The prepaid system is a good idea but we need to know how the units are allocated. The entire formula should be published every month as they keep changing based on the exchange rates and other factors. They need to account. On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Thuo Wilson <lixton@gmail.com> wrote:

its never the same. High time they provided a portal where we can get their matrixes. What they provide when installing is vague.

Kind Regards, Wilson./

On 7 February 2014 11:39, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Hey all,

I am rather confused by the rates used by Kenya Power for issuing power units. 2000 /- does not get you a consistent no. of units yet the exchange rate is rather stable. Just this morning 2,000 bob got me 117 units which lasts about 12 days at 10 units a day.

How much do listers get? Is it consistent?

I also think they have zones with Westlands paying way more than Eastlands.

-- Regards,

Mark Mwangi

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I totally agree with you Jimmy....Just as the the fuel prices changes are published/announced every mid month as is with the current trend...KPLC should also be publishing/announcing the estimated if not actual units one should expect whenever clients are buying the the tokes. Alex Gabriel On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Jimmy Thuo <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com> wrote:

To me the whole system is suspect. There is something fishy about it. This formula should not be a secret if at all it was genuine. I should actually be able to calculate how many units I want and pay for exactly that.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:56 AM, ambrose kimaiyo <mail2ambrose@gmail.com>wrote:

...

The prepaid system is a good idea but we need to know how the units are allocated. The entire formula should be published every month as they keep changing based on the exchange rates and other factors. They need to account.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Thuo Wilson <lixton@gmail.com> wrote:

...

its never the same. High time they provided a portal where we can get their matrixes. What they provide when installing is vague.

Kind Regards, Wilson./

On 7 February 2014 11:39, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Hey all,

I am rather confused by the rates used by Kenya Power for issuing power units. 2000 /- does not get you a consistent no. of units yet the exchange rate is rather stable. Just this morning 2,000 bob got me 117 units which lasts about 12 days at 10 units a day.

How much do listers get? Is it consistent?

I also think they have zones with Westlands paying way more than Eastlands.

-- Regards,

Mark Mwangi

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Mr.Ambrose I totally support you..tweeter is the way to go?Let us make it a trending topic. Who wants to take full leadership and come up with a harsh tag?By all means there is definitely a huge number of Kenyan's who would love to get the monthly calculation formula. Alex Gabriel On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:22 PM, ambrose kimaiyo <mail2ambrose@gmail.com>wrote:

Lets take this issue to twitter, I am sure there are many more Kenyans in need of answers to similar question. Lets petition kplc to publish their monthly formula.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Alex Gabriel <alexgabbie@gmail.com>wrote:

...

I totally agree with you Jimmy....Just as the the fuel prices changes are published/announced every mid month as is with the current trend...KPLC should also be publishing/announcing the estimated if not actual units one should expect whenever clients are buying the the tokes.

Alex Gabriel

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Jimmy Thuo <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com> wrote:

...

To me the whole system is suspect. There is something fishy about it. This formula should not be a secret if at all it was genuine. I should actually be able to calculate how many units I want and pay for exactly that.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:56 AM, ambrose kimaiyo <mail2ambrose@gmail.com

...

wrote:

...

The prepaid system is a good idea but we need to know how the units are allocated. The entire formula should be published every month as they keep changing based on the exchange rates and other factors. They need to account.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Thuo Wilson <lixton@gmail.com> wrote:

...

its never the same. High time they provided a portal where we can get their matrixes. What they provide when installing is vague.

Kind Regards, Wilson./

On 7 February 2014 11:39, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Hey all,

I am rather confused by the rates used by Kenya Power for issuing power units. 2000 /- does not get you a consistent no. of units yet the exchange rate is rather stable. Just this morning 2,000 bob got me 117 units which lasts about 12 days at 10 units a day.

How much do listers get? Is it consistent?

I also think they have zones with Westlands paying way more than Eastlands.

-- Regards,

Mark Mwangi

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I think #kplctokenformula would work. Can we get more suggestions then we can start it off. On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Jimmy Thuo <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com> wrote:

My hashtag suggestions

#DiscloseKPLCTokenFormula

#WeWantKPLCPrepaidFormula

#KPLCTokenFormula

I had raised the issue with Cofek but it landed on deaf ears.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Alex Gabriel <alexgabbie@gmail.com>wrote:

...

Mr.Ambrose I totally support you..tweeter is the way to go?Let us make it a trending topic.

Who wants to take full leadership and come up with a harsh tag?By all means there is definitely a huge number of Kenyan's who would love to get the monthly calculation formula.

Alex Gabriel

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:22 PM, ambrose kimaiyo <mail2ambrose@gmail.com>wrote:

...

Lets take this issue to twitter, I am sure there are many more Kenyans in need of answers to similar question. Lets petition kplc to publish their monthly formula.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Alex Gabriel <alexgabbie@gmail.com>wrote:

...

I totally agree with you Jimmy....Just as the the fuel prices changes are published/announced every mid month as is with the current trend...KPLC should also be publishing/announcing the estimated if not actual units one should expect whenever clients are buying the the tokes.

Alex Gabriel

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Jimmy Thuo <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com>wrote:

...

To me the whole system is suspect. There is something fishy about it. This formula should not be a secret if at all it was genuine. I should actually be able to calculate how many units I want and pay for exactly that.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:56 AM, ambrose kimaiyo < mail2ambrose@gmail.com> wrote:

...

The prepaid system is a good idea but we need to know how the units are allocated. The entire formula should be published every month as they keep changing based on the exchange rates and other factors. They need to account.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Thuo Wilson <lixton@gmail.com>wrote:

> its never the same. High time they provided a portal where we can > get their matrixes. > What they provide when installing is vague. > > Kind Regards, > Wilson./ > > > On 7 February 2014 11:39, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hey all, >> >> I am rather confused by the rates used by Kenya Power for issuing >> power units. 2000 /- does not get you a consistent no. of units yet the >> exchange rate is rather stable. Just this morning 2,000 bob got me 117 >> units which lasts about 12 days at 10 units a day. >> >> How much do listers get? Is it consistent? >> >> I also think they have zones with Westlands paying way more than >> Eastlands. >> >> -- >> Regards, >> >> Mark Mwangi >> >> markmwangi.me.ke >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >

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kplctokenformula just tweeted on tht Kind Regards, Wilson./ On 7 February 2014 12:38, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:

I think #kplctokenformula would work. Can we get more suggestions then we can start it off.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Jimmy Thuo <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com> wrote:

...

My hashtag suggestions

#DiscloseKPLCTokenFormula

#WeWantKPLCPrepaidFormula

#KPLCTokenFormula

I had raised the issue with Cofek but it landed on deaf ears.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Alex Gabriel <alexgabbie@gmail.com>wrote:

...

Mr.Ambrose I totally support you..tweeter is the way to go?Let us make it a trending topic.

Who wants to take full leadership and come up with a harsh tag?By all means there is definitely a huge number of Kenyan's who would love to get the monthly calculation formula.

Alex Gabriel

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:22 PM, ambrose kimaiyo <mail2ambrose@gmail.com

...

wrote:

...

Lets take this issue to twitter, I am sure there are many more Kenyans in need of answers to similar question. Lets petition kplc to publish their monthly formula.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Alex Gabriel <alexgabbie@gmail.com>wrote:

...

I totally agree with you Jimmy....Just as the the fuel prices changes are published/announced every mid month as is with the current trend...KPLC should also be publishing/announcing the estimated if not actual units one should expect whenever clients are buying the the tokes.

Alex Gabriel

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Jimmy Thuo <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com>wrote:

...

To me the whole system is suspect. There is something fishy about it. This formula should not be a secret if at all it was genuine. I should actually be able to calculate how many units I want and pay for exactly that.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:56 AM, ambrose kimaiyo < mail2ambrose@gmail.com> wrote:

> The prepaid system is a good idea but we need to know how the units > are allocated. The entire formula should be published every month as they > keep changing based on the exchange rates and other factors. They need to > account. > > > On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Thuo Wilson <lixton@gmail.com>wrote: > >> its never the same. High time they provided a portal where we can >> get their matrixes. >> What they provide when installing is vague. >> >> Kind Regards, >> Wilson./ >> >> >> On 7 February 2014 11:39, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hey all, >>> >>> I am rather confused by the rates used by Kenya Power for issuing >>> power units. 2000 /- does not get you a consistent no. of units yet the >>> exchange rate is rather stable. Just this morning 2,000 bob got me 117 >>> units which lasts about 12 days at 10 units a day. >>> >>> How much do listers get? Is it consistent? >>> >>> I also think they have zones with Westlands paying way more than >>> Eastlands. >>> >>> -- >>> Regards, >>> >>> Mark Mwangi >>> >>> markmwangi.me.ke >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > > -- > > > *Regards, Ambrose Kimaiyo* > Web Developer & Programmer, > +254 720 872130 | Twitter: @ambrosekim| Skype: ambroseki > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >

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My advise: 1. Buy what you need - number of units needed per month 2. Dont buy wholesale - dont buy units for 10k at a go when you need 3k per month (you will spend most of your money buying at over 12bob per unit) 3. Dont buy per day - budget for your whole month 4. Standing charge is meant to be charged every month - even when you still have units. Thus if you buy once for multiple months, it will be deducted in your next purchase for each month you dint buy Otherwise, power rates always fluctuate in Kenya based on exchange rates, the diesel generators used to supplement the grid, and many other factors. Maybe we need all these to be standardized On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:33 PM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:

I dont think the issue is Prepaid tokens, am on postpaid bill and my Jan bill has doubled i have been paying 2K and 25XX when on higher side, my Jan bill is 4,333.04..! and FYI i have not added any electrical equipment in my house.!

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Thuo Wilson <lixton@gmail.com> wrote:

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kplctokenformula just tweeted on tht

Kind Regards, Wilson./

On 7 February 2014 12:38, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:

...

I think #kplctokenformula would work. Can we get more suggestions then we can start it off.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Jimmy Thuo <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com>wrote:

...

My hashtag suggestions

#DiscloseKPLCTokenFormula

#WeWantKPLCPrepaidFormula

#KPLCTokenFormula

I had raised the issue with Cofek but it landed on deaf ears.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Alex Gabriel <alexgabbie@gmail.com>wrote:

...

Mr.Ambrose I totally support you..tweeter is the way to go?Let us make it a trending topic.

Who wants to take full leadership and come up with a harsh tag?By all means there is definitely a huge number of Kenyan's who would love to get the monthly calculation formula.

Alex Gabriel

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:22 PM, ambrose kimaiyo < mail2ambrose@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Lets take this issue to twitter, I am sure there are many more Kenyans in need of answers to similar question. Lets petition kplc to publish their monthly formula.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Alex Gabriel <alexgabbie@gmail.com>wrote:

> I totally agree with you Jimmy....Just as the the fuel prices > changes are published/announced every mid month as is with the current > trend...KPLC should also be publishing/announcing the estimated if not > actual units one should expect whenever clients are buying the the tokes. > > Alex Gabriel > > > On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Jimmy Thuo <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com>wrote: > >> To me the whole system is suspect. There is something fishy about >> it. This formula should not be a secret if at all it was genuine. I should >> actually be able to calculate how many units I want and pay for exactly >> that. >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:56 AM, ambrose kimaiyo < >> mail2ambrose@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> The prepaid system is a good idea but we need to know how the >>> units are allocated. The entire formula should be published every month as >>> they keep changing based on the exchange rates and other factors. They need >>> to account. >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Thuo Wilson <lixton@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> its never the same. High time they provided a portal where we can >>>> get their matrixes. >>>> What they provide when installing is vague. >>>> >>>> Kind Regards, >>>> Wilson./ >>>> >>>> >>>> On 7 February 2014 11:39, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hey all, >>>>> >>>>> I am rather confused by the rates used by Kenya Power for >>>>> issuing power units. 2000 /- does not get you a consistent no. of units yet >>>>> the exchange rate is rather stable. Just this morning 2,000 bob got me 117 >>>>> units which lasts about 12 days at 10 units a day. >>>>> >>>>> How much do listers get? Is it consistent? >>>>> >>>>> I also think they have zones with Westlands paying way more than >>>>> Eastlands. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Mark Mwangi >>>>> >>>>> markmwangi.me.ke >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>> ------------ >>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>> ------------ >>>>> >>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>> ------------ >>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> *Regards, Ambrose Kimaiyo* >>> Web Developer & Programmer, >>> +254 720 872130 | Twitter: @ambrosekim| Skype: ambroseki >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Best Regards >> Jimmy Thuo >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >

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Jimmy, I dont know how you will do it, but for me I somehow get the same units every month (+/- 10 units) for the same KES budget. But still, maybe Kenya Power (and its partners) needs to reduce dependence on diesel generators for the grid and we also ensure other factors (outside control of Kenya Power - like exchange rates) remain constant. Or we open up the market and let alternative power distributors set up systems. On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Jimmy Thuo <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com> wrote:

Kennedy Thats one of our problems, if I establish that I require 150 units per month, how do I determine the amount of money needed to buy those units? That's why we need the formula. On 7 Feb 2014 18:03, "Kennedy Aseda" <samskid5@gmail.com> wrote:

...

My advise:

1. Buy what you need - number of units needed per month 2. Dont buy wholesale - dont buy units for 10k at a go when you need 3k per month (you will spend most of your money buying at over 12bob per unit) 3. Dont buy per day - budget for your whole month 4. Standing charge is meant to be charged every month - even when you still have units. Thus if you buy once for multiple months, it will be deducted in your next purchase for each month you dint buy

Otherwise, power rates always fluctuate in Kenya based on exchange rates, the diesel generators used to supplement the grid, and many other factors. Maybe we need all these to be standardized

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:33 PM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:

...

I dont think the issue is Prepaid tokens, am on postpaid bill and my Jan bill has doubled i have been paying 2K and 25XX when on higher side, my Jan bill is 4,333.04..! and FYI i have not added any electrical equipment in my house.!

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Thuo Wilson <lixton@gmail.com> wrote:

...

kplctokenformula just tweeted on tht

Kind Regards, Wilson./

On 7 February 2014 12:38, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:

...

I think #kplctokenformula would work. Can we get more suggestions then we can start it off.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Jimmy Thuo <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com>wrote:

...

My hashtag suggestions

#DiscloseKPLCTokenFormula

#WeWantKPLCPrepaidFormula

#KPLCTokenFormula

I had raised the issue with Cofek but it landed on deaf ears.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Alex Gabriel <alexgabbie@gmail.com>wrote:

> Mr.Ambrose I totally support you..tweeter is the way to go?Let us > make it a trending topic. > > Who wants to take full leadership and come up with a harsh tag?By > all means there is definitely a huge number of Kenyan's who would love to > get the monthly calculation formula. > > Alex Gabriel > > > On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:22 PM, ambrose kimaiyo < > mail2ambrose@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Lets take this issue to twitter, I am sure there are many more >> Kenyans in need of answers to similar question. Lets petition kplc to >> publish their monthly formula. >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Alex Gabriel <alexgabbie@gmail.com >> > wrote: >> >>> I totally agree with you Jimmy....Just as the the fuel prices >>> changes are published/announced every mid month as is with the current >>> trend...KPLC should also be publishing/announcing the estimated if not >>> actual units one should expect whenever clients are buying the the tokes. >>> >>> Alex Gabriel >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Jimmy Thuo <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> To me the whole system is suspect. There is something fishy about >>>> it. This formula should not be a secret if at all it was genuine. I should >>>> actually be able to calculate how many units I want and pay for exactly >>>> that. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:56 AM, ambrose kimaiyo < >>>> mail2ambrose@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The prepaid system is a good idea but we need to know how the >>>>> units are allocated. The entire formula should be published every month as >>>>> they keep changing based on the exchange rates and other factors. They need >>>>> to account. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Thuo Wilson <lixton@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> its never the same. High time they provided a portal where we >>>>>> can get their matrixes. >>>>>> What they provide when installing is vague. >>>>>> >>>>>> Kind Regards, >>>>>> Wilson./ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7 February 2014 11:39, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hey all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am rather confused by the rates used by Kenya Power for >>>>>>> issuing power units. 2000 /- does not get you a consistent no. of units yet >>>>>>> the exchange rate is rather stable. Just this morning 2,000 bob got me 117 >>>>>>> units which lasts about 12 days at 10 units a day. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How much do listers get? Is it consistent? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I also think they have zones with Westlands paying way more >>>>>>> than Eastlands. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mark Mwangi >>>>>>> >>>>>>> markmwangi.me.ke >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Regards, Ambrose Kimaiyo* >>>>> Web Developer & Programmer, >>>>> +254 720 872130 | Twitter: @ambrosekim| Skype: ambroseki >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>> ------------ >>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>> ------------ >>>>> >>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>> ------------ >>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Best Regards >>>> Jimmy Thuo >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> *Regards, Ambrose Kimaiyo* >> Web Developer & Programmer, >> +254 720 872130 | Twitter: @ambrosekim| Skype: ambroseki >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >

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The formula has many variables. Best you can ask for is for KP to release this as they change. A 3rd party dev can then do an app that determines how much you need for x units or break down how Y KSH is allocated. On 7 Feb 2014 19:05, "ambrose kimaiyo" <mail2ambrose@gmail.com> wrote:

Kennedy,

That knowing which we do not know is what we are trying to get. By KPLC giving us the monthly formula. Some rogue employee or admin could adjust the system and make millions in a day. Someone mentioned the ERC rates, atleast when you go to a filling station you know with this amount I will get this litres of fuel or kerosene. You get the point. What is so hard for KPLC doing the same?

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 6:53 PM, Kennedy Aseda <samskid5@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Jimmy, I dont know how you will do it, but for me I somehow get the same units every month (+/- 10 units) for the same KES budget.

But still, maybe Kenya Power (and its partners) needs to reduce dependence on diesel generators for the grid and we also ensure other factors (outside control of Kenya Power - like exchange rates) remain constant.

Or we open up the market and let alternative power distributors set up systems.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Jimmy Thuo <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Kennedy Thats one of our problems, if I establish that I require 150 units per month, how do I determine the amount of money needed to buy those units? That's why we need the formula. On 7 Feb 2014 18:03, "Kennedy Aseda" <samskid5@gmail.com> wrote:

...

My advise:

1. Buy what you need - number of units needed per month 2. Dont buy wholesale - dont buy units for 10k at a go when you need 3k per month (you will spend most of your money buying at over 12bob per unit) 3. Dont buy per day - budget for your whole month 4. Standing charge is meant to be charged every month - even when you still have units. Thus if you buy once for multiple months, it will be deducted in your next purchase for each month you dint buy

Otherwise, power rates always fluctuate in Kenya based on exchange rates, the diesel generators used to supplement the grid, and many other factors. Maybe we need all these to be standardized

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:33 PM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:

...

I dont think the issue is Prepaid tokens, am on postpaid bill and my Jan bill has doubled i have been paying 2K and 25XX when on higher side, my Jan bill is 4,333.04..! and FYI i have not added any electrical equipment in my house.!

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Thuo Wilson <lixton@gmail.com> wrote:

...

kplctokenformula just tweeted on tht

Kind Regards, Wilson./

On 7 February 2014 12:38, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think #kplctokenformula would work. Can we get more suggestions > then we can start it off. > > > > On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Jimmy Thuo <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com>wrote: > >> My hashtag suggestions >> >> #DiscloseKPLCTokenFormula >> >> #WeWantKPLCPrepaidFormula >> >> #KPLCTokenFormula >> >> I had raised the issue with Cofek but it landed on deaf ears. >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Alex Gabriel <alexgabbie@gmail.com >> > wrote: >> >>> Mr.Ambrose I totally support you..tweeter is the way to go?Let us >>> make it a trending topic. >>> >>> Who wants to take full leadership and come up with a harsh tag?By >>> all means there is definitely a huge number of Kenyan's who would love to >>> get the monthly calculation formula. >>> >>> Alex Gabriel >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:22 PM, ambrose kimaiyo < >>> mail2ambrose@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Lets take this issue to twitter, I am sure there are many more >>>> Kenyans in need of answers to similar question. Lets petition kplc to >>>> publish their monthly formula. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Alex Gabriel < >>>> alexgabbie@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I totally agree with you Jimmy....Just as the the fuel prices >>>>> changes are published/announced every mid month as is with the current >>>>> trend...KPLC should also be publishing/announcing the estimated if not >>>>> actual units one should expect whenever clients are buying the the tokes. >>>>> >>>>> Alex Gabriel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Jimmy Thuo < >>>>> jimmy.thuo@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> To me the whole system is suspect. There is something fishy >>>>>> about it. This formula should not be a secret if at all it was genuine. I >>>>>> should actually be able to calculate how many units I want and pay for >>>>>> exactly that. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:56 AM, ambrose kimaiyo < >>>>>> mail2ambrose@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The prepaid system is a good idea but we need to know how the >>>>>>> units are allocated. The entire formula should be published every month as >>>>>>> they keep changing based on the exchange rates and other factors. They need >>>>>>> to account. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Thuo Wilson <lixton@gmail.com >>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> its never the same. High time they provided a portal where we >>>>>>>> can get their matrixes. >>>>>>>> What they provide when installing is vague. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kind Regards, >>>>>>>> Wilson./ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 7 February 2014 11:39, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hey all, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am rather confused by the rates used by Kenya Power for >>>>>>>>> issuing power units. 2000 /- does not get you a consistent no. of units yet >>>>>>>>> the exchange rate is rather stable. Just this morning 2,000 bob got me 117 >>>>>>>>> units which lasts about 12 days at 10 units a day. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> How much do listers get? Is it consistent? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I also think they have zones with Westlands paying way more >>>>>>>>> than Eastlands. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mark Mwangi >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> markmwangi.me.ke >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Regards, Ambrose Kimaiyo* >>>>>>> Web Developer & Programmer, >>>>>>> +254 720 872130 | Twitter: @ambrosekim| Skype: ambroseki >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Best Regards >>>>>> Jimmy Thuo >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>> ------------ >>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>> ------------ >>>>> >>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>> ------------ >>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> *Regards, Ambrose Kimaiyo* >>>> Web Developer & Programmer, >>>> +254 720 872130 | Twitter: @ambrosekim| Skype: ambroseki >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Best Regards >> Jimmy Thuo >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > > -- > Regards, > > Mark Mwangi > > markmwangi.me.ke > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >

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Ambrose, Or another option would be for Kenya Power to provide an SMS or Web System where you can query how much it would cost to get X units for a specific meter number. That, I think is very easy for them to provide - if they are interested/bothered enough On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Kennedy Aseda <samskid5@gmail.com> wrote:

Ambrose, I dint mean to get into an argument, and neither am I a Kenya Power employee. I am just using my own understanding of the current situation, sharing how to handle the situation and also my little knowledge of tariffs and power systems dynamics in the country.

If you read my previous post, maybe we need another player - but as it stands, there are many dynamics especially with KenGen, Independent power producers, etc that needs to be fixed.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 7:05 PM, ambrose kimaiyo <mail2ambrose@gmail.com>wrote:

...

Kennedy,

That knowing which we do not know is what we are trying to get. By KPLC giving us the monthly formula. Some rogue employee or admin could adjust the system and make millions in a day. Someone mentioned the ERC rates, atleast when you go to a filling station you know with this amount I will get this litres of fuel or kerosene. You get the point. What is so hard for KPLC doing the same?

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 6:53 PM, Kennedy Aseda <samskid5@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Jimmy, I dont know how you will do it, but for me I somehow get the same units every month (+/- 10 units) for the same KES budget.

But still, maybe Kenya Power (and its partners) needs to reduce dependence on diesel generators for the grid and we also ensure other factors (outside control of Kenya Power - like exchange rates) remain constant.

Or we open up the market and let alternative power distributors set up systems.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Jimmy Thuo <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Kennedy Thats one of our problems, if I establish that I require 150 units per month, how do I determine the amount of money needed to buy those units? That's why we need the formula. On 7 Feb 2014 18:03, "Kennedy Aseda" <samskid5@gmail.com> wrote:

...

My advise:

1. Buy what you need - number of units needed per month 2. Dont buy wholesale - dont buy units for 10k at a go when you need 3k per month (you will spend most of your money buying at over 12bob per unit) 3. Dont buy per day - budget for your whole month 4. Standing charge is meant to be charged every month - even when you still have units. Thus if you buy once for multiple months, it will be deducted in your next purchase for each month you dint buy

Otherwise, power rates always fluctuate in Kenya based on exchange rates, the diesel generators used to supplement the grid, and many other factors. Maybe we need all these to be standardized

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:33 PM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:

...

I dont think the issue is Prepaid tokens, am on postpaid bill and my Jan bill has doubled i have been paying 2K and 25XX when on higher side, my Jan bill is 4,333.04..! and FYI i have not added any electrical equipment in my house.!

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Thuo Wilson <lixton@gmail.com> wrote:

> kplctokenformula just tweeted on tht > > Kind Regards, > Wilson./ > > > On 7 February 2014 12:38, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I think #kplctokenformula would work. Can we get more suggestions >> then we can start it off. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Jimmy Thuo <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> My hashtag suggestions >>> >>> #DiscloseKPLCTokenFormula >>> >>> #WeWantKPLCPrepaidFormula >>> >>> #KPLCTokenFormula >>> >>> I had raised the issue with Cofek but it landed on deaf ears. >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Alex Gabriel < >>> alexgabbie@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Mr.Ambrose I totally support you..tweeter is the way to go?Let us >>>> make it a trending topic. >>>> >>>> Who wants to take full leadership and come up with a harsh tag?By >>>> all means there is definitely a huge number of Kenyan's who would love to >>>> get the monthly calculation formula. >>>> >>>> Alex Gabriel >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:22 PM, ambrose kimaiyo < >>>> mail2ambrose@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Lets take this issue to twitter, I am sure there are many more >>>>> Kenyans in need of answers to similar question. Lets petition kplc to >>>>> publish their monthly formula. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Alex Gabriel < >>>>> alexgabbie@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I totally agree with you Jimmy....Just as the the fuel prices >>>>>> changes are published/announced every mid month as is with the current >>>>>> trend...KPLC should also be publishing/announcing the estimated if not >>>>>> actual units one should expect whenever clients are buying the the tokes. >>>>>> >>>>>> Alex Gabriel >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Jimmy Thuo < >>>>>> jimmy.thuo@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> To me the whole system is suspect. There is something fishy >>>>>>> about it. This formula should not be a secret if at all it was genuine. I >>>>>>> should actually be able to calculate how many units I want and pay for >>>>>>> exactly that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:56 AM, ambrose kimaiyo < >>>>>>> mail2ambrose@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The prepaid system is a good idea but we need to know how the >>>>>>>> units are allocated. The entire formula should be published every month as >>>>>>>> they keep changing based on the exchange rates and other factors. They need >>>>>>>> to account. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Thuo Wilson < >>>>>>>> lixton@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> its never the same. High time they provided a portal where >>>>>>>>> we can get their matrixes. >>>>>>>>> What they provide when installing is vague. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kind Regards, >>>>>>>>> Wilson./ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 7 February 2014 11:39, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hey all, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am rather confused by the rates used by Kenya Power for >>>>>>>>>> issuing power units. 2000 /- does not get you a consistent no. of units yet >>>>>>>>>> the exchange rate is rather stable. Just this morning 2,000 bob got me 117 >>>>>>>>>> units which lasts about 12 days at 10 units a day. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> How much do listers get? 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People there are no arguments here just a lively discussion. Its never that serious. In my opinion the fluctuations affect every industry but the power industry seems to inflate the effect too much. I think a live calculator on the site to show how many units I expect for a given amount of money and a comprehensive breakdown would alleviate most of our woes. On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 9:12 PM, Kennedy Kairu Kariuki <kkairu@gmail.com>wrote:

When the meters we being installed, they were sharing a booklet showing how the calculation was being done. It even went further to show a comparison with postpaid.

After I got to understand this my cost has been consistent since Feb last year or there about. Makes sense somehow.

On 2/7/14, Kennedy Aseda <samskid5@gmail.com> wrote:

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Ambrose, Or another option would be for Kenya Power to provide an SMS or Web System where you can query how much it would cost to get X units for a specific meter number. That, I think is very easy for them to provide - if they are interested/bothered enough

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Kennedy Aseda <samskid5@gmail.com> wrote:

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Ambrose, I dint mean to get into an argument, and neither am I a Kenya Power employee. I am just using my own understanding of the current situation, sharing how to handle the situation and also my little knowledge of tariffs and power systems dynamics in the country.

If you read my previous post, maybe we need another player - but as it stands, there are many dynamics especially with KenGen, Independent power producers, etc that needs to be fixed.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 7:05 PM, ambrose kimaiyo <mail2ambrose@gmail.com>wrote:

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Kennedy,

That knowing which we do not know is what we are trying to get. By KPLC giving us the monthly formula. Some rogue employee or admin could adjust the system and make millions in a day. Someone mentioned the ERC rates, atleast when you go to a filling station you know with this amount I will get this litres of fuel or kerosene. You get the point. What is so hard for KPLC doing the same?

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 6:53 PM, Kennedy Aseda <samskid5@gmail.com> wrote:

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Jimmy, I dont know how you will do it, but for me I somehow get the same units every month (+/- 10 units) for the same KES budget.

But still, maybe Kenya Power (and its partners) needs to reduce dependence on diesel generators for the grid and we also ensure other factors (outside control of Kenya Power - like exchange rates) remain constant.

Or we open up the market and let alternative power distributors set up systems.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Jimmy Thuo <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com> wrote:

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Kennedy Thats one of our problems, if I establish that I require 150 units per month, how do I determine the amount of money needed to buy those units? That's why we need the formula. On 7 Feb 2014 18:03, "Kennedy Aseda" <samskid5@gmail.com> wrote:

> My advise: > > 1. Buy what you need - number of units needed per month > 2. Dont buy wholesale - dont buy units for 10k at a go when you > need 3k per month (you will spend most of your money buying at over > 12bob > per unit) > 3. Dont buy per day - budget for your whole month > 4. Standing charge is meant to be charged every month - even when > you still have units. Thus if you buy once for multiple months, it > will be > deducted in your next purchase for each month you dint buy > > Otherwise, power rates always fluctuate in Kenya based on exchange > rates, the diesel generators used to supplement the grid, and many > other > factors. Maybe we need all these to be standardized > > > On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:33 PM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I dont think the issue is Prepaid tokens, am on postpaid bill and my >> Jan bill has doubled i have been paying 2K and 25XX when on higher >> side, my >> Jan bill is 4,333.04..! and FYI i have not added any electrical >> equipment >> in my house.! >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Thuo Wilson <lixton@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> kplctokenformula just tweeted on tht >>> >>> Kind Regards, >>> Wilson./ >>> >>> >>> On 7 February 2014 12:38, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I think #kplctokenformula would work. Can we get more suggestions >>>> then we can start it off. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Jimmy Thuo >>>> <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> My hashtag suggestions >>>>> >>>>> #DiscloseKPLCTokenFormula >>>>> >>>>> #WeWantKPLCPrepaidFormula >>>>> >>>>> #KPLCTokenFormula >>>>> >>>>> I had raised the issue with Cofek but it landed on deaf ears. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Alex Gabriel < >>>>> alexgabbie@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Mr.Ambrose I totally support you..tweeter is the way to go?Let >>>>>> us >>>>>> make it a trending topic. >>>>>> >>>>>> Who wants to take full leadership and come up with a harsh >>>>>> tag?By >>>>>> all means there is definitely a huge number of Kenyan's who would >>>>>> love to >>>>>> get the monthly calculation formula. >>>>>> >>>>>> Alex Gabriel >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:22 PM, ambrose kimaiyo < >>>>>> mail2ambrose@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Lets take this issue to twitter, I am sure there are many more >>>>>>> Kenyans in need of answers to similar question. Lets petition >>>>>>> kplc to >>>>>>> publish their monthly formula. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Alex Gabriel < >>>>>>> alexgabbie@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I totally agree with you Jimmy....Just as the the fuel prices >>>>>>>> changes are published/announced every mid month as is with the >>>>>>>> current >>>>>>>> trend...KPLC should also be publishing/announcing the estimated >>>>>>>> if not >>>>>>>> actual units one should expect whenever clients are buying the >>>>>>>> the tokes. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Alex Gabriel >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Jimmy Thuo < >>>>>>>> jimmy.thuo@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To me the whole system is suspect. There is something fishy >>>>>>>>> about it. This formula should not be a secret if at all it was >>>>>>>>> genuine. I >>>>>>>>> should actually be able to calculate how many units I want and >>>>>>>>> pay for >>>>>>>>> exactly that. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:56 AM, ambrose kimaiyo < >>>>>>>>> mail2ambrose@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The prepaid system is a good idea but we need to know how >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> units are allocated. The entire formula should be published >>>>>>>>>> every month as >>>>>>>>>> they keep changing based on the exchange rates and other >>>>>>>>>> factors. They need >>>>>>>>>> to account. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Thuo Wilson < >>>>>>>>>> lixton@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> its never the same. High time they provided a portal where >>>>>>>>>>> we can get their matrixes. >>>>>>>>>>> What they provide when installing is vague. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Kind Regards, >>>>>>>>>>> Wilson./ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 7 February 2014 11:39, Mark Mwangi >>>>>>>>>>> <mwangy@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hey all, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I am rather confused by the rates used by Kenya Power for >>>>>>>>>>>> issuing power units. 2000 /- does not get you a consistent >>>>>>>>>>>> no. of units yet >>>>>>>>>>>> the exchange rate is rather stable. Just this morning 2,000 >>>>>>>>>>>> bob got me 117 >>>>>>>>>>>> units which lasts about 12 days at 10 units a day. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> How much do listers get? Is it consistent? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I also think they have zones with Westlands paying way >>>>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>>>> than Eastlands. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Mark Mwangi >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> markmwangi.me.ke >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>>>>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke 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Surely it cant be that complicated. Its the way you buy units that's making you lose out. Look at this example. These are rough calculations just to illustrate the general idea 1. If you buy units in bulk say like 200 units you pay 19 per unit for 200 units.... Here you spend about 4000bob or save by breaking it down at the cut off points like so buy 50 units and pay 2bob per unit. then buy another 50 units and pay 12 per unit. then buy the last 100 units at 19 per unit Here you spend 3600bob. Notice in both cases you end up with 200 units so in general, separating you bill at the cut off points saves you money as opposed to buying in one chunk. 2. If you buy in bulk and it spans more than to months then, the next time you buy you will be deducted the 120 x No. of months missed before you are given your units. The fluctuations from the diesel etc are small fluctuations that shouldn't cause you too loose too much sleep Steve ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Mark Mwangi" <mwangy@gmail.com> | To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> | Sent: Viernes, 7 de Febrero 2014 18:37:37 | Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Kenya Power Prepaid units | People there are no arguments here just a lively discussion. Its | never that serious. In my opinion the fluctuations affect every | industry but the power industry seems to inflate the effect too | much. I think a live calculator on the site to show how many units I | expect for a given amount of money and a comprehensive breakdown | would alleviate most of our woes. | On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 9:12 PM, Kennedy Kairu Kariuki < | kkairu@gmail.com > wrote: | | When the meters we being installed, they were sharing a booklet | | | showing how the calculation was being done. It even went further to | | | show a comparison with postpaid. | | | After I got to understand this my cost has been consistent since | | Feb | | | last year or there about. Makes sense somehow. | | | On 2/7/14, Kennedy Aseda < samskid5@gmail.com > wrote: | | | > Ambrose, | | | > Or another option would be for Kenya Power to provide an SMS or | | > Web | | > System | | | > where you can query how much it would cost to get X units for a | | > specific | | | > meter number. That, I think is very easy for them to provide - if | | > they are | | | > interested/bothered enough | | | > | | | > | | | > On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Kennedy Aseda < | | > samskid5@gmail.com | | > > wrote: | | | > | | | >> Ambrose, | | | >> I dint mean to get into an argument, and neither am I a Kenya | | >> Power | | | >> employee. I am just using my own understanding of the current | | >> situation, | | | >> sharing how to handle the situation and also my little knowledge | | >> of | | | >> tariffs | | | >> and power systems dynamics in the country. | | | >> | | | >> If you read my previous post, maybe we need another player - but | | >> as it | | | >> stands, there are many dynamics especially with KenGen, | | >> Independent power | | | >> producers, etc that needs to be fixed. | | | >> | | | >> | | | >> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 7:05 PM, ambrose kimaiyo | | | >> < mail2ambrose@gmail.com >wrote: | | | >> | | | >>> Kennedy, | | | >>> | | | >>> That knowing which we do not know is what we are trying to | | >>> get.. | | >>> By KPLC | | | >>> giving us the monthly formula. Some rogue employee or admin | | >>> could | | >>> adjust | | | >>> the system and make millions in a day. Someone mentioned the | | >>> ERC | | >>> rates, | | | >>> atleast when you go to a filling station you know with this | | >>> amount I | | | >>> will | | | >>> get this litres of fuel or kerosene. You get the point. What is | | >>> so hard | | | >>> for | | | >>> KPLC doing the same? | | | >>> | | | >>> | | | >>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 6:53 PM, Kennedy Aseda < | | >>> samskid5@gmail.com > | | | >>> wrote: | | | >>> | | | >>>> Jimmy, | | | >>>> I dont know how you will do it, but for me I somehow get the | | >>>> same units | | | >>>> every month (+/- 10 units) for the same KES budget. | | | >>>> | | | >>>> But still, maybe Kenya Power (and its partners) needs to | | >>>> reduce | | | >>>> dependence on diesel generators for the grid and we also | | >>>> ensure | | >>>> other | | | >>>> factors (outside control of Kenya Power - like exchange rates) | | >>>> remain | | | >>>> constant. | | | >>>> | | | >>>> Or we open up the market and let alternative power | | >>>> distributors | | >>>> set up | | | >>>> systems. | | | >>>> | | | >>>> | | | >>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Jimmy Thuo < | | >>>> jimmy.thuo@gmail.com > | | | >>>> wrote: | | | >>>> | | | >>>>> Kennedy | | | >>>>> Thats one of our problems, if I establish that I require 150 | | >>>>> units | | | >>>>> per | | | >>>>> month, how do I determine the amount of money needed to buy | | >>>>> those | | | >>>>> units? | | | >>>>> That's why we need the formula. | | | >>>>> On 7 Feb 2014 18:03, "Kennedy Aseda" < samskid5@gmail.com > | | >>>>> wrote: | | | >>>>> | | | >>>>>> My advise: | | | >>>>>> | | | >>>>>> 1. Buy what you need - number of units needed per month | | | >>>>>> 2. Dont buy wholesale - dont buy units for 10k at a go when | | >>>>>> you | | | >>>>>> need 3k per month (you will spend most of your money buying | | >>>>>> at | | >>>>>> over | | | >>>>>> 12bob | | | >>>>>> per unit) | | | >>>>>> 3. Dont buy per day - budget for your whole month | | | >>>>>> 4. Standing charge is meant to be charged every month - even | | >>>>>> when | | | >>>>>> you still have units.. Thus if you buy once for multiple | | >>>>>> months, it | | | >>>>>> will be | | | >>>>>> deducted in your next purchase for each month you dint buy | | | >>>>>> | | | >>>>>> Otherwise, power rates always fluctuate in Kenya based on | | >>>>>> exchange | | | >>>>>> rates, the diesel generators used to supplement the grid, | | >>>>>> and | | >>>>>> many | | | >>>>>> other | | | >>>>>> factors. Maybe we need all these to be standardized | | | >>>>>> | | | >>>>>> | | | >>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:33 PM, maina < dmaishe@gmail.com > | | >>>>>> wrote: | | | >>>>>> | | | >>>>>>> I dont think the issue is Prepaid tokens, am on postpaid | | >>>>>>> bill | | >>>>>>> and my | | | >>>>>>> Jan bill has doubled i have been paying 2K and 25XX when on | | >>>>>>> higher | | | >>>>>>> side, my | | | >>>>>>> Jan bill is 4,333.04..! and FYI i have not added any | | >>>>>>> electrical | | | >>>>>>> equipment | | | >>>>>>> in my house.! | | | >>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Thuo Wilson < | | >>>>>>> lixton@gmail.com > | | | >>>>>>> wrote: | | | >>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>> kplctokenformula just tweeted on tht | | | >>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>> Kind Regards, | | | >>>>>>>> Wilson./ | | | >>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>> On 7 February 2014 12:38, Mark Mwangi < mwangy@gmail.com > | | >>>>>>>> wrote: | | | >>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>>> I think #kplctokenformula would work. Can we get more | | >>>>>>>>> suggestions | | | >>>>>>>>> then we can start it off. | | | >>>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Jimmy Thuo | | | >>>>>>>>> < jimmy.thuo@gmail.com >wrote: | | | >>>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>>>> My hashtag suggestions | | | >>>>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>>>> #DiscloseKPLCTokenFormula | | | >>>>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>>>> #WeWantKPLCPrepaidFormula | | | >>>>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>>>> #KPLCTokenFormula | | | >>>>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>>>> I had raised the issue with Cofek but it landed on deaf | | >>>>>>>>>> ears. | | | >>>>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Alex Gabriel < | | | >>>>>>>>>> alexgabbie@gmail.com > wrote: | | | >>>>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>>>>> Mr.Ambrose I totally support you..tweeter is the way to | | >>>>>>>>>>> go?Let | | | >>>>>>>>>>> us | | | >>>>>>>>>>> make it a trending topic. | | | >>>>>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>>>>> Who wants to take full leadership and come up with a | | >>>>>>>>>>> harsh | | | >>>>>>>>>>> tag?By | | | >>>>>>>>>>> all means there is definitely a huge number of Kenyan's | | >>>>>>>>>>> who would | | | >>>>>>>>>>> love to | | | >>>>>>>>>>> get the monthly calculation formula. | | | >>>>>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>>>>> Alex Gabriel | | | >>>>>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:22 PM, ambrose kimaiyo < | | | >>>>>>>>>>> mail2ambrose@gmail.com > wrote: | | | >>>>>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>>>>>> Lets take this issue to twitter, I am sure there are | | >>>>>>>>>>>> many more | | | >>>>>>>>>>>> Kenyans in need of answers to similar question. Lets | | >>>>>>>>>>>> petition | | | >>>>>>>>>>>> kplc to | | | >>>>>>>>>>>> publish their monthly formula. | | | >>>>>>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Alex Gabriel < | | | >>>>>>>>>>>> alexgabbie@gmail.com > wrote: | | | >>>>>>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>> I totally agree with you Jimmy....Just as the the | | >>>>>>>>>>>>> fuel | | >>>>>>>>>>>>> prices | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>> changes are published/announced every mid month as is | | >>>>>>>>>>>>> with the | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>> current | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>> trend...KPLC should also be publishing/announcing the | | >>>>>>>>>>>>> estimated | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>> if not | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>> actual units one should expect whenever clients are | | >>>>>>>>>>>>> buying the | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>> the tokes. | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex Gabriel | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Jimmy Thuo < | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>> jimmy.thuo@gmail.com > wrote: | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To me the whole system is suspect. There is | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>> something | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fishy | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>> about it. This formula should not be a secret if at | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>> all it was | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>> genuine. I | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>> should actually be able to calculate how many units | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>> want and | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pay for | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>> exactly that. | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:56 AM, ambrose kimaiyo < | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mail2ambrose@gmail.com > wrote: | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The prepaid system is a good idea but we need to | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> units are allocated. The entire formula should be | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> published | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every month as | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they keep changing based on the exchange rates and | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> factors. They need | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to account. | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Thuo Wilson < | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lixton@gmail.com > wrote: | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its never the same. High time they provided a | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> portal | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we can get their matrixes. | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What they provide when installing is vague. | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind Regards, | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wilson./ | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 February 2014 11:39, Mark Mwangi | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < mwangy@gmail.com >wrote: | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey all, | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am rather confused by the rates used by Kenya | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Power for | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issuing power units. 2000 /- does not get you a | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consistent | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no. of units yet | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the exchange rate is rather stable. Just this | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> morning 2,000 | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bob got me 117 | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> units which lasts about 12 days at 10 units a | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> day. | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How much do listers get? Is it consistent? | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I also think they have zones with Westlands | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paying | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than Eastlands. | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark Mwangi | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> markmwangi.me.ke | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> skunkworks mailing list | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------ | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------ | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 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I vote for #DiscloseKPLCTokenFormula Alex Gabriel On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Jimmy Thuo <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com> wrote:

My hashtag suggestions

#DiscloseKPLCTokenFormula

#WeWantKPLCPrepaidFormula

#KPLCTokenFormula

I had raised the issue with Cofek but it landed on deaf ears.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Alex Gabriel <alexgabbie@gmail.com>wrote:

...

Mr.Ambrose I totally support you..tweeter is the way to go?Let us make it a trending topic.

Who wants to take full leadership and come up with a harsh tag?By all means there is definitely a huge number of Kenyan's who would love to get the monthly calculation formula.

Alex Gabriel

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:22 PM, ambrose kimaiyo <mail2ambrose@gmail.com>wrote:

...

Lets take this issue to twitter, I am sure there are many more Kenyans in need of answers to similar question. Lets petition kplc to publish their monthly formula.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Alex Gabriel <alexgabbie@gmail.com>wrote:

...

I totally agree with you Jimmy....Just as the the fuel prices changes are published/announced every mid month as is with the current trend...KPLC should also be publishing/announcing the estimated if not actual units one should expect whenever clients are buying the the tokes.

Alex Gabriel

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Jimmy Thuo <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com>wrote:

...

To me the whole system is suspect. There is something fishy about it. This formula should not be a secret if at all it was genuine. I should actually be able to calculate how many units I want and pay for exactly that.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:56 AM, ambrose kimaiyo < mail2ambrose@gmail.com> wrote:

...

The prepaid system is a good idea but we need to know how the units are allocated. The entire formula should be published every month as they keep changing based on the exchange rates and other factors. They need to account.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Thuo Wilson <lixton@gmail.com>wrote:

> its never the same. High time they provided a portal where we can > get their matrixes. > What they provide when installing is vague. > > Kind Regards, > Wilson./ > > > On 7 February 2014 11:39, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hey all, >> >> I am rather confused by the rates used by Kenya Power for issuing >> power units. 2000 /- does not get you a consistent no. of units yet the >> exchange rate is rather stable. Just this morning 2,000 bob got me 117 >> units which lasts about 12 days at 10 units a day. >> >> How much do listers get? Is it consistent? >> >> I also think they have zones with Westlands paying way more than >> Eastlands. >> >> -- >> Regards, >> >> Mark Mwangi >> >> markmwangi.me.ke >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >

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2.#kplctokenformula On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Alex Gabriel <alexgabbie@gmail.com> wrote:

Can we vote between;

1. #DiscloseKPLCTokenFormula 2.#kplctokenformula

Alex Gabriel

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Alex Gabriel <alexgabbie@gmail.com>wrote:

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I vote for #DiscloseKPLCTokenFormula

Alex Gabriel

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Jimmy Thuo <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com> wrote:

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My hashtag suggestions

#DiscloseKPLCTokenFormula

#WeWantKPLCPrepaidFormula

#KPLCTokenFormula

I had raised the issue with Cofek but it landed on deaf ears.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Alex Gabriel <alexgabbie@gmail.com>wrote:

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Mr.Ambrose I totally support you..tweeter is the way to go?Let us make it a trending topic.

Who wants to take full leadership and come up with a harsh tag?By all means there is definitely a huge number of Kenyan's who would love to get the monthly calculation formula.

Alex Gabriel

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:22 PM, ambrose kimaiyo < mail2ambrose@gmail.com> wrote:

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Lets take this issue to twitter, I am sure there are many more Kenyans in need of answers to similar question. Lets petition kplc to publish their monthly formula.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Alex Gabriel <alexgabbie@gmail.com>wrote:

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I totally agree with you Jimmy....Just as the the fuel prices changes are published/announced every mid month as is with the current trend...KPLC should also be publishing/announcing the estimated if not actual units one should expect whenever clients are buying the the tokes.

Alex Gabriel

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Jimmy Thuo <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com>wrote:

> To me the whole system is suspect. There is something fishy about > it. This formula should not be a secret if at all it was genuine. I should > actually be able to calculate how many units I want and pay for exactly > that. > > > On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:56 AM, ambrose kimaiyo < > mail2ambrose@gmail.com> wrote: > >> The prepaid system is a good idea but we need to know how the units >> are allocated. The entire formula should be published every month as they >> keep changing based on the exchange rates and other factors. They need to >> account. >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Thuo Wilson <lixton@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> its never the same. High time they provided a portal where we can >>> get their matrixes. >>> What they provide when installing is vague. >>> >>> Kind Regards, >>> Wilson./ >>> >>> >>> On 7 February 2014 11:39, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hey all, >>>> >>>> I am rather confused by the rates used by Kenya Power for issuing >>>> power units. 2000 /- does not get you a consistent no. of units yet the >>>> exchange rate is rather stable. Just this morning 2,000 bob got me 117 >>>> units which lasts about 12 days at 10 units a day. >>>> >>>> How much do listers get? Is it consistent? >>>> >>>> I also think they have zones with Westlands paying way more than >>>> Eastlands. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Mark Mwangi >>>> >>>> markmwangi.me.ke >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> *Regards, Ambrose Kimaiyo* >> Web Developer & Programmer, >> +254 720 872130 | Twitter: @ambrosekim| Skype: ambroseki >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > > -- > Best Regards > Jimmy Thuo > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >

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Units have a standard rate. What varies are Forex adjustments, oil charges. So they first bill you for all the forex, oil, rural electrification, erb .

From the remainder, they bill you for units.

Units are also billed at different rates depending on how many you buy. So at some point, you will get lesser units for more cash. On 7 Feb 2014 12:36, "Mark Mwangi" <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:

@Dennis The problem is not the usage its how a unit is priced. there should be a uniform or rather balanced estimate of how much say 1000 /- will get you. Right now its a lottery.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Alex Gabriel <alexgabbie@gmail.com>wrote:

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Mr.Ambrose I totally support you..tweeter is the way to go?Let us make it a trending topic.

Who wants to take full leadership and come up with a harsh tag?By all means there is definitely a huge number of Kenyan's who would love to get the monthly calculation formula.

Alex Gabriel

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:22 PM, ambrose kimaiyo <mail2ambrose@gmail.com>wrote:

...

Lets take this issue to twitter, I am sure there are many more Kenyans in need of answers to similar question. Lets petition kplc to publish their monthly formula.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Alex Gabriel <alexgabbie@gmail.com>wrote:

...

I totally agree with you Jimmy....Just as the the fuel prices changes are published/announced every mid month as is with the current trend...KPLC should also be publishing/announcing the estimated if not actual units one should expect whenever clients are buying the the tokes.

Alex Gabriel

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Jimmy Thuo <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com>wrote:

...

To me the whole system is suspect. There is something fishy about it. This formula should not be a secret if at all it was genuine. I should actually be able to calculate how many units I want and pay for exactly that.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:56 AM, ambrose kimaiyo < mail2ambrose@gmail.com> wrote:

...

The prepaid system is a good idea but we need to know how the units are allocated. The entire formula should be published every month as they keep changing based on the exchange rates and other factors. They need to account.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Thuo Wilson <lixton@gmail.com>wrote:

> its never the same. High time they provided a portal where we can > get their matrixes. > What they provide when installing is vague. > > Kind Regards, > Wilson./ > > > On 7 February 2014 11:39, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hey all, >> >> I am rather confused by the rates used by Kenya Power for issuing >> power units. 2000 /- does not get you a consistent no. of units yet the >> exchange rate is rather stable. Just this morning 2,000 bob got me 117 >> units which lasts about 12 days at 10 units a day. >> >> How much do listers get? Is it consistent? >> >> I also think they have zones with Westlands paying way more than >> Eastlands. >> >> -- >> Regards, >> >> Mark Mwangi >> >> markmwangi.me.ke >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >

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Ok then #kplctokenformula is the hashtag to use. lets begin and hope for a fruitful discussion. On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Alex Gabriel <alexgabbie@gmail.com> wrote:

Below is the harshtag to use...Let kick off.cheers

#kplctokenformula

Alex Gabriel

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:

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Units have a standard rate. What varies are Forex adjustments, oil charges.

So they first bill you for all the forex, oil, rural electrification, erb .

From the remainder, they bill you for units.

Units are also billed at different rates depending on how many you buy. So at some point, you will get lesser units for more cash. On 7 Feb 2014 12:36, "Mark Mwangi" <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:

...

@Dennis The problem is not the usage its how a unit is priced. there should be a uniform or rather balanced estimate of how much say 1000 /- will get you. Right now its a lottery.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Alex Gabriel <alexgabbie@gmail.com>wrote:

...

Mr.Ambrose I totally support you..tweeter is the way to go?Let us make it a trending topic.

Who wants to take full leadership and come up with a harsh tag?By all means there is definitely a huge number of Kenyan's who would love to get the monthly calculation formula.

Alex Gabriel

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:22 PM, ambrose kimaiyo < mail2ambrose@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Lets take this issue to twitter, I am sure there are many more Kenyans in need of answers to similar question. Lets petition kplc to publish their monthly formula.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Alex Gabriel <alexgabbie@gmail.com>wrote:

...

I totally agree with you Jimmy....Just as the the fuel prices changes are published/announced every mid month as is with the current trend...KPLC should also be publishing/announcing the estimated if not actual units one should expect whenever clients are buying the the tokes.

Alex Gabriel

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Jimmy Thuo <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com>wrote:

> To me the whole system is suspect. There is something fishy about > it. This formula should not be a secret if at all it was genuine. I should > actually be able to calculate how many units I want and pay for exactly > that. > > > On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:56 AM, ambrose kimaiyo < > mail2ambrose@gmail.com> wrote: > >> The prepaid system is a good idea but we need to know how the units >> are allocated. The entire formula should be published every month as they >> keep changing based on the exchange rates and other factors. They need to >> account. >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Thuo Wilson <lixton@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> its never the same. High time they provided a portal where we can >>> get their matrixes. >>> What they provide when installing is vague. >>> >>> Kind Regards, >>> Wilson./ >>> >>> >>> On 7 February 2014 11:39, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hey all, >>>> >>>> I am rather confused by the rates used by Kenya Power for issuing >>>> power units. 2000 /- does not get you a consistent no. of units yet the >>>> exchange rate is rather stable. Just this morning 2,000 bob got me 117 >>>> units which lasts about 12 days at 10 units a day. >>>> >>>> How much do listers get? Is it consistent? >>>> >>>> I also think they have zones with Westlands paying way more than >>>> Eastlands. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Mark Mwangi >>>> >>>> markmwangi.me.ke >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> *Regards, Ambrose Kimaiyo* >> Web Developer & Programmer, >> +254 720 872130 | Twitter: @ambrosekim| Skype: ambroseki >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > > -- > Best Regards > Jimmy Thuo > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >

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Ian suggests we switch to #kplcprepaid sounds simpler to me and easier to me. On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 1:02 PM, ambrose kimaiyo <mail2ambrose@gmail.com>wrote:

Nice guys.. Petition for the monthly formula.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:

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Ok then #kplctokenformula is the hashtag to use. lets begin and hope for a fruitful discussion.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Alex Gabriel <alexgabbie@gmail.com>wrote:

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Below is the harshtag to use...Let kick off.cheers

#kplctokenformula

Alex Gabriel

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Units have a standard rate. What varies are Forex adjustments, oil charges.

So they first bill you for all the forex, oil, rural electrification, erb .

From the remainder, they bill you for units.

Units are also billed at different rates depending on how many you buy. So at some point, you will get lesser units for more cash. On 7 Feb 2014 12:36, "Mark Mwangi" <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:

...

@Dennis The problem is not the usage its how a unit is priced. there should be a uniform or rather balanced estimate of how much say 1000 /- will get you. Right now its a lottery.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Alex Gabriel <alexgabbie@gmail.com>wrote:

...

Mr.Ambrose I totally support you..tweeter is the way to go?Let us make it a trending topic.

Who wants to take full leadership and come up with a harsh tag?By all means there is definitely a huge number of Kenyan's who would love to get the monthly calculation formula.

Alex Gabriel

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:22 PM, ambrose kimaiyo < mail2ambrose@gmail.com> wrote:

> Lets take this issue to twitter, I am sure there are many more > Kenyans in need of answers to similar question. Lets petition kplc to > publish their monthly formula. > > > On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Alex Gabriel <alexgabbie@gmail.com>wrote: > >> I totally agree with you Jimmy....Just as the the fuel prices >> changes are published/announced every mid month as is with the current >> trend...KPLC should also be publishing/announcing the estimated if not >> actual units one should expect whenever clients are buying the the tokes. >> >> Alex Gabriel >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Jimmy Thuo <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> To me the whole system is suspect. There is something fishy about >>> it. This formula should not be a secret if at all it was genuine. I should >>> actually be able to calculate how many units I want and pay for exactly >>> that. >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:56 AM, ambrose kimaiyo < >>> mail2ambrose@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> The prepaid system is a good idea but we need to know how the >>>> units are allocated. The entire formula should be published every month as >>>> they keep changing based on the exchange rates and other factors. They need >>>> to account. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Thuo Wilson <lixton@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> its never the same. High time they provided a portal where we >>>>> can get their matrixes. >>>>> What they provide when installing is vague. >>>>> >>>>> Kind Regards, >>>>> Wilson./ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 7 February 2014 11:39, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hey all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I am rather confused by the rates used by Kenya Power for >>>>>> issuing power units. 2000 /- does not get you a consistent no. of units yet >>>>>> the exchange rate is rather stable. Just this morning 2,000 bob got me 117 >>>>>> units which lasts about 12 days at 10 units a day. >>>>>> >>>>>> How much do listers get? Is it consistent? >>>>>> >>>>>> I also think they have zones with Westlands paying way more >>>>>> than Eastlands. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Mark Mwangi >>>>>> >>>>>> markmwangi.me.ke >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>> ------------ >>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>> ------------ >>>>> >>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>> ------------ >>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> *Regards, Ambrose Kimaiyo* >>>> Web Developer & Programmer, >>>> +254 720 872130 | Twitter: @ambrosekim| Skype: ambroseki >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Best Regards >>> Jimmy Thuo >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > > -- > > > *Regards, Ambrose Kimaiyo* > Web Developer & Programmer, > +254 720 872130 | Twitter: @ambrosekim| Skype: ambroseki > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >

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Unfortunately the stats are not from KenyaPower office...We need Kenya power to sensitize Kenyans on what they should expect in terms of units from various amounts spent on per month basis. Alex Gabriel On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 1:26 PM, ty <tyruskam@gmail.com> wrote:

Might add some insight. Got this from KPLC's a/c

http://rayofsolaris.net/misc/kenya-electricity/

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Ian suggests we switch to #kplcprepaid sounds simpler to me and easier to me.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 1:02 PM, ambrose kimaiyo <mail2ambrose@gmail.com>wrote:

...

Nice guys.. Petition for the monthly formula.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Ok then #kplctokenformula is the hashtag to use. lets begin and hope for a fruitful discussion.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Alex Gabriel <alexgabbie@gmail.com>wrote:

...

Below is the harshtag to use...Let kick off.cheers

#kplctokenformula

Alex Gabriel

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com>wrote:

...

Units have a standard rate. What varies are Forex adjustments, oil charges.

So they first bill you for all the forex, oil, rural electrification, erb .

From the remainder, they bill you for units.

Units are also billed at different rates depending on how many you buy. So at some point, you will get lesser units for more cash. On 7 Feb 2014 12:36, "Mark Mwangi" <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:

> @Dennis The problem is not the usage its how a unit is priced. there > should be a uniform or rather balanced estimate of how much say 1000 /- > will get you. Right now its a lottery. > > > On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Alex Gabriel <alexgabbie@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Mr.Ambrose I totally support you..tweeter is the way to go?Let us >> make it a trending topic. >> >> Who wants to take full leadership and come up with a harsh tag?By >> all means there is definitely a huge number of Kenyan's who would love to >> get the monthly calculation formula. >> >> Alex Gabriel >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:22 PM, ambrose kimaiyo < >> mail2ambrose@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Lets take this issue to twitter, I am sure there are many more >>> Kenyans in need of answers to similar question. Lets petition kplc to >>> publish their monthly formula. >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Alex Gabriel < >>> alexgabbie@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I totally agree with you Jimmy....Just as the the fuel prices >>>> changes are published/announced every mid month as is with the current >>>> trend...KPLC should also be publishing/announcing the estimated if not >>>> actual units one should expect whenever clients are buying the the tokes. >>>> >>>> Alex Gabriel >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Jimmy Thuo <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> To me the whole system is suspect. There is something fishy >>>>> about it. This formula should not be a secret if at all it was genuine. I >>>>> should actually be able to calculate how many units I want and pay for >>>>> exactly that. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:56 AM, ambrose kimaiyo < >>>>> mail2ambrose@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The prepaid system is a good idea but we need to know how the >>>>>> units are allocated. The entire formula should be published every month as >>>>>> they keep changing based on the exchange rates and other factors. They need >>>>>> to account. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Thuo Wilson <lixton@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> its never the same. High time they provided a portal where we >>>>>>> can get their matrixes. >>>>>>> What they provide when installing is vague. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kind Regards, >>>>>>> Wilson./ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 7 February 2014 11:39, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hey all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am rather confused by the rates used by Kenya Power for >>>>>>>> issuing power units. 2000 /- does not get you a consistent no. of units yet >>>>>>>> the exchange rate is rather stable. Just this morning 2,000 bob got me 117 >>>>>>>> units which lasts about 12 days at 10 units a day. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How much do listers get? Is it consistent? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I also think they have zones with Westlands paying way more >>>>>>>> than Eastlands. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mark Mwangi >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> markmwangi.me.ke >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Regards, Ambrose Kimaiyo* >>>>>> Web Developer & Programmer, >>>>>> +254 720 872130 | Twitter: @ambrosekim| Skype: ambroseki >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Best Regards >>>>> Jimmy Thuo >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>> ------------ >>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>> ------------ >>>>> >>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>> ------------ >>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> *Regards, Ambrose Kimaiyo* >>> Web Developer & Programmer, >>> +254 720 872130 | Twitter: @ambrosekim| Skype: ambroseki >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > > -- > Regards, > > Mark Mwangi > > markmwangi.me.ke > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >

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Dennis, We want KPLC to notify us, via SMS, and also publish the same conspicuously on their website the applicable rates, whenever they alter them. Same way they bang us with SMS when their systems go down. On 7 February 2014 13:32, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:

Lol. I love you guys.

Go ahead with the protest. Yes, we demand official stats.

(so what next after you get the stats?)

On Friday, 7 February 2014, Alex Gabriel <alexgabbie@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Unfortunately the stats are not from KenyaPower office...We need Kenya power to sensitize Kenyans on what they should expect in terms of units from various amounts spent on per month basis.

Alex Gabriel

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 1:26 PM, ty <tyruskam@gmail.com> wrote:

Might add some insight. Got this from KPLC's a/c

http://rayofsolaris.net/misc/kenya-electricity/

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:

Ian suggests we switch to #kplcprepaid sounds simpler to me and easier to me.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 1:02 PM, ambrose kimaiyo <mail2ambrose@gmail.com>wrote:

Nice guys.. Petition for the monthly formula.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:

Ok then #kplctokenformula is the hashtag to use. lets begin and hope for a fruitful discussion.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Alex Gabriel <alexgabbie@gmail.com>wrote:

Below is the harshtag to use...Let kick off.cheers

#kplctokenformula

Alex Gabriel

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:

Units have a standard rate. What varies are Forex adjustments, oil charges.

So they first bill you for all the forex, oil, rural electrification, erb .

From the remainder, they bill you for units.

Units are also billed at different rates depending on how many you buy. So at some point, you will get lesser units for more cash. On 7 Feb 2014 12:36, "Mark Mwangi" <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:

@Dennis The problem is not the usage its how a unit is priced. there should be a uniform or rather balanced estimate of how much say 1000 /- will get you. Right now its a lottery.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Alex Gabriel <alexgabbie@gmail.com>wrote:

Mr.Ambrose I totally support you..tweeter is the way to go?Let us make it a trending topic.

Who wants to take full leadership and come up with a harsh tag?By all means there is definitely a huge number of Kenyan's who would love to get the monthly calculation formula.

Alex Gabriel

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:22 PM, ambrose kimaiyo <

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Guys, Just to appreciate the current state of affairs the billing for prepay power follows the same model as postpay power using the structure;- First 50kWh: 2.00kshs per kWh 50 to 1500kWh: 8.10kshs per kWh Thereafter: 18.5kshs per kWh All other factors held constant(the so called levies, adjustments and forex fluctuations) At the start of your billing cycle, if you buy say 500shs you are bound to fall in the first bracket and your 500kshs will give you more units. If say on your first purchase you decide to buy power worth 5,000kshs you will definitely fall beyond the first bracket where your kshs/kWh will go up. The implementation of the rate change affects every token such that if you were buying like for the second or third time and you give 50kshs you might be asked to add more money to get a token not because the token costs more than 50shs but because the cost per unit is being spread upto the first token you bought as you may have crossed the brackets listed above. Postpay power was simple because the number of kWh consumed it captured once and the brackets above applied once and you get a single simple rate across for your bill. Moses. On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:

What's the problem here?

Surcharge Rate / Notes Fuel Cost Charge (FCC)Variable rate per kWh, published monthly by KPLC in the Kenya Gazette (but not on their website!). It is *supposed* to be reflective of the cost (to KPLC) of generating electricity during the previous month. Foreign Exchange Rate Fluctuation Adjustment (FERFA) Variable rate per kWh, published monthly by KPLC. This includes the "sum of the foreign currency costs incurred by KenGen", the "sum of the foreign currency costs incurred by [KPLC] other than those costs relating to Electric Power Producers", and the "sum of the foreign currency costs incurred by KenGen". Inflation Adjustment (IA) Variable rate per kWh, published monthly by KPLC. Factors include the "Underlying Consumer Price Index as posted by Kenya National Bureau of Statistics" and the "Consumer Prices Index for all urban consumers (CPI - U) for the US city average for all items 1982 - 84 as published by the United States Department of Labour Statistics". Why on earth does the cost of Kenyan electricity depend on how much folks in the USA are spending? WARMALevy 6 cents per kWh (if someone can explain why on earth this is part of our electricity cost, please let me know!) ERC Levy 3 cents per kWhREP Levy 5% of the base rate VAT16% on everything except the WARMA, ERC and REP levies and Inflation Adjustment (Prior to 2 September 2013, consumption less than 200kWh was exluded from VAT, and VAT was charged at 12%. These concessions were removed in the VAT Act 2013.) See, the above rates are variable - which means they will have probably changed - hence your problem.

Maybe, the campaign should be to have your bill broken down - which I think is done if you buy tokens a ta kiosk, rather than on M-Pesa.

On Friday, 7 February 2014, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Dennis,

We want KPLC to notify us, via SMS, and also publish the same conspicuously on their website the applicable rates, whenever they alter them. Same way they bang us with SMS when their systems go down.

On 7 February 2014 13:32, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Lol. I love you guys.

Go ahead with the protest. Yes, we demand official stats.

(so what next after you get the stats?)

On Friday, 7 February 2014, Alex Gabriel <alexgabbie@gmail.com> wrote:

Unfortunately the stats are not from KenyaPower office...We need Kenya power to sensitize Kenyans on what they should expect in terms of units from various amounts spent on per month basis.

Alex Gabriel

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 1:26 PM, ty <tyruskam@gmail.com> wrote:

Might add some insight. Got this from KPLC's a/c

http://rayofsolaris.net/misc/kenya-electricity/

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:

Ian suggests we switch to #kplcprepaid sounds simpler to me and easier to me.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 1:02 PM, ambrose kimaiyo <mail2ambrose@gmail.com>wrote:

Nice guys.. Petition for the monthly formula.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:

Ok then #kplctokenformula is the hashtag to use. lets begin and hope for a fruitful discussion.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Alex Gabriel <alexgabbie@gmail.com>wrote:

Below is the harshtag to use...Let kick off.cheers

#kplctokenformula

Alex Gabriel

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:

Units have a standard rate. What varies are Forex adjustments, oil charges.

So they first bill you for all the forex, oil, rural electrification, erb .

From the remainder, they bill you for units.

Units are also billed at different rates depending on how many you buy. So at some point, you will get lesser units for more cash. On 7 Feb 2014 12:36, "Mark Mwangi" <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:

@Dennis The problem is not the usage its how a unit is priced. there should be a uniform or rather balanced estimate of how much say 1000 /- will get you. Right now its a lottery.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Alex Gabriel <alexgabbie@gmail.com>wrote:

Mr.Ambrose I totally support you..tweeter is the way to go?Let us make it a trending topic.

Who wants to take full leadership and come up with a harsh tag?By all means there is definitely a huge number of Kenyan's who would love to get the monthly calculation formula.

Alex Gabriel

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:22 PM, ambrose kimaiyo <

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And No, I am not affiliated with Kenya Power in anyway, earlier @Wash had a rant about people not taking initiative to glean information. KPLC has already posted the answer to this thread. A simple Google search will bring out the PDF below. The complaints on this thread can be solved by downloading this PDF and deducing the costs, after-all there should be sharp minds on this list, so we should expect more... really!!! http://www.kenyapower.co.ke/mplan/Pre-paid%20power%20user%20guide%20rev1.pdf And yes Its a bit outdated but the formulas are still in effect. Steve ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Mark Mwangi" <mwangy@gmail.com> | To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> | Sent: Viernes, 7 de Febrero 2014 10:08:58 | Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Kenya Power Prepaid units | Ian suggests we switch to #kplcprepaid sounds simpler to me and | easier to me. | On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 1:02 PM, ambrose kimaiyo < | mail2ambrose@gmail.com > wrote: | | Nice guys.. Petition for the monthly formula. | | | On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Mark Mwangi < mwangy@gmail.com > | | wrote: | | | | Ok then #kplctokenformula is the hashtag to use. lets begin and | | | hope | | | for a fruitful discussion. | | | | | | On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Alex Gabriel < | | | alexgabbie@gmail.com | | | > wrote: | | | | | | | Below is the harshtag to use...Let kick off.cheers | | | | | | | | | | #kplctokenformula | | | | | | | | | | Alex Gabriel | | | | | | | | | | On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Dennis Kioko < | | | | dmbuvi@gmail.com | | | | > | | | | wrote: | | | | | | | | | | | Units have a standard rate. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | What varies are Forex adjustments, oil charges. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | So they first bill you for all the forex, oil, rural | | | | | electrification, | | | | | erb . | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | From the remainder, they bill you for units. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Units are also billed at different rates depending on how | | | | | many | | | | | you | | | | | buy. So at some point, you will get lesser units for more | | | | | cash. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | On 7 Feb 2014 12:36, "Mark Mwangi" < mwangy@gmail.com > | | | | | wrote: | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | @Dennis The problem is not the usage its how a unit is | | | | | | priced. | | | | | | there | | | | | | should be a uniform or rather balanced estimate of how much | | | | | | say | | | | | | 1000 | | | | | | /- will get you. Right now its a lottery. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Alex Gabriel < | | | | | | alexgabbie@gmail.com | | | | | | > wrote: | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Mr.Ambrose I totally support you..tweeter is the way to | | | | | | | go?Let | | | | | | | us | | | | | | | make it a trending topic. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Who wants to take full leadership and come up with a | | | | | | | harsh | | | | | | | tag?By | | | | | | | all | | | | | | | means there is definitely a huge number of Kenyan's who | | | | | | | would | | | | | | | love | | | | | | | to get the monthly calculation formula. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Alex Gabriel | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:22 PM, ambrose kimaiyo < | | | | | | | mail2ambrose@gmail.com > wrote: | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Lets take this issue to twitter, I am sure there are | | | | | | | | many | | | | | | | | more | | | | | | | | Kenyans in need of answers to similar question. Lets | | | | | | | | petition | | | | | | | | kplc | | | | | | | | to publish their monthly formula. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Alex Gabriel < | | | | | | | | alexgabbie@gmail.com | | | | | | | | > wrote: | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | I totally agree with you Jimmy....Just as the the | | | | | | | | | fuel | | | | | | | | | prices | | | | | | | | | changes | | | | | | | | | are published/announced every mid month as is with | | | | | | | | | the | | | | | | | | | current | | | | | | | | | trend...KPLC should also be publishing/announcing the | | | | | | | | | estimated | | | | | | | | | if | | | | | | | | | not actual units one should expect whenever clients | | | | | | | | | are | | | | | | | | | buying | | | | | | | | | the | | | | | | | | | the tokes. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Alex Gabriel | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Jimmy Thuo < | | | | | | | | | jimmy.thuo@gmail.com | | | | | | | | | > | | | | | | | | | wrote: | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | To me the whole system is suspect. There is | | | | | | | | | | something | | | | | | | | | | fishy | | | | | | | | | | about | | | | | | | | | | it. | | | | | | | | | | This formula should not be a secret if at all it | | | | | | | | | | was | | | | | | | | | | genuine. | | | | | | | | | | I | | | | | | | | | | should actually be able to calculate how many units | | | | | | | | | | I | | | | | | | | | | want | | | | | | | | | | and | | | | | | | | | | pay | | | | | | | | | | for exactly that. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:56 AM, ambrose kimaiyo < | | | | | | | | | | mail2ambrose@gmail.com > wrote: | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | The prepaid system is a good idea but we need to | | | | | | | | | | | know | | | | | | | | | | | how | | | | | | | | | | | the | | | | | | | | | | | units | | | | | | | | | | | are allocated. The entire formula should be | | | | | | | | | | | published | | | | | | | | | | | every | | | | | | | | | | | month | | | | | | | | | | | as | | | | | | | | | | | they keep changing based on the exchange rates | | | | | | | | | | | and | | | | | | | | | | | other | | | | | | | | | | | factors. | | | | | | | | | | | They need to account. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Thuo Wilson < | | | | | | | | | | | lixton@gmail.com | | | | | | | | | | | > | | | | | | | | | | | wrote: | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | its never the same. High time they provided a | | | | | | | | | | | | portal | | | | | | | | | | | | where | | | | | | | | | | | | we | | | | | | | | | | | | can | | | | | | | | | | | | get | | | | | | | | | | | | their matrixes. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | What they provide when installing is vague. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Kind Regards, | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Wilson./ | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | On 7 February 2014 11:39, Mark Mwangi < | | | | | | | | | | | | mwangy@gmail.com | | | | | | | | | | | | > | | | | | | | | | | | | wrote: | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Hey all, | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | I am rather confused by the rates used by | | | | | | | | | | | | | Kenya | | | | | | | | | | | | | Power | | | | | | | | | | | | | for | | | | | | | | | | | | | issuing | | | | | | | | | | | | | power units. 2000 /- does not get you a | | | | | | | | | | | | | consistent | | | | | | | | | | | | | no. | | | | | | | | | | | | | of | | | | | | | | | | | | | units | | | | | | | | | | | | | yet | | | | | | | | | | | | | the exchange rate is rather stable. Just this | | | | | | | | | | | | | morning | | | | | | | | | | | | | 2,000 | | | | | | | | | | | | | bob | | | | | | | | | | | | | got | | | | | | | | | | | | | me 117 units which lasts about 12 days at 10 | | | | | | | | | | | | | units | | | | | | | | | | | | | a | | | | | | | | | | | | | day. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | How much do listers get? 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1. I'm told if you buy a token from a kiosk, it has a breakdown of all your charges. 2. There are standing monthly charges, which means that the first bill of every month is usually higher than other bills in the same month. 3. If you use a meter that has been unused for a number of months, you will pay standing charges for all those months. 4. Are you sure you do not have rogue appliances that you aren't aware are using power - boilers? On Friday, 7 February 2014, Alex Gabriel <alexgabbie@gmail.com> wrote:

I totally agree with you Jimmy....Just as the the fuel prices changes are published/announced every mid month as is with the current trend...KPLC should also be publishing/announcing the estimated if not actual units one should expect whenever clients are buying the the tokes.

Alex Gabriel

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Jimmy Thuo <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com> wrote:

To me the whole system is suspect. There is something fishy about it. This formula should not be a secret if at all it was genuine. I should actually be able to calculate how many units I want and pay for exactly that.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:56 AM, ambrose kimaiyo <mail2ambrose@gmail.com>wrote:

The prepaid system is a good idea but we need to know how the units are allocated. The entire formula should be published every month as they keep changing based on the exchange rates and other factors. They need to account.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Thuo Wilson <lixton@gmail.com> wrote:

its never the same. High time they provided a portal where we can get their matrixes. What they provide when installing is vague.

Kind Regards, Wilson./

On 7 February 2014 11:39, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey all,

I am rather confused by the rates used by Kenya Power for issuing power units. 2000 /- does not get you a consistent no. of units yet the exchange rate is rather stable. Just this morning 2,000 bob got me 117 units which lasts about 12 days at 10 units a day.

How much do listers get? Is it consistent?

I also think they have zones with Westlands paying way more than Eastlands.

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Hi Skunks, Q1. Is there a situation where I can go to the vendors and ask them to sell me 48 units? Or N units as it may? Q2. Since I remain a domestic consumer, why should the cost per unit be varied if I buy more? If I consume more, probably because I have decided to run all my eqpts on a 24-hour basis, why should I be penalized for that? Q3. If I decide to hold an 'electricity party' at my house (ask guys to bring all their gadgets and power them) why should I be charged more? It's like telling me that if I start buying 10 pkts of milk daily instead of the usual one, then the price per unit measurement should go higher, just because I am consuming more? This graduation of charges is where KPLC is stealing from Kenyans. The other avenue is the dollar nonsense. Electricity is generated from Geothermal Energy, Water and Diesel generators. I don't see why the Diesel generation aspect should be featured so prominently as to make the dollar adjustments be the avenue for fleecing Kenyans. How often does the dollar fluctuate? Why is it that KPLC emphasized this dollar/diesel nonsense? Don't we buy Diesel at the gaz stations and the prices get fixed by ERC? I think besides the above, ERC should also regulate Electricity prices, much as I suspect even ERC itself is controlled by cartels. My point is, this 'sweet point' suggested by Dennis should not arise. As long as I am domestic consumer, whether I buy 50 or 1000 units within a calendar month, the price per unit should be the same. I also don't understand why we should pay a 'standing monthly fee' for the meters, even when the meter is unused. Kwani the meter does not have a cost? What is the standing cost for? Why should I pay 120 per month for, say, 10 or 20 years? Does the meter cost infinity? The meter is for controlling supply. It's cost should be borne by KPLC. On 10 February 2014 12:03, Jimmy Thuo <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Alex seems we are getting somewhere. Kindly also ask her to clarify the following issues 1. What cycle does the graduated tariff work on? Is it calendar month? 2. If I wanted to purchase 150 units, and purchased them in batches of 40 units within the same month/cycle, would I be charged on the first band only or does the system keep track of my previous purchases in relation to the cycle above to charge accordingly? 3. Is there any advantage of purchasing fewer units as opposed to in bulk?

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Alex Gabriel <alexgabbie@gmail.com>wrote:

...

Greetings Skunks,

Seems our prepaid issue finally reached the attention of Kenya Power ltd.

A lady Ms.Krystyne copied herein called me earlier on today from KPLC and took time to explain to me the prepaid units allocation and the formula used.

From our discussion the units rate changed 4 months ago and a result of the changes saw clients receiving lower units than before.Below is the current formula that KPLC is using to allocate points.

1 a.50 units were previously going for 2.00shs and went up to 3.93shs for the same number of units.

1.b.51-1500 units were previously going for 8.10 and went up to 10.03shs.(Majority of domestic clients fall in ths category)

With the above changes one should immediately expect a decline in the number of units allocation.

Further explanation;

1. At the beginning of every month KPLC deducts a standing change (one of fee every month) of Shs120 plus 16%VAT.

e.g If as a client is spending Ksh200 at the start of the month,KPLC will first deduct a one of Ksh120+19.2=Ksh139.2

The client is then left with Ksh60.8 from which he can buy units with.But even so the remaining amount is still subject to other levies eg Fuel and Forex exchange rate plus VAT .The last two parameters are not static hence will change with market dynamics.

It is also important to mention that the other levies besides the one of standing change are applicable any other time a client is making a purchase in the coarse of the month.

Previously VAT was only applicable for clients utilizing/purchasing more than 200units but the current state is one that clients are changed for whatever number of units consumed.

Warm Regards,

Alex Gabriel

Alex Gabriel

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Hey all,

I am rather confused by the rates used by Kenya Power for issuing power units. 2000 /- does not get you a consistent no. of units yet the exchange rate is rather stable. Just this morning 2,000 bob got me 117 units which lasts about 12 days at 10 units a day.

How much do listers get? Is it consistent?

I also think they have zones with Westlands paying way more than Eastlands.

-- Regards,

Mark Mwangi

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And there is a new levy introduced on the bills called *WARM*, Sarah, do you mind bringing us to speed on this as well. On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:

Hi Skunks,

Q1. Is there a situation where I can go to the vendors and ask them to sell me 48 units? Or N units as it may? Q2. Since I remain a domestic consumer, why should the cost per unit be varied if I buy more? If I consume more, probably because I have decided to run all my eqpts on a 24-hour basis, why should I be penalized for that? Q3. If I decide to hold an 'electricity party' at my house (ask guys to bring all their gadgets and power them) why should I be charged more? It's like telling me that if I start buying 10 pkts of milk daily instead of the usual one, then the price per unit measurement should go higher, just because I am consuming more?

This graduation of charges is where KPLC is stealing from Kenyans. The other avenue is the dollar nonsense. Electricity is generated from Geothermal Energy, Water and Diesel generators. I don't see why the Diesel generation aspect should be featured so prominently as to make the dollar adjustments be the avenue for fleecing Kenyans. How often does the dollar fluctuate? Why is it that KPLC emphasized this dollar/diesel nonsense? Don't we buy Diesel at the gaz stations and the prices get fixed by ERC? I think besides the above, ERC should also regulate Electricity prices, much as I suspect even ERC itself is controlled by cartels.

My point is, this 'sweet point' suggested by Dennis should not arise. As long as I am domestic consumer, whether I buy 50 or 1000 units within a calendar month, the price per unit should be the same.

I also don't understand why we should pay a 'standing monthly fee' for the meters, even when the meter is unused. Kwani the meter does not have a cost? What is the standing cost for? Why should I pay 120 per month for, say, 10 or 20 years? Does the meter cost infinity? The meter is for controlling supply. It's cost should be borne by KPLC.

On 10 February 2014 12:03, Jimmy Thuo <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Thanks Alex seems we are getting somewhere. Kindly also ask her to clarify the following issues 1. What cycle does the graduated tariff work on? Is it calendar month? 2. If I wanted to purchase 150 units, and purchased them in batches of 40 units within the same month/cycle, would I be charged on the first band only or does the system keep track of my previous purchases in relation to the cycle above to charge accordingly? 3. Is there any advantage of purchasing fewer units as opposed to in bulk?

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Alex Gabriel <alexgabbie@gmail.com>wrote:

...

Greetings Skunks,

Seems our prepaid issue finally reached the attention of Kenya Power ltd.

A lady Ms.Krystyne copied herein called me earlier on today from KPLC and took time to explain to me the prepaid units allocation and the formula used.

From our discussion the units rate changed 4 months ago and a result of the changes saw clients receiving lower units than before.Below is the current formula that KPLC is using to allocate points.

1 a.50 units were previously going for 2.00shs and went up to 3.93shs for the same number of units.

1.b.51-1500 units were previously going for 8.10 and went up to 10.03shs.(Majority of domestic clients fall in ths category)

With the above changes one should immediately expect a decline in the number of units allocation.

Further explanation;

1. At the beginning of every month KPLC deducts a standing change (one of fee every month) of Shs120 plus 16%VAT.

e.g If as a client is spending Ksh200 at the start of the month,KPLC will first deduct a one of Ksh120+19.2=Ksh139.2

The client is then left with Ksh60.8 from which he can buy units with.But even so the remaining amount is still subject to other levies eg Fuel and Forex exchange rate plus VAT .The last two parameters are not static hence will change with market dynamics.

It is also important to mention that the other levies besides the one of standing change are applicable any other time a client is making a purchase in the coarse of the month.

Previously VAT was only applicable for clients utilizing/purchasing more than 200units but the current state is one that clients are changed for whatever number of units consumed.

Warm Regards,

Alex Gabriel

Alex Gabriel

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Hey all,

I am rather confused by the rates used by Kenya Power for issuing power units. 2000 /- does not get you a consistent no. of units yet the exchange rate is rather stable. Just this morning 2,000 bob got me 117 units which lasts about 12 days at 10 units a day.

How much do listers get? Is it consistent?

I also think they have zones with Westlands paying way more than Eastlands.

-- Regards,

Mark Mwangi

markmwangi.me.ke

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@Wash and all, it is said that... 1. Since the demand for electricity outstrips the supply (and it takes long to bring up new power plants) , KPLC tries hard let everyone get a piece of the existing pie through use of those punitive usage bands. Their hope is that domestic users will be pushed to cut down on unnecessary consumption. Probably, they need to publicise this strategy better. 2. Despite electricity from the independent power producers (diesel plants) being more expensive than electricity from KenGen's hydro sources, KPLC is contractually bound to first exhaustively purchase from the IPPs before going for any cheaper power from KenGen. Cartels? Affirmative action? Lopsided contract? Tony.

Talk about it and someone builds it. Watching someone showcase an android app for calculating prepaid units. It's called EEMS and is available in the Play store. On Feb 10, 2014 5:26 PM, "Jimmy Thuo" <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Alex Will await her response.

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Alex Gabriel <alexgabbie@gmail.com>wrote:

...

Hallo jimmy.thuo <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com>,

I have raised your question with Ms.Krystyne, I request we give her sometime to respond.

cheers ag

Alex Gabriel

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 1:23 PM, John Swekenyi <johnswekenyi@gmail.com>wrote:

...

And there is a new levy introduced on the bills called *WARM*, Sarah, do you mind bringing us to speed on this as well.

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com

...

wrote:

...

Hi Skunks,

Q1. Is there a situation where I can go to the vendors and ask them to sell me 48 units? Or N units as it may? Q2. Since I remain a domestic consumer, why should the cost per unit be varied if I buy more? If I consume more, probably because I have decided to run all my eqpts on a 24-hour basis, why should I be penalized for that? Q3. If I decide to hold an 'electricity party' at my house (ask guys to bring all their gadgets and power them) why should I be charged more? It's like telling me that if I start buying 10 pkts of milk daily instead of the usual one, then the price per unit measurement should go higher, just because I am consuming more?

This graduation of charges is where KPLC is stealing from Kenyans. The other avenue is the dollar nonsense. Electricity is generated from Geothermal Energy, Water and Diesel generators. I don't see why the Diesel generation aspect should be featured so prominently as to make the dollar adjustments be the avenue for fleecing Kenyans. How often does the dollar fluctuate? Why is it that KPLC emphasized this dollar/diesel nonsense? Don't we buy Diesel at the gaz stations and the prices get fixed by ERC? I think besides the above, ERC should also regulate Electricity prices, much as I suspect even ERC itself is controlled by cartels.

My point is, this 'sweet point' suggested by Dennis should not arise. As long as I am domestic consumer, whether I buy 50 or 1000 units within a calendar month, the price per unit should be the same.

I also don't understand why we should pay a 'standing monthly fee' for the meters, even when the meter is unused. Kwani the meter does not have a cost? What is the standing cost for? Why should I pay 120 per month for, say, 10 or 20 years? Does the meter cost infinity? The meter is for controlling supply. It's cost should be borne by KPLC.

On 10 February 2014 12:03, Jimmy Thuo <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Thanks Alex seems we are getting somewhere. Kindly also ask her to clarify the following issues 1. What cycle does the graduated tariff work on? Is it calendar month?

2. If I wanted to purchase 150 units, and purchased them in batches of 40 units within the same month/cycle, would I be charged on the first band only or does the system keep track of my previous purchases in relation to the cycle above to charge accordingly? 3. Is there any advantage of purchasing fewer units as opposed to in bulk?

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Alex Gabriel <alexgabbie@gmail.com>wrote:

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Greetings Skunks,

Seems our prepaid issue finally reached the attention of Kenya Power ltd.

A lady Ms.Krystyne copied herein called me earlier on today from KPLC and took time to explain to me the prepaid units allocation and the formula used.

From our discussion the units rate changed 4 months ago and a result of the changes saw clients receiving lower units than before.Below is the current formula that KPLC is using to allocate points.

1 a.50 units were previously going for 2.00shs and went up to 3.93shs for the same number of units.

1.b.51-1500 units were previously going for 8.10 and went up to 10.03shs.(Majority of domestic clients fall in ths category)

With the above changes one should immediately expect a decline in the number of units allocation.

Further explanation;

1. At the beginning of every month KPLC deducts a standing change (one of fee every month) of Shs120 plus 16%VAT.

e.g If as a client is spending Ksh200 at the start of the month,KPLC will first deduct a one of Ksh120+19.2=Ksh139.2

The client is then left with Ksh60.8 from which he can buy units with.But even so the remaining amount is still subject to other levies eg Fuel and Forex exchange rate plus VAT .The last two parameters are not static hence will change with market dynamics.

It is also important to mention that the other levies besides the one of standing change are applicable any other time a client is making a purchase in the coarse of the month.

Previously VAT was only applicable for clients utilizing/purchasing more than 200units but the current state is one that clients are changed for whatever number of units consumed.

Warm Regards,

Alex Gabriel

Alex Gabriel

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com>wrote:

> Hey all, > > I am rather confused by the rates used by Kenya Power for issuing > power units. 2000 /- does not get you a consistent no. of units yet the > exchange rate is rather stable. Just this morning 2,000 bob got me 117 > units which lasts about 12 days at 10 units a day. > > How much do listers get? Is it consistent? > > I also think they have zones with Westlands paying way more than > Eastlands. > > -- > Regards, > > Mark Mwangi > > markmwangi.me.ke > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >

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I haven't tried it, but some kid called Walter was showcasing it at an elevator pitch at the just concluded Mobile East Africa forum. On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 5:31 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:

Rather unfriendly name. Also nothing to tell its local. Trying out in a few though.

On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 5:18 PM, William Warero <wwarero@gmail.com> wrote:

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Talk about it and someone builds it.

Watching someone showcase an android app for calculating prepaid units.

It's called EEMS and is available in the Play store. On Feb 10, 2014 5:26 PM, "Jimmy Thuo" <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com> wrote:

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Thanks Alex Will await her response.

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Alex Gabriel <alexgabbie@gmail.com>wrote:

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Hallo jimmy.thuo <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com>,

I have raised your question with Ms.Krystyne, I request we give her sometime to respond.

cheers ag

Alex Gabriel

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And there is a new levy introduced on the bills called *WARM*, Sarah, do you mind bringing us to speed on this as well.

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:

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Hi Skunks,

Q1. Is there a situation where I can go to the vendors and ask them to sell me 48 units? Or N units as it may? Q2. Since I remain a domestic consumer, why should the cost per unit be varied if I buy more? If I consume more, probably because I have decided to run all my eqpts on a 24-hour basis, why should I be penalized for that? Q3. If I decide to hold an 'electricity party' at my house (ask guys to bring all their gadgets and power them) why should I be charged more? It's like telling me that if I start buying 10 pkts of milk daily instead of the usual one, then the price per unit measurement should go higher, just because I am consuming more?

This graduation of charges is where KPLC is stealing from Kenyans. The other avenue is the dollar nonsense. Electricity is generated from Geothermal Energy, Water and Diesel generators. I don't see why the Diesel generation aspect should be featured so prominently as to make the dollar adjustments be the avenue for fleecing Kenyans. How often does the dollar fluctuate? Why is it that KPLC emphasized this dollar/diesel nonsense? Don't we buy Diesel at the gaz stations and the prices get fixed by ERC? I think besides the above, ERC should also regulate Electricity prices, much as I suspect even ERC itself is controlled by cartels.

My point is, this 'sweet point' suggested by Dennis should not arise. As long as I am domestic consumer, whether I buy 50 or 1000 units within a calendar month, the price per unit should be the same.

I also don't understand why we should pay a 'standing monthly fee' for the meters, even when the meter is unused. Kwani the meter does not have a cost? What is the standing cost for? Why should I pay 120 per month for, say, 10 or 20 years? Does the meter cost infinity? The meter is for controlling supply. It's cost should be borne by KPLC.

On 10 February 2014 12:03, Jimmy Thuo <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Alex seems we are getting somewhere. > Kindly also ask her to clarify the following issues > 1. What cycle does the graduated tariff work on? Is it calendar > month? > 2. If I wanted to purchase 150 units, and purchased them in batches > of 40 units within the same month/cycle, would I be charged on the first > band only or does the system keep track of my previous purchases in > relation to the cycle above to charge accordingly? > 3. Is there any advantage of purchasing fewer units as opposed to in > bulk? > > > > On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Alex Gabriel <alexgabbie@gmail.com > > wrote: > >> Greetings Skunks, >> >> Seems our prepaid issue finally reached the attention of Kenya >> Power ltd. >> >> A lady Ms.Krystyne copied herein called me earlier on today from >> KPLC and took time to explain to me the prepaid units allocation and the >> formula used. >> >> From our discussion the units rate changed 4 months ago and a >> result of the changes saw clients receiving lower units than before.Below >> is the current formula that KPLC is using to allocate points. >> >> 1 a.50 units were previously going for 2.00shs and went up to >> 3.93shs for the same number of units. >> >> 1.b.51-1500 units were previously going for 8.10 and went up to >> 10.03shs.(Majority of domestic clients fall in ths category) >> >> With the above changes one should immediately expect a decline in >> the number of units allocation. >> >> Further explanation; >> >> 1. At the beginning of every month KPLC deducts a standing change >> (one of fee every month) of Shs120 plus 16%VAT. >> >> e.g If as a client is spending Ksh200 at the start of the >> month,KPLC will first deduct a one of Ksh120+19.2=Ksh139.2 >> >> The client is then left with Ksh60.8 from which he can buy units >> with.But even so the remaining amount is still subject to other levies eg >> Fuel and Forex exchange rate plus VAT .The last two parameters are not >> static hence will change with market dynamics. >> >> It is also important to mention that the other levies besides the >> one of standing change are applicable any other time a client is making a >> purchase in the coarse of the month. >> >> Previously VAT was only applicable for clients utilizing/purchasing >> more than 200units but the current state is one that clients are changed >> for whatever number of units consumed. >> >> >> Warm Regards, >> >> Alex Gabriel >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Alex Gabriel >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Hey all, >>> >>> I am rather confused by the rates used by Kenya Power for issuing >>> power units. 2000 /- does not get you a consistent no. of units yet the >>> exchange rate is rather stable. Just this morning 2,000 bob got me 117 >>> units which lasts about 12 days at 10 units a day. >>> >>> How much do listers get? Is it consistent? >>> >>> I also think they have zones with Westlands paying way more than >>> Eastlands. >>> >>> -- >>> Regards, >>> >>> Mark Mwangi >>> >>> markmwangi.me.ke >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > > -- > Best Regards > Jimmy Thuo > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >

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Isn't this the Heisenberg principle? Something about things behaving differently when observed? On Friday, 14 February 2014, pius musyoki <piusmusyoki45@gmail.com> wrote:

hey guyz.. My Q is that have you noticed, how the units move slowly when they get below 10 as compared when you have like 117. I have actually observed that, over the few months the cost has gone up.

On 2/13/14, William Warero <wwarero@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:

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I haven't tried it, but some kid called Walter was showcasing it at an elevator pitch at the just concluded Mobile East Africa forum.

On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 5:31 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com<javascript:;>> wrote:

...

Rather unfriendly name. Also nothing to tell its local. Trying out in a few though.

On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 5:18 PM, William Warero <wwarero@gmail.com<javascript:;>

...

wrote:

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Talk about it and someone builds it.

Watching someone showcase an android app for calculating prepaid units.

It's called EEMS and is available in the Play store. On Feb 10, 2014 5:26 PM, "Jimmy Thuo" <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com<javascript:;>> wrote:

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Thanks Alex Will await her response.

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Alex Gabriel <alexgabbie@gmail.com <javascript:;>>wrote:

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Hallo jimmy.thuo <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com <javascript:;>>,

I have raised your question with Ms.Krystyne, I request we give her sometime to respond.

cheers ag

Alex Gabriel

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 1:23 PM, John Swekenyi <johnswekenyi@gmail.com>wrote:

> And there is a new levy introduced on the bills called *WARM*, Sarah, > do you mind bringing us to speed on this as well. > > > On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Odhiambo Washington < > odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Skunks, >> >> Q1. Is there a situation where I can go to the vendors and ask them >> to sell me 48 units? Or N units as it may? >> Q2. Since I remain a domestic consumer, why should the cost per unit >> be varied if I buy more? If I consume more, probably because I have >> decided >> to run all my eqpts on a 24-hour basis, why should I be penalized for >> that? >> Q3. If I decide to hold an 'electricity party' at my house (ask guys >> to bring all their gadgets and power them) why should I be charged >> more? >> It's like telling me that if I start buying 10 pkts of milk daily >> instead >> of the usual one, then the price per unit measurement should go >> higher, >> just because I am consuming more? >> >> This graduation of charges is where KPLC is stealing from Kenyans. >> The other avenue is the dollar nonsense. Electricity is generated >> from >> Geothermal Energy, Water and Diesel generators. I don't see why the >> Diesel >> generation aspect should be featured so prominently as to make the >> dollar >> adjustments be the avenue for fleecing Kenyans. How often does the >> dollar >> fluctuate? Why is it that KPLC emphasized this dollar/diesel >> nonsense? >> Don't we buy Diesel at the gaz stations and the prices get fixed by >> ERC? >> I think besides the above, ERC should also regulate Electricity >> prices, much as I suspect even ERC itself is controlled by cartels. >> >> My point is, this 'sweet point' suggested by Dennis should not >> arise. >> As long as I am domestic consumer, whether I buy 50 or 1000 units >> within a >> calendar month, the price per unit should be the same. >> >> I also don't understand why we should pay a 'standing monthly fee' >> for the meters, even when the meter is unused. Kwani the meter does >> not >> have a cost? What is the standing cost for? Why should I pay 120 per >> month >> for, say, 10 or 20 years? Does the meter cost infinity? The meter is >> for > Web Design *| *Web Hosting* | *Domain Registration | Software > Development > > Email*: **>>>>>>

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Now sure if you are aware that power costs went up from Nov/Dec 2013. See this article published on 3-12-13 'The new tariffs, announced by the Energy Regulatory Commission (ERC), took effect on Sunday and will be applicable in the three-year period to June 2016. Though small domestic consumers are expected to enjoy a slight decline in the cost of power in the new regime, the benefits are likely to be eroded as big industrial consumers pass on the cost through higher pricing of their goods. Speaking to the *Nation* on the phone Monday, Kenya Power corporate affairs manager Migwi Theuri confirmed that the rates are already in effect. Customers on prepaid meters started noticing the change on tokens bought since Sunday, while those on post pay will notice the change in their next month bill. "The new rates were to take effect on December 1 and they have. For pre-paid customers the rates have taken effect but those of post- paid will reflect in the December bills," Mr Theuri said. Under the new rates, ERC directed that Kenya Power charges Sh15.51 per unit of electricity as a base tariff starting December 1, 2013 to June 2014, down from Sh15.59 per unit that has been charged before this review. The tariff will then drop to Sh13.44 and Sh12.66 per unit of electricity in the two subsequent financial years to June 2016. As a result of a marginal cut in the tariff to be applied during the current financial year, only domestic consumers spending up to 50 units of electricity per month and small commercial enterprises will get a reduction of 7.9 per cent and 2.5 per cent respectively. These consumers constitute 69 per cent of Kenya Power's total customers, leaving the middle class, high income consumers and heavy industries to face increases of between 3 and 12 per cent in the monthly bill during the period, before the rates stabilise in the medium term. The rising cost of power is expected to trigger new inflationary pressure on the economy, further burdening consumers. ERC last month said it had discussed the new figures with the Kenya Power and the utility firm had no option but implement them. "If they (Kenya Power) charge anything more than that they will be in complete violation of the law," said Fredrick Nyang, acting director general of ERC. The Kenya Power had asked for increase of the base tariff that was submitted to the ERC on February 11, 2013. ERC however declined on grounds that during the tariff control period, the company will be able to purchase "cheap" electricity, generated from renewable sources such as hydro, wind and geothermal in power plants that are scheduled to be set up under the government programme to develop 5,000 megawatts of electricity in 40 months. The last tariff review was carried out in 2008. Even though ERC is required by law to carry out the exercise every three years, in 2011 the regulator declined to review the tariff due to a need to protect consumers from escalating inflation and a deteriorating exchange rate.' On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Keneth Kingori <kkingori@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi guys and gals, I cooked up a small webapp to estimate the cost of units before making payment. Check it out at tokenstimator.appspot.com. The code is on github <https://github.com/kkingori/tokenstimator> for those interested.

On 15 February 2014 12:42, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:

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Isn't this the Heisenberg principle? Something about things behaving differently when observed?

On Friday, 14 February 2014, pius musyoki <piusmusyoki45@gmail.com> wrote:

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hey guyz.. My Q is that have you noticed, how the units move slowly when they get below 10 as compared when you have like 117. I have actually observed that, over the few months the cost has gone up.

On 2/13/14, William Warero <wwarero@gmail.com> wrote:

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I haven't tried it, but some kid called Walter was showcasing it at an elevator pitch at the just concluded Mobile East Africa forum.

On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 5:31 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:

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Rather unfriendly name. Also nothing to tell its local. Trying out in a few though.

On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 5:18 PM, William Warero <wwarero@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Talk about it and someone builds it.

Watching someone showcase an android app for calculating prepaid units.

It's called EEMS and is available in the Play store. On Feb 10, 2014 5:26 PM, "Jimmy Thuo" <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Alex Will await her response. > > > On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Alex Gabriel > <alexgabbie@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Hallo jimmy.thuo <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com>, >> >> I have raised your question with Ms.Krystyne, I request we give her >> sometime to respond. >> >> cheers >> ag >> >> Alex Gabriel >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 1:23 PM, John Swekenyi >> <johnswekenyi@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> And there is a new levy introduced on the bills called *WARM*, Sarah, >>> do you mind bringing us to speed on this as well. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Odhiambo Washington < >>> odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Skunks, >>>> >>>> Q1. Is there a situation where I can go to the vendors and ask them >>>> to sell me 48 units? Or N units as it may? >>>> Q2. Since I remain a domestic consumer, why should the cost per unit >>>> be varied if I buy more? If I consume more, probably because I have >>>> decided >>>> to run all my eqpts on a 24-hour basis, why should I be penalized for >>>> that? >>>> Q3. If I decide to hold an 'electricity party' at my house (ask guys >>>> to bring all their gadgets and power them) why should I be charged >>>> more? >>>> It's like telling me that if I start buying 10 pkts of milk daily >>>> instead >>>> of the usual one, then the price per unit measurement should go >>>> higher, >>>> just because I am consuming more? >>>> >>>> This graduation of charges is where KPLC is stealing from Kenyans. >>>> The other avenue is the dollar nonsense. Electricity is generated >>>> from >>>> Geothermal Energy, Water and Diesel generators. I don't see why the >>>> Diesel >>>> generation aspect should be featured so prominently as to make the >>>> dollar >>>> adjustments be the avenue for fleecing Kenyans. How often does the >>>> dollar >>>> fluctuate? Why is it that KPLC emphasized this dollar/diesel >>>> nonsense? >>>> Don't we buy Diesel at the gaz stations and the prices get fixed by >>>> ERC? >>>> I think besides the above, ERC should also regulate Electricity >>>> prices, much as I suspect even ERC itself is controlled by cartels. >>>> >>>> My point is, this 'sweet point' suggested by Dennis should not >>>> arise. >>>> As long as I am domestic consumer, whether I buy 50 or 1000 units >>>> within a >>>> calendar month, the price per unit should be the same. >>>> >>>> I also don't understand why we should pay a 'standing monthly fee' >>>> for the meters, even when the meter is unused. Kwani the meter does >>>> not >>>> have a cost? What is the standing cost for? Why should I pay 120 per >>>> month >>>> for, say, 10 or 20 years? Does the meter cost infinity? The meter is >>>> for >>> Web Design *| *Web Hosting* | *Domain Registration | Software >>> Development >>> >>> Email*: **>>>>>>

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Now that this thread has resurrected..Am still waiting for Ms Krystyne's response to my queries Help me figure out how Ksh 2000 bought me 119.1 units on 7th May whereas Ksh 2000 on 29th May only got me 87.6 units On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Tony Likhanga <tlikhanga@gmail.com> wrote:

The unclear billing changes once again :

http://www.nation.co.ke/business/Electricity-bills-new-tariffs-July/-/996/23...

How did the twitter campaign go?

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Jimmy, Disclaimer - I dont work for KenyaPower. If you read my previous thread, the tariff is graduated - you pay more the more you consume in a month. Because you bought 119 units on May 7th, 50 of the first units were cheaper than the remainder (69 units). The extra units you bought on May 29h were charged higher because they fell beyond the 0-50 bracket. But await response from the lister you have shot the question to. Kennedy On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Jimmy Thuo <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com> wrote:

Now that this thread has resurrected..Am still waiting for Ms Krystyne's response to my queries Help me figure out how Ksh 2000 bought me 119.1 units on 7th May whereas Ksh 2000 on 29th May only got me 87.6 units

On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Tony Likhanga <tlikhanga@gmail.com> wrote:

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The unclear billing changes once again :

http://www.nation.co.ke/business/Electricity-bills-new-tariffs-July/-/996/23...

How did the twitter campaign go?

Tony.

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For those interested in the write-ups mentioned by Ken... - *The KLPC Flier :* https://www.dropbox.com/s/tyq4aup9gn8o2fh/KenyaPowerTokens.pdf?dl=0 - *Mungai Kihanya's Article :* https://www.dropbox.com/s/avzamjkwleky9ul/KenyaPowerTokens-Article.pdf?dl=0 Tony.

Many many thanks. Alex Gabriel On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Tony Likhanga via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:

For those interested in the write-ups mentioned by Ken...

- *The KLPC Flier :* https://www.dropbox.com/s/tyq4aup9gn8o2fh/KenyaPowerTokens.pdf?dl=0 - *Mungai Kihanya's Article :* https://www.dropbox.com/s/avzamjkwleky9ul/KenyaPowerTokens-Article.pdf?dl=0

Tony.

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