And once again, our boys in blue make us proud.... http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/04/26/169200/kenya-police-our-fake-bomb-det... -- Regards Brian Ngure
Is there no Enginner or scientist within the police force that they run by such things? How does it even work? That should be a basic question for a $40,000 device? Was it tested? On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 12:02 AM, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote:
And once again, our boys in blue make us proud....
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/04/26/169200/kenya-police-our-fake-bomb-det...
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Dennis those are my sentiments exactly. That's why I stopped expecting any improvement in the police force until they up their standards Regards, Alex On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
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@Alex, @Dennis, That's a very shortsighted argument/justification and is hard to believe coming from you. There are so many graduates in the Police Force, besides some very bright minds who, despite having reached only Kenya Junior or KCE or KCSE, are very well informed, even more than most graduates. Being a graduate in Kenya (and even recently in the US) have been discovered to be nothing more than "mwakenya", so you guys are not going to convince me that the solutions to the improvements required in the Police Force will be the employment of graduates into their ranks. Let me dwell on the main issue though - procurement of fake equipment. You all will agree with me that in procurement, be it public or security(military, etc) there are always vested interests angling for what they see as the low-hanging fruit (for lack of a better word to describe that) and who are the ones who end up deciding how the tenders are won. I can tell you that this happens more outside the institutions of security than inside. Only a few "inside" collaborators do end up knowing what is going on in the procurement process. When the Police Force buys such a large arsenal of equipment, nothing stops these merchants of deceit from supplying a few genuine test units and containers of fake! You guys know how it goes.... Let's not blame the fiasco on education standards within the ranks. It's just to far from it. On 28 April 2013 11:59, Alex Ngatia <alex.ngatia@gmail.com> wrote:
Dennis those are my sentiments exactly. That's why I stopped expecting any improvement in the police force until they up their standards
Regards,
Alex
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You also have to note that these things were also supplied to the UN they are the ones who discovered that they never detected anything, hence the court case. If the Kenya police bought after recommendations from UN then I would cut them a slack ... the issue of them now saying they are serviceable and hence usable is a new story altogether, maybe someone in the force actually made them work ... wouldn't that be great ... :-) On 28 April 2013 12:14, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
@Alex, @Dennis,
That's a very shortsighted argument/justification and is hard to believe coming from you. There are so many graduates in the Police Force, besides some very bright minds who, despite having reached only Kenya Junior or KCE or KCSE, are very well informed, even more than most graduates. Being a graduate in Kenya (and even recently in the US) have been discovered to be nothing more than "mwakenya", so you guys are not going to convince me that the solutions to the improvements required in the Police Force will be the employment of graduates into their ranks. Let me dwell on the main issue though - procurement of fake equipment. You all will agree with me that in procurement, be it public or security(military, etc) there are always vested interests angling for what they see as the low-hanging fruit (for lack of a better word to describe that) and who are the ones who end up deciding how the tenders are won. I can tell you that this happens more outside the institutions of security than inside. Only a few "inside" collaborators do end up knowing what is going on in the procurement process. When the Police Force buys such a large arsenal of equipment, nothing stops these merchants of deceit from supplying a few genuine test units and containers of fake! You guys know how it goes.... Let's not blame the fiasco on education standards within the ranks. It's just to far from it.
On 28 April 2013 11:59, Alex Ngatia <alex.ngatia@gmail.com> wrote:
Dennis those are my sentiments exactly. That's why I stopped expecting any improvement in the police force until they up their standards
Regards,
Alex
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Remember policebrecruitment is pegged on scoring "D and above“ in
National
secondary examinations and your ability to outrun those who turn up for the mass recruitment.
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I said nothing about graduates here. I said “D and above." If you scored B or A and you really want to join the force, you have toboutrun D guys. Also, if you scored better grades, you are likely to get better terms of service elsewhere. Also, as you pointed out, a graduate may not mean anything, hence same argument applies for graduates in the police force. So should we be happy that our police force fell for the same ruse as UN. Shouldn't we have been happy in a situatition where the force warned the UN? Remember, there are non-specific terror alerts in Uganda and Burundi. The force is supposed to pre-empt such attacks, not arrest 500 suspects after 5 attackers kill 20 in Garissa. Why does Garissa not have an instant reponse team despite repeated attacks? Wash, please approach the issue logically, not emotionally. A police spokesperson earleir this year commented that the force is not a place for academic rejects. On Apr 28, 2013 12:28 PM, "Watson Kambo" <wkwats@gmail.com> wrote:
You also have to note that these things were also supplied to the UN they are the ones who discovered that they never detected anything, hence the court case. If the Kenya police bought after recommendations from UN then I would cut them a slack ... the issue of them now saying they are serviceable and hence usable is a new story altogether, maybe someone in the force actually made them work ... wouldn't that be great ... :-)
On 28 April 2013 12:14, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
@Alex, @Dennis,
That's a very shortsighted argument/justification and is hard to believe coming from you. There are so many graduates in the Police Force, besides some very bright minds who, despite having reached only Kenya Junior or KCE or KCSE, are very well informed, even more than most graduates. Being a graduate in Kenya (and even recently in the US) have been discovered to be nothing more than "mwakenya", so you guys are not going to convince me that the solutions to the improvements required in the Police Force will be the employment of graduates into their ranks. Let me dwell on the main issue though - procurement of fake equipment. You all will agree with me that in procurement, be it public or security(military, etc) there are always vested interests angling for what they see as the low-hanging fruit (for lack of a better word to describe that) and who are the ones who end up deciding how the tenders are won. I can tell you that this happens more outside the institutions of security than inside. Only a few "inside" collaborators do end up knowing what is going on in the procurement process. When the Police Force buys such a large arsenal of equipment, nothing stops these merchants of deceit from supplying a few genuine test units and containers of fake! You guys know how it goes.... Let's not blame the fiasco on education standards within the ranks. It's just to far from it.
On 28 April 2013 11:59, Alex Ngatia <alex.ngatia@gmail.com> wrote:
Dennis those are my sentiments exactly. That's why I stopped expecting any improvement in the police force until they up their standards
Regards,
Alex
On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Remember policebrecruitment is pegged on scoring "D and above“ in
National
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Hi Dennis, The inference one would make from your single statement/sentence is enormous. Please agree with me on that. If only you thought about that. I am not being emotional as there is nothing for me to lose as an individual from the apparent scandal. I was only trying to correct something I thought was a misnomer in your statement, which was ably supported by Alex. Maybe we should also ask Alex what he took your statement to mean:) You said "D and above...and your ability to outrun..." That alone to me meant a few things as pertains/relates to the issue at hand. It simply means/implies "their lack of proper qualifications to make coherent decisions" as a result of being picked from lowly academic grades. It also implies that the most of them were recruited due to their running abilities as opposed to grades consideration. Well, we are entitled to opinions and interpretations and some could be wrong, but I doubt am far away from the truth on this one:) Now allow me to take you on on this - "Also, if you scored better grades, you are likely to get better terms of service elsewhere." Think about it. There are professionals within the Police ranks. Some are there by choice, not just because their grades could not take them to other places with better terms of service. Some just want to serve. Some went there because they had not landed jobs elsewhere at the time the opportunity presented itself. Tell me if anyone with good grades is always guaranteed a job with better terms, and where? I am happy, though, that you changed tone - according to my interpretation:) On 28 April 2013 12:58, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
I said nothing about graduates here.
I said “D and above." If you scored B or A and you really want to join the force, you have toboutrun D guys.
Also, if you scored better grades, you are likely to get better terms of service elsewhere.
Also, as you pointed out, a graduate may not mean anything, hence same argument applies for graduates in the police force.
So should we be happy that our police force fell for the same ruse as UN. Shouldn't we have been happy in a situatition where the force warned the UN?
Remember, there are non-specific terror alerts in Uganda and Burundi. The force is supposed to pre-empt such attacks, not arrest 500 suspects after 5 attackers kill 20 in Garissa. Why does Garissa not have an instant reponse team despite repeated attacks?
Wash, please approach the issue logically, not emotionally.
A police spokesperson earleir this year commented that the force is not a place for academic rejects.
On Apr 28, 2013 12:28 PM, "Watson Kambo" <wkwats@gmail.com> wrote:
You also have to note that these things were also supplied to the UN they are the ones who discovered that they never detected anything, hence the court case. If the Kenya police bought after recommendations from UN then I would cut them a slack ... the issue of them now saying they are serviceable and hence usable is a new story altogether, maybe someone in the force actually made them work ... wouldn't that be great ... :-)
On 28 April 2013 12:14, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
@Alex, @Dennis,
That's a very shortsighted argument/justification and is hard to believe coming from you. There are so many graduates in the Police Force, besides some very bright minds who, despite having reached only Kenya Junior or KCE or KCSE, are very well informed, even more than most graduates. Being a graduate in Kenya (and even recently in the US) have been discovered to be nothing more than "mwakenya", so you guys are not going to convince me that the solutions to the improvements required in the Police Force will be the employment of graduates into their ranks. Let me dwell on the main issue though - procurement of fake equipment. You all will agree with me that in procurement, be it public or security(military, etc) there are always vested interests angling for what they see as the low-hanging fruit (for lack of a better word to describe that) and who are the ones who end up deciding how the tenders are won. I can tell you that this happens more outside the institutions of security than inside. Only a few "inside" collaborators do end up knowing what is going on in the procurement process. When the Police Force buys such a large arsenal of equipment, nothing stops these merchants of deceit from supplying a few genuine test units and containers of fake! You guys know how it goes.... Let's not blame the fiasco on education standards within the ranks. It's just to far from it.
On 28 April 2013 11:59, Alex Ngatia <alex.ngatia@gmail.com> wrote:
Dennis those are my sentiments exactly. That's why I stopped expecting any improvement in the police force until they up their standards
Regards,
Alex
On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
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However much we like to run away from the fact, academic performance has a strong correlation to performance in the real world, especially when it comes to reasoning out things. Hence why those who won businesses employ clever people :-) Good example is the rules deployed to combat traffic in Nairobi. Mombasa road matatus are not allowed to use any other routes besides Mombasa road and Uhuru Highway to get to town. This remains even if there is a tailback all the way to General Motors. It's normally faster to approach town via Lusaka road and Landhies road due to fewer roundabouts an dteh fact that the matatus are all headed to Railways or bus station. That's just an example, but do remember criminals are also clever, and will engage police in games of wit. The running in recruitment of police has lead to one positive result - Kenya Police is the top institution globally when it comes to producing top performing athletes. As for saying that some police officers are there cause of passion - many who would like to be police officers are not because of the lack of incentives and poor selection. This is what I ma pointing out which you are defending, thus defeating your argument. We have to accept that we put people desperate for a job because of unemployment in the force, rather than people who loved to be policemen. The sooner we accept that there are better ways of recruiting police officers, and we give them incentives, we will have a better force and safer country.
Hello peace loving Skunks, I have been following this thread and thought I could contribute something to it. My opinion is that both @Dennis and @Wash are right, its only that they are not looking at things in not quite the same fashion. The thing is that there is a huge difference between being educated and literate. What Dennis is pointing at _is_ in fact literacy and Washington is strongly in support of an *education*. From what I understand, an education is what someone remains with after "forgetting" everything you were taught in school, like most of us now. What you are taught in school especially in the early days actually forms a big part of someone's *literacy*. Being *learned* is a different concept altogether. What Dennis is referring to as *cleverness* actually has little in relation to what you learn from your teachers and has more to do with creativity and innate aptitude / ability. Those are things that you can do without being taught which you can see as native *intelligence*. This could imply that in a way, what you go to do in a University may have low to zero direct impact on your performance in your official duties at work. This is where I see a split in opinions between what Wash is saying and Dennis' main premise. Lastly, in some countries especially in the developed world it is almost mandatory that members of the disciplined forces have a degree from a University at a bare minimum. In Canada being a member of the police force is actually more prestigious than being a qualified medical doctor. In such places you have policemen and women who make an effort to find out where you live in case you are staggering home in the dark trying to discover where you live late at night ........ ;-) Martin. On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 3:44 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
However much we like to run away from the fact, academic performance has a strong correlation to performance in the real world, especially when it comes to reasoning out things. Hence why those who won businesses employ clever people :-)
Good example is the rules deployed to combat traffic in Nairobi. Mombasa road matatus are not allowed to use any other routes besides Mombasa road and Uhuru Highway to get to town. This remains even if there is a tailback all the way to General Motors. It's normally faster to approach town via Lusaka road and Landhies road due to fewer roundabouts an dteh fact that the matatus are all headed to Railways or bus station.
That's just an example, but do remember criminals are also clever, and will engage police in games of wit.
The running in recruitment of police has lead to one positive result - Kenya Police is the top institution globally when it comes to producing top performing athletes.
As for saying that some police officers are there cause of passion - many who would like to be police officers are not because of the lack of incentives and poor selection. This is what I ma pointing out which you are defending, thus defeating your argument.
We have to accept that we put people desperate for a job because of unemployment in the force, rather than people who loved to be policemen.
The sooner we accept that there are better ways of recruiting police officers, and we give them incentives, we will have a better force and safer country.
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Just one last thing on a very very light note, On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote:
Hello peace loving Skunks,
I have been following this thread and thought I could contribute something to it.
My opinion is that both @Dennis and @Wash are right, its only that they are not looking at things in not quite the same fashion. The thing is that there is a huge difference between being educated and literate. What Dennis is pointing at _is_ in fact literacy and Washington is strongly in support of an *education*. From what I understand, an education is what someone remains with after "forgetting" everything you were taught in school, like most of us now. What you are taught in school especially in the early days actually forms a big part of someone's *literacy*. Being *learned* is a different concept altogether.
What Dennis is referring to as *cleverness* actually has little in relation to what you learn from your teachers and has more to do with creativity and innate aptitude / ability. Those are things that you can do without being taught which you can see as native *intelligence*. This could imply that in a way, what you go to do in a University may have low to zero direct impact on your performance in your official duties at work. This is where I see a split in opinions between what Wash is saying and Dennis' main premise.
Lastly, in some countries especially in the developed world it is almost mandatory that members of the disciplined forces have a degree from a University at a bare minimum. In Canada being a member of the police force is actually more prestigious than being a qualified medical doctor. In such places you have policemen and women who make an effort to find out where you live in case you are staggering home in the dark trying to discover where you live late at night ........ ;-)
In stark contrast, this is the calibre of character that our men and women in blue attracts most of the time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMKMCgoi4oY
Martin.
On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 3:44 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
However much we like to run away from the fact, academic performance has a strong correlation to performance in the real world, especially when it comes to reasoning out things. Hence why those who won businesses employ clever people :-)
Good example is the rules deployed to combat traffic in Nairobi. Mombasa road matatus are not allowed to use any other routes besides Mombasa road and Uhuru Highway to get to town. This remains even if there is a tailback all the way to General Motors. It's normally faster to approach town via Lusaka road and Landhies road due to fewer roundabouts an dteh fact that the matatus are all headed to Railways or bus station.
That's just an example, but do remember criminals are also clever, and will engage police in games of wit.
The running in recruitment of police has lead to one positive result - Kenya Police is the top institution globally when it comes to producing top performing athletes.
As for saying that some police officers are there cause of passion - many who would like to be police officers are not because of the lack of incentives and poor selection. This is what I ma pointing out which you are defending, thus defeating your argument.
We have to accept that we put people desperate for a job because of unemployment in the force, rather than people who loved to be policemen.
The sooner we accept that there are better ways of recruiting police officers, and we give them incentives, we will have a better force and safer country.
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This is quite nuts ! Why would they service a gadget that has already been identified as a 'dowsing rod'? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowsing_rod#Dowsing_rods Do we have lunatics at the force?
Wash, The guys I meant are the ones who I suspect (and here I would be assuming) ended their education at F4, and probably just met the threshold of intake. The reason I say this is from the ones I've interacted with, quite a large percentage you cannot argue with or make to see reason. I don't know if it's because of their education level or just culture of the police force. Same situation that happens in traffic. I know it's wrong to put a blanket judgement on the whole force but I guess it's my frustration Regards, Alex On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 1:41 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
This is quite nuts ! Why would they service a gadget that has already been identified as a 'dowsing rod'?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowsing_rod#Dowsing_rods
Do we have lunatics at the force?
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@Dennis, Just because you couldn't run fast enough to get selected when you went for recruitment doesn't mean you have to rubbish the calibre of our police. :P Mblayo On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Alex Ngatia <alex.ngatia@gmail.com> wrote:
Wash,
The guys I meant are the ones who I suspect (and here I would be assuming) ended their education at F4, and probably just met the threshold of intake. The reason I say this is from the ones I've interacted with, quite a large percentage you cannot argue with or make to see reason. I don't know if it's because of their education level or just culture of the police force. Same situation that happens in traffic. I know it's wrong to put a blanket judgement on the whole force but I guess it's my frustration
Regards,
Alex
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 1:41 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
This is quite nuts ! Why would they service a gadget that has already been identified as a 'dowsing rod'?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowsing_rod#Dowsing_rods
Do we have lunatics at the force?
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Chasing people is on the job description. On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com>wrote:
@Dennis,
Just because you couldn't run fast enough to get selected when you went for recruitment doesn't mean you have to rubbish the calibre of our police.
:P
Mblayo
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Alex Ngatia <alex.ngatia@gmail.com>wrote:
Wash,
The guys I meant are the ones who I suspect (and here I would be assuming) ended their education at F4, and probably just met the threshold of intake. The reason I say this is from the ones I've interacted with, quite a large percentage you cannot argue with or make to see reason. I don't know if it's because of their education level or just culture of the police force. Same situation that happens in traffic. I know it's wrong to put a blanket judgement on the whole force but I guess it's my frustration
Regards,
Alex
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 1:41 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
This is quite nuts ! Why would they service a gadget that has already been identified as a 'dowsing rod'?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowsing_rod#Dowsing_rods
Do we have lunatics at the force?
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@Njenga, Wrong! Tell me why anyone should be chased - like chicken. Isn't there a tactful way to effect arrest? I can tell you that chasing is the most unnecessary thing these guys do. They have the right to summon anyone to the Police Station. This can be done through the administrative channels or even your relatives. No need to run after anyone. On 30 April 2013 10:24, Francis Njenga <korefn@gmail.com> wrote:
Chasing people is on the job description.
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com>wrote:
@Dennis,
Just because you couldn't run fast enough to get selected when you went for recruitment doesn't mean you have to rubbish the calibre of our police.
:P
Mblayo
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Alex Ngatia <alex.ngatia@gmail.com>wrote:
Wash,
The guys I meant are the ones who I suspect (and here I would be assuming) ended their education at F4, and probably just met the threshold of intake. The reason I say this is from the ones I've interacted with, quite a large percentage you cannot argue with or make to see reason. I don't know if it's because of their education level or just culture of the police force. Same situation that happens in traffic. I know it's wrong to put a blanket judgement on the whole force but I guess it's my frustration
Regards,
Alex
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 1:41 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com
wrote:
This is quite nuts ! Why would they service a gadget that has already been identified as a 'dowsing rod'?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowsing_rod#Dowsing_rods
Do we have lunatics at the force?
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People, running is not the only way to secure a place in the police force. Those are service men who are recruited like that for obvious reasons. You need able bodied men and women patrolling the streets. I have seen several adverts in the past advertising for specialists to join the police. They usually want graduates professionals such as doctors, surveyors engineers etc. I doubt your marathon skills are important here. You are also unlikely to find a specialist manning a roadblock. On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
@Njenga,
Wrong!
Tell me why anyone should be chased - like chicken. Isn't there a tactful way to effect arrest? I can tell you that chasing is the most unnecessary thing these guys do. They have the right to summon anyone to the Police Station. This can be done through the administrative channels or even your relatives. No need to run after anyone.
On 30 April 2013 10:24, Francis Njenga <korefn@gmail.com> wrote:
Chasing people is on the job description.
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com>wrote:
@Dennis,
Just because you couldn't run fast enough to get selected when you went for recruitment doesn't mean you have to rubbish the calibre of our police.
:P
Mblayo
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Alex Ngatia <alex.ngatia@gmail.com>wrote:
Wash,
The guys I meant are the ones who I suspect (and here I would be assuming) ended their education at F4, and probably just met the threshold of intake. The reason I say this is from the ones I've interacted with, quite a large percentage you cannot argue with or make to see reason. I don't know if it's because of their education level or just culture of the police force. Same situation that happens in traffic. I know it's wrong to put a blanket judgement on the whole force but I guess it's my frustration
Regards,
Alex
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 1:41 PM, ndungu stephen < ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote:
This is quite nuts ! Why would they service a gadget that has already been identified as a 'dowsing rod'?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowsing_rod#Dowsing_rods
Do we have lunatics at the force?
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Let's develop a system ... On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
People, running is not the only way to secure a place in the police force. Those are service men who are recruited like that for obvious reasons. You need able bodied men and women patrolling the streets. I have seen several adverts in the past advertising for specialists to join the police.
They usually want graduates professionals such as doctors, surveyors engineers etc. I doubt your marathon skills are important here. You are also unlikely to find a specialist manning a roadblock.
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
@Njenga,
Wrong!
Tell me why anyone should be chased - like chicken. Isn't there a tactful way to effect arrest? I can tell you that chasing is the most unnecessary thing these guys do. They have the right to summon anyone to the Police Station. This can be done through the administrative channels or even your relatives. No need to run after anyone.
On 30 April 2013 10:24, Francis Njenga <korefn@gmail.com> wrote:
Chasing people is on the job description.
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com
wrote:
@Dennis,
Just because you couldn't run fast enough to get selected when you went for recruitment doesn't mean you have to rubbish the calibre of our police.
:P
Mblayo
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Alex Ngatia <alex.ngatia@gmail.com>wrote:
Wash,
The guys I meant are the ones who I suspect (and here I would be assuming) ended their education at F4, and probably just met the threshold of intake. The reason I say this is from the ones I've interacted with, quite a large percentage you cannot argue with or make to see reason. I don't know if it's because of their education level or just culture of the police force. Same situation that happens in traffic. I know it's wrong to put a blanket judgement on the whole force but I guess it's my frustration
Regards,
Alex
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 1:41 PM, ndungu stephen < ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote:
This is quite nuts ! Why would they service a gadget that has already been identified as a 'dowsing rod'?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowsing_rod#Dowsing_rods
Do we have lunatics at the force?
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Hi again, I assumed people on the list actually followed the link and read the post. Unfortunately most people seem to have not, just like other regular Slashdotters .... 8-D This comment says it all ....... http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3689989&cid=43558963 I will copy and paste it here for those who cannot go and read it for some reason. " *Police work in any country is more about the appearance of security than actual security. It doesn't matter if it works. It only matters if it keeps people calm.* *I'm not advocating this as the way it should be, just the way it is. We'd all actually be safer if we switched to evidence based policing. But then the government couldn't get away with shit like the War on Drug Users.* " Sorry for the fonts in bold. I just hope it kicks away the arguments about muscular policewomen and men prowling the streets, or the highly athletic ones once and for all. We are talking about cops here a.k.a custodians of the Law, not night club bouncers. On second thoughts, the comment above actually reinforces that idea ....... Martin. On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Tech List Kenya <techlistkenya@gmail.com>wrote:
Let's develop a system ...
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
People, running is not the only way to secure a place in the police force. Those are service men who are recruited like that for obvious reasons. You need able bodied men and women patrolling the streets. I have seen several adverts in the past advertising for specialists to join the police.
They usually want graduates professionals such as doctors, surveyors engineers etc. I doubt your marathon skills are important here. You are also unlikely to find a specialist manning a roadblock.
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com
wrote:
@Njenga,
Wrong!
Tell me why anyone should be chased - like chicken. Isn't there a tactful way to effect arrest? I can tell you that chasing is the most unnecessary thing these guys do. They have the right to summon anyone to the Police Station. This can be done through the administrative channels or even your relatives. No need to run after anyone.
On 30 April 2013 10:24, Francis Njenga <korefn@gmail.com> wrote:
Chasing people is on the job description.
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe < blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:
@Dennis,
Just because you couldn't run fast enough to get selected when you went for recruitment doesn't mean you have to rubbish the calibre of our police.
:P
Mblayo
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Alex Ngatia <alex.ngatia@gmail.com>wrote:
Wash,
The guys I meant are the ones who I suspect (and here I would be assuming) ended their education at F4, and probably just met the threshold of intake. The reason I say this is from the ones I've interacted with, quite a large percentage you cannot argue with or make to see reason. I don't know if it's because of their education level or just culture of the police force. Same situation that happens in traffic. I know it's wrong to put a blanket judgement on the whole force but I guess it's my frustration
Regards,
Alex
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 1:41 PM, ndungu stephen < ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote:
> This is quite nuts ! > Why would they service a gadget that has already been identified as > a 'dowsing rod'? > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowsing_rod#Dowsing_rods > > Do we have lunatics at the force? > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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*Another way to chase criminals is to use "boda bodas" - if the police issued motorbikes are too expensive.* * * *In Kenya, the only police who we actually see or feel their impact is traffic police. Or "security police" on traffic at night. Same thing.* * * *Thats where the money is :-)* * *
The fact that these same policemen and women are promoted to be detectives is the the reason why "evidence based policing" will not work. High IQ, problem solving capabilities, strong will, integrity, physically and psychologically healthy would all be qualities of a police officer. The Kenyan populace would have to reinvent it entire structures, crooked or otherwise, to be able to have such a force. Something tells me it's not that easy... [?] On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 11:43 AM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
*Another way to chase criminals is to use "boda bodas" - if the police issued motorbikes are too expensive.* * * *In Kenya, the only police who we actually see or feel their impact is traffic police. Or "security police" on traffic at night. Same thing.* * * *Thats where the money is :-)* * *
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More news on this story. Will the Kenya police still say the devices work? I wonder.... http://www.nation.co.ke/News/Jim-McCormick-jailed-for-selling-fake-detectors... On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Francis Njenga <korefn@gmail.com> wrote:
The fact that these same policemen and women are promoted to be detectives is the the reason why "evidence based policing" will not work. High IQ, problem solving capabilities, strong will, integrity, physically and psychologically healthy would all be qualities of a police officer. The Kenyan populace would have to reinvent it entire structures, crooked or otherwise, to be able to have such a force.
Something tells me it's not that easy... [?]
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*Another way to chase criminals is to use "boda bodas" - if the police issued motorbikes are too expensive.* * * *In Kenya, the only police who we actually see or feel their impact is traffic police. Or "security police" on traffic at night. Same thing.* * * *Thats where the money is :-)* * *
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More news on this story. Will the Kenya police still say the devices work? I wonder....
http://www.nation.co.ke/News/Jim-McCormick-jailed-for-selling-fake-detectors...
Unless the Media confronts them - "Repairing" those Magic Wands is another way to use procuring to release money. When the money will be released, you can bet how much will be used for the actual repair. Remember IEBC ??
Maybe they do work, but then again, its all about self deception. all you have to do is to point them in the direction where you already know the drugs or explosives are and it will work.. http://www.ted.com/talks/michael_shermer_on_believing_strange_things.html Vincent Wayodi Email: wayodi@gmail.com Linkedin: *www.linkedin.com/in/wayodi* On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 6:32 AM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
More news on this story. Will the Kenya police still say the devices work?
I wonder....
http://www.nation.co.ke/News/Jim-McCormick-jailed-for-selling-fake-detectors...
Unless the Media confronts them - "Repairing" those Magic Wands is another way to use procuring to release money. When the money will be released, you can bet how much will be used for the actual repair. Remember IEBC ??
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Guys These funny characters-sorry for this mode of explanation,only lack COMMON SENSE. There is too much show off to public to earn bonga points which am sure when/where they redeem them ________________________________ From: Francis Njenga <korefn@gmail.com> To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Tuesday, 30 April 2013, 10:24 Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Kenya police on /. Chasing people is on the job description. On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote: @Dennis,
Just because you couldn't run fast enough to get selected when you went for recruitment doesn't mean you have to rubbish the calibre of our police.
:P
Mblayo
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Alex Ngatia <alex.ngatia@gmail.com> wrote:
Wash,
The guys I meant are the ones who I suspect (and here I would be assuming) ended their education at F4, and probably just met the threshold of intake. The reason I say this is from the ones I've interacted with, quite a large percentage you cannot argue with or make to see reason. I don't know if it's because of their education level or just culture of the police force. Same situation that happens in traffic. I know it's wrong to put a blanket judgement on the whole force but I guess it's my frustration
Regards,
Alex
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 1:41 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote:
This is quite nuts !
Why would they service a gadget that has already been identified as a 'dowsing rod'?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowsing_rod#Dowsing_rods
Do we have lunatics at the force?
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@Alex, When it comes to interactions with the boys/gals in blue, it's true that most (not all) Police Officers do not meet the threshold of intelligent reasoning, are less civil, obnoxious. It's something to do with one of three things: 1. Their training - is normally very abusive and lacks respect. The instructors are beasts 2. Inferiority complex - most of them do not quite believe they are in a "job" like everyone else. They always feel belittled (their imagination, I think) and so try to be seen as "super-humans", just because they wield the force of law. 3. Society has made the officers of the Kenya Police seem like demi gods. Almost everyone (me excluded) approaches them with fear, which makes them feel like they are in the sky. It would be great if everyone thought of them as their brothers/sisters, etc and demanded decorum from their behaviour. When it comes to procurement, corruption is everywhere. EVERYWHERE! It doesn't matter up to what level someone went got educated. On 29 April 2013 14:46, Alex Ngatia <alex.ngatia@gmail.com> wrote:
Wash,
The guys I meant are the ones who I suspect (and here I would be assuming) ended their education at F4, and probably just met the threshold of intake. The reason I say this is from the ones I've interacted with, quite a large percentage you cannot argue with or make to see reason. I don't know if it's because of their education level or just culture of the police force. Same situation that happens in traffic. I know it's wrong to put a blanket judgement on the whole force but I guess it's my frustration
Regards,
Alex
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 1:41 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
This is quite nuts ! Why would they service a gadget that has already been identified as a 'dowsing rod'?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowsing_rod#Dowsing_rods
Do we have lunatics at the force?
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