Seeking opinions and insights from you all on the Digital Migration drama going on with NTV, KTN, Citizen and CAK on who's telling the truth and who's selling propaganda?
http://www.digitaltvafrica.com/?p=248 for more insights On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Janet Ngugi via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Seeking opinions and insights from you all on the Digital Migration drama going on with NTV, KTN, Citizen and CAK on who's telling the truth and who's selling propaganda?
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While at it, have a look at the recent debate below involving the concerned parties : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLju9OXByl4 <goog_1156770803> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wxWdPK8j3c Tony.
I have a few questions, that i also need answered Whats copyright infringement/plagiarism? How has DSTV satellite broadcasting been delivering KTN,NTV and Citizen to their viewers in remote areas, inclusive of neighboring countries, prior to all this problems beginning, was it illegal? On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Tony Likhanga via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
While at it, have a look at the recent debate below involving the concerned parties :
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My understanding of the whole situation is : - Digital migration is a worldwide directive from the International Telecommunication Union (ITU) that was agreed upon long ago with ample time-lines; we're just displaying our usual 'last-minute' element. (FYI : ITU deadline is June 2015 and Tanzania is on-course to 100% compliance <http://www.ippmedia.com/frontend/?l=77067>) - Advertising revenue is the cash-cow for the traditional media houses. In the past, this pie was safeguarded by the inherent heavy CAPEX associated with setting up the transmission equipment needed to achieve substantial coverage. You wouldn't just wake up one day and threaten the revenue stream of these established entities. - The way this digital migration is structured poses a direct threat to the bottom-lines of the traditional media houses since the CAPEX barrier to entry will be lifted, leaving the players to compete on content other than coverage (read financial muscle). The traditional media houses are feeling the heat and will not take this lying down. They will throw a good fight using facts, fiction and half truths - I can't blame them for a moment. - The media houses are contorting their grievances to make it appear like they are being unjustly crucified. They have had opportunities in the past to counter the unfolding events but they took up a gamble that seems to be blowing up in their faces. - All said and done, it's the lawyers who are reaping big in this stand-off. You may recall my exasperation some time ago when I stated that the same excuses that were being peddled in court then would still be ones to be peddled now. I find it really hard to sympathize with the four media-houses. In my view, they're simply trying to resist change. Remember, it's always about the bottom-line! Tony.
Well put Tony On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 10:12 AM, Tony Likhanga via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
My understanding of the whole situation is :
- Digital migration is a worldwide directive from the International Telecommunication Union (ITU) that was agreed upon long ago with ample time-lines; we're just displaying our usual 'last-minute' element. (FYI : ITU deadline is June 2015 and Tanzania is on-course to 100% compliance <http://www.ippmedia.com/frontend/?l=77067>)
- Advertising revenue is the cash-cow for the traditional media houses. In the past, this pie was safeguarded by the inherent heavy CAPEX associated with setting up the transmission equipment needed to achieve substantial coverage. You wouldn't just wake up one day and threaten the revenue stream of these established entities.
- The way this digital migration is structured poses a direct threat to the bottom-lines of the traditional media houses since the CAPEX barrier to entry will be lifted, leaving the players to compete on content other than coverage (read financial muscle). The traditional media houses are feeling the heat and will not take this lying down. They will throw a good fight using facts, fiction and half truths - I can't blame them for a moment.
- The media houses are contorting their grievances to make it appear like they are being unjustly crucified. They have had opportunities in the past to counter the unfolding events but they took up a gamble that seems to be blowing up in their faces.
- All said and done, it's the lawyers who are reaping big in this stand-off. You may recall my exasperation some time ago when I stated that the same excuses that were being peddled in court then would still be ones to be peddled now.
I find it really hard to sympathize with the four media-houses. In my view, they're simply trying to resist change. Remember, it's always about the bottom-line!
Tony.
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Me thinks the problem has to do with the sale of setboxes with monthly subscription to views who only interestis the free-to-air channels. On Monday, February 16, 2015 11:29 AM, Stephen Munguti via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: I have a few questions, that i also need answered Whats copyright infringement/plagiarism? How has DSTV satellite broadcasting been delivering KTN,NTV and Citizen to their viewers in remote areas, inclusive of neighboring countries, prior to all this problems beginning, was it illegal? On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Tony Likhanga via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: While at it, have a look at the recent debate below involving the concerned parties : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLju9OXByl4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wxWdPK8j3c Tony. _______________________________________________ skunkworks mailing list skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke -- Best Regards, Stephen Munguti. +254720425104 _______________________________________________ skunkworks mailing list skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
Shadrack, we do respect your opinion, but you really need to read about the whole saga in order to be able to even 'think' about anything related to it:-) What does the sale of the STBs got to do with in in your opinion? Didn't the Cartel already know that CCK (CA) licensed about 60 distributors for the STBs (non-subscription) ? On 16 February 2015 at 12:13, Shadrack Mwaniki via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Me thinks the problem has to do with the sale of setboxes with monthly subscription to views who only interest is the free-to-air channels.
On Monday, February 16, 2015 11:29 AM, Stephen Munguti via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I have a few questions, that i also need answered
Whats copyright infringement/plagiarism?
How has DSTV satellite broadcasting been delivering KTN,NTV and Citizen to their viewers in remote areas, inclusive of neighboring countries, prior to all this problems beginning, was it illegal?
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Tony Likhanga via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
While at it, have a look at the recent debate below involving the concerned parties :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLju9OXByl4 <http://goog_1156770803/> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wxWdPK8j3c
Tony.
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It's all about the money they stand to lose to the new entrants in the industry. How long do you think they can last not airing any Adverts before companies decide to ship out and look for alternatives. Regards, Job Muriuki, Skype: heviejob On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Shadrack, we do respect your opinion, but you really need to read about the whole saga in order to be able to even 'think' about anything related to it:-)
What does the sale of the STBs got to do with in in your opinion? Didn't the Cartel already know that CCK (CA) licensed about 60 distributors for the STBs (non-subscription) ?
On 16 February 2015 at 12:13, Shadrack Mwaniki via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Me thinks the problem has to do with the sale of setboxes with monthly subscription to views who only interest is the free-to-air channels.
On Monday, February 16, 2015 11:29 AM, Stephen Munguti via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I have a few questions, that i also need answered
Whats copyright infringement/plagiarism?
How has DSTV satellite broadcasting been delivering KTN,NTV and Citizen to their viewers in remote areas, inclusive of neighboring countries, prior to all this problems beginning, was it illegal?
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Tony Likhanga via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
While at it, have a look at the recent debate below involving the concerned parties :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLju9OXByl4 <http://goog_1156770803/> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wxWdPK8j3c
Tony.
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Can someone explain to me why DSTV prevents you from watching local channels when you don't pay your subscription. It seems unfair to me as they are basically asking you to pay for something that's free. On 16 February 2015 at 21:35, Job Muriuki via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
It's all about the money they stand to lose to the new entrants in the industry. How long do you think they can last not airing any Adverts before companies decide to ship out and look for alternatives.
Regards, Job Muriuki,
Skype: heviejob
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Shadrack, we do respect your opinion, but you really need to read about the whole saga in order to be able to even 'think' about anything related to it:-)
What does the sale of the STBs got to do with in in your opinion? Didn't the Cartel already know that CCK (CA) licensed about 60 distributors for the STBs (non-subscription) ?
On 16 February 2015 at 12:13, Shadrack Mwaniki via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Me thinks the problem has to do with the sale of setboxes with monthly subscription to views who only interest is the free-to-air channels.
On Monday, February 16, 2015 11:29 AM, Stephen Munguti via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I have a few questions, that i also need answered
Whats copyright infringement/plagiarism?
How has DSTV satellite broadcasting been delivering KTN,NTV and Citizen to their viewers in remote areas, inclusive of neighboring countries, prior to all this problems beginning, was it illegal?
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Tony Likhanga via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
While at it, have a look at the recent debate below involving the concerned parties :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLju9OXByl4 <http://goog_1156770803/> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wxWdPK8j3c
Tony.
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@James - the pay TV license is different from the digital distribution licence - thats why DSTV can prevent you if you don't pay but GoTV cannot prevent you from the FTA channels if you don't pay, yet technically the company is one ./Ok3ch On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 10:33 AM, James Njoroge via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Can someone explain to me why DSTV prevents you from watching local channels when you don't pay your subscription. It seems unfair to me as they are basically asking you to pay for something that's free.
On 16 February 2015 at 21:35, Job Muriuki via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
It's all about the money they stand to lose to the new entrants in the industry. How long do you think they can last not airing any Adverts before companies decide to ship out and look for alternatives.
Regards, Job Muriuki,
Skype: heviejob
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Shadrack, we do respect your opinion, but you really need to read about the whole saga in order to be able to even 'think' about anything related to it:-)
What does the sale of the STBs got to do with in in your opinion? Didn't the Cartel already know that CCK (CA) licensed about 60 distributors for the STBs (non-subscription) ?
On 16 February 2015 at 12:13, Shadrack Mwaniki via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Me thinks the problem has to do with the sale of setboxes with monthly subscription to views who only interest is the free-to-air channels.
On Monday, February 16, 2015 11:29 AM, Stephen Munguti via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I have a few questions, that i also need answered
Whats copyright infringement/plagiarism?
How has DSTV satellite broadcasting been delivering KTN,NTV and Citizen to their viewers in remote areas, inclusive of neighboring countries, prior to all this problems beginning, was it illegal?
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Tony Likhanga via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
While at it, have a look at the recent debate below involving the concerned parties :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLju9OXByl4 <http://goog_1156770803/> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wxWdPK8j3c
Tony.
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Oh okay. On 17 February 2015 at 10:59, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@James - the pay TV license is different from the digital distribution licence - thats why DSTV can prevent you if you don't pay but GoTV cannot prevent you from the FTA channels if you don't pay, yet technically the company is one
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 10:33 AM, James Njoroge via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Can someone explain to me why DSTV prevents you from watching local channels when you don't pay your subscription. It seems unfair to me as they are basically asking you to pay for something that's free.
On 16 February 2015 at 21:35, Job Muriuki via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
It's all about the money they stand to lose to the new entrants in the industry. How long do you think they can last not airing any Adverts before companies decide to ship out and look for alternatives.
Regards, Job Muriuki,
Skype: heviejob
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Shadrack, we do respect your opinion, but you really need to read about the whole saga in order to be able to even 'think' about anything related to it:-)
What does the sale of the STBs got to do with in in your opinion? Didn't the Cartel already know that CCK (CA) licensed about 60 distributors for the STBs (non-subscription) ?
On 16 February 2015 at 12:13, Shadrack Mwaniki via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Me thinks the problem has to do with the sale of setboxes with monthly subscription to views who only interest is the free-to-air channels.
On Monday, February 16, 2015 11:29 AM, Stephen Munguti via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I have a few questions, that i also need answered
Whats copyright infringement/plagiarism?
How has DSTV satellite broadcasting been delivering KTN,NTV and Citizen to their viewers in remote areas, inclusive of neighboring countries, prior to all this problems beginning, was it illegal?
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Tony Likhanga via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
While at it, have a look at the recent debate below involving the concerned parties :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLju9OXByl4 <http://goog_1156770803/> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wxWdPK8j3c
Tony.
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I remember GoTV asking for a one time "administration fee" of about 1,500 or something close for them to allow you to watch FTA channels even when your subscription is expired. Did this change? On 17 February 2015 at 10:59, Okechukwu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
@James - the pay TV license is different from the digital distribution licence - thats why DSTV can prevent you if you don't pay but GoTV cannot prevent you from the FTA channels if you don't pay, yet technically the company is one
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 10:33 AM, James Njoroge via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Can someone explain to me why DSTV prevents you from watching local channels when you don't pay your subscription. It seems unfair to me as they are basically asking you to pay for something that's free.
On 16 February 2015 at 21:35, Job Muriuki via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
It's all about the money they stand to lose to the new entrants in the industry. How long do you think they can last not airing any Adverts before companies decide to ship out and look for alternatives.
Regards, Job Muriuki,
Skype: heviejob
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Shadrack, we do respect your opinion, but you really need to read about the whole saga in order to be able to even 'think' about anything related to it:-)
What does the sale of the STBs got to do with in in your opinion? Didn't the Cartel already know that CCK (CA) licensed about 60 distributors for the STBs (non-subscription) ?
On 16 February 2015 at 12:13, Shadrack Mwaniki via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Me thinks the problem has to do with the sale of setboxes with monthly subscription to views who only interest is the free-to-air channels.
On Monday, February 16, 2015 11:29 AM, Stephen Munguti via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I have a few questions, that i also need answered
Whats copyright infringement/plagiarism?
How has DSTV satellite broadcasting been delivering KTN,NTV and Citizen to their viewers in remote areas, inclusive of neighboring countries, prior to all this problems beginning, was it illegal?
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Tony Likhanga via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
While at it, have a look at the recent debate below involving the concerned parties :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLju9OXByl4 <http://goog_1156770803/> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wxWdPK8j3c
Tony.
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Also maybe we can do a research here, Does the Startimes STB receive signet channels? Does the GoTV STB receive signet channels? I know that the Government STB recieves both STV and GOTV save for the scrambling issue. The digital TV is equivalent to the govt recommended STB So the last question is this, if KTN,NTV and Citizen were to invest in the transmission equipment, what would stop the current STB from receiving their signal? On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I remember GoTV asking for a one time "administration fee" of about 1,500 or something close for them to allow you to watch FTA channels even when your subscription is expired. Did this change?
On 17 February 2015 at 10:59, Okechukwu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
@James - the pay TV license is different from the digital distribution licence - thats why DSTV can prevent you if you don't pay but GoTV cannot prevent you from the FTA channels if you don't pay, yet technically the company is one
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 10:33 AM, James Njoroge via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Can someone explain to me why DSTV prevents you from watching local channels when you don't pay your subscription. It seems unfair to me as they are basically asking you to pay for something that's free.
On 16 February 2015 at 21:35, Job Muriuki via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
It's all about the money they stand to lose to the new entrants in the industry. How long do you think they can last not airing any Adverts before companies decide to ship out and look for alternatives.
Regards, Job Muriuki,
Skype: heviejob
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Shadrack, we do respect your opinion, but you really need to read about the whole saga in order to be able to even 'think' about anything related to it:-)
What does the sale of the STBs got to do with in in your opinion? Didn't the Cartel already know that CCK (CA) licensed about 60 distributors for the STBs (non-subscription) ?
On 16 February 2015 at 12:13, Shadrack Mwaniki via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Me thinks the problem has to do with the sale of setboxes with monthly subscription to views who only interest is the free-to-air channels.
On Monday, February 16, 2015 11:29 AM, Stephen Munguti via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I have a few questions, that i also need answered
Whats copyright infringement/plagiarism?
How has DSTV satellite broadcasting been delivering KTN,NTV and Citizen to their viewers in remote areas, inclusive of neighboring countries, prior to all this problems beginning, was it illegal?
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Tony Likhanga via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
While at it, have a look at the recent debate below involving the concerned parties :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLju9OXByl4 <http://goog_1156770803/> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wxWdPK8j3c
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All the STBs licensed by CA are for receiving, primarily, the FTAs. So, let's start with the Bamba (from Radio Africa Group). It is supposed to and was sreceiving the FTAs before the self-switch-off. 1. Does the Startimes STB receive SIGNET channels? Sorry, I don't have it so I don't know. 2. Does the GoTV STB receive SIGNET channels? I think it does, but I need to verify tonight:) 3. The govt STB is which one?? 4. My Sony Digital TV receives GoTV, Startimes, SIGNET, Bamba and some other signals there.... but the scrambling of some of them obviously is the issue. On 17 February 2015 at 12:35, Stephen Munguti <kamitu.sm@gmail.com> wrote:
Also maybe we can do a research here,
Does the Startimes STB receive signet channels? Does the GoTV STB receive signet channels? I know that the Government STB recieves both STV and GOTV save for the scrambling issue. The digital TV is equivalent to the govt recommended STB
So the last question is this, if KTN,NTV and Citizen were to invest in the transmission equipment, what would stop the current STB from receiving their signal?
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I remember GoTV asking for a one time "administration fee" of about 1,500 or something close for them to allow you to watch FTA channels even when your subscription is expired. Did this change?
On 17 February 2015 at 10:59, Okechukwu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
@James - the pay TV license is different from the digital distribution licence - thats why DSTV can prevent you if you don't pay but GoTV cannot prevent you from the FTA channels if you don't pay, yet technically the company is one
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 10:33 AM, James Njoroge via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Can someone explain to me why DSTV prevents you from watching local channels when you don't pay your subscription. It seems unfair to me as they are basically asking you to pay for something that's free.
On 16 February 2015 at 21:35, Job Muriuki via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
It's all about the money they stand to lose to the new entrants in the industry. How long do you think they can last not airing any Adverts before companies decide to ship out and look for alternatives.
Regards, Job Muriuki,
Skype: heviejob
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Shadrack, we do respect your opinion, but you really need to read about the whole saga in order to be able to even 'think' about anything related to it:-)
What does the sale of the STBs got to do with in in your opinion? Didn't the Cartel already know that CCK (CA) licensed about 60 distributors for the STBs (non-subscription) ?
On 16 February 2015 at 12:13, Shadrack Mwaniki via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
> Me thinks the problem has to do with the sale of setboxes with > monthly subscription to views who only interest is the free-to-air channels. > > > On Monday, February 16, 2015 11:29 AM, Stephen Munguti via > skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > > > I have a few questions, that i also need answered > > Whats copyright infringement/plagiarism? > > How has DSTV satellite broadcasting been delivering KTN,NTV and > Citizen to their viewers in remote areas, inclusive of neighboring > countries, prior to all this problems beginning, was it illegal? > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Tony Likhanga via skunkworks < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > > While at it, have a look at the recent debate below involving the > concerned parties : > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLju9OXByl4 > <http://goog_1156770803/> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wxWdPK8j3c > > Tony. > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > > > -- > > Best Regards, > Stephen Munguti. > > +254720425104 > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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by govt STB, i mean the STB licensed by CA and distributed by the 60 licensed distributors On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
All the STBs licensed by CA are for receiving, primarily, the FTAs.
So, let's start with the Bamba (from Radio Africa Group). It is supposed to and was sreceiving the FTAs before the self-switch-off.
1. Does the Startimes STB receive SIGNET channels? Sorry, I don't have it so I don't know. 2. Does the GoTV STB receive SIGNET channels? I think it does, but I need to verify tonight:) 3. The govt STB is which one?? 4. My Sony Digital TV receives GoTV, Startimes, SIGNET, Bamba and some other signals there.... but the scrambling of some of them obviously is the issue.
On 17 February 2015 at 12:35, Stephen Munguti <kamitu.sm@gmail.com> wrote:
Also maybe we can do a research here,
Does the Startimes STB receive signet channels? Does the GoTV STB receive signet channels? I know that the Government STB recieves both STV and GOTV save for the scrambling issue. The digital TV is equivalent to the govt recommended STB
So the last question is this, if KTN,NTV and Citizen were to invest in the transmission equipment, what would stop the current STB from receiving their signal?
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I remember GoTV asking for a one time "administration fee" of about 1,500 or something close for them to allow you to watch FTA channels even when your subscription is expired. Did this change?
On 17 February 2015 at 10:59, Okechukwu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
@James - the pay TV license is different from the digital distribution licence - thats why DSTV can prevent you if you don't pay but GoTV cannot prevent you from the FTA channels if you don't pay, yet technically the company is one
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 10:33 AM, James Njoroge via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Can someone explain to me why DSTV prevents you from watching local channels when you don't pay your subscription. It seems unfair to me as they are basically asking you to pay for something that's free.
On 16 February 2015 at 21:35, Job Muriuki via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
It's all about the money they stand to lose to the new entrants in the industry. How long do you think they can last not airing any Adverts before companies decide to ship out and look for alternatives.
Regards, Job Muriuki,
Skype: heviejob
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
> Shadrack, we do respect your opinion, but you really need to read > about the whole saga in order to be able to even 'think' about anything > related to it:-) > > What does the sale of the STBs got to do with in in your opinion? > Didn't the Cartel already know that CCK (CA) licensed about 60 > distributors for the STBs (non-subscription) ? > > > On 16 February 2015 at 12:13, Shadrack Mwaniki via skunkworks < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > >> Me thinks the problem has to do with the sale of setboxes with >> monthly subscription to views who only interest is the free-to-air channels. >> >> >> On Monday, February 16, 2015 11:29 AM, Stephen Munguti via >> skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >> >> I have a few questions, that i also need answered >> >> Whats copyright infringement/plagiarism? >> >> How has DSTV satellite broadcasting been delivering KTN,NTV and >> Citizen to their viewers in remote areas, inclusive of neighboring >> countries, prior to all this problems beginning, was it illegal? >> >> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Tony Likhanga via skunkworks < >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >> While at it, have a look at the recent debate below involving the >> concerned parties : >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLju9OXByl4 >> <http://goog_1156770803/> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wxWdPK8j3c >> >> Tony. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Best Regards, >> Stephen Munguti. >> >> +254720425104 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254733744121/+254722743223 > "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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I'm lost here, isnt GoTV same s signet? On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Stephen Munguti via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
by govt STB, i mean the STB licensed by CA and distributed by the 60 licensed distributors
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
All the STBs licensed by CA are for receiving, primarily, the FTAs.
So, let's start with the Bamba (from Radio Africa Group). It is supposed to and was sreceiving the FTAs before the self-switch-off.
1. Does the Startimes STB receive SIGNET channels? Sorry, I don't have it so I don't know. 2. Does the GoTV STB receive SIGNET channels? I think it does, but I need to verify tonight:) 3. The govt STB is which one?? 4. My Sony Digital TV receives GoTV, Startimes, SIGNET, Bamba and some other signals there.... but the scrambling of some of them obviously is the issue.
On 17 February 2015 at 12:35, Stephen Munguti <kamitu.sm@gmail.com> wrote:
Also maybe we can do a research here,
Does the Startimes STB receive signet channels? Does the GoTV STB receive signet channels? I know that the Government STB recieves both STV and GOTV save for the scrambling issue. The digital TV is equivalent to the govt recommended STB
So the last question is this, if KTN,NTV and Citizen were to invest in the transmission equipment, what would stop the current STB from receiving their signal?
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I remember GoTV asking for a one time "administration fee" of about 1,500 or something close for them to allow you to watch FTA channels even when your subscription is expired. Did this change?
On 17 February 2015 at 10:59, Okechukwu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
@James - the pay TV license is different from the digital distribution licence - thats why DSTV can prevent you if you don't pay but GoTV cannot prevent you from the FTA channels if you don't pay, yet technically the company is one
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 10:33 AM, James Njoroge via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Can someone explain to me why DSTV prevents you from watching local channels when you don't pay your subscription. It seems unfair to me as they are basically asking you to pay for something that's free.
On 16 February 2015 at 21:35, Job Muriuki via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
> It's all about the money they stand to lose to the new entrants in > the industry. > How long do you think they can last not airing any Adverts before > companies > decide to ship out and look for alternatives. > > Regards, > Job Muriuki, > > Skype: heviejob > > > > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks > <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > >> Shadrack, we do respect your opinion, but you really need to read >> about the whole saga in order to be able to even 'think' about anything >> related to it:-) >> >> What does the sale of the STBs got to do with in in your opinion? >> Didn't the Cartel already know that CCK (CA) licensed about 60 >> distributors for the STBs (non-subscription) ? >> >> >> On 16 February 2015 at 12:13, Shadrack Mwaniki via skunkworks < >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >>> Me thinks the problem has to do with the sale of setboxes with >>> monthly subscription to views who only interest is the free-to-air channels. >>> >>> >>> On Monday, February 16, 2015 11:29 AM, Stephen Munguti via >>> skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>> >>> >>> I have a few questions, that i also need answered >>> >>> Whats copyright infringement/plagiarism? >>> >>> How has DSTV satellite broadcasting been delivering KTN,NTV and >>> Citizen to their viewers in remote areas, inclusive of neighboring >>> countries, prior to all this problems beginning, was it illegal? >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Tony Likhanga via skunkworks < >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>> >>> While at it, have a look at the recent debate below involving the >>> concerned parties : >>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLju9OXByl4 >>> <http://goog_1156770803/> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wxWdPK8j3c >>> >>> Tony. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> Stephen Munguti. >>> >>> +254720425104 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >> Nairobi,KE >> +254733744121/+254722743223 >> "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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there are three signal distributors, DSTV which transmits as GoTV PANG which transmits as PANG also owns Startimes BAMBA - radio africa group SIGNET- an arm of KBC then finally we have ADNC On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:04 PM, Paul Njoroge <njorogekamau@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm lost here, isnt GoTV same s signet?
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Stephen Munguti via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
by govt STB, i mean the STB licensed by CA and distributed by the 60 licensed distributors
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com
wrote:
All the STBs licensed by CA are for receiving, primarily, the FTAs.
So, let's start with the Bamba (from Radio Africa Group). It is supposed to and was sreceiving the FTAs before the self-switch-off.
1. Does the Startimes STB receive SIGNET channels? Sorry, I don't have it so I don't know. 2. Does the GoTV STB receive SIGNET channels? I think it does, but I need to verify tonight:) 3. The govt STB is which one?? 4. My Sony Digital TV receives GoTV, Startimes, SIGNET, Bamba and some other signals there.... but the scrambling of some of them obviously is the issue.
On 17 February 2015 at 12:35, Stephen Munguti <kamitu.sm@gmail.com> wrote:
Also maybe we can do a research here,
Does the Startimes STB receive signet channels? Does the GoTV STB receive signet channels? I know that the Government STB recieves both STV and GOTV save for the scrambling issue. The digital TV is equivalent to the govt recommended STB
So the last question is this, if KTN,NTV and Citizen were to invest in the transmission equipment, what would stop the current STB from receiving their signal?
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I remember GoTV asking for a one time "administration fee" of about 1,500 or something close for them to allow you to watch FTA channels even when your subscription is expired. Did this change?
On 17 February 2015 at 10:59, Okechukwu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
@James - the pay TV license is different from the digital distribution licence - thats why DSTV can prevent you if you don't pay but GoTV cannot prevent you from the FTA channels if you don't pay, yet technically the company is one
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 10:33 AM, James Njoroge via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
> Can someone explain to me why DSTV prevents you from watching local > channels when you don't pay your subscription. It seems unfair to me as > they are basically asking you to pay for something that's free. > > > On 16 February 2015 at 21:35, Job Muriuki via skunkworks < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > >> It's all about the money they stand to lose to the new entrants in >> the industry. >> How long do you think they can last not airing any Adverts before >> companies >> decide to ship out and look for alternatives. >> >> Regards, >> Job Muriuki, >> >> Skype: heviejob >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Odhiambo Washington via >> skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >>> Shadrack, we do respect your opinion, but you really need to read >>> about the whole saga in order to be able to even 'think' about anything >>> related to it:-) >>> >>> What does the sale of the STBs got to do with in in your opinion? >>> Didn't the Cartel already know that CCK (CA) licensed about 60 >>> distributors for the STBs (non-subscription) ? >>> >>> >>> On 16 February 2015 at 12:13, Shadrack Mwaniki via skunkworks < >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>> >>>> Me thinks the problem has to do with the sale of setboxes with >>>> monthly subscription to views who only interest is the free-to-air channels. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Monday, February 16, 2015 11:29 AM, Stephen Munguti via >>>> skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> I have a few questions, that i also need answered >>>> >>>> Whats copyright infringement/plagiarism? >>>> >>>> How has DSTV satellite broadcasting been delivering KTN,NTV and >>>> Citizen to their viewers in remote areas, inclusive of neighboring >>>> countries, prior to all this problems beginning, was it illegal? >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Tony Likhanga via skunkworks < >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>> >>>> While at it, have a look at the recent debate below involving the >>>> concerned parties : >>>> >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLju9OXByl4 >>>> <http://goog_1156770803/> >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wxWdPK8j3c >>>> >>>> Tony. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Best Regards, >>>> Stephen Munguti. >>>> >>>> +254720425104 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >>> Nairobi,KE >>> +254733744121/+254722743223 >>> "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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Hhhm those are 4 On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Stephen Munguti <kamitu.sm@gmail.com> wrote:
there are three signal distributors,
DSTV which transmits as GoTV PANG which transmits as PANG also owns Startimes BAMBA - radio africa group SIGNET- an arm of KBC then finally we have ADNC
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:04 PM, Paul Njoroge <njorogekamau@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm lost here, isnt GoTV same s signet?
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Stephen Munguti via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
by govt STB, i mean the STB licensed by CA and distributed by the 60 licensed distributors
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
All the STBs licensed by CA are for receiving, primarily, the FTAs.
So, let's start with the Bamba (from Radio Africa Group). It is supposed to and was sreceiving the FTAs before the self-switch-off.
1. Does the Startimes STB receive SIGNET channels? Sorry, I don't have it so I don't know. 2. Does the GoTV STB receive SIGNET channels? I think it does, but I need to verify tonight:) 3. The govt STB is which one?? 4. My Sony Digital TV receives GoTV, Startimes, SIGNET, Bamba and some other signals there.... but the scrambling of some of them obviously is the issue.
On 17 February 2015 at 12:35, Stephen Munguti <kamitu.sm@gmail.com> wrote:
Also maybe we can do a research here,
Does the Startimes STB receive signet channels? Does the GoTV STB receive signet channels? I know that the Government STB recieves both STV and GOTV save for the scrambling issue. The digital TV is equivalent to the govt recommended STB
So the last question is this, if KTN,NTV and Citizen were to invest in the transmission equipment, what would stop the current STB from receiving their signal?
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I remember GoTV asking for a one time "administration fee" of about 1,500 or something close for them to allow you to watch FTA channels even when your subscription is expired. Did this change?
On 17 February 2015 at 10:59, Okechukwu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
> @James - the pay TV license is different from the digital > distribution licence - thats why DSTV can prevent you if you don't pay but > GoTV cannot prevent you from the FTA channels if you don't pay, yet > technically the company is one > > ./Ok3ch > > On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 10:33 AM, James Njoroge via skunkworks < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > >> Can someone explain to me why DSTV prevents you from watching local >> channels when you don't pay your subscription. It seems unfair to me as >> they are basically asking you to pay for something that's free. >> >> >> On 16 February 2015 at 21:35, Job Muriuki via skunkworks < >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >>> It's all about the money they stand to lose to the new entrants >>> in the industry. >>> How long do you think they can last not airing any Adverts before >>> companies >>> decide to ship out and look for alternatives. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Job Muriuki, >>> >>> Skype: heviejob >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Odhiambo Washington via >>> skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>> >>>> Shadrack, we do respect your opinion, but you really need to read >>>> about the whole saga in order to be able to even 'think' about anything >>>> related to it:-) >>>> >>>> What does the sale of the STBs got to do with in in your opinion? >>>> Didn't the Cartel already know that CCK (CA) licensed about 60 >>>> distributors for the STBs (non-subscription) ? >>>> >>>> >>>> On 16 February 2015 at 12:13, Shadrack Mwaniki via skunkworks < >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Me thinks the problem has to do with the sale of setboxes with >>>>> monthly subscription to views who only interest is the free-to-air channels. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, February 16, 2015 11:29 AM, Stephen Munguti via >>>>> skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I have a few questions, that i also need answered >>>>> >>>>> Whats copyright infringement/plagiarism? >>>>> >>>>> How has DSTV satellite broadcasting been delivering KTN,NTV and >>>>> Citizen to their viewers in remote areas, inclusive of neighboring >>>>> countries, prior to all this problems beginning, was it illegal? >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Tony Likhanga via skunkworks < >>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> While at it, have a look at the recent debate below involving >>>>> the concerned parties : >>>>> >>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLju9OXByl4 >>>>> <http://goog_1156770803/> >>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wxWdPK8j3c >>>>> >>>>> Tony. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>> ------------ >>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>> ------------ >>>>> >>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>> ------------ >>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Best Regards, >>>>> Stephen Munguti. >>>>> >>>>> +254720425104 >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>> ------------ >>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>> ------------ >>>>> >>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>> ------------ >>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>> ------------ >>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>> ------------ >>>>> >>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>> ------------ >>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Best regards, >>>> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >>>> Nairobi,KE >>>> +254733744121/+254722743223 >>>> "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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If you include DSTV also include AZAM tv Regards Simon On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Paul Njoroge via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Hhhm those are 4
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Stephen Munguti <kamitu.sm@gmail.com> wrote:
there are three signal distributors,
DSTV which transmits as GoTV PANG which transmits as PANG also owns Startimes BAMBA - radio africa group SIGNET- an arm of KBC then finally we have ADNC
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:04 PM, Paul Njoroge <njorogekamau@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm lost here, isnt GoTV same s signet?
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Stephen Munguti via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
by govt STB, i mean the STB licensed by CA and distributed by the 60 licensed distributors
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
All the STBs licensed by CA are for receiving, primarily, the FTAs.
So, let's start with the Bamba (from Radio Africa Group). It is supposed to and was sreceiving the FTAs before the self-switch-off.
1. Does the Startimes STB receive SIGNET channels? Sorry, I don't have it so I don't know. 2. Does the GoTV STB receive SIGNET channels? I think it does, but I need to verify tonight:) 3. The govt STB is which one?? 4. My Sony Digital TV receives GoTV, Startimes, SIGNET, Bamba and some other signals there.... but the scrambling of some of them obviously is the issue.
On 17 February 2015 at 12:35, Stephen Munguti <kamitu.sm@gmail.com> wrote:
Also maybe we can do a research here,
Does the Startimes STB receive signet channels? Does the GoTV STB receive signet channels? I know that the Government STB recieves both STV and GOTV save for the scrambling issue. The digital TV is equivalent to the govt recommended STB
So the last question is this, if KTN,NTV and Citizen were to invest in the transmission equipment, what would stop the current STB from receiving their signal?
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
> I remember GoTV asking for a one time "administration fee" of about > 1,500 or something close for them to allow you to watch FTA channels even > when your subscription is expired. Did this change? > > On 17 February 2015 at 10:59, Okechukwu via skunkworks < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > >> @James - the pay TV license is different from the digital >> distribution licence - thats why DSTV can prevent you if you don't pay but >> GoTV cannot prevent you from the FTA channels if you don't pay, yet >> technically the company is one >> >> ./Ok3ch >> >> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 10:33 AM, James Njoroge via skunkworks < >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >>> Can someone explain to me why DSTV prevents you from watching >>> local channels when you don't pay your subscription. It seems unfair to me >>> as they are basically asking you to pay for something that's free. >>> >>> >>> On 16 February 2015 at 21:35, Job Muriuki via skunkworks < >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>> >>>> It's all about the money they stand to lose to the new entrants >>>> in the industry. >>>> How long do you think they can last not airing any Adverts before >>>> companies >>>> decide to ship out and look for alternatives. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Job Muriuki, >>>> >>>> Skype: heviejob >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Odhiambo Washington via >>>> skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Shadrack, we do respect your opinion, but you really need to >>>>> read about the whole saga in order to be able to even 'think' about >>>>> anything related to it:-) >>>>> >>>>> What does the sale of the STBs got to do with in in your opinion? >>>>> Didn't the Cartel already know that CCK (CA) licensed about 60 >>>>> distributors for the STBs (non-subscription) ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 12:13, Shadrack Mwaniki via skunkworks < >>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Me thinks the problem has to do with the sale of setboxes with >>>>>> monthly subscription to views who only interest is the free-to-air channels. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, February 16, 2015 11:29 AM, Stephen Munguti via >>>>>> skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I have a few questions, that i also need answered >>>>>> >>>>>> Whats copyright infringement/plagiarism? >>>>>> >>>>>> How has DSTV satellite broadcasting been delivering KTN,NTV and >>>>>> Citizen to their viewers in remote areas, inclusive of neighboring >>>>>> countries, prior to all this problems beginning, was it illegal? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Tony Likhanga via skunkworks >>>>>> <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> While at it, have a look at the recent debate below involving >>>>>> the concerned parties : >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLju9OXByl4 >>>>>> <http://goog_1156770803/> >>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wxWdPK8j3c >>>>>> >>>>>> Tony. >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> Best Regards, >>>>>> Stephen Munguti. >>>>>> >>>>>> +254720425104 >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >>>>> Nairobi,KE >>>>> +254733744121/+254722743223 >>>>> "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>> ------------ >>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>> ------------ >>>>> >>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>> ------------ >>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254733744121/+254722743223 > "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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Then again, they are not the same; two licenses are at play (Self provisioning license - They cannot transmit third party content, only their content) (Broadcast Signal Distributor - They transmit third party content, are ideally not content providers) DSTV which transmits as GoTV - *Self provisioning license* PANG which transmits as PANG also owns Startimes - *Broadcast Signal Distributor* BAMBA - radio africa group - *Self provisioning license* SIGNET- an arm of KBC - *Broadcast Signal Distributor* then finally we have ADNC -*Self provisioning license* Now, the big question is why would ADNC be interested in signal distribution since they cannot offer it as a service and hence will only incur additional cost of network maintenance without any revenues generated. On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Stephen Munguti via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
there are three signal distributors,
DSTV which transmits as GoTV PANG which transmits as PANG also owns Startimes BAMBA - radio africa group SIGNET- an arm of KBC then finally we have ADNC
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:04 PM, Paul Njoroge <njorogekamau@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm lost here, isnt GoTV same s signet?
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Stephen Munguti via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
by govt STB, i mean the STB licensed by CA and distributed by the 60 licensed distributors
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
All the STBs licensed by CA are for receiving, primarily, the FTAs.
So, let's start with the Bamba (from Radio Africa Group). It is supposed to and was sreceiving the FTAs before the self-switch-off.
1. Does the Startimes STB receive SIGNET channels? Sorry, I don't have it so I don't know. 2. Does the GoTV STB receive SIGNET channels? I think it does, but I need to verify tonight:) 3. The govt STB is which one?? 4. My Sony Digital TV receives GoTV, Startimes, SIGNET, Bamba and some other signals there.... but the scrambling of some of them obviously is the issue.
On 17 February 2015 at 12:35, Stephen Munguti <kamitu.sm@gmail.com> wrote:
Also maybe we can do a research here,
Does the Startimes STB receive signet channels? Does the GoTV STB receive signet channels? I know that the Government STB recieves both STV and GOTV save for the scrambling issue. The digital TV is equivalent to the govt recommended STB
So the last question is this, if KTN,NTV and Citizen were to invest in the transmission equipment, what would stop the current STB from receiving their signal?
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I remember GoTV asking for a one time "administration fee" of about 1,500 or something close for them to allow you to watch FTA channels even when your subscription is expired. Did this change?
On 17 February 2015 at 10:59, Okechukwu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
> @James - the pay TV license is different from the digital > distribution licence - thats why DSTV can prevent you if you don't pay but > GoTV cannot prevent you from the FTA channels if you don't pay, yet > technically the company is one > > ./Ok3ch > > On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 10:33 AM, James Njoroge via skunkworks < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > >> Can someone explain to me why DSTV prevents you from watching local >> channels when you don't pay your subscription. It seems unfair to me as >> they are basically asking you to pay for something that's free. >> >> >> On 16 February 2015 at 21:35, Job Muriuki via skunkworks < >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >>> It's all about the money they stand to lose to the new entrants >>> in the industry. >>> How long do you think they can last not airing any Adverts before >>> companies >>> decide to ship out and look for alternatives. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Job Muriuki, >>> >>> Skype: heviejob >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Odhiambo Washington via >>> skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>> >>>> Shadrack, we do respect your opinion, but you really need to read >>>> about the whole saga in order to be able to even 'think' about anything >>>> related to it:-) >>>> >>>> What does the sale of the STBs got to do with in in your opinion? >>>> Didn't the Cartel already know that CCK (CA) licensed about 60 >>>> distributors for the STBs (non-subscription) ? >>>> >>>> >>>> On 16 February 2015 at 12:13, Shadrack Mwaniki via skunkworks < >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Me thinks the problem has to do with the sale of setboxes with >>>>> monthly subscription to views who only interest is the free-to-air channels. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, February 16, 2015 11:29 AM, Stephen Munguti via >>>>> skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I have a few questions, that i also need answered >>>>> >>>>> Whats copyright infringement/plagiarism? >>>>> >>>>> How has DSTV satellite broadcasting been delivering KTN,NTV and >>>>> Citizen to their viewers in remote areas, inclusive of neighboring >>>>> countries, prior to all this problems beginning, was it illegal? >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Tony Likhanga via skunkworks < >>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> While at it, have a look at the recent debate below involving >>>>> the concerned parties : >>>>> >>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLju9OXByl4 >>>>> <http://goog_1156770803/> >>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wxWdPK8j3c >>>>> >>>>> Tony. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>> ------------ >>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>> ------------ >>>>> >>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>> ------------ >>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Best Regards, >>>>> Stephen Munguti. >>>>> >>>>> +254720425104 >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>> ------------ >>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>> ------------ >>>>> >>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>> ------------ >>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>> ------------ >>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>> ------------ >>>>> >>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>> ------------ >>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Best regards, >>>> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >>>> Nairobi,KE >>>> +254733744121/+254722743223 >>>> "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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And "third party content" doesn't include FTA, right? Now, help me understand who is the third party, especially if the signal is scrambled? On 17 February 2015 at 13:40, Alex Nderitu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Then again, they are not the same; two licenses are at play
(Self provisioning license - They cannot transmit third party content, only their content) (Broadcast Signal Distributor - They transmit third party content, are ideally not content providers)
DSTV which transmits as GoTV - *Self provisioning license* PANG which transmits as PANG also owns Startimes - *Broadcast Signal Distributor* BAMBA - radio africa group - *Self provisioning license* SIGNET- an arm of KBC - *Broadcast Signal Distributor* then finally we have ADNC -*Self provisioning license*
Now, the big question is why would ADNC be interested in signal distribution since they cannot offer it as a service and hence will only incur additional cost of network maintenance without any revenues generated.
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Stephen Munguti via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
there are three signal distributors,
DSTV which transmits as GoTV PANG which transmits as PANG also owns Startimes BAMBA - radio africa group SIGNET- an arm of KBC then finally we have ADNC
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:04 PM, Paul Njoroge <njorogekamau@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm lost here, isnt GoTV same s signet?
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Stephen Munguti via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
by govt STB, i mean the STB licensed by CA and distributed by the 60 licensed distributors
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
All the STBs licensed by CA are for receiving, primarily, the FTAs.
So, let's start with the Bamba (from Radio Africa Group). It is supposed to and was sreceiving the FTAs before the self-switch-off.
1. Does the Startimes STB receive SIGNET channels? Sorry, I don't have it so I don't know. 2. Does the GoTV STB receive SIGNET channels? I think it does, but I need to verify tonight:) 3. The govt STB is which one?? 4. My Sony Digital TV receives GoTV, Startimes, SIGNET, Bamba and some other signals there.... but the scrambling of some of them obviously is the issue.
On 17 February 2015 at 12:35, Stephen Munguti <kamitu.sm@gmail.com> wrote:
Also maybe we can do a research here,
Does the Startimes STB receive signet channels? Does the GoTV STB receive signet channels? I know that the Government STB recieves both STV and GOTV save for the scrambling issue. The digital TV is equivalent to the govt recommended STB
So the last question is this, if KTN,NTV and Citizen were to invest in the transmission equipment, what would stop the current STB from receiving their signal?
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
> I remember GoTV asking for a one time "administration fee" of about > 1,500 or something close for them to allow you to watch FTA channels even > when your subscription is expired. Did this change? > > On 17 February 2015 at 10:59, Okechukwu via skunkworks < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > >> @James - the pay TV license is different from the digital >> distribution licence - thats why DSTV can prevent you if you don't pay but >> GoTV cannot prevent you from the FTA channels if you don't pay, yet >> technically the company is one >> >> ./Ok3ch >> >> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 10:33 AM, James Njoroge via skunkworks < >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >>> Can someone explain to me why DSTV prevents you from watching >>> local channels when you don't pay your subscription. It seems unfair to me >>> as they are basically asking you to pay for something that's free. >>> >>> >>> On 16 February 2015 at 21:35, Job Muriuki via skunkworks < >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>> >>>> It's all about the money they stand to lose to the new entrants >>>> in the industry. >>>> How long do you think they can last not airing any Adverts before >>>> companies >>>> decide to ship out and look for alternatives. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Job Muriuki, >>>> >>>> Skype: heviejob >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Odhiambo Washington via >>>> skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Shadrack, we do respect your opinion, but you really need to >>>>> read about the whole saga in order to be able to even 'think' about >>>>> anything related to it:-) >>>>> >>>>> What does the sale of the STBs got to do with in in your opinion? >>>>> Didn't the Cartel already know that CCK (CA) licensed about 60 >>>>> distributors for the STBs (non-subscription) ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 12:13, Shadrack Mwaniki via skunkworks < >>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Me thinks the problem has to do with the sale of setboxes with >>>>>> monthly subscription to views who only interest is the free-to-air channels. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, February 16, 2015 11:29 AM, Stephen Munguti via >>>>>> skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I have a few questions, that i also need answered >>>>>> >>>>>> Whats copyright infringement/plagiarism? >>>>>> >>>>>> How has DSTV satellite broadcasting been delivering KTN,NTV and >>>>>> Citizen to their viewers in remote areas, inclusive of neighboring >>>>>> countries, prior to all this problems beginning, was it illegal? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Tony Likhanga via skunkworks >>>>>> <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> While at it, have a look at the recent debate below involving >>>>>> the concerned parties : >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLju9OXByl4 >>>>>> <http://goog_1156770803/> >>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wxWdPK8j3c >>>>>> >>>>>> Tony. >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> Best Regards, >>>>>> Stephen Munguti. >>>>>> >>>>>> +254720425104 >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >>>>> Nairobi,KE >>>>> +254733744121/+254722743223 >>>>> "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>> ------------ >>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>> ------------ >>>>> >>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>> ------------ >>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254733744121/+254722743223 > "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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Third party content (or is it second party) is the channels in this case (Lolwe, Njata, EBRU etc) and this is FTA (not sure it can be non-FTA) but if it was the decoder wouldn't be FTA since the content provider would have to enforce conditional access (CA) and this is enforced at STB level. On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
And "third party content" doesn't include FTA, right?
Now, help me understand who is the third party, especially if the signal is scrambled?
On 17 February 2015 at 13:40, Alex Nderitu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Then again, they are not the same; two licenses are at play
(Self provisioning license - They cannot transmit third party content, only their content) (Broadcast Signal Distributor - They transmit third party content, are ideally not content providers)
DSTV which transmits as GoTV - *Self provisioning license* PANG which transmits as PANG also owns Startimes - *Broadcast Signal Distributor* BAMBA - radio africa group - *Self provisioning license* SIGNET- an arm of KBC - *Broadcast Signal Distributor* then finally we have ADNC -*Self provisioning license*
Now, the big question is why would ADNC be interested in signal distribution since they cannot offer it as a service and hence will only incur additional cost of network maintenance without any revenues generated.
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Stephen Munguti via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
there are three signal distributors,
DSTV which transmits as GoTV PANG which transmits as PANG also owns Startimes BAMBA - radio africa group SIGNET- an arm of KBC then finally we have ADNC
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:04 PM, Paul Njoroge <njorogekamau@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm lost here, isnt GoTV same s signet?
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Stephen Munguti via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
by govt STB, i mean the STB licensed by CA and distributed by the 60 licensed distributors
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
All the STBs licensed by CA are for receiving, primarily, the FTAs.
So, let's start with the Bamba (from Radio Africa Group). It is supposed to and was sreceiving the FTAs before the self-switch-off.
1. Does the Startimes STB receive SIGNET channels? Sorry, I don't have it so I don't know. 2. Does the GoTV STB receive SIGNET channels? I think it does, but I need to verify tonight:) 3. The govt STB is which one?? 4. My Sony Digital TV receives GoTV, Startimes, SIGNET, Bamba and some other signals there.... but the scrambling of some of them obviously is the issue.
On 17 February 2015 at 12:35, Stephen Munguti <kamitu.sm@gmail.com> wrote:
> Also maybe we can do a research here, > > Does the Startimes STB receive signet channels? > Does the GoTV STB receive signet channels? > I know that the Government STB recieves both STV and GOTV save for > the scrambling issue. > The digital TV is equivalent to the govt recommended STB > > So the last question is this, if KTN,NTV and Citizen were to invest > in the transmission equipment, what would stop the current STB from > receiving their signal? > > > On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks > <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > >> I remember GoTV asking for a one time "administration fee" of about >> 1,500 or something close for them to allow you to watch FTA channels even >> when your subscription is expired. Did this change? >> >> On 17 February 2015 at 10:59, Okechukwu via skunkworks < >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >>> @James - the pay TV license is different from the digital >>> distribution licence - thats why DSTV can prevent you if you don't pay but >>> GoTV cannot prevent you from the FTA channels if you don't pay, yet >>> technically the company is one >>> >>> ./Ok3ch >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 10:33 AM, James Njoroge via skunkworks < >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>> >>>> Can someone explain to me why DSTV prevents you from watching >>>> local channels when you don't pay your subscription. It seems unfair to me >>>> as they are basically asking you to pay for something that's free. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 16 February 2015 at 21:35, Job Muriuki via skunkworks < >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>> >>>>> It's all about the money they stand to lose to the new entrants >>>>> in the industry. >>>>> How long do you think they can last not airing any Adverts >>>>> before companies >>>>> decide to ship out and look for alternatives. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Job Muriuki, >>>>> >>>>> Skype: heviejob >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Odhiambo Washington via >>>>> skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Shadrack, we do respect your opinion, but you really need to >>>>>> read about the whole saga in order to be able to even 'think' about >>>>>> anything related to it:-) >>>>>> >>>>>> What does the sale of the STBs got to do with in in your >>>>>> opinion? >>>>>> Didn't the Cartel already know that CCK (CA) licensed about 60 >>>>>> distributors for the STBs (non-subscription) ? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 12:13, Shadrack Mwaniki via skunkworks < >>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Me thinks the problem has to do with the sale of setboxes with >>>>>>> monthly subscription to views who only interest is the free-to-air channels. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Monday, February 16, 2015 11:29 AM, Stephen Munguti via >>>>>>> skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have a few questions, that i also need answered >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Whats copyright infringement/plagiarism? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How has DSTV satellite broadcasting been delivering KTN,NTV >>>>>>> and Citizen to their viewers in remote areas, inclusive of neighboring >>>>>>> countries, prior to all this problems beginning, was it illegal? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Tony Likhanga via skunkworks >>>>>>> <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> While at it, have a look at 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Third party includes FTA yes Also the "must carry rule" applies for the *Self provisioning license *which according to DG is set at a minimum of 5 FTAs in addition to their exclusive content. These 5 should not be charged for access.That's why GOTV and Star times had to get the open decoder options -what is been referred to as "administration fees" here @Alex yes the decoder can be both FTA and have conditional access. Bamba decoder has both On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Alex Nderitu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Third party content (or is it second party) is the channels in this case (Lolwe, Njata, EBRU etc) and this is FTA (not sure it can be non-FTA) but if it was the decoder wouldn't be FTA since the content provider would have to enforce conditional access (CA) and this is enforced at STB level.
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
And "third party content" doesn't include FTA, right?
Now, help me understand who is the third party, especially if the signal is scrambled?
On 17 February 2015 at 13:40, Alex Nderitu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Then again, they are not the same; two licenses are at play
(Self provisioning license - They cannot transmit third party content, only their content) (Broadcast Signal Distributor - They transmit third party content, are ideally not content providers)
DSTV which transmits as GoTV - *Self provisioning license* PANG which transmits as PANG also owns Startimes - *Broadcast Signal Distributor* BAMBA - radio africa group - *Self provisioning license* SIGNET- an arm of KBC - *Broadcast Signal Distributor* then finally we have ADNC -*Self provisioning license*
Now, the big question is why would ADNC be interested in signal distribution since they cannot offer it as a service and hence will only incur additional cost of network maintenance without any revenues generated.
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Stephen Munguti via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
there are three signal distributors,
DSTV which transmits as GoTV PANG which transmits as PANG also owns Startimes BAMBA - radio africa group SIGNET- an arm of KBC then finally we have ADNC
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:04 PM, Paul Njoroge <njorogekamau@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm lost here, isnt GoTV same s signet?
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Stephen Munguti via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
by govt STB, i mean the STB licensed by CA and distributed by the 60 licensed distributors
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
> All the STBs licensed by CA are for receiving, primarily, the FTAs. > > So, let's start with the Bamba (from Radio Africa Group). It is > supposed to and was sreceiving the FTAs before the self-switch-off. > > 1. Does the Startimes STB receive SIGNET channels? Sorry, I don't > have it so I don't know. > 2. Does the GoTV STB receive SIGNET channels? I think it does, but I > need to verify tonight:) > 3. The govt STB is which one?? > 4. My Sony Digital TV receives GoTV, Startimes, SIGNET, Bamba and > some other signals there.... but the scrambling of some of them obviously > is the issue. > > > On 17 February 2015 at 12:35, Stephen Munguti <kamitu.sm@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Also maybe we can do a research here, >> >> Does the Startimes STB receive signet channels? >> Does the GoTV STB receive signet channels? >> I know that the Government STB recieves both STV and GOTV save for >> the scrambling issue. >> The digital TV is equivalent to the govt recommended STB >> >> So the last question is this, if KTN,NTV and Citizen were to invest >> in the transmission equipment, what would stop the current STB from >> receiving their signal? >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Odhiambo Washington via >> skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >>> I remember GoTV asking for a one time "administration fee" of >>> about 1,500 or something close for them to allow you to watch FTA channels >>> even when your subscription is expired. Did this change? >>> >>> On 17 February 2015 at 10:59, Okechukwu via skunkworks < >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>> >>>> @James - the pay TV license is different from the digital >>>> distribution licence - thats why DSTV can prevent you if you don't pay but >>>> GoTV cannot prevent you from the FTA channels if you don't pay, yet >>>> technically the company is one >>>> >>>> ./Ok3ch >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 10:33 AM, James Njoroge via skunkworks < >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Can someone explain to me why DSTV prevents you from watching >>>>> local channels when you don't pay your subscription. It seems unfair to me >>>>> as they are basically asking you to pay for something that's free. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 21:35, Job Muriuki via skunkworks < >>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It's all about the money they stand to lose to the new >>>>>> entrants in the industry. >>>>>> How long do you think they can last not airing any Adverts >>>>>> before companies >>>>>> decide to ship out and look for alternatives. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Job Muriuki, >>>>>> >>>>>> Skype: heviejob >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Odhiambo Washington via >>>>>> skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Shadrack, we do respect your opinion, but you really need to >>>>>>> read about the whole saga in order to be able to even 'think' about >>>>>>> anything related to it:-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What does the sale of the STBs got to do with in in your >>>>>>> opinion? >>>>>>> Didn't the Cartel already know that CCK (CA) licensed about 60 >>>>>>> distributors for the STBs (non-subscription) ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 12:13, Shadrack Mwaniki via skunkworks >>>>>>> <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Me thinks the problem has to do with the sale of setboxes >>>>>>>> with monthly subscription to views who only interest is the free-to-air >>>>>>>> channels. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Monday, February 16, 2015 11:29 AM, Stephen Munguti via >>>>>>>> skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have a few questions, that i also need answered >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Whats copyright infringement/plagiarism? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How has DSTV satellite broadcasting been delivering KTN,NTV >>>>>>>> and Citizen to their viewers in remote areas, inclusive of neighboring >>>>>>>> countries, prior to all this problems beginning, was it illegal? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Tony Likhanga via >>>>>>>> skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> While at it, have a look at the recent debate below involving >>>>>>>> the concerned parties : >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLju9OXByl4 >>>>>>>> <http://goog_1156770803/> >>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wxWdPK8j3c >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tony. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best Regards, >>>>>>>> Stephen Munguti. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> +254720425104 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> skunkworks mailing list 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@simon Then can we assume, if ADNC, decide not scramble their signal, then by law, the Gotv Decoder and Star times decoder should be able to receive their signals? What will the 5 FTA channels be in ADNC? now that they only have a total of 10 channels On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 2:06 PM, simon njoroge via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Third party includes FTA yes
Also the "must carry rule" applies for the *Self provisioning license *which according to DG is set at a minimum of 5 FTAs in addition to their exclusive content.
These 5 should not be charged for access.That's why GOTV and Star times had to get the open decoder options -what is been referred to as "administration fees" here
@Alex yes the decoder can be both FTA and have conditional access. Bamba decoder has both
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Alex Nderitu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Third party content (or is it second party) is the channels in this case (Lolwe, Njata, EBRU etc) and this is FTA (not sure it can be non-FTA) but if it was the decoder wouldn't be FTA since the content provider would have to enforce conditional access (CA) and this is enforced at STB level.
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
And "third party content" doesn't include FTA, right?
Now, help me understand who is the third party, especially if the signal is scrambled?
On 17 February 2015 at 13:40, Alex Nderitu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Then again, they are not the same; two licenses are at play
(Self provisioning license - They cannot transmit third party content, only their content) (Broadcast Signal Distributor - They transmit third party content, are ideally not content providers)
DSTV which transmits as GoTV - *Self provisioning license* PANG which transmits as PANG also owns Startimes - *Broadcast Signal Distributor* BAMBA - radio africa group - *Self provisioning license* SIGNET- an arm of KBC - *Broadcast Signal Distributor* then finally we have ADNC -*Self provisioning license*
Now, the big question is why would ADNC be interested in signal distribution since they cannot offer it as a service and hence will only incur additional cost of network maintenance without any revenues generated.
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Stephen Munguti via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
there are three signal distributors,
DSTV which transmits as GoTV PANG which transmits as PANG also owns Startimes BAMBA - radio africa group SIGNET- an arm of KBC then finally we have ADNC
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:04 PM, Paul Njoroge <njorogekamau@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm lost here, isnt GoTV same s signet?
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Stephen Munguti via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
> by govt STB, i mean the STB licensed by CA and distributed by the 60 > licensed distributors > > On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Odhiambo Washington < > odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: > >> All the STBs licensed by CA are for receiving, primarily, the FTAs. >> >> So, let's start with the Bamba (from Radio Africa Group). It is >> supposed to and was sreceiving the FTAs before the self-switch-off. >> >> 1. Does the Startimes STB receive SIGNET channels? Sorry, I don't >> have it so I don't know. >> 2. Does the GoTV STB receive SIGNET channels? I think it does, but >> I need to verify tonight:) >> 3. The govt STB is which one?? >> 4. My Sony Digital TV receives GoTV, Startimes, SIGNET, Bamba and >> some other signals there.... but the scrambling of some of them obviously >> is the issue. >> >> >> On 17 February 2015 at 12:35, Stephen Munguti <kamitu.sm@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Also maybe we can do a research here, >>> >>> Does the Startimes STB receive signet channels? >>> Does the GoTV STB receive signet channels? >>> I know that the Government STB recieves both STV and GOTV save for >>> the scrambling issue. >>> The digital TV is equivalent to the govt recommended STB >>> >>> So the last question is this, if KTN,NTV and Citizen were to >>> invest in the transmission equipment, what would stop the current STB from >>> receiving their signal? >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Odhiambo Washington via >>> skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>> >>>> I remember GoTV asking for a one time "administration fee" of >>>> about 1,500 or something close for them to allow you to watch FTA channels >>>> even when your subscription is expired. Did this change? >>>> >>>> On 17 February 2015 at 10:59, Okechukwu via skunkworks < >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>> >>>>> @James - the pay TV license is different from the digital >>>>> distribution licence - thats why DSTV can prevent you if you don't pay but >>>>> GoTV cannot prevent you from the FTA channels if you don't pay, yet >>>>> technically the company is one >>>>> >>>>> ./Ok3ch >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 10:33 AM, James Njoroge via skunkworks < >>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Can someone explain to me why DSTV prevents you from watching >>>>>> local channels when you don't pay your subscription. It seems unfair to me >>>>>> as they are basically asking you to pay for something that's free. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 21:35, Job Muriuki via skunkworks < >>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> It's all about the money they stand to lose to the new >>>>>>> entrants in the industry. >>>>>>> How long do you think they can last not airing any Adverts >>>>>>> before companies >>>>>>> decide to ship out and look for alternatives. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Job Muriuki, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Skype: heviejob >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Odhiambo Washington via >>>>>>> skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Shadrack, we do respect your opinion, but you really need to >>>>>>>> read about the whole saga in order to be able to even 'think' about >>>>>>>> anything related to it:-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What does the sale of the STBs got to do with in in your >>>>>>>> opinion? >>>>>>>> Didn't the Cartel already know that CCK (CA) licensed about >>>>>>>> 60 distributors for the STBs (non-subscription) ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 12:13, Shadrack Mwaniki via skunkworks >>>>>>>> <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Me thinks the problem has to do with the sale of setboxes >>>>>>>>> with monthly subscription to views who only interest is the free-to-air >>>>>>>>> channels. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 16, 2015 11:29 AM, Stephen Munguti >>>>>>>>> via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have a few questions, that i also need answered >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Whats copyright infringement/plagiarism? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> How has DSTV satellite broadcasting been delivering KTN,NTV >>>>>>>>> and Citizen to their viewers in remote areas, inclusive of neighboring >>>>>>>>> countries, prior to all this problems beginning, was it illegal? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Tony 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@Stephen not sure how the ADNC issue will play out because currently they are all riding on an FTA licences for content provider meaning they cannot scramble the signal .For that to happen they will need to apply for pay tv licence. As @Alex has pointed out who determines what FTA to carry and if there are any agreements required between the BSD and FTA's this is still not clear to me Still trying to figure out the overall strategy here for ADNC if there is any... my 2cents they want to control the distribution of their channels that way they have control of audience data which is vital for the advertising revenue stream On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Stephen Munguti <kamitu.sm@gmail.com> wrote:
@simon
Then can we assume, if ADNC, decide not scramble their signal, then by law, the Gotv Decoder and Star times decoder should be able to receive their signals?
What will the 5 FTA channels be in ADNC? now that they only have a total of 10 channels
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 2:06 PM, simon njoroge via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Third party includes FTA yes
Also the "must carry rule" applies for the *Self provisioning license *which according to DG is set at a minimum of 5 FTAs in addition to their exclusive content.
These 5 should not be charged for access.That's why GOTV and Star times had to get the open decoder options -what is been referred to as "administration fees" here
@Alex yes the decoder can be both FTA and have conditional access. Bamba decoder has both
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Alex Nderitu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Third party content (or is it second party) is the channels in this case (Lolwe, Njata, EBRU etc) and this is FTA (not sure it can be non-FTA) but if it was the decoder wouldn't be FTA since the content provider would have to enforce conditional access (CA) and this is enforced at STB level.
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And "third party content" doesn't include FTA, right?
Now, help me understand who is the third party, especially if the signal is scrambled?
On 17 February 2015 at 13:40, Alex Nderitu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Then again, they are not the same; two licenses are at play
(Self provisioning license - They cannot transmit third party content, only their content) (Broadcast Signal Distributor - They transmit third party content, are ideally not content providers)
DSTV which transmits as GoTV - *Self provisioning license* PANG which transmits as PANG also owns Startimes - *Broadcast Signal Distributor* BAMBA - radio africa group - *Self provisioning license* SIGNET- an arm of KBC - *Broadcast Signal Distributor* then finally we have ADNC -*Self provisioning license*
Now, the big question is why would ADNC be interested in signal distribution since they cannot offer it as a service and hence will only incur additional cost of network maintenance without any revenues generated.
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Stephen Munguti via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
there are three signal distributors,
DSTV which transmits as GoTV PANG which transmits as PANG also owns Startimes BAMBA - radio africa group SIGNET- an arm of KBC then finally we have ADNC
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:04 PM, Paul Njoroge <njorogekamau@gmail.com > wrote:
> I'm lost here, isnt GoTV same s signet? > > On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Stephen Munguti via skunkworks < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > >> by govt STB, i mean the STB licensed by CA and distributed by the >> 60 licensed distributors >> >> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Odhiambo Washington < >> odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> All the STBs licensed by CA are for receiving, primarily, the FTAs. >>> >>> So, let's start with the Bamba (from Radio Africa Group). It is >>> supposed to and was sreceiving the FTAs before the self-switch-off. >>> >>> 1. Does the Startimes STB receive SIGNET channels? Sorry, I don't >>> have it so I don't know. >>> 2. Does the GoTV STB receive SIGNET channels? I think it does, but >>> I need to verify tonight:) >>> 3. The govt STB is which one?? >>> 4. My Sony Digital TV receives GoTV, Startimes, SIGNET, Bamba and >>> some other signals there.... but the scrambling of some of them obviously >>> is the issue. >>> >>> >>> On 17 February 2015 at 12:35, Stephen Munguti <kamitu.sm@gmail.com >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> Also maybe we can do a research here, >>>> >>>> Does the Startimes STB receive signet channels? >>>> Does the GoTV STB receive signet channels? >>>> I know that the Government STB recieves both STV and GOTV save >>>> for the scrambling issue. >>>> The digital TV is equivalent to the govt recommended STB >>>> >>>> So the last question is this, if KTN,NTV and Citizen were to >>>> invest in the transmission equipment, what would stop the current STB from >>>> receiving their signal? >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Odhiambo Washington via >>>> skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I remember GoTV asking for a one time "administration fee" of >>>>> about 1,500 or something close for them to allow you to watch FTA channels >>>>> even when your subscription is expired. Did this change? >>>>> >>>>> On 17 February 2015 at 10:59, Okechukwu via skunkworks < >>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> @James - the pay TV license is different from the digital >>>>>> distribution licence - thats why DSTV can prevent you if you don't pay but >>>>>> GoTV cannot prevent you from the FTA channels if you don't pay, yet >>>>>> technically the company is one >>>>>> >>>>>> ./Ok3ch >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 10:33 AM, James Njoroge via skunkworks >>>>>> <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Can someone explain to me why DSTV prevents you from watching >>>>>>> local channels when you don't pay your subscription. It seems unfair to me >>>>>>> as they are basically asking you to pay for something that's free. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 21:35, Job Muriuki via skunkworks < >>>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's all about the money they stand to lose to the new >>>>>>>> entrants in the industry. >>>>>>>> How long do you think they can last not airing any Adverts >>>>>>>> before companies >>>>>>>> decide to ship out and look for alternatives. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> Job Muriuki, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Skype: heviejob >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Odhiambo Washington via >>>>>>>> skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Shadrack, we do respect your opinion, but you really need to >>>>>>>>> read about the whole saga in order to be able to even 'think' about >>>>>>>>> anything related to it:-) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What does the sale of the STBs got to do with in in your >>>>>>>>> opinion? >>>>>>>>> Didn't the Cartel already know that CCK (CA) licensed about >>>>>>>>> 60 distributors for the STBs (non-subscription) ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 12:13, Shadrack Mwaniki via >>>>>>>>> skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Me thinks the problem has to do with the sale of setboxes >>>>>>>>>> with monthly subscription to views who only interest is the free-to-air >>>>>>>>>> channels. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 16, 2015 11:29 AM, Stephen Munguti >>>>>>>>>> via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have a few questions, that i also need answered >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Whats copyright infringement/plagiarism? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> How has DSTV satellite broadcasting been delivering KTN,NTV >>>>>>>>>> and Citizen to their viewers in remote areas, inclusive of neighboring >>>>>>>>>> countries, prior to all this problems beginning, was it illegal? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Tony Likhanga via >>>>>>>>>> skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> While at it, have a look at the recent debate below >>>>>>>>>> involving the concerned parties : >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLju9OXByl4 >>>>>>>>>> <http://goog_1156770803/> >>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wxWdPK8j3c >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Tony. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>>>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Best Regards, 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My 21 cents. Digital broadcasting is supposed to allow consumers to watch what they want, when they want. You want Naija Movies, you tune to Naija channel. Before this we had to watch what "broadcasters" scheduled for us. Good Example Citizen. *Power breakfast*, *Afro Sinema*, *(Live coverage of events.... Graduations....Funerals....ICC Proceding)*, *ADVERTISMENTS*, *Citizen at 1*....bla...bla...bla..*mseto*......bla bla bla......*telemundo*......etc I believe what they should do is to generate content to air. Like CNN and BBC round the hour news coverage. Most of the mainstream media only have news and political debates. other content is what has been always a challenge to them. They need to identify what they do and do it well. They need to understand game has changed. Users will have variety. even when they deliver their *STB, *viewers will tune in to either of the 4 stations*, but not all at the same time. * Whoever who will carry the day will in turn poach the other stations staff and claim they are the leading broadcasters :-) At the moment they say that the ADNC do not have capacity to distribute their signal all over the country. Who will carry their signal to places they have not set up Base Stations? They will have to invest heavily on building infrastructure & STB. Something PANG, ZUKU have being doing all along as they were still on analogue. For now they will use their self provisioning licence and the supreme court upheld that "*As long as the digital signal distributor does NOT change the content of a broadcast and does not charge the viewers for FTA channels, then there is no copyright infringement" *I do not know whether then it would be illegal for the star times and GoTV to broadcast the you tube content of the live streams?? My take is that the game is changing and it is changing real fast. The sooner they react the better for them. streaming news on you tube is only for the people who have devices that can access unlimited internet. On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 2:43 PM, simon njoroge via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
@Stephen not sure how the ADNC issue will play out because currently they are all riding on an FTA licences for content provider meaning they cannot scramble the signal .For that to happen they will need to apply for pay tv licence.
As @Alex has pointed out who determines what FTA to carry and if there are any agreements required between the BSD and FTA's this is still not clear to me
Still trying to figure out the overall strategy here for ADNC if there is any... my 2cents they want to control the distribution of their channels that way they have control of audience data which is vital for the advertising revenue stream
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Stephen Munguti <kamitu.sm@gmail.com> wrote:
@simon
Then can we assume, if ADNC, decide not scramble their signal, then by law, the Gotv Decoder and Star times decoder should be able to receive their signals?
What will the 5 FTA channels be in ADNC? now that they only have a total of 10 channels
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 2:06 PM, simon njoroge via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Third party includes FTA yes
Also the "must carry rule" applies for the *Self provisioning license *which according to DG is set at a minimum of 5 FTAs in addition to their exclusive content.
These 5 should not be charged for access.That's why GOTV and Star times had to get the open decoder options -what is been referred to as "administration fees" here
@Alex yes the decoder can be both FTA and have conditional access. Bamba decoder has both
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Alex Nderitu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Third party content (or is it second party) is the channels in this case (Lolwe, Njata, EBRU etc) and this is FTA (not sure it can be non-FTA) but if it was the decoder wouldn't be FTA since the content provider would have to enforce conditional access (CA) and this is enforced at STB level.
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
And "third party content" doesn't include FTA, right?
Now, help me understand who is the third party, especially if the signal is scrambled?
On 17 February 2015 at 13:40, Alex Nderitu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Then again, they are not the same; two licenses are at play
(Self provisioning license - They cannot transmit third party content, only their content) (Broadcast Signal Distributor - They transmit third party content, are ideally not content providers)
DSTV which transmits as GoTV - *Self provisioning license* PANG which transmits as PANG also owns Startimes - *Broadcast Signal Distributor* BAMBA - radio africa group - *Self provisioning license* SIGNET- an arm of KBC - *Broadcast Signal Distributor* then finally we have ADNC -*Self provisioning license*
Now, the big question is why would ADNC be interested in signal distribution since they cannot offer it as a service and hence will only incur additional cost of network maintenance without any revenues generated.
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Stephen Munguti via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
> there are three signal distributors, > > DSTV which transmits as GoTV > PANG which transmits as PANG also owns Startimes > BAMBA - radio africa group > SIGNET- an arm of KBC > then finally we have ADNC > > > > On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:04 PM, Paul Njoroge < > njorogekamau@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I'm lost here, isnt GoTV same s signet? >> >> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Stephen Munguti via skunkworks < >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >>> by govt STB, i mean the STB licensed by CA and distributed by the >>> 60 licensed distributors >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Odhiambo Washington < >>> odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> All the STBs licensed by CA are for receiving, primarily, the >>>> FTAs. >>>> >>>> So, let's start with the Bamba (from Radio Africa Group). It is >>>> supposed to and was sreceiving the FTAs before the self-switch-off. >>>> >>>> 1. Does the Startimes STB receive SIGNET channels? Sorry, I don't >>>> have it so I don't know. >>>> 2. Does the GoTV STB receive SIGNET channels? I think it does, >>>> but I need to verify tonight:) >>>> 3. The govt STB is which one?? >>>> 4. My Sony Digital TV receives GoTV, Startimes, SIGNET, Bamba and >>>> some other signals there.... but the scrambling of some of them obviously >>>> is the issue. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 17 February 2015 at 12:35, Stephen Munguti < >>>> kamitu.sm@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Also maybe we can do a research here, >>>>> >>>>> Does the Startimes STB receive signet channels? >>>>> Does the GoTV STB receive signet channels? >>>>> I know that the Government STB recieves both STV and GOTV save >>>>> for the scrambling issue. >>>>> The digital TV is equivalent to the govt recommended STB >>>>> >>>>> So the last question is this, if KTN,NTV and Citizen were to >>>>> invest in the transmission equipment, what would stop the current STB from >>>>> receiving their signal? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Odhiambo Washington via >>>>> skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I remember GoTV asking for a one time "administration fee" of >>>>>> about 1,500 or something close for them to allow you to watch FTA channels >>>>>> even when your subscription is expired. Did this change? >>>>>> >>>>>> On 17 February 2015 at 10:59, Okechukwu via skunkworks < >>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> @James - the pay TV license is different from the digital >>>>>>> distribution licence - thats why DSTV can prevent you if you don't pay but >>>>>>> GoTV cannot prevent you from the FTA channels if you don't pay, yet >>>>>>> technically the company is one >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ./Ok3ch >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 10:33 AM, James Njoroge via skunkworks >>>>>>> <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Can someone explain to me why DSTV prevents you from watching >>>>>>>> local channels when you don't pay your subscription. 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@Tusker Nice one "Users will have variety. even when they deliver their *STB, *viewers will tune in to either of the 4 stations*, but not all at the same time. *" This is the main reason the delayed, they couldn't agree amongst themselves. As you have said things have changed, everyone needs to rethink their model and fast. On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Tusker 21 via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
My 21 cents. Digital broadcasting is supposed to allow consumers to watch what they want, when they want. You want Naija Movies, you tune to Naija channel. Before this we had to watch what "broadcasters" scheduled for us. Good Example Citizen. *Power breakfast*, *Afro Sinema*, *(Live coverage of events.... Graduations....Funerals....ICC Proceding)*, *ADVERTISMENTS*, *Citizen at 1*....bla...bla...bla..*mseto*......bla bla bla...... *telemundo*......etc
I believe what they should do is to generate content to air. Like CNN and BBC round the hour news coverage. Most of the mainstream media only have news and political debates. other content is what has been always a challenge to them. They need to identify what they do and do it well. They need to understand game has changed. Users will have variety. even when they deliver their *STB, *viewers will tune in to either of the 4 stations*, but not all at the same time. *
Whoever who will carry the day will in turn poach the other stations staff and claim they are the leading broadcasters :-)
At the moment they say that the ADNC do not have capacity to distribute their signal all over the country. Who will carry their signal to places they have not set up Base Stations? They will have to invest heavily on building infrastructure & STB. Something PANG, ZUKU have being doing all along as they were still on analogue.
For now they will use their self provisioning licence and the supreme court upheld that "*As long as the digital signal distributor does NOT change the content of a broadcast and does not charge the viewers for FTA channels, then there is no copyright infringement" *I do not know whether then it would be illegal for the star times and GoTV to broadcast the you tube content of the live streams??
My take is that the game is changing and it is changing real fast. The sooner they react the better for them. streaming news on you tube is only for the people who have devices that can access unlimited internet.
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 2:43 PM, simon njoroge via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
@Stephen not sure how the ADNC issue will play out because currently they are all riding on an FTA licences for content provider meaning they cannot scramble the signal .For that to happen they will need to apply for pay tv licence.
As @Alex has pointed out who determines what FTA to carry and if there are any agreements required between the BSD and FTA's this is still not clear to me
Still trying to figure out the overall strategy here for ADNC if there is any... my 2cents they want to control the distribution of their channels that way they have control of audience data which is vital for the advertising revenue stream
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Stephen Munguti <kamitu.sm@gmail.com> wrote:
@simon
Then can we assume, if ADNC, decide not scramble their signal, then by law, the Gotv Decoder and Star times decoder should be able to receive their signals?
What will the 5 FTA channels be in ADNC? now that they only have a total of 10 channels
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 2:06 PM, simon njoroge via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Third party includes FTA yes
Also the "must carry rule" applies for the *Self provisioning license *which according to DG is set at a minimum of 5 FTAs in addition to their exclusive content.
These 5 should not be charged for access.That's why GOTV and Star times had to get the open decoder options -what is been referred to as "administration fees" here
@Alex yes the decoder can be both FTA and have conditional access. Bamba decoder has both
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Alex Nderitu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Third party content (or is it second party) is the channels in this case (Lolwe, Njata, EBRU etc) and this is FTA (not sure it can be non-FTA) but if it was the decoder wouldn't be FTA since the content provider would have to enforce conditional access (CA) and this is enforced at STB level.
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
And "third party content" doesn't include FTA, right?
Now, help me understand who is the third party, especially if the signal is scrambled?
On 17 February 2015 at 13:40, Alex Nderitu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
> Then again, they are not the same; two licenses are at play > > (Self provisioning license - They cannot transmit third party > content, only their content) > (Broadcast Signal Distributor - They transmit third party content, > are ideally not content providers) > > DSTV which transmits as GoTV - *Self provisioning license* > PANG which transmits as PANG also owns Startimes - *Broadcast Signal > Distributor* > BAMBA - radio africa group - *Self provisioning license* > SIGNET- an arm of KBC - *Broadcast Signal Distributor* > then finally we have ADNC -*Self provisioning license* > > Now, the big question is why would ADNC be interested in signal > distribution since they cannot offer it as a service and hence will only > incur additional cost of network maintenance without > any revenues generated. > > > > On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Stephen Munguti via skunkworks < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > >> there are three signal distributors, >> >> DSTV which transmits as GoTV >> PANG which transmits as PANG also owns Startimes >> BAMBA - radio africa group >> SIGNET- an arm of KBC >> then finally we have ADNC >> >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:04 PM, Paul Njoroge < >> njorogekamau@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I'm lost here, isnt GoTV same s signet? >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Stephen Munguti via skunkworks < >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>> >>>> by govt STB, i mean the STB licensed by CA and distributed by the >>>> 60 licensed distributors >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Odhiambo Washington < >>>> odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> All the STBs licensed by CA are for receiving, primarily, the >>>>> FTAs. >>>>> >>>>> So, let's start with the Bamba (from Radio Africa Group). It is >>>>> supposed to and was sreceiving the FTAs before the self-switch-off. >>>>> >>>>> 1. Does the Startimes STB receive SIGNET channels? Sorry, I >>>>> don't have it so I don't know. >>>>> 2. Does the GoTV STB receive SIGNET channels? I think it does, >>>>> but I need to verify tonight:) >>>>> 3. The govt STB is which one?? >>>>> 4. My Sony Digital TV receives GoTV, Startimes, SIGNET, Bamba >>>>> and some other signals there.... but the scrambling of some of them >>>>> obviously is the issue. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 17 February 2015 at 12:35, Stephen Munguti < >>>>> kamitu.sm@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Also maybe we can do a research here, >>>>>> >>>>>> Does the Startimes STB receive signet channels? >>>>>> Does the GoTV STB receive signet channels? >>>>>> I know that the Government STB recieves both STV and GOTV save >>>>>> for the scrambling issue. >>>>>> The digital TV is equivalent to the govt recommended STB >>>>>> >>>>>> So the last question is this, if KTN,NTV and Citizen were to >>>>>> invest in the transmission equipment, what would stop the current STB from >>>>>> receiving their signal? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Odhiambo Washington via >>>>>> skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I remember GoTV asking for a one time "administration fee" of >>>>>>> about 1,500 or something close for them to allow you to watch FTA channels >>>>>>> even when your subscription is expired. Did this change? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 17 February 2015 at 10:59, Okechukwu via skunkworks < >>>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> @James - the pay TV license is different from the digital >>>>>>>> distribution licence - thats why DSTV can prevent you if you don't pay but >>>>>>>> GoTV cannot prevent you from the FTA channels if you don't pay, yet >>>>>>>> technically the company is one >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ./Ok3ch >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 10:33 AM, James Njoroge via >>>>>>>> skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Can someone explain to me why DSTV prevents you from >>>>>>>>> watching local channels when you don't pay your subscription. It seems >>>>>>>>> unfair to me as they are basically asking you to pay for something that's >>>>>>>>> free. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 21:35, Job Muriuki via skunkworks < >>>>>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It's all about the money they stand to lose to the new >>>>>>>>>> entrants in the industry. >>>>>>>>>> How long do you think they can last not airing any Adverts >>>>>>>>>> before companies >>>>>>>>>> decide to ship out and look for alternatives. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>> Job Muriuki, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Skype: heviejob >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Odhiambo Washington via >>>>>>>>>> skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Shadrack, we do respect your opinion, but you really need >>>>>>>>>>> to read about the whole saga in order to be able to even 'think' about >>>>>>>>>>> anything related to it:-) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> What does the sale of the STBs got to do with in in your >>>>>>>>>>> opinion? >>>>>>>>>>> Didn't the Cartel already know that CCK (CA) licensed >>>>>>>>>>> about 60 distributors for the STBs (non-subscription) ? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 12:13, Shadrack Mwaniki via >>>>>>>>>>> skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Me thinks the problem has to do with the sale of setboxes >>>>>>>>>>>> with monthly subscription to views who only interest is the free-to-air >>>>>>>>>>>> channels. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 16, 2015 11:29 AM, Stephen Munguti >>>>>>>>>>>> via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I have a few questions, that i also need answered >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Whats copyright infringement/plagiarism? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> How has DSTV satellite broadcasting been delivering >>>>>>>>>>>> KTN,NTV and Citizen to their viewers in remote areas, inclusive of >>>>>>>>>>>> neighboring countries, prior to all this problems beginning, was it illegal? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Tony Likhanga via >>>>>>>>>>>> skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> While at it, have a look at the recent debate below >>>>>>>>>>>> involving the concerned parties : >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLju9OXByl4 >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://goog_1156770803/> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wxWdPK8j3c >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Tony. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>>>>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 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If this "must-carry" rule was actually meant to benefit the consumer, shouldn't the Communications Authority of Kenya have required StarTimes and GOtv to provide the channels free to air to *all* their customers? And not just to those who pay the unlocking fee? This is more like "may carry". And, why just 5 channels? Why not all local channels? And if just 5, which ones? Why does the Communications Authority of Kenya give the pay-TV operators so much leeway? It would make more sense if this was for actual "local" channels, and not national channels such as those of the three media houses. Also, in the US [1], "station operators are allowed to demand payment from cable operators, or negotiate private agreements for carriage, or threaten revocation against the cable operator. Must carry is a privilege given to television stations, not a cable company. A cable company cannot use must-carry to demand the right to carry an over-the-air station against the station's wishes". I don't know whether there are any avenues for legal redress left to the three media houses (I hear they are planning to go to some international court), but it looks to me like the Communications Authority of Kenya (and our courts) seriously botched this one. Here's an interesting article: <http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/How-authority-court-muddled-the-copyright-law/-/440808/2600262/-/ktw5uqz/-/index.html>. [1] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Must-carry#United_States> Joseph. On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 2:06 PM, simon njoroge via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Third party includes FTA yes
Also the "must carry rule" applies for the Self provisioning license which according to DG is set at a minimum of 5 FTAs in addition to their exclusive content.
These 5 should not be charged for access.That's why GOTV and Star times had to get the open decoder options -what is been referred to as "administration fees" here
@Alex yes the decoder can be both FTA and have conditional access. Bamba decoder has both
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Alex Nderitu via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Third party content (or is it second party) is the channels in this case (Lolwe, Njata, EBRU etc) and this is FTA (not sure it can be non-FTA) but if it was the decoder wouldn't be FTA since the content provider would have to enforce conditional access (CA) and this is enforced at STB level.
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
And "third party content" doesn't include FTA, right?
Now, help me understand who is the third party, especially if the signal is scrambled?
On 17 February 2015 at 13:40, Alex Nderitu via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Then again, they are not the same; two licenses are at play
(Self provisioning license - They cannot transmit third party content, only their content) (Broadcast Signal Distributor - They transmit third party content, are ideally not content providers)
DSTV which transmits as GoTV - Self provisioning license PANG which transmits as PANG also owns Startimes - Broadcast Signal Distributor BAMBA - radio africa group - Self provisioning license SIGNET- an arm of KBC - Broadcast Signal Distributor then finally we have ADNC -Self provisioning license
Now, the big question is why would ADNC be interested in signal distribution since they cannot offer it as a service and hence will only incur additional cost of network maintenance without any revenues generated.
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Stephen Munguti via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
there are three signal distributors,
DSTV which transmits as GoTV PANG which transmits as PANG also owns Startimes BAMBA - radio africa group SIGNET- an arm of KBC then finally we have ADNC
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:04 PM, Paul Njoroge <njorogekamau@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm lost here, isnt GoTV same s signet?
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Stephen Munguti via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > > by govt STB, i mean the STB licensed by CA and distributed by the 60 > licensed distributors > > On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Odhiambo Washington > <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> All the STBs licensed by CA are for receiving, primarily, the FTAs. >> >> So, let's start with the Bamba (from Radio Africa Group). It is >> supposed to and was sreceiving the FTAs before the self-switch-off. >> >> 1. Does the Startimes STB receive SIGNET channels? Sorry, I don't >> have it so I don't know. >> 2. Does the GoTV STB receive SIGNET channels? I think it does, but I >> need to verify tonight:) >> 3. The govt STB is which one?? >> 4. My Sony Digital TV receives GoTV, Startimes, SIGNET, Bamba and >> some other signals there.... but the scrambling of some of them obviously is >> the issue. >> >> >> On 17 February 2015 at 12:35, Stephen Munguti <kamitu.sm@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> Also maybe we can do a research here, >>> >>> Does the Startimes STB receive signet channels? >>> Does the GoTV STB receive signet channels? >>> I know that the Government STB recieves both STV and GOTV save for >>> the scrambling issue. >>> The digital TV is equivalent to the govt recommended STB >>> >>> So the last question is this, if KTN,NTV and Citizen were to invest >>> in the transmission equipment, what would stop the current STB from >>> receiving their signal? >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Odhiambo Washington via >>> skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>> >>>> I remember GoTV asking for a one time "administration fee" of >>>> about 1,500 or something close for them to allow you to watch FTA channels >>>> even when your subscription is expired. Did this change? >>>> >>>> On 17 February 2015 at 10:59, Okechukwu via skunkworks >>>> <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> @James - the pay TV license is different from the digital >>>>> distribution licence - thats why DSTV can prevent you if you don't pay but >>>>> GoTV cannot prevent you from the FTA channels if you don't pay, yet >>>>> technically the company is one >>>>> >>>>> ./Ok3ch >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 10:33 AM, James Njoroge via skunkworks >>>>> <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Can someone explain to me why DSTV prevents you from watching >>>>>> local channels when you don't pay your subscription. It seems unfair to me >>>>>> as they are basically asking you to pay for something that's free. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 21:35, Job Muriuki via skunkworks >>>>>> <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's all about the money they stand to lose to the new >>>>>>> entrants in the industry. >>>>>>> How long do you think they can last not airing any Adverts >>>>>>> before companies >>>>>>> decide to ship out and look for alternatives. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Job Muriuki, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Skype: heviejob >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Odhiambo Washington via >>>>>>> skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Shadrack, we do respect your opinion, but you really need to >>>>>>>> read about the whole saga in order to be able to even 'think' about anything >>>>>>>> related to it:-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What does the sale of the STBs got to do with in in your >>>>>>>> opinion? >>>>>>>> Didn't the Cartel already know that CCK (CA) licensed about 60 >>>>>>>> distributors for the STBs (non-subscription) ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 12:13, Shadrack Mwaniki via skunkworks >>>>>>>> <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Me thinks the problem has to do with the sale of setboxes >>>>>>>>> with monthly subscription to views who only interest is the free-to-air >>>>>>>>> channels. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 16, 2015 11:29 AM, Stephen Munguti via >>>>>>>>> skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have a few questions, that i also need answered >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Whats copyright infringement/plagiarism? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> How has DSTV satellite broadcasting been delivering KTN,NTV >>>>>>>>> and Citizen to their viewers in remote areas, inclusive of neighboring >>>>>>>>> countries, prior to all this problems beginning, was it illegal? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:03 AM, 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hello Joseph, If you were following, @simon said that GoTv had to go for the open decoder option, So I don't think its a must for NTV,KTN and Citizen to give their signals to be carried by GoTv and startimes. Now the scenario is as below - Digital migration must happen, deadline is June this year - CAPEX/OPEX to enter into the tv station industry has greatly reduced, max of 125k per month per region - BSD and Self provisioning must choose at least 5 free to air channels (not sure if they need to be local or not), I am seeing a situation were someone can take advantage of these and not have to pay to have his/her signal distributed. - Some people like startimes, and Gotv didn't have local content other than NTV, Citizen and KTN (I stand corrected) and we need local stations to be aired digitally for this to work - People are currently being forced to sample other channels now that NTV, Citizen and KTN are off On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Joseph Wayodi via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
If this "must-carry" rule was actually meant to benefit the consumer, shouldn't the Communications Authority of Kenya have required StarTimes and GOtv to provide the channels free to air to *all* their customers? And not just to those who pay the unlocking fee? This is more like "may carry".
And, why just 5 channels? Why not all local channels? And if just 5, which ones? Why does the Communications Authority of Kenya give the pay-TV operators so much leeway? It would make more sense if this was for actual "local" channels, and not national channels such as those of the three media houses.
Also, in the US [1], "station operators are allowed to demand payment from cable operators, or negotiate private agreements for carriage, or threaten revocation against the cable operator. Must carry is a privilege given to television stations, not a cable company. A cable company cannot use must-carry to demand the right to carry an over-the-air station against the station's wishes".
I don't know whether there are any avenues for legal redress left to the three media houses (I hear they are planning to go to some international court), but it looks to me like the Communications Authority of Kenya (and our courts) seriously botched this one. Here's an interesting article: < http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/How-authority-court-muddled-the-copyrig...
.
[1] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Must-carry#United_States>
Joseph.
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 2:06 PM, simon njoroge via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Third party includes FTA yes
Also the "must carry rule" applies for the Self provisioning license which according to DG is set at a minimum of 5 FTAs in addition to their exclusive content.
These 5 should not be charged for access.That's why GOTV and Star times had to get the open decoder options -what is been referred to as "administration fees" here
@Alex yes the decoder can be both FTA and have conditional access. Bamba decoder has both
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Alex Nderitu via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Third party content (or is it second party) is the channels in this case (Lolwe, Njata, EBRU etc) and this is FTA (not sure it can be non-FTA)
but
if it was the decoder wouldn't be FTA since the content provider would have to enforce conditional access (CA) and this is enforced at STB level.
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
And "third party content" doesn't include FTA, right?
Now, help me understand who is the third party, especially if the
signal
is scrambled?
On 17 February 2015 at 13:40, Alex Nderitu via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Then again, they are not the same; two licenses are at play
(Self provisioning license - They cannot transmit third party content, only their content) (Broadcast Signal Distributor - They transmit third party content, are ideally not content providers)
DSTV which transmits as GoTV - Self provisioning license PANG which transmits as PANG also owns Startimes - Broadcast Signal Distributor BAMBA - radio africa group - Self provisioning license SIGNET- an arm of KBC - Broadcast Signal Distributor then finally we have ADNC -Self provisioning license
Now, the big question is why would ADNC be interested in signal distribution since they cannot offer it as a service and hence will
only
incur additional cost of network maintenance without any revenues generated.
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Stephen Munguti via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
there are three signal distributors,
DSTV which transmits as GoTV PANG which transmits as PANG also owns Startimes BAMBA - radio africa group SIGNET- an arm of KBC then finally we have ADNC
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:04 PM, Paul Njoroge <
njorogekamau@gmail.com>
wrote: > > I'm lost here, isnt GoTV same s signet? > > On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Stephen Munguti via skunkworks > <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >> by govt STB, i mean the STB licensed by CA and distributed by the 60 >> licensed distributors >> >> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Odhiambo Washington >> <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> All the STBs licensed by CA are for receiving, primarily, the FTAs. >>> >>> So, let's start with the Bamba (from Radio Africa Group). It is >>> supposed to and was sreceiving the FTAs before the self-switch-off. >>> >>> 1. Does the Startimes STB receive SIGNET channels? Sorry, I don't >>> have it so I don't know. >>> 2. Does the GoTV STB receive SIGNET channels? I think it does, but I >>> need to verify tonight:) >>> 3. The govt STB is which one?? >>> 4. My Sony Digital TV receives GoTV, Startimes, SIGNET, Bamba and >>> some other signals there.... but the scrambling of some of them obviously is >>> the issue. >>> >>> >>> On 17 February 2015 at 12:35, Stephen Munguti < kamitu.sm@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Also maybe we can do a research here, >>>> >>>> Does the Startimes STB receive signet channels? >>>> Does the GoTV STB receive signet channels? >>>> I know that the Government STB recieves both STV and GOTV save for >>>> the scrambling issue. >>>> The digital TV is equivalent to the govt recommended STB >>>> >>>> So the last question is this, if KTN,NTV and Citizen were to invest >>>> in the transmission equipment, what would stop the current STB from >>>> receiving their signal? >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Odhiambo Washington via >>>> skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I remember GoTV asking for a one time "administration fee" of >>>>> about 1,500 or something close for them to allow you to watch FTA channels >>>>> even when your subscription is expired. Did this change? >>>>> >>>>> On 17 February 2015 at 10:59, Okechukwu via skunkworks >>>>> <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> @James - the pay TV license is different from the digital >>>>>> distribution licence - thats why DSTV can prevent you if you don't pay but >>>>>> GoTV cannot prevent you from the FTA channels if you don't pay, yet >>>>>> technically the company is one >>>>>> >>>>>> ./Ok3ch >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 10:33 AM, James Njoroge via skunkworks >>>>>> <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Can someone explain to me why DSTV prevents you from watching >>>>>>> local channels when you don't pay your subscription. It seems unfair to me >>>>>>> as they are basically asking you to pay for something that's free. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 21:35, Job Muriuki via skunkworks >>>>>>> <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's all about the money they stand to lose to the new >>>>>>>> entrants in the industry. >>>>>>>> How long do you think they can last not airing any Adverts >>>>>>>> before companies >>>>>>>> decide to ship out and look for alternatives. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> Job Muriuki, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Skype: heviejob >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Odhiambo Washington via >>>>>>>> skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Shadrack, we do respect your opinion, but you really need to >>>>>>>>> read about the whole saga in order to be able to even 'think' about anything >>>>>>>>> related to it:-) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What does the sale of the STBs got to do with in in your >>>>>>>>> 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On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Stephen Munguti <kamitu.sm@gmail.com> wrote:
hello Joseph,
If you were following, @simon said that GoTv had to go for the open decoder option, So I don't think its a must for NTV,KTN and Citizen to give their signals to be carried by GoTv and startimes.
The Communications Authority of Kenya does say it's a must for StarTimes and GOtv to carry the three media houses' channels (or rather, at least 5 free-to-air channels). And StarTimes and GOtv actually say they're doing it only because they're required to. But then they're not fulfilling this requirement for their customers who haven't paid the unlocking fee.
How does this unlocking work anyway. On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 4:05 PM, Joseph Wayodi <jwayodi@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Stephen Munguti <kamitu.sm@gmail.com> wrote:
hello Joseph,
If you were following, @simon said that GoTv had to go for the open decoder option, So I don't think its a must for NTV,KTN and Citizen to give their signals to be carried by GoTv and startimes.
The Communications Authority of Kenya does say it's a must for StarTimes and GOtv to carry the three media houses' channels (or rather, at least 5 free-to-air channels). And StarTimes and GOtv actually say they're doing it only because they're required to.
But then they're not fulfilling this requirement for their customers who haven't paid the unlocking fee.
-- Best Regards, Stephen Munguti. +254720425104
Guys, Beauty of digital migration is that its gives customers a choice. CA have already licensed many set up boxes that are now available in the market including the GOTV and start-times Set up boxes One doesn't have to go for GOTV and Star times Set up box. But if you do and want to access the FTA without subscription they have given you the open bouquet option. Alternatively you can get the available set up box that will enable you get all the viable FTA's without having to pay the unlocking fee OPTIONS. Regards Simon On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 4:05 PM, Joseph Wayodi <jwayodi@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Stephen Munguti <kamitu.sm@gmail.com> wrote:
hello Joseph,
If you were following, @simon said that GoTv had to go for the open decoder option, So I don't think its a must for NTV,KTN and Citizen to give their signals to be carried by GoTv and startimes.
The Communications Authority of Kenya does say it's a must for StarTimes and GOtv to carry the three media houses' channels (or rather, at least 5 free-to-air channels). And StarTimes and GOtv actually say they're doing it only because they're required to.
But then they're not fulfilling this requirement for their customers who haven't paid the unlocking fee.
http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/team-set-advise-distribution-fta-channels regards On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 4:20 PM, simon njoroge <snjoro45@gmail.com> wrote:
Guys,
Beauty of digital migration is that its gives customers a choice.
CA have already licensed many set up boxes that are now available in the market including the GOTV and start-times Set up boxes
One doesn't have to go for GOTV and Star times Set up box. But if you do and want to access the FTA without subscription they have given you the open bouquet option.
Alternatively you can get the available set up box that will enable you get all the viable FTA's without having to pay the unlocking fee
OPTIONS.
Regards Simon
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 4:05 PM, Joseph Wayodi <jwayodi@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Stephen Munguti <kamitu.sm@gmail.com> wrote:
hello Joseph,
If you were following, @simon said that GoTv had to go for the open decoder option, So I don't think its a must for NTV,KTN and Citizen to give their signals to be carried by GoTv and startimes.
The Communications Authority of Kenya does say it's a must for StarTimes and GOtv to carry the three media houses' channels (or rather, at least 5 free-to-air channels). And StarTimes and GOtv actually say they're doing it only because they're required to.
But then they're not fulfilling this requirement for their customers who haven't paid the unlocking fee.
@simon i think that settles it On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 5:33 PM, simon njoroge <snjoro45@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/team-set-advise-distribution-fta-channels
regards
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 4:20 PM, simon njoroge <snjoro45@gmail.com> wrote:
Guys,
Beauty of digital migration is that its gives customers a choice.
CA have already licensed many set up boxes that are now available in the market including the GOTV and start-times Set up boxes
One doesn't have to go for GOTV and Star times Set up box. But if you do and want to access the FTA without subscription they have given you the open bouquet option.
Alternatively you can get the available set up box that will enable you get all the viable FTA's without having to pay the unlocking fee
OPTIONS.
Regards Simon
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 4:05 PM, Joseph Wayodi <jwayodi@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Stephen Munguti <kamitu.sm@gmail.com> wrote:
hello Joseph,
If you were following, @simon said that GoTv had to go for the open decoder option, So I don't think its a must for NTV,KTN and Citizen to give their signals to be carried by GoTv and startimes.
The Communications Authority of Kenya does say it's a must for StarTimes and GOtv to carry the three media houses' channels (or rather, at least 5 free-to-air channels). And StarTimes and GOtv actually say they're doing it only because they're required to.
But then they're not fulfilling this requirement for their customers who haven't paid the unlocking fee.
-- Best Regards, Stephen Munguti. +254720425104
I think this shutdown by the big three was a blessing in disguise. Jut stumbled on a Dholuo Station called Lolwe . Just listening in News in mother tongue is entertaining..not forgetting another one called Njata playing mugithi at about 9:30 I think even if they switch back, audience fragmentation is now a reality. Kevin On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 6:04 PM, Stephen Munguti via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
@simon i think that settles it
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 5:33 PM, simon njoroge <snjoro45@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/team-set-advise-distribution-fta-channels
regards
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 4:20 PM, simon njoroge <snjoro45@gmail.com> wrote:
Guys,
Beauty of digital migration is that its gives customers a choice.
CA have already licensed many set up boxes that are now available in the market including the GOTV and start-times Set up boxes
One doesn't have to go for GOTV and Star times Set up box. But if you do and want to access the FTA without subscription they have given you the open bouquet option.
Alternatively you can get the available set up box that will enable you get all the viable FTA's without having to pay the unlocking fee
OPTIONS.
Regards Simon
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 4:05 PM, Joseph Wayodi <jwayodi@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Stephen Munguti <kamitu.sm@gmail.com> wrote:
hello Joseph,
If you were following, @simon said that GoTv had to go for the open decoder option, So I don't think its a must for NTV,KTN and Citizen to give their signals to be carried by GoTv and startimes.
The Communications Authority of Kenya does say it's a must for StarTimes and GOtv to carry the three media houses' channels (or rather, at least 5 free-to-air channels). And StarTimes and GOtv actually say they're doing it only because they're required to.
But then they're not fulfilling this requirement for their customers who haven't paid the unlocking fee.
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Just to clear something, You can get Signet on Startimes. I have watched signet channels for several years ion startimes even without the unlocking charge. Main issue is that you may not get the signet frequency in some areas. I sent the decoder to Ushago and they only get the startimes channel. The main issue with this main channels seems not to be the license but the type. They have been offered the Self Provisioning but they are looking for a BSD license. This is where the bone of contention is. With a BSD, they can easily lock out other providers from broadcasting their channels by converting them from free to air. I also they would want to move all popular channels to the pay TV platform and leave just some scraps for FTA. Finally, what no one is saying. The three stations don't own their most popular programmes like Papa Shirandula, Inspecta Mwala, Churchil Live, XYZ, Jicho Pevu, Wedding Show etc. There is nothing other than a lapsed contract that prevents these content producers from moving their content to others like Ebru TV. Mbote On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 6:57 PM, Kevin Omondi via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I think this shutdown by the big three was a blessing in disguise. Jut stumbled on a Dholuo Station called Lolwe . Just listening in News in mother tongue is entertaining..not forgetting another one called Njata playing mugithi at about 9:30
I think even if they switch back, audience fragmentation is now a reality.
Kevin
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 6:04 PM, Stephen Munguti via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
@simon i think that settles it
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 5:33 PM, simon njoroge <snjoro45@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/team-set-advise-distribution-fta-channels
regards
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 4:20 PM, simon njoroge <snjoro45@gmail.com> wrote:
Guys,
Beauty of digital migration is that its gives customers a choice.
CA have already licensed many set up boxes that are now available in the market including the GOTV and start-times Set up boxes
One doesn't have to go for GOTV and Star times Set up box. But if you do and want to access the FTA without subscription they have given you the open bouquet option.
Alternatively you can get the available set up box that will enable you get all the viable FTA's without having to pay the unlocking fee
OPTIONS.
Regards Simon
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 4:05 PM, Joseph Wayodi <jwayodi@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Stephen Munguti <kamitu.sm@gmail.com> wrote:
hello Joseph,
If you were following, @simon said that GoTv had to go for the open decoder option, So I don't think its a must for NTV,KTN and Citizen to give their signals to be carried by GoTv and startimes.
The Communications Authority of Kenya does say it's a must for StarTimes and GOtv to carry the three media houses' channels (or rather, at least 5 free-to-air channels). And StarTimes and GOtv actually say they're doing it only because they're required to.
But then they're not fulfilling this requirement for their customers who haven't paid the unlocking fee.
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On 17 February 2015 at 13:40, Alex Nderitu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Then again, they are not the same; two licenses are at play
(Self provisioning license - They cannot transmit third party content, only their content) (Broadcast Signal Distributor - They transmit third party content, are ideally not content providers)
DSTV which transmits as GoTV - *Self provisioning license* PANG which transmits as PANG also owns Startimes - *Broadcast Signal Distributor* BAMBA - radio africa group - *Self provisioning license* SIGNET- an arm of KBC - *Broadcast Signal Distributor* then finally we have ADNC -*Self provisioning license*
Now, the big question is why would ADNC be interested in signal distribution since they cannot offer it as a service and hence will only incur additional cost of network maintenance without any revenues generated.
[snip] I think some Broadcasters will opt for the BSD that gives them the best rates. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler."
I have used both Gotv and Startimes decoders and GoTV received the other channels including PANG,signet, Bamba and startimes but Startimes decoder seemed to be locked to their frequency so I couldn't receive other providers other than startimes. Regards, Job Muriuki, Skype: heviejob On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Stephen Munguti via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Also maybe we can do a research here,
Does the Startimes STB receive signet channels? Does the GoTV STB receive signet channels? I know that the Government STB recieves both STV and GOTV save for the scrambling issue. The digital TV is equivalent to the govt recommended STB
So the last question is this, if KTN,NTV and Citizen were to invest in the transmission equipment, what would stop the current STB from receiving their signal?
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I remember GoTV asking for a one time "administration fee" of about 1,500 or something close for them to allow you to watch FTA channels even when your subscription is expired. Did this change?
On 17 February 2015 at 10:59, Okechukwu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
@James - the pay TV license is different from the digital distribution licence - thats why DSTV can prevent you if you don't pay but GoTV cannot prevent you from the FTA channels if you don't pay, yet technically the company is one
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 10:33 AM, James Njoroge via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Can someone explain to me why DSTV prevents you from watching local channels when you don't pay your subscription. It seems unfair to me as they are basically asking you to pay for something that's free.
On 16 February 2015 at 21:35, Job Muriuki via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
It's all about the money they stand to lose to the new entrants in the industry. How long do you think they can last not airing any Adverts before companies decide to ship out and look for alternatives.
Regards, Job Muriuki,
Skype: heviejob
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Shadrack, we do respect your opinion, but you really need to read about the whole saga in order to be able to even 'think' about anything related to it:-)
What does the sale of the STBs got to do with in in your opinion? Didn't the Cartel already know that CCK (CA) licensed about 60 distributors for the STBs (non-subscription) ?
On 16 February 2015 at 12:13, Shadrack Mwaniki via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
> Me thinks the problem has to do with the sale of setboxes with > monthly subscription to views who only interest is the free-to-air channels. > > > On Monday, February 16, 2015 11:29 AM, Stephen Munguti via > skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > > > I have a few questions, that i also need answered > > Whats copyright infringement/plagiarism? > > How has DSTV satellite broadcasting been delivering KTN,NTV and > Citizen to their viewers in remote areas, inclusive of neighboring > countries, prior to all this problems beginning, was it illegal? > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Tony Likhanga via skunkworks < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > > While at it, have a look at the recent debate below involving the > concerned parties : > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLju9OXByl4 > <http://goog_1156770803/> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wxWdPK8j3c > > Tony. > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > > > -- > > Best Regards, > Stephen Munguti. > > +254720425104 > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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I remember GoTV asking for a one time "administration fee" of about 1,500 or something close for them to allow you to watch FTA channels even when your subscription is expired. Did this change? Its still there, and its 1200/- On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Stephen Munguti via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Also maybe we can do a research here,
Does the Startimes STB receive signet channels? Does the GoTV STB receive signet channels? I know that the Government STB recieves both STV and GOTV save for the scrambling issue. The digital TV is equivalent to the govt recommended STB
So the last question is this, if KTN,NTV and Citizen were to invest in the transmission equipment, what would stop the current STB from receiving their signal?
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I remember GoTV asking for a one time "administration fee" of about 1,500 or something close for them to allow you to watch FTA channels even when your subscription is expired. Did this change?
On 17 February 2015 at 10:59, Okechukwu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
@James - the pay TV license is different from the digital distribution licence - thats why DSTV can prevent you if you don't pay but GoTV cannot prevent you from the FTA channels if you don't pay, yet technically the company is one
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 10:33 AM, James Njoroge via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Can someone explain to me why DSTV prevents you from watching local channels when you don't pay your subscription. It seems unfair to me as they are basically asking you to pay for something that's free.
On 16 February 2015 at 21:35, Job Muriuki via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
It's all about the money they stand to lose to the new entrants in the industry. How long do you think they can last not airing any Adverts before companies decide to ship out and look for alternatives.
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On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Shadrack, we do respect your opinion, but you really need to read about the whole saga in order to be able to even 'think' about anything related to it:-)
What does the sale of the STBs got to do with in in your opinion? Didn't the Cartel already know that CCK (CA) licensed about 60 distributors for the STBs (non-subscription) ?
On 16 February 2015 at 12:13, Shadrack Mwaniki via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
> Me thinks the problem has to do with the sale of setboxes with > monthly subscription to views who only interest is the free-to-air channels. > > > On Monday, February 16, 2015 11:29 AM, Stephen Munguti via > skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > > > I have a few questions, that i also need answered > > Whats copyright infringement/plagiarism? > > How has DSTV satellite broadcasting been delivering KTN,NTV and > Citizen to their viewers in remote areas, inclusive of neighboring > countries, prior to all this problems beginning, was it illegal? > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Tony Likhanga via skunkworks < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > > While at it, have a look at the recent debate below involving the > concerned parties : > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLju9OXByl4 > <http://goog_1156770803/> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wxWdPK8j3c > > Tony. > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > > > -- > > Best Regards, > Stephen Munguti. > > +254720425104 > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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