PALO ALTO FIREWALL (PA5020) - LICENSE
Hi guys. Anyone here who has interacted with the subject firewall device and knows how to go about renewing license. I have been dealing with the local license distributor known as WESTCON and the seem to have a very bureaucratic sales process. Regards; Ken
What is so bureaucratic about the process? Why can't you just contact the manufacturer and tell them you are stuck with the bureaucracy of the local distributor?? On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 13:46, Ken MAK'Ombettes via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Hi guys. Anyone here who has interacted with the subject firewall device and knows how to go about renewing license. I have been dealing with the local license distributor known as WESTCON and the seem to have a very bureaucratic sales process.
Regards; Ken
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Ok, I will do that. Apparently they cannot sell any license until you give full device and customer details (customer name and location), which I find not very business like, even if well intended but it doesn't make much sense for me to look for a software for a device bought legally and then you have to dig up details about the client. On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 2:30 PM Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
What is so bureaucratic about the process?
Why can't you just contact the manufacturer and tell them you are stuck with the bureaucracy of the local distributor??
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 13:46, Ken MAK'Ombettes via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Hi guys. Anyone here who has interacted with the subject firewall device and knows how to go about renewing license. I have been dealing with the local license distributor known as WESTCON and the seem to have a very bureaucratic sales process.
Regards; Ken
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Looks like they want to take over your client!!!! I agree with you. If they refuse to accept your address and insist on the Customer's and not just the device details, be very wary!! On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 19:17, Ken MAK'Ombettes <kombettes77@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok, I will do that. Apparently they cannot sell any license until you give full device and customer details (customer name and location), which I find not very business like, even if well intended but it doesn't make much sense for me to look for a software for a device bought legally and then you have to dig up details about the client.
On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 2:30 PM Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
What is so bureaucratic about the process?
Why can't you just contact the manufacturer and tell them you are stuck with the bureaucracy of the local distributor??
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 13:46, Ken MAK'Ombettes via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Hi guys. Anyone here who has interacted with the subject firewall device and knows how to go about renewing license. I have been dealing with the local license distributor known as WESTCON and the seem to have a very bureaucratic sales process.
Regards; Ken
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No wash that's been the process with all Manufacturers they want to register actual client (end user) details and not partners or resellers Regards On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 21:14 Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks, < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Looks like they want to take over your client!!!!
I agree with you. If they refuse to accept your address and insist on the Customer's and not just the device details, be very wary!!
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 19:17, Ken MAK'Ombettes <kombettes77@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok, I will do that. Apparently they cannot sell any license until you give full device and customer details (customer name and location), which I find not very business like, even if well intended but it doesn't make much sense for me to look for a software for a device bought legally and then you have to dig up details about the client.
On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 2:30 PM Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
What is so bureaucratic about the process?
Why can't you just contact the manufacturer and tell them you are stuck with the bureaucracy of the local distributor??
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 13:46, Ken MAK'Ombettes via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Hi guys. Anyone here who has interacted with the subject firewall device and knows how to go about renewing license. I have been dealing with the local license distributor known as WESTCON and the seem to have a very bureaucratic sales process.
Regards; Ken
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@Jeremiah Ngure <jngure@gmail.com> was the distributor right then?? On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 at 07:45, Jeremiah Ngure <jngure@gmail.com> wrote:
No wash that's been the process with all Manufacturers they want to register actual client (end user) details and not partners or resellers
Regards
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 21:14 Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks, < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Looks like they want to take over your client!!!!
I agree with you. If they refuse to accept your address and insist on the Customer's and not just the device details, be very wary!!
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 19:17, Ken MAK'Ombettes <kombettes77@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok, I will do that. Apparently they cannot sell any license until you give full device and customer details (customer name and location), which I find not very business like, even if well intended but it doesn't make much sense for me to look for a software for a device bought legally and then you have to dig up details about the client.
On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 2:30 PM Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
What is so bureaucratic about the process?
Why can't you just contact the manufacturer and tell them you are stuck with the bureaucracy of the local distributor??
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 13:46, Ken MAK'Ombettes via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Hi guys. Anyone here who has interacted with the subject firewall device and knows how to go about renewing license. I have been dealing with the local license distributor known as WESTCON and the seem to have a very bureaucratic sales process.
Regards; Ken
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Hi Ngure; Even if that’s the case, it’s not healthy for business coz they are behaving like their product is not for every Tom dick and Harry. There are leading vendors like Cisco who don’t have such long process and still have their products on check. Sent from my iPhone
On 3 Oct 2018, at 07:45, Jeremiah Ngure <jngure@gmail.com> wrote:
No wash that's been the process with all Manufacturers they want to register actual client (end user) details and not partners or resellers
Regards
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 21:14 Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks, <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: Looks like they want to take over your client!!!!
I agree with you. If they refuse to accept your address and insist on the Customer's and not just the device details, be very wary!!
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 19:17, Ken MAK'Ombettes <kombettes77@gmail.com> wrote: Ok, I will do that. Apparently they cannot sell any license until you give full device and customer details (customer name and location), which I find not very business like, even if well intended but it doesn't make much sense for me to look for a software for a device bought legally and then you have to dig up details about the client.
On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 2:30 PM Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: What is so bureaucratic about the process?
Why can't you just contact the manufacturer and tell them you are stuck with the bureaucracy of the local distributor??
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 13:46, Ken MAK'Ombettes via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: Hi guys. Anyone here who has interacted with the subject firewall device and knows how to go about renewing license. I have been dealing with the local license distributor known as WESTCON and the seem to have a very bureaucratic sales process.
Regards; Ken
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Ken, Cisco do the same and we have shared Client details for decades with no problem. How do you get for example MAFs (without sharing client info) Manufacturer Authorization Forms Regards, Alvin Ochola On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 at 11:49, Ken MAK'Ombettes via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Hi Ngure; Even if that’s the case, it’s not healthy for business coz they are behaving like their product is not for every Tom dick and Harry. There are leading vendors like Cisco who don’t have such long process and still have their products on check.
Sent from my iPhone
On 3 Oct 2018, at 07:45, Jeremiah Ngure <jngure@gmail.com> wrote:
No wash that's been the process with all Manufacturers they want to register actual client (end user) details and not partners or resellers
Regards
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 21:14 Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks, < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Looks like they want to take over your client!!!!
I agree with you. If they refuse to accept your address and insist on the Customer's and not just the device details, be very wary!!
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 19:17, Ken MAK'Ombettes <kombettes77@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok, I will do that. Apparently they cannot sell any license until you give full device and customer details (customer name and location), which I find not very business like, even if well intended but it doesn't make much sense for me to look for a software for a device bought legally and then you have to dig up details about the client.
On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 2:30 PM Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
What is so bureaucratic about the process?
Why can't you just contact the manufacturer and tell them you are stuck with the bureaucracy of the local distributor??
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 13:46, Ken MAK'Ombettes via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Hi guys. Anyone here who has interacted with the subject firewall device and knows how to go about renewing license. I have been dealing with the local license distributor known as WESTCON and the seem to have a very bureaucratic sales process.
Regards; Ken
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Hi Skunks, I believe that this is SOP esp for renewals for most (if not all) enterprise vendors For the vendor to issue a renewals quote they need end user details or contract/customer ID to pull details of the licenses being renewed. (How else will they know what the customer wishes to renew? I.e software features, days of support, type of support) Some vendors also protect incumbent partners unless customer explicitly informs vendor to share pricing widely Regards, Kevin Kariuki On Wed, Oct 3, 2018, 2:51 PM Alvin Ochola via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Ken,
Cisco do the same and we have shared Client details for decades with no problem. How do you get for example MAFs (without sharing client info) Manufacturer Authorization Forms
Regards,
Alvin Ochola
On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 at 11:49, Ken MAK'Ombettes via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Hi Ngure; Even if that’s the case, it’s not healthy for business coz they are behaving like their product is not for every Tom dick and Harry. There are leading vendors like Cisco who don’t have such long process and still have their products on check.
Sent from my iPhone
On 3 Oct 2018, at 07:45, Jeremiah Ngure <jngure@gmail.com> wrote:
No wash that's been the process with all Manufacturers they want to register actual client (end user) details and not partners or resellers
Regards
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 21:14 Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks, < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Looks like they want to take over your client!!!!
I agree with you. If they refuse to accept your address and insist on the Customer's and not just the device details, be very wary!!
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 19:17, Ken MAK'Ombettes <kombettes77@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok, I will do that. Apparently they cannot sell any license until you give full device and customer details (customer name and location), which I find not very business like, even if well intended but it doesn't make much sense for me to look for a software for a device bought legally and then you have to dig up details about the client.
On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 2:30 PM Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
What is so bureaucratic about the process?
Why can't you just contact the manufacturer and tell them you are stuck with the bureaucracy of the local distributor??
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 13:46, Ken MAK'Ombettes via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Hi guys. Anyone here who has interacted with the subject firewall device and knows how to go about renewing license. I have been dealing with the local license distributor known as WESTCON and the seem to have a very bureaucratic sales process.
Regards; Ken
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Thanks Kevin for that insightful explanation. I have since provided those details and the distributor is following up. Sent from my iPhone
On 4 Oct 2018, at 21:07, Kevin Kariuki via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Hi Skunks,
I believe that this is SOP esp for renewals for most (if not all) enterprise vendors
For the vendor to issue a renewals quote they need end user details or contract/customer ID to pull details of the licenses being renewed. (How else will they know what the customer wishes to renew? I.e software features, days of support, type of support)
Some vendors also protect incumbent partners unless customer explicitly informs vendor to share pricing widely
Regards,
Kevin Kariuki
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018, 2:51 PM Alvin Ochola via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: Ken,
Cisco do the same and we have shared Client details for decades with no problem. How do you get for example MAFs (without sharing client info) Manufacturer Authorization Forms
Regards,
Alvin Ochola
On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 at 11:49, Ken MAK'Ombettes via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: Hi Ngure; Even if that’s the case, it’s not healthy for business coz they are behaving like their product is not for every Tom dick and Harry. There are leading vendors like Cisco who don’t have such long process and still have their products on check.
Sent from my iPhone
On 3 Oct 2018, at 07:45, Jeremiah Ngure <jngure@gmail.com> wrote:
No wash that's been the process with all Manufacturers they want to register actual client (end user) details and not partners or resellers
Regards
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 21:14 Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks, <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: Looks like they want to take over your client!!!!
I agree with you. If they refuse to accept your address and insist on the Customer's and not just the device details, be very wary!!
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 19:17, Ken MAK'Ombettes <kombettes77@gmail.com> wrote: Ok, I will do that. Apparently they cannot sell any license until you give full device and customer details (customer name and location), which I find not very business like, even if well intended but it doesn't make much sense for me to look for a software for a device bought legally and then you have to dig up details about the client.
> On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 2:30 PM Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: > What is so bureaucratic about the process? > > Why can't you just contact the manufacturer and tell them you are stuck with the bureaucracy of the local distributor?? > >> On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 13:46, Ken MAK'Ombettes via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> Hi guys. >> Anyone here who has interacted with the subject firewall device and knows how to go about renewing license. >> I have been dealing with the local license distributor known as WESTCON and the seem to have a very bureaucratic sales process. >> >> Regards; >> Ken >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 > "Oh, the cruft."
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Ken, Go through the Manufacturer & it's the same procedure. Either you give them full details or no license will be given. Those are the rules sir. We also share the same always. I suggest you share the same , register & close the deal. Regards, Alvin Ochola Sales Manager Greenline Technology Limited. On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 20:40, Ken MAK'Ombettes via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Ok, I will do that. Apparently they cannot sell any license until you give full device and customer details (customer name and location), which I find not very business like, even if well intended but it doesn't make much sense for me to look for a software for a device bought legally and then you have to dig up details about the client.
On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 2:30 PM Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
What is so bureaucratic about the process?
Why can't you just contact the manufacturer and tell them you are stuck with the bureaucracy of the local distributor??
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 13:46, Ken MAK'Ombettes via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Hi guys. Anyone here who has interacted with the subject firewall device and knows how to go about renewing license. I have been dealing with the local license distributor known as WESTCON and the seem to have a very bureaucratic sales process.
Regards; Ken
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