM diverting is not yours ?
==
They wouldnt know if it belongs to the same person or different person; unless we do number registration or a certain "service" to identify one user and map hi/her several numbers. Which means the system has to be created and integrated into network, which again means investing in a network service that may or may not fetch revenue but which will cost billions cause they have to alter the way they charge for calls [this means the IN and part of Core]... which brings us to the question :
Is it worth it to invest in this service [costing billions] of allowing users to register several SIMs within the networks to allow for free diversions within the network ? Will the other networks agree to join for this free diversion of calls if these SIM cards are owned by the same person and other pple want to reach him on whatever network he/she is in ?
My 70 cents.
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A should be charged upto point B and B is charged for the call to C. i guess that would be fair On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 8:28 AM, Joram Gachuiri <jgachuirii@gmail.com>wrote:
Its actually very ok this scenario. A calls B who has diverted calls to C From a network point of view (Switching and Billing) we have two calls here. The first call is A to B and the second call B is calling C. A may not know that his call is diverted if there are no corresponding announcements put on the switch to relay such info. The only Party who does not pay here is C. Note that CDR (Call Detail Records) are generated for both calls. B must have airtime to initiate a call to C. This scenario has been there since Kencell and Safcom launced.
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Francis Okinyo <okinyo@gmail.com> wrote:
the line that initiates the call, pays for it, period!
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
and its also purely for business that the Telco's charge for that service - since it costs to set up a call all ./Ok3ch
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 8:35 AM, James Kagwe <kagwejg@gmail.com> wrote:
But we also need to consider some of the reasons why we divert calls. One among many is for business reasons where you might be having a briefcase business with a phone line 0722*****1 and your personal line is 0722*****2. In case you do not want to keep carrying two phones (personal and business) and do not want to in vest in a duo-sim phone you divert all the calls on 0722*****1 to 0722*****2 to make sure you do not miss any business calls.
I think this is adavid gathu wrote:
@net
that's so true. humans are smart
2009/11/11 Net Net <bgp.peers@gmail.com <mailto:bgp.peers@gmail.com>>
I find this normal...Think of this
Lines are open in my office to call my cellphone at anytime for any length of time by anyone in the company.Then if it is free for me to make diverts,what happens when I want to make many calls to my friends and relatives etc using the office phones allowed to call my cellphone?I just divert my calls to the person I want to call and I use company resources.Does it make any sense?
My thoughts
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:29 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com <mailto:ndungustephen@gmail.com>> wrote:
Its all about resources....
Start a circuit switched call, it follows certain hops [meaning you call one simcard, which diverts to another etc] , each hop initiates a Charging Data Record for each SIM card- these calls can either be charged to the user initiating the call [which is a bit unfair, if its not an international call] or it can be divided up and charged to those SIMs...
So, they choose to divide it up and charge to those SIMs - because, then they would ask the question : What if the SIM diverting is not yours ?
==
They wouldnt know if it belongs to the same person or different person; unless we do number registration or a certain "service" to identify one user and map hi/her several numbers. Which means the system has to be created and integrated into network, which again means investing in a network service that may or may not fetch revenue but which will cost billions cause they have to alter the way they charge for calls [this means the IN and part of Core]... which brings us to the question :
Is it worth it to invest in this service [costing billions] of allowing users to register several SIMs within the networks to allow for free diversions within the network ? Will the other networks agree to join for this free diversion of calls if these SIM cards are owned by the same person and other pple want to reach him on whatever network he/she is in ?
My 70 cents.
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Moto Baridi You have no case here. For call diverts, the networks charge the number diverted to and the number diverted from. So if you have no cash on number diverted from then lazima uwe mteja Theus On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 4:28 PM, MotoBaridi <motobaridi@gmail.com> wrote:
...noticed something weird with safaricom: 1: when i divert my safcom line to another network, my safcom airtime gets deducted EVERY TIME i receive a diverted call (on the other line) 2: when my safcom line HAS NO AIRTIME, and is diverted to another line, safcom declares me MTEJA
...at first, i couldn't make sense of what was happening to my safcom airtime, but now i have tried, tested and confirmed. anyone else been bitten so?...
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Theo your right !! They began doing this years back when guys were hoarding many sim cards.... On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Theus Owicho <owichot@gmail.com> wrote:
Moto Baridi
You have no case here. For call diverts, the networks charge the number diverted to and the number diverted from. So if you have no cash on number diverted from then lazima uwe mteja
Theus
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 4:28 PM, MotoBaridi <motobaridi@gmail.com> wrote:
...noticed something weird with safaricom: 1: when i divert my safcom line to another network, my safcom airtime gets deducted EVERY TIME i receive a diverted call (on the other line) 2: when my safcom line HAS NO AIRTIME, and is diverted to another line, safcom declares me MTEJA
...at first, i couldn't make sense of what was happening to my safcom airtime, but now i have tried, tested and confirmed. anyone else been bitten so?...
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Its also fair that the Bparty pays for the diversion to CParty simply because the Aparty is not expected to know forehand whether Bparty has a diversion and to which network [affecting cost]. Thus should Bparty establish an expensive diversion to CParty, Aparty will not be affected [Aparty will pay for the cost to BParty only, which he/she knows the amount]. On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>wrote:
Theo your right !!
They began doing this years back when guys were hoarding many sim cards....
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Theus Owicho <owichot@gmail.com> wrote:
Moto Baridi
You have no case here. For call diverts, the networks charge the number diverted to and the number diverted from. So if you have no cash on number diverted from then lazima uwe mteja
Theus
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 4:28 PM, MotoBaridi <motobaridi@gmail.com> wrote:
...noticed something weird with safaricom: 1: when i divert my safcom line to another network, my safcom airtime
gets
deducted EVERY TIME i receive a diverted call (on the other line) 2: when my safcom line HAS NO AIRTIME, and is diverted to another line, safcom declares me MTEJA
...at first, i couldn't make sense of what was happening to my safcom airtime, but now i have tried, tested and confirmed. anyone else been bitten so?...
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A calls B, B has call forwarding active to C. In any GSM call, there are two parts, The Mobile Originating call (MOC) and the Mobile terminating Call (MTC). Two sets of CDRs are generated for the same call, the MOC and the MTC part. <------------------------MOC-----------------------------> | | <----------------------MTC----------------------------> | A <----------->RNC/BSC <--------------> MSC(A) <-------> MSC (B) <------------->RNC/BSC <-----------> B MSC(A) serves subscriber A, MSC(B) serves subscriber B. ********************************************************************* In my opinion, Call forwarding is just another smart way of making money from subscribers. If A, B and C are on safaricom network, A pays 8 bob to call B (MOC), and then B will pay 8 bob to diver the call to C(MTC). So safaricom ends up getting 16 bob/min for one call. Take a scenerio where B and C are on different networks. If A and B are in safaricom, and C is on Yu, the A will pay 8 bob to get to B (MOC), and B will pay the 15 bob to call C (MTC). In this scenerio, Safaricom will get 23 bob/min for one call. In both cases, A pays for a 'non-existent' part of the call (MTC) and B pays for a 'non-existent' part of the call (MOC). In terms of actual traffic flow, there is little or no difference btn a call from A-B-C, and from A-C directly. Yes, there is additional signalling introduced by the call forwarding. At the end of the day for voice calls, the subscriber is charged for actual traffic, never for the signalling. ********************************************************************* Looking at it from a business perspective, it makes sense to charge someone for the call forwarding service, after all, there are costs associated with it. My contention is that they are charging for the service in the wrong way. This is what would make sense / be fair to me, as an informed consumer.... A should pay for normal cost of call to B. However, charges levied on B should be: If B and C are on same network, a standing charge *x* per call, to cater for overheads of the service, but no charge per minute if B and C are on same network, a standing charge *x *plus a charge *y *per second/minute to cater for the interconnection part of the call. However, this amount *y* should be less than the full cost of making call from network of B to network of C. Just my thoughts. Tito.
hey guys @ moto baridi I think you have a need to worry. I have a software in my phone that I use as a switchboard, 1. I forward several a maximum of 4 calls from caller A who calls me. 2.the number that forwards the call is my number so the recievers see my number though am not the original caller. but the number that calls me is charged but me the forwarder/switchboard am not charged. so y does the diverted call charged.I think there is a ??????? On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 4:28 PM, MotoBaridi <motobaridi@gmail.com> wrote:
...noticed something weird with safaricom: 1: when i divert my safcom line to another network, my safcom airtime gets deducted EVERY TIME i receive a diverted call (on the other line) 2: when my safcom line HAS NO AIRTIME, and is diverted to another line, safcom declares me MTEJA
...at first, i couldn't make sense of what was happening to my safcom airtime, but now i have tried, tested and confirmed. anyone else been bitten so?...
<motobaridi>
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Excuse me Pliz....Is your phone off when your forwarding the calls? On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 3:57 PM, excuseme yespliz <xgetbusy@gmail.com> wrote:
hey guys
@ moto baridi I think you have a need to worry.
I have a software in my phone that I use as a switchboard, 1. I forward several a maximum of 4 calls from caller A who calls me. 2.the number that forwards the call is my number so the recievers see my number though am not the original caller.
but the number that calls me is charged but me the forwarder/switchboard am not charged.
so y does the diverted call charged.I think there is a ???????
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 4:28 PM, MotoBaridi <motobaridi@gmail.com> wrote:
...noticed something weird with safaricom: 1: when i divert my safcom line to another network, my safcom airtime gets deducted EVERY TIME i receive a diverted call (on the other line) 2: when my safcom line HAS NO AIRTIME, and is diverted to another line, safcom declares me MTEJA
...at first, i couldn't make sense of what was happening to my safcom airtime, but now i have tried, tested and confirmed. anyone else been bitten so?...
<motobaridi>
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not at all actually i can hear the conversations if on handsfree On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>wrote:
Excuse me Pliz....Is your phone off when your forwarding the calls?
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 3:57 PM, excuseme yespliz <xgetbusy@gmail.com> wrote:
hey guys
@ moto baridi I think you have a need to worry.
I have a software in my phone that I use as a switchboard, 1. I forward several a maximum of 4 calls from caller A who calls me. 2.the number that forwards the call is my number so the recievers see my number though am not the original caller.
but the number that calls me is charged but me the forwarder/switchboard am not charged.
so y does the diverted call charged.I think there is a ???????
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 4:28 PM, MotoBaridi <motobaridi@gmail.com> wrote:
...noticed something weird with safaricom: 1: when i divert my safcom line to another network, my safcom airtime
gets
deducted EVERY TIME i receive a diverted call (on the other line) 2: when my safcom line HAS NO AIRTIME, and is diverted to another line, safcom declares me MTEJA
...at first, i couldn't make sense of what was happening to my safcom airtime, but now i have tried, tested and confirmed. anyone else been bitten so?...
<motobaridi>
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Interesting...whats the name of the software? On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:42 PM, excuseme yespliz <xgetbusy@gmail.com> wrote:
not at all actually i can hear the conversations if on handsfree
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
Excuse me Pliz....Is your phone off when your forwarding the calls?
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 3:57 PM, excuseme yespliz <xgetbusy@gmail.com> wrote:
hey guys
@ moto baridi I think you have a need to worry.
I have a software in my phone that I use as a switchboard, 1. I forward several a maximum of 4 calls from caller A who calls me. 2.the number that forwards the call is my number so the recievers see my number though am not the original caller.
but the number that calls me is charged but me the forwarder/switchboard am not charged.
so y does the diverted call charged.I think there is a ???????
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 4:28 PM, MotoBaridi <motobaridi@gmail.com> wrote:
...noticed something weird with safaricom: 1: when i divert my safcom line to another network, my safcom airtime gets deducted EVERY TIME i receive a diverted call (on the other line) 2: when my safcom line HAS NO AIRTIME, and is diverted to another line, safcom declares me MTEJA
...at first, i couldn't make sense of what was happening to my safcom airtime, but now i have tried, tested and confirmed. anyone else been bitten so?...
<motobaridi>
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this is deadly av had it since 2005 it has many features,blacklisting specific callers,hidden messagebox,ans machine,corporate telephony, na zigine mob thot is a common ware among skunks, nway it called interactive voice call manager On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>wrote:
Interesting...whats the name of the software?
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:42 PM, excuseme yespliz <xgetbusy@gmail.com> wrote:
not at all actually i can hear the conversations if on handsfree
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com
wrote:
Excuse me Pliz....Is your phone off when your forwarding the calls?
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 3:57 PM, excuseme yespliz <xgetbusy@gmail.com> wrote:
hey guys
@ moto baridi I think you have a need to worry.
I have a software in my phone that I use as a switchboard, 1. I forward several a maximum of 4 calls from caller A who calls me. 2.the number that forwards the call is my number so the recievers see
my
number though am not the original caller.
but the number that calls me is charged but me the forwarder/switchboard am not charged.
so y does the diverted call charged.I think there is a ???????
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 4:28 PM, MotoBaridi <motobaridi@gmail.com> wrote:
...noticed something weird with safaricom: 1: when i divert my safcom line to another network, my safcom airtime gets deducted EVERY TIME i receive a diverted call (on the other line) 2: when my safcom line HAS NO AIRTIME, and is diverted to another
line,
safcom declares me MTEJA
...at first, i couldn't make sense of what was happening to my safcom airtime, but now i have tried, tested and confirmed. anyone else been bitten so?...
<motobaridi>
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