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ATT to Google kenya techies, Can you Kindly take google default back to English..This business of figuring out what "Wavuti", "Mpangilio wa zana" , "iliyo kwa kache" MEANS is Driving us NUTS..Or better still take the Default to the local slang/sheng, otherwise 90% of kenyans dont understand Kiswahili Sanifu..
90 percent of Kenyans? I beg to differ maybe Nairobians, let google be, why is Kiswahili recognised by our constitution as a national language, better still how will the rest of the country close to fifteen million benefit? This is the reason we are talking about Kenyans for Kenyans we need equal opportunities for all , those who have been involved in ICT sensitization activities mashinani appreciate what google is doing. Localization is key to bridging the digital divide. My two Cassavas :-) On 8/10/11, moses njuguna <moses.w.n@gmail.com> wrote:
ATT to Google kenya techies, Can you Kindly take google default back to English..This business of figuring out what "Wavuti", "Mpangilio wa zana" , "iliyo kwa kache" MEANS is Driving us NUTS..Or better still take the Default to the local slang/sheng, otherwise 90% of kenyans dont understand Kiswahili Sanifu..
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Barrack I tend to believe Moses estimates of 90%. There was a project I was doing in many of these rural areas and villages and the reality is, people in the villages dont speak fluent Kiswahili. My Kiswahili totally sucks but I was able to tell that their Kiswahili was also wrong. Another thing in many of the villages they are most comfortable with their native tongues. I also found out with the younger generations even in the villages they have just as good English skills as kiswahili if not better. Why? They pick it from watching a lot of bootlegged DVDs which have TV series and movies. But one thing you have got to admit, in Kenya we generally do not speak fluent Swahili. That brings m to another point. Why cant Kenya come up with their own version of Kiswahili? For example look at Australian English vs British or American English. The same goes for portuguese. The Brazilian portugues has many variations from the Portugal portugues and the trend is all over. Kenya is trying to force itself to get up to speed with the traditional standard Kiswahili yet envirmental factors are pointing in a different direction. Kenya has a chance to invent a unique flavor of Kiswahili and call it her own. Why wasnt sheng pushed as a constitutionally recognized official language? Just My thoughts, I dont know much about sheng either. Steve ----- "Barrack Otieno" <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
90 percent of Kenyans? I beg to differ maybe Nairobians, let google be, why is Kiswahili recognised by our constitution as a national language, better still how will the rest of the country close to fifteen million benefit? This is the reason we are talking about Kenyans for Kenyans we need equal opportunities for all , those who have been involved in ICT sensitization activities mashinani appreciate what google is doing. Localization is key to bridging the digital divide.
My two Cassavas :-)
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ATT to Google kenya techies, Can you Kindly take google default back to English..This business of figuring out what "Wavuti", "Mpangilio wa zana" , "iliyo kwa kache" MEANS is Driving us NUTS..Or better still take the Default to the local slang/sheng, otherwise 90% of kenyans dont understand Kiswahili Sanifu..
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Pure Swahili is NOT our local dialect..So it beats sense Why they Should put it as Default..Let English be Default and for those who need swahili can Change to it as was before..Am not being un- patriotic, It's Just such a bore to keep switching back to English..and Yes, even a sheng link..My grandmother Knows the meaning of "Chapaa" and "Bonoko" but has no idea what the Hell Ramani or wavuti means.. On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
90 percent of Kenyans? I beg to differ maybe Nairobians, let google be, why is Kiswahili recognised by our constitution as a national language, better still how will the rest of the country close to fifteen million benefit? This is the reason we are talking about Kenyans for Kenyans we need equal opportunities for all , those who have been involved in ICT sensitization activities mashinani appreciate what google is doing. Localization is key to bridging the digital divide.
My two Cassavas :-)
On 8/10/11, moses njuguna <moses.w.n@gmail.com> wrote:
ATT to Google kenya techies, Can you Kindly take google default back to English..This business of figuring out what "Wavuti", "Mpangilio wa zana" , "iliyo kwa kache" MEANS is Driving us NUTS..Or better still take the Default to the local slang/sheng, otherwise 90% of kenyans dont understand Kiswahili Sanifu..
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Moses, My final submission is that even the local dialects have their own slang, google is a global brand, there is need to use the standard language to cater for everyone, people out there pay through their noses to learn Swahili while we take it for granted, there are Kenyans in diaspora who might not be in a position to keep up to date with the bonokos, bundes and mosetis that is why there is need for standard swahili which is a great language, I bought my laptop in Europe and when configuring it I indicated I was from Kenya and the default language went to Kiswahili, nilifurahi ndani ya roho, me thinks a lot of R and D goes on before google can pull such a move that's why there is an option to switch to English which is not popular with those who church out the sheng and slangs. If you have ever been refeered to as babi then you know what I am saying. On 8/10/11, moses njuguna <moses.w.n@gmail.com> wrote:
Pure Swahili is NOT our local dialect..So it beats sense Why they Should put it as Default..Let English be Default and for those who need swahili can Change to it as was before..Am not being un- patriotic, It's Just such a bore to keep switching back to English..and Yes, even a sheng link..My grandmother Knows the meaning of "Chapaa" and "Bonoko" but has no idea what the Hell Ramani or wavuti means..
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
90 percent of Kenyans? I beg to differ maybe Nairobians, let google be, why is Kiswahili recognised by our constitution as a national language, better still how will the rest of the country close to fifteen million benefit? This is the reason we are talking about Kenyans for Kenyans we need equal opportunities for all , those who have been involved in ICT sensitization activities mashinani appreciate what google is doing. Localization is key to bridging the digital divide.
My two Cassavas :-)
On 8/10/11, moses njuguna <moses.w.n@gmail.com> wrote:
ATT to Google kenya techies, Can you Kindly take google default back to English..This business of figuring out what "Wavuti", "Mpangilio wa zana" , "iliyo kwa kache" MEANS is Driving us NUTS..Or better still take the Default to the local slang/sheng, otherwise 90% of kenyans dont understand Kiswahili Sanifu..
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I think it a good opportunity to learn. The best place to learn French is France, Swahili, Tanzania or Google Kenya. Am sticking to my default, maybe I will be able to figure out what 'ikoni' means. P.S I understand even TZ speak their own slang Swahili regards
I think google has done excellent contribution. my two cents,if swahili is a bother to anyone...there is an option for english. On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 12:34, Derrick Wesonga <wesongaderrick@gmail.com>wrote:
I think it a good opportunity to learn. The best place to learn French is France, Swahili, Tanzania or Google Kenya. Am sticking to my default, maybe I will be able to figure out what 'ikoni' means.
P.S I understand even TZ speak their own slang Swahili regards
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what about a sheng version :) -- Josiah Mugambi On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Felakut Theo <egmasp@yahoo.com> wrote:
I think google has done excellent contribution. my two cents,if swahili is a bother to anyone...there is an option for english.
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 12:34, Derrick Wesonga <wesongaderrick@gmail.com>wrote:
I think it a good opportunity to learn. The best place to learn French is France, Swahili, Tanzania or Google Kenya. Am sticking to my default, maybe I will be able to figure out what 'ikoni' means.
P.S I understand even TZ speak their own slang Swahili regards
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Oh my, I think I am gwowing old...what is bonokos, bundes and mosetis? On 8/10/11, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Moses, My final submission is that even the local dialects have their own slang, google is a global brand, there is need to use the standard language to cater for everyone, people out there pay through their noses to learn Swahili while we take it for granted, there are Kenyans in diaspora who might not be in a position to keep up to date with the bonokos, bundes and mosetis that is why there is need for standard swahili which is a great language, I bought my laptop in Europe and when configuring it I indicated I was from Kenya and the default language went to Kiswahili, nilifurahi ndani ya roho, me thinks a lot of R and D goes on before google can pull such a move that's why there is an option to switch to English which is not popular with those who church out the sheng and slangs. If you have ever been refeered to as babi then you know what I am saying.
On 8/10/11, moses njuguna <moses.w.n@gmail.com> wrote:
Pure Swahili is NOT our local dialect..So it beats sense Why they Should put it as Default..Let English be Default and for those who need swahili can Change to it as was before..Am not being un- patriotic, It's Just such a bore to keep switching back to English..and Yes, even a sheng link..My grandmother Knows the meaning of "Chapaa" and "Bonoko" but has no idea what the Hell Ramani or wavuti means..
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
90 percent of Kenyans? I beg to differ maybe Nairobians, let google be, why is Kiswahili recognised by our constitution as a national language, better still how will the rest of the country close to fifteen million benefit? This is the reason we are talking about Kenyans for Kenyans we need equal opportunities for all , those who have been involved in ICT sensitization activities mashinani appreciate what google is doing. Localization is key to bridging the digital divide.
My two Cassavas :-)
On 8/10/11, moses njuguna <moses.w.n@gmail.com> wrote:
ATT to Google kenya techies, Can you Kindly take google default back to English..This business of figuring out what "Wavuti", "Mpangilio wa zana" , "iliyo kwa kache" MEANS is Driving us NUTS..Or better still take the Default to the local slang/sheng, otherwise 90% of kenyans dont understand Kiswahili Sanifu..
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Again - discussions missing the point! Its not that anyone hates Kiswahili, very nice language indeed if we could only speak it, but why make swahili the default language for .co.ke? Even before, it existed and you had to choose it if you wanted to, but what actually made them change this? Nothing, completely nothing to do with Swahili being good or bad, and certainly no one said kisitukuzwe *if there's sth like that* ./Ok3ch 2011/8/10 James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com>:
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I agree with @./Ok3ch I think someone had also raised the following scenario a few days ago: imagine a tourist who has just arrived and wants to use google, they will immediately be faced with a language they cannot understand, all their search results will be in kiswahili... So I think Google should put a "Change language" link somewhere... And then another thing, Kiswahili is also spoken differently all over Kenya, very few speak kiswahili sanifu... I think most of you remember the viral "Marijuana, makapendana, makaoana" which is still kiswahili with a kikuyu touch. On 8/10/11, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Again - discussions missing the point! Its not that anyone hates Kiswahili, very nice language indeed if we could only speak it, but why make swahili the default language for .co.ke? Even before, it existed and you had to choose it if you wanted to, but what actually made them change this? Nothing, completely nothing to do with Swahili being good or bad, and certainly no one said kisitukuzwe *if there's sth like that*
./Ok3ch
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@okechukwu, whats the default language you would expect for instance google.cn to be in? and even going by the official and national languages, both English and Swahili are recognized as the official languages of Kenya. Which means we are bound to accept it if it comes from either direction, none is more preferrable based purely on that context. On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Timothy Mutugi <timothymutugi@gmail.com>wrote:
I agree with @./Ok3ch
I think someone had also raised the following scenario a few days ago: imagine a tourist who has just arrived and wants to use google, they will immediately be faced with a language they cannot understand, all their search results will be in kiswahili...
So I think Google should put a "Change language" link somewhere...
And then another thing, Kiswahili is also spoken differently all over Kenya, very few speak kiswahili sanifu...
I think most of you remember the viral "Marijuana, makapendana, makaoana" which is still kiswahili with a kikuyu touch.
On 8/10/11, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Again - discussions missing the point! Its not that anyone hates Kiswahili, very nice language indeed if we could only speak it, but why make swahili the default language for .co.ke? Even before, it existed and you had to choose it if you wanted to, but what actually made them change this? Nothing, completely nothing to do with Swahili being good or bad, and certainly no one said kisitukuzwe *if there's sth like that*
./Ok3ch
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@Timothy Mutugi, You seem to think tourists are very retarded beings coz they will fail to detect the presence of the English link below the searchbox as shown below no? [image: Untitled.png] * *
@Barrack - Missing the point was for this group to discuss whether Kiswahili is superior and we should speak it or not, as opposed to the issue of Swahili as default on .co.ke ./Ok3ch On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:48 PM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
@Timothy Mutugi, You seem to think tourists are very retarded beings coz they will fail to detect the presence of the English link below the searchbox as shown below no? [image: Untitled.png] * *
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Yes, Tourists from France, Germany, Austria, China, etc will surely find the Google in English link quite helpful.
And instead of complaining about it you should be taking this chance to expand the vocab of this language that is native to your motherland!
Oh, i understand Ok3, clearly i missed your point, it is a healthy debate though we need more languages online so as a lister says there in lies an opportunity, i am sure google is open to collaborations, see how christianity permeated the rural areas through localised bibles, i think it is a great strategy. On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:53 PM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
And instead of complaining about it you should be taking this chance to expand the vocab of this language that is native to your motherland!
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Just wait a minute guys, are we assuming that a modern day user of google would be lost because of the handfold of phrases in swahili? i mean isnt google all about typing in the text box and clicking on enter? and navigating all about clicking on the O-s in Goooooooooogle..... On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:53 PM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
And instead of complaining about it you should be taking this chance to expand the vocab of this language that is native to your motherland!
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@ Brainiac, i think the problem is user friendliness according to the O.B, the complainant raised an issue that the language in question (swahili) was too difficult so we are looking at the pros and cons of having swahili as the default language of google.co.ke, but a lister has pointed out that it is easy to switch to english, which solves the problem. Charges dropped!! On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:57 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
Just wait a minute guys, are we assuming that a modern day user of google would be lost because of the handfold of phrases in swahili? i mean isnt google all about typing in the text box and clicking on enter? and navigating all about clicking on the O-s in Goooooooooogle.....
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:53 PM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
And instead of complaining about it you should be taking this chance to expand the vocab of this language that is native to your motherland!
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Listers, Sheng is not a language. For something to be called a language, it must have some rules & regulations (aesthtics) that govern it and beauty (cognitive values) that make it unique. Sheng changes every day; Kiswahili doesn't. The same structure I learnt in high school, is want I use even today, only that in today's Kiswahili, new terms such as 'Ruwaza' (Vision), 'Tuvuti' (Website) etc, have been added to the language. Therefore, I fully support this step by google. I'm imagining if google decided to have all local languages as part of its .ke, what would we say? Back to google.co.ke, I see no problem at all. It's an opportunity for local software developers and the likes to expand. Reason, in 1999, there were at least 20 dialects of Kiswahili from the Gulf of Aden (in Somalia) all through to the Mozamican coastline. There, we are not talking of the interior, and this can be related to that Cooperative Bank advert, which talks of a good business wo(man), and how (s)he can seize an opportunity. In this debate, based on the ad, I can deduce a good business person from a bad one! Finally, for those who can well remember, Shabaan bin Roberts, is one person who never misses when it comes Kiswahili debates. He aptly says, in one of his pieces: 'Titi la Mama litamu lingawa la mbwa, Lingine haliishi tamu. Watu wasio na lugha asili Kadiri walivyo wastaarabu, Cheo chao ni cha pili dunia - dunia ya cheo" On 10/08/2011, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
@ Brainiac, i think the problem is user friendliness according to the O.B, the complainant raised an issue that the language in question (swahili) was too difficult so we are looking at the pros and cons of having swahili as the default language of google.co.ke, but a lister has pointed out that it is easy to switch to english, which solves the problem. Charges dropped!!
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:57 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
Just wait a minute guys, are we assuming that a modern day user of google would be lost because of the handfold of phrases in swahili? i mean isnt google all about typing in the text box and clicking on enter? and navigating all about clicking on the O-s in Goooooooooogle.....
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:53 PM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
And instead of complaining about it you should be taking this chance to expand the vocab of this language that is native to your motherland!
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I couldnt let this pass :-) .. beautiful ! Perhaps it reinforces the fact that ingenuity and creative wit are to be found everywhere and among all peoples - not just in Shakespeare's and Charles Dicken's writings. Thanks Google!
Another one missing the point? This is like getting to an exam and formulating your own questions and expecting to get 100% - funny! ./Ok3ch On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:53 PM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
And instead of complaining about it you should be taking this chance to expand the vocab of this language that is native to your motherland!
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Oh, sorry I had not seen that... ...I support .co.ke... Timo. On 8/10/11, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
@Timothy Mutugi, You seem to think tourists are very retarded beings coz they will fail to detect the presence of the English link below the searchbox as shown below no? [image: Untitled.png] * *
@Brainiac - True and I have an issue with that too. An example, I did spend a good time of my working life once in Germany and all I got was google.dewhich defaults to German, and I never even clicked a single advert - not much of a lost revenue, but lost opportunity for me too, dont you think? All am saying, have swahili in .co.ke, have German in .de, have any language in country specific URL, but don't redirect me when I make a request to .com and takes me to the country level specific. And why cant you just make the google.com/ncr to be default? ./Ok3ch On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:44 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
@okechukwu, whats the default language you would expect for instance google.cn to be in? and even going by the official and national languages, both English and Swahili are recognized as the official languages of Kenya. Which means we are bound to accept it if it comes from either direction, none is more preferrable based purely on that context.
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Timothy Mutugi <timothymutugi@gmail.com>wrote:
I agree with @./Ok3ch
I think someone had also raised the following scenario a few days ago: imagine a tourist who has just arrived and wants to use google, they will immediately be faced with a language they cannot understand, all their search results will be in kiswahili...
So I think Google should put a "Change language" link somewhere...
And then another thing, Kiswahili is also spoken differently all over Kenya, very few speak kiswahili sanifu...
I think most of you remember the viral "Marijuana, makapendana, makaoana" which is still kiswahili with a kikuyu touch.
On 8/10/11, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Again - discussions missing the point! Its not that anyone hates Kiswahili, very nice language indeed if we could only speak it, but why make swahili the default language for .co.ke? Even before, it existed and you had to choose it if you wanted to, but what actually made them change this? Nothing, completely nothing to do with Swahili being good or bad, and certainly no one said kisitukuzwe *if there's sth like that*
./Ok3ch
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I hope one Bwana Mucheru and his ilk are keenly following this discussion, cause this particular one seems to have been a top - down decision. On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Brainiac - True and I have an issue with that too. An example, I did spend a good time of my working life once in Germany and all I got was google.dewhich defaults to German, and I never even clicked a single advert - not much of a lost revenue, but lost opportunity for me too, dont you think?
All am saying, have swahili in .co.ke, have German in .de, have any language in country specific URL, but don't redirect me when I make a request to .com and takes me to the country level specific. And why cant you just make the google.com/ncr to be default?
./Ok3ch
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:44 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
@okechukwu, whats the default language you would expect for instance google.cn to be in? and even going by the official and national languages, both English and Swahili are recognized as the official languages of Kenya. Which means we are bound to accept it if it comes from either direction, none is more preferrable based purely on that context.
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Timothy Mutugi <timothymutugi@gmail.com>wrote:
I agree with @./Ok3ch
I think someone had also raised the following scenario a few days ago: imagine a tourist who has just arrived and wants to use google, they will immediately be faced with a language they cannot understand, all their search results will be in kiswahili...
So I think Google should put a "Change language" link somewhere...
And then another thing, Kiswahili is also spoken differently all over Kenya, very few speak kiswahili sanifu...
I think most of you remember the viral "Marijuana, makapendana, makaoana" which is still kiswahili with a kikuyu touch.
On 8/10/11, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Again - discussions missing the point! Its not that anyone hates Kiswahili, very nice language indeed if we could only speak it, but why make swahili the default language for .co.ke? Even before, it existed and you had to choose it if you wanted to, but what actually made them change this? Nothing, completely nothing to do with Swahili being good or bad, and certainly no one said kisitukuzwe *if there's sth like that*
./Ok3ch
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*@Brainiac* Good point this -> "isnt google all about typing in the text box and clicking on enter?" *@Anti swa *Did any of you ever consider that the decision to shift Google ke to swa might have been based on research and not your personal opinions? _______________________________________________ *#define TRUE FALSE* //Happy debugging suckers! _______________________________________________ * * 2011/8/10 [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>
I hope one Bwana Mucheru and his ilk are keenly following this discussion, cause this particular one seems to have been a top - down decision.
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Brainiac - True and I have an issue with that too. An example, I did spend a good time of my working life once in Germany and all I got was google.de which defaults to German, and I never even clicked a single advert - not much of a lost revenue, but lost opportunity for me too, dont you think?
All am saying, have swahili in .co.ke, have German in .de, have any language in country specific URL, but don't redirect me when I make a request to .com and takes me to the country level specific. And why cant you just make the google.com/ncr to be default?
./Ok3ch
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:44 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
@okechukwu, whats the default language you would expect for instance google.cn to be in? and even going by the official and national languages, both English and Swahili are recognized as the official languages of Kenya. Which means we are bound to accept it if it comes from either direction, none is more preferrable based purely on that context.
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Timothy Mutugi <timothymutugi@gmail.com
wrote:
I agree with @./Ok3ch
I think someone had also raised the following scenario a few days ago: imagine a tourist who has just arrived and wants to use google, they will immediately be faced with a language they cannot understand, all their search results will be in kiswahili...
So I think Google should put a "Change language" link somewhere...
And then another thing, Kiswahili is also spoken differently all over Kenya, very few speak kiswahili sanifu...
I think most of you remember the viral "Marijuana, makapendana, makaoana" which is still kiswahili with a kikuyu touch.
On 8/10/11, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Again - discussions missing the point! Its not that anyone hates Kiswahili, very nice language indeed if we could only speak it, but why make swahili the default language for .co.ke? Even before, it existed and you had to choose it if you wanted to, but what actually made them change this? Nothing, completely nothing to do with Swahili being good or bad, and certainly no one said kisitukuzwe *if there's sth like that*
./Ok3ch
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Ok3ch, Its not about missing the point its about a level playing field, i dont think google just woke up and decided to make Kiswahili the default language, it is our second official language as mentioned in an earlier post we take certain small issues for granted that is why for a long time the people in Samburu and Isiolo areas would refer to Nairobi as Kenya,most of us are 8.4.4 alumni yet we are pretending hatujui kiswahili, its just a wrong attitude, this is why we have problems getting local content because if its not English it does not exist. To answer the question of bonokos and bundes, they are rudimentary tools introduced by Europeans that can inflict grievous harm to living beings, i cant mention the term directly lest i contravene provisions of the new constituion, Moseti is a part of the human anatomy, the term is common in matatus (ever been told kaa square), that is why we need a standardised language other than English but not sheng or slang. I apologise in advance if i broke some rules of etiquette. Verdict, i support google.co.ke On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Again - discussions missing the point! Its not that anyone hates Kiswahili, very nice language indeed if we could only speak it, but why make swahili the default language for .co.ke? Even before, it existed and you had to choose it if you wanted to, but what actually made them change this? Nothing, completely nothing to do with Swahili being good or bad, and certainly no one said kisitukuzwe *if there's sth like that*
./Ok3ch
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@moses.its not only in kenya that is happening that way anyway just use www.google.com/ncr and you should be ok
90 percent of Kenyans? I beg to differ maybe Nairobians, let google be, why is Kiswahili recognised by our constitution as a national language, better still how will the rest of the country close to fifteen million benefit? This is the reason we are talking about Kenyans for Kenyans we need equal opportunities for all , those who have been involved in ICT sensitization activities mashinani appreciate what google is doing. Localization is key to bridging the digital divide.
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ATT to Google kenya techies, Can you Kindly take google default back to English..This business of figuring out what "Wavuti", "Mpangilio wa zana" , "iliyo kwa kache" MEANS is Driving us NUTS..Or better still take the Default to the local slang/sheng, otherwise 90% of kenyans dont understand Kiswahili Sanifu..
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Its good we promote our local language swahili.in a matter of days you will get to know the meaning and will have no problem understanding.Promoting local content. On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 8:07 AM, moses njuguna <moses.w.n@gmail.com> wrote:
ATT to Google kenya techies, Can you Kindly take google default back to English..This business of figuring out what "Wavuti", "Mpangilio wa zana" , "iliyo kwa kache" MEANS is Driving us NUTS..Or better still take the Default to the local slang/sheng, otherwise 90% of kenyans dont understand Kiswahili Sanifu..
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On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 8:07 AM, moses njuguna <moses.w.n@gmail.com> wrote:
ATT to Google kenya techies, Can you Kindly take google default back to English..This business of figuring out what "Wavuti", "Mpangilio wa zana" , "iliyo kwa kache" MEANS is Driving us NUTS..Or better still take the Default to the local slang/sheng, otherwise 90% of kenyans dont understand Kiswahili Sanifu..
Shouldn't they instead be detecting your preferred language setting from your browser?
Preferred language settings are hardly touched by users, so they might not reflect the user's true preferences
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 3:06 PM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
Preferred language settings are hardly touched by users, so they might not reflect the user's true preferences
This sounds like an excuse. Content negotiation isn't anything special. It's even part of the HTTP spec. Look at how the good people at Debian do it: <http://www.debian.org/intro/cn
.
But hey, this is Google. They know what we all want.
*@Joseph* come on ...how many people tinker with language settings? Forget even that, how many are even remotely aware that their browser allows for those kind of settings? To the avarage surfer, content_negotiation is nothing but technical jargon tech savvy users. And whats the ratio of tech savvy to the non savvy? Now lemme ask, how many times have you tinkered with your language preferences?
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 3:35 PM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
* * ...
Now lemme ask, how many times have you tinkered with your language preferences?
Most people (myself included) choose their preferred/default languages when they install the software. But if you had to use a computer with a different preference (for example if you were using a shared computer in a foreign country), then you might have to change it.
I Guess I lost some of you here.. My Original Post was a Request For Google.co.ke to be in English which is more workable and appropriate rather than "Kiswahili sanifu" which is Difficult and Not Readly understood by more than 90% of Kenyans...These Language Supremacy Battles are am seeing are Totally Uncalled For...Localization should also bear in Mind What is On the Ground..English is A very Local Language in Kenya..All of you Have Gone through an English based Education Curriculum For 16yrs or More.. On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Joseph Wayodi <jwayodi@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 3:35 PM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
* * ...
Now lemme ask, how many times have you tinkered with your language preferences?
Most people (myself included) choose their preferred/default languages when they install the software. But if you had to use a computer with a different preference (for example if you were using a shared computer in a foreign country), then you might have to change it.
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Moses, Kiswahili was also mandatory and still is unless you did not go through 8.4.4, nonetheless these are not language Supremacy battles but user opinions ultimately google will decide, i still strongly disagree with the way you have used the 90% statistics which has resulted in this lengthy discussion, we should not reverse the gains that have been achieved in making this country and the region by extension digitally compliant. On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 4:27 PM, moses njuguna <moses.w.n@gmail.com> wrote:
I Guess I lost some of you here.. My Original Post was a Request For Google.co.ke to be in English which is more workable and appropriate rather than "Kiswahili sanifu" which is Difficult and Not Readly understood by more than 90% of Kenyans...These Language Supremacy Battles are am seeing are Totally Uncalled For...Localization should also bear in Mind What is On the Ground..English is A very Local Language in Kenya..All of you Have Gone through an English based Education Curriculum For 16yrs or More..
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Joseph Wayodi <jwayodi@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 3:35 PM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
* * ...
Now lemme ask, how many times have you tinkered with your language preferences?
Most people (myself included) choose their preferred/default languages when they install the software. But if you had to use a computer with a different preference (for example if you were using a shared computer in a foreign country), then you might have to change it.
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Anyway, Moses if you prefer Google in English just work with it like a tourist would do and click the appropriate link. If that's not enough for you, write an email to Google citing your issue (good luck with that). Otherwise do not pretend that Swahili Sanifu is too difficult for you (and the fake 90% statistic which even Uganda doesn't reflect)*.* * * *It doesn't take alot of brain power to determine the meanings of "Wavuti", "Mpangilio wa zana" & "iliyo kwa kache"* It also doesn't take alot of and store their meanings in memory for future reference.
+10 to tht.. On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 7:06 PM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
Anyway, Moses if you prefer Google in English just work with it like a tourist would do and click the appropriate link. If that's not enough for you, write an email to Google citing your issue (good luck with that). Otherwise do not pretend that Swahili Sanifu is too difficult for you (and the fake 90% statistic which even Uganda doesn't reflect). It doesn't take alot of brain power to determine the meanings of "Wavuti", "Mpangilio wa zana" & "iliyo kwa kache" It also doesn't take alot of and store their meanings in memory for future reference.
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Funny discussion this one. The only people opposing their national language (which ought to be the preffered one if only for the sake of pride) are the citizens themselves. It is dirt simple to change your language to English if you so wish and I think google are doing a commendable job and should not budge and leave it as it is. Regards, Mark Mwangi On Aug 10, 2011 7:10 PM, "maina" <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
+10 to tht..
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I think Google should introduce facial and voice recognition in their google thing... 1. If the google search camera sees that you have slanted eyes, it should go to .cn (china) 2. If you are speaking-o like-o you are from naija-o it should take you to Nigeria site 3. If you ... anyway you get the idea... Timo. On 8/10/11, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
Preferred language settings are hardly touched by users, so they might not reflect the user's true preferences
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[ Brainiac ] -
Antony Gikabia -
Barrack Otieno -
Dennis Kioko -
Derrick Wesonga -
Felakut Theo -
James Nzomo -
Joseph Wayodi -
Josiah Mugambi -
justus -
maina -
Mark Mwangi -
moses njuguna -
Ndungi Kyalo -
Okechukwu -
Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau -
Steve Obbayi -
Timothy Mutugi