OT : What will you pay for a car that is 25 years old?
We are not talking of collectors items. Due to depreciation, cars lose value. Even insurers will not cover such cars and charge seperately. In KENYA = Ksh 150,000/- or more! Junk has some value. In UK = Please take it away from me! It will cost me more to dispose of it In Japan = Scrap. No one wants its In some parts of Europe = Please take it away from me! It will cost me more to dispose of it If you have travelled and seen such, pls add your thots. :-) Rgds.
Is it really just about how old the car is or do you not look at the condition of the car? -Billy 2010/3/16 aki <aki275@googlemail.com>
We are not talking of collectors items. Due to depreciation, cars lose value. Even insurers will not cover such cars and charge seperately.
In KENYA = Ksh 150,000/- or more! Junk has some value.
In UK = Please take it away from me! It will cost me more to dispose of it
In Japan = Scrap. No one wants its
In some parts of Europe = Please take it away from me! It will cost me more to dispose of it
If you have travelled and seen such, pls add your thots. :-)
Rgds.
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It depends on how well the owner took care of it and whether its a rare model. A pal has a 20 something year old rare Volvo and has been getting offers of 300- 400k the car doesnt even move! I wouldnt mind paying 150 - 200k for a model that i really want some go towards the 1.1m range like landrovers (especially defender short chassis) hardly depreciate(to the detriment of those of us looking for them). Ive seen a good peugeot 504 going for 400k On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Billy <billyx5@gmail.com> wrote:
Is it really just about how old the car is or do you not look at the condition of the car?
-Billy
2010/3/16 aki <aki275@googlemail.com>
We are not talking of collectors items. Due to depreciation, cars lose value. Even insurers will not cover such cars and charge seperately.
In KENYA = Ksh 150,000/- or more! Junk has some value.
In UK = Please take it away from me! It will cost me more to dispose of it
In Japan = Scrap. No one wants its
In some parts of Europe = Please take it away from me! It will cost me more to dispose of it
If you have travelled and seen such, pls add your thots. :-)
Rgds.
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A big IMHO : :-)) @Joram, peugeot 504 going for 400k? What is this value based on ? Is it not a scrap heap with rust, rattled door columns, not safe nor does it have crumple zones for accident impact nor have side impact safety, nor have the latest in safety belt technology and not fuel effecient too. The owner taking care of a car has nothing much to do with depreciation value, try to get a loan for this old car. The banks will refuse it to finance it because the value has been wriiten off to an extent. On the SWB landrover, this could be another over rated junk. Fuel guzzler if carb/efi V8( if not Diesel TDI 2.5 etc ), bumpy, requires frequent repairs, you do not know the condition of the diffs, gearbox or transfer boxes. The seats are small, quite un-comfortable and hit an offroad bump and cause you back some pains because the torsion arm suspension throws the body around. And someone owning such a car will have pushed it to limits including driving offroad and chasing the zebras, so you can be sure that the chasis will feel different. Safety = nothing, not even equipped with ABS for that emergency stop. Pls say why you'd want to buy a SWB landrover @ 1.1million? It does not even come with power steering, right? As I mentioned, the collector items as a seperate enitity :-) On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
It depends on how well the owner took care of it and whether its a rare model. A pal has a 20 something year old rare Volvo and has been getting offers of 300- 400k the car doesnt even move!
I wouldnt mind paying 150 - 200k for a model that i really want some go towards the 1.1m range like landrovers (especially defender short chassis) hardly depreciate(to the detriment of those of us looking for them). Ive seen a good peugeot 504 going for 400k
Peugeot actually had spare parts for 504s discontinued quite recently, with the kenyan govt and marshals being one of its key clients.So ive seen a few whos parts are not as bad as you think. Plus value is in the eye of the beholder....maybe i get a kick out of bumpy rides with sores afterwards despite guzzling ability(ask any impreza owner if they mind the guzzling) ???? Some vehicles have a cult following hence their value appreciation despite rusting and having no comforts of todays cars(airbags,ABS,power steering and windows , all overated in my opinion :-) and in some cases more dangerous(have you had a power-everything car go off when you are moving?Brakes,steering and everything else electric shut down!) Plus being recent is no way a sign of better safety(ask toyota and check out the aluminium body cars of today that dont survice crashes as compared to the old cars that were made of steel) On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 10:45 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
A big IMHO : :-))
@Joram, peugeot 504 going for 400k? What is this value based on ? Is it not a scrap heap with rust, rattled door columns, not safe nor does it have crumple zones for accident impact nor have side impact safety, nor have the latest in safety belt technology and not fuel effecient too. The owner taking care of a car has nothing much to do with depreciation value, try to get a loan for this old car. The banks will refuse it to finance it because the value has been wriiten off to an extent.
On the SWB landrover, this could be another over rated junk. Fuel guzzler if carb/efi V8( if not Diesel TDI 2.5 etc ), bumpy, requires frequent repairs, you do not know the condition of the diffs, gearbox or transfer boxes. The seats are small, quite un-comfortable and hit an offroad bump and cause you back some pains because the torsion arm suspension throws the body around. And someone owning such a car will have pushed it to limits including driving offroad and chasing the zebras, so you can be sure that the chasis will feel different. Safety = nothing, not even equipped with ABS for that emergency stop.
Pls say why you'd want to buy a SWB landrover @ 1.1million? It does not even come with power steering, right?
As I mentioned, the collector items as a seperate enitity :-)
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
It depends on how well the owner took care of it and whether its a rare model. A pal has a 20 something year old rare Volvo and has been getting offers of 300- 400k the car doesnt even move!
I wouldnt mind paying 150 - 200k for a model that i really want some go towards the 1.1m range like landrovers (especially defender short chassis) hardly depreciate(to the detriment of those of us looking for them). Ive seen a good peugeot 504 going for 400k
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@Joram, I think we need to seperate cult following ( I'm one of them ) to what one should be paying for junk. I've never drien a car that completely went dead because I probably change to a new battery when purchasing a car. To fully understand when a seller says the car is well maintained is another story. I have owned many cars over the years from performance to a classic 1968 plymouth ( I only paid 40k for this car, then built it up myself ) which was bought by a german fellow back in 89. However, are cars which are considered to be scrap worth anything? I think we need to ask a finance person on this list. They can shed more light. BTW, I drive a pajero 96 SWB ( similar to a montero ) and I did pay the rates for a junk because I wanted this particular car. Was it well maintained, according to the owner, yes. However, for me the owner knew nothing much about cars and maintainence. :-) On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
Peugeot actually had spare parts for 504s discontinued quite recently, with the kenyan govt and marshals being one of its key clients.So ive seen a few whos parts are not as bad as you think. Plus value is in the eye of the beholder....maybe i get a kick out of bumpy rides with sores afterwards despite guzzling ability(ask any impreza owner if they mind the guzzling) ????
Some vehicles have a cult following hence their value appreciation despite rusting and having no comforts of todays cars(airbags,ABS,power steering and windows , all overated in my opinion :-) and in some cases more dangerous(have you had a power-everything car go off when you are moving?Brakes,steering and everything else electric shut down!) Plus being recent is no way a sign of better safety(ask toyota and check out the aluminium body cars of today that dont survice crashes as compared to the old cars that were made of steel)
Hi Joram, if it a day to day car use, Nope I would rather not buy any of those cars, yes I would buy a land rover as a collection, but not to drive it as Aki put it, its not even safe. Even the prince in UAE with a whole collection of rare cars does not take a drive in any of them, he has a museum actually most guys who collect cars do not drive them per se but show them off to friends etc while parked.... And mate to compare the safety of today's car with a Land rover of them days ... come on how would you say a car is safe coz its made of steel, you probably wont die coz it wont be moving that fast .... I know for a fact most EU cars get really tested so would be safer ... but again ... On 17 March 2010 11:03, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:
Peugeot actually had spare parts for 504s discontinued quite recently, with the kenyan govt and marshals being one of its key clients.So ive seen a few whos parts are not as bad as you think. Plus value is in the eye of the beholder....maybe i get a kick out of bumpy rides with sores afterwards despite guzzling ability(ask any impreza owner if they mind the guzzling) ????
Some vehicles have a cult following hence their value appreciation despite rusting and having no comforts of todays cars(airbags,ABS,power steering and windows , all overated in my opinion :-) and in some cases more dangerous(have you had a power-everything car go off when you are moving?Brakes,steering and everything else electric shut down!) Plus being recent is no way a sign of better safety(ask toyota and check out the aluminium body cars of today that dont survice crashes as compared to the old cars that were made of steel)
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 10:45 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
A big IMHO : :-))
@Joram, peugeot 504 going for 400k? What is this value based on ? Is it not a scrap heap with rust, rattled door columns, not safe nor does it have crumple zones for accident impact nor have side impact safety, nor have the latest in safety belt technology and not fuel effecient too. The owner taking care of a car has nothing much to do with depreciation value, try to get a loan for this old car. The banks will refuse it to finance it because the value has been wriiten off to an extent.
On the SWB landrover, this could be another over rated junk. Fuel guzzler if carb/efi V8( if not Diesel TDI 2.5 etc ), bumpy, requires frequent repairs, you do not know the condition of the diffs, gearbox or transfer boxes. The seats are small, quite un-comfortable and hit an offroad bump and cause you back some pains because the torsion arm suspension throws the body around. And someone owning such a car will have pushed it to limits including driving offroad and chasing the zebras, so you can be sure that the chasis will feel different. Safety = nothing, not even equipped with ABS for that emergency stop.
Pls say why you'd want to buy a SWB landrover @ 1.1million? It does not even come with power steering, right?
As I mentioned, the collector items as a seperate enitity :-)
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
It depends on how well the owner took care of it and whether its a rare model. A pal has a 20 something year old rare Volvo and has been getting offers of 300- 400k the car doesnt even move!
I wouldnt mind paying 150 - 200k for a model that i really want some go towards the 1.1m range like landrovers (especially defender short chassis) hardly depreciate(to the detriment of those of us looking for them). Ive seen a good peugeot 504 going for 400k
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Just while at it,am looking for a pick-up possibly a 4 by 4.Any ideas or place I can get one? On 17/03/2010 10:45, aki wrote:
A big IMHO : :-)) @Joram, peugeot 504 going for 400k? What is this value based on ? Is it not a scrap heap with rust, rattled door columns, not safe nor does it have crumple zones for accident impact nor have side impact safety, nor have the latest in safety belt technology and not fuel effecient too. The owner taking care of a car has nothing much to do with depreciation value, try to get a loan for this old car. The banks will refuse it to finance it because the value has been wriiten off to an extent. On the SWB landrover, this could be another over rated junk. Fuel guzzler if carb/efi V8( if not Diesel TDI 2.5 etc ), bumpy, requires frequent repairs, you do not know the condition of the diffs, gearbox or transfer boxes. The seats are small, quite un-comfortable and hit an offroad bump and cause you back some pains because the torsion arm suspension throws the body around. And someone owning such a car will have pushed it to limits including driving offroad and chasing the zebras, so you can be sure that the chasis will feel different. Safety = nothing, not even equipped with ABS for that emergency stop. Pls say why you'd want to buy a SWB landrover @ 1.1million? It does not even come with power steering, right? As I mentioned, the collector items as a seperate enitity :-) On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com <mailto:joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>> wrote:
It depends on how well the owner took care of it and whether its a rare model. A pal has a 20 something year old rare Volvo and has been getting offers of 300- 400k the car doesnt even move!
I wouldnt mind paying 150 - 200k for a model that i really want some go towards the 1.1m range like landrovers (especially defender short chassis) hardly depreciate(to the detriment of those of us looking for them). Ive seen a good peugeot 504 going for 400k
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Hi James, I think Nissan double cab 4 by 4 prices have been dropping because yours truly KE market is a bit shaky on these. Toyota Hilux might be over priced for year and cc. Mistubishi have some. Check out the classifieds and papers too. Rgds. On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 11:42 AM, James Muendo <timrick@gmail.com> wrote:
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