The way I understood it. . The more unused or underutilised the specific cell you are in, the cheaper it is for you to call . . So those isolated spots in the country will call for the lowest prices . . Thus people will call at 'offpeak' times and encourage those in rural areas to call more so as to use the network which would lie idle anyway. . On 9/15/09, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:

Left me a bit confused myself, but im thinkin its a tarrif that charges depending on the number of hops to the recipient's base station, so that a local loop costs you less than calling a far away price. Maybe michael (copied) would care to expound. Being a technical audience, on the nitty gritty.

On 9/15/09, Kevin Ouma <kevin.ouma@gmail.com> wrote:

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Anyone with leakage on what the super ongea tarriff will be ? Could it be 6shs and 55 cents

Anways lets wait for the big announcement on TV at 6.55 pm

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Looks like Mark is right.. Its now telling me I can call at 80cts... extremely cheap, but the number of people I can call at 5:30 in the morning is pretty limited..lol -Alex On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Job Muriuki <muriukin@gmail.com> wrote:

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Very true......... On 9/16/09, Daniel Ndeti <dantoz@gmail.com> wrote:

As usual post paid guys are not considered yet they give safaricom a good margin!!

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 05:29, Alex Wanjohi <wanjohialex@gmail.com> wrote:

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Looks like Mark is right.. Its now telling me I can call at 80cts... extremely cheap, but the number of people I can call at 5:30 in the morning is pretty limited..lol

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The product is innovative.....but postpay subs are yet again kicked to the curb! ./bernard On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Jacob Ayienda <jacobayienda@gmail.com>wrote:

not new... looks like they had been doing the pilot in machakos with the tag line "Bei Ya Masaku" that ended last month. the calling rates vary throughout the day.

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I also here they had a similar project in jkuat. . . Pretty brilliant if u ask me. . . On 9/16/09, Jacob Ayienda <jacobayienda@gmail.com> wrote:

not new... looks like they had been doing the pilot in machakos with the tag line "Bei Ya Masaku" that ended last month. the calling rates vary throughout the day.

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Looks very similar to MTN Zone, launched in Uganda about a year ago. Huge success for MTN when so many mobile users decided to switch to MTN or they bought an extra SIM for all the MTN to MTN calls. Just after a few weeks, they decided to turn the promotional offer into a permanent one. The same will probably happen in Kenya. See http://www.mtn.co.ug/News-Room/Current-News/MTNZone-Calls-to-cost-1-=.aspxfo... background. /Johan On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:

I also here they had a similar project in jkuat. . . Pretty brilliant if u ask me. . .

On 9/16/09, Jacob Ayienda <jacobayienda@gmail.com> wrote:

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not new... looks like they had been doing the pilot in machakos with the tag line "Bei Ya Masaku" that ended last month. the calling rates vary throughout the day.

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"Get great discounts on the New PostPay tariff promotion.Calling rates range from 5/- after 8pm and 1/- from 12am-6am"Guilty conscious? How exactly is this a good thing? Postpay users are mostly business people who need to do most of their communication between 8 and 6pm. -Billy

i think The african market is not suitable for postpay. there are just too many prepaid customers that telcos offer post pay as a convinience after though On 16/09/2009, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com>wrote:

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"Get great discounts on the New PostPay tariff promotion.Calling rates range from 5/- after 8pm and 1/- from 12am-6am"Guilty conscious?

What makes Safaricom think that we get Postpay so as not to sleep? Unless there is a very good reason, I do believe naturally people are asleep between 12am --> 6am unless they do night shifts, no? I see nothing attractive with this Postpay promotion.

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2009/9/16 Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com>

i think The african market is not suitable for postpay. there are just too many prepaid customers that telcos offer post pay as a convinience after though

I disagree - I dont think it has anything to do with the "African Market". The reason there are many prepaid customers is because postpay really has nothing to offer that would attract prepaying customers to the other side. I think it's more of a chicken and egg scenario. So should safcom offer a better deal first to attract the prepaying customers or should they wait for enough people to join the postpay bandwagon to warrant their offering better deals? -Billy

I think for postpaid to work and get value for such service we need to rethink how to punish defaulters of a contract. Both the parties, the customer and service provider. In developed countries you don't default on a contract and walk away. If we have consequences then providers will have a reason to give real offers on the prepay. And whats with telcos with promoting on net traffic, they should have quality services to lure customers to their side not on the pricing alone. What happened to number portability.

I think for postpaid to work and get value for such service we need to rethink how to punish defaulters of a contract. Both the parties, the customer and service provider. In developed countries you don't default on a contract and walk away. If we have consequences then providers will have a reason to give real offers on the prepay. And whats with telcos with promoting on net traffic, they should have quality services to lure customers to their side not on the pricing alone. What happened to number portability.

Apart from phone contracts - such as the discounted iPhone etc, we pay a deposit equal to the maximum limit, both on Zain and Safaricom, so for me it's a zero sum game, they almost always have my money. When my usage hit's my deposit, I'm automatically disconnected. Worst case scenario for them is me not paying and them reimbursing themselves with the deposit. Additionally, I don't understand why we are not at least 10-15% cheaper as they don't have to go through a channel. When I pay 1000, it all goes to Safaricom. When you buy the equivalent scratch card, some goes to the shop keeper, more to the distributore etc. And you don't have a fixed monthly fee (252, Safaricom, 350 Zain). Basically you get a raw deal. -- With Regards, Phares Kariuki | T: +254 734 810 802 | E: pkariuki@gmail.com | Twitter: kaboro | Skype: kariukiphares |

How many Kenyans are able to afford post pay. i think that is where the point is. Most users dont have guaranteed permanent income On 16/09/2009, Kevin Ouma <kevin.ouma@gmail.com> wrote:

This is an excerpt from an online article .. PostPay subscribers have also started enjoying huge discounts, especially during off-peak hours. All Safaricom PostPay subscribers, individual and corporate, have been automatically migrated to a new discounted tariff, which offers on-net call discounts of up to 85%, off the previous rate of KES7 per minute. They will now be able to call at a low of Ksh1 a minute between midnight and 6am and KES5 between 8pm and midnight. Calls between 6am to 8pm will be charged at KES7 per minute.

What a joke...

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:

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I think for postpaid to work and get value for such service we need to

...

rethink how to punish defaulters of a contract. Both the parties, the customer and service provider. In developed countries you don't default on a contract and walk away. If we have consequences then providers will have a reason to give real offers on the prepay. And whats with telcos with promoting on net traffic, they should have quality services to lure customers to their side not on the pricing alone. What happened to number portability.

Apart from phone contracts - such as the discounted iPhone etc, we pay a deposit equal to the maximum limit, both on Zain and Safaricom, so for me it's a zero sum game, they almost always have my money. When my usage hit's my deposit, I'm automatically disconnected. Worst case scenario for them is me not paying and them reimbursing themselves with the deposit. Additionally, I don't understand why we are not at least 10-15% cheaper as they don't have to go through a channel. When I pay 1000, it all goes to Safaricom. When you buy the equivalent scratch card, some goes to the shop keeper, more to the distributore etc. And you don't have a fixed monthly fee (252, Safaricom, 350 Zain). Basically you get a raw deal.

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How many Kenyans are able to afford post pay. i think that is where the point is. Most users dont have guaranteed permanent income If one was to go by this reasoning, no one would be paying rent/power/water. It was easier to be on prepaid back in the day, so it became the norm. Additionally, prepaid is a particular pain in the backside, as you cannot call (most of the time) towards the end of the month. I noticed that flashbacks typically increase around this time...

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But at least it won't go beyond Ksh 8 (the old rate on Ongea). -----Original Message----- From: Job Muriuki <muriukin@gmail.com> Reply-to: Skunkworks forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> To: Skunkworks forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: [Skunkworks] Super Ongea Tariff Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:11:54 +0300 Why do i have the feeling this tariff is out to make more from users. If you check the rate right now and its say 2sh. There is no guarantee if you call 2 seconds later that will be the rate you will be charge at so you may end up talking more only to find the rate changed. On 9/16/09, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:

Or even the documents required to apply for post pay such as PIN certificate - despite it being free to acquire - or utility bill as it's either in the house owner's name or another individuals name. Then there is that deposit!

On 16/09/2009, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:

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How many Kenyans are able to afford post pay. i think that is where the point is. Most users dont have guaranteed permanent income

On 16/09/2009, Kevin Ouma <kevin.ouma@gmail.com> wrote:

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This is an excerpt from an online article .. PostPay subscribers have also started enjoying huge discounts, especially during off-peak hours. All Safaricom PostPay subscribers, individual and corporate, have been automatically migrated to a new discounted tariff, which offers on-net call discounts of up to 85%, off the previous rate of KES7 per minute. They will now be able to call at a low of Ksh1 a minute between midnight and 6am and KES5 between 8pm and midnight. Calls between 6am to 8pm will be charged at KES7 per minute.

What a joke...

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:

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I think for postpaid to work and get value for such service we need to

...

rethink how to punish defaulters of a contract. Both the parties, the customer and service provider. In developed countries you don't default on a contract and walk away. If we have consequences then providers will have a reason to give real offers on the prepay. And whats with telcos with promoting on net traffic, they should have quality services to lure customers to their side not on the pricing alone. What happened to number portability.

Apart from phone contracts - such as the discounted iPhone etc, we pay a deposit equal to the maximum limit, both on Zain and Safaricom, so for me it's a zero sum game, they almost always have my money. When my usage hit's my deposit, I'm automatically disconnected. Worst case scenario for them is me not paying and them reimbursing themselves with the deposit. Additionally, I don't understand why we are not at least 10-15% cheaper as they don't have to go through a channel. When I pay 1000, it all goes to Safaricom. When you buy the equivalent scratch card, some goes to the shop keeper, more to the distributore etc. And you don't have a fixed monthly fee (252, Safaricom, 350 Zain). Basically you get a raw deal.

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after reading that economic article in some thread, i think the missing factor for post pay to work are credit cards. On 17/09/2009, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:

I think this is a good thing all in all.....

On 9/17/09, Alex Nderitu <nderitualex@gmail.com> wrote:

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But at least it won't go beyond Ksh 8 (the old rate on Ongea).

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*Subject*: [Skunkworks] Super Ongea Tariff *Date*: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:11:54 +0300

Why do i have the feeling this tariff is out to make more from users. If you check the rate right now and its say 2sh. There is no guarantee if you call 2 seconds later that will be the rate you will be charge at so you may end up talking more only to find the rate changed.

On 9/16/09, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:

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Or even the documents required to apply for post pay such as PIN certificate - despite it being free to acquire - or utility bill as it's either in the house owner's name or another individuals name. Then there is that deposit!

On 16/09/2009, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:

...

How many Kenyans are able to afford post pay. i think that is where the point is. Most users dont have guaranteed permanent income

On 16/09/2009, Kevin Ouma <kevin.ouma@gmail.com> wrote:

...

This is an excerpt from an online article .. PostPay subscribers have also started enjoying huge discounts, especially during off-peak hours. All Safaricom PostPay subscribers, individual and corporate, have been automatically migrated to a new discounted tariff, which offers on-net call discounts of up to 85%, off the previous rate of KES7 per minute. They will now be able to call at a low of Ksh1 a minute between midnight and 6am and KES5 between 8pm and midnight. Calls between 6am to 8pm will be charged at KES7 per minute.

What a joke...

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:

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I think for postpaid to work and get value for such service we need to > rethink how to punish defaulters of a contract. Both the parties, > the > customer and service provider. In developed countries you don't > default > on a > contract and walk away. If we have consequences then providers will > have > a > reason to give real offers on the prepay. And whats with telcos with > promoting on net traffic, they should have quality services to lure > customers to their side not on the pricing alone. What happened to > number > portability.

Apart from phone contracts - such as the discounted iPhone etc, we pay a deposit equal to the maximum limit, both on Zain and Safaricom, so for me it's a zero sum game, they almost always have my money. When my usage hit's my deposit, I'm automatically disconnected. Worst case scenario for them is me not paying and them reimbursing themselves with the deposit. Additionally, I don't understand why we are not at least 10-15% cheaper as they don't have to go through a channel. When I pay 1000, it all goes to Safaricom. When you buy the equivalent scratch card, some goes to the shop keeper, more to the distributore etc. And you don't have a fixed monthly fee (252, Safaricom, 350 Zain). Basically you get a raw deal.

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Hi.. Orange,Zain and YU guys hope u c this.. I hope they come up with something the will render this effort useless... I use orange/zain to make calls,Yu/zain to do data..and the other one to receive call and i dont regret.. regards, henry On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>wrote:

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:

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i think The african market is not suitable for postpay. there are just too many prepaid customers that telcos offer post pay as a convinience after though

*Mobile users now make up more than 90% of all telephone subscribers across Africa, a higher percentage than on any other continent.

*Despite the global downturn, Latin America’s mobile market will probably continue to grow in 2009 albeit at a slower rate. Once the economy recovers, mobile telephony may regain momentum for a couple of years and then gradually slacken as countries reach mobile market saturation.

*Average mobile penetration across Europe reached about 125% by the beginning of 2009 while sustaining subscriber growth of about 8%. Mobile use is so ingrained among consumers that by early 2009 about a quarter of households across the EU27 had ceased using ordinary fixed-line connections in favour of mobile phones and voice over IP services.

< http://www.budde.com.au/Research/Global-Mobile-Communications-Statistics-Tre...

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I think the approach to postpaid in Kenya is weak. the model for phone usage in Kenya is this- buy your own phone, buy a sim card, scratch an talk. Most likely due to history where prepaid has offered simplicity but of course now registration is now mandatory but without the contractual obligations of postpaid. For postpaid to work effectively there has to be an effective credit rating sytem, which is not yet in place and cases abound of people failing to meet their obligations. So first and foremost the right laws and systems have to be in place for it to be an effective model. In many other countries where postpaid, usually referred to as contract with various plans the model is quite different, For example in South Africa you get many contract plans where for a monthly fee you get a new top of the range phone with minutes, SMS and data all tied in. Plus the marketing for those plans is very agressive, buying a phone for pay as you go costs so much more that the cheapest option is to go for a 24 month contract. of course you need effective debt collection for this to work. Whether that can work in Kenya is yet to be seen... An interesting Idea- Wonder what happened to it is the jipange plans from the then celtel where you pay a monthly fee and once you exceed start scratching- any guys know what happened to this? another case of the poor marketing record of that company, They really need to learn how to create buzz, an art which has been mastered by Safaricom. Sometimes I wonder how things would have been if MTN had croken into the Kenyan market Both MTN and Vodacom in SA have dynamic discounts but they are billed per minute and the full rate is higher than the other tariffs. On 16/09/2009, Njoroge Tito <titonjoroge@gmail.com> wrote:

I think safaricom is discouraging people from going the "postpaid" way. As was previously noted, it is not really postpaid, just a modification of prepay where no scratch cards are necessary. Do they need postpaid subscribers?

Tito.

2009/9/16 henry kamabi <hkamabi@gmail.com>

...

Hi..

Orange,Zain and YU guys hope u c this.. I hope they come up with something the will render this effort useless... I use orange/zain to make calls,Yu/zain to do data..and the other one to receive call and i dont regret..

regards, henry

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>wrote:

...

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:

...

i think The african market is not suitable for postpay. there are just too many prepaid customers that telcos offer post pay as a convinience after though

*Mobile users now make up more than 90% of all telephone subscribers across Africa, a higher percentage than on any other continent.

*Despite the global downturn, Latin America’s mobile market will probably continue to grow in 2009 albeit at a slower rate. Once the economy recovers, mobile telephony may regain momentum for a couple of years and then gradually slacken as countries reach mobile market saturation.

*Average mobile penetration across Europe reached about 125% by the beginning of 2009 while sustaining subscriber growth of about 8%. Mobile use is so ingrained among consumers that by early 2009 about a quarter of households across the EU27 had ceased using ordinary fixed-line connections in favour of mobile phones and voice over IP services.

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Inline response 2009/9/17 kennedy kariuki <kkairu@gmail.com>

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 2:27 AM, Gituma Nturibi <gnturibi@gmail.com>wrote:

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I think the approach to postpaid in Kenya is weak.

Is it true you spend more when you use scratch cards than when on postpaid?????

@ Kennedy, I think it is true to say so. However, it all depends on how you make calls, something I'd call 'discipline in calling'. There are those of us who make a lot of calls whether on pre-paid or post-pay. If you want to know how much you spend on your calls, assuming you are on pre-paid, just make a simple expenditure of how much money you reload on your phone per day and the amount of charges a telco bills on post pay. You'll realize that the difference is slight, of course with the post-pay paying a higher bill due to taxes (16% VAT and 10% Excise Duty). As someone mentioned, the reason why many people whould rather remain on pre-paid, is because there are no hustles (registrations, Utility Bills, PIN, Copy of ID, Deposit etc) that one undergoes. My off topic query here is: Can Safaricom, Zain, Yu and Orange tell us how many of their consumers are on post-pay and how many are on pre-pay, instead of a blanket conclusion, *'we have xyz million subcribers on our network'* ?

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Dont think its a promotion its a whole new tariff. .. . . . Safaricom has proved that they dont have to have original Ideas. . . . . . .Just original implementation. . .. . . 2009/9/16 Johan Hellström <hellstrom.johan@gmail.com>:

Looks very similar to MTN Zone, launched in Uganda about a year ago. Huge success for MTN when so many mobile users decided to switch to MTN or they bought an extra SIM for all the MTN to MTN calls. Just after a few weeks, they decided to turn the promotional offer into a permanent one. The same will probably happen in Kenya. See http://www.mtn.co.ug/News-Room/Current-News/MTNZone-Calls-to-cost-1-=.aspx for background. /Johan

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:

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I also here they had a similar project in jkuat. . . Pretty brilliant if u ask me. . .

On 9/16/09, Jacob Ayienda <jacobayienda@gmail.com> wrote:

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not new... looks like they had been doing the pilot in machakos with the tag line "Bei Ya Masaku" that ended last month. the calling rates vary throughout the day.

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