[Event] Developer Forum - Silver Springs Hotel, Sat 19 Dec 9:30 - 1:00
There has been much talk over the past week championed my Aki and Murigi among others concerning the need for developers to come together and share knowledge, wisdom and indeed mistakes in order to stimulate the industry to the next level. In this regard we are organizing a developer forum this weekend, Saturday 19th December at Silver Springs from 9:30. The agenda is simply to meet and share. There will be swag as well to give away. There is no entry fee. Bring yourself and your colleagues. We are encouraging anyone interested in making a short presentation on ANY *technical *topic to participate. It doesn't need to be complex. Come and talk about OOP if you want to. The point, again, is to share. Circulate amongst your peers and friends. Send me a RSVP if interested in attending and/or presenting ( conradakunga@gmail.com)
Hi Conrad, I'll bring me and myself along.
Rad!..... Would love to, but will not be in town this weekend :-(. KR, Loki "Excellent people exceed expectations". ________________________________ From: Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> To: skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 4:01:08 PM Subject: [Skunkworks] [Event] Developer Forum - Silver Springs Hotel, Sat 19 Dec 9:30 - 1:00 There has been much talk over the past week championed my Aki and Murigi among others concerning the need for developers to come together and share knowledge, wisdom and indeed mistakes in order to stimulate the industry to the next level. In this regard we are organizing a developer forum this weekend, Saturday 19th December at Silver Springs from 9:30. The agenda is simply to meet and share. There will be swag as well to give away. There is no entry fee. Bring yourself and your colleagues. We are encouraging anyone interested in making a short presentation on ANY technical topic to participate. It doesn't need to be complex. Come and talk about OOP if you want to. The point, again, is to share. Circulate amongst your peers and friends. Send me a RSVP if interested in attending and/or presenting (conradakunga@gmail.com)
Will pop in shortly hopefully sistakuwa na Hangie.... Its a good initiative boss. I applaud you. James Muendo Leerick Office & Tech Supplies P.O Box 28016 - 00200 Nairobi,Kenya. Phone: + 254 725 567 508 gtalk: timrick Skype: tim.rick From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Nicholas Loki Sent: 15 December 2009 16:15 To: Skunkworks Forum Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] [Event] Developer Forum - Silver Springs Hotel, Sat 19 Dec 9:30 - 1:00 Rad!..... Would love to, but will not be in town this weekend :-(. KR, Loki "Excellent people exceed expectations". _____ From: Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> To: skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 4:01:08 PM Subject: [Skunkworks] [Event] Developer Forum - Silver Springs Hotel, Sat 19 Dec 9:30 - 1:00 There has been much talk over the past week championed my Aki and Murigi among others concerning the need for developers to come together and share knowledge, wisdom and indeed mistakes in order to stimulate the industry to the next level. In this regard we are organizing a developer forum this weekend, Saturday 19th December at Silver Springs from 9:30. The agenda is simply to meet and share. There will be swag as well to give away. There is no entry fee. Bring yourself and your colleagues. We are encouraging anyone interested in making a short presentation on ANY technical topic to participate. It doesn't need to be complex. Come and talk about OOP if you want to. The point, again, is to share. Circulate amongst your peers and friends. Send me a RSVP if interested in attending and/or presenting (conradakunga@gmail.com)
This a brilliant idea,why not reschedule for 2010, this weekend can't work for me. Thanx On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
There has been much talk over the past week championed my Aki and Murigi among others concerning the need for developers to come together and share knowledge, wisdom and indeed mistakes in order to stimulate the industry to the next level.
In this regard we are organizing a developer forum this weekend, Saturday 19th December at Silver Springs from 9:30. The agenda is simply to meet and share. There will be swag as well to give away. There is no entry fee. Bring yourself and your colleagues.
We are encouraging anyone interested in making a short presentation on ANY *technical *topic to participate. It doesn't need to be complex. Come and talk about OOP if you want to. The point, again, is to share.
Circulate amongst your peers and friends.
Send me a RSVP if interested in attending and/or presenting ( conradakunga@gmail.com)
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Samson, We'll be looking at having the event monthly On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Samson Bungei <bungei6@gmail.com> wrote:
This a brilliant idea,why not reschedule for 2010, this weekend can't work for me. Thanx
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
There has been much talk over the past week championed my Aki and Murigi among others concerning the need for developers to come together and share knowledge, wisdom and indeed mistakes in order to stimulate the industry to the next level.
In this regard we are organizing a developer forum this weekend, Saturday 19th December at Silver Springs from 9:30. The agenda is simply to meet and share. There will be swag as well to give away. There is no entry fee. Bring yourself and your colleagues.
We are encouraging anyone interested in making a short presentation on ANY *technical *topic to participate. It doesn't need to be complex. Come and talk about OOP if you want to. The point, again, is to share.
Circulate amongst your peers and friends.
Send me a RSVP if interested in attending and/or presenting ( conradakunga@gmail.com)
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We'll be looking at having the event monthly
Sounds good to me :-). "Excellent people exceed expectations". ________________________________ From: Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> To: Skunkworks Forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 4:29:09 PM Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] [Event] Developer Forum - Silver Springs Hotel, Sat 19 Dec 9:30 - 1:00 Samson, We'll be looking at having the event monthly On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Samson Bungei <bungei6@gmail.com> wrote: This a brilliant idea,why not reschedule for 2010, this weekend can't work for me.
Thanx
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
There has been much talk over the past week championed my Aki and Murigi among others concerning the need for developers to come together and share knowledge, wisdom and indeed mistakes in order to stimulate the industry to the next level.
In this regard we are organizing a developer forum this weekend, Saturday 19th December at Silver Springs from 9:30. The agenda is simply to meet and share. There will be swag as well to give away. There is no entry fee. Bring yourself and your colleagues.
We are encouraging anyone interested in making a short presentation on ANY technical topic to participate. It doesn't need to be complex. Come and talk about OOP if you want to. The point, again, is to share.
Circulate amongst your peers and friends.
Send me a RSVP if interested in attending and/or presenting (conradakunga@gmail.com)
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I will be temporarily engaged over the weekend but will forward to my developer friends to attend. Moses. On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Nicholas Loki <lokimwenga@yahoo.com> wrote:
We'll be looking at having the event monthly
Sounds good to me :-).
"Excellent people exceed expectations".
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Samson,
We'll be looking at having the event monthly
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Samson Bungei <bungei6@gmail.com> wrote:
This a brilliant idea,why not reschedule for 2010, this weekend can't work for me. Thanx
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
There has been much talk over the past week championed my Aki and Murigi among others concerning the need for developers to come together and share knowledge, wisdom and indeed mistakes in order to stimulate the industry to the next level.
In this regard we are organizing a developer forum this weekend, Saturday 19th December at Silver Springs from 9:30. The agenda is simply to meet and share. There will be swag as well to give away. There is no entry fee. Bring yourself and your colleagues.
We are encouraging anyone interested in making a short presentation on ANY *technical *topic to participate. It doesn't need to be complex. Come and talk about OOP if you want to. The point, again, is to share.
Circulate amongst your peers and friends.
Send me a RSVP if interested in attending and/or presenting ( conradakunga@gmail.com)
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@Rad, nice one! kinldy request all those in attendance to form the the Kenyan Developers Mailing list, which I'm sure can be done on new skunks server. I personally will not be able to attend due to prior commitments but am fully supportive of this initiative. Rgds.
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
There has been much talk over the past week championed my Aki and Murigi among others concerning the need for developers to come together and share knowledge, wisdom and indeed mistakes in order to stimulate the industry to the next level.
In this regard we are organizing a developer forum this weekend, Saturday 19th December at Silver Springs from 9:30. The agenda is simply to meet and share. There will be swag as well to give away. There is no entry fee. Bring yourself and your colleagues.
We are encouraging anyone interested in making a short presentation on ANY *technical *topic to participate. It doesn't need to be complex. Come and talk about OOP if you want to. The point, again, is to share.
Circulate amongst your peers and friends.
Send me a RSVP if interested in attending and/or presenting ( conradakunga@gmail.com)
Will circulate to 3 or 4 .Net developers. When will you be discussing coding standards? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14967/c-coding-standard-best-practices Would like to hear what attendees have to say about this?
Hi Rad! Good initiative will be definately attending, can u give us more details silver springs which conference room etc but will be making it at 10.30am thanks On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
There has been much talk over the past week championed my Aki and Murigi among others concerning the need for developers to come together and share knowledge, wisdom and indeed mistakes in order to stimulate the industry to the next level.
In this regard we are organizing a developer forum this weekend, Saturday 19th December at Silver Springs from 9:30. The agenda is simply to meet and share. There will be swag as well to give away. There is no entry fee. Bring yourself and your colleagues.
We are encouraging anyone interested in making a short presentation on ANY *technical *topic to participate. It doesn't need to be complex. Come and talk about OOP if you want to. The point, again, is to share.
Circulate amongst your peers and friends.
Send me a RSVP if interested in attending and/or presenting ( conradakunga@gmail.com)
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*Brilliant Idea, why not at 3.00 pm? * On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Imelda Mueni <mueni0@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Rad!
Good initiative will be definately attending, can u give us more details silver springs which conference room etc but will be making it at 10.30am
thanks
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
There has been much talk over the past week championed my Aki and Murigi among others concerning the need for developers to come together and share knowledge, wisdom and indeed mistakes in order to stimulate the industry to the next level.
In this regard we are organizing a developer forum this weekend, Saturday 19th December at Silver Springs from 9:30. The agenda is simply to meet and share. There will be swag as well to give away. There is no entry fee. Bring yourself and your colleagues.
We are encouraging anyone interested in making a short presentation on ANY *technical *topic to participate. It doesn't need to be complex. Come and talk about OOP if you want to. The point, again, is to share.
Circulate amongst your peers and friends.
Send me a RSVP if interested in attending and/or presenting ( conradakunga@gmail.com)
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9 is a good at time as any. In any case Saturday afternoons are generally full of miscellaneous activities like weddings, committee meetings, work, etc On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Calvin Omari <calvinebarongo@gmail.com>wrote:
*Brilliant Idea, why not at 3.00 pm?
*
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Imelda Mueni <mueni0@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Rad!
Good initiative will be definately attending, can u give us more details silver springs which conference room etc but will be making it at 10.30am
thanks
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
There has been much talk over the past week championed my Aki and Murigi among others concerning the need for developers to come together and share knowledge, wisdom and indeed mistakes in order to stimulate the industry to the next level.
In this regard we are organizing a developer forum this weekend, Saturday 19th December at Silver Springs from 9:30. The agenda is simply to meet and share. There will be swag as well to give away. There is no entry fee. Bring yourself and your colleagues.
We are encouraging anyone interested in making a short presentation on ANY *technical *topic to participate. It doesn't need to be complex. Come and talk about OOP if you want to. The point, again, is to share.
Circulate amongst your peers and friends.
Send me a RSVP if interested in attending and/or presenting ( conradakunga@gmail.com)
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Thanks all for the confirmations. Interestingly enough not had any volunteers to present ... guys unwilling or unable to share?
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks all for the confirmations.
Interestingly enough not had any volunteers to present ... guys unwilling or unable to share?
Unprepared more likely. Also many are going home (shags) from tomorrow. Anyway for those of you who need to know the Silver Springs meetings are technical and occur monthly. Jacaranda quarterly meets will be more technocratic. Am looking forward to Conrad facilitating some c# coding standard sessions in the near future - like in Jan 2010. http://www.dennisdoomen.net/2009/03/new-coding-guidelines-for-c-30.html And to those of you who have been inquiring about the ASP.Net MVC program .... This is where it will begin for many of you. Come and take advantage of Conrad .. while he is still willing or able to facilitate these meetings. https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Conrad
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
There has been much talk over the past week championed my Aki and Murigi among others concerning the need for developers to come together and share knowledge, wisdom and indeed mistakes in order to stimulate the industry to the next level.
In this regard we are organizing a developer forum this weekend, Saturday 19th December at Silver Springs from 9:30. The agenda is simply to meet and share. There will be swag as well to give away. There is no entry fee. Bring yourself and your colleagues.
We are encouraging anyone interested in making a short presentation on ANY *technical *topic to participate. It doesn't need to be complex. Come and talk about OOP if you want to. The point, again, is to share.
Circulate amongst your peers and friends.
Send me a RSVP if interested in attending and/or presenting ( conradakunga@gmail.com)
Hi Conrad, I'll be attending. Thanks. Joseph.
I have to say it was an eye opener and am grateful for attending! My thanks to the organizers, Conrad, that means you!!! And the MZALENDO site, i think that it is really Radical and cool and informative! Kudos! On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Joseph Wayodi <jwayodi@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
There has been much talk over the past week championed my Aki and Murigi among others concerning the need for developers to come together and share knowledge, wisdom and indeed mistakes in order to stimulate the industry to the next level.
In this regard we are organizing a developer forum this weekend, Saturday 19th December at Silver Springs from 9:30. The agenda is simply to meet and share. There will be swag as well to give away. There is no entry fee. Bring yourself and your colleagues.
We are encouraging anyone interested in making a short presentation on ANY *technical *topic to participate. It doesn't need to be complex. Come and talk about OOP if you want to. The point, again, is to share.
Circulate amongst your peers and friends.
Send me a RSVP if interested in attending and/or presenting ( conradakunga@gmail.com)
Hi Conrad,
I'll be attending. Thanks.
Joseph.
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On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 7:04 AM, Eva Kimathi <evakimathi@gmail.com> wrote:
I have to say it was an eye opener and am grateful for attending! My thanks to the organizers, Conrad, that means you!!! And the MZALENDO site, i think that it is really Radical and cool and informative! Kudos!
Was the meet different from what http://pmuchemi.wordpress.com/2009/03/01/africa-dot-net/ described earlier this year? Your honest feedback will be appreciated. We are not into the business activism (folly) of promoting ignorance of de-facto standards. In addition to Windows, Visual Studio & .Net technologies, we need speakers to enlighten us on Javascript / JQuery Google Earth Google SEO / IE / Firefox / Opera / Chrome etc UX / UI (designer) stuff Flash / Silverlight Mobile ... We are open to more of your suggestions - so that (Eva can help) can create schedules for ..
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Murigi Muraya <mmskunkworks@gmail.com>wrote:
Was the meet different from what http://pmuchemi.wordpress.com/2009/03/01/africa-dot-net/ described earlier this year? Your honest feedback will be appreciated.
We are not into the business activism (folly) of promoting ignorance of de-facto standards. In addition to Windows, Visual Studio & .Net technologies, we need speakers to enlighten us on
Javascript / JQuery
Google Earth
Google SEO / IE / Firefox / Opera / Chrome etc
UX / UI (designer) stuff
Flash / Silverlight
Mobile ...
We are open to more of your suggestions - so that (Eva can help) can create schedules for ..
I'd thought it was going to be a general developers' forum, but it took a weird twist towards the end. What a disappointment. But it was great to meet you guys. Thanks. Joseph.
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Joseph Wayodi <jwayodi@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Murigi Muraya <mmskunkworks@gmail.com>wrote:
Was the meet different from what http://pmuchemi.wordpress.com/2009/03/01/africa-dot-net/ described earlier this year? Your honest feedback will be appreciated.
We are not into the business activism (folly) of promoting ignorance of de-facto standards. In addition to Windows, Visual Studio & .Net technologies, we need speakers to enlighten us on
Javascript / JQuery
Google Earth
Google SEO / IE / Firefox / Opera / Chrome etc
UX / UI (designer) stuff
Flash / Silverlight
Mobile ...
We are open to more of your suggestions - so that (Eva can help) can create schedules for ..
I'd thought it was going to be a general developers' forum, but it took a weird twist towards the end. What a disappointment. But it was great to meet you guys.
Thanks.
Joseph.
Was diverted into town (until 1.30pm) on my way to the meet so ... What disappointed you at the end? We need developers such as yourself to present what you are doing & learning. Sort of like the video done to demonstrate your LED appliance. We are also learning how to 'meet' as we go along. We are working on themes. One month it will be Programming Standards, the next Web (SEO or Usability) standards, the other Animation and so on ... We will go with feedback (public demand). Am pressuring (pursuing) some geeks to style up and present ... It seems many developers want to be pursued to present ... lakini wengi watangoja mpaka ... We need techies with open minds such as those who have worked with Flash but are now learning Silverlight and can present us with two points of view. Alternatively, we need / require developers with different points of views to (be) present and respectfully opinionated (vocal). Since our developers (like the rest of our society) are so unprepared to be transparent, most of us find it hard to expose our knowledge or ignorance. As the current Police spokesman once said (to paraphrase), we cannot expect our Cops to be better than the (corrupt) society from which they come (are recruited) from. http://www.hanselman.com/blog/11TopTipsForASuccessfulTechnicalPresentation.a... These presentations should help slower types such as myself understand stuff we are not willing or able to learn or study on our own (anymore). They will also help developers build up their presentation skills, confidence and reputations in a small forum of 3 to 30 attendees.
wasnt able to attend too , my apologies
I think that apart from it seeming like a microsoft sales pitch, it was so much more informative. if i may speak for myself, i think it was positively enlightening. I would attend another one....I am just saying'..... On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Imelda Mueni <mueni0@gmail.com> wrote:
wasnt able to attend too , my apologies
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I think that apart from it seeming like a microsoft sales pitch, it was so much more informative
Full disclosure might be helpful (who is funding, your affiliation with them, potential conflicts of interest etc etc). I wanted to present something remotely, if the facilities exist (primarily bandwidth). Maybe next time. Saidi On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Eva Kimathi <evakimathi@gmail.com> wrote:
I think that apart from it seeming like a microsoft sales pitch, it was so much more informative. if i may speak for myself, i think it was positively enlightening. I would attend another one....I am just saying'.....
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On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 3:29 AM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
I think that apart from it seeming like a microsoft sales pitch, it was so
much more informative
Full disclosure might be helpful (who is funding, your affiliation with them, potential conflicts of interest etc etc).
I wanted to present something remotely, if the facilities exist (primarily bandwidth). Maybe next time.
Saidi
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Eva Kimathi <evakimathi@gmail.com>wrote:
I think that apart from it seeming like a microsoft sales pitch, it was so much more informative. if i may speak for myself, i think it was positively enlightening. I would attend another one....I am just saying'.....
http://monty-says.blogspot.com/2009/09/codeplex-foundation-why-is-microsoft.... We cannot ignore FOSS on Windows Server Systems. There have been queries on skunkworks about how to instal PHP (Joomla) on Windows in the Enterprise. There are ASP.Net developers needing to embed Google Earth in their Apps. http://blog.evonet.com.au/post/Integrating-Google-Maps-into-an-ASPNET-page.a... Developers who want to be irrelevant in the Enterprise can ignore Microsoft technologies. Why have Google, Apple & Nokia licensed Microsoft Active Sync? To connect some of their services and (or) to Microsoft Exchange Servers? Is this is not Industrial Realism? So we are going to continue addressing Windows Server Systems without ignoring FOSS Systems & Standards either. If attendees do not PRESENT their FOSS preferences then ..
I’m absolutely mystified by some of the responses on this thread. Guys complained that there needed to be a forum for developers to share and exchange. One was organized. And this is still not good enough? Sometimes I think there is no helping Kenyans. NOBODY except one other person volunteered to come and present. About a quarter of the confirmed attended attended. How does the question of full disclosure arise? The agenda was very clear. ANYONE can come and present on ANY technical topic. There only restriction was to prevent people coming to talk about their pet rabbits and bean farming. How more open can anything get? I wasn’t there towards the end due to the fact that i was traveling but Joseph your criticism is not constructive at all. What is it that you disapproved of so much? And what did you do about it? Guys, don’t expect a developer forum to magically appear. A developer forum is composed of DEVELOPERS. If developers are unwilling to participate then there will be no forum. It is one thing to make noise and complain on mailing lists and then when d-day comes disappear into thin air. There comes a time when you have to put your money where your mouth is. Since I am not the type to be easily cowed I will throw down the gauntlet again. On 23rd January there shall be another developer forum. That is a full month from now and ample time i believe to prepare. I’m fully expecting active participation from those who have been agitating the loudest (here’s looking at you Aki & the rest) and those who didn’t like what we did (here’s looking at you Joseph) Rules of engagement is the same. You can present on ANY technical topic of your choice. I’m even widening it to include business (founding and running IT related businesses). Quorum for me will be at least one other person. Educating one person is ample return for me. Let’s see who’s man enough to walk the talk.
@Rad, I think you have done what was unthinkable and wish you success with it. :-) For me, I've taken this year's assessment of thread responses as an understanding that we may still be ahead of time or communicating with the wrong crowd so have actively moved on with my personal targets on other avenues and will not be actively participating in any events/discussions. Rgds. -- "If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses." - Henry Ford
I attended though for 45-50 minutes or so and I will attend again whether Brookside, Microsoft, and/or Trust sponsors the event. I will hopefully complete my apps this few weeks(I also have c# to study) I have and I will hopefully present. I will also prepare myself for the code challenge(You'll say it and I'll code so bring it on on 23rd!
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Murigi Muraya <mmskunkworks@gmail.com>wrote:
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What disappointed you at the end? We need developers such as yourself to present what you are doing & learning. Sort of like the video done to demonstrate your LED appliance. We are also learning how to 'meet' as we go along.
...
The disappointing thing for me was that it turned out to be a Microsoft tools / .NET forum, and not a general developers forum, as I'd understood it to be. I learnt, too late, that it was actually an expanded AfricaDotNet meeting. The speakers, so-called Microsoft MVPs :), were patronising, and in my opinion, very ignorant. Let me just say that I won't be wasting my time in future! Joseph.
I've read this thread with a slight chuckle. Two reasons: - There was an earlier thread on Technical meetings having lower turnouts than 'non-tech' meetings... Its the general trend... -Is there anything wrong with coding in .NET? Microsoft Windows is currently the largest platform to develop for... Care should be taken to throw the baby with the bathwater. Because a developer is from Microsoft, it does not mean that there is nothing you can learn from him/her. On 12/23/09, Joseph Wayodi <jwayodi@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Murigi Muraya <mmskunkworks@gmail.com>wrote:
...
What disappointed you at the end? We need developers such as yourself to present what you are doing & learning. Sort of like the video done to demonstrate your LED appliance. We are also learning how to 'meet' as we go along.
...
The disappointing thing for me was that it turned out to be a Microsoft tools / .NET forum, and not a general developers forum, as I'd understood it to be. I learnt, too late, that it was actually an expanded AfricaDotNet meeting. The speakers, so-called Microsoft MVPs :), were patronising, and in my opinion, very ignorant.
Let me just say that I won't be wasting my time in future!
Joseph.
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Correction, 'Care should be taken *not* to throw the baby with the bathwater...' On 12/23/09, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
I've read this thread with a slight chuckle. Two reasons:
- There was an earlier thread on Technical meetings having lower turnouts than 'non-tech' meetings... Its the general trend...
-Is there anything wrong with coding in .NET? Microsoft Windows is currently the largest platform to develop for... Care should be taken to throw the baby with the bathwater. Because a developer is from Microsoft, it does not mean that there is nothing you can learn from him/her.
On 12/23/09, Joseph Wayodi <jwayodi@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Murigi Muraya <mmskunkworks@gmail.com>wrote:
...
What disappointed you at the end? We need developers such as yourself to present what you are doing & learning. Sort of like the video done to demonstrate your LED appliance. We are also learning how to 'meet' as we go along.
...
The disappointing thing for me was that it turned out to be a Microsoft tools / .NET forum, and not a general developers forum, as I'd understood it to be. I learnt, too late, that it was actually an expanded AfricaDotNet meeting. The speakers, so-called Microsoft MVPs :), were patronising, and in my opinion, very ignorant.
Let me just say that I won't be wasting my time in future!
Joseph.
-- Sent from my mobile device
With Regards,
Phares Kariuki
| T: +254 734 810 802 | E: pkariuki@gmail.com | Twitter: kaboro | Skype: kariukiphares |
-- Sent from my mobile device With Regards, Phares Kariuki | T: +254 734 810 802 | E: pkariuki@gmail.com | Twitter: kaboro | Skype: kariukiphares |
When you are right.... Whatever the case, i still really enjoyed it! :-) On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
Correction, 'Care should be taken *not* to throw the baby with the bathwater...'
On 12/23/09, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
I've read this thread with a slight chuckle. Two reasons:
- There was an earlier thread on Technical meetings having lower turnouts than 'non-tech' meetings... Its the general trend...
-Is there anything wrong with coding in .NET? Microsoft Windows is currently the largest platform to develop for... Care should be taken to throw the baby with the bathwater. Because a developer is from Microsoft, it does not mean that there is nothing you can learn from him/her.
On 12/23/09, Joseph Wayodi <jwayodi@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Murigi Muraya <mmskunkworks@gmail.com>wrote:
...
What disappointed you at the end? We need developers such as yourself
to
present what you are doing & learning. Sort of like the video done to demonstrate your LED appliance. We are also learning how to 'meet' as we go along.
...
The disappointing thing for me was that it turned out to be a Microsoft tools / .NET forum, and not a general developers forum, as I'd understood it to be. I learnt, too late, that it was actually an expanded AfricaDotNet meeting. The speakers, so-called Microsoft MVPs :), were patronising, and in my opinion, very ignorant.
Let me just say that I won't be wasting my time in future!
Joseph.
-- Sent from my mobile device
With Regards,
Phares Kariuki
| T: +254 734 810 802 | E: pkariuki@gmail.com | Twitter: kaboro | Skype: kariukiphares |
-- Sent from my mobile device
With Regards,
Phares Kariuki
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Well, speaking for myself as one of the "patronizing & ignorant" folk I don't think I can elaborate any further on what I have said. 23rd Jan is still on. Those interested in attending & presenting are welcome. Those interested in insults and complaints are even more welcome. On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Eva Kimathi <evakimathi@gmail.com> wrote:
When you are right....
Whatever the case, i still really enjoyed it! :-)
Is there a possibility some of us can attend remotely on the 23rd? webcast? or something like that? Steve Obbayi SKYPE: sobbayi US: +1 202 297 6831 +1 202 470 0525 KE: +254 722 627 691 http://sobbayi.com http://blog.sobbayi.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rad!" <conradakunga@gmail.com> To: "Skunkworks Forum" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 9:27:17 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] [Event] Developer Forum - Silver Springs Hotel, Sat 19 Dec 9:30 - 1:00 Well, speaking for myself as one of the "patronizing & ignorant" folk I don't think I can elaborate any further on what I have said. 23rd Jan is still on. Those interested in attending & presenting are welcome. Those interested in insults and complaints are even more welcome. On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com > wrote: When you are right.... Whatever the case, i still really enjoyed it! :-) _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
I'll see what can be done. I'm hoping that at the very least there will be live blogging and some sort of writeup for the next event. I toss the gauntlet to anyone interested in taking up the challenge On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
Is there a possibility some of us can attend remotely on the 23rd? webcast? or something like that?
Steve Obbayi
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Cool, appreciate it. keep us posted on the progress ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rad!" <conradakunga@gmail.com> To: "Skunkworks Forum" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 9:44:43 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] [Event] Developer Forum - Silver Springs Hotel, Sat 19 Dec 9:30 - 1:00 I'll see what can be done. I'm hoping that at the very least there will be live blogging and some sort of writeup for the next event. I toss the gauntlet to anyone interested in taking up the challenge On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Steve Obbayi < steve@sobbayi.com > wrote: Is there a possibility some of us can attend remotely on the 23rd? webcast? or something like that? Steve Obbayi SKYPE: sobbayi US: +1 202 297 6831 +1 202 470 0525 KE: +254 722 627 691 http://sobbayi.com http://blog.sobbayi.com _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Joseph Wayodi <jwayodi@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Murigi Muraya <mmskunkworks@gmail.com>wrote:
...
What disappointed you at the end? We need developers such as yourself to present what you are doing & learning. Sort of like the video done to demonstrate your LED appliance. We are also learning how to 'meet' as we go along.
...
The disappointing thing for me was that it turned out to be a Microsoft tools / .NET forum, and not a general developers forum, as I'd understood it to be. I learnt, too late, that it was actually an expanded AfricaDotNet meeting. The speakers, so-called Microsoft MVPs :), were patronising, and in my opinion, very ignorant.
Let me just say that I won't be wasting my time in future!
Joseph.
Joseph, Even though you never come back your feedback will help us improve future meets. With a 90% market share on desktops we cannot ignore the Windows API. What is the ROI on Desktop Linux that just crossed past the 1% market share on desktops? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/927884/web-app-or-desktop-app-which-is-ea... Web apps = server side apps = best developed by communities / companies. Yah? Gifted Solo Movers (= Micro ISV's) can focus on desktop or mobile apps but will Web app (stores) not generate more sales for their mobile or desktop apps? http://www.kalzumeus.com/2009/09/05/desktop-aps-versus-web-apps/ Anyway, this is a discussion for a future event so .... 2 & Y'All on the List, Have a Calm & Creative Christmas & New Year MM Calm - Considering yesterday's rains which caused havoc and expected to continue over the Weekend ... Muthurwa was crazy last night - saw mangled vehicles (people died), billboard, fallen branches / trees, thugs all over .. Peace to All on Earth ... Remember the Reason for the Season
I did not attend for various reasons. Hell, I may not even be a 'real' developer bt i think some of us are hitting below the belt. Joseph, .net presenters will present .net. Perl presenters will present perl. Java, ditto. So if there were no presenters on other topics, then wth? And I would think twice before calling another techie ignorant, esp in their field. For ur xmas assignment read up on what caused the fallout btn A. Cox and Linus. Aki, please dont give up. On 12/24/09, Murigi Muraya <mmskunkworks@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Joseph Wayodi <jwayodi@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Murigi Muraya <mmskunkworks@gmail.com>wrote:
...
What disappointed you at the end? We need developers such as yourself to present what you are doing & learning. Sort of like the video done to demonstrate your LED appliance. We are also learning how to 'meet' as we go along.
...
The disappointing thing for me was that it turned out to be a Microsoft tools / .NET forum, and not a general developers forum, as I'd understood it to be. I learnt, too late, that it was actually an expanded AfricaDotNet meeting. The speakers, so-called Microsoft MVPs :), were patronising, and in my opinion, very ignorant.
Let me just say that I won't be wasting my time in future!
Joseph.
Joseph,
Even though you never come back your feedback will help us improve future meets.
With a 90% market share on desktops we cannot ignore the Windows API. What is the ROI on Desktop Linux that just crossed past the 1% market share on desktops?
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/927884/web-app-or-desktop-app-which-is-ea...
Web apps = server side apps = best developed by communities / companies. Yah? Gifted Solo Movers (= Micro ISV's) can focus on desktop or mobile apps but will Web app (stores) not generate more sales for their mobile or desktop apps?
http://www.kalzumeus.com/2009/09/05/desktop-aps-versus-web-apps/
Anyway, this is a discussion for a future event so ....
2 & Y'All on the List, Have a Calm & Creative Christmas & New Year
MM
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Peace to All on Earth ... Remember the Reason for the Season
On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Tech List Kenya <techlistkenya@gmail.com>wrote:
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For ur xmas assignment read up on what caused the fallout btn A. Cox and Linus. ...
This is not the first time Linus has been critical like this, whether rightly or wrongly. Remember his comments about GNOME's usability (and then switching back from KDE a few years later), about Con Kolivas' scheduler (which Con abandoned), and about the OpenBSD project's approach to security (and then later apologising for his misunderstanding)? I guess the thing to learn is, everyone has to make his own decisions. Joseph.
On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Murigi Muraya <mmskunkworks@gmail.com>wrote:
Joseph,
Even though you never come back your feedback will help us improve future meets.
With a 90% market share on desktops we cannot ignore the Windows API. What is the ROI on Desktop Linux that just crossed past the 1% market share on desktops?
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/927884/web-app-or-desktop-app-which-is-ea...
Web apps = server side apps = best developed by communities / companies. Yah? Gifted Solo Movers (= Micro ISV's) can focus on desktop or mobile apps but will Web app (stores) not generate more sales for their mobile or desktop apps?
http://www.kalzumeus.com/2009/09/05/desktop-aps-versus-web-apps/
...
Hi Murigi and everyone, Sorry if you found my language less than civil. What I meant was that the speakers kept making snide comments about free software that were simply not true, like they were totally clueless. As for whether one can ignore the Windows API, or whether there's anything wrong with using .NET, I think it's a decision the user has to make for himself. But you should realise that there's life outside .NET and Windows. And for those who value free software, it isn't a hard decision to make. And as for whether it's easier to monetise desktop or Web apps, it really depends on what you're trying to do, and your business model. There's a lot to consider in these things. But also, it's not always about money. Joseph.
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