Isnt it time we had torrents, p2p and file sharing in "our internet" ?
Ok, this is not about the morality of p2p file sharing, its not even distribution, or the stuff alex and co were discussing over today. Hear me people? Our Internet? YES, i have come to conclude that there are basically two internets, our internet (the one you get when your speedtest nairobi that makes use of the local loop, and the "other internet", which is the one thats on the other end of the fiber. Im just thinkin, its time we did our own p2p to maximize on the available capacity, have local seeds and local leeches kind of thing. So, to start us off, Ive got the time, internet connection and skill. (and script to accompany the whole thing). Anyone with datacenter infrastructure and a rapidshare.co.ke domain?
Hi, On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 4:16 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
So, to start us off, Ive got the time, internet connection and skill. (and script to accompany the whole thing). Anyone with datacenter infrastructure and a rapidshare.co.ke domain?
There's get.co.ke example: http://www.get.co.ke/files/get/59
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@Lmwangi, nice website. IMHO , wananchi vs kdn, KDN!. anyone with KDN willing to offer space and bandwidth? (scrap that, just pipe in a T1 into my home in malindi :-) ) On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Lmwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 4:16 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
So, to start us off, Ive got the time, internet connection and skill. (and script to accompany the whole thing). Anyone with datacenter infrastructure and a rapidshare.co.ke domain?
There's get.co.ke example: http://www.get.co.ke/files/get/59
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I think Kai talking in a Skunkworks meeting that they can host something that is valuable, and this is it. Anyone at KDN lurking into the list? James Muendo Leerick Office & Tech Supplies P.O Box 28016 - 00200 Nairobi,Kenya. Phone: + 254 725 567 508 gtalk: timrick Skype: tim.rick rickdeesadvantage.blogspot.com From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of [ Brainiac ] Sent: 24 November 2009 20:27 To: Skunkworks Forum Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Isnt it time we had torrents, p2p and file sharing in "our internet" ? @Lmwangi, nice website. IMHO , wananchi vs kdn, KDN!. anyone with KDN willing to offer space and bandwidth? (scrap that, just pipe in a T1 into my home in malindi :-) ) On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Lmwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote: Hi, On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 4:16 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote: So, to start us off, Ive got the time, internet connection and skill. (and script to accompany the whole thing). Anyone with datacenter infrastructure and a rapidshare.co.ke domain? There's get.co.ke example: http://www.get.co.ke/files/get/59 _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24 <http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94> &t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24 <http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94> &t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
I do hope he is listening somewhere in the background. p2p is a necessary evil, and the kind of traffic it can drive to your network is super, not forgetting a development like a locally made / hosted version of something like limewire / emule. I think it would be the best utilization of resources. What thinks you? On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 8:32 PM, James Muendo <timrick@gmail.com> wrote:
I think Kai talking in a Skunkworks meeting that they can host something that is valuable, and this is it. Anyone at KDN lurking into the list?
James Muendo
Leerick Office & Tech Supplies
P.O Box 28016 - 00200
Nairobi,Kenya.
Phone: + 254 725 567 508
gtalk: timrick
Skype: tim.rick
rickdeesadvantage.blogspot.com
*From:* skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] *On Behalf Of *[ Brainiac ] *Sent:* 24 November 2009 20:27 *To:* Skunkworks Forum *Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] Isnt it time we had torrents, p2p and file sharing in "our internet" ?
@Lmwangi, nice website.
IMHO , wananchi vs kdn, KDN!.
anyone with KDN willing to offer space and bandwidth? (scrap that, just pipe in a T1 into my home in malindi :-) )
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Lmwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 4:16 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
So, to start us off, Ive got the time, internet connection and skill. (and script to accompany the whole thing). Anyone with datacenter infrastructure and a rapidshare.co.ke domain?
There's get.co.ke example: http://www.get.co.ke/files/get/59
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Cool, To show my support for this, I have upped some pentesting eBooks thereto. Downlinks are http://www.get.co.ke/files/get/62 for Penetration Tester's Open Source Toolkit, Vol. 2~tqw~_darksiderg.pdf [27 MB] http://www.get.co.ke/files/get/63 for The Ethical Hack A Framework for Business Value Penetration Testing~tqw~_darksiderg.pdf [4 MB] Enjoy :) 2009/11/24 [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>
I do hope he is listening somewhere in the background. p2p is a necessary evil, and the kind of traffic it can drive to your network is super, not forgetting a development like a locally made / hosted version of something like limewire / emule. I think it would be the best utilization of resources.
What thinks you?
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 8:32 PM, James Muendo <timrick@gmail.com> wrote:
I think Kai talking in a Skunkworks meeting that they can host something that is valuable, and this is it. Anyone at KDN lurking into the list?
James Muendo
Leerick Office & Tech Supplies
P.O Box 28016 - 00200
Nairobi,Kenya.
Phone: + 254 725 567 508
gtalk: timrick
Skype: tim.rick
rickdeesadvantage.blogspot.com
*From:* skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] *On Behalf Of *[ Brainiac ] *Sent:* 24 November 2009 20:27 *To:* Skunkworks Forum *Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] Isnt it time we had torrents, p2p and file sharing in "our internet" ?
@Lmwangi, nice website.
IMHO , wananchi vs kdn, KDN!.
anyone with KDN willing to offer space and bandwidth? (scrap that, just pipe in a T1 into my home in malindi :-) )
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Lmwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 4:16 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
So, to start us off, Ive got the time, internet connection and skill. (and script to accompany the whole thing). Anyone with datacenter infrastructure and a rapidshare.co.ke domain?
There's get.co.ke example: http://www.get.co.ke/files/get/59
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Great! Pentest in 43 seconds. Now this is what am talking about, anyone for a KDN server pleasse? OK, lets split this: 1: Someone to offer space at the KDN datacenter or offer (me :-) ) Bandwidth. 2: Someone to offer a machine with really really big space. 3: Someone to offer time and effort to help us in setting up the server. 4: Some guys to volunteer to support the platform and dedicate time to maintaining data, software and add manage memberships. We will be heading somewhere really cool. Cheers. On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 8:53 PM, Simon Mbuthia <simon.mbuthia@gmail.com>wrote:
Cool,
To show my support for this, I have upped some pentesting eBooks thereto.
Downlinks are http://www.get.co.ke/files/get/62 for Penetration Tester's Open Source Toolkit, Vol. 2~tqw~_darksiderg.pdf [27 MB] http://www.get.co.ke/files/get/63 for The Ethical Hack A Framework for Business Value Penetration Testing~tqw~_darksiderg.pdf [4 MB]
Enjoy :)
2009/11/24 [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>
I do hope he is listening somewhere in the background. p2p is a necessary
evil, and the kind of traffic it can drive to your network is super, not forgetting a development like a locally made / hosted version of something like limewire / emule. I think it would be the best utilization of resources.
What thinks you?
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 8:32 PM, James Muendo <timrick@gmail.com> wrote:
I think Kai talking in a Skunkworks meeting that they can host something that is valuable, and this is it. Anyone at KDN lurking into the list?
James Muendo
Leerick Office & Tech Supplies
P.O Box 28016 - 00200
Nairobi,Kenya.
Phone: + 254 725 567 508
gtalk: timrick
Skype: tim.rick
rickdeesadvantage.blogspot.com
*From:* skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] *On Behalf Of *[ Brainiac ] *Sent:* 24 November 2009 20:27 *To:* Skunkworks Forum *Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] Isnt it time we had torrents, p2p and file sharing in "our internet" ?
@Lmwangi, nice website.
IMHO , wananchi vs kdn, KDN!.
anyone with KDN willing to offer space and bandwidth? (scrap that, just pipe in a T1 into my home in malindi :-) )
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Lmwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 4:16 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
So, to start us off, Ive got the time, internet connection and skill. (and script to accompany the whole thing). Anyone with datacenter infrastructure and a rapidshare.co.ke domain?
There's get.co.ke example: http://www.get.co.ke/files/get/59
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Why not focus on legal downloads? For example, a local mirror of the common Linux distributions would not only be extremely useful but also economically advantageous as it saves on outbound bandwidth and encourages more people to actually give it a try. I'm sure that if this was actually presented in a coherent, logical fashion it may even be possible to get funding from industry (CISCO, etc). IIRC there was an effort to achieve this locally, I'm not sure if its still around though. On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 6:05 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
Great! Pentest in 43 seconds. Now this is what am talking about, anyone for a KDN server pleasse?
OK, lets split this:
1: Someone to offer space at the KDN datacenter or offer (me :-) ) Bandwidth. 2: Someone to offer a machine with really really big space. 3: Someone to offer time and effort to help us in setting up the server. 4: Some guys to volunteer to support the platform and dedicate time to maintaining data, software and add manage memberships.
We will be heading somewhere really cool.
Cheers.
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 8:53 PM, Simon Mbuthia <simon.mbuthia@gmail.com>wrote:
Cool,
To show my support for this, I have upped some pentesting eBooks thereto.
Downlinks are http://www.get.co.ke/files/get/62 for Penetration Tester's Open Source Toolkit, Vol. 2~tqw~_darksiderg.pdf [27 MB] http://www.get.co.ke/files/get/63 for The Ethical Hack A Framework for Business Value Penetration Testing~tqw~_darksiderg.pdf [4 MB]
Enjoy :)
2009/11/24 [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>
I do hope he is listening somewhere in the background. p2p is a necessary
evil, and the kind of traffic it can drive to your network is super, not forgetting a development like a locally made / hosted version of something like limewire / emule. I think it would be the best utilization of resources.
What thinks you?
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 8:32 PM, James Muendo <timrick@gmail.com> wrote:
I think Kai talking in a Skunkworks meeting that they can host something that is valuable, and this is it. Anyone at KDN lurking into the list?
James Muendo
Leerick Office & Tech Supplies
P.O Box 28016 - 00200
Nairobi,Kenya.
Phone: + 254 725 567 508
gtalk: timrick
Skype: tim.rick
rickdeesadvantage.blogspot.com
*From:* skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] *On Behalf Of *[ Brainiac ] *Sent:* 24 November 2009 20:27 *To:* Skunkworks Forum *Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] Isnt it time we had torrents, p2p and file sharing in "our internet" ?
@Lmwangi, nice website.
IMHO , wananchi vs kdn, KDN!.
anyone with KDN willing to offer space and bandwidth? (scrap that, just pipe in a T1 into my home in malindi :-) )
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Lmwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 4:16 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
So, to start us off, Ive got the time, internet connection and skill. (and script to accompany the whole thing). Anyone with datacenter infrastructure and a rapidshare.co.ke domain?
There's get.co.ke example: http://www.get.co.ke/files/get/59
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@rsohan , To me, the morality of whether a download is legal or illegal is inconsequential. I believe an effort to develop an infrastructure for exchanging, downloading and sharing big files is invaluable. In whichever form, it will allow for download of both legal and not so legal files. What do you guys think? On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:21 PM, rsohan@gmail.com <rsohan@gmail.com> wrote:
Why not focus on legal downloads? For example, a local mirror of the common Linux distributions would not only be extremely useful but also economically advantageous as it saves on outbound bandwidth and encourages more people to actually give it a try.
I'm sure that if this was actually presented in a coherent, logical fashion it may even be possible to get funding from industry (CISCO, etc).
IIRC there was an effort to achieve this locally, I'm not sure if its still around though.
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 6:05 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
Great! Pentest in 43 seconds. Now this is what am talking about, anyone for a KDN server pleasse?
OK, lets split this:
1: Someone to offer space at the KDN datacenter or offer (me :-) ) Bandwidth. 2: Someone to offer a machine with really really big space. 3: Someone to offer time and effort to help us in setting up the server. 4: Some guys to volunteer to support the platform and dedicate time to maintaining data, software and add manage memberships.
We will be heading somewhere really cool.
Cheers.
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 8:53 PM, Simon Mbuthia <simon.mbuthia@gmail.com>wrote:
Cool,
To show my support for this, I have upped some pentesting eBooks thereto.
Downlinks are http://www.get.co.ke/files/get/62 for Penetration Tester's Open Source Toolkit, Vol. 2~tqw~_darksiderg.pdf [27 MB] http://www.get.co.ke/files/get/63 for The Ethical Hack A Framework for Business Value Penetration Testing~tqw~_darksiderg.pdf [4 MB]
Enjoy :)
2009/11/24 [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>
I do hope he is listening somewhere in the background. p2p is a necessary
evil, and the kind of traffic it can drive to your network is super, not forgetting a development like a locally made / hosted version of something like limewire / emule. I think it would be the best utilization of resources.
What thinks you?
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 8:32 PM, James Muendo <timrick@gmail.com>wrote:
I think Kai talking in a Skunkworks meeting that they can host something that is valuable, and this is it. Anyone at KDN lurking into the list?
James Muendo
Leerick Office & Tech Supplies
P.O Box 28016 - 00200
Nairobi,Kenya.
Phone: + 254 725 567 508
gtalk: timrick
Skype: tim.rick
rickdeesadvantage.blogspot.com
*From:* skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] *On Behalf Of *[ Brainiac ] *Sent:* 24 November 2009 20:27 *To:* Skunkworks Forum *Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] Isnt it time we had torrents, p2p and file sharing in "our internet" ?
@Lmwangi, nice website.
IMHO , wananchi vs kdn, KDN!.
anyone with KDN willing to offer space and bandwidth? (scrap that, just pipe in a T1 into my home in malindi :-) )
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Lmwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 4:16 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
So, to start us off, Ive got the time, internet connection and skill. (and script to accompany the whole thing). Anyone with datacenter infrastructure and a rapidshare.co.ke domain?
There's get.co.ke example: http://www.get.co.ke/files/get/59
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kindly correct me if im wrong on this. i think one of the issues come with the packages for connectivity available i.e. the internet packages we pay for from the isps offer bandwidth to both "our" internet and "the other" internet at the same price. I recall reading something on this list about being able to get 1mbps bandwidth to kixp at a much lower cost than 1mbps to the "other" internet. I think "local" p2p is available in a sense but the connections most of us have doesn't make a huge differance to the end users like u and me. Wesley brought up this issue in a previous thread. for example if im on safaricom if i download an ubuntu iso(or any other file for that matter) from uk and if i do it from a local server i still pay the same amount. or if i make a video call to london and make a similar call to a building in town i still pay the same amount. Therefore i think that "our" internet would only come if we are talking about cheaper and faster links locally. Disclaimer: this is my current thinking based on my previous research. I do welcome any corrections on this or confirmations :) as i would be happy to be corrected. On 24/11/2009, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
@rsohan ,
To me, the morality of whether a download is legal or illegal is inconsequential. I believe an effort to develop an infrastructure for exchanging, downloading and sharing big files is invaluable. In whichever form, it will allow for download of both legal and not so legal files.
What do you guys think?
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:21 PM, rsohan@gmail.com <rsohan@gmail.com> wrote:
Why not focus on legal downloads? For example, a local mirror of the common Linux distributions would not only be extremely useful but also economically advantageous as it saves on outbound bandwidth and encourages more people to actually give it a try.
I'm sure that if this was actually presented in a coherent, logical fashion it may even be possible to get funding from industry (CISCO, etc).
IIRC there was an effort to achieve this locally, I'm not sure if its still around though.
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 6:05 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
Great! Pentest in 43 seconds. Now this is what am talking about, anyone for a KDN server pleasse?
OK, lets split this:
1: Someone to offer space at the KDN datacenter or offer (me :-) ) Bandwidth. 2: Someone to offer a machine with really really big space. 3: Someone to offer time and effort to help us in setting up the server. 4: Some guys to volunteer to support the platform and dedicate time to maintaining data, software and add manage memberships.
We will be heading somewhere really cool.
Cheers.
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 8:53 PM, Simon Mbuthia <simon.mbuthia@gmail.com>wrote:
Cool,
To show my support for this, I have upped some pentesting eBooks thereto.
Downlinks are http://www.get.co.ke/files/get/62 for Penetration Tester's Open Source Toolkit, Vol. 2~tqw~_darksiderg.pdf [27 MB] http://www.get.co.ke/files/get/63 for The Ethical Hack A Framework for Business Value Penetration Testing~tqw~_darksiderg.pdf [4 MB]
Enjoy :)
2009/11/24 [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>
I do hope he is listening somewhere in the background. p2p is a necessary
evil, and the kind of traffic it can drive to your network is super, not forgetting a development like a locally made / hosted version of something like limewire / emule. I think it would be the best utilization of resources.
What thinks you?
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 8:32 PM, James Muendo <timrick@gmail.com>wrote:
I think Kai talking in a Skunkworks meeting that they can host something that is valuable, and this is it. Anyone at KDN lurking into the list?
James Muendo
Leerick Office & Tech Supplies
P.O Box 28016 - 00200
Nairobi,Kenya.
Phone: + 254 725 567 508
gtalk: timrick
Skype: tim.rick
rickdeesadvantage.blogspot.com
*From:* skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] *On Behalf Of *[ Brainiac ] *Sent:* 24 November 2009 20:27 *To:* Skunkworks Forum *Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] Isnt it time we had torrents, p2p and file sharing in "our internet" ?
@Lmwangi, nice website.
IMHO , wananchi vs kdn, KDN!.
anyone with KDN willing to offer space and bandwidth? (scrap that, just pipe in a T1 into my home in malindi :-) )
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Lmwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 4:16 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
So, to start us off, Ive got the time, internet connection and skill. (and script to accompany the whole thing). Anyone with datacenter infrastructure and a rapidshare.co.ke domain?
There's get.co.ke example: http://www.get.co.ke/files/get/59
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IIRC, local bandwidth is "free" in that you're not paying per bit. Transatlantic bandwidth is priced per GB, and even though it may be cheap the costs add up. In addition, there is the issue of latency and link throughput which are likely to be better on local connections. You are right in that if your connection is limited to 256Kbps (for example), it doesn't make a difference if you are getting the ISO from the UK or from up the road, however as connection speeds begin to go up (1Mbps, 2Mbps, 10Mbps etc) there will begin to be definite advantages in downloading locally. If someone can get us bandwidth and physical space, I would be happy to contribute upto $250 towards a machine for *legal *mirroring. I am also happy to setup and administer the machine for six months* and handoff to someone else on the list in due course. Of course if we could get some stats on egress traffic we could make the mirror that much more useful :) *quals: I ran one of the largest debian mirrors in the UK for 3 years On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 7:26 AM, benson orina <benson.orina@gmail.com>wrote:
kindly correct me if im wrong on this. i think one of the issues come with the packages for connectivity available i.e. the internet packages we pay for from the isps offer bandwidth to both "our" internet and "the other" internet at the same price. I recall reading something on this list about being able to get 1mbps bandwidth to kixp at a much lower cost than 1mbps to the "other" internet. I think "local" p2p is available in a sense but the connections most of us have doesn't make a huge differance to the end users like u and me. Wesley brought up this issue in a previous thread. for example if im on safaricom if i download an ubuntu iso(or any other file for that matter) from uk and if i do it from a local server i still pay the same amount. or if i make a video call to london and make a similar call to a building in town i still pay the same amount. Therefore i think that "our" internet would only come if we are talking about cheaper and faster links locally. Disclaimer: this is my current thinking based on my previous research. I do welcome any corrections on this or confirmations :) as i would be happy to be corrected.
On 24/11/2009, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
@rsohan ,
To me, the morality of whether a download is legal or illegal is inconsequential. I believe an effort to develop an infrastructure for exchanging, downloading and sharing big files is invaluable. In whichever form, it will allow for download of both legal and not so legal files.
What do you guys think?
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:21 PM, rsohan@gmail.com <rsohan@gmail.com> wrote:
Why not focus on legal downloads? For example, a local mirror of the common Linux distributions would not only be extremely useful but also economically advantageous as it saves on outbound bandwidth and encourages more people to actually give it a try.
I'm sure that if this was actually presented in a coherent, logical fashion it may even be possible to get funding from industry (CISCO, etc).
IIRC there was an effort to achieve this locally, I'm not sure if its still around though.
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 6:05 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
Great! Pentest in 43 seconds. Now this is what am talking about, anyone for a KDN server pleasse?
OK, lets split this:
1: Someone to offer space at the KDN datacenter or offer (me :-) ) Bandwidth. 2: Someone to offer a machine with really really big space. 3: Someone to offer time and effort to help us in setting up the server. 4: Some guys to volunteer to support the platform and dedicate time to maintaining data, software and add manage memberships.
We will be heading somewhere really cool.
Cheers.
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 8:53 PM, Simon Mbuthia <simon.mbuthia@gmail.com>wrote:
Cool,
To show my support for this, I have upped some pentesting eBooks thereto.
Downlinks are http://www.get.co.ke/files/get/62 for Penetration Tester's Open Source Toolkit, Vol. 2~tqw~_darksiderg.pdf [27 MB] http://www.get.co.ke/files/get/63 for The Ethical Hack A Framework for Business Value Penetration Testing~tqw~_darksiderg.pdf [4 MB]
Enjoy :)
2009/11/24 [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>
I do hope he is listening somewhere in the background. p2p is a necessary
evil, and the kind of traffic it can drive to your network is super, not forgetting a development like a locally made / hosted version of something like limewire / emule. I think it would be the best utilization of resources.
What thinks you?
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 8:32 PM, James Muendo <timrick@gmail.com wrote:
> I think Kai talking in a Skunkworks meeting that they can host > something that is valuable, and this is it. Anyone at KDN lurking into > the > list? > > > > > > James Muendo > > Leerick Office & Tech Supplies > > P.O Box 28016 - 00200 > > Nairobi,Kenya. > > > > Phone: + 254 725 567 508 > > gtalk: timrick > > Skype: tim.rick > > > > rickdeesadvantage.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > *From:* skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto: > skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] *On Behalf Of *[ Brainiac ] > *Sent:* 24 November 2009 20:27 > *To:* Skunkworks Forum > *Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] Isnt it time we had torrents, p2p and file > sharing in "our internet" ? > > > > @Lmwangi, nice website. > > > > IMHO , wananchi vs kdn, KDN!. > > > > anyone with KDN willing to offer space and bandwidth? (scrap that, > just > pipe in a T1 into my home in malindi :-) ) > > On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Lmwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 4:16 PM, [ Brainiac ] < arebacollins@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > So, to start us off, Ive got the time, internet connection and skill. > (and script to accompany the whole thing). Anyone with datacenter > infrastructure and a rapidshare.co.ke domain? > > There's get.co.ke > example: http://www.get.co.ke/files/get/59 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > Other lists > ------------- > Announce: > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general > > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > Other lists > ------------- > Announce: > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general > > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > Other lists > ------------- > Announce: > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >
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now we are talking @rsohan. Now we have the machine, anyone with bandwidth , IP addresses, a Domain or two and space? @rsohan, lets have a discussion on legality :-) On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 3:14 PM, rsohan@gmail.com <rsohan@gmail.com> wrote:
IIRC, local bandwidth is "free" in that you're not paying per bit. Transatlantic bandwidth is priced per GB, and even though it may be cheap the costs add up. In addition, there is the issue of latency and link throughput which are likely to be better on local connections.
You are right in that if your connection is limited to 256Kbps (for example), it doesn't make a difference if you are getting the ISO from the UK or from up the road, however as connection speeds begin to go up (1Mbps, 2Mbps, 10Mbps etc) there will begin to be definite advantages in downloading locally.
If someone can get us bandwidth and physical space, I would be happy to contribute upto $250 towards a machine for *legal *mirroring. I am also happy to setup and administer the machine for six months* and handoff to someone else on the list in due course.
Of course if we could get some stats on egress traffic we could make the mirror that much more useful :)
*quals: I ran one of the largest debian mirrors in the UK for 3 years
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 7:26 AM, benson orina <benson.orina@gmail.com>wrote:
kindly correct me if im wrong on this. i think one of the issues come with the packages for connectivity available i.e. the internet packages we pay for from the isps offer bandwidth to both "our" internet and "the other" internet at the same price. I recall reading something on this list about being able to get 1mbps bandwidth to kixp at a much lower cost than 1mbps to the "other" internet. I think "local" p2p is available in a sense but the connections most of us have doesn't make a huge differance to the end users like u and me. Wesley brought up this issue in a previous thread. for example if im on safaricom if i download an ubuntu iso(or any other file for that matter) from uk and if i do it from a local server i still pay the same amount. or if i make a video call to london and make a similar call to a building in town i still pay the same amount. Therefore i think that "our" internet would only come if we are talking about cheaper and faster links locally. Disclaimer: this is my current thinking based on my previous research. I do welcome any corrections on this or confirmations :) as i would be happy to be corrected.
On 24/11/2009, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
@rsohan ,
To me, the morality of whether a download is legal or illegal is inconsequential. I believe an effort to develop an infrastructure for exchanging, downloading and sharing big files is invaluable. In whichever form, it will allow for download of both legal and not so legal files.
What do you guys think?
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:21 PM, rsohan@gmail.com <rsohan@gmail.com> wrote:
Why not focus on legal downloads? For example, a local mirror of the common Linux distributions would not only be extremely useful but also economically advantageous as it saves on outbound bandwidth and encourages more people to actually give it a try.
I'm sure that if this was actually presented in a coherent, logical fashion it may even be possible to get funding from industry (CISCO, etc).
IIRC there was an effort to achieve this locally, I'm not sure if its still around though.
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 6:05 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
Great! Pentest in 43 seconds. Now this is what am talking about, anyone for a KDN server pleasse?
OK, lets split this:
1: Someone to offer space at the KDN datacenter or offer (me :-) ) Bandwidth. 2: Someone to offer a machine with really really big space. 3: Someone to offer time and effort to help us in setting up the server. 4: Some guys to volunteer to support the platform and dedicate time to maintaining data, software and add manage memberships.
We will be heading somewhere really cool.
Cheers.
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 8:53 PM, Simon Mbuthia <simon.mbuthia@gmail.com>wrote:
Cool,
To show my support for this, I have upped some pentesting eBooks thereto.
Downlinks are http://www.get.co.ke/files/get/62 for Penetration Tester's Open Source Toolkit, Vol. 2~tqw~_darksiderg.pdf [27 MB] http://www.get.co.ke/files/get/63 for The Ethical Hack A Framework for Business Value Penetration Testing~tqw~_darksiderg.pdf [4 MB]
Enjoy :)
2009/11/24 [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>
I do hope he is listening somewhere in the background. p2p is a necessary > evil, and the kind of traffic it can drive to your network is super, > not > forgetting a development like a locally made / hosted version of > something > like limewire / emule. I think it would be the best utilization of > resources. > > What thinks you? > > > On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 8:32 PM, James Muendo <timrick@gmail.com wrote: > >> I think Kai talking in a Skunkworks meeting that they can host >> something that is valuable, and this is it. Anyone at KDN lurking into >> the >> list? >> >> >> >> >> >> James Muendo >> >> Leerick Office & Tech Supplies >> >> P.O Box 28016 - 00200 >> >> Nairobi,Kenya. >> >> >> >> Phone: + 254 725 567 508 >> >> gtalk: timrick >> >> Skype: tim.rick >> >> >> >> rickdeesadvantage.blogspot.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto: >> skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] *On Behalf Of *[ Brainiac ] >> *Sent:* 24 November 2009 20:27 >> *To:* Skunkworks Forum >> *Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] Isnt it time we had torrents, p2p and file >> sharing in "our internet" ? >> >> >> >> @Lmwangi, nice website. >> >> >> >> IMHO , wananchi vs kdn, KDN!. >> >> >> >> anyone with KDN willing to offer space and bandwidth? (scrap that, >> just >> pipe in a T1 into my home in malindi :-) ) >> >> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Lmwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 4:16 PM, [ Brainiac ] < arebacollins@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> So, to start us off, Ive got the time, internet connection and skill. >> (and script to accompany the whole thing). Anyone with datacenter >> infrastructure and a rapidshare.co.ke domain? >> >> There's get.co.ke >> example: http://www.get.co.ke/files/get/59 >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> Other lists >> ------------- >> Announce: >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >> Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >> kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> Other lists >> ------------- >> Announce: >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >> Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >> kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> Other lists >> ------------- >> Announce: >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >> Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >> kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > Other lists > ------------- > Announce: > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >
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I think this is a very myopic view point. Getting infrastructure for this sort of initiative will require cooperation of big business -- ISPs, Telcos etc and starting off from the get go as an illegal file sharing network immediately eliminates their participation On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:26 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
@rsohan ,
To me, the morality of whether a download is legal or illegal is inconsequential. I believe an effort to develop an infrastructure for exchanging, downloading and sharing big files is invaluable. In whichever form, it will allow for download of both legal and not so legal files.
What do you guys think?
@RAD, when you get a huuuge internet bandwidth (like i am sometimes getting), what immediately comes to mind? I can bet to many, its a question like "how long does it take to download a torrent? or a movie , or in some cases, a really big file like the debian multi arch iso. but trust me the first reaponse has to do with downloading a file that is not necessarily legal. I think the whole concept of file sharing is here with us. On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
I think this is a very myopic view point. Getting infrastructure for this sort of initiative will require cooperation of big business -- ISPs, Telcos etc and starting off from the get go as an illegal file sharing network immediately eliminates their participation
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:26 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
@rsohan ,
To me, the morality of whether a download is legal or illegal is inconsequential. I believe an effort to develop an infrastructure for exchanging, downloading and sharing big files is invaluable. In whichever form, it will allow for download of both legal and not so legal files.
What do you guys think?
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On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 2:42 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
@RAD, when you get a huuuge internet bandwidth (like i am sometimes getting), what immediately comes to mind? I can bet to many, its a question like "how long does it take to download a torrent? or a movie , or in some cases, a really big file like the debian multi arch iso. but trust me the first reaponse has to do with downloading a file that is not necessarily legal.
I think the whole concept of file sharing is here with us.
Collins, but isn't torrenting a *user* driven initiative? Its for us to do that ourselves? Get some brave souls to start up thepiratebay.co.ke? P2P is like asking pharmaceuticals to sponsor Canabis/Cocain sales, they would never touch it with an 8 foot pole (the example is slightly exaggerated, forgive). Even for the telco's, sponsoring p2p is detrimental to their business, as we max out the band... -- With Regards, Phares Kariuki | T: +254 734 810 802 | E: pkariuki@gmail.com | Twitter: kaboro | Skype: kariukiphares |
Maybe someone in the ISPs or SEACOM or KDN should share with us info on the amount of data that flows through the ports za Utorrent, limewire and other file sharing apps. Its bad, its ugly, but its here to stay. On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 2:42 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
@RAD, when you get a huuuge internet bandwidth (like i am sometimes getting), what immediately comes to mind? I can bet to many, its a question like "how long does it take to download a torrent? or a movie , or in some cases, a really big file like the debian multi arch iso. but trust me the first reaponse has to do with downloading a file that is not necessarily legal.
I think the whole concept of file sharing is here with us.
Collins, but isn't torrenting a *user* driven initiative? Its for us to do that ourselves? Get some brave souls to start up thepiratebay.co.ke? P2P is like asking pharmaceuticals to sponsor Canabis/Cocain sales, they would never touch it with an 8 foot pole (the example is slightly exaggerated, forgive). Even for the telco's, sponsoring p2p is detrimental to their business, as we max out the band...
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No one is denying the usage of torrents. All i'm saying is be smart about getting support to set up the infrastructure. "Please, we want a fast network to be sharing movies & software" is a dead duck On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 2:51 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
Maybe someone in the ISPs or SEACOM or KDN should share with us info on the amount of data that flows through the ports za Utorrent, limewire and other file sharing apps.
Its bad, its ugly, but its here to stay.
he he he he@RAD. i do agree, but just for the heck of it, ill try till maybe someone hears, or disconnects me from their internet citing some illegible TOR like "we reserve the right to admission" :-) On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
No one is denying the usage of torrents. All i'm saying is be smart about getting support to set up the infrastructure. "Please, we want a fast network to be sharing movies & software" is a dead duck
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 2:51 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
Maybe someone in the ISPs or SEACOM or KDN should share with us info on the amount of data that flows through the ports za Utorrent, limewire and other file sharing apps.
Its bad, its ugly, but its here to stay.
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I think this is a very myopic view point. Getting infrastructure for this sort of initiative will require cooperation of big business -- ISPs, Telcos etc and starting off from the get go as an illegal file sharing network immediately eliminates their participation
I'm in agreement with this. Does anyone expect Safaricom to come up with a torrent portal? What will they put up, the latest Tahidi High episodes available for download? Why not focus on legal downloads? For example, a local mirror of the common
Linux distributions would not only be extremely useful but also economically advantageous as it saves on outbound bandwidth and encourages more people to actually give it a try.
I'm sure that if this was actually presented in a coherent, logical fashion it may even be possible to get funding from industry (CISCO, etc).
IIRC there was an effort to achieve this locally, I'm not sure if its still around though.
Yes, there was such an initiative, it's still around. Additionally someone had suggested a localised app store along with freeware from local devs. This may be a good initiative to get local software in a central place. A CNet.com for the same. Anyone who has developed a CRM etc can sell it off in this portal, with pesapal etc, it's not so farfetched.... -- With Regards, Phares Kariuki | T: +254 734 810 802 | E: pkariuki@gmail.com | Twitter: kaboro | Skype: kariukiphares |
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[ Brainiac ] -
benson orina -
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Rad! -
rsohan＠gmail.com -
Simon Mbuthia