open source or freeware...... does kenya contribute to development of Open Source?
Monday morning buzz. From a programming point of view, does Open source mean freeware? As an example, I googled ubuntu to see if any kenyan is developing apps or " ports " for this and have been unable to get any info. How many times has this list been queried about a simple PPP dailer function for eg Ubuntu, yet I've not read anywhere if someone has written and " ported " a script or a " kenyan PPP dialer using local avaliable modems technology " ? I understand the typical scenario of php and mysql which really is an end use but what about improving the OS functionality itself? Shida ni nini? Pls correct as necessary. :-) Asante.
I think most Kenyans are firmly in the camp of free, though I believe a notable exception is a Kenyan who I believe worked on the installer for FreeBSD somewhere on this list. This link http://www.betanews.com/article/Red-Hat-France-is-the-most-active-open-sourc... volumes. Most of us (self included) will have no problem making use of OSS, but releasing it is another story altogether. Given that there are so many developers here, is there *anyone *here who releases their software under an OSS license? On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 10:49 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Monday morning buzz. From a programming point of view, does Open source mean freeware? As an example, I googled ubuntu to see if any kenyan is developing apps or " ports " for this and have been unable to get any info. How many times has this list been queried about a simple PPP dailer function for eg Ubuntu, yet I've not read anywhere if someone has written and " ported " a script or a " kenyan PPP dialer using local avaliable modems technology " ?
I understand the typical scenario of php and mysql which really is an end use but what about improving the OS functionality itself?
Shida ni nini?
Pls correct as necessary. :-)
Asante.
Rad, I hear you. I just find this freeware situation very very strange. Example : The moment I complete my c#, one of the first " freeware " simple program tool that I'm planning to release for use by ISP's, End Users and even small business is a bandwidth calculation tool. Thereafter, it will be followed by a simple Byte meter, maybe something that can be used by end users to benchmark the Mbytes they consume on data connections. But all this is for Windows enviroment. There are many on this list many years ahead of me in prog enviroment, I wonder what is going on....... ?
Ken Kasina ( I dont' think he's on the list) has been working on the PC BSD installer... (I got a sneak preview). There's also ushahidi which is open source too .... Josiah Mugambi +254 738 504418 http://blog.josiahmugambi.com * SK Classifeds... Visit stockskenya.co.ke for more info. * Get a .ke @ 2900/- a year VAT incl. @ pct.co.ke On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:26 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Rad, I hear you. I just find this freeware situation very very strange. Example : The moment I complete my c#, one of the first " freeware " simple program tool that I'm planning to release for use by ISP's, End Users and even small business is a bandwidth calculation tool. Thereafter, it will be followed by a simple Byte meter, maybe something that can be used by end users to benchmark the Mbytes they consume on data connections. But all this is for Windows enviroment. There are many on this list many years ahead of me in prog enviroment, I wonder what is going on....... ?
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That's the chap I was thinking of. Yes, i'd also forgotten about Erik & Ory's Ushahidi. But still, the ratio of developers to OSS projects seems to be saying that OSS makes more sense from a consumer perspective than from a producer one. In fact I dare say it's the Free rather than the Open in OSS that appeals most. How many people here for instance have paid for Red Hat products? On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Josiah Mugambi <jmugambi@gmail.com> wrote:
Ken Kasina ( I dont' think he's on the list) has been working on the PC BSD installer... (I got a sneak preview). There's also ushahidi which is open source too ....
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Hi All, While we are on this vein, http://opensource.or.ke/ is down. No money to pay for the domain, A host of contributors & I provide content. Know anyone/corp willing to support it for a paltry 3k/year [ http://pct.co.ke/support/BasicHosting], You ofcourse get our undying gratitude and a link back yo your site/blog. CSR anyone? On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
That's the chap I was thinking of.
Yes, i'd also forgotten about Erik & Ory's Ushahidi.
But still, the ratio of developers to OSS projects seems to be saying that OSS makes more sense from a consumer perspective than from a producer one. In fact I dare say it's the Free rather than the Open in OSS that appeals most. How many people here for instance have paid for Red Hat products?
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Josiah Mugambi <jmugambi@gmail.com>wrote:
Ken Kasina ( I dont' think he's on the list) has been working on the PC BSD installer... (I got a sneak preview). There's also ushahidi which is open source too ....
Josiah Mugambi +254 738 504418
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Hi Laban. Wow! This is indeed the heights of things... :-( . Incase you miss a sponser in the next few days after your mail below, pls let me know offlist and I'll see what can be done..... no promises but will try my level best. Rgds. On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Lmwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All, While we are on this vein, http://opensource.or.ke/ is down. No money to pay for the domain, A host of contributors & I provide content. Know anyone/corp willing to support it for a paltry 3k/year [ http://pct.co.ke/support/BasicHosting], You ofcourse get our undying gratitude and a link back yo your site/blog. CSR anyone?
My 2 cents: even open source development has a business model, they dont just sell the software, but i bet you they sell something they do sell, maybe even not to you. Consider for a moment ubuntu, open bravo, sugar crm, joomla, even google. They offer stuff and services for free, but behind the scenes they have solid business models. If you ask me, reason many developers are not doing open source is because according to our teachers, open source software is software that is developed and given out free of charge instead of teaching oss as a business model. Way forward, lets talk open source software as a business. On 8/9/09, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hi Laban. Wow! This is indeed the heights of things... :-( . Incase you miss a sponser in the next few days after your mail below, pls let me know offlist and I'll see what can be done..... no promises but will try my level best.
Rgds.
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@Areba, I know you told me to take a break.... lol! But I'll add my 2 cents. As an example, there are many times we on this list openly give out solutions and suggestions without asking for a cent from the person who queried and got an answer. Same way, Open Source can be developed for business use, no one is stopping that. However, I just find it ironical ( from an amatuer programming view ) that no one from kenya has contributed towards more and better localised development of such. Take ubuntu, for seasoned programmers writing a script with an interface that can be localised for users who use safcom, zain, orange, Yu modems can change user experience. :-)
@Aki, reminds me about 2 years back, i came with a media center laptop and these huawei modems couldn't work with it and safaricom told me other people had similar problems and that it would get fixed soon once the new modems come out. well that happened last year and they still didnt work. So I offered safaricom my hard squeezed free time to develop drivers for them.... well am still waiting for them to get back to me. Anyway, i dont use any of those modems whenever am around. my phone works pretty good as a modem, so no pressure! -- SKYPE: sobbayi US: +1 202 470 0525 KE: +254 722 627 691 aki wrote:
@Areba, I know you told me to take a break.... lol! But I'll add my 2 cents. As an example, there are many times we on this list openly give out solutions and suggestions without asking for a cent from the person who queried and got an answer. Same way, Open Source can be developed for business use, no one is stopping that. However, I just find it ironical ( from an amatuer programming view ) that no one from kenya has contributed towards more and better localised development of such. Take ubuntu, for seasoned programmers writing a script with an interface that can be localised for users who use safcom, zain, orange, Yu modems can change user experience. :-)
@Steve, sawa I shall rest my thread. However, as soon as is possible upon completion of my learning curve, I shall be setting up a site and start doing some basic development from there. I know what Im saying but it may not sound correct. Lets give it time and see how things work out. In the case of linux ubuntu and developing a dialer, all am saying is this as an example. If safaricom did not take up the suggestion ( as expected ), there was nothing stopping from developing it for ubuntu and localised it for free ( during free time ). Can you imagine all those who love php and mysql and build around it, did not have access to such or had to pay thousands?
Another thing to note that developing utilities is one thing. Developing a complete application or an application suite is a complete kettle of fish due to the effort required. Aki may have no problem knocking together the utility in an evening. But an application requiring say 3 months of manpower has completely different dynamics. Would anyone be willing to absorb 3 productive months of labour & salary? On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 3:06 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
@Steve, sawa I shall rest my thread. However, as soon as is possible upon completion of my learning curve, I shall be setting up a site and start doing some basic development from there. I know what Im saying but it may not sound correct. Lets give it time and see how things work out. In the case of linux ubuntu and developing a dialer, all am saying is this as an example. If safaricom did not take up the suggestion ( as expected ), there was nothing stopping from developing it for ubuntu and localised it for free ( during free time ). Can you imagine all those who love php and mysql and build around it, did not have access to such or had to pay thousands?
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@Rad, lol! It'll take me a few years to get to SDLC... utilities will be the beginning for me. :-)
If there was no credible "business models" for free and open source software, then we would not be having any success stories to talk about in FOSS. But there are hundreds if not thousands of FOSS products out there. It just goes to prove that Open Source works. Granted there are always challenges, but somehow it works and many times with better products than proprietary alternatives. Ikua On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 3:06 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
@Steve, sawa I shall rest my thread. However, as soon as is possible upon completion of my learning curve, I shall be setting up a site and start doing some basic development from there. I know what Im saying but it may not sound correct. Lets give it time and see how things work out. In the case of linux ubuntu and developing a dialer, all am saying is this as an example. If safaricom did not take up the suggestion ( as expected ), there was nothing stopping from developing it for ubuntu and localised it for free ( during free time ). Can you imagine all those who love php and mysql and build around it, did not have access to such or had to pay thousands?
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No offence Evans, but i think it is important to analyze successful enterprises and why they have succeeded. Enthusiasm and passion I'm afraid are just not enough. In order for us to find out how to progress we need to analyze the success stories and the failures rationally. Why is it that Google/Apache/Mozilla/PostgreSQL and Oracle/Microsoft/SAP succeeded and so many others have failed?? We must analyze this in conjunction with the queries I had asked earlier. It is not enough to say that 'it just works'. If we don't know how it works, how will we recreate the circumstances leading to their success? I think it also make little sense to limit analysis to OSS. The proprietary s/w industry has precisely the same challenges if not more, given their competition is free. How do they address this and succeed? How can the best of both worlds be combined to solve our immediate problems? On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com> wrote:
If there was no credible "business models" for free and open source software, then we would not be having any success stories to talk about in FOSS. But there are hundreds if not thousands of FOSS products out there. It just goes to prove that Open Source works. Granted there are always challenges, but somehow it works and many times with better products than proprietary alternatives.
Ikua
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 3:06 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
@Steve, sawa I shall rest my thread. However, as soon as is possible upon completion of my learning curve, I shall be setting up a site and start doing some basic development from there. I know what Im saying but it may not sound correct. Lets give it time and see how things work out. In the case of linux ubuntu and developing a dialer, all am saying is this as an example. If safaricom did not take up the suggestion ( as expected ), there was nothing stopping from developing it for ubuntu and localised it for free ( during free time ). Can you imagine all those who love php and mysql and build around it, did not have access to such or had to pay thousands?
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There is one particular book i found very insightful in this area. Its titled developing business models for internet, found it at book foundation about four years ago, makes for very good reading and analyzes the different models from a business perspective and looks at critical challenges and benefits. I lost the book, anyone had a copy? Mc graw hill i think. Def a good starting point. On 8/9/09, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
No offence Evans, but i think it is important to analyze successful enterprises and why they have succeeded. Enthusiasm and passion I'm afraid are just not enough.
In order for us to find out how to progress we need to analyze the success stories and the failures rationally. Why is it that Google/Apache/Mozilla/PostgreSQL and Oracle/Microsoft/SAP succeeded and so many others have failed?? We must analyze this in conjunction with the queries I had asked earlier. It is not enough to say that 'it just works'. If we don't know how it works, how will we recreate the circumstances leading to their success?
I think it also make little sense to limit analysis to OSS. The proprietary s/w industry has precisely the same challenges if not more, given their competition is free. How do they address this and succeed?
How can the best of both worlds be combined to solve our immediate problems?
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com> wrote:
If there was no credible "business models" for free and open source software, then we would not be having any success stories to talk about in FOSS. But there are hundreds if not thousands of FOSS products out there. It just goes to prove that Open Source works. Granted there are always challenges, but somehow it works and many times with better products than proprietary alternatives.
Ikua
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 3:06 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
@Steve, sawa I shall rest my thread. However, as soon as is possible upon completion of my learning curve, I shall be setting up a site and start doing some basic development from there. I know what Im saying but it may not sound correct. Lets give it time and see how things work out. In the case of linux ubuntu and developing a dialer, all am saying is this as an example. If safaricom did not take up the suggestion ( as expected ), there was nothing stopping from developing it for ubuntu and localised it for free ( during free time ). Can you imagine all those who love php and mysql and build around it, did not have access to such or had to pay thousands?
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On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Rad! wrote:
In order for us to find out how to progress we need to analyze the success stories and the failures rationally. Why is it that Google/Apache/Mozilla/PostgreSQL and Oracle/Microsoft/SAP succeeded and so many others have failed??
many if not most successful open source projects originated in research departments of Universities. Some lived part of their lives as closed source funded projects ... which were later released in the open source domain (e.g. Postgres was an offshoot of the Ingres db...). secondly open source is a fast route to building a large user and developer base at a low cost -- especially when you have to compete against well entrenched commercial products. many developers working on open source projects do not work for free (even though the work they produce is released for free...) -- they work for large corporations who have business models based on open source products (e.g. google , ibm... )
Hi Evans, my question still goes back to the thread subject. The challenges lie in that kenyans use OS but have they given anything back to it, even in the simplest form of utilities? This to me sounds like a challenge waiting to happen. My comments are all in good faith, not criticising anyone. :-)
I once asked the same question to Mark Shuttleworth, Ubuntu's "benevolent dictator" ( the occasion was UbuntuBelowZero<https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBelowZero> developer preparations for Ubuntu 6.04). I'd noticed that 99.9% of the developers in the room were white so I asked him how it was that an "African" distro (as it was being marketed then) had virtually no African developers. (reader-beware: my memory of this is rusty, so it is quite possible that I completely mis-read him.) His response: opensource development is, largely, a luxury that most in developing countries cannot afford. The realities of making a living and supporting, in one way or another, an extended family (cousins, aunts etc) leave very little time and financial resources to invest in opensource development. He was referring to those whose involvement was hobbyist, i.e. not as a business. He did give me a few examples that he knew of people in Rwanda and Kenya that were involved in opensource primarily as a business. I forget who these were. That was then (4-years ago), I'm curious what the ratio is now. I think there is another element at play, besides poverty (of time and money), but that is for another place and time. saidi On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 9:09 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hi Evans, my question still goes back to the thread subject. The challenges lie in that kenyans use OS but have they given anything back to it, even in the simplest form of utilities? This to me sounds like a challenge waiting to happen. My comments are all in good faith, not criticising anyone. :-)
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On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 8:07 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
I once asked the same question to Mark Shuttleworth, Ubuntu's "benevolent dictator" ( the occasion was UbuntuBelowZero developer preparations for Ubuntu 6.04). I'd noticed that 99.9% of the developers in the room were white so I asked him how it was that an "African" distro (as it was being marketed then) had virtually no African developers.
I have never considered nor confined Open Source to "code contributors."
There is much more to Open Source than just the code. In the OSS ecosystem, there are many opportunities for different people with different talents and resources to play a role. During our open source awards ceremony earlier in the year, we honoured a number of individuals (Kenyans) who have played a role in the global OSS community. We have Kenyans with projects on source forge, we have Kernel engineers like Benard who played a major role in the development of Asianux, among others. This event was the first and its intention was to encourage Kenyans to play a larger role in the global Open Source community. Rad, I know that you guys earning their bread in the proprietary industry have a right to do so. I respect all of you. But I also know that from your camp you have as much vile against OSS as we do against proprietary. Take the article in the Nation the other day about MS and Cisco "assisting" local schools with technology. This is merely a self-serving marketing gimmick to perpetuate themselves and entrench their technologies in the minds of the young students. Vendor lock-in per excellence. This is what makes us lag behind in producing enough guys who can play a wider role in open source because all the teaching and training in schools and institutions of higher learning is done on donated proprietary software. There you have it. Evans On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 8:17 PM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 8:07 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
I once asked the same question to Mark Shuttleworth, Ubuntu's "benevolent dictator" ( the occasion was UbuntuBelowZero developer preparations for Ubuntu 6.04). I'd noticed that 99.9% of the developers in the room were white so I asked him how it was that an "African" distro (as it was being marketed then) had virtually no African developers.
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Who says that proprietory Software houses do not support OpenSouce? most contributors in Opensouce world are mostly full time paid employees in Proprietory software houses. For example Microsoft contributes alot of man hours in the development of opensouce software www.codeplex.com On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com> wrote:
There is much more to Open Source than just the code. In the OSS ecosystem, there are many opportunities for different people with different talents and resources to play a role.
During our open source awards ceremony earlier in the year, we honoured a number of individuals (Kenyans) who have played a role in the global OSS community. We have Kenyans with projects on source forge, we have Kernel engineers like Benard who played a major role in the development of Asianux, among others. This event was the first and its intention was to encourage Kenyans to play a larger role in the global Open Source community.
Rad, I know that you guys earning their bread in the proprietary industry have a right to do so. I respect all of you. But I also know that from your camp you have as much vile against OSS as we do against proprietary. Take the article in the Nation the other day about MS and Cisco "assisting" local schools with technology. This is merely a self-serving marketing gimmick to perpetuate themselves and entrench their technologies in the minds of the young students. Vendor lock-in per excellence. This is what makes us lag behind in producing enough guys who can play a wider role in open source because all the teaching and training in schools and institutions of higher learning is done on donated proprietary software.
There you have it. Evans
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 8:17 PM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 8:07 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
I once asked the same question to Mark Shuttleworth, Ubuntu's "benevolent dictator" ( the occasion was UbuntuBelowZero developer preparations for Ubuntu 6.04). I'd noticed that 99.9% of the developers in the room were white so I asked him how it was that an "African" distro (as it was being marketed then) had virtually no African developers.
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Boom twaff! (the sound of the exploding can of worms). On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Paul Roy <roykoikai@gmail.com> wrote:
Who says that proprietory Software houses do not support OpenSouce? most contributors in Opensouce world are mostly full time paid employees in Proprietory software houses. For example Microsoft contributes alot of man hours in the development of opensouce software www.codeplex.com
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com> wrote:
There is much more to Open Source than just the code. In the OSS ecosystem, there are many opportunities for different people with different talents and resources to play a role.
During our open source awards ceremony earlier in the year, we honoured a number of individuals (Kenyans) who have played a role in the global OSS community. We have Kenyans with projects on source forge, we have Kernel engineers like Benard who played a major role in the development of Asianux, among others. This event was the first and its intention was to encourage Kenyans to play a larger role in the global Open Source community.
Rad, I know that you guys earning their bread in the proprietary industry have a right to do so. I respect all of you. But I also know that from your camp you have as much vile against OSS as we do against proprietary. Take the article in the Nation the other day about MS and Cisco "assisting" local schools with technology. This is merely a self-serving marketing gimmick to perpetuate themselves and entrench their technologies in the minds of the young students. Vendor lock-in per excellence. This is what makes us lag behind in producing enough guys who can play a wider role in open source because all the teaching and training in schools and institutions of higher learning is done on donated proprietary software.
There you have it. Evans
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On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 8:07 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
I once asked the same question to Mark Shuttleworth, Ubuntu's "benevolent dictator" ( the occasion was UbuntuBelowZero developer preparations for Ubuntu 6.04). I'd noticed that 99.9% of the developers in the room were white so I asked him how it was that an "African" distro (as it was being marketed then) had virtually no African developers.
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Boom twaff! (the sound of the exploding can of worms).
ha ha ha ! know what Saidi? with all the prolonged drought let the birdies have their day... ;~)
By the way, I notice no one answered my question so let me ask again. 1. Aside from Erik's Ushahidi, of the MANY developers on this list, who has released software they have written as Open Source, and where can we get it? 2. Aside from Kasina, who else has contributed code / documentation to an Open Source project, and where can we see it?
Conrad, You give the impression of enjoying this thread? Others before you went even further and attempted to draw a global "Geography of Software Production"! On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
By the way, I notice no one answered my question so let me ask again.
My experience is that skunkers answer only what they want or like.
Aside from Erik's Ushahidi, of the MANY developers on this list, who has released software they have written as Open Source, and where can we get it? Aside from Kasina, who else has contributed code / documentation to an Open Source project, and where can we see it?
Have you considered that some may wonder what your intentions for this might be?
I am indeed enjoying this thread, thanks very much. I have no problem with anyone wondeing about my intentions. My intentions are simple. I suspecton the issue of FOSS many of us here - Preach water and drink wine when it comes to FOSS - Ascribe to Henry Ford's fallacy of choice "Let them buy any colour as long as it is black" It should be pretty easy to prove me wrong my addressing my queries. On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:20 AM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>wrote:
Conrad,
You give the impression of enjoying this thread? Others before you went even further and attempted to draw a global "Geography of Software Production"!
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
By the way, I notice no one answered my question so let me ask again.
My experience is that skunkers answer only what they want or like.
Aside from Erik's Ushahidi, of the MANY developers on this list, who has released software they have written as Open Source, and where can we get it? Aside from Kasina, who else has contributed code / documentation to an Open Source project, and where can we see it?
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Rad, excuse me for asking: but what is your point exactly regarding preaching wine vs. drinking water? Are you implying that FOSS advocates also have to be FOSS developers? That's the impression I get from your questions, correct me if I'm wrong. Or are you saying that those advocating FOSS have to release their modifications back to the community? saidi PS last time I checked, Ushahidi was Ory's idea, Erik did the marketing (or something of the sort). On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 2:25 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
I am indeed enjoying this thread, thanks very much.
I have no problem with anyone wondeing about my intentions. My intentions are simple. I suspecton the issue of FOSS many of us here
- Preach water and drink wine when it comes to FOSS - Ascribe to Henry Ford's fallacy of choice "Let them buy any colour as long as it is black"
It should be pretty easy to prove me wrong my addressing my queries.
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:20 AM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>wrote:
Conrad,
You give the impression of enjoying this thread? Others before you went even further and attempted to draw a global "Geography of Software Production"!
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
By the way, I notice no one answered my question so let me ask again.
My experience is that skunkers answer only what they want or like.
Aside from Erik's Ushahidi, of the MANY developers on this list, who has released software they have written as Open Source, and where can we get it? Aside from Kasina, who else has contributed code / documentation to an Open Source project, and where can we see it?
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Well indeed. Ory & Eric & Juliana are co-founders of Ushahidi. I'm not implying that OFSS advovates should be developers. There are many ways to contribute to FOSS (documentation, funding, etc). I'm saying that there is a large number of FOSS advocates that developers here. Ergo there should be a vibrant FOSS ecosystem. I've not said that they have to release anything to the community. I'm just asking why they don't On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:32 AM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
Rad, excuse me for asking: but what is your point exactly regarding preaching wine vs. drinking water? Are you implying that FOSS advocates also have to be FOSS developers? That's the impression I get from your questions, correct me if I'm wrong. Or are you saying that those advocating FOSS have to release their modifications back to the community?
saidi
PS last time I checked, Ushahidi was Ory's idea, Erik did the marketing (or something of the sort).
I put it to you that your intention is to distract FOSS confidence and adoption in government where it is gaining strong grounds. Or otherwise you are out to collect *all* available innovative local FOSS solutions for reasons best known to yourself an those that you work closely with. Correct me if I am wrong. On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Well indeed. Ory & Eric & Juliana are co-founders of Ushahidi.
I'm not implying that OFSS advovates should be developers. There are many ways to contribute to FOSS (documentation, funding, etc). I'm saying that there is a large number of FOSS advocates that developers here. Ergo there should be a vibrant FOSS ecosystem. I've not said that they have to release anything to the community. I'm just asking why they don't
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:32 AM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
Rad, excuse me for asking: but what is your point exactly regarding preaching wine vs. drinking water? Are you implying that FOSS advocates also have to be FOSS developers? That's the impression I get from your questions, correct me if I'm wrong. Or are you saying that those advocating FOSS have to release their modifications back to the community?
saidi
PS last time I checked, Ushahidi was Ory's idea, Erik did the marketing (or something of the sort).
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Ha ha! Alex, relax. This is not a season of 24. Stop misrepresenting my views. Kindly note nowhere have I dictated Government should adopt FOSS or Closed Source. I just refuse to accept the premise that Government must be forced to accept one over another. Alex, let me put my thoughts in black and white. Let developers build applications and solutions and let the users decide which is better, more cost effective, more feature rich, more reliable etc. I have no intentions of collecting innovative local FOSS. But even if I was, what's wrong with that? Isn't that precisely the point of Free And Open Source Software? Sharing? On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>wrote:
I put it to you that your intention is to distract FOSS confidence and adoption in government where it is gaining strong grounds. Or otherwise you are out to collect *all* available innovative local FOSS solutions for reasons best known to yourself an those that you work closely with. Correct me if I am wrong.
Outside of government and possibly some non-profits, there are many reasons most businesses in Kenya don't seem to contribute back to the community: -- few really believe in the underlying FOSS principles (whether leaning more towards Richard Stallman or Linus Torvalds) -- FOSS then becomes a matter of financial convenience, i.e. if FOSS wasn't accessible most would pirate Windows -- contributing back, whether code or documentation, is thus seen as something that disadvantages all the hours you put into developing/extending the FOSS app and gives your competitors a "free gift". In an earlier post I included a series of links that discussed viable business options in this age of easily accessible FOSS (and the reality that your propietary software will be pirated, no matter what you do to prevent it). If you make more money the more people use products like yours, then you have an incentive to contribute back and make sure the ecosystem is vibrant. Sort of like what Google is attempting with the Chrome browser, they couldn't care less about the browser itself, they care about people getting online and seeing their ads. So it makes sense for Google to contribute as much to the community. There is another reason that I think looms larger which is more societal than technical. I hesitate to post it here lest Phares issues a DMCA-style takedown ;) saidi On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 2:39 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Well indeed. Ory & Eric & Juliana are co-founders of Ushahidi.
I'm not implying that OFSS advovates should be developers. There are many ways to contribute to FOSS (documentation, funding, etc). I'm saying that there is a large number of FOSS advocates that developers here. Ergo there should be a vibrant FOSS ecosystem. I've not said that they have to release anything to the community. I'm just asking why they don't
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:32 AM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
Rad, excuse me for asking: but what is your point exactly regarding preaching wine vs. drinking water? Are you implying that FOSS advocates also have to be FOSS developers? That's the impression I get from your questions, correct me if I'm wrong. Or are you saying that those advocating FOSS have to release their modifications back to the community?
saidi
PS last time I checked, Ushahidi was Ory's idea, Erik did the marketing (or something of the sort).
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Since No one has answered, let me kick this off. I'm involved in contributing code to these two projects: 1. MariaDB http://askmonty.org/wiki/index.php/MariaDB_versus_MySQL lead by the team that developed the original MySQL before Sun took over, and a few ex-Sun Engineers, i am also contributing to this project. soon to be launched. we are now running Beta tests and working on the documentation though its quit stable as of now. 2. PhpCollab v3: http://www.php-collab.com/blog/ development on the original phpCollab stalled a few years ago and a bunch of us decided to pick it up and redevelop it from scratch. Its still in the early development stages. 3. Depending on how i can manage my remaining time i may start contributing actively to Ushahidi in the next couple of weeks. <http://www.php-collab.com/blog/2009/08/31/updates-from-phpcollab-v3-development/> Rad! wrote:
By the way, I notice no one answered my question so let me ask again.
1. Aside from Erik's Ushahidi, of the MANY developers on this list, who has released software they have written as Open Source, and where can we get it? 2. Aside from Kasina, who else has contributed code / documentation to an Open Source project, and where can we see it?
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Steve, Good stuff. PHPCollab is a brilliant project, and I truly hope MariaDB hits the ground running after Sun seemed to score spectacular own goals with a perfectly good product. I've just remembered that Steve Mutinda, Michael Wakahe and Wilfred Mworia contributed to the Ushanidi J2ME and iPhone clients. On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
Since No one has answered, let me kick this off. I'm involved in contributing code to these two projects:
1. MariaDB http://askmonty.org/wiki/index.php/MariaDB_versus_MySQL lead by the team that developed the original MySQL before Sun took over, and a few ex-Sun Engineers, i am also contributing to this project. soon to be launched. we are now running Beta tests and working on the documentation though its quit stable as of now.
2. PhpCollab v3: http://www.php-collab.com/blog/ development on the original phpCollab stalled a few years ago and a bunch of us decided to pick it up and redevelop it from scratch. Its still in the early development stages.
3. Depending on how i can manage my remaining time i may start contributing actively to Ushahidi in the next couple of weeks.
< http://www.php-collab.com/blog/2009/08/31/updates-from-phpcollab-v3-developm...
Not to forget http://sourceforge.net/projects/coopworks/ I think one of the developers lurks somewhere on this list. On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Steve,
Good stuff. PHPCollab is a brilliant project, and I truly hope MariaDB hits the ground running after Sun seemed to score spectacular own goals with a perfectly good product.
I've just remembered that Steve Mutinda, Michael Wakahe and Wilfred Mworia contributed to the Ushanidi J2ME and iPhone clients.
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
Since No one has answered, let me kick this off. I'm involved in contributing code to these two projects:
1. MariaDB http://askmonty.org/wiki/index.php/MariaDB_versus_MySQL lead by the team that developed the original MySQL before Sun took over, and a few ex-Sun Engineers, i am also contributing to this project. soon to be launched. we are now running Beta tests and working on the documentation though its quit stable as of now.
2. PhpCollab v3: http://www.php-collab.com/blog/ development on the original phpCollab stalled a few years ago and a bunch of us decided to pick it up and redevelop it from scratch. Its still in the early development stages.
3. Depending on how i can manage my remaining time i may start contributing actively to Ushahidi in the next couple of weeks.
< http://www.php-collab.com/blog/2009/08/31/updates-from-phpcollab-v3-developm...
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Thanks Rad! what i plan to contribute to Ushahidi is Symbian and Maemo Clients, I just pray as we approach December my schedule will ease up. Rad! wrote:
Steve,
Good stuff. PHPCollab is a brilliant project, and I truly hope MariaDB hits the ground running after Sun seemed to score spectacular own goals with a perfectly good product.
I've just remembered that Steve Mutinda, Michael Wakahe and Wilfred Mworia contributed to the Ushanidi J2ME and iPhone clients.
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com <mailto:steve@sobbayi.com>> wrote:
Since No one has answered, let me kick this off. I'm involved in contributing code to these two projects:
1. MariaDB http://askmonty.org/wiki/index.php/MariaDB_versus_MySQL lead by the team that developed the original MySQL before Sun took over, and a few ex-Sun Engineers, i am also contributing to this project. soon to be launched. we are now running Beta tests and working on the documentation though its quit stable as of now.
2. PhpCollab v3: http://www.php-collab.com/blog/ development on the original phpCollab stalled a few years ago and a bunch of us decided to pick it up and redevelop it from scratch. Its still in the early development stages.
3. Depending on how i can manage my remaining time i may start contributing actively to Ushahidi in the next couple of weeks.
<http://www.php-collab.com/blog/2009/08/31/updates-from-phpcollab-v3-development/>
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Take no offence Conrad. Just my observations. There is also OpenBaraza by DewCIS http://sourceforge.net/projects/baraza/ On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
Thanks Rad! what i plan to contribute to Ushahidi is Symbian and Maemo Clients, I just pray as we approach December my schedule will ease up.
Rad! wrote:
Steve,
Good stuff. PHPCollab is a brilliant project, and I truly hope MariaDB hits the ground running after Sun seemed to score spectacular own goals with a perfectly good product.
I've just remembered that Steve Mutinda, Michael Wakahe and Wilfred Mworia contributed to the Ushanidi J2ME and iPhone clients.
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com <mailto:steve@sobbayi.com>> wrote:
Since No one has answered, let me kick this off. I'm involved in contributing code to these two projects:
1. MariaDB http://askmonty.org/wiki/index.php/MariaDB_versus_MySQL lead by the team that developed the original MySQL before Sun took over, and a few ex-Sun Engineers, i am also contributing to this project. soon to be launched. we are now running Beta tests and working on the documentation though its quit stable as of now.
2. PhpCollab v3: http://www.php-collab.com/blog/ development on the original phpCollab stalled a few years ago and a bunch of us decided to pick it up and redevelop it from scratch. Its still in the early development stages.
3. Depending on how i can manage my remaining time i may start contributing actively to Ushahidi in the next couple of weeks.
<http://www.php-collab.com/blog/2009/08/31/updates-from-phpcollab-v3-development/>
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Hi all, just to add my thots, though from a novice view. So far we have just managed to name about 10 developers in a population of 40million+ . I think there is a huge problem with this imbalance. Rgds.
Theres also Arthur on Fedora https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Arthurbuliva On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 10:58 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hi all, just to add my thots, though from a novice view. So far we have just managed to name about 10 developers in a population of 40million+ . I think there is a huge problem with this imbalance.
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Aki, Thats not the way you look at Statistics. There are not 40 Million developers or IT people in Kenya. First of all you will need to do a thorough study to establish the number of developers in Kenya. Then determine how many develop on OSS. And this is different from contributing code to the global OSS community. My null hypothesis is that there are more OSS developers in Kenya than there are on proprietary platforms. On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Paul Njoroge <njorogekamau@gmail.com> wrote:
Theres also Arthur on Fedora
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Arthurbuliva
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 10:58 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hi all, just to add my thots, though from a novice view. So far we have just managed to name about 10 developers in a population of 40million+ . I think there is a huge problem with this imbalance.
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Evans, you say 40 Million?Last time I checked Kenya's population was about the same figure, meaning we all developers/IT people! -- Regards, Muniu Kariuki | T: +254 720 813 525 | E: dennis.muniu@gmail.com | Twitter: muniu | Skype: muniu_k |
Evans, I too disagree with the 40 million figure. However, before you make your null hypothesis you are also bound to the same rules you have prescribed to Aki. Over and above the establishment of numbers, you also need definitions. What is your definition of an OSS developer? On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com> wrote:
Aki, Thats not the way you look at Statistics. There are not 40 Million developers or IT people in Kenya. First of all you will need to do a thorough study to establish the number of developers in Kenya. Then determine how many develop on OSS. And this is different from contributing code to the global OSS community. My null hypothesis is that there are more OSS developers in Kenya than there are on proprietary platforms.
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Paul Njoroge <njorogekamau@gmail.com> wrote:
Theres also Arthur on Fedora
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Arthurbuliva
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 10:58 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hi all, just to add my thots, though from a novice view. So far we have just managed to name about 10 developers in a population of 40million+ . I think there is a huge problem with this imbalance.
Rgds.
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 10:58 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hi all, just to add my thots, though from a novice view. So far we have just managed to name about 10 developers in a population of 40million+ . I think there is a huge problem with this imbalance.
Rgds.
Like Shuttleworth pointed out, most European open source contributors are hobbysts while most developers in Africa are busy trying to make ends meet for themselves and their extended families. With such an incredible burden of responsibilities, the African developer will stay up late writing code or adapting an existing code base for a project so as to make the money he needs to and after that is done he will quickly move on to the next project to make a little more money. Now, had he made enough money in the first project he probably would have taken a holiday, and then a few days into the holiday it would hit him "I can commit the changes I made to xx project back to the community". A more practical approach to tap the sub-saharan potential would be to create incentives for developers from third world countries to contribute their modifications/hacks/bug fixes back to the community at the `eureka` moment. Seeing that the incentive is obviously financial (or the prospect thereof) , the question is whether it can be met for the African developer. Or do we just leave it to those among us who have plenty of time on their hands ? Another question : is money the only incentive that an African developer needs ? -- Ndungi Kyalo
Very true. But the code is the foundation of all other involvements. No code, no community. Bad code, bad community. And since this is (mostly?) a developer list, I assume (perhaps wrongly) that that is where people interests/abilities lie. I like what you're saying: what other non-coding opportunities exist? I hope documentation isn't one of them cuz I don't know any one who likes doing it. Perhaps filing good bug reports? Helping out in newbie forums? saidi On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>wrote:
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 8:07 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
I once asked the same question to Mark Shuttleworth, Ubuntu's "benevolent dictator" ( the occasion was UbuntuBelowZero developer preparations for Ubuntu 6.04). I'd noticed that 99.9% of the developers in the room were white so I asked him how it was that an "African" distro (as it was being marketed then) had virtually no African developers.
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Let's argue the opposite. How much code do our local closed source defenders contribute? Or would they be mostly just commissioned resellers occasionally offering some "additional" vendor lockin services at sizable personal incomes/fees? On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 8:45 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
Very true. But the code is the foundation of all other involvements. No code, no community. Bad code, bad community. And since this is (mostly?) a developer list, I assume (perhaps wrongly) that that is where people interests/abilities lie. I like what you're saying: what other non-coding opportunities exist? I hope documentation isn't one of them cuz I don't know any one who likes doing it. Perhaps filing good bug reports? Helping out in newbie forums? saidi
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 8:07 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
I once asked the same question to Mark Shuttleworth, Ubuntu's "benevolent dictator" ( the occasion was UbuntuBelowZero developer preparations for Ubuntu 6.04). I'd noticed that 99.9% of the developers in the room were white so I asked him how it was that an "African" distro (as it was being marketed then) had virtually no African developers.
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Hopefully without opening a can of nasty worms, I don't see a compelling value proposition for closed-source/proprietary software, and if it was within my powers I would make that official government policy. The benefits of this have been countlessly outlined in great detail elsewhere, just google. Having said that, I also think there needs to be a vigorous discussion on why *public* contribution to FOSS is poor in Kenya (there are a lot of *private* modifications to FOSS that are not released, contrary to the opensource licenses). saidi On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>wrote:
Let's argue the opposite. How much code do our local closed source defenders contribute? Or would they be mostly just commissioned resellers occasionally offering some "additional" vendor lockin services at sizable personal incomes/fees?
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 8:45 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
Very true. But the code is the foundation of all other involvements. No code, no community. Bad code, bad community. And since this is (mostly?) a developer list, I assume (perhaps wrongly) that that is where people interests/abilities lie. I like what you're saying: what other non-coding opportunities exist? I hope documentation isn't one of them cuz I don't know any one who likes doing it. Perhaps filing good bug reports? Helping out in newbie forums? saidi
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com
wrote:
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 8:07 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com>
wrote:
I once asked the same question to Mark Shuttleworth, Ubuntu's "benevolent dictator" ( the occasion was UbuntuBelowZero developer preparations for Ubuntu 6.04). I'd noticed that 99.9% of the developers in the room were white so I asked him how it was that an "African" distro (as it was being marketed then) had virtually no African developers.
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On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 9:14 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
Hopefully without opening a can of nasty worms,
You shouldn't even bother worrying about *opening* the can ... when some of our supposed ICT leaders are ever so busy breeding new worms and locking them in the can for reasons best known only to themselves. Wash the can sparkling cling on the outside, then announce to the world what a wonderful technology nation they are making.
(there are a lot of *private* modifications to FOSS that are not released, contrary to the opensource licenses).
That's illegal. "The US Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit in Washington ruled that just because a software programmer freely gave his work away, it didn’t follow that it could not be protected." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08/14/open_source_creative_commons_license... Dispelling the "Intellectual Property" Myths One of the most common misunderstandings regarding intellectual property rights, particularly copyright, is that the actual creators are the main beneficiaries of the grant. In reality, it is the large companies that employ creators and then strip them of their copyright through contracts who actually benefit from the grant society intended as a reward for authors. This important misunderstanding is no accident. Misleading "romantic notions of authorship" are systematically spun by the companies who stand in the shoes of creators to justify the generous monopoly right rewarded to them. http://www.imaginelaw.com/lawyer-attorney-1181356.html
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Let's argue the opposite. How much code do our local closed source defenders contribute? Or would they be mostly just commissioned resellers occasionally offering some "additional" vendor lockin services at sizable personal incomes/fees?
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 8:45 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
Very true. But the code is the foundation of all other involvements. No code, no community. Bad code, bad community. And since this is (mostly?) a developer list, I assume (perhaps wrongly) that that is where people interests/abilities lie. I like what you're saying: what other non-coding opportunities exist? I hope documentation isn't one of them cuz I don't know any one who likes doing it. Perhaps filing good bug reports? Helping out in newbie forums? saidi
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 8:07 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
I once asked the same question to Mark Shuttleworth, Ubuntu's "benevolent dictator" ( the occasion was UbuntuBelowZero developer preparations for Ubuntu 6.04). I'd noticed that 99.9% of the developers in the room were white so I asked him how it was that an "African" distro (as it was being marketed then) had virtually no African developers.
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@Saidi, But please note that *the license* matters -> even more the Freedom:) ... e.g. The BSD License allows proprietary use, and for the software released under the license to be incorporated into proprietary products. Works based on the material may be released under a proprietary license or as closed source software. This is the reason for widespread use of the BSD code in proprietary products, ranging from Juniper Networks routers to Mac OS X http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_licenses regards, On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
(there are a lot of *private* modifications to FOSS that are not released, contrary to the opensource licenses).
That's illegal. "The US Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit in Washington ruled that just because a software programmer freely gave his work away, it didn’t follow that it could not be protected." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08/14/open_source_creative_commons_license...
Dispelling the "Intellectual Property" Myths
One of the most common misunderstandings regarding intellectual property rights, particularly copyright, is that the actual creators are the main beneficiaries of the grant. In reality, it is the large companies that employ creators and then strip them of their copyright through contracts who actually benefit from the grant society intended as a reward for authors. This important misunderstanding is no accident. Misleading "romantic notions of authorship" are systematically spun by the companies who stand in the shoes of creators to justify the generous monopoly right rewarded to them. http://www.imaginelaw.com/lawyer-attorney-1181356.html
“Free software” is a matter of liberty, not price. To understand the concept, you should think of “free” as in “free speech”, not as in “free beer”. Free software is a matter of the users’ freedom to run, copy, distribute, study, change and improve the software. More precisely, it refers to four kinds of freedom, for the users of the software: The freedom to run the program, for any purpose (freedom 0). The freedom to study how the program works, and adapt it to your needs (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a precondition for this. The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor (freedom 2). The freedom to improve the program, and release your improvements to the public, so that the whole community benefits (freedom 3). Access to the source code is a precondition for this. Incentives play a role in "free" as an impetus to FOSS development....Even http://www.fsf.org/ has a link to "donate"..... ./bernard On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>wrote:
@Saidi,
But please note that *the license* matters -> even more the Freedom:) ... e.g.
The BSD License allows proprietary use, and for the software released under the license to be incorporated into proprietary products. Works based on the material may be released under a proprietary license or as closed source software. This is the reason for widespread use of the BSD code in proprietary products, ranging from Juniper Networks routers to Mac OS X
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_licenses
regards,
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
(there are a lot of *private* modifications to FOSS that are not released, contrary to the opensource licenses).
That's illegal. "The US Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit in Washington ruled that just because a software programmer freely gave his work away, it didn’t follow that it could not be protected."
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08/14/open_source_creative_commons_license...
Dispelling the "Intellectual Property" Myths
One of the most common misunderstandings regarding intellectual property rights, particularly copyright, is that the actual creators are the main beneficiaries of the grant. In reality, it is the large companies that employ creators and then strip them of their copyright through contracts who actually benefit from the grant society intended as a reward for authors. This important misunderstanding is no accident. Misleading "romantic notions of authorship" are systematically spun by the companies who stand in the shoes of creators to justify the generous monopoly right rewarded to them. http://www.imaginelaw.com/lawyer-attorney-1181356.html
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now now Evans, kindly don't put words in my mouth. I have nothing against open source. as a matter of fact I use it heavily. I browse with firefox, and even used it from version 0.4 when it was not even called firefox. I use filezilla for ftp. I run several blogs on wordpress. I host several sites on a debian box. I run ubuntu on a vm. php is a language I have excellent grasp of, as is python and java. I've been using mysql for years, as well as interbase and firebird. how is it then that I have something against open source? please gentlemen let's not toss around allegations. I'll repeat again. I see no reason why I have to exclusively use open source or exclusively use closed source software and tools. I find this endless debate pointless and tiresome. let everyone find their skill set and use it to deliver value for users. let our solutions and software speak for themselves. this must be the only industry that spends disproportionate amounts of energy and time arguing about tools rather than actually developing solutions. command buttons work the same way in visual basic, delphi, lazarus, java and c. users don't know and don't care how it was built. lousy software can be written in any technology. being open source or closed does not automatically grant software features and utility! let the applications speak for themselves. let users vote with their preferences and wallets. it is the epitome of double speak to preach for choice and then go on to place restrictions! On 9/28/09, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
Very true. But the code is the foundation of all other involvements. No code, no community. Bad code, bad community. And since this is (mostly?) a developer list, I assume (perhaps wrongly) that that is where people interests/abilities lie.
I like what you're saying: what other non-coding opportunities exist? I hope documentation isn't one of them cuz I don't know any one who likes doing it. Perhaps filing good bug reports? Helping out in newbie forums?
saidi
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>wrote:
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 8:07 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
I once asked the same question to Mark Shuttleworth, Ubuntu's "benevolent dictator" ( the occasion was UbuntuBelowZero developer preparations for Ubuntu 6.04). I'd noticed that 99.9% of the developers in the room were white so I asked him how it was that an "African" distro (as it was being marketed then) had virtually no African developers.
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Rad That is great I share your school of thought Preston ----- Original Message ---- From: Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> To: Skunkworks Forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:13:38 AM Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] open source or freeware...... does kenya contribute to development of Open Source? now now Evans, kindly don't put words in my mouth. I have nothing against open source. as a matter of fact I use it heavily. I browse with firefox, and even used it from version 0.4 when it was not even called firefox. I use filezilla for ftp. I run several blogs on wordpress. I host several sites on a debian box. I run ubuntu on a vm. php is a language I have excellent grasp of, as is python and java. I've been using mysql for years, as well as interbase and firebird. how is it then that I have something against open source? please gentlemen let's not toss around allegations. I'll repeat again. I see no reason why I have to exclusively use open source or exclusively use closed source software and tools. I find this endless debate pointless and tiresome. let everyone find their skill set and use it to deliver value for users. let our solutions and software speak for themselves. this must be the only industry that spends disproportionate amounts of energy and time arguing about tools rather than actually developing solutions. command buttons work the same way in visual basic, delphi, lazarus, java and c. users don't know and don't care how it was built. lousy software can be written in any technology. being open source or closed does not automatically grant software features and utility! let the applications speak for themselves. let users vote with their preferences and wallets. it is the epitome of double speak to preach for choice and then go on to place restrictions! On 9/28/09, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
Very true. But the code is the foundation of all other involvements. No code, no community. Bad code, bad community. And since this is (mostly?) a developer list, I assume (perhaps wrongly) that that is where people interests/abilities lie.
I like what you're saying: what other non-coding opportunities exist? I hope documentation isn't one of them cuz I don't know any one who likes doing it. Perhaps filing good bug reports? Helping out in newbie forums?
saidi
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>wrote:
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 8:07 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
I once asked the same question to Mark Shuttleworth, Ubuntu's "benevolent dictator" ( the occasion was UbuntuBelowZero developer preparations for Ubuntu 6.04). I'd noticed that 99.9% of the developers in the room were white so I asked him how it was that an "African" distro (as it was being marketed then) had virtually no African developers.
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On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com> wrote:
If there was no credible "business models" for free and open source software, then we would not be having any success stories to talk about in FOSS. But there are hundreds if not thousands of FOSS products out there. It just goes to prove that Open Source works. Granted there are always challenges, but somehow it works and many times with better products than proprietary alternatives.
Just toadd my 2cents..
From the little I know, most of the good (secure, actively maintained and supported) FOSS out there are funded. Either the developers are in full time employment as developers, with the employer recognizing the importance of "giving to the community" (examples - Dovecot, Lusca-cache, Exim) or the developers are getting paid via community efforts (direct donations by the software users to foundations, purchase of CD subscriptions and sale of paraphernalia (FreeBSD is in this category). So funding for the development must be there, somehow otherwise soon you see the project fizzle out.
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@steve, install, plug in your modem and wait :-) . its their network manager. There is an icon somewhere, assuming you installed the desktop version. On 8/9/09, Odhiambo ワシントン <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com> wrote:
If there was no credible "business models" for free and open source software, then we would not be having any success stories to talk about in FOSS. But there are hundreds if not thousands of FOSS products out there. It just goes to prove that Open Source works. Granted there are always challenges, but somehow it works and many times with better products than proprietary alternatives.
Just toadd my 2cents..
From the little I know, most of the good (secure, actively maintained and supported) FOSS out there are funded. Either the developers are in full time employment as developers, with the employer recognizing the importance of "giving to the community" (examples - Dovecot, Lusca-cache, Exim) or the developers are getting paid via community efforts (direct donations by the software users to foundations, purchase of CD subscriptions and sale of paraphernalia (FreeBSD is in this category). So funding for the development must be there, somehow otherwise soon you see the project fizzle out.
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Aki, some of the apps you are willing to develop already come with webmin, which though, is browser based. So for those guys willing to do FOSS, please check whether a similar project exists, and then focus on bettering it. As for development, maybe we can have some group of skunkers who identify a project and work on it as a whole, maybe through subversions. 2009/8/10 Odhiambo ワシントン <odhiambo@gmail.com>
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com> wrote:
If there was no credible "business models" for free and open source software, then we would not be having any success stories to talk about in FOSS. But there are hundreds if not thousands of FOSS products out there. It just goes to prove that Open Source works. Granted there are always challenges, but somehow it works and many times with better products than proprietary alternatives.
Just toadd my 2cents..
From the little I know, most of the good (secure, actively maintained and supported) FOSS out there are funded. Either the developers are in full time employment as developers, with the employer recognizing the importance of "giving to the community" (examples - Dovecot, Lusca-cache, Exim) or the developers are getting paid via community efforts (direct donations by the software users to foundations, purchase of CD subscriptions and sale of paraphernalia (FreeBSD is in this category). So funding for the development must be there, somehow otherwise soon you see the project fizzle out.
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@Dennis, am learning the c# platform on M$ and have a very long way to go yet. My apps will be for the M$ platform. :-) On the FOSS front, the openings and oppurtunities that fiber brings including the one million laptops project, I'd suggest seasoned OS developers to comeup with localised OS with support packages. Imagine porting 50,000 apps for localised FOSS based laptops with interactive mouse overs in swahili! Are guys even planning anything yet? If this project rolls, its an iphone hit for many developers. My thots, I could be wrong.......Good luck... :-)
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Arthurbuliva Also developed kamusi desktop (both windows and linux version), released under GNU. Has also done something to do with amarok-kopete integration, i think. Both are hosted at google code.
am not sure how guys on ubuntu connect using these 3g modems. in 2 months time i will have a bit of time on my hands. maybe if nothing has been done to make it easy to connect to safcom/orange/zain then i think i will take it up and do some something about it just to keep out of mischief. -- SKYPE: sobbayi US: +1 202 470 0525 KE: +254 722 627 691 aki wrote:
@Steve, sawa I shall rest my thread. However, as soon as is possible upon completion of my learning curve, I shall be setting up a site and start doing some basic development from there. I know what Im saying but it may not sound correct. Lets give it time and see how things work out. In the case of linux ubuntu and developing a dialer, all am saying is this as an example. If safaricom did not take up the suggestion ( as expected ), there was nothing stopping from developing it for ubuntu and localised it for free ( during free time ). Can you imagine all those who love php and mysql and build around it, did not have access to such or had to pay thousands?
@steve and @aki, i think you should check out the latest ubuntu cause someone already did that complete with settings for zain, saf and econet. The rest pretty easy to set up. In fact i plugged in my phone, and set up connection in a minute. On 8/9/09, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
am not sure how guys on ubuntu connect using these 3g modems. in 2 months time i will have a bit of time on my hands. maybe if nothing has been done to make it easy to connect to safcom/orange/zain then i think i will take it up and do some something about it just to keep out of mischief. --
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aki wrote:
@Steve, sawa I shall rest my thread. However, as soon as is possible upon completion of my learning curve, I shall be setting up a site and start doing some basic development from there. I know what Im saying but it may not sound correct. Lets give it time and see how things work out. In the case of linux ubuntu and developing a dialer, all am saying is this as an example. If safaricom did not take up the suggestion ( as expected ), there was nothing stopping from developing it for ubuntu and localised it for free ( during free time ). Can you imagine all those who love php and mysql and build around it, did not have access to such or had to pay thousands?
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Really? ok theres goes my vacation project. so can i sudo apt-get it? like to have a look at it? -- SKYPE: sobbayi US: +1 202 470 0525 KE: +254 722 627 691 Areba Collins wrote:
@steve and @aki, i think you should check out the latest ubuntu cause someone already did that complete with settings for zain, saf and econet. The rest pretty easy to set up. In fact i plugged in my phone, and set up connection in a minute.
'Business model' is a bit of an amorphous term. Look at it this way: all software (open source or not) costs money to produce. To produce quality software of any maana you must have the following - Design/use case development/algorithm development/analysis - *Good *developers. Let me re-iterate. Good developers. These cost more than fly-by-wire types - Testers - Graphic designers (icons, layout, etc) - Documentation (source code, manuals, tutorials) - Project/Product management - Support These must be funded. If you skimp on any of these your software is very likely to fail, and fail spectacularly. So any business, open source of otherwise, will need to come up with a way of addressing how to meet the above costs, plus day to day admin costs, and still remain profitable. With those as the costs, the money must come from one (or more) of the following - Angel Investors - Selling the software itself - Selling miscellaneous services around the software (training,support etc) On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
My 2 cents: even open source development has a business model, they dont just sell the software, but i bet you they sell something they do sell, maybe even not to you. Consider for a moment ubuntu, open bravo, sugar crm, joomla, even google. They offer stuff and services for free, but behind the scenes they have solid business models. If you ask me, reason many developers are not doing open source is because according to our teachers, open source software is software that is developed and given out free of charge instead of teaching oss as a business model. Way forward, lets talk open source software as a business.
On 8/9/09, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hi Laban. Wow! This is indeed the heights of things... :-( . Incase you miss a sponser in the next few days after your mail below, pls let me know offlist and I'll see what can be done..... no promises but will try my level best.
Rgds.
@rad, i mean exactly that, there has to be a business model first. Take this example, google created a great service, offered it for free. Money was not in charging for a search query, it came in a different way. Same as gmail, ubuntu, and joomla. To have a good strategy therefore is to offer the free software as a part of the process. As i said, lets talk about how we can make money from doing software and giving it out free and im sure we will have lots of open source goodies out there. @aki, i can do a joomla component free and offer it for download from my site, before you download, you have to fill in a questionnaire and give me your email, tel and cell no, if i can sell that info at ksh 100 a piece, and i get 100000 downloads a month, what / who will stop me from doing version 2, 3, . . . . Etc of the same. Moral of the story, lets brainstorm backwards, from the end, what else can we sell in order to give the software free? On 8/9/09, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
'Business model' is a bit of an amorphous term.
Look at it this way: all software (open source or not) costs money to produce. To produce quality software of any maana you must have the following
- Design/use case development/algorithm development/analysis - *Good *developers. Let me re-iterate. Good developers. These cost more than fly-by-wire types - Testers - Graphic designers (icons, layout, etc) - Documentation (source code, manuals, tutorials) - Project/Product management - Support
These must be funded. If you skimp on any of these your software is very likely to fail, and fail spectacularly. So any business, open source of otherwise, will need to come up with a way of addressing how to meet the above costs, plus day to day admin costs, and still remain profitable. With those as the costs, the money must come from one (or more) of the following
- Angel Investors - Selling the software itself - Selling miscellaneous services around the software (training,support etc)
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
My 2 cents: even open source development has a business model, they dont just sell the software, but i bet you they sell something they do sell, maybe even not to you. Consider for a moment ubuntu, open bravo, sugar crm, joomla, even google. They offer stuff and services for free, but behind the scenes they have solid business models. If you ask me, reason many developers are not doing open source is because according to our teachers, open source software is software that is developed and given out free of charge instead of teaching oss as a business model. Way forward, lets talk open source software as a business.
On 8/9/09, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hi Laban. Wow! This is indeed the heights of things... :-( . Incase you miss a sponser in the next few days after your mail below, pls let me know offlist and I'll see what can be done..... no promises but will try my level best.
Rgds.
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OPENWORLD will pay for it Laban! Send me invoice and we shall be paying for its renewal every year. Lets acknowledge that KENIC initially supported it since registration. On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Lmwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All, While we are on this vein, http://opensource.or.ke/ is down. No money to pay for the domain, A host of contributors & I provide content. Know anyone/corp willing to support it for a paltry 3k/year [ http://pct.co.ke/support/BasicHosting], You ofcourse get our undying gratitude and a link back yo your site/blog. CSR anyone?
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
That's the chap I was thinking of.
Yes, i'd also forgotten about Erik & Ory's Ushahidi.
But still, the ratio of developers to OSS projects seems to be saying that OSS makes more sense from a consumer perspective than from a producer one. In fact I dare say it's the Free rather than the Open in OSS that appeals most. How many people here for instance have paid for Red Hat products?
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Josiah Mugambi <jmugambi@gmail.com>wrote:
Ken Kasina ( I dont' think he's on the list) has been working on the PC BSD installer... (I got a sneak preview). There's also ushahidi which is open source too ....
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Hello Dorcas, When laban raised this below, after a few weeks or so he had still not gotten any replies so I got him a sponsor ( chekelea.com ) for the first year. They received the payment about 2 weeks ago, I think. Glad to see that others will also support this local innitiative. :-) On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
OPENWORLD will pay for it Laban! Send me invoice and we shall be paying for its renewal every year.
Lets acknowledge that KENIC initially supported it since registration.
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Lmwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All, While we are on this vein, http://opensource.or.ke/ is down. No money to pay for the domain, A host of contributors & I provide content. Know anyone/corp willing to support it for a paltry 3k/year [ http://pct.co.ke/support/BasicHosting], You ofcourse get our undying gratitude and a link back yo your site/blog. CSR anyone?
Thanks Aki, I receive digests for this list and do not review the postings very often therefore tend to be fairly behind. Thanks to chekelea.com, its my pledge to pay for opensource.or.ke as long as OPENWORLD exists. I will follow up with Laban to have the invoices redirected to us in the future. I might want to mention i proposed the domain at an "open day" at SCI formerly ICS, UON back when Laban presented a very cool robotics project for his final year! Goal was to make it some sort of Kenyan sourceforge/freashmeat which we can still do and will do! On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 10:26 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hello Dorcas, When laban raised this below, after a few weeks or so he had still not gotten any replies so I got him a sponsor ( chekelea.com ) for the first year. They received the payment about 2 weeks ago, I think. Glad to see that others will also support this local innitiative. :-)
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com>wrote:
OPENWORLD will pay for it Laban! Send me invoice and we shall be paying for its renewal every year.
Lets acknowledge that KENIC initially supported it since registration.
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Lmwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All, While we are on this vein, http://opensource.or.ke/ is down. No money to pay for the domain, A host of contributors & I provide content. Know anyone/corp willing to support it for a paltry 3k/year [ http://pct.co.ke/support/BasicHosting], You ofcourse get our undying gratitude and a link back yo your site/blog. CSR anyone?
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I'm sorry but when I hear of freshmeat in a Kenyan context I can't help thinking of the (in)famous Dagoretti slaughterhouses. Maybe the Kenyan equivalent could be called nyamchom or something ;) Evans, I like your null hypothesis. Let's see if anyone can void it ;) Ndungi said: A more practical approach to tap the sub-saharan potential would be to
create incentives for developers from third world countries to contribute their modifications/hacks/bug fixes back to the community at the `eureka` moment. Seeing that the incentive is obviously financial (or the prospect thereof) , the question is whether it can be met for the African developer. Or do we just leave it to those among us who have plenty of time on their hands ?
Well said! The heart of the matter is that it is *always* a matter of incentives. Amazing how that simple fact escapes us. Consider the following examples from other discussions on this list: - twisting and moaning about high internet access charges - ideas on how to revamp/monetize skunkworks-ke - the perennial hand-wringing about politicians and policy In all these discussions I don't remember *ever* seeing anyone tackle the issue of incentives: why would/should the targets of our wrath change their behavior? Without a solid response to this question, we'll continue spinning in the mud 'till the proverbial cows come home (or get hit by a speeding truck). saidi On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 6:37 AM, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Aki,
I receive digests for this list and do not review the postings very often therefore tend to be fairly behind. Thanks to chekelea.com, its my pledge to pay for opensource.or.ke as long as OPENWORLD exists. I will follow up with Laban to have the invoices redirected to us in the future.
I might want to mention i proposed the domain at an "open day" at SCI formerly ICS, UON back when Laban presented a very cool robotics project for his final year! Goal was to make it some sort of Kenyan sourceforge/freashmeat which we can still do and will do!
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 10:26 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hello Dorcas, When laban raised this below, after a few weeks or so he had still not gotten any replies so I got him a sponsor ( chekelea.com ) for the first year. They received the payment about 2 weeks ago, I think. Glad to see that others will also support this local innitiative. :-)
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com>wrote:
OPENWORLD will pay for it Laban! Send me invoice and we shall be paying for its renewal every year.
Lets acknowledge that KENIC initially supported it since registration.
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Lmwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All, While we are on this vein, http://opensource.or.ke/ is down. No money to pay for the domain, A host of contributors & I provide content. Know anyone/corp willing to support it for a paltry 3k/year [ http://pct.co.ke/support/BasicHosting], You ofcourse get our undying gratitude and a link back yo your site/blog. CSR anyone?
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aki -
Areba Collins -
Ashok Hariharan -
Bernard Mwagiru -
Dennis Kioko -
Dorcas Muthoni -
Evans Ikua -
Gakuru Alex -
Josiah Mugambi -
Lmwangi -
Mr. Lawi -
Muniu Kariuki -
Ndungi Kyalo -
Odhiambo ワシントン -
Paul Njoroge -
Paul Roy -
Peter Karunyu -
Preston -
Rad! -
saidimu apale -
Steve Obbayi