Dear World Bank and Donor Communities..Please INNOVATE your processes for the sake of the future of developing countries
At the end of the day, it is the citizens of developing countries that are left with the end results of Bad Debt, Corruption and Repayments. Let the citizens of developing countries decide how the World Bank and Donor Communities funds will help achieve the future goals of each country. Create an innovative and transparent process around what citizens want. Remove the empowerment of such decisions from govt officials. Innovate for a better investments and policies through citizen empowerment of decisons and funds distributions. -- The EL_Diablo is a metaphor...
@AKI i think you have overused this word "Innovate". Im convinced i no longer know what it means, thanks to you... On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 11:00 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
At the end of the day, it is the citizens of developing countries that are left with the end results of Bad Debt, Corruption and Repayments. Let the citizens of developing countries decide how the World Bank and Donor Communities funds will help achieve the future goals of each country. Create an innovative and transparent process around what citizens want. Remove the empowerment of such decisions from govt officials.
Innovate for a better investments and policies through citizen empowerment of decisons and funds distributions.
-- The EL_Diablo is a metaphor...
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On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 11:06 AM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
@AKI i think you have overused this word "Innovate". Im convinced i no longer know what it means, thanks to you...
@Brainiac, you've hit a laughter cord here :-))))) . Haiya, according to google, Kenya Innovation = About 18,100,000 results. Now I'm just adding to the final of those results. I too no longer know what innovation means except a definition from the EU Innovation clip. But seriously, WB and Donor Communities need to look and work out ways where the govt officials and politicans are removed from the entire process, leaving Citizens empowerment to decide on what projects need money that can build future nations. Me thots. :-) -- The EL_Diablo is a metaphor...
The world bank and donor communities serve no-one else's interest other than their host countries. Otherwise the refugee crises would have been long over and there wouldn't be any 'developing countries' . if the worldbank was genuine in fixing africa then they would have done what the Chinese are doing, provide funding and technical expertise in building infrastructure. Back in '06 when there was food shortage, the president clearly stated that the problem was not lack of food, it was logistics for transport and distribution. Build roads, Railway lines, Ports etc and most of the wastage in the agricultural areas ceases and farmers get value for effort. All these years of Worldbank funding have just sprouted an NGO sector that only applies Elastoplast to bone fractures. On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 11:20 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 11:06 AM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
@AKI i think you have overused this word "Innovate". Im convinced i no longer know what it means, thanks to you...
@Brainiac, you've hit a laughter cord here :-))))) . Haiya, according to google, Kenya Innovation = About 18,100,000 results. Now I'm just adding to the final of those results. I too no longer know what innovation means except a definition from the EU Innovation clip.
But seriously, WB and Donor Communities need to look and work out ways where the govt officials and politicans are removed from the entire process, leaving Citizens empowerment to decide on what projects need money that can build future nations.
Me thots. :-)
-- The EL_Diablo is a metaphor...
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aki you sound naive putting it that way. as i mentioned in days past, "Confessions of an economic hitman", look for it and read it. On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 11:20 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 11:06 AM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
@AKI i think you have overused this word "Innovate". Im convinced i no longer know what it means, thanks to you...
@Brainiac, you've hit a laughter cord here :-))))) . Haiya, according to google, Kenya Innovation = About 18,100,000 results. Now I'm just adding to the final of those results. I too no longer know what innovation means except a definition from the EU Innovation clip.
But seriously, WB and Donor Communities need to look and work out ways where the govt officials and politicans are removed from the entire process, leaving Citizens empowerment to decide on what projects need money that can build future nations.
Me thots. :-)
-- The EL_Diablo is a metaphor...
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You can get a copy of "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" by John Perkins here : http://www.4shared.com/document/ddxvGdeU/Perkins_John_-_Confessions_of_.html What happened to our own http://get.co.ke ? On 27 June 2011 12:03, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
aki you sound naive putting it that way. as i mentioned in days past, "Confessions of an economic hitman", look for it and read it.
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 11:20 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 11:06 AM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
@AKI i think you have overused this word "Innovate". Im convinced i no longer know what it means, thanks to you...
@Brainiac, you've hit a laughter cord here :-))))) . Haiya, according to google, Kenya Innovation = About 18,100,000 results. Now I'm just adding to the final of those results. I too no longer know what innovation means except a definition from the EU Innovation clip.
But seriously, WB and Donor Communities need to look and work out ways where the govt officials and politicans are removed from the entire process, leaving Citizens empowerment to decide on what projects need money that can build future nations.
Me thots. :-)
-- The EL_Diablo is a metaphor...
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~ Alex Carey ~
Tel No: 0x2af23696
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@aki here is an objective summary. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessions_of_an_Economic_Hit_Man On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 12:48 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
What happened to our own http://get.co.ke ?
IT WORKS!
-- *“The twentieth century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: the growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy”* ~ Alex Carey ~ Tel No: 0x2af23696
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 12:53 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
@aki here is an objective summary. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessions_of_an_Economic_Hit_Man
@Brainiac, thnks much. I'm already downloading the pdf link that @kyalo wrote .... :-) BTW, anyone know who writes or wrote the budget? Rgds.
I also find that the fall of the Soviet Union (Economic stagnation contributed to the downfall) and the resultant free fall of the Russian economy leading to it's total collapse in 1998 also has some important national economic lessons. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_post-Soviet_Russia
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 12:03 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
aki you sound naive putting it that way. as i mentioned in days past, "Confessions of an economic hitman", look for it and read it.
@Brainiac, for someone like me who has spent literally many years buried in tech stuff, it takes time to look at all the problems arounds us. Thnks for the book reference and will have a read, hopefully its not based on a consipracy theory. At the end of the day, as a citizen if am asked to be part of a poll where the entire country projects for developments are listed, I'd have no problem paying taxes for loans just to ensure that some kenyan in a poor district is able to afford the basics of life and that they also see an opportunity of growth. If citizens can decide on funds distributions and tracking, no amount of politics nor other schemes can derail any positive development and there will no longer be issues like continuity. :-) World Bank and Donors need to wake up, stop choking and killing the developing world slowly. Seriously we need to start thinking of ways to start a process of dialogue with Donor Communities and World Bank officials--minus govt officials and politicians. @Kyalo : Thnks for the link. :-) Rgds. -- The EL_Diablo is a metaphor...
@aki its based on cospiracy theory all right. At least thats the logical assumption to make, but read it forensically then ask yourself... can one man, mad as he is create that kind of storyline and sustain it with evidence that fits that well... aither way youll not be dissapointed, if not to just see what the west thinks of us.... On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 12:35 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 12:03 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
aki you sound naive putting it that way. as i mentioned in days past, "Confessions of an economic hitman", look for it and read it.
@Brainiac, for someone like me who has spent literally many years buried in tech stuff, it takes time to look at all the problems arounds us. Thnks for the book reference and will have a read, hopefully its not based on a consipracy theory. At the end of the day, as a citizen if am asked to be part of a poll where the entire country projects for developments are listed, I'd have no problem paying taxes for loans just to ensure that some kenyan in a poor district is able to afford the basics of life and that they also see an opportunity of growth. If citizens can decide on funds distributions and tracking, no amount of politics nor other schemes can derail any positive development and there will no longer be issues like continuity. :-)
World Bank and Donors need to wake up, stop choking and killing the developing world slowly. Seriously we need to start thinking of ways to start a process of dialogue with Donor Communities and World Bank officials--minus govt officials and politicians.
@Kyalo : Thnks for the link. :-)
Rgds.
-- The EL_Diablo is a metaphor...
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On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 12:35 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote: [...]
World Bank and Donors need to wake up, stop choking and killing the developing world slowly. Seriously we need to start thinking of ways to start a process of dialogue with Donor Communities and World Bank officials--minus govt officials and politicians.
WB and donors won't - it's not in their interests. It's the developing world that needs to wake up. What we need is responsible and accountable governance, run by people with a mindset that will reduce our reliance on aid, opting instead for trade. People who understand that western aid actually does more harm than good. Remember the structural adjustment programmes that brought us to our knees. The money we were losing to corruption then could have gone a long way in empowering the same people these programmes impoverished in the end. There's a lot of info pointing to the failure of aid to uplift the situation of the common man. http://www.cato.org/pubs/journal/cj29n3/cj29n3-1.pdf http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/ForeignAid.html - Great references to read more on this http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23927633-western-aid-now-does... http://www.dambisamoyo.com/books/?book=dead-aid And there's tons more. I'm digging for some article somewhere that pointed to Rwanda's decreasing reliance on aid which should be a lesson for us and others. Regards, Steve
@Areba, @Muchai and others. Thank you for the insights and I believe the time has come on a key fact we hold one of the strongest points that need an input from millions of kenyans. If kenyans can take away the World Bank and Donor funding involvement from govt officials and politicians and pass on to say Parliament to handle with inputs and debates from citizens, we are going to be able to go to the grassroots levels and affect development there. I believe govts are there to serve people and not the other way around. You took the process of innovation,creativity and localization, hope and the claim to create and push our minds from us, now we are going to use the same energy and passion to take the decision making and involvement process away from you. I'm going to put my development and learning time on hold for now, and am going to publish a plan and way forward on this matter because I now believe the tipping point has come for technology and skunks to *stink* the sh.t out of long term issues. Since we are heading to an election year in the months ahead, there will be no better time than to act now and be decisively heard. Which political party will take us seriously and implement the changes in the new govt? Will the corporate world and media support us because we need you. We must not waste time anymore on but be decisive on how we want the message to become loud and clear. Gentlemen, Ladies of this list. I'd like to thank all those who created the problems around us because the awakening is just about to start. Your thoughts and words are most welcome. If you sit on the fence on this one, then hold your silence forever on such matters. Let us think and discuss on how we need to approach this matter. Some thots. Rgds. :-)
I'm glad to see a number of people who've read the book.... When stuff like what's going in in Libya happens, I understand - thanks to John Perkins. I learnt about the book from this link [ http://www.ennex.com/~Marshall/sophics/Kenya.asp ] which is also a good read if you love to know what goes on in the "global underground". On 27 June 2011 21:58, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Areba, @Muchai and others. Thank you for the insights and I believe the time has come on a key fact we hold one of the strongest points that need an input from millions of kenyans. If kenyans can take away the World Bank and Donor funding involvement from govt officials and politicians and pass on to say Parliament to handle with inputs and debates from citizens, we are going to be able to go to the grassroots levels and affect development there. I believe govts are there to serve people and not the other way around. You took the process of innovation,creativity and localization, hope and the claim to create and push our minds from us, now we are going to use the same energy and passion to take the decision making and involvement process away from you.
I'm going to put my development and learning time on hold for now, and am going to publish a plan and way forward on this matter because I now believe the tipping point has come for technology and skunks to *stink* the sh.t out of long term issues. Since we are heading to an election year in the months ahead, there will be no better time than to act now and be decisively heard. Which political party will take us seriously and implement the changes in the new govt? Will the corporate world and media support us because we need you. We must not waste time anymore on but be decisive on how we want the message to become loud and clear.
Gentlemen, Ladies of this list. I'd like to thank all those who created the problems around us because the awakening is just about to start. Your thoughts and words are most welcome. If you sit on the fence on this one, then hold your silence forever on such matters.
Let us think and discuss on how we need to approach this matter.
Some thots.
Rgds. :-)
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On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Simon Mbuthia <simon.mbuthia@gmail.com>wrote:
I'm glad to see a number of people who've read the book.... When stuff like what's going in in Libya happens, I understand - thanks to John Perkins. I learnt about the book from this link [ http://www.ennex.com/~Marshall/sophics/Kenya.asp ] which is also a good read if you love to know what goes on in the "global underground".
@Simon, thnks will have a read. :-) Now my question is to the Administrators of this forum, please let us know. I already have an vision/idea of what needs to be done but would like the website/youtube material to be hosted on the skunks server. The website will be multi-language. The youtube videos will be in all kenyan languages, including urdu. If possible I'd like the skunks logo to be on our processes, maybe the logo holding the kenyan flag and we need a short url. Our goals are non-political and do not affect anyone's personal or political views nor are we saying who to vote for, nor will we entertain any abuse or slander of govt officials/politicans or aspiring candidates as our goal is purely to create awareness of a proposed change. When we are ready with the technology, we will send out email reminders to all political parties, donor communities, world bank and those that can help kenyan achieve what they want. This is some thoughts in a nutshell. Our goal is to reach Millions of kenyans with our thoughts, whether they have internet access or not. We want to reach the policeman who is serving on the front lines in the most remote of kenyan places because he/she is doing their duty but maybe living in conditions far worse than those living under poverty. We want to reach everyone and even those who have never known what kenya can be. These are some of my thots for now, and my silence in the next few days only means that the this project has not been abandoned but is in high gear. Your thots and comments are most welcome, collectively we can achieve much. In the future, I'd love to read such a headlines "Safaricom & WorldBank set to digitize Kenya" or "Donor funding now achieves its goals"and it just may have started here. Rgds. :-) -- The EL_Diablo is a metaphor...
you can also get the audio version of "confessions of an economic hitman" if you search for the torrents. On 6/28/11, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Simon Mbuthia <simon.mbuthia@gmail.com>wrote:
I'm glad to see a number of people who've read the book.... When stuff like what's going in in Libya happens, I understand - thanks to John Perkins. I learnt about the book from this link [ http://www.ennex.com/~Marshall/sophics/Kenya.asp ] which is also a good read if you love to know what goes on in the "global underground".
@Simon, thnks will have a read. :-)
Now my question is to the Administrators of this forum, please let us know. I already have an vision/idea of what needs to be done but would like the website/youtube material to be hosted on the skunks server. The website will be multi-language. The youtube videos will be in all kenyan languages, including urdu. If possible I'd like the skunks logo to be on our processes, maybe the logo holding the kenyan flag and we need a short url. Our goals are non-political and do not affect anyone's personal or political views nor are we saying who to vote for, nor will we entertain any abuse or slander of govt officials/politicans or aspiring candidates as our goal is purely to create awareness of a proposed change. When we are ready with the technology, we will send out email reminders to all political parties, donor communities, world bank and those that can help kenyan achieve what they want. This is some thoughts in a nutshell.
Our goal is to reach Millions of kenyans with our thoughts, whether they have internet access or not. We want to reach the policeman who is serving on the front lines in the most remote of kenyan places because he/she is doing their duty but maybe living in conditions far worse than those living under poverty. We want to reach everyone and even those who have never known what kenya can be.
These are some of my thots for now, and my silence in the next few days only means that the this project has not been abandoned but is in high gear.
Your thots and comments are most welcome, collectively we can achieve much. In the future, I'd love to read such a headlines "Safaricom & WorldBank set to digitize Kenya" or "Donor funding now achieves its goals"and it just may have started here.
Rgds. :-)
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I'd like some help or suggestions here, if you have some time to spare. What can we call this project? In the case of Kenya and going back to 1963, are we able to list the failed World Bank and Donour community projects that suffered massive corruption, theft and what the economic impact of such were? For the Youtube clips in English-swahili- and all the other languages, I'm thinking of an initial caption as follows, with a sequence of clips and some data: - Since 1963, Kenyans have continued to pay for external loans amount to <blah>, Various amounts to the tone of <blah> have been lost through obvious means and never had the effects they were intended for. The systems in place has encouraged such practises, govt after govt. And citizens continue to pay for the next <blah> number of years for loans taken decades ago.....Fade scene into empty frame. - Now we have the chance to change the system, and that the next govt must implement this. Since it is Kenyans who pay for the loans, then Kenyans must also decide were and whom the loans go to. What IF....... Fade scene - <more blahs> followed by a sequence. - We need a local audio track that contains highs, lows and breaks. Any suggestions? Rgds.
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 11:00 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
At the end of the day, it is the citizens of developing countries that are left with the end results of Bad Debt, Corruption and Repayments. Let the citizens of developing countries decide how the World Bank and Donor Communities funds will help achieve the future goals of each country. Create an innovative and transparent process around what citizens want. Remove the empowerment of such decisions from govt officials.
The very same citizens are voting for the politicians and governments you have issue with ... if you cannot improve the dialogue with your own elected officials then there is no chance anybody from the outside is going to want to listen.
@ aki, Jaguars kigeugeu for the track..... On 6/30/11, ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info> wrote:
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 11:00 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
At the end of the day, it is the citizens of developing countries that are left with the end results of Bad Debt, Corruption and Repayments. Let the citizens of developing countries decide how the World Bank and Donor Communities funds will help achieve the future goals of each country. Create an innovative and transparent process around what citizens want. Remove the empowerment of such decisions from govt officials.
The very same citizens are voting for the politicians and governments you have issue with ... if you cannot improve the dialogue with your own elected officials then there is no chance anybody from the outside is going to want to listen.
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 12:07 AM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info>wrote:
The very same citizens are voting for the politicians and governments you have issue with ... if you cannot improve the dialogue with your own elected officials then there is no chance anybody from the outside is going to want to listen.
@Ashok, I agree with you. We normally accuse politicans and govt officials of bad habits such as vested interests either directly or by proxy but this culture is so deeply rooted that it is taken as a norm. Yesterday I read on kictanet that Safaricom have developed an mHealth platform and was glad to that they are moving towards core systems. However, what struck me as very odd then was the link between Safaricom, Govt and Pivot25 winner AfriHealth Application. My question started with how does a developer know what market trends are happening and plan according to that because you just cannot out of the blue decide what app to do? It seems none of the other Pivot25 developers knew of the mHealth initiatives by Govt, unless they had insider info. Safaricom has made matters worse by appointing people to its vetting mobile dev environment who themselves are either current commercial developers or have indirect interests in such. This was one of the worst decisions that Safaricom could have made because then it boils down to ethics. How this affects the overall mobile dev sector is now obvious as the winner of Pivot25 application says it all. Safaricom seriously need to make a change and appoint people who are not directly involved in the mobile dev sector. One of the best things that the current govt has done with the annual Tax returns will cause transparency and a code of ethics within the private sector. For example, Employees will now have to declare if they have other businesses or sources of income while in employment. For Employers, I see a future that will contain a code of ethics and some declaration paragraphs introduced into contracts. This now takes us to an international level of doing things. So in a nutshell, even before we think of changing a system, we need a bill of ethics and a drive towards it which will have far more reaching results. These Ethics is what built Nations. Remember what happened to Bill Clinton and Monica? It centred around ethics, morals and public servants and may have gone to the extent of impeachment of the then president. I'm back to square one on amateur thots. :-) -- The EL_Diablo is a metaphor...
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[ Brainiac ] -
aki -
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James Mutuku -
John Doe -
Mark Mwangi -
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Simon Mbuthia -
Steve Muchai