Re: [Skunkworks] “Safaricom stole my idea,” claims ManyattaRent founder
good advise. plus its high time patents are taken seriously in this country. lucas oketch Kevin Oeba <oeba.kevin@gmail.com> wrote: I wonder if the developer's reaction would have been the same if a 'small' mobile phone operator 'stole' the idea. Or better yet, if Safaricom 'stole' the idea when m-pesa users were about 5,000 ? Since the idea has been stolen, why not focus on improving your product ? do market research , add more features... On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Boniface <mboteb@gmail.com> wrote: Safaricom's response on the same page is very telling on the weaknesses developers have in sharing their ideas. As long as you are sharing an idea, I can recreate it in a different way and come up with a different idea. Sharing a product is however different. On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Antony Kimani <kimanianthoni@gmail.com> wrote: This is something that is not new and not unless as developers or ICT community look for a long term solution to this(queen bee) it shall continue to happen, just look at the history: MPESA PRSP - SEMATIME - where all their sms were blocked by safaricom EQUITY FAULU SEVEVSEAS MANYATTA RENT the list is endless. Antony..... On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote: Out of a possible population of 7 billion + humans, it is naive to think your idea is unique. It is also naive to think Safaricom will only use MPesa to send money to your grandmother / family. Safaicom WILL take MPesa to its logical conclusion which is ubiquitous payments. On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Kevin Omondi <kevin.ouma@gmail.com> wrote: I do blame the guy. How in the world do you have conversations without an NDA in place. Regards Kevin Omondi On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Boniface <mboteb@gmail.com> wrote: Such stories have become common place. This is surely how to kill innovation. http://www.humanipo.com/news/30253/safaricom-stole-my-idea-claims-manyattare... _______________________________________________ skunkworks mailing list skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://orion.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke _______________________________________________ skunkworks mailing list skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://orion.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke _______________________________________________ skunkworks mailing list skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://orion.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke _______________________________________________ skunkworks mailing list skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://orion.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke _______________________________________________ skunkworks mailing list skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://orion.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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good advise. plus its high time patents are taken seriously in this country.
lucas oketch
Kevin Oeba <oeba.kevin@gmail.com> wrote:
I wonder if the developer's reaction would have been the same if a 'small' mobile phone operator 'stole' the idea.
Or better yet, if Safaricom 'stole' the idea when m-pesa users were about 5,000 ?
Since the idea has been stolen, why not focus on improving your product ? do market research , add more features...
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Boniface <mboteb@gmail.com> wrote:
Safaricom's response on the same page is very telling on the weaknesses developers have in sharing their ideas. As long as you are sharing an idea, I can recreate it in a different way and come up with a different idea. Sharing a product is however different.
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Antony Kimani <kimanianthoni@gmail.com>wrote:
This is something that is not new and not unless as developers or ICT community look for a long term solution to this(queen bee) it shall continue to happen, just look at the history:
MPESA PRSP - SEMATIME - where all their sms were blocked by safaricom EQUITY FAULU SEVEVSEAS MANYATTA RENT
the list is endless.
Antony.....
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Out of a possible population of 7 billion + humans, it is naive to think your idea is unique.
It is also naive to think Safaricom will only use MPesa to send money to your grandmother / family. Safaicom *WILL *take MPesa to its logical conclusion which is ubiquitous payments.
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Kevin Omondi <kevin.ouma@gmail.com>wrote:
I do blame the guy. How in the world do you have conversations without an NDA in place.
Regards Kevin Omondi
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Boniface <mboteb@gmail.com> wrote:
Such stories have become common place. This is surely how to kill innovation.
http://www.humanipo.com/news/30253/safaricom-stole-my-idea-claims-manyattare...
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[image: Inline image 1] On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 5:24 PM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
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good advise. plus its high time patents are taken seriously in this country.
lucas oketch
Kevin Oeba <oeba.kevin@gmail.com> wrote:
I wonder if the developer's reaction would have been the same if a 'small' mobile phone operator 'stole' the idea.
Or better yet, if Safaricom 'stole' the idea when m-pesa users were about 5,000 ?
Since the idea has been stolen, why not focus on improving your product ? do market research , add more features...
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Boniface <mboteb@gmail.com> wrote:
Safaricom's response on the same page is very telling on the weaknesses developers have in sharing their ideas. As long as you are sharing an idea, I can recreate it in a different way and come up with a different idea. Sharing a product is however different.
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Antony Kimani <kimanianthoni@gmail.com
wrote:
This is something that is not new and not unless as developers or ICT community look for a long term solution to this(queen bee) it shall continue to happen, just look at the history:
MPESA PRSP - SEMATIME - where all their sms were blocked by safaricom EQUITY FAULU SEVEVSEAS MANYATTA RENT
the list is endless.
Antony.....
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Out of a possible population of 7 billion + humans, it is naive to think your idea is unique.
It is also naive to think Safaricom will only use MPesa to send money to your grandmother / family. Safaicom *WILL *take MPesa to its logical conclusion which is ubiquitous payments.
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Kevin Omondi <kevin.ouma@gmail.com>wrote:
I do blame the guy. How in the world do you have conversations without an NDA in place.
Regards Kevin Omondi
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Boniface <mboteb@gmail.com> wrote:
> Such stories have become common place. This is surely how to kill > innovation. > > > http://www.humanipo.com/news/30253/safaricom-stole-my-idea-claims-manyattare... > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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Based on the Tweet posted above- it seems Safaricom is not willing to share any profits from any idea involving MPESA. Case and Point - the standoff between Equity and Safcom etc Time and time again - the Safcom the marketers/sales team have proven to be Sharks - no one on their right mind should ever ever trust any Shark.
its rather logic.swiming with the sharks
you cannot patent a way of doing business. dnt waste time taking safaricom to court. its a lost case. On 25/08/2013, Vincent Kiama <vinikiama@gmail.com> wrote:
its rather logic.swiming with the sharks
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I am actually giving out my ideas to safaricom for free. Just emailed one idea last month and will do so next month. One cannot patent a social innovation . Also however great my idea is, it can only work on the m-pesa backbone. On Aug 25, 2013 11:37 AM, "Kebaya" <humphreykebaya@gmail.com> wrote:
you cannot patent a way of doing business. dnt waste time taking safaricom to court. its a lost case.
On 25/08/2013, Vincent Kiama <vinikiama@gmail.com> wrote:
its rather logic.swiming with the sharks
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Yes let's have a 'give Safaricom ideas' week. They have the money the people the platforms and well we have the problems. I started his mail out as a joke but realized that this could work. Subject line could simply be [safaricom ideas] .... Like please can I have network in my kitchen or fiber in my house .... I'd love a flying unicorn too Sent from my iPhone On Aug 26, 2013, at 6:17, matere lusitche <kenyabizideas@gmail.com> wrote:
I am actually giving out my ideas to safaricom for free. Just emailed one idea last month and will do so next month. One cannot patent a social innovation . Also however great my idea is, it can only work on the m-pesa backbone.
On Aug 25, 2013 11:37 AM, "Kebaya" <humphreykebaya@gmail.com> wrote:
you cannot patent a way of doing business. dnt waste time taking safaricom to court. its a lost case.
On 25/08/2013, Vincent Kiama <vinikiama@gmail.com> wrote:
its rather logic.swiming with the sharks
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Give Safaricom Ideas week ... I like that LOL On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 6:38 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes let's have a 'give Safaricom ideas' week. They have the money the people the platforms and well we have the problems. I started his mail out as a joke but realized that this could work. Subject line could simply be [safaricom ideas] .... Like please can I have network in my kitchen or fiber in my house .... I'd love a flying unicorn too
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 26, 2013, at 6:17, matere lusitche <kenyabizideas@gmail.com> wrote:
I am actually giving out my ideas to safaricom for free. Just emailed one idea last month and will do so next month. One cannot patent a social innovation . Also however great my idea is, it can only work on the m-pesa backbone. On Aug 25, 2013 11:37 AM, "Kebaya" <humphreykebaya@gmail.com> wrote:
you cannot patent a way of doing business. dnt waste time taking safaricom to court. its a lost case.
On 25/08/2013, Vincent Kiama <vinikiama@gmail.com> wrote:
its rather logic.swiming with the sharks
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I think it is time for 'startups' to consider Venture capital and private equities. This way we will get in to the right partnerships, well documented and have bargaining power when it comes to negotiating with Giants. The business department of any company is always looking for award winning ideas, they will listen to you, think through it as they guide you to disclose what you have and as soon as they get it. Its just a twist away and PAP! they are gone. On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 8:53 AM, Antony Kimani <kimanianthoni@gmail.com>wrote:
Give Safaricom Ideas week ... I like that LOL
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 6:38 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes let's have a 'give Safaricom ideas' week. They have the money the people the platforms and well we have the problems. I started his mail out as a joke but realized that this could work. Subject line could simply be [safaricom ideas] .... Like please can I have network in my kitchen or fiber in my house .... I'd love a flying unicorn too
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 26, 2013, at 6:17, matere lusitche <kenyabizideas@gmail.com> wrote:
I am actually giving out my ideas to safaricom for free. Just emailed one idea last month and will do so next month. One cannot patent a social innovation . Also however great my idea is, it can only work on the m-pesa backbone. On Aug 25, 2013 11:37 AM, "Kebaya" <humphreykebaya@gmail.com> wrote:
you cannot patent a way of doing business. dnt waste time taking safaricom to court. its a lost case.
On 25/08/2013, Vincent Kiama <vinikiama@gmail.com> wrote:
its rather logic.swiming with the sharks
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by the way.. Who Gives Safaricom any idea!! Its a never ever... On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com>wrote:
I think it is time for 'startups' to consider Venture capital and private equities.
This way we will get in to the right partnerships, well documented and have bargaining power when it comes to negotiating with Giants.
The business department of any company is always looking for award winning ideas, they will listen to you, think through it as they guide you to disclose what you have and as soon as they get it. Its just a twist away and PAP! they are gone.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 8:53 AM, Antony Kimani <kimanianthoni@gmail.com>wrote:
Give Safaricom Ideas week ... I like that LOL
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 6:38 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes let's have a 'give Safaricom ideas' week. They have the money the people the platforms and well we have the problems. I started his mail out as a joke but realized that this could work. Subject line could simply be [safaricom ideas] .... Like please can I have network in my kitchen or fiber in my house .... I'd love a flying unicorn too
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 26, 2013, at 6:17, matere lusitche <kenyabizideas@gmail.com> wrote:
I am actually giving out my ideas to safaricom for free. Just emailed one idea last month and will do so next month. One cannot patent a social innovation . Also however great my idea is, it can only work on the m-pesa backbone. On Aug 25, 2013 11:37 AM, "Kebaya" <humphreykebaya@gmail.com> wrote:
you cannot patent a way of doing business. dnt waste time taking safaricom to court. its a lost case.
On 25/08/2013, Vincent Kiama <vinikiama@gmail.com> wrote:
its rather logic.swiming with the sharks
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Its as simple as this. I am a manager at Safaricom and my performance contract has put me on the chopping board for underperforming. Then a startup who knows a friend who knows I work for Safaricom comes to me and therein lies my chance to salvage my job. I go for it, implement the idea with the boss, get a promotion and leave the startup distraught. I will most likely be in an authoritative position to respond to accusations once the startup complains. Then I head to the beach. All in a days work. On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com>wrote:
by the way.. Who Gives Safaricom any idea!! Its a never ever...
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com>wrote:
I think it is time for 'startups' to consider Venture capital and private equities.
This way we will get in to the right partnerships, well documented and have bargaining power when it comes to negotiating with Giants.
The business department of any company is always looking for award winning ideas, they will listen to you, think through it as they guide you to disclose what you have and as soon as they get it. Its just a twist away and PAP! they are gone.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 8:53 AM, Antony Kimani <kimanianthoni@gmail.com>wrote:
Give Safaricom Ideas week ... I like that LOL
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 6:38 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes let's have a 'give Safaricom ideas' week. They have the money the people the platforms and well we have the problems. I started his mail out as a joke but realized that this could work. Subject line could simply be [safaricom ideas] .... Like please can I have network in my kitchen or fiber in my house .... I'd love a flying unicorn too
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 26, 2013, at 6:17, matere lusitche <kenyabizideas@gmail.com> wrote:
I am actually giving out my ideas to safaricom for free. Just emailed one idea last month and will do so next month. One cannot patent a social innovation . Also however great my idea is, it can only work on the m-pesa backbone. On Aug 25, 2013 11:37 AM, "Kebaya" <humphreykebaya@gmail.com> wrote:
you cannot patent a way of doing business. dnt waste time taking safaricom to court. its a lost case.
On 25/08/2013, Vincent Kiama <vinikiama@gmail.com> wrote:
its rather logic.swiming with the sharks
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I like what Olive said, about venture capital and private equities. On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Boniface <mboteb@gmail.com> wrote:
Its as simple as this. I am a manager at Safaricom and my performance contract has put me on the chopping board for underperforming. Then a startup who knows a friend who knows I work for Safaricom comes to me and therein lies my chance to salvage my job. I go for it, implement the idea with the boss, get a promotion and leave the startup distraught. I will most likely be in an authoritative position to respond to accusations once the startup complains. Then I head to the beach.
All in a days work.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com>wrote:
by the way.. Who Gives Safaricom any idea!! Its a never ever...
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com>wrote:
I think it is time for 'startups' to consider Venture capital and private equities.
This way we will get in to the right partnerships, well documented and have bargaining power when it comes to negotiating with Giants.
The business department of any company is always looking for award winning ideas, they will listen to you, think through it as they guide you to disclose what you have and as soon as they get it. Its just a twist away and PAP! they are gone.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 8:53 AM, Antony Kimani <kimanianthoni@gmail.com>wrote:
Give Safaricom Ideas week ... I like that LOL
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 6:38 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes let's have a 'give Safaricom ideas' week. They have the money the people the platforms and well we have the problems. I started his mail out as a joke but realized that this could work. Subject line could simply be [safaricom ideas] .... Like please can I have network in my kitchen or fiber in my house .... I'd love a flying unicorn too
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 26, 2013, at 6:17, matere lusitche <kenyabizideas@gmail.com> wrote:
I am actually giving out my ideas to safaricom for free. Just emailed one idea last month and will do so next month. One cannot patent a social innovation . Also however great my idea is, it can only work on the m-pesa backbone. On Aug 25, 2013 11:37 AM, "Kebaya" <humphreykebaya@gmail.com> wrote:
you cannot patent a way of doing business. dnt waste time taking safaricom to court. its a lost case.
On 25/08/2013, Vincent Kiama <vinikiama@gmail.com> wrote: > its rather logic.swiming with the sharks >
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I cringe when venture capital is seen to be the saviour of enterpreneurs. Money is a challenge yes but it is not what determines a businesses success. Most startups that I see looking for funding barely have paying customers. I think showing a revenue stream and potential growth will interest even commercial banks. but the "free" VC money will only bring problems and exploitation by the actual owners of the startup, Whoever gave you the money. On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Eva Kimathi <evakimathi@gmail.com> wrote:
I like what Olive said, about venture capital and private equities.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Boniface <mboteb@gmail.com> wrote:
Its as simple as this. I am a manager at Safaricom and my performance contract has put me on the chopping board for underperforming. Then a startup who knows a friend who knows I work for Safaricom comes to me and therein lies my chance to salvage my job. I go for it, implement the idea with the boss, get a promotion and leave the startup distraught. I will most likely be in an authoritative position to respond to accusations once the startup complains. Then I head to the beach.
All in a days work.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com>wrote:
by the way.. Who Gives Safaricom any idea!! Its a never ever...
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com>wrote:
I think it is time for 'startups' to consider Venture capital and private equities.
This way we will get in to the right partnerships, well documented and have bargaining power when it comes to negotiating with Giants.
The business department of any company is always looking for award winning ideas, they will listen to you, think through it as they guide you to disclose what you have and as soon as they get it. Its just a twist away and PAP! they are gone.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 8:53 AM, Antony Kimani <kimanianthoni@gmail.com
wrote:
Give Safaricom Ideas week ... I like that LOL
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 6:38 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes let's have a 'give Safaricom ideas' week. They have the money the people the platforms and well we have the problems. I started his mail out as a joke but realized that this could work. Subject line could simply be [safaricom ideas] .... Like please can I have network in my kitchen or fiber in my house .... I'd love a flying unicorn too
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 26, 2013, at 6:17, matere lusitche <kenyabizideas@gmail.com> wrote:
I am actually giving out my ideas to safaricom for free. Just emailed one idea last month and will do so next month. One cannot patent a social innovation . Also however great my idea is, it can only work on the m-pesa backbone. On Aug 25, 2013 11:37 AM, "Kebaya" <humphreykebaya@gmail.com> wrote:
> you cannot patent a way of doing business. dnt waste time taking > safaricom to court. its a lost case. > > On 25/08/2013, Vincent Kiama <vinikiama@gmail.com> wrote: > > its rather logic.swiming with the sharks > > > > > -- > > > *Psalms 23* > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > _______________________________________________ skunkworks mailing list skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------
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Mark, that is true. On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I cringe when venture capital is seen to be the saviour of enterpreneurs.
Money is a challenge yes but it is not what determines a businesses success. Most startups that I see looking for funding barely have paying customers. I think showing a revenue stream and potential growth will interest even commercial banks. but the "free" VC money will only bring problems and exploitation by the actual owners of the startup, Whoever gave you the money.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Eva Kimathi <evakimathi@gmail.com>wrote:
I like what Olive said, about venture capital and private equities.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Boniface <mboteb@gmail.com> wrote:
Its as simple as this. I am a manager at Safaricom and my performance contract has put me on the chopping board for underperforming. Then a startup who knows a friend who knows I work for Safaricom comes to me and therein lies my chance to salvage my job. I go for it, implement the idea with the boss, get a promotion and leave the startup distraught. I will most likely be in an authoritative position to respond to accusations once the startup complains. Then I head to the beach.
All in a days work.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com>wrote:
by the way.. Who Gives Safaricom any idea!! Its a never ever...
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com>wrote:
I think it is time for 'startups' to consider Venture capital and private equities.
This way we will get in to the right partnerships, well documented and have bargaining power when it comes to negotiating with Giants.
The business department of any company is always looking for award winning ideas, they will listen to you, think through it as they guide you to disclose what you have and as soon as they get it. Its just a twist away and PAP! they are gone.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 8:53 AM, Antony Kimani < kimanianthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
Give Safaricom Ideas week ... I like that LOL
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 6:38 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes let's have a 'give Safaricom ideas' week. They have the money > the people the platforms and well we have the problems. I started his mail > out as a joke but realized that this could work. Subject line could simply > be [safaricom ideas] .... Like please can I have network in my kitchen or > fiber in my house .... I'd love a flying unicorn too > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 26, 2013, at 6:17, matere lusitche <kenyabizideas@gmail.com> > wrote: > > I am actually giving out my ideas to safaricom for free. Just > emailed one idea last month and will do so next month. > One cannot patent a social innovation . > Also however great my idea is, it can only work on the m-pesa > backbone. > On Aug 25, 2013 11:37 AM, "Kebaya" <humphreykebaya@gmail.com> wrote: > >> you cannot patent a way of doing business. dnt waste time taking >> safaricom to court. its a lost case. >> >> On 25/08/2013, Vincent Kiama <vinikiama@gmail.com> wrote: >> > its rather logic.swiming with the sharks >> > >> >> >> -- >> >> >> *Psalms 23* >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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Of course private equities require a very solid business plan, a set clientele niche that is tested and a good portfolio on product development and continuous improvement. Beyond any reasonable doubts.. The capitalist must see the money, he must see what you see and so that he cant set his financial goals against your dreams. Sometimes you have to go the extra mile and have a working system to affirm your credibility and to show how serious you are. But an idea? a lot of people will shy away from one! On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Eva Kimathi <evakimathi@gmail.com> wrote:
Mark, that is true.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I cringe when venture capital is seen to be the saviour of enterpreneurs.
Money is a challenge yes but it is not what determines a businesses success. Most startups that I see looking for funding barely have paying customers. I think showing a revenue stream and potential growth will interest even commercial banks. but the "free" VC money will only bring problems and exploitation by the actual owners of the startup, Whoever gave you the money.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Eva Kimathi <evakimathi@gmail.com>wrote:
I like what Olive said, about venture capital and private equities.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Boniface <mboteb@gmail.com> wrote:
Its as simple as this. I am a manager at Safaricom and my performance contract has put me on the chopping board for underperforming. Then a startup who knows a friend who knows I work for Safaricom comes to me and therein lies my chance to salvage my job. I go for it, implement the idea with the boss, get a promotion and leave the startup distraught. I will most likely be in an authoritative position to respond to accusations once the startup complains. Then I head to the beach.
All in a days work.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com>wrote:
by the way.. Who Gives Safaricom any idea!! Its a never ever...
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com>wrote:
I think it is time for 'startups' to consider Venture capital and private equities.
This way we will get in to the right partnerships, well documented and have bargaining power when it comes to negotiating with Giants.
The business department of any company is always looking for award winning ideas, they will listen to you, think through it as they guide you to disclose what you have and as soon as they get it. Its just a twist away and PAP! they are gone.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 8:53 AM, Antony Kimani < kimanianthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
> Give Safaricom Ideas week ... I like that LOL > > > On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 6:38 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Yes let's have a 'give Safaricom ideas' week. They have the money >> the people the platforms and well we have the problems. I started his mail >> out as a joke but realized that this could work. Subject line could simply >> be [safaricom ideas] .... Like please can I have network in my kitchen or >> fiber in my house .... I'd love a flying unicorn too >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 26, 2013, at 6:17, matere lusitche <kenyabizideas@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> I am actually giving out my ideas to safaricom for free. Just >> emailed one idea last month and will do so next month. >> One cannot patent a social innovation . >> Also however great my idea is, it can only work on the m-pesa >> backbone. >> On Aug 25, 2013 11:37 AM, "Kebaya" <humphreykebaya@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> you cannot patent a way of doing business. dnt waste time taking >>> safaricom to court. its a lost case. >>> >>> On 25/08/2013, Vincent Kiama <vinikiama@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > its rather logic.swiming with the sharks >>> > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> *Psalms 23* >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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VC or PE guys don't steal ideas ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oliver Ndegwa" <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com> To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 1:03:44 PM Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] “Safaricom stole my idea,” claims ManyattaRent founder Of course private equities require a very solid business plan, a set clientele niche that is tested and a good portfolio on product development and continuous improvement. Beyond any reasonable doubts.. The capitalist must see the money, he must see what you see and so that he cant set his financial goals against your dreams. Sometimes you have to go the extra mile and have a working system to affirm your credibility and to show how serious you are. But an idea? a lot of people will shy away from one! On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com > wrote: Mark, that is true. On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Mark Mwangi < mwangy@gmail.com > wrote: I cringe when venture capital is seen to be the saviour of enterpreneurs. Money is a challenge yes but it is not what determines a businesses success. Most startups that I see looking for funding barely have paying customers. I think showing a revenue stream and potential growth will interest even commercial banks. but the "free" VC money will only bring problems and exploitation by the actual owners of the startup, Whoever gave you the money. On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com > wrote: I like what Olive said, about venture capital and private equities. On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Boniface < mboteb@gmail.com > wrote: Its as simple as this. I am a manager at Safaricom and my performance contract has put me on the chopping board for underperforming. Then a startup who knows a friend who knows I work for Safaricom comes to me and therein lies my chance to salvage my job. I go for it, implement the idea with the boss, get a promotion and leave the startup distraught. I will most likely be in an authoritative position to respond to accusations once the startup complains. Then I head to the beach. All in a days work. On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Oliver Ndegwa < olie.ndegwa@gmail.com > wrote: by the way.. Who Gives Safaricom any idea!! Its a never ever... On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Oliver Ndegwa < olie.ndegwa@gmail.com > wrote: I think it is time for 'startups' to consider Venture capital and private equities. This way we will get in to the right partnerships, well documented and have bargaining power when it comes to negotiating with Giants. The business department of any company is always looking for award winning ideas, they will listen to you, think through it as they guide you to disclose what you have and as soon as they get it. Its just a twist away and PAP! they are gone. On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 8:53 AM, Antony Kimani < kimanianthoni@gmail.com > wrote: Give Safaricom Ideas week ... I like that LOL On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 6:38 AM, John Gitau < jgitau@gmail.com > wrote: Yes let's have a 'give Safaricom ideas' week. They have the money the people the platforms and well we have the problems. I started his mail out as a joke but realized that this could work. Subject line could simply be [safaricom ideas] .... Like please can I have network in my kitchen or fiber in my house .... I'd love a flying unicorn too Sent from my iPhone On Aug 26, 2013, at 6:17, matere lusitche < kenyabizideas@gmail.com > wrote: I am actually giving out my ideas to safaricom for free. Just emailed one idea last month and will do so next month. One cannot patent a social innovation . Also however great my idea is, it can only work on the m-pesa backbone. On Aug 25, 2013 11:37 AM, "Kebaya" < humphreykebaya@gmail.com > wrote: you cannot patent a way of doing business. dnt waste time taking safaricom to court. its a lost case. On 25/08/2013, Vincent Kiama < vinikiama@gmail.com > wrote:
its rather logic.swiming with the sharks
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If the idea can be so easily stolen, the VC or PE firm will not invest in it. The question actually should be, if the idea or business can be replicated easily, why would they invest in it? Davis Waithaka. On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Riyaz Bachani < riyaz.bachani@ke.wananchi.com> wrote:
VC or PE guys don't steal ideas ?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Oliver Ndegwa" <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com> To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 1:03:44 PM Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] “Safaricom stole my idea,” claims ManyattaRent founder
Of course private equities require a very solid business plan, a set clientele niche that is tested and a good portfolio on product development and continuous improvement. Beyond any reasonable doubts.. The capitalist must see the money, he must see what you see and so that he cant set his financial goals against your dreams.
Sometimes you have to go the extra mile and have a working system to affirm your credibility and to show how serious you are. But an idea? a lot of people will shy away from one!
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com > wrote:
Mark, that is true.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Mark Mwangi < mwangy@gmail.com > wrote:
I cringe when venture capital is seen to be the saviour of enterpreneurs.
Money is a challenge yes but it is not what determines a businesses success. Most startups that I see looking for funding barely have paying customers. I think showing a revenue stream and potential growth will interest even commercial banks. but the "free" VC money will only bring problems and exploitation by the actual owners of the startup, Whoever gave you the money.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com > wrote:
I like what Olive said, about venture capital and private equities.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Boniface < mboteb@gmail.com > wrote:
Its as simple as this. I am a manager at Safaricom and my performance contract has put me on the chopping board for underperforming. Then a startup who knows a friend who knows I work for Safaricom comes to me and therein lies my chance to salvage my job. I go for it, implement the idea with the boss, get a promotion and leave the startup distraught. I will most likely be in an authoritative position to respond to accusations once the startup complains. Then I head to the beach.
All in a days work.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Oliver Ndegwa < olie.ndegwa@gmail.com > wrote:
by the way.. Who Gives Safaricom any idea!! Its a never ever...
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Oliver Ndegwa < olie.ndegwa@gmail.com > wrote:
I think it is time for 'startups' to consider Venture capital and private equities.
This way we will get in to the right partnerships, well documented and have bargaining power when it comes to negotiating with Giants.
The business department of any company is always looking for award winning ideas, they will listen to you, think through it as they guide you to disclose what you have and as soon as they get it. Its just a twist away and PAP! they are gone.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 8:53 AM, Antony Kimani < kimanianthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
Give Safaricom Ideas week ... I like that LOL
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 6:38 AM, John Gitau < jgitau@gmail.com > wrote:
Yes let's have a 'give Safaricom ideas' week. They have the money the people the platforms and well we have the problems. I started his mail out as a joke but realized that this could work. Subject line could simply be [safaricom ideas] .... Like please can I have network in my kitchen or fiber in my house .... I'd love a flying unicorn too
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 26, 2013, at 6:17, matere lusitche < kenyabizideas@gmail.com > wrote:
I am actually giving out my ideas to safaricom for free. Just emailed one idea last month and will do so next month. One cannot patent a social innovation . Also however great my idea is, it can only work on the m-pesa backbone. On Aug 25, 2013 11:37 AM, "Kebaya" < humphreykebaya@gmail.com > wrote:
you cannot patent a way of doing business. dnt waste time taking safaricom to court. its a lost case.
On 25/08/2013, Vincent Kiama < vinikiama@gmail.com > wrote:
its rather logic.swiming with the sharks
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there is never a unique idea, the question is whats your approach and are you a first mover to enjoy monopoly for the time being before the market floods. If it does floods can you innovate to make business sense and look different from the floods. Any idea can be stolen but that does not mean that people will not invest.. Just make it tight and keep the trade secrets safe... There will always be something the copycats will miss. always! I think one should act fast, improve on the products , research well and have different scenarios to counter the external forces. Sometimes our ideas get stolen because we present them raw' there is never anything tangible and for the reason the copiers will fry it on a pan. On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 3:07 PM, davis waithaka <daviswaithaka@gmail.com>wrote:
If the idea can be so easily stolen, the VC or PE firm will not invest in it. The question actually should be, if the idea or business can be replicated easily, why would they invest in it?
Davis Waithaka.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Riyaz Bachani < riyaz.bachani@ke.wananchi.com> wrote:
VC or PE guys don't steal ideas ?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Oliver Ndegwa" <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com> To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 1:03:44 PM Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] “Safaricom stole my idea,” claims ManyattaRent founder
Of course private equities require a very solid business plan, a set clientele niche that is tested and a good portfolio on product development and continuous improvement. Beyond any reasonable doubts.. The capitalist must see the money, he must see what you see and so that he cant set his financial goals against your dreams.
Sometimes you have to go the extra mile and have a working system to affirm your credibility and to show how serious you are. But an idea? a lot of people will shy away from one!
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com > wrote:
Mark, that is true.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Mark Mwangi < mwangy@gmail.com > wrote:
I cringe when venture capital is seen to be the saviour of enterpreneurs.
Money is a challenge yes but it is not what determines a businesses success. Most startups that I see looking for funding barely have paying customers. I think showing a revenue stream and potential growth will interest even commercial banks. but the "free" VC money will only bring problems and exploitation by the actual owners of the startup, Whoever gave you the money.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com > wrote:
I like what Olive said, about venture capital and private equities.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Boniface < mboteb@gmail.com > wrote:
Its as simple as this. I am a manager at Safaricom and my performance contract has put me on the chopping board for underperforming. Then a startup who knows a friend who knows I work for Safaricom comes to me and therein lies my chance to salvage my job. I go for it, implement the idea with the boss, get a promotion and leave the startup distraught. I will most likely be in an authoritative position to respond to accusations once the startup complains. Then I head to the beach.
All in a days work.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Oliver Ndegwa < olie.ndegwa@gmail.com > wrote:
by the way.. Who Gives Safaricom any idea!! Its a never ever...
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Oliver Ndegwa < olie.ndegwa@gmail.com > wrote:
I think it is time for 'startups' to consider Venture capital and private equities.
This way we will get in to the right partnerships, well documented and have bargaining power when it comes to negotiating with Giants.
The business department of any company is always looking for award winning ideas, they will listen to you, think through it as they guide you to disclose what you have and as soon as they get it. Its just a twist away and PAP! they are gone.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 8:53 AM, Antony Kimani < kimanianthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
Give Safaricom Ideas week ... I like that LOL
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 6:38 AM, John Gitau < jgitau@gmail.com > wrote:
Yes let's have a 'give Safaricom ideas' week. They have the money the people the platforms and well we have the problems. I started his mail out as a joke but realized that this could work. Subject line could simply be [safaricom ideas] .... Like please can I have network in my kitchen or fiber in my house .... I'd love a flying unicorn too
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 26, 2013, at 6:17, matere lusitche < kenyabizideas@gmail.com > wrote:
I am actually giving out my ideas to safaricom for free. Just emailed one idea last month and will do so next month. One cannot patent a social innovation . Also however great my idea is, it can only work on the m-pesa backbone. On Aug 25, 2013 11:37 AM, "Kebaya" < humphreykebaya@gmail.com > wrote:
you cannot patent a way of doing business. dnt waste time taking safaricom to court. its a lost case.
On 25/08/2013, Vincent Kiama < vinikiama@gmail.com > wrote:
its rather logic.swiming with the sharks
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I think the notion that the idea is what translates to success is not very smart. Making usable stuff that helps peoples lives does. its the only reason linux on the desktop has not become ubiquitous. Its rather difficult o setup and use if you are not a techie. same with any other ideas that come along. Microsoft had revenue from the word go with windows. Safaricom had revenue with their first call. the margins are another matter all together. On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com>wrote:
there is never a unique idea, the question is whats your approach and are you a first mover to enjoy monopoly for the time being before the market floods. If it does floods can you innovate to make business sense and look different from the floods.
Any idea can be stolen but that does not mean that people will not invest.. Just make it tight and keep the trade secrets safe... There will always be something the copycats will miss. always! I think one should act fast, improve on the products , research well and have different scenarios to counter the external forces.
Sometimes our ideas get stolen because we present them raw' there is never anything tangible and for the reason the copiers will fry it on a pan.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 3:07 PM, davis waithaka <daviswaithaka@gmail.com>wrote:
If the idea can be so easily stolen, the VC or PE firm will not invest in it. The question actually should be, if the idea or business can be replicated easily, why would they invest in it?
Davis Waithaka.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Riyaz Bachani < riyaz.bachani@ke.wananchi.com> wrote:
VC or PE guys don't steal ideas ?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Oliver Ndegwa" <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com> To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 1:03:44 PM Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] “Safaricom stole my idea,” claims ManyattaRent founder
Of course private equities require a very solid business plan, a set clientele niche that is tested and a good portfolio on product development and continuous improvement. Beyond any reasonable doubts.. The capitalist must see the money, he must see what you see and so that he cant set his financial goals against your dreams.
Sometimes you have to go the extra mile and have a working system to affirm your credibility and to show how serious you are. But an idea? a lot of people will shy away from one!
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com > wrote:
Mark, that is true.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Mark Mwangi < mwangy@gmail.com > wrote:
I cringe when venture capital is seen to be the saviour of enterpreneurs.
Money is a challenge yes but it is not what determines a businesses success. Most startups that I see looking for funding barely have paying customers. I think showing a revenue stream and potential growth will interest even commercial banks. but the "free" VC money will only bring problems and exploitation by the actual owners of the startup, Whoever gave you the money.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com > wrote:
I like what Olive said, about venture capital and private equities.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Boniface < mboteb@gmail.com > wrote:
Its as simple as this. I am a manager at Safaricom and my performance contract has put me on the chopping board for underperforming. Then a startup who knows a friend who knows I work for Safaricom comes to me and therein lies my chance to salvage my job. I go for it, implement the idea with the boss, get a promotion and leave the startup distraught. I will most likely be in an authoritative position to respond to accusations once the startup complains. Then I head to the beach.
All in a days work.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Oliver Ndegwa < olie.ndegwa@gmail.com> wrote:
by the way.. Who Gives Safaricom any idea!! Its a never ever...
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Oliver Ndegwa < olie.ndegwa@gmail.com> wrote:
I think it is time for 'startups' to consider Venture capital and private equities.
This way we will get in to the right partnerships, well documented and have bargaining power when it comes to negotiating with Giants.
The business department of any company is always looking for award winning ideas, they will listen to you, think through it as they guide you to disclose what you have and as soon as they get it. Its just a twist away and PAP! they are gone.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 8:53 AM, Antony Kimani < kimanianthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
Give Safaricom Ideas week ... I like that LOL
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 6:38 AM, John Gitau < jgitau@gmail.com > wrote:
Yes let's have a 'give Safaricom ideas' week. They have the money the people the platforms and well we have the problems. I started his mail out as a joke but realized that this could work. Subject line could simply be [safaricom ideas] .... Like please can I have network in my kitchen or fiber in my house .... I'd love a flying unicorn too
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On Aug 26, 2013, at 6:17, matere lusitche < kenyabizideas@gmail.com > wrote:
I am actually giving out my ideas to safaricom for free. Just emailed one idea last month and will do so next month. One cannot patent a social innovation . Also however great my idea is, it can only work on the m-pesa backbone. On Aug 25, 2013 11:37 AM, "Kebaya" < humphreykebaya@gmail.com > wrote:
you cannot patent a way of doing business. dnt waste time taking safaricom to court. its a lost case.
On 25/08/2013, Vincent Kiama < vinikiama@gmail.com > wrote:
its rather logic.swiming with the sharks
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I think the notion that the idea is what translates to success is not very smart. Making usable stuff that helps peoples lives does. its the only reason linux on the desktop has not become ubiquitous. Its rather difficult o setup and use if you are not a techie. same with any other ideas that come along. Microsoft had revenue from the word go with windows. Safaricom had revenue with their first call. the margins are another matter all together.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com>wrote:
there is never a unique idea, the question is whats your approach and are you a first mover to enjoy monopoly for the time being before the market floods. If it does floods can you innovate to make business sense and look different from the floods.
Any idea can be stolen but that does not mean that people will not invest.. Just make it tight and keep the trade secrets safe... There will always be something the copycats will miss. always! I think one should act fast, improve on the products , research well and have different scenarios to counter the external forces.
Sometimes our ideas get stolen because we present them raw' there is never anything tangible and for the reason the copiers will fry it on a pan.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 3:07 PM, davis waithaka <daviswaithaka@gmail.com>wrote:
If the idea can be so easily stolen, the VC or PE firm will not invest in it. The question actually should be, if the idea or business can be replicated easily, why would they invest in it?
Davis Waithaka.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Riyaz Bachani < riyaz.bachani@ke.wananchi.com> wrote:
VC or PE guys don't steal ideas ?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Oliver Ndegwa" <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com> To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 1:03:44 PM Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] “Safaricom stole my idea,” claims ManyattaRent founder
Of course private equities require a very solid business plan, a set clientele niche that is tested and a good portfolio on product development and continuous improvement. Beyond any reasonable doubts.. The capitalist must see the money, he must see what you see and so that he cant set his financial goals against your dreams.
Sometimes you have to go the extra mile and have a working system to affirm your credibility and to show how serious you are. But an idea? a lot of people will shy away from one!
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com > wrote:
Mark, that is true.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Mark Mwangi < mwangy@gmail.com > wrote:
I cringe when venture capital is seen to be the saviour of enterpreneurs.
Money is a challenge yes but it is not what determines a businesses success. Most startups that I see looking for funding barely have paying customers. I think showing a revenue stream and potential growth will interest even commercial banks. but the "free" VC money will only bring problems and exploitation by the actual owners of the startup, Whoever gave you the money.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com > wrote:
I like what Olive said, about venture capital and private equities.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Boniface < mboteb@gmail.com > wrote:
Its as simple as this. I am a manager at Safaricom and my performance contract has put me on the chopping board for underperforming. Then a startup who knows a friend who knows I work for Safaricom comes to me and therein lies my chance to salvage my job. I go for it, implement the idea with the boss, get a promotion and leave the startup distraught. I will most likely be in an authoritative position to respond to accusations once the startup complains. Then I head to the beach.
All in a days work.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Oliver Ndegwa < olie.ndegwa@gmail.com> wrote:
by the way.. Who Gives Safaricom any idea!! Its a never ever...
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Oliver Ndegwa < olie.ndegwa@gmail.com> wrote:
I think it is time for 'startups' to consider Venture capital and private equities.
This way we will get in to the right partnerships, well documented and have bargaining power when it comes to negotiating with Giants.
The business department of any company is always looking for award winning ideas, they will listen to you, think through it as they guide you to disclose what you have and as soon as they get it. Its just a twist away and PAP! they are gone.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 8:53 AM, Antony Kimani < kimanianthoni@gmail.com > wrote:
Give Safaricom Ideas week ... I like that LOL
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 6:38 AM, John Gitau < jgitau@gmail.com > wrote:
Yes let's have a 'give Safaricom ideas' week. They have the money the people the platforms and well we have the problems. I started his mail out as a joke but realized that this could work. Subject line could simply be [safaricom ideas] .... Like please can I have network in my kitchen or fiber in my house .... I'd love a flying unicorn too
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 26, 2013, at 6:17, matere lusitche < kenyabizideas@gmail.com > wrote:
I am actually giving out my ideas to safaricom for free. Just emailed one idea last month and will do so next month. One cannot patent a social innovation . Also however great my idea is, it can only work on the m-pesa backbone. On Aug 25, 2013 11:37 AM, "Kebaya" < humphreykebaya@gmail.com > wrote:
you cannot patent a way of doing business. dnt waste time taking safaricom to court. its a lost case.
On 25/08/2013, Vincent Kiama < vinikiama@gmail.com > wrote:
its rather logic.swiming with the sharks
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somewhat late to this discussion but came across this: http://www.techinasia.com/steal-ideas-startups-knowing/ On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 10:57 AM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
To the disturbed start up - "Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are any good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats." ---- Howard Aiken
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I think the notion that the idea is what translates to success is not very smart. Making usable stuff that helps peoples lives does. its the only reason linux on the desktop has not become ubiquitous. Its rather difficult o setup and use if you are not a techie. same with any other ideas that come along. Microsoft had revenue from the word go with windows. Safaricom had revenue with their first call. the margins are another matter all together.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com>wrote:
there is never a unique idea, the question is whats your approach and are you a first mover to enjoy monopoly for the time being before the market floods. If it does floods can you innovate to make business sense and look different from the floods.
Any idea can be stolen but that does not mean that people will not invest.. Just make it tight and keep the trade secrets safe... There will always be something the copycats will miss. always! I think one should act fast, improve on the products , research well and have different scenarios to counter the external forces.
Sometimes our ideas get stolen because we present them raw' there is never anything tangible and for the reason the copiers will fry it on a pan.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 3:07 PM, davis waithaka <daviswaithaka@gmail.com
wrote:
If the idea can be so easily stolen, the VC or PE firm will not invest in it. The question actually should be, if the idea or business can be replicated easily, why would they invest in it?
Davis Waithaka.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Riyaz Bachani < riyaz.bachani@ke.wananchi.com> wrote:
VC or PE guys don't steal ideas ?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Oliver Ndegwa" <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com> To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 1:03:44 PM Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] “Safaricom stole my idea,” claims ManyattaRent founder
Of course private equities require a very solid business plan, a set clientele niche that is tested and a good portfolio on product development and continuous improvement. Beyond any reasonable doubts.. The capitalist must see the money, he must see what you see and so that he cant set his financial goals against your dreams.
Sometimes you have to go the extra mile and have a working system to affirm your credibility and to show how serious you are. But an idea? a lot of people will shy away from one!
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com> wrote:
Mark, that is true.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Mark Mwangi < mwangy@gmail.com > wrote:
I cringe when venture capital is seen to be the saviour of enterpreneurs.
Money is a challenge yes but it is not what determines a businesses success. Most startups that I see looking for funding barely have paying customers. I think showing a revenue stream and potential growth will interest even commercial banks. but the "free" VC money will only bring problems and exploitation by the actual owners of the startup, Whoever gave you the money.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com> wrote:
I like what Olive said, about venture capital and private equities.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Boniface < mboteb@gmail.com > wrote:
Its as simple as this. I am a manager at Safaricom and my performance contract has put me on the chopping board for underperforming. Then a startup who knows a friend who knows I work for Safaricom comes to me and therein lies my chance to salvage my job. I go for it, implement the idea with the boss, get a promotion and leave the startup distraught. I will most likely be in an authoritative position to respond to accusations once the startup complains. Then I head to the beach.
All in a days work.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Oliver Ndegwa < olie.ndegwa@gmail.com> wrote:
by the way.. Who Gives Safaricom any idea!! Its a never ever...
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Oliver Ndegwa < olie.ndegwa@gmail.com> wrote:
I think it is time for 'startups' to consider Venture capital and private equities.
This way we will get in to the right partnerships, well documented and have bargaining power when it comes to negotiating with Giants.
The business department of any company is always looking for award winning ideas, they will listen to you, think through it as they guide you to disclose what you have and as soon as they get it. Its just a twist away and PAP! they are gone.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 8:53 AM, Antony Kimani < kimanianthoni@gmail.com > wrote:
Give Safaricom Ideas week ... I like that LOL
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 6:38 AM, John Gitau < jgitau@gmail.com > wrote:
Yes let's have a 'give Safaricom ideas' week. They have the money the people the platforms and well we have the problems. I started his mail out as a joke but realized that this could work. Subject line could simply be [safaricom ideas] .... Like please can I have network in my kitchen or fiber in my house .... I'd love a flying unicorn too
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 26, 2013, at 6:17, matere lusitche < kenyabizideas@gmail.com > wrote:
I am actually giving out my ideas to safaricom for free. Just emailed one idea last month and will do so next month. One cannot patent a social innovation . Also however great my idea is, it can only work on the m-pesa backbone. On Aug 25, 2013 11:37 AM, "Kebaya" < humphreykebaya@gmail.com > wrote:
you cannot patent a way of doing business. dnt waste time taking safaricom to court. its a lost case.
On 25/08/2013, Vincent Kiama < vinikiama@gmail.com > wrote:
its rather logic.swiming with the sharks
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Never , ever create a product or service that is solely dependent on one platform, where you are not the platform owner and the platform owner has no obligation, other than that of their good heart, to keep your product running on their platform, while they have enough money to hire ten times more people than your team, who are ten times smarter, to come up with a product similar to yours thats ten times better and make ten times more money than you. The technology you come up with has to be so good that you can patent it and if they copy, you can sue them for ten times more money than you hoped to make in your life. On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Josiah Mugambi <josiah.mugambi@gmail.com>wrote:
somewhat late to this discussion but came across this:
http://www.techinasia.com/steal-ideas-startups-knowing/
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 10:57 AM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
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I think the notion that the idea is what translates to success is not very smart. Making usable stuff that helps peoples lives does. its the only reason linux on the desktop has not become ubiquitous. Its rather difficult o setup and use if you are not a techie. same with any other ideas that come along. Microsoft had revenue from the word go with windows. Safaricom had revenue with their first call. the margins are another matter all together.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com>wrote:
there is never a unique idea, the question is whats your approach and are you a first mover to enjoy monopoly for the time being before the market floods. If it does floods can you innovate to make business sense and look different from the floods.
Any idea can be stolen but that does not mean that people will not invest.. Just make it tight and keep the trade secrets safe... There will always be something the copycats will miss. always! I think one should act fast, improve on the products , research well and have different scenarios to counter the external forces.
Sometimes our ideas get stolen because we present them raw' there is never anything tangible and for the reason the copiers will fry it on a pan.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 3:07 PM, davis waithaka < daviswaithaka@gmail.com> wrote:
If the idea can be so easily stolen, the VC or PE firm will not invest in it. The question actually should be, if the idea or business can be replicated easily, why would they invest in it?
Davis Waithaka.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Riyaz Bachani < riyaz.bachani@ke.wananchi.com> wrote:
VC or PE guys don't steal ideas ?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Oliver Ndegwa" <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com> To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 1:03:44 PM Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] “Safaricom stole my idea,” claims ManyattaRent founder
Of course private equities require a very solid business plan, a set clientele niche that is tested and a good portfolio on product development and continuous improvement. Beyond any reasonable doubts.. The capitalist must see the money, he must see what you see and so that he cant set his financial goals against your dreams.
Sometimes you have to go the extra mile and have a working system to affirm your credibility and to show how serious you are. But an idea? a lot of people will shy away from one!
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com> wrote:
Mark, that is true.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Mark Mwangi < mwangy@gmail.com > wrote:
I cringe when venture capital is seen to be the saviour of enterpreneurs.
Money is a challenge yes but it is not what determines a businesses success. Most startups that I see looking for funding barely have paying customers. I think showing a revenue stream and potential growth will interest even commercial banks. but the "free" VC money will only bring problems and exploitation by the actual owners of the startup, Whoever gave you the money.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com> wrote:
I like what Olive said, about venture capital and private equities.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Boniface < mboteb@gmail.com > wrote:
Its as simple as this. I am a manager at Safaricom and my performance contract has put me on the chopping board for underperforming. Then a startup who knows a friend who knows I work for Safaricom comes to me and therein lies my chance to salvage my job. I go for it, implement the idea with the boss, get a promotion and leave the startup distraught. I will most likely be in an authoritative position to respond to accusations once the startup complains. Then I head to the beach.
All in a days work.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Oliver Ndegwa < olie.ndegwa@gmail.com > wrote:
by the way.. Who Gives Safaricom any idea!! Its a never ever...
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Oliver Ndegwa < olie.ndegwa@gmail.com > wrote:
I think it is time for 'startups' to consider Venture capital and private equities.
This way we will get in to the right partnerships, well documented and have bargaining power when it comes to negotiating with Giants.
The business department of any company is always looking for award winning ideas, they will listen to you, think through it as they guide you to disclose what you have and as soon as they get it. Its just a twist away and PAP! they are gone.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 8:53 AM, Antony Kimani < kimanianthoni@gmail.com > wrote:
Give Safaricom Ideas week ... I like that LOL
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 6:38 AM, John Gitau < jgitau@gmail.com > wrote:
Yes let's have a 'give Safaricom ideas' week. They have the money the people the platforms and well we have the problems. I started his mail out as a joke but realized that this could work. Subject line could simply be [safaricom ideas] .... Like please can I have network in my kitchen or fiber in my house .... I'd love a flying unicorn too
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 26, 2013, at 6:17, matere lusitche < kenyabizideas@gmail.com> wrote:
I am actually giving out my ideas to safaricom for free. Just emailed one idea last month and will do so next month. One cannot patent a social innovation . Also however great my idea is, it can only work on the m-pesa backbone. On Aug 25, 2013 11:37 AM, "Kebaya" < humphreykebaya@gmail.com > wrote:
you cannot patent a way of doing business. dnt waste time taking safaricom to court. its a lost case.
On 25/08/2013, Vincent Kiama < vinikiama@gmail.com > wrote: > its rather logic.swiming with the sharks >
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tell em John ... unfortunately the options available to technopreneurs by the sheer tyranny of numbers direct us to trying to stand on the shoulders of the biggest giant in the field... now since you raised up patents and copyrights .... how do we do the do in kenya> 1. What is the process for software developments 2. Do they hold water 3. Is there any recourse on stolen ideas... On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
Never , ever create a product or service that is solely dependent on one platform, where you are not the platform owner and the platform owner has no obligation, other than that of their good heart, to keep your product running on their platform, while they have enough money to hire ten times more people than your team, who are ten times smarter, to come up with a product similar to yours thats ten times better and make ten times more money than you. The technology you come up with has to be so good that you can patent it and if they copy, you can sue them for ten times more money than you hoped to make in your life.
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Josiah Mugambi <josiah.mugambi@gmail.com>wrote:
somewhat late to this discussion but came across this:
http://www.techinasia.com/steal-ideas-startups-knowing/
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 10:57 AM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com>wrote:
To the disturbed start up - "Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are any good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats." ---- Howard Aiken
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I think the notion that the idea is what translates to success is not very smart. Making usable stuff that helps peoples lives does. its the only reason linux on the desktop has not become ubiquitous. Its rather difficult o setup and use if you are not a techie. same with any other ideas that come along. Microsoft had revenue from the word go with windows. Safaricom had revenue with their first call. the margins are another matter all together.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com>wrote:
there is never a unique idea, the question is whats your approach and are you a first mover to enjoy monopoly for the time being before the market floods. If it does floods can you innovate to make business sense and look different from the floods.
Any idea can be stolen but that does not mean that people will not invest.. Just make it tight and keep the trade secrets safe... There will always be something the copycats will miss. always! I think one should act fast, improve on the products , research well and have different scenarios to counter the external forces.
Sometimes our ideas get stolen because we present them raw' there is never anything tangible and for the reason the copiers will fry it on a pan.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 3:07 PM, davis waithaka < daviswaithaka@gmail.com> wrote:
If the idea can be so easily stolen, the VC or PE firm will not invest in it. The question actually should be, if the idea or business can be replicated easily, why would they invest in it?
Davis Waithaka.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Riyaz Bachani < riyaz.bachani@ke.wananchi.com> wrote:
> VC or PE guys don't steal ideas ? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Oliver Ndegwa" <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com> > To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 1:03:44 PM > Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] “Safaricom stole my idea,” claims > ManyattaRent founder > > > > Of course private equities require a very solid business plan, a set > clientele niche that is tested and a good portfolio on product development > and continuous improvement. > Beyond any reasonable doubts.. The capitalist must see the money, he > must see what you see and so that he cant set his financial goals against > your dreams. > > > Sometimes you have to go the extra mile and have a working system to > affirm your credibility and to show how serious you are. But an idea? a lot > of people will shy away from one! > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Mark, that is true. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Mark Mwangi < mwangy@gmail.com > > wrote: > > > > I cringe when venture capital is seen to be the saviour of > enterpreneurs. > > > Money is a challenge yes but it is not what determines a businesses > success. Most startups that I see looking for funding barely have paying > customers. I think showing a revenue stream and potential growth will > interest even commercial banks. but the "free" VC money will only bring > problems and exploitation by the actual owners of the startup, Whoever gave > you the money. > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I like what Olive said, about venture capital and private equities. > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Boniface < mboteb@gmail.com > > wrote: > > > > Its as simple as this. I am a manager at Safaricom and my > performance contract has put me on the chopping board for underperforming. > Then a startup who knows a friend who knows I work for Safaricom comes to > me and therein lies my chance to salvage my job. I go for it, implement the > idea with the boss, get a promotion and leave the startup distraught. I > will most likely be in an authoritative position to respond to accusations > once the startup complains. Then I head to the beach. > > > All in a days work. > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Oliver Ndegwa < > olie.ndegwa@gmail.com > wrote: > > > > by the way.. Who Gives Safaricom any idea!! Its a never ever... > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Oliver Ndegwa < > olie.ndegwa@gmail.com > wrote: > > > > I think it is time for 'startups' to consider Venture capital and > private equities. > > > This way we will get in to the right partnerships, well documented > and have bargaining power when it comes to negotiating with Giants. > > > The business department of any company is always looking for award > winning ideas, they will listen to you, think through it as they guide you > to disclose what you have and as soon as they get it. Its just a twist away > and PAP! they are gone. > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 8:53 AM, Antony Kimani < > kimanianthoni@gmail.com > wrote: > > > > Give Safaricom Ideas week ... I like that LOL > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 6:38 AM, John Gitau < jgitau@gmail.com > > wrote: > > > > > Yes let's have a 'give Safaricom ideas' week. They have the money > the people the platforms and well we have the problems. I started his mail > out as a joke but realized that this could work. Subject line could simply > be [safaricom ideas] .... Like please can I have network in my kitchen or > fiber in my house .... I'd love a flying unicorn too > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Aug 26, 2013, at 6:17, matere lusitche < kenyabizideas@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > I am actually giving out my ideas to safaricom for free. Just > emailed one idea last month and will do so next month. > One cannot patent a social innovation . > Also however great my idea is, it can only work on the m-pesa > backbone. > On Aug 25, 2013 11:37 AM, "Kebaya" < humphreykebaya@gmail.com > > wrote: > > > you cannot patent a way of doing business. dnt waste time taking > safaricom to court. its a lost case. > > On 25/08/2013, Vincent Kiama < vinikiama@gmail.com > wrote: > > its rather logic.swiming with the sharks > > > > > -- > > > *Psalms 23* > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > > > -- > > __________________________________________________________________________ > Out of clutter, find simplicity. 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-- Sent from my Voice Recognition Watch© -------------------------------------------------------------------- Our greatest fear is not that we are inadequate,but that we are powerful beyond measure.It is our light, not our darkness, that frightens us.There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you.As we let our own light shine, we consciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our fear,our presence automatically liberates others.
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Josiah Mugambi -
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Mark Mwangi -
matere lusitche -
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Oliver Ndegwa -
Riyaz Bachani -
Stephen Wanjau -
Vincent Kiama