The title should be 'Intrusion of Wananchi's Privacy', not 'Big Data' as it has been wrongly labelled! But then again, privacy is nothing in Kenya and someone who has nothing to hide shouldn't worry at all. Yes? Sarcasm aside, how will the collected data be managed? Which laws govern that? How will misuse of this data be mitigated against? What is to stop the Government from monitoring and 'silencing' someone who they consider a threat or discomfort to the powers that be? This kind of thing is a double-edged sword and the proper framework should be set up before they start collecting personal data. In our endeavors to create a secure state let us not make bigger mistakes. On 24 Oct 2013 21:52, "Nicholas Mutinda" <mutindah@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/Its-time-for-Big-Data-not-Nyumba-Kumi/-...
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First of all, there will be challenges in collecting all these data without your bank, telco etc changing their EULAs and will be heavily infringing on your privacy. Side note: The AU is coming up with an overly ambitious data protection policy that will even limit how and what apps you can use, they'll need licensing - the above proposal conflicts with this ( see my article which summarises the draft rules [I'm not a lawyer, may have missed or misunderstood some of the AU's good intentions] http://www.cio.co.ke/news/main-stories/african-countries-propose-stringent-r...) Secondly, we don't have data scientists in Africa, IBM is repatriating(muffled laughter) some from the diaspora. Data science is more about people, than data. The option here is to analyse the work of our police. But this would be leading the horse by the cat. The police need computers first, and smart phones. They then need to collect data, and good data, on potential suspects and suspect behaviour in a community. The data then needs to be analysed and business intelligence done on it. Then, we may look at big data, coupled with other external data such as volume of calls in and out of the country and their source/terminating countries, airport arrivals and departures, unemployment, forex inflows and outflows, alshabaab twitter activity(yes, those accounts you kept shouting to be closed, alqaeda internet activity, global movement of alqaeda big wigs etc In short, big data is the last shot here, and a safety can be up by a huge factor by implementing the rest without big data. Lastly, we have a problem. Those in charge are already suggesting arming of civilians, which to me suggests admission of incapacity to handle the matter. *Sips water from the bishop's well*
Apologies, it's horse before the cart... Then, we may look at big data coupled with other external data --->(This should read) Then, we may look at big data. The collected data coupled with other external data ... I'll go ahead and apportion 100% blame of the errors to typing from a phone and 0% blame to refusing to edit what I had typed before posting
I tend to agree with the writer, if only those in charge (NSIS) knew the potential of (Big) data.But again, just like oil, data has got lots of politics in it. About privacy, there is nothing which will stop the government (just thinking) from doing Surveillance on anybody if they wanted to. -- Vincent Mosoti, Systems Analyst / Developer Skype: vmmosoti Phone: +254 722 972 805 LinkedIn: ke.linkedin.com/in/vmosoti
The suggestion that Kenya has reached a point where information collected from cell towers and banks is sufficient to mitigate terrorist is both naive and laughable. 1. Kenya runs a predominantly cash based economy 2. There are no official residence records in Kenya 3. There is not formal transport system in Kenya and no way of tracking movements of residents 4. It is reported that terrorists are choosing to hold face to face meetings when discussing their plans and the list goes on. On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Vincent Mosoti <kindvinnie@gmail.com>wrote:
I tend to agree with the writer, if only those in charge (NSIS) knew the potential of (Big) data.But again, just like oil, data has got lots of politics in it. About privacy, there is nothing which will stop the government (just thinking) from doing Surveillance on anybody if they wanted to.
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We shouldn't even be talking about this... could lead to arrest for “provoking propaganda”: http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/Why-Kimaiyo-left-Kenyans-baffled-over-t... -- Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 10:50 AM, David Njuguna <dnjuguna@gmail.com> wrote:
The suggestion that Kenya has reached a point where information collected from cell towers and banks is sufficient to mitigate terrorist is both naive and laughable.
1. Kenya runs a predominantly cash based economy 2. There are no official residence records in Kenya 3. There is not formal transport system in Kenya and no way of tracking movements of residents 4. It is reported that terrorists are choosing to hold face to face meetings when discussing their plans
and the list goes on.
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Vincent Mosoti <kindvinnie@gmail.com>wrote:
I tend to agree with the writer, if only those in charge (NSIS) knew the potential of (Big) data.But again, just like oil, data has got lots of politics in it. About privacy, there is nothing which will stop the government (just thinking) from doing Surveillance on anybody if they wanted to.
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Copy paste ... aiii Kenyan problem , Kenyan Solution ,getting electronic data will just lead to a reduction of technology adoptation . On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote:
We shouldn't even be talking about this... could lead to arrest for “provoking propaganda”:
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/Why-Kimaiyo-left-Kenyans-baffled-over-t...
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On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 10:50 AM, David Njuguna <dnjuguna@gmail.com>wrote:
The suggestion that Kenya has reached a point where information collected from cell towers and banks is sufficient to mitigate terrorist is both naive and laughable.
1. Kenya runs a predominantly cash based economy 2. There are no official residence records in Kenya 3. There is not formal transport system in Kenya and no way of tracking movements of residents 4. It is reported that terrorists are choosing to hold face to face meetings when discussing their plans
and the list goes on.
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Vincent Mosoti <kindvinnie@gmail.com>wrote:
I tend to agree with the writer, if only those in charge (NSIS) knew the potential of (Big) data.But again, just like oil, data has got lots of politics in it. About privacy, there is nothing which will stop the government (just thinking) from doing Surveillance on anybody if they wanted to.
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From recent events (mandatory SIM registration, I'm looking at you), it takes little to herd wananchi into this sort of bull. Just pass a "law" that makes failure to share ALL your information a criminal offence. Bank statements, ID, passport, employment history, kinship, who visits your house, how long they intend to stay, what was in the paper bags you brought in last night.
Ridiculous you think? Go read up on the "nyumba kumi" programs in Tz and Rw. Draw your own conclusions. Those who refuse to conform with the sharing will quickly be labelled "terrorist", and investigated endlessly. Successful hustlers who make much without a "permanent job" will be investigated. People with changing work shifts will draw attention. Work with an NGO and travel frequently to Somalia? Get ready to explain why you shouldn't be investigated for Al-Shabaab links. Oh yeah. This is easy for abuse by people with scores to settle. Just report "suspicious" behaviour, and his/her life is screwed, THIS <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_Awareness_Office> is what we will end up with. Inevitable slippery slope. Every time I hear the mention of "nyumba kumi", I get reaally, reaally mad. On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 11:12 AM, geoffrey gitagia <ggitagia@gmail.com>wrote:
Copy paste ... aiii Kenyan problem , Kenyan Solution ,getting electronic data will just lead to a reduction of technology adoptation .
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote:
We shouldn't even be talking about this... could lead to arrest for “provoking propaganda”:
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/Why-Kimaiyo-left-Kenyans-baffled-over-t...
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On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 10:50 AM, David Njuguna <dnjuguna@gmail.com>wrote:
The suggestion that Kenya has reached a point where information collected from cell towers and banks is sufficient to mitigate terrorist is both naive and laughable.
1. Kenya runs a predominantly cash based economy 2. There are no official residence records in Kenya 3. There is not formal transport system in Kenya and no way of tracking movements of residents 4. It is reported that terrorists are choosing to hold face to face meetings when discussing their plans
and the list goes on.
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Vincent Mosoti <kindvinnie@gmail.com>wrote:
I tend to agree with the writer, if only those in charge (NSIS) knew the potential of (Big) data.But again, just like oil, data has got lots of politics in it. About privacy, there is nothing which will stop the government (just thinking) from doing Surveillance on anybody if they wanted to.
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What the writer is alluding to means something NSA-like eventually. Question is, can the gvt and Kenyans handle it... On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Garr Patronas <garr.patronas@gmail.com>wrote:
From recent events (mandatory SIM registration, I'm looking at you), it takes little to herd wananchi into this sort of bull. Just pass a "law" that makes failure to share ALL your information a criminal offence. Bank statements, ID, passport, employment history, kinship, who visits your house, how long they intend to stay, what was in the paper bags you brought in last night.
Ridiculous you think? Go read up on the "nyumba kumi" programs in Tz and Rw. Draw your own conclusions.
Those who refuse to conform with the sharing will quickly be labelled "terrorist", and investigated endlessly. Successful hustlers who make much without a "permanent job" will be investigated. People with changing work shifts will draw attention. Work with an NGO and travel frequently to Somalia? Get ready to explain why you shouldn't be investigated for Al-Shabaab links. Oh yeah. This is easy for abuse by people with scores to settle. Just report "suspicious" behaviour, and his/her life is screwed,
THIS <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_Awareness_Office> is what we will end up with.
Inevitable slippery slope.
Every time I hear the mention of "nyumba kumi", I get reaally, reaally mad.
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 11:12 AM, geoffrey gitagia <ggitagia@gmail.com>wrote:
Copy paste ... aiii Kenyan problem , Kenyan Solution ,getting electronic data will just lead to a reduction of technology adoptation .
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote:
We shouldn't even be talking about this... could lead to arrest for “provoking propaganda”:
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/Why-Kimaiyo-left-Kenyans-baffled-over-t...
-- Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 10:50 AM, David Njuguna <dnjuguna@gmail.com>wrote:
The suggestion that Kenya has reached a point where information collected from cell towers and banks is sufficient to mitigate terrorist is both naive and laughable.
1. Kenya runs a predominantly cash based economy 2. There are no official residence records in Kenya 3. There is not formal transport system in Kenya and no way of tracking movements of residents 4. It is reported that terrorists are choosing to hold face to face meetings when discussing their plans
and the list goes on.
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Vincent Mosoti <kindvinnie@gmail.com>wrote:
I tend to agree with the writer, if only those in charge (NSIS) knew the potential of (Big) data.But again, just like oil, data has got lots of politics in it. About privacy, there is nothing which will stop the government (just thinking) from doing Surveillance on anybody if they wanted to.
-- Vincent Mosoti, Systems Analyst / Developer Skype: vmmosoti Phone: +254 722 972 805 LinkedIn: ke.linkedin.com/in/vmosoti
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While some people want more surveillance, the Americans will hear none of that! http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131025/13500025017/major-new-anti-nsa-bil... On 25 Oct 2013 13:36, "Kinuthia Ngugi" <kinuthia.ngugi@gmail.com> wrote:
What the writer is alluding to means something NSA-like eventually. Question is, can the gvt and Kenyans handle it...
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Garr Patronas <garr.patronas@gmail.com>wrote:
From recent events (mandatory SIM registration, I'm looking at you), it takes little to herd wananchi into this sort of bull. Just pass a "law" that makes failure to share ALL your information a criminal offence. Bank statements, ID, passport, employment history, kinship, who visits your house, how long they intend to stay, what was in the paper bags you brought in last night.
Ridiculous you think? Go read up on the "nyumba kumi" programs in Tz and Rw. Draw your own conclusions.
Those who refuse to conform with the sharing will quickly be labelled "terrorist", and investigated endlessly. Successful hustlers who make much without a "permanent job" will be investigated. People with changing work shifts will draw attention. Work with an NGO and travel frequently to Somalia? Get ready to explain why you shouldn't be investigated for Al-Shabaab links. Oh yeah. This is easy for abuse by people with scores to settle. Just report "suspicious" behaviour, and his/her life is screwed,
THIS <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_Awareness_Office> is what we will end up with.
Inevitable slippery slope.
Every time I hear the mention of "nyumba kumi", I get reaally, reaally mad.
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 11:12 AM, geoffrey gitagia <ggitagia@gmail.com>wrote:
Copy paste ... aiii Kenyan problem , Kenyan Solution ,getting electronic data will just lead to a reduction of technology adoptation .
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote:
We shouldn't even be talking about this... could lead to arrest for “provoking propaganda”:
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/Why-Kimaiyo-left-Kenyans-baffled-over-t...
-- Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 10:50 AM, David Njuguna <dnjuguna@gmail.com>wrote:
The suggestion that Kenya has reached a point where information collected from cell towers and banks is sufficient to mitigate terrorist is both naive and laughable.
1. Kenya runs a predominantly cash based economy 2. There are no official residence records in Kenya 3. There is not formal transport system in Kenya and no way of tracking movements of residents 4. It is reported that terrorists are choosing to hold face to face meetings when discussing their plans
and the list goes on.
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Vincent Mosoti <kindvinnie@gmail.com>wrote:
I tend to agree with the writer, if only those in charge (NSIS) knew the potential of (Big) data.But again, just like oil, data has got lots of politics in it. About privacy, there is nothing which will stop the government (just thinking) from doing Surveillance on anybody if they wanted to.
-- Vincent Mosoti, Systems Analyst / Developer Skype: vmmosoti Phone: +254 722 972 805 LinkedIn: ke.linkedin.com/in/vmosoti
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