Re: [Skunkworks] Safaricom wont stoop down to unsustainable pricing, MJ and his have their heads screwed on right - http://bit.ly/db6MYx
I thought this was a joke until someone from Safaricom called to confirm.� Lol hehehe things are truly elephant.� If you won't go to the fight, they will take the fight to you!�� For the first time Safaricom has a real competitor in Bharti Airtel.� The rest of the guys were just joking.� May the best man win!. Kingz For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others. Nelson Mandela�
----- Original message ----- From: "Alvin Jason Ochieng" <ajochola@gmail.com> To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Safaricom wont stoop down to unsustainable pricing, MJ and his have their heads screwed on right - http://bit.ly/db6MYx Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 13:03:49 +0300
LOL !!! Margaret !!
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 12:39 PM, margaret wanjiru <mwanjiru07@gmail.com> wrote:
This is going too far now.....a Zain promotional truck is moving
slowly
outside the safaricom HQ with the loudest music off the main high way.... On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
As this post will never end what do we as Subscribers care about??
Isn't it just cheaper rates with good quality ??
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Joram Mwinamo
<joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>
wrote:
Let me ask guys on this page. If your competitor slashed prices for the sake of it, do you slash yours immediately? In my opinion the folly therein lies in believing that your services are of equal value and your economics are the same. Which I think is not the case here There has been euphoria as is the usual kenyan behaviour (elections, IPOs , Pyramid schemes) without considering the bigger picture. To date few of my friends who did not already have a Zain line bought one. Which means that they probably just call more from Zain but still carry out their surfing, money transfer and mobile banking from their safcom line. And when they run out of Zain airtime in an area without a dealer, still call from safaricom Also I dont believe Safaricom are dropping prices this week purely on zains assault, they are probably just doing it faster, because price reduction after CCKs move would only have been hampered if the big 4 telecoms colluded not to reduce prices. After which CCK would have still cracked the whip. Lets understand the business behind safaricom. Not just wish doom on them because they are succesful Joram
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
On 23 August 2010 09:47, Peter Osotsi <peter.osotsi@gmail.com>
wrote:
Its like having a disloyal wife, there's nothing you can do as
long as
you love her and her waywardness.
My simple take.
As long as a woman is beautiful, she'll never lack suitors!!!
/.0721586109// /.0733911199//
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 9:29 AM, marto <martow@gmail.com> wrote: > > The CCK consultants study�put the�cost of setting up a call at > Ksh0.88, > http://tinyurl.com/3xyqg8g > > > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Oliver Ndegwa > <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> For safaricom to put their foot down and say that they are not
moved
>> by >> Zain's move, its completely infamous. Either these guys were not >> prepared >> for such or I would call their stance� the last kicks of a dying >> horse. >> Very� very powerful and resistant. They need to swarrow their pride >> and come >> back to their senses and start to understand that the long queues in >> Zain >> shops are not people registering as voters. These are safaricom >> customers >> making a big switch. >>
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thanks @watson. On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 2:10 PM, King'ori Gitahi <kingorigitahi@ovi.com> wrote:
I thought this was a joke until someone from Safaricom called to confirm. Lol hehehe things are truly elephant. If you won't go to the fight, they will take the fight to you! For the first time Safaricom has a real competitor in Bharti Airtel. The rest of the guys were just joking. May the best man win!.
Kingz
For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others.
Nelson Mandela
----- Original message ----- From: "Alvin Jason Ochieng" <ajochola@gmail.com> To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Safaricom wont stoop down to unsustainable pricing, MJ and his have their heads screwed on right - http://bit.ly/db6MYx Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 13:03:49 +0300
LOL !!! Margaret !!
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 12:39 PM, margaret wanjiru <mwanjiru07@gmail.com> wrote:
This is going too far now.....a Zain promotional truck is moving slowly outside the safaricom HQ with the loudest music off the main high way.... On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
As this post will never end what do we as Subscribers care about??
Isn't it just cheaper rates with good quality ??
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:
Let me ask guys on this page. If your competitor slashed prices for the sake of it, do you slash yours immediately? In my opinion the folly therein lies in believing that your services are of equal value and your economics are the same. Which I think is not the case here There has been euphoria as is the usual kenyan behaviour (elections, IPOs , Pyramid schemes) without considering the bigger picture. To date few of my friends who did not already have a Zain line bought one. Which means that they probably just call more from Zain but still carry out their surfing, money transfer and mobile banking from their safcom line. And when they run out of Zain airtime in an area without a dealer, still call from safaricom Also I dont believe Safaricom are dropping prices this week purely on zains assault, they are probably just doing it faster, because price reduction after CCKs move would only have been hampered if the big 4 telecoms colluded not to reduce prices. After which CCK would have still cracked the whip. Lets understand the business behind safaricom. Not just wish doom on them because they are succesful Joram
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
On 23 August 2010 09:47, Peter Osotsi <peter.osotsi@gmail.com> wrote: > > Its like having a disloyal wife, there's nothing you can do as long > as > you love her and her waywardness. > > My simple take.
As long as a woman is beautiful, she'll never lack suitors!!! > > /.0721586109// > /.0733911199// > > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 9:29 AM, marto <martow@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> The CCK consultants study put the cost of setting up a call at >> Ksh0.88, >> http://tinyurl.com/3xyqg8g >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Oliver Ndegwa >> <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> For safaricom to put their foot down and say that they are not >>> moved >>> by >>> Zain's move, its completely infamous. Either these guys were not >>> prepared >>> for such or I would call their stance the last kicks of a dying >>> horse. >>> Very very powerful and resistant. They need to swarrow their >>> pride >>> and come >>> back to their senses and start to understand that the long queues >>> in >>> Zain >>> shops are not people registering as voters. These are safaricom >>> customers >>> making a big switch. >>> > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet > > >
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW8hpVLIFZo thats the youtube link. On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 2:51 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
thanks @watson.
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 2:10 PM, King'ori Gitahi <kingorigitahi@ovi.com> wrote:
I thought this was a joke until someone from Safaricom called to confirm. Lol hehehe things are truly elephant. If you won't go to the fight, they will take the fight to you! For the first time Safaricom has a real competitor in Bharti Airtel. The rest of the guys were just joking. May the best man win!.
Kingz
For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others.
Nelson Mandela
----- Original message ----- From: "Alvin Jason Ochieng" <ajochola@gmail.com> To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Safaricom wont stoop down to unsustainable pricing, MJ and his have their heads screwed on right - http://bit.ly/db6MYx Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 13:03:49 +0300
LOL !!! Margaret !!
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 12:39 PM, margaret wanjiru <mwanjiru07@gmail.com> wrote:
This is going too far now.....a Zain promotional truck is moving
slowly
outside the safaricom HQ with the loudest music off the main high way.... On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
As this post will never end what do we as Subscribers care about??
Isn't it just cheaper rates with good quality ??
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:
Let me ask guys on this page. If your competitor slashed prices for the sake of it, do you slash yours immediately? In my opinion the folly therein lies in believing that your services are of equal value and your
economics
are the same. Which I think is not the case here There has been euphoria as is the usual kenyan behaviour (elections, IPOs , Pyramid schemes) without considering the bigger picture. To date few of my friends who did not already have a Zain line bought one. Which means that they probably just call more from Zain but still carry out their surfing, money transfer and mobile banking from their safcom line. And when they run out of Zain airtime in an area without a dealer, still call from safaricom Also I dont believe Safaricom are dropping prices this week purely on zains assault, they are probably just doing it faster, because price reduction after CCKs move would only have been hampered if the big 4 telecoms colluded not to reduce prices. After which CCK would have still cracked the whip. Lets understand the business behind safaricom. Not just wish doom on them because they are succesful Joram
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On 23 August 2010 09:47, Peter Osotsi <peter.osotsi@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Its like having a disloyal wife, there's nothing you can do as long >> as >> you love her and her waywardness. >> >> My simple take. > > As long as a woman is beautiful, she'll never lack suitors!!! >> >> /.0721586109// >> /.0733911199// >> >> On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 9:29 AM, marto <martow@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> The CCK consultants study put the cost of setting up a call at >>> Ksh0.88, >>> http://tinyurl.com/3xyqg8g >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Oliver Ndegwa >>> <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> For safaricom to put their foot down and say that they are not >>>> moved >>>> by >>>> Zain's move, its completely infamous. Either these guys were not >>>> prepared >>>> for such or I would call their stance the last kicks of a dying >>>> horse. >>>> Very very powerful and resistant. They need to swarrow their >>>> pride >>>> and come >>>> back to their senses and start to understand that the long queues >>>> in >>>> Zain >>>> shops are not people registering as voters. These are safaricom >>>> customers >>>> making a big switch. >>>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet >> >> >>
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That's childish.... ./bernard On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Jacob Odada <jacob.odada@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW8hpVLIFZo
thats the youtube link.
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 2:51 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
thanks @watson.
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 2:10 PM, King'ori Gitahi <kingorigitahi@ovi.com> wrote:
I thought this was a joke until someone from Safaricom called to confirm. Lol hehehe things are truly elephant. If you won't go to the fight, they will take the fight to you! For the first time Safaricom has a real competitor in Bharti Airtel. The rest of the guys were just joking. May the best man win!.
Kingz
For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others.
Nelson Mandela
----- Original message ----- From: "Alvin Jason Ochieng" <ajochola@gmail.com> To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Safaricom wont stoop down to unsustainable pricing, MJ and his have their heads screwed on right - http://bit.ly/db6MYx Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 13:03:49 +0300
LOL !!! Margaret !!
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 12:39 PM, margaret wanjiru <mwanjiru07@gmail.com> wrote:
This is going too far now.....a Zain promotional truck is moving
slowly
outside the safaricom HQ with the loudest music off the main high way.... On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
As this post will never end what do we as Subscribers care about??
Isn't it just cheaper rates with good quality ??
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote: > Let me ask guys on this page. If your competitor slashed prices
for
> the > sake > of it, do you slash yours immediately? In my opinion the folly > therein > lies > in believing that your services are of equal value and your economics > are > the same. Which I think is not the case here > There has been euphoria as is the usual kenyan behaviour (elections, > IPOs , > Pyramid schemes) without considering the bigger picture. To date few > of > my > friends who did not already have a Zain line bought one. Which means > that > they probably just call more from Zain but still carry out their > surfing, > money transfer and mobile banking from their safcom line. And when > they > run > out of Zain airtime in an area without a dealer, still call from > safaricom > Also I dont believe Safaricom are dropping prices this week purely on > zains > assault, they are probably just doing it faster, because price > reduction > after CCKs move would only have been hampered if the big 4 telecoms > colluded > not to reduce prices. After which CCK would have still cracked the > whip. > Lets understand the business behind safaricom. Not just wish doom on > them > because they are succesful > Joram > > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Solomon Mburu Kamau > <solo.mburu@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> >> On 23 August 2010 09:47, Peter Osotsi <peter.osotsi@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> Its like having a disloyal wife, there's nothing you can do as long >>> as >>> you love her and her waywardness. >>> >>> My simple take. >> >> As long as a woman is beautiful, she'll never lack suitors!!! >>> >>> /.0721586109// >>> /.0733911199// >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 9:29 AM, marto <martow@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> The CCK consultants study put the cost of setting up a call at >>>> Ksh0.88, >>>> http://tinyurl.com/3xyqg8g >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Oliver Ndegwa >>>> <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> For safaricom to put their foot down and say that they are not >>>>> moved >>>>> by >>>>> Zain's move, its completely infamous. Either these guys were not >>>>> prepared >>>>> for such or I would call their stance the last kicks of a dying >>>>> horse. >>>>> Very very powerful and resistant. They need to swarrow their >>>>> pride >>>>> and come >>>>> back to their senses and start to understand that the long queues >>>>> in >>>>> Zain >>>>> shops are not people registering as voters. These are safaricom >>>>> customers >>>>> making a big switch. >>>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Skunkworks mailing list >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet >>> >>> >>>
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On 23 August 2010 15:07, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
That's childish....
./bernard
Who or what?
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Jacob Odada <jacob.odada@gmail.com>wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW8hpVLIFZo
thats the youtube link.
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 2:51 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
thanks @watson.
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 2:10 PM, King'ori Gitahi <kingorigitahi@ovi.com> wrote:
I thought this was a joke until someone from Safaricom called to confirm. Lol hehehe things are truly elephant. If you won't go to the fight, they will take the fight to you! For the first time Safaricom has a real competitor in Bharti Airtel. The rest of the guys were just joking. May the best man win!.
Kingz
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----- Original message ----- From: "Alvin Jason Ochieng" <ajochola@gmail.com> To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Safaricom wont stoop down to unsustainable pricing, MJ and his have their heads screwed on right - http://bit.ly/db6MYx Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 13:03:49 +0300
LOL !!! Margaret !!
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 12:39 PM, margaret wanjiru <mwanjiru07@gmail.com> wrote:
This is going too far now.....a Zain promotional truck is moving
slowly
outside the safaricom HQ with the loudest music off the main high way.... On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote: > > As this post will never end what do we as Subscribers care about?? > > Isn't it just cheaper rates with good quality ?? > > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Joram Mwinamo > <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Let me ask guys on this page. If your competitor slashed prices for > > the > > sake > > of it, do you slash yours immediately? In my opinion the folly > > therein > > lies > > in believing that your services are of equal value and your economics > > are > > the same. Which I think is not the case here > > There has been euphoria as is the usual kenyan behaviour (elections, > > IPOs , > > Pyramid schemes) without considering the bigger picture. To date few > > of > > my > > friends who did not already have a Zain line bought one. Which means > > that > > they probably just call more from Zain but still carry out their > > surfing, > > money transfer and mobile banking from their safcom line. And when > > they > > run > > out of Zain airtime in an area without a dealer, still call from > > safaricom > > Also I dont believe Safaricom are dropping prices this week purely on > > zains > > assault, they are probably just doing it faster, because price > > reduction > > after CCKs move would only have been hampered if the big 4 telecoms > > colluded > > not to reduce prices. After which CCK would have still cracked the > > whip. > > Lets understand the business behind safaricom. Not just wish doom on > > them > > because they are succesful > > Joram > > > > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Solomon Mburu Kamau > > <solo.mburu@gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> > >> On 23 August 2010 09:47, Peter Osotsi <peter.osotsi@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Its like having a disloyal wife, there's nothing you can do as long > >>> as > >>> you love her and her waywardness. > >>> > >>> My simple take. > >> > >> As long as a woman is beautiful, she'll never lack suitors!!! > >>> > >>> /.0721586109// > >>> /.0733911199// > >>> > >>> On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 9:29 AM, marto <martow@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> The CCK consultants study put the cost of setting up a call at > >>>> Ksh0.88, > >>>> http://tinyurl.com/3xyqg8g > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Oliver Ndegwa > >>>> <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> For safaricom to put their foot down and say that they are not > >>>>> moved > >>>>> by > >>>>> Zain's move, its completely infamous. Either these guys were not > >>>>> prepared > >>>>> for such or I would call their stance the last kicks of a dying > >>>>> horse. > >>>>> Very very powerful and resistant. They need to swarrow their > >>>>> pride > >>>>> and come > >>>>> back to their senses and start to understand that the long queues > >>>>> in > >>>>> Zain > >>>>> shops are not people registering as voters. These are safaricom > >>>>> customers > >>>>> making a big switch. > >>>>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Skunkworks mailing list > >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > >>> ------------ > >>> Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet > >>> > >>> > >>> > > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... > >>> ------------ > >>> Skunkworks Rules > >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > >>> ------------ > >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau > >> > >> ***************************************************** > >> Man is a gregarious animal and enjoys agreement as cows will graze > >> all > >> the > >> same way to the side of a hill! > >> > >> AND > >> > >> It is better to die in dignity than in the ignominy of ambiguous > >> generosity! > >> > >> http://smiley2.wordpress.com > >> http://mburu.sikika.co.ke > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Skunkworks mailing list > >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > >> ------------ > >> Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet > >> > >> > >> > > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... > >> ------------ > >> Skunkworks Rules > >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > >> ------------ > >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from my Voice Recognition Watch© > >
> > God is not an excuse for lack of discipline > >
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The idea of having the truck blasting "bend over" outside Safcom....I see it actually parked outside the building...what for? Was that to woo safcom employees into buying zain SIM cards ???I dont think so...Those trucks are used for promoting products to consumers....it would not make sense if citizen/royal media parked outside KBC offices, blaring music at KBC staff....now that would be childish! ./bernard On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:
On 23 August 2010 15:07, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
That's childish....
./bernard
Who or what?
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Jacob Odada <jacob.odada@gmail.com>wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW8hpVLIFZo
thats the youtube link.
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 2:51 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
thanks @watson.
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 2:10 PM, King'ori Gitahi <kingorigitahi@ovi.com> wrote:
I thought this was a joke until someone from Safaricom called to confirm. Lol hehehe things are truly elephant. If you won't go to the fight, they will take the fight to you! For the first time Safaricom has a real competitor in Bharti Airtel. The rest of the guys were just joking. May the best man win!.
Kingz
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----- Original message ----- From: "Alvin Jason Ochieng" <ajochola@gmail.com> To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Safaricom wont stoop down to unsustainable pricing, MJ and his have their heads screwed on right - http://bit.ly/db6MYx Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 13:03:49 +0300
LOL !!! Margaret !!
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 12:39 PM, margaret wanjiru <mwanjiru07@gmail.com> wrote: > > This is going too far now.....a Zain promotional truck is moving slowly > outside the safaricom HQ with the loudest music off the main high > way.... > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng > <ajochola@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> As this post will never end what do we as Subscribers care about?? >> >> Isn't it just cheaper rates with good quality ?? >> >> On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Joram Mwinamo >> <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > Let me ask guys on this page. If your competitor slashed prices for >> > the >> > sake >> > of it, do you slash yours immediately? In my opinion the folly >> > therein >> > lies >> > in believing that your services are of equal value and your economics >> > are >> > the same. Which I think is not the case here >> > There has been euphoria as is the usual kenyan behaviour (elections, >> > IPOs , >> > Pyramid schemes) without considering the bigger picture. To date few >> > of >> > my >> > friends who did not already have a Zain line bought one. Which means >> > that >> > they probably just call more from Zain but still carry out their >> > surfing, >> > money transfer and mobile banking from their safcom line. And when >> > they >> > run >> > out of Zain airtime in an area without a dealer, still call from >> > safaricom >> > Also I dont believe Safaricom are dropping prices this week purely on >> > zains >> > assault, they are probably just doing it faster, because price >> > reduction >> > after CCKs move would only have been hampered if the big 4 telecoms >> > colluded >> > not to reduce prices. After which CCK would have still cracked the >> > whip. >> > Lets understand the business behind safaricom. Not just wish doom on >> > them >> > because they are succesful >> > Joram >> > >> > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Solomon Mburu Kamau >> > <solo.mburu@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> On 23 August 2010 09:47, Peter Osotsi <peter.osotsi@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Its like having a disloyal wife, there's nothing you can do as long >> >>> as >> >>> you love her and her waywardness. >> >>> >> >>> My simple take. >> >> >> >> As long as a woman is beautiful, she'll never lack suitors!!! >> >>> >> >>> /.0721586109// >> >>> /.0733911199// >> >>> >> >>> On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 9:29 AM, marto <martow@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> The CCK consultants study put the cost of setting up a call at >> >>>> Ksh0.88, >> >>>> http://tinyurl.com/3xyqg8g >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Oliver Ndegwa >> >>>> <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> For safaricom to put their foot down and say that they are not >> >>>>> moved >> >>>>> by >> >>>>> Zain's move, its completely infamous. Either these guys were not >> >>>>> prepared >> >>>>> for such or I would call their stance the last kicks of a dying >> >>>>> horse. >> >>>>> Very very powerful and resistant. They need to swarrow their >> >>>>> pride >> >>>>> and come >> >>>>> back to their senses and start to understand that the long queues >> >>>>> in >> >>>>> Zain >> >>>>> shops are not people registering as voters. These are safaricom >> >>>>> customers >> >>>>> making a big switch. >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Skunkworks mailing list >> >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> >>> ------------ >> >>> Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... >> >>> ------------ >> >>> Skunkworks Rules >> >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> >>> ------------ >> >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau >> >> >> >> ***************************************************** >> >> Man is a gregarious animal and enjoys agreement as cows will graze >> >> all >> >> the >> >> same way to the side of a hill! >> >> >> >> AND >> >> >> >> It is better to die in dignity than in the ignominy of ambiguous >> >> generosity! >> >> >> >> http://smiley2.wordpress.com >> >> http://mburu.sikika.co.ke >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Skunkworks mailing list >> >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... >> >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> >> ------------ >> >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Sent from my Voice Recognition Watch© >> >
>> > God is not an excuse for lack of discipline >> >
>> > Our greatest fear is not that we are inadequate,but that we are >> > powerful >> > beyond measure.It is our light, not our darkness, that frightens >> > us.There is >> > nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel >> > insecure >> > around you.As we let our own light shine, we consciously give other >> > people >> > permission to do the same. >> > As we are liberated from our fear,our presence automatically >> > liberates >> > others. >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Skunkworks mailing list >> > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> > ------------ >> > Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet >> > >> > >> >> http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... >> > ------------ >> > Skunkworks Rules >> > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> > ------------ >> > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet >> >> >> http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > -- > Regards, > Margaret. > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet > > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
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On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
The idea of having the truck blasting "bend over" outside Safcom....I see it actually parked outside the building...what for? Was that to woo safcom employees into buying zain SIM cards ???I dont think so...Those trucks are used for promoting products to consumers....it would not make sense if citizen/royal media parked outside KBC offices, blaring music at KBC staff....now that would be childish! <http://my.co.ke>
Bernard, if that was the "intention" of Zain, and it can be proven, then that constitutes childishness and it's proper to have action taken against them. OTOH, if it can be proved that their time table indicated their venue was to be where they are today, then I it's just life! -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
but then again can anyone prove the truck belongs to Zain? Is someone trying to be malicious? maybe Mj has hired the track to seek sympathy which hapati. Or its Orange or YU guys playing mischief or XYZ on location for their next show. KT, M: +254 722 28 98 04 www.mondeas.com “When you are busy making excuses, you are not making money, making friends, or making the world a better place. Every loser out there has an excuse as to why they’re not a winner – but at the end of the day, they’re still a loser with an excuse.” -Tana Goertz On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
The idea of having the truck blasting "bend over" outside Safcom....I see it actually parked outside the building...what for? Was that to woo safcom employees into buying zain SIM cards ???I dont think so...Those trucks are used for promoting products to consumers....it would not make sense if citizen/royal media parked outside KBC offices, blaring music at KBC staff....now that would be childish!
Bernard, if that was the "intention" of Zain, and it can be proven, then that constitutes childishness and it's proper to have action taken against them. OTOH, if it can be proved that their time table indicated their venue was to be where they are today, then I it's just life!
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On 23 August 2010 15:33, Ken Teyie <kenteyie@gmail.com> wrote:
but then again can anyone prove the truck belongs to Zain? Is someone trying to be malicious? maybe Mj has hired the track to seek sympathy which hapati. Or its Orange or YU guys playing mischief or XYZ on location for their next show.
Sisemi kitu. Thisi is becoming hilarious!!!
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On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com>
wrote:
The idea of having the truck blasting "bend over" outside Safcom....I
see
it actually parked outside the building...what for? Was that to woo safcom employees into buying zain SIM cards ???I dont think so...Those trucks are used for promoting products to consumers....it would not make sense if citizen/royal media parked outside KBC offices, blaring music at KBC staff....now that would be childish!
Bernard, if that was the "intention" of Zain, and it can be proven, then that constitutes childishness and it's proper to have action taken against them. OTOH, if it can be proved that their time table indicated their venue was to be where they are today, then I it's just life!
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Lol!!! This has made my day.. -----Original Message----- From: Jacob Odada <jacob.odada@gmail.com> Reply-to: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Safaricom wont stoop down to unsustainable pricing, MJ and his have their heads screwed on right - http://bit.ly/db6MYx Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 14:53:10 +0300 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW8hpVLIFZo thats the youtube link. On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 2:51 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote: thanks @watson. On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 2:10 PM, King'ori Gitahi <kingorigitahi@ovi.com> wrote: > I thought this was a joke until someone from Safaricom called to confirm. > Lol hehehe things are truly elephant. If you won't go to the fight, they > will take the fight to you! For the first time Safaricom has a real > competitor in Bharti Airtel. The rest of the guys were just joking. May > the best man win!. > > Kingz > > > > For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way > that respects and enhances the freedom of others. > > Nelson Mandela > > > > > >> ----- Original message ----- >> From: "Alvin Jason Ochieng" <ajochola@gmail.com> >> To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> >> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Safaricom wont stoop down to unsustainable >> pricing, MJ and his have their heads screwed on right - http://bit.ly/db6MYx >> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 13:03:49 +0300 >> >> >>LOL !!! Margaret !! >> >> On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 12:39 PM, margaret wanjiru >> <mwanjiru07@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > This is going too far now.....a Zain promotional truck is moving slowly >> > outside the safaricom HQ with the loudest music off the main high >> > way.... >> > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng >> > <ajochola@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> As this post will never end what do we as Subscribers care about?? >> >> >> >> Isn't it just cheaper rates with good quality ?? >> >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Joram Mwinamo >> >> <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> > Let me ask guys on this page. If your competitor slashed prices for >> >> > the >> >> > sake >> >> > of it, do you slash yours immediately? In my opinion the folly >> >> > therein >> >> > lies >> >> > in believing that your services are of equal value and your economics >> >> > are >> >> > the same. Which I think is not the case here >> >> > There has been euphoria as is the usual kenyan behaviour (elections, >> >> > IPOs , >> >> > Pyramid schemes) without considering the bigger picture. To date few >> >> > of >> >> > my >> >> > friends who did not already have a Zain line bought one. Which means >> >> > that >> >> > they probably just call more from Zain but still carry out their >> >> > surfing, >> >> > money transfer and mobile banking from their safcom line. And when >> >> > they >> >> > run >> >> > out of Zain airtime in an area without a dealer, still call from >> >> > safaricom >> >> > Also I dont believe Safaricom are dropping prices this week purely on >> >> > zains >> >> > assault, they are probably just doing it faster, because price >> >> > reduction >> >> > after CCKs move would only have been hampered if the big 4 telecoms >> >> > colluded >> >> > not to reduce prices. After which CCK would have still cracked the >> >> > whip. >> >> > Lets understand the business behind safaricom. Not just wish doom on >> >> > them >> >> > because they are succesful >> >> > Joram >> >> > >> >> > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Solomon Mburu Kamau >> >> > <solo.mburu@gmail.com> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 23 August 2010 09:47, Peter Osotsi <peter.osotsi@gmail.com> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Its like having a disloyal wife, there's nothing you can do as long >> >> >>> as >> >> >>> you love her and her waywardness. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> My simple take. >> >> >> >> >> >> As long as a woman is beautiful, she'll never lack suitors!!! >> >> >>> >> >> >>> /.0721586109// >> >> >>> /.0733911199// >> >> >>> >> >> >>> On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 9:29 AM, marto <martow@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> The CCK consultants study put the cost of setting up a call at >> >> >>>> Ksh0.88, >> >> >>>> http://tinyurl.com/3xyqg8g >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Oliver Ndegwa >> >> >>>> <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com> >> >> >>>> wrote: >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> For safaricom to put their foot down and say that they are not >> >> >>>>> moved >> >> >>>>> by >> >> >>>>> Zain's move, its completely infamous. Either these guys were not >> >> >>>>> prepared >> >> >>>>> for such or I would call their stance the last kicks of a dying >> >> >>>>> horse. >> >> >>>>> Very very powerful and resistant. They need to swarrow their >> >> >>>>> pride >> >> >>>>> and come >> >> >>>>> back to their senses and start to understand that the long queues >> >> >>>>> in >> >> >>>>> Zain >> >> >>>>> shops are not people registering as voters. 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"Usimwone simba aliyenyeshewa ukadhani ni paka," if suffuringcon were to reduce their rates to 2bob within network and 3 bob across network where will Zain or YU hide?? it will probably be their demise. KT, M: +254 722 28 98 04 www.mondeas.com “When you are busy making excuses, you are not making money, making friends, or making the world a better place. Every loser out there has an excuse as to why they’re not a winner – but at the end of the day, they’re still a loser with an excuse.” -Tana Goertz On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 2:10 PM, King'ori Gitahi <kingorigitahi@ovi.com> wrote:
y to cast off one's chains, but to l
well, zain was reported to have said that this was the first amongst four strategies. Bluff or do they have 3 other strategies?
On 23 August 2010 14:53, Ken Teyie <kenteyie@gmail.com> wrote:
"Usimwone simba aliyenyeshewa ukadhani ni paka," if suffuringcon were to reduce their rates to 2bob within network and 3 bob across network where will Zain or YU hide?? it will probably be their demise.
And if Zain and YU do the same? Safaricom can not do that, it'll be a demise to them pia
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On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 2:10 PM, King'ori Gitahi <kingorigitahi@ovi.com> wrote:
y to cast off one's chains, but to l
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And if Zain and YU do the same? Safaricom can not do that, it'll be a demise to them pia
Safaricom are currently the only network that can leverage economies of scale... Basically, if all charge the same rate, Safaricom, all factors remaining constant, will have at least 6 times the revenue of the competition given market share... -- With Regards, Phares Kariuki | T: +254 734 810 802 | E: pkariuki@gmail.com | Twitter: kaboro | Skype: kariukiphares |
Bharti is already leveraging economies of scale ...and has capacity to do more ....Orange can also .....the odd one out is......use elimination method.... From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Phares Kariuki Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 3:02 PM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Safaricom wont stoop down to unsustainable pricing, MJ and his have their heads screwed on right - http://bit.ly/db6MYx And if Zain and YU do the same? Safaricom can not do that, it'll be a demise to them pia Safaricom are currently the only network that can leverage economies of scale... Basically, if all charge the same rate, Safaricom, all factors remaining constant, will have at least 6 times the revenue of the competition given market share... -- With Regards, Phares Kariuki | T: +254 734 810 802 | E: pkariuki@gmail.com<mailto:pkariuki@gmail.com> | Twitter: kaboro | Skype: kariukiphares | ________________________________ Strathmore University provides all-round education in an atmosphere of freedom and responsibility. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for use by the recipient(s) to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential information. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and permanently delete this email and/or any files attached to it from your computer. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Strathmore University. The University accepts no liability whatsoever for any loss or damages incurred, or suffered, resulting, or arising, from the use of this email and/or its attachments. The University warrants neither the integrity of the e-mail nor its freedom from errors, viruses, interception or any other form of interference. ............................................................................ Website: www.strathmore.edu
For you to leverage an economy of scale, a prerequisite is a high number of customers/units produced. e.g. Toyota can leverage economies of scale, Maserati, not quite... Safaricom currently has the most subscribers, they can afford to have the lowest call tarriff... Zain, not so much... They don't have as many people on their network and have to maintain an equally large network, meaning that their cost per subscriber is actually *higher*... They will leverage said economies of scale if/when they have more subscribers on their network. For now, that's fairly heated air. If you are looking at it from a global perspective, each operation is supposed to be a separate legal and fiscal entity, hence Orange is not too keen on financing it's Kenya operation from the other operations. Why? You basically take capital away from a performing business and pour it into a non-performing one, meaning you are weaker in that one business and not necessarily any stronger in your non-performing operation.... On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Pius Walela <PWalela@strathmore.edu> wrote:
Bharti is already leveraging economies of scale …and has capacity to do more ….Orange can also …..the odd one out is……use elimination method….
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And if Zain and YU do the same?
Safaricom can not do that, it'll be a demise to them pia
Safaricom are currently the only network that can leverage economies of scale... Basically, if all charge the same rate, Safaricom, all factors remaining constant, will have at least 6 times the revenue of the competition given market share...
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Would this suffice : 1.Bharti is one of Asia's leading integrated telecom services providers with operations in 19 countries across Asia and Africa.(Scale) 2.Further The Telemedia business provides broadband, IPTV and telephone services in 89 Indian cities.(Diversity) Ref: http://www.airtel.in/wps/wcm/connect/about+bharti+airtel/Bharti+Airtel/About... From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Phares Kariuki Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 3:38 PM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Safaricom wont stoop down to unsustainable pricing, MJ and his have their heads screwed on right - http://bit.ly/db6MYx For you to leverage an economy of scale, a prerequisite is a high number of customers/units produced. e.g. Toyota can leverage economies of scale, Maserati, not quite... Safaricom currently has the most subscribers, they can afford to have the lowest call tarriff... Zain, not so much... They don't have as many people on their network and have to maintain an equally large network, meaning that their cost per subscriber is actually *higher*... They will leverage said economies of scale if/when they have more subscribers on their network. For now, that's fairly heated air. If you are looking at it from a global perspective, each operation is supposed to be a separate legal and fiscal entity, hence Orange is not too keen on financing it's Kenya operation from the other operations. Why? You basically take capital away from a performing business and pour it into a non-performing one, meaning you are weaker in that one business and not necessarily any stronger in your non-performing operation.... On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Pius Walela <PWalela@strathmore.edu<mailto:PWalela@strathmore.edu>> wrote: Bharti is already leveraging economies of scale ...and has capacity to do more ....Orange can also .....the odd one out is......use elimination method.... From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke<mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke> [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke<mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke>] On Behalf Of Phares Kariuki Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 3:02 PM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Safaricom wont stoop down to unsustainable pricing, MJ and his have their heads screwed on right - http://bit.ly/db6MYx And if Zain and YU do the same? Safaricom can not do that, it'll be a demise to them pia Safaricom are currently the only network that can leverage economies of scale... Basically, if all charge the same rate, Safaricom, all factors remaining constant, will have at least 6 times the revenue of the competition given market share... -- With Regards, Phares Kariuki | T: +254 734 810 802 | E: pkariuki@gmail.com<mailto:pkariuki@gmail.com> | Twitter: kaboro | Skype: kariukiphares | ________________________________ Strathmore University provides all-round education in an atmosphere of freedom and responsibility. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for use by the recipient(s) to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential information. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and permanently delete this email and/or any files attached to it from your computer. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Strathmore University. The University accepts no liability whatsoever for any loss or damages incurred, or suffered, resulting, or arising, from the use of this email and/or its attachments. The University warrants neither the integrity of the e-mail nor its freedom from errors, viruses, interception or any other form of interference. ............................................................................ Website: www.strathmore.edu<http://www.strathmore.edu> _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke<mailto:Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke -- With Regards, Phares Kariuki | T: +254 734 810 802 | E: pkariuki@gmail.com<mailto:pkariuki@gmail.com> | Twitter: kaboro | Skype: kariukiphares |
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
For you to leverage an economy of scale, a prerequisite is a high number of customers/units produced. e.g. Toyota can leverage economies of scale, Maserati, not quite... Safaricom currently has the most subscribers, they can afford to have the lowest call tarriff... Zain, not so much... They don't have as many people on their network and have to maintain an equally large network, meaning that their cost per subscriber is actually *higher*... They will leverage said economies of scale if/when they have more subscribers on their network. For now, that's fairly heated air.
@Phares, I will not comment on your second paragraph, but for the first, please 's/Zain/Bhart Airtel/g' and you'll see that what we are calling Zain here is not and as such Safaricom really needs to think. I am fearing for my shares at the NSE already. Safaricom should take courage and just think this out - they are not dealing with Zain anymore because it is not! -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
Guys, what if Zains price is the lowest economically sustainable price? Safaricom can't go (sustainably) lower than that. And if they match Zain, then they still lose face. I just wonder why we are all assuming that the guys at Bharti don't know what they are doing. They have been doing this succesfully in India. It is a game of largest volumes at the lowest possible price you can charge. Airtel is looking to boost its volumes. All in all, my take is Safaricom will loose signinficant market share and Zain/Airtel wil gain significant market share. The winner here is you and I. Boy am I enjoying watching this unfold.... On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>wrote:
For you to leverage an economy of scale, a prerequisite is a high number of customers/units produced. e.g. Toyota can leverage economies of scale, Maserati, not quite... Safaricom currently has the most subscribers, they can afford to have the lowest call tarriff... Zain, not so much... They don't have as many people on their network and have to maintain an equally large network, meaning that their cost per subscriber is actually *higher*... They will leverage said economies of scale if/when they have more subscribers on their network. For now, that's fairly heated air.
@Phares,
I will not comment on your second paragraph, but for the first, please 's/Zain/Bhart Airtel/g' and you'll see that what we are calling Zain here is not and as such Safaricom really needs to think. I am fearing for my shares at the NSE already. Safaricom should take courage and just think this out - they are not dealing with Zain anymore because it is not!
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The truck should not be assumed to belong to Zain until zain confirms it. This is the type of moves that are taken to trick the public sometimes. On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 6:15 PM, John Doe <fivepings@gmail.com> wrote:
Guys, what if Zains price is the lowest economically sustainable price? Safaricom can't go (sustainably) lower than that. And if they match Zain, then they still lose face.
I just wonder why we are all assuming that the guys at Bharti don't know what they are doing. They have been doing this succesfully in India. It is a game of largest volumes at the lowest possible price you can charge. Airtel is looking to boost its volumes.
All in all, my take is Safaricom will loose signinficant market share and Zain/Airtel wil gain significant market share. The winner here is you and I. Boy am I enjoying watching this unfold....
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>wrote:
For you to leverage an economy of scale, a prerequisite is a high number of customers/units produced. e.g. Toyota can leverage economies of scale, Maserati, not quite... Safaricom currently has the most subscribers, they can afford to have the lowest call tarriff... Zain, not so much... They don't have as many people on their network and have to maintain an equally large network, meaning that their cost per subscriber is actually *higher*... They will leverage said economies of scale if/when they have more subscribers on their network. For now, that's fairly heated air.
@Phares,
I will not comment on your second paragraph, but for the first, please 's/Zain/Bhart Airtel/g' and you'll see that what we are calling Zain here is not and as such Safaricom really needs to think. I am fearing for my shares at the NSE already. Safaricom should take courage and just think this out - they are not dealing with Zain anymore because it is not!
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Am wondering if CCK have proper access to the core networks and have a live feed of new subscriptions and total active subscriber no.s from the telcos. Seeing as this is public information (I imagine) they could stream it on their site and show exactly what is happening instead of us relying on the marketing departments of the said companies. On 8/23/10, John Doe <fivepings@gmail.com> wrote:
Guys, what if Zains price is the lowest economically sustainable price? Safaricom can't go (sustainably) lower than that. And if they match Zain, then they still lose face.
I just wonder why we are all assuming that the guys at Bharti don't know what they are doing. They have been doing this succesfully in India. It is a game of largest volumes at the lowest possible price you can charge. Airtel is looking to boost its volumes.
All in all, my take is Safaricom will loose signinficant market share and Zain/Airtel wil gain significant market share. The winner here is you and I. Boy am I enjoying watching this unfold....
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>
wrote:
For you to leverage an economy of scale, a prerequisite is a high number
of customers/units produced. e.g. Toyota can leverage economies of scale, Maserati, not quite... Safaricom currently has the most subscribers, they can afford to have the lowest call tarriff... Zain, not so much... They don't have as many people on their network and have to maintain an equally large network, meaning that their cost per subscriber is actually *higher*... They will leverage said economies of scale if/when they have more subscribers on their network. For now, that's fairly heated air.
@Phares,
I will not comment on your second paragraph, but for the first, please 's/Zain/Bhart Airtel/g' and you'll see that what we are calling Zain here is not and as such Safaricom really needs to think. I am fearing for my shares at the NSE already. Safaricom should take courage and just think this out - they are not dealing with Zain anymore because it is not!
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hmm, so it seems that the subject line of this thread has been proven wrong and that Safaricom *have* stooped down to battle it out in the pricing arena..... :o) as a consumer I am not complaining - I have been paying over 20bob to talk to Zain! Brian On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
Am wondering if CCK have proper access to the core networks and have a live feed of new subscriptions and total active subscriber no.s from the telcos. Seeing as this is public information (I imagine) they could stream it on their site and show exactly what is happening instead of us relying on the marketing departments of the said companies.
Guys, what if Zains price is the lowest economically sustainable price? Safaricom can't go (sustainably) lower than that. And if they match Zain, then they still lose face.
I just wonder why we are all assuming that the guys at Bharti don't know what they are doing. They have been doing this succesfully in India. It is a game of largest volumes at the lowest possible price you can charge. Airtel is looking to boost its volumes.
All in all, my take is Safaricom will loose signinficant market share and Zain/Airtel wil gain significant market share. The winner here is you and I. Boy am I enjoying watching this unfold....
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com
wrote:
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>
wrote:
For you to leverage an economy of scale, a prerequisite is a high
number of customers/units produced. e.g. Toyota can leverage economies of scale, Maserati, not quite... Safaricom currently has the most subscribers, they can afford to have the lowest call tarriff... Zain, not so much... They don't have as many people on their network and have to maintain an equally large network, meaning that their cost per subscriber is actually *higher*... They will leverage said economies of scale if/when they have more subscribers on their network. For now, that's fairly heated air.
@Phares,
I will not comment on your second paragraph, but for the first, please 's/Zain/Bhart Airtel/g' and you'll see that what we are calling Zain here is not and as such Safaricom really needs to think. I am fearing for my shares at the NSE already. Safaricom should take courage and just think this out
On 8/23/10, John Doe <fivepings@gmail.com> wrote: -
they are not dealing with Zain anymore because it is not!
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@brian could you expound? whats the latest? On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 12:20 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com>wrote:
hmm, so it seems that the subject line of this thread has been proven wrong and that Safaricom *have* stooped down to battle it out in the pricing arena.....
:o) as a consumer I am not complaining - I have been paying over 20bob to talk to Zain!
Brian
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
Am wondering if CCK have proper access to the core networks and have a live feed of new subscriptions and total active subscriber no.s from the telcos. Seeing as this is public information (I imagine) they could stream it on their site and show exactly what is happening instead of us relying on the marketing departments of the said companies.
On 8/23/10, John Doe <fivepings@gmail.com> wrote:
Guys, what if Zains price is the lowest economically sustainable price? Safaricom can't go (sustainably) lower than that. And if they match Zain, then they still lose face.
I just wonder why we are all assuming that the guys at Bharti don't know what they are doing. They have been doing this succesfully in India. It is a game of largest volumes at the lowest possible price you can charge. Airtel is looking to boost its volumes.
All in all, my take is Safaricom will loose signinficant market share and Zain/Airtel wil gain significant market share. The winner here is you and I. Boy am I enjoying watching this unfold....
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>
wrote:
For you to leverage an economy of scale, a prerequisite is a high
number of customers/units produced. e.g. Toyota can leverage economies of scale, Maserati, not quite... Safaricom currently has the most subscribers, they can afford to have the lowest call tarriff... Zain, not so much... They don't have as many people on their network and have to maintain an equally large network, meaning that their cost per subscriber is actually *higher*... They will leverage said economies of scale if/when they have more subscribers on their network. For now, that's fairly heated air.
@Phares,
I will not comment on your second paragraph, but for the first, please 's/Zain/Bhart Airtel/g' and you'll see that what we are calling Zain here is not and as such Safaricom really needs to think. I am fearing for my shares at the NSE already. Safaricom should take courage and just think this out - they are not dealing with Zain anymore because it is not!
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Safaricom apparently will be announcing 2 shilling within the network and 3 shillings across networks, although only for 1 month.... Brian On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 12:28 AM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
@brian could you expound? whats the latest?
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 12:20 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com>wrote:
hmm, so it seems that the subject line of this thread has been proven wrong and that Safaricom *have* stooped down to battle it out in the pricing arena.....
:o) as a consumer I am not complaining - I have been paying over 20bob to talk to Zain!
Brian
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
Am wondering if CCK have proper access to the core networks and have a live feed of new subscriptions and total active subscriber no.s from the telcos. Seeing as this is public information (I imagine) they could stream it on their site and show exactly what is happening instead of us relying on the marketing departments of the said companies.
On 8/23/10, John Doe <fivepings@gmail.com> wrote:
Guys, what if Zains price is the lowest economically sustainable price? Safaricom can't go (sustainably) lower than that. And if they match Zain, then they still lose face.
I just wonder why we are all assuming that the guys at Bharti don't know what they are doing. They have been doing this succesfully in India. It is a game of largest volumes at the lowest possible price you can charge. Airtel is looking to boost its volumes.
All in all, my take is Safaricom will loose signinficant market share and Zain/Airtel wil gain significant market share. The winner here is you and I. Boy am I enjoying watching this unfold....
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>
wrote:
For you to leverage an economy of scale, a prerequisite is a high
number of customers/units produced. e.g. Toyota can leverage economies of scale, Maserati, not quite... Safaricom currently has the most subscribers, they can afford to have the lowest call tarriff... Zain, not so much... They don't have as many people on their network and have to maintain an equally large network, meaning that their cost per subscriber is actually *higher*... They will leverage said economies of scale if/when they have more subscribers on their network. For now, that's fairly heated air.
@Phares,
I will not comment on your second paragraph, but for the first, please 's/Zain/Bhart Airtel/g' and you'll see that what we are calling Zain here is not and as such Safaricom really needs to think. I am fearing for my shares at the NSE already. Safaricom should take courage and just think this out - they are not dealing with Zain anymore because it is not!
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one month peke yake? oooh meen, thats not very helpful/ On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 1:08 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com>wrote:
Safaricom apparently will be announcing 2 shilling within the network and 3 shillings across networks, although only for 1 month....
Brian
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 12:28 AM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
@brian could you expound? whats the latest?
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 12:20 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com>wrote:
hmm, so it seems that the subject line of this thread has been proven wrong and that Safaricom *have* stooped down to battle it out in the pricing arena.....
:o) as a consumer I am not complaining - I have been paying over 20bob to talk to Zain!
Brian
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
Am wondering if CCK have proper access to the core networks and have a live feed of new subscriptions and total active subscriber no.s from the telcos. Seeing as this is public information (I imagine) they could stream it on their site and show exactly what is happening instead of us relying on the marketing departments of the said companies.
On 8/23/10, John Doe <fivepings@gmail.com> wrote:
Guys, what if Zains price is the lowest economically sustainable price? Safaricom can't go (sustainably) lower than that. And if they match Zain, then they still lose face.
I just wonder why we are all assuming that the guys at Bharti don't know what they are doing. They have been doing this succesfully in India. It is a game of largest volumes at the lowest possible price you can charge. Airtel is looking to boost its volumes.
All in all, my take is Safaricom will loose signinficant market share and Zain/Airtel wil gain significant market share. The winner here is you and I. Boy am I enjoying watching this unfold....
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com
wrote:
> For you to leverage an economy of scale, a prerequisite is a high
number of customers/units produced. e.g. Toyota can leverage economies of scale, Maserati, not quite... Safaricom currently has the most subscribers, they can afford to have the lowest call tarriff... Zain, not so much... They don't have as many people on their network and have to maintain an equally large network, meaning that their cost per subscriber is actually *higher*... They will leverage said economies of scale if/when they have more subscribers on their network. For now, that's fairly heated air.
> >
@Phares,
I will not comment on your second paragraph, but for the first, please 's/Zain/Bhart Airtel/g' and you'll see that what we are calling Zain here is not and as such Safaricom really needs to think. I am fearing for my shares at the NSE already. Safaricom should take courage and just think this out - they are not dealing with Zain anymore because it is not!
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Check out today's daily safcom bows down to indians (Zain.) On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 1:18 AM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
one month peke yake? oooh meen, thats not very helpful/
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 1:08 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com>wrote:
Safaricom apparently will be announcing 2 shilling within the network and 3 shillings across networks, although only for 1 month....
Brian
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 12:28 AM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
@brian could you expound? whats the latest?
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 12:20 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com
wrote:
hmm, so it seems that the subject line of this thread has been proven wrong and that Safaricom *have* stooped down to battle it out in the pricing arena.....
:o) as a consumer I am not complaining - I have been paying over 20bob to talk to Zain!
Brian
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
Am wondering if CCK have proper access to the core networks and have a live feed of new subscriptions and total active subscriber no.s from the telcos. Seeing as this is public information (I imagine) they could stream it on their site and show exactly what is happening instead of us relying on the marketing departments of the said companies.
On 8/23/10, John Doe <fivepings@gmail.com> wrote:
Guys, what if Zains price is the lowest economically sustainable price? Safaricom can't go (sustainably) lower than that. And if they match Zain, then they still lose face.
I just wonder why we are all assuming that the guys at Bharti don't know what they are doing. They have been doing this succesfully in India. It is a game of largest volumes at the lowest possible price you can charge. Airtel is looking to boost its volumes.
All in all, my take is Safaricom will loose signinficant market share and Zain/Airtel wil gain significant market share. The winner here is you and I. Boy am I enjoying watching this unfold....
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Phares Kariuki < pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote: > > > For you to leverage an economy of scale, a prerequisite is a high number of customers/units produced. e.g. Toyota can leverage economies of scale, Maserati, not quite... Safaricom currently has the most subscribers, they can afford to have the lowest call tarriff... Zain, not so much... They don't have as many people on their network and have to maintain an equally large network, meaning that their cost per subscriber is actually *higher*... They will leverage said economies of scale if/when they have more subscribers on their network. For now, that's fairly heated air. > > > > > > > @Phares, > > I will not comment on your second paragraph, but for the first, please 's/Zain/Bhart Airtel/g' and you'll see that what we are calling Zain here is not and as such Safaricom really needs to think. I am fearing for my shares at the NSE already. Safaricom should take courage and just think this out - they are not dealing with Zain anymore because it is not! > > > > -- > > > > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254733744121/+254722743223 > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." > -- Lucky Dube > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet >
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Wash @ Yous still have safcom shares??? LOL !! On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 7:38 AM, Calvin Omari <calvinebarongo@gmail.com> wrote:
Check out today's daily safcom bows down to indians (Zain.)
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 1:18 AM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
one month peke yake? oooh meen, thats not very helpful/
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 1:08 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:
Safaricom apparently will be announcing 2 shilling within the network and 3 shillings across networks, although only for 1 month....
Brian
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 12:28 AM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
@brian could you expound? whats the latest?
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 12:20 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:
hmm, so it seems that the subject line of this thread has been proven wrong and that Safaricom *have* stooped down to battle it out in the pricing arena.....
:o) as a consumer I am not complaining - I have been paying over 20bob to talk to Zain!
Brian
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
Am wondering if CCK have proper access to the core networks and have a live feed of new subscriptions and total active subscriber no.s from the telcos. Seeing as this is public information (I imagine) they could stream it on their site and show exactly what is happening instead of us relying on the marketing departments of the said companies.
On 8/23/10, John Doe <fivepings@gmail.com> wrote: > Guys, what if Zains price is the lowest economically sustainable > price? > Safaricom can't go (sustainably) lower than that. And if they match > Zain, > then they still lose face. > > I just wonder why we are all assuming that the guys at Bharti don't > know > what they are doing. > They have been doing this succesfully in India. It is a game of > largest > volumes at the lowest possible price you can charge. Airtel is > looking to > boost its volumes. > > All in all, my take is Safaricom will loose signinficant market > share and > Zain/Airtel wil gain significant market share. The winner here is > you and I. > Boy am I enjoying watching this unfold.... > > > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Odhiambo Washington > <odhiambo@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Phares Kariuki > > <pkariuki@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > For you to leverage an economy of scale, a prerequisite is a > > > high number > of customers/units produced. e.g. Toyota can leverage economies of > scale, > Maserati, not quite... Safaricom currently has the most subscribers, > they > can afford to have the lowest call tarriff... Zain, not so much... > They > don't have as many people on their network and have to maintain an > equally > large network, meaning that their cost per subscriber is actually > *higher*... They will leverage said economies of scale if/when they > have > more subscribers on their network. For now, that's fairly heated > air. > > > > > > > > > > > > @Phares, > > > > I will not comment on your second paragraph, but for the first, > > please > 's/Zain/Bhart Airtel/g' and you'll see that what we are calling Zain > here is > not and as such Safaricom really needs to think. I am fearing for my > shares > at the NSE already. Safaricom should take courage and just think > this out - > they are not dealing with Zain anymore because it is not! > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > > Nairobi,KE > > +254733744121/+254722743223 > > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > > "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." > > -- Lucky Dube > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Skunkworks mailing list > > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > > ------------ > > Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet > > > > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... > > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > > ------------ > > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet > > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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Nop But I still have safcom line, What is your own analysis? I think it is the customer who wins Regards On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>wrote:
Wash @
Yous still have safcom shares??? LOL !!
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 7:38 AM, Calvin Omari <calvinebarongo@gmail.com> wrote:
Check out today's daily safcom bows down to indians (Zain.)
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 1:18 AM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
one month peke yake? oooh meen, thats not very helpful/
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 1:08 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com
wrote:
Safaricom apparently will be announcing 2 shilling within the network
and
3 shillings across networks, although only for 1 month....
Brian
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 12:28 AM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com
wrote:
@brian could you expound? whats the latest?
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 12:20 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:
hmm, so it seems that the subject line of this thread has been proven wrong and that Safaricom *have* stooped down to battle it out in the
pricing
arena.....
:o) as a consumer I am not complaining - I have been paying over 20bob to talk to Zain!
Brian
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote: > > Am wondering if CCK have proper access to the core networks and have a > live feed of new subscriptions and total active subscriber no.s from > the telcos. Seeing as this is public information (I imagine) they > could stream it on their site and show exactly what is happening > instead of us relying on the marketing departments of the said > companies. > > On 8/23/10, John Doe <fivepings@gmail.com> wrote: > > Guys, what if Zains price is the lowest economically sustainable > > price? > > Safaricom can't go (sustainably) lower than that. And if they match > > Zain, > > then they still lose face. > > > > I just wonder why we are all assuming that the guys at Bharti don't > > know > > what they are doing. > > They have been doing this succesfully in India. It is a game of > > largest > > volumes at the lowest possible price you can charge. Airtel is > > looking to > > boost its volumes. > > > > All in all, my take is Safaricom will loose signinficant market > > share and > > Zain/Airtel wil gain significant market share. The winner here is > > you and I. > > Boy am I enjoying watching this unfold.... > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Odhiambo Washington > > <odhiambo@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Phares Kariuki > > > <pkariuki@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > For you to leverage an economy of scale, a prerequisite is a > > > > high number > > of customers/units produced. e.g. Toyota can leverage economies of > > scale, > > Maserati, not quite... Safaricom currently has the most subscribers, > > they > > can afford to have the lowest call tarriff... Zain, not so much... > > They > > don't have as many people on their network and have to maintain an > > equally > > large network, meaning that their cost per subscriber is actually > > *higher*... They will leverage said economies of scale if/when they > > have > > more subscribers on their network. For now, that's fairly heated > > air. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @Phares, > > > > > > I will not comment on your second paragraph, but for the first, > > > please > > 's/Zain/Bhart Airtel/g' and you'll see that what we are calling Zain > > here is > > not and as such Safaricom really needs to think. I am fearing for my > > shares > > at the NSE already. Safaricom should take courage and just think > > this out - > > they are not dealing with Zain anymore because it is not! > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > > > Nairobi,KE > > > +254733744121/+254722743223 > > > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > > > "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." > > > -- Lucky Dube > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Skunkworks mailing list > > > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > > > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > > > ------------ > > > Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet > > > > > > > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... > > > ------------ > > > Skunkworks Rules > > > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > > > ------------ > > > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Skunkworks mailing list > > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > > ------------ > > Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet > > > > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... > > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > > ------------ > > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > > > -- > Regards, > > Mark Mwangi > > http://mwangy.posterous.com > > Skype : mark.mwangy > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet > > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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On 24 August 2010 07:57, Calvin Omari <calvinebarongo@gmail.com> wrote:
Nop But I still have safcom line, What is your own analysis? I think it is the customer who wins Regards
It's the consumer who wins....
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>wrote:
Wash @
Yous still have safcom shares??? LOL !!
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 7:38 AM, Calvin Omari <calvinebarongo@gmail.com> wrote:
Check out today's daily safcom bows down to indians (Zain.)
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 1:18 AM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
one month peke yake? oooh meen, thats not very helpful/
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 1:08 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <
blongwe@gmail.com>
wrote:
Safaricom apparently will be announcing 2 shilling within the network
and
3 shillings across networks, although only for 1 month....
Brian
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 12:28 AM, [ Brainiac ] < arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
@brian could you expound? whats the latest?
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 12:20 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote: > > hmm, so it seems that the subject line of this thread has been
proven
> wrong and that Safaricom *have* stooped down to battle it out in the pricing > arena..... > > :o) as a consumer I am not complaining - I have been paying over 20bob > to talk to Zain! > > Brian > > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Am wondering if CCK have proper access to the core networks and have a >> live feed of new subscriptions and total active subscriber no.s from >> the telcos. Seeing as this is public information (I imagine) they >> could stream it on their site and show exactly what is happening >> instead of us relying on the marketing departments of the said >> companies. >> >> On 8/23/10, John Doe <fivepings@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Guys, what if Zains price is the lowest economically sustainable >> > price? >> > Safaricom can't go (sustainably) lower than that. And if they match >> > Zain, >> > then they still lose face. >> > >> > I just wonder why we are all assuming that the guys at Bharti don't >> > know >> > what they are doing. >> > They have been doing this succesfully in India. It is a game of >> > largest >> > volumes at the lowest possible price you can charge. Airtel is >> > looking to >> > boost its volumes. >> > >> > All in all, my take is Safaricom will loose signinficant market >> > share and >> > Zain/Airtel wil gain significant market share. The winner here is >> > you and I. >> > Boy am I enjoying watching this unfold.... >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Odhiambo Washington >> > <odhiambo@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Phares Kariuki >> > > <pkariuki@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> > > >> > > > For you to leverage an economy of scale, a prerequisite is a >> > > > high number >> > of customers/units produced. e.g. Toyota can leverage economies of >> > scale, >> > Maserati, not quite... Safaricom currently has the most subscribers, >> > they >> > can afford to have the lowest call tarriff... Zain, not so much... >> > They >> > don't have as many people on their network and have to maintain an >> > equally >> > large network, meaning that their cost per subscriber is actually >> > *higher*... They will leverage said economies of scale if/when they >> > have >> > more subscribers on their network. For now, that's fairly heated >> > air. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > @Phares, >> > > >> > > I will not comment on your second paragraph, but for the first, >> > > please >> > 's/Zain/Bhart Airtel/g' and you'll see that what we are calling Zain >> > here is >> > not and as such Safaricom really needs to think. I am fearing for my >> > shares >> > at the NSE already. Safaricom should take courage and just think >> > this out - >> > they are not dealing with Zain anymore because it is not! >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Best regards, >> > > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >> > > Nairobi,KE >> > > +254733744121/+254722743223 >> > > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ >> > > "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." >> > > -- Lucky Dube >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Skunkworks mailing list >> > > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> > > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> > > ------------ >> > > Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet >> > > >> > >> > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... >> > > ------------ >> > > Skunkworks Rules >> > > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> > > ------------ >> > > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Skunkworks mailing list >> > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> > ------------ >> > Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet >> > >> > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... >> > ------------ >> > Skunkworks Rules >> > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> > ------------ >> > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > >> >> >> -- >> Regards, >> >> Mark Mwangi >> >> http://mwangy.posterous.com >> >> Skype : mark.mwangy >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet >> >> http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > > -- > Brian Munyao Longwe > e-mail: blongwe@gmail.com > cell: + 254 722 518 744 > blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com > meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet > > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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After Masaa ya Kubamba I think safcom have been gotten flat footed. On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:
On 24 August 2010 07:57, Calvin Omari <calvinebarongo@gmail.com> wrote:
Nop But I still have safcom line, What is your own analysis? I think it is the customer who wins Regards
It's the consumer who wins....
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>wrote:
Wash @
Yous still have safcom shares??? LOL !!
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 7:38 AM, Calvin Omari <calvinebarongo@gmail.com> wrote:
Check out today's daily safcom bows down to indians (Zain.)
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 1:18 AM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
one month peke yake? oooh meen, thats not very helpful/
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 1:08 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <
blongwe@gmail.com>
wrote:
Safaricom apparently will be announcing 2 shilling within the network
and
3 shillings across networks, although only for 1 month....
Brian
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 12:28 AM, [ Brainiac ] < arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote: > > @brian could you expound? whats the latest? > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 12:20 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe > <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> hmm, so it seems that the subject line of this thread has been proven >> wrong and that Safaricom *have* stooped down to battle it out in the pricing >> arena..... >> >> :o) as a consumer I am not complaining - I have been paying over 20bob >> to talk to Zain! >> >> Brian >> >> On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Am wondering if CCK have proper access to the core networks and have a >>> live feed of new subscriptions and total active subscriber no.s from >>> the telcos. Seeing as this is public information (I imagine) they >>> could stream it on their site and show exactly what is happening >>> instead of us relying on the marketing departments of the said >>> companies. >>> >>> On 8/23/10, John Doe <fivepings@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > Guys, what if Zains price is the lowest economically sustainable >>> > price? >>> > Safaricom can't go (sustainably) lower than that. And if they match >>> > Zain, >>> > then they still lose face. >>> > >>> > I just wonder why we are all assuming that the guys at Bharti don't >>> > know >>> > what they are doing. >>> > They have been doing this succesfully in India. It is a game of >>> > largest >>> > volumes at the lowest possible price you can charge. Airtel is >>> > looking to >>> > boost its volumes. >>> > >>> > All in all, my take is Safaricom will loose signinficant market >>> > share and >>> > Zain/Airtel wil gain significant market share. The winner here is >>> > you and I. >>> > Boy am I enjoying watching this unfold.... >>> > >>> > >>> > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Odhiambo Washington >>> > <odhiambo@gmail.com> >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Phares Kariuki >>> > > <pkariuki@gmail.com> >>> > wrote: >>> > > >>> > > > For you to leverage an economy of scale, a prerequisite is a >>> > > > high number >>> > of customers/units produced. e.g. Toyota can leverage economies of >>> > scale, >>> > Maserati, not quite... Safaricom currently has the most subscribers, >>> > they >>> > can afford to have the lowest call tarriff... Zain, not so much... >>> > They >>> > don't have as many people on their network and have to maintain an >>> > equally >>> > large network, meaning that their cost per subscriber is actually >>> > *higher*... They will leverage said economies of scale if/when they >>> > have >>> > more subscribers on their network. For now, that's fairly heated >>> > air. >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > @Phares, >>> > > >>> > > I will not comment on your second paragraph, but for the first, >>> > > please >>> > 's/Zain/Bhart Airtel/g' and you'll see that what we are calling Zain >>> > here is >>> > not and as such Safaricom really needs to think. I am fearing for my >>> > shares >>> > at the NSE already. Safaricom should take courage and just think >>> > this out - >>> > they are not dealing with Zain anymore because it is not! >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > -- >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Best regards, >>> > > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >>> > > Nairobi,KE >>> > > +254733744121/+254722743223 >>> > > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ >>> > > "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." >>> > > -- Lucky Dube >>> > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > Skunkworks mailing list >>> > > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> > > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> > > ------------ >>> > > Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet >>> > > >>> > >>> > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... >>> > > ------------ >>> > > Skunkworks Rules >>> > > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> > > ------------ >>> > > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Skunkworks mailing list >>> > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> > ------------ >>> > Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet >>> > >>> > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... >>> > ------------ >>> > Skunkworks Rules >>> > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> > ------------ >>> > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Regards, >>> >>> Mark Mwangi >>> >>> http://mwangy.posterous.com >>> >>> Skype : mark.mwangy >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Skunkworks mailing list >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet >>> >>> http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... >>> ------------ >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> >> >> >> -- >> Brian Munyao Longwe >> e-mail: blongwe@gmail.com >> cell: + 254 722 518 744 >> blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com >> meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet >> >> http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > > -- > Posted on 100% recycled electrons > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet > > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>wrote:
Wash @
Yous still have safcom shares??? LOL !!
A big bunch of those, imagine, and I am sticking to them come-what-may! -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
Wash, Just hold onto them now... made a killing afew weeks back !! On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
Wash @
Yous still have safcom shares??? LOL !!
A big bunch of those, imagine, and I am sticking to them come-what-may!
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The market will never be the same again. Airtel's 100millin plus subscribers gives the a leverage on economies of scale to sustain this so called 'pricing wars' Vodaphone has 470 million subscribers... And more revenues... If you think about, Zain will have to recoup their costs somehow, what happens, five years from now, when competition has been stamped...? You guessed it, time to recoup :) Vodaphone actually has around 300% as much revenue and income as Bharti... When it comes to muscle, Bharti does not have the upper hand. If the game was strategy, I'd agree. If you think about it, the 1-2 million plus customers who moved to Zain are not good for Zain either, as loyalty is not guaranteed. When Safaricom lowers rates, same customers will move back, or if Orange gets cheaper, they move to Orange. You basically cannot think long term with the new aquisition. Hasn't it struck you as odd that no company has lost as much market share & revenue after each tarrif battle than Zain/Airtel has? Market share dropped after Vuka... Orange, Essar are thinking long term. Getting loyal, sustainable customers with whom you can plan. Bharti will bank on 3 million shifty customers as opposed to Essar/Orange who are banking on 500,000 loyal customers... The best type of business is repeat, eod... -- With Regards, Phares Kariuki | T: +254 734 810 802 | E: pkariuki@gmail.com | Twitter: kaboro | Skype: kariukiphares |
What is the stock share of vodacom in safaricom? And isnt safaricom constrained by the fact that its a public company in Kenya thus may not benefit from funding from vodacom? On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
The market will never be the same again. Airtel's 100millin plus subscribers gives the a leverage on economies of scale to sustain this so called 'pricing wars'
Vodaphone has 470 million subscribers... And more revenues... If you think about, Zain will have to recoup their costs somehow, what happens, five years from now, when competition has been stamped...? You guessed it, time to recoup :) Vodaphone actually has around 300% as much revenue and income as Bharti... When it comes to muscle, Bharti does not have the upper hand. If the game was strategy, I'd agree.
If you think about it, the 1-2 million plus customers who moved to Zain are not good for Zain either, as loyalty is not guaranteed. When Safaricom lowers rates, same customers will move back, or if Orange gets cheaper, they move to Orange. You basically cannot think long term with the new aquisition. Hasn't it struck you as odd that no company has lost as much market share & revenue after each tarrif battle than Zain/Airtel has? Market share dropped after Vuka... Orange, Essar are thinking long term. Getting loyal, sustainable customers with whom you can plan. Bharti will bank on 3 million shifty customers as opposed to Essar/Orange who are banking on 500,000 loyal customers... The best type of business is repeat, eod... -- With Regards,
Phares Kariuki
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Safaricom new tariff. http://www.safaricom.co.ke/index.php?id=1523&no_cache=1&sword_list[]=masaa On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
The market will never be the same again. Airtel's 100millin plus subscribers gives the a leverage on economies of scale to sustain this so called 'pricing wars'
Vodaphone has 470 million subscribers... And more revenues... If you think about, Zain will have to recoup their costs somehow, what happens, five years from now, when competition has been stamped...? You guessed it, time to recoup :) Vodaphone actually has around 300% as much revenue and income as Bharti... When it comes to muscle, Bharti does not have the upper hand. If the game was strategy, I'd agree.
If you think about it, the 1-2 million plus customers who moved to Zain are not good for Zain either, as loyalty is not guaranteed. When Safaricom lowers rates, same customers will move back, or if Orange gets cheaper, they move to Orange. You basically cannot think long term with the new aquisition. Hasn't it struck you as odd that no company has lost as much market share & revenue after each tarrif battle than Zain/Airtel has? Market share dropped after Vuka... Orange, Essar are thinking long term. Getting loyal, sustainable customers with whom you can plan. Bharti will bank on 3 million shifty customers as opposed to Essar/Orange who are banking on 500,000 loyal customers... The best type of business is repeat, eod... -- With Regards,
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On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote:
Safaricom new tariff.
http://www.safaricom.co.ke/index.php?id=1523&no_cache=1&sword_list[]=masaa
So now, guys, I am keeping the Safaricom line to receive calls for now, and "emergency" data access until Zain launches 3G since Safaricom did not consider me, a PostPay customer, in their "testing the waters scheme":-( -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
Vodafone has a 40% stake in Safaricom, a 67% stake in Vodafone Essar(India) and a 10% stake in Bharti Airtel. http://cio.co.ke/view-all-main-stories/1642-no-let-up-in-mobile-price-wars.h...
I'll add a few words. Safaricom and other telcos who have not dropped prices permanently are playing the bluff with kenyans that dropping rates will knock them out of business. This is excatly the kind of bluff that seems to be working on some kenyans i.e dis-belief that rates can actually drop. The Safaricom/Orange bluff that is not going to work because the bottomline for kenyan consumers is : affordable services, finally! In reality those who understand how telcos work know that Zain has done the right thing and is on the right track. Safaricom is calling a bluff on its 30 days offer. The bluff is clear = Do you believe rates can drop? If not, stay with us..... They should expect the negative trends to follow and start thinking of creating a leaner and more competitive company. A new era of affordable rates is here. Believe it or not. :-) Me thots, catchup later in the week.
this war reminds of bank rate wars when MEMBA hit the market, other banks spread all sort of propagada but memba did what other banks neglected, today they are market leaders every where they go all other banks follow. and so is Zain,they av nothin to loose bcoz the more we muvuka,Then in the end the game will change it will be zain calling the shorts,they will not need safcon network anymore coz will be all in one side. For safarincon "oishe usi vuke" behave until then Nimevuka On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:37 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
I'll add a few words.
Safaricom and other telcos who have not dropped prices permanently are playing the bluff with kenyans that dropping rates will knock them out of business. This is excatly the kind of bluff that seems to be working on some kenyans i.e dis-belief that rates can actually drop. The Safaricom/Orange bluff that is not going to work because the bottomline for kenyan consumers is : affordable services, finally!
In reality those who understand how telcos work know that Zain has done the right thing and is on the right track.
Safaricom is calling a bluff on its 30 days offer. The bluff is clear = Do you believe rates can drop? If not, stay with us.....
They should expect the negative trends to follow and start thinking of creating a leaner and more competitive company.
A new era of affordable rates is here. Believe it or not. :-)
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Am just writting to see the thread reach hundred posts. On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:49 AM, maina martin <martinafrique@gmail.com>wrote:
this war reminds of bank rate wars when MEMBA hit the market, other banks spread all sort of propagada but memba did what other banks neglected, today they are market leaders every where they go all other banks follow.
and so is Zain,they av nothin to loose bcoz the more we muvuka,Then in the end the game will change it will be zain calling the shorts,they will not need safcon network anymore coz will be all in one side.
For safarincon "oishe usi vuke" behave until then Nimevuka
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:37 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
I'll add a few words.
Safaricom and other telcos who have not dropped prices permanently are playing the bluff with kenyans that dropping rates will knock them out of business. This is excatly the kind of bluff that seems to be working on some kenyans i.e dis-belief that rates can actually drop. The Safaricom/Orange bluff that is not going to work because the bottomline for kenyan consumers is : affordable services, finally!
In reality those who understand how telcos work know that Zain has done the right thing and is on the right track.
Safaricom is calling a bluff on its 30 days offer. The bluff is clear = Do you believe rates can drop? If not, stay with us.....
They should expect the negative trends to follow and start thinking of creating a leaner and more competitive company.
A new era of affordable rates is here. Believe it or not. :-)
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Why not just wait like am doing and have all their lines active like I do for a year now and you enjoy. If either of them goes down its means no competition and tutaumia.
In economic sense, the leverage of economic of scales can work out well if the strategy is innovative and sustainable. What matters here, though IMHO, is satisfying the common person, a market that has not been fully captured. Safcom can have whatever million subscribers but maintaining them is another thing. I don't see what would have been the case had Safaricom been the one to first lower the prices? That would have been labelled 'innovative' Safcom has been used to making profits and when the status quo changes, it might have to go back to the drawing table and restrategize. This time, it has realized that even though Kenyans have very 'peculiar' calling habits, they are insatiably unpredictable. Have you noticed how Orange has been silent in this war? May be Safaricom is loved so much or even despised, but as long as the consumer has been satisifed, who cares? My point: it doesn't matter which company wins, but an equal level playing ground. On 24/08/2010, Dave Kirirah <dave.kirirah@gmail.com> wrote:
Am just writting to see the thread reach hundred posts.
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:49 AM, maina martin <martinafrique@gmail.com>wrote:
this war reminds of bank rate wars when MEMBA hit the market, other banks spread all sort of propagada but memba did what other banks neglected, today they are market leaders every where they go all other banks follow.
and so is Zain,they av nothin to loose bcoz the more we muvuka,Then in the end the game will change it will be zain calling the shorts,they will not need safcon network anymore coz will be all in one side.
For safarincon "oishe usi vuke" behave until then Nimevuka
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:37 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
I'll add a few words.
Safaricom and other telcos who have not dropped prices permanently are playing the bluff with kenyans that dropping rates will knock them out of business. This is excatly the kind of bluff that seems to be working on some kenyans i.e dis-belief that rates can actually drop. The Safaricom/Orange bluff that is not going to work because the bottomline for kenyan consumers is : affordable services, finally!
In reality those who understand how telcos work know that Zain has done the right thing and is on the right track.
Safaricom is calling a bluff on its 30 days offer. The bluff is clear = Do you believe rates can drop? If not, stay with us.....
They should expect the negative trends to follow and start thinking of creating a leaner and more competitive company.
A new era of affordable rates is here. Believe it or not. :-)
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@Joram, see page 10 in Nation's smart company to get the "business terms" on Bharti's 100 million subscribers, strategy and the 'dirt' cheap prices. *"Unless Bharti are in for CSR or to learn from Safcoms Mpesa then go back and implement it in the 100m....this story wont end well....especially if some unforeseen global force puts pressure on Bhartis costs. Remember a company called GTV?*" Remember AIG? what makes you think Safaricom is cushioned from whatever happened to GTV? KT, M: +254 722 28 98 04 www.mondeas.com “When you are busy making excuses, you are not making money, making friends, or making the world a better place. Every loser out there has an excuse as to why they’re not a winner – but at the end of the day, they’re still a loser with an excuse.” -Tana Goertz On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:37 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
ing to work because the bottomline for kenyan consumers is : affordable services, finally!
In reality those who understand how telcos work know that Zain has done the right thing and is on the right track.
@phares, thanks your statistics put the debate squarely in perspective Subscribers Vodaphone 470 m Bharti 100 M Vodaphone is 2nd largest mobile operator after china mobile in terms of subscribers. Bharti 7th in terms of subscribers. In terms of what the companies are worth, bharti doesnt appear anywhere near the top 10.... On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:37 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
I'll add a few words.
Safaricom and other telcos who have not dropped prices permanently are playing the bluff with kenyans that dropping rates will knock them out of business. This is excatly the kind of bluff that seems to be working on some kenyans i.e dis-belief that rates can actually drop. The Safaricom/Orange bluff that is not going to work because the bottomline for kenyan consumers is : affordable services, finally!
In reality those who understand how telcos work know that Zain has done the right thing and is on the right track.
Safaricom is calling a bluff on its 30 days offer. The bluff is clear = Do you believe rates can drop? If not, stay with us.....
They should expect the negative trends to follow and start thinking of creating a leaner and more competitive company.
A new era of affordable rates is here. Believe it or not. :-)
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NKT !! On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:
@phares, thanks your statistics put the debate squarely in perspective Subscribers Vodaphone 470 m Bharti 100 M Vodaphone is 2nd largest mobile operator after china mobile in terms of subscribers. Bharti 7th in terms of subscribers. In terms of what the companies are worth, bharti doesnt appear anywhere near the top 10....
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:37 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
I'll add a few words.
Safaricom and other telcos who have not dropped prices permanently are playing the bluff with kenyans that dropping rates will knock them out of business. This is excatly the kind of bluff that seems to be working on some kenyans i.e dis-belief that rates can actually drop. The Safaricom/Orange bluff that is not going to work because the bottomline for kenyan consumers is : affordable services, finally!
In reality those who understand how telcos work know that Zain has done the right thing and is on the right track.
Safaricom is calling a bluff on its 30 days offer. The bluff is clear = Do you believe rates can drop? If not, stay with us.....
They should expect the negative trends to follow and start thinking of creating a leaner and more competitive company.
A new era of affordable rates is here. Believe it or not. :-)
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what you guys are missing is that vodacom doesnt own 100% safaricom so they really cant pump in money just like that. As for zain On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
@phares, thanks your statistics put the debate squarely in perspective
Subscribers Vodaphone 470 m Bharti 100 M
Vodaphone is 2nd largest mobile operator after china mobile in terms of subscribers. Bharti 7th in terms of subscribers. In terms of what the companies are worth, bharti doesnt appear anywhere near the top 10....
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:37 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
I'll add a few words.
Safaricom and other telcos who have not dropped prices permanently are playing the bluff with kenyans that dropping rates will knock them out of business. This is excatly the kind of bluff that seems to be working on some kenyans i.e dis-belief that rates can actually drop. The Safaricom/Orange bluff that is not going to work because the bottomline for kenyan consumers is : affordable services, finally!
In reality those who understand how telcos work know that Zain has done the right thing and is on the right track.
Safaricom is calling a bluff on its 30 days offer. The bluff is clear = Do you believe rates can drop? If not, stay with us.....
They should expect the negative trends to follow and start thinking of creating a leaner and more competitive company.
A new era of affordable rates is here. Believe it or not. :-)
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As we are liberated from our fear,our presence automatically liberates others.
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its vodafone, vodacom is a tanzanian telco owned by vodafone too
True, they don't, but vodafone are in it for the money, if it comes down to the wire, either pump money or lose the investment, they will pump in more money... On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
its vodafone, vodacom is a tanzanian telco owned by vodafone too _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
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Concur with Odada 100% .. contrastingly Bharti owns Zain...sounds awkward...100% From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Jacob Odada Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 11:29 AM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Safaricom wont stoop down to unsustainable pricing, MJ and his have their heads screwed on right - http://bit.ly/db6MYx what you guys are missing is that vodacom doesnt own 100% safaricom so they really cant pump in money just like that. As for zain On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com<mailto:joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>> wrote: @phares, thanks your statistics put the debate squarely in perspective Subscribers Vodaphone 470 m Bharti 100 M Vodaphone is 2nd largest mobile operator after china mobile in terms of subscribers. Bharti 7th in terms of subscribers. In terms of what the companies are worth, bharti doesnt appear anywhere near the top 10.... On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:37 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com<mailto:aki275@googlemail.com>> wrote: I'll add a few words. Safaricom and other telcos who have not dropped prices permanently are playing the bluff with kenyans that dropping rates will knock them out of business. This is excatly the kind of bluff that seems to be working on some kenyans i.e dis-belief that rates can actually drop. The Safaricom/Orange bluff that is not going to work because the bottomline for kenyan consumers is : affordable services, finally! In reality those who understand how telcos work know that Zain has done the right thing and is on the right track. Safaricom is calling a bluff on its 30 days offer. The bluff is clear = Do you believe rates can drop? If not, stay with us..... They should expect the negative trends to follow and start thinking of creating a leaner and more competitive company. A new era of affordable rates is here. Believe it or not. :-) Me thots, catchup later in the week. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke<mailto:Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke -- Sent from my Voice Recognition Watch(c) -------------------------------------------------------------------- God is not an excuse for lack of discipline -------------------------------------------------------------------- Our greatest fear is not that we are inadequate,but that we are powerful beyond measure.It is our light, not our darkness, that frightens us.There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you.As we let our own light shine, we consciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our fear,our presence automatically liberates others. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke<mailto:Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke ________________________________ Strathmore University provides all-round education in an atmosphere of freedom and responsibility. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for use by the recipient(s) to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential information. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and permanently delete this email and/or any files attached to it from your computer. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Strathmore University. The University accepts no liability whatsoever for any loss or damages incurred, or suffered, resulting, or arising, from the use of this email and/or its attachments. The University warrants neither the integrity of the e-mail nor its freedom from errors, viruses, interception or any other form of interference. ............................................................................ Website: www.strathmore.edu
@Phares - SufferingCon is a listed company - any of the shareholders cannot just pump money like that - please get the facts right. ./Ok3ch On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Pius Walela <PWalela@strathmore.edu> wrote:
Concur with Odada 100% .. contrastingly Bharti owns Zain…sounds awkward…100%
From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Jacob Odada Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 11:29 AM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Safaricom wont stoop down to unsustainable pricing, MJ and his have their heads screwed on right - http://bit.ly/db6MYx
what you guys are missing is that vodacom doesnt own 100% safaricom so they really cant pump in money just like that. As for zain
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:
@phares, thanks your statistics put the debate squarely in perspective
Subscribers Vodaphone 470 m Bharti 100 M
Vodaphone is 2nd largest mobile operator after china mobile in terms of subscribers. Bharti 7th in terms of subscribers. In terms of what the companies are worth, bharti doesnt appear anywhere near the top 10....
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:37 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
I'll add a few words.
Safaricom and other telcos who have not dropped prices permanently are playing the bluff with kenyans that dropping rates will knock them out of business. This is excatly the kind of bluff that seems to be working on some kenyans i.e dis-belief that rates can actually drop. The Safaricom/Orange bluff that is not going to work because the bottomline for kenyan consumers is : affordable services, finally!
In reality those who understand how telcos work know that Zain has done the right thing and is on the right track.
Safaricom is calling a bluff on its 30 days offer. The bluff is clear = Do you believe rates can drop? If not, stay with us.....
They should expect the negative trends to follow and start thinking of creating a leaner and more competitive company.
A new era of affordable rates is here. Believe it or not. :-)
Me thots, catchup later in the week.
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Rights issue.... 9 month process... On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Phares - SufferingCon is a listed company - any of the shareholders cannot just pump money like that - please get the facts right.
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Pius Walela <PWalela@strathmore.edu> wrote:
Concur with Odada 100% .. contrastingly Bharti owns Zain…sounds awkward…100%
From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Jacob Odada Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 11:29 AM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Safaricom wont stoop down to unsustainable pricing, MJ and his have their heads screwed on right - http://bit.ly/db6MYx
what you guys are missing is that vodacom doesnt own 100% safaricom so they really cant pump in money just like that. As for zain
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com
wrote:
@phares, thanks your statistics put the debate squarely in perspective
Subscribers Vodaphone 470 m Bharti 100 M
Vodaphone is 2nd largest mobile operator after china mobile in terms of subscribers. Bharti 7th in terms of subscribers. In terms of what the companies are worth, bharti doesnt appear anywhere near the top 10....
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:37 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
I'll add a few words.
Safaricom and other telcos who have not dropped prices permanently are playing the bluff with kenyans that dropping rates will knock them out of business. This is excatly the kind of bluff that seems to be working on some kenyans i.e dis-belief that rates can actually drop. The Safaricom/Orange bluff that is not going to work because the bottomline for kenyan consumers is : affordable services, finally!
In reality those who understand how telcos work know that Zain has done the right thing and is on the right track.
Safaricom is calling a bluff on its 30 days offer. The bluff is clear = Do you believe rates can drop? If not, stay with us.....
They should expect the negative trends to follow and start thinking of creating a leaner and more competitive company.
A new era of affordable rates is here. Believe it or not. :-)
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Guys am in DRC now and Bhati is ruffling feathers here too I think we have been looking local but they want market leadership Regionally and I think having Kenya as their base they would want that market to be profitable .... On 24 August 2010 11:10, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:
@phares, thanks your statistics put the debate squarely in perspective
Subscribers Vodaphone 470 m Bharti 100 M
Vodaphone is 2nd largest mobile operator after china mobile in terms of subscribers. Bharti 7th in terms of subscribers. In terms of what the companies are worth, bharti doesnt appear anywhere near the top 10....
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:37 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
I'll add a few words.
Safaricom and other telcos who have not dropped prices permanently are playing the bluff with kenyans that dropping rates will knock them out of business. This is excatly the kind of bluff that seems to be working on some kenyans i.e dis-belief that rates can actually drop. The Safaricom/Orange bluff that is not going to work because the bottomline for kenyan consumers is : affordable services, finally!
In reality those who understand how telcos work know that Zain has done the right thing and is on the right track.
Safaricom is calling a bluff on its 30 days offer. The bluff is clear = Do you believe rates can drop? If not, stay with us.....
They should expect the negative trends to follow and start thinking of creating a leaner and more competitive company.
A new era of affordable rates is here. Believe it or not. :-)
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According to the Smart company article. Bharti Killed the voice market in India. Their strategy dragged everyone down. They made losses in that market and have all telecoms there very annoyed. If thats what they are out to do here....im not sure that is very innovative..... On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Watson Kambo <wkwats@gmail.com> wrote:
Guys am in DRC now and Bhati is ruffling feathers here too I think we have been looking local but they want market leadership Regionally and I think having Kenya as their base they would want that market to be profitable ....
On 24 August 2010 11:10, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:
@phares, thanks your statistics put the debate squarely in perspective
Subscribers Vodaphone 470 m Bharti 100 M
Vodaphone is 2nd largest mobile operator after china mobile in terms of subscribers. Bharti 7th in terms of subscribers. In terms of what the companies are worth, bharti doesnt appear anywhere near the top 10....
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:37 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
I'll add a few words.
Safaricom and other telcos who have not dropped prices permanently are playing the bluff with kenyans that dropping rates will knock them out of business. This is excatly the kind of bluff that seems to be working on some kenyans i.e dis-belief that rates can actually drop. The Safaricom/Orange bluff that is not going to work because the bottomline for kenyan consumers is : affordable services, finally!
In reality those who understand how telcos work know that Zain has done the right thing and is on the right track.
Safaricom is calling a bluff on its 30 days offer. The bluff is clear = Do you believe rates can drop? If not, stay with us.....
They should expect the negative trends to follow and start thinking of creating a leaner and more competitive company.
A new era of affordable rates is here. Believe it or not. :-)
Me thots, catchup later in the week. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
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As we are liberated from our fear,our presence automatically liberates others.
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i have read the same article and it talks of profit drops, not losses. So Safaricom may see themselves making a fraction of the profit they used to make before....
@joram as someone pointed out bharti may be looking regional, not local. My perspectives on the huge subscruber base has to do with cash flows. They have cash flows from their "other business" enough to sustain a bombardment of the local scene untill they become profitable (when they hit the economies of scale or when they have become dominant enough to dictate prices. Cheers. On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:10 AM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
@phares, thanks your statistics put the debate squarely in perspective
Subscribers Vodaphone 470 m Bharti 100 M
Vodaphone is 2nd largest mobile operator after china mobile in terms of subscribers. Bharti 7th in terms of subscribers. In terms of what the companies are worth, bharti doesnt appear anywhere near the top 10....
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:37 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
I'll add a few words.
Safaricom and other telcos who have not dropped prices permanently are playing the bluff with kenyans that dropping rates will knock them out of business. This is excatly the kind of bluff that seems to be working on some kenyans i.e dis-belief that rates can actually drop. The Safaricom/Orange bluff that is not going to work because the bottomline for kenyan consumers is : affordable services, finally!
In reality those who understand how telcos work know that Zain has done the right thing and is on the right track.
Safaricom is calling a bluff on its 30 days offer. The bluff is clear = Do you believe rates can drop? If not, stay with us.....
They should expect the negative trends to follow and start thinking of creating a leaner and more competitive company.
A new era of affordable rates is here. Believe it or not. :-)
Me thots, catchup later in the week. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
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As we are liberated from our fear,our presence automatically liberates others.
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Its year of change, If Microsoft can be tipped off by Apple in terms of market capitalization, why not Suffericon be side stepped by a company like Bharti? On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
@phares, thanks your statistics put the debate squarely in perspective
Subscribers Vodaphone 470 m Bharti 100 M
Vodaphone is 2nd largest mobile operator after china mobile in terms of subscribers. Bharti 7th in terms of subscribers. In terms of what the companies are worth, bharti doesnt appear anywhere near the top 10....
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:37 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
I'll add a few words.
Safaricom and other telcos who have not dropped prices permanently are playing the bluff with kenyans that dropping rates will knock them out of business. This is excatly the kind of bluff that seems to be working on some kenyans i.e dis-belief that rates can actually drop. The Safaricom/Orange bluff that is not going to work because the bottomline for kenyan consumers is : affordable services, finally!
In reality those who understand how telcos work know that Zain has done the right thing and is on the right track.
Safaricom is calling a bluff on its 30 days offer. The bluff is clear = Do you believe rates can drop? If not, stay with us.....
They should expect the negative trends to follow and start thinking of creating a leaner and more competitive company.
A new era of affordable rates is here. Believe it or not. :-)
Me thots, catchup later in the week. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
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-- Sent from my Voice Recognition Watch© -------------------------------------------------------------------- God is not an excuse for lack of discipline -------------------------------------------------------------------- Our greatest fear is not that we are inadequate,but that we are powerful beyond measure.It is our light, not our darkness, that frightens us.There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you.As we let our own light shine, we consciously give other people permission to do the same.
As we are liberated from our fear,our presence automatically liberates others.
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Does vodaphone own 100% of Safaricom like Bharti does Zain ? This topic will never end... On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Ouya Obunga <write2ogush@gmail.com> wrote:
Its year of change,
If Microsoft can be tipped off by Apple in terms of market capitalization, why not Suffericon be side stepped by a company like Bharti?
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:
@phares, thanks your statistics put the debate squarely in perspective Subscribers Vodaphone 470 m Bharti 100 M Vodaphone is 2nd largest mobile operator after china mobile in terms of subscribers. Bharti 7th in terms of subscribers. In terms of what the companies are worth, bharti doesnt appear anywhere near the top 10....
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:37 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
I'll add a few words.
Safaricom and other telcos who have not dropped prices permanently are playing the bluff with kenyans that dropping rates will knock them out of business. This is excatly the kind of bluff that seems to be working on some kenyans i.e dis-belief that rates can actually drop. The Safaricom/Orange bluff that is not going to work because the bottomline for kenyan consumers is : affordable services, finally!
In reality those who understand how telcos work know that Zain has done the right thing and is on the right track.
Safaricom is calling a bluff on its 30 days offer. The bluff is clear = Do you believe rates can drop? If not, stay with us.....
They should expect the negative trends to follow and start thinking of creating a leaner and more competitive company.
A new era of affordable rates is here. Believe it or not. :-)
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Someone please explain to me in business terms how Bhartis 100m subscribers help kenyas less than 1 million and how they will leverage economies of scale to be sustainable in Kenya when offering dirt cheap prices. Equipment? Innovation? If they were talking about indonesia or china, I would agree, but you are talking about a 15m market in Kenya.... In fact ive been saying , unless innovation depends on the other 100m subscribers(international money transfer back to india from kenya for example) then the 100m subscribers are of no use to the kenyan market at all. (has anyone bothered to find out Vodafones global subscriber base and how deep their pockets are?) The big mistake people make is to believe that simply because you are big, you can have one section of your business being unprofitable and life goes on as usual.....im yet to be convinced that bharti can sustain this more than a year. Zain(kuwait) forked out a huge cheque to cover losses in this market especially when Vuka launched. Last i heard Zain losses were at 2billion. Unless Bharti are in for CSR or to learn from Safcoms Mpesa then go back and implement it in the 100m....this story wont end well....especially if some unforeseen global force puts pressure on Bhartis costs. Remember a company called GTV? On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>wrote:
Wash @
Yous still have safcom shares??? LOL !!
A big bunch of those, imagine, and I am sticking to them come-what-may!
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Phares, You may be right about Safaricom probably remaining waaaay ahead versus competitors in terms of revenues - but I can bet my bottom dollar that the next results they post will show a massive drop in profit as compared to the same period last/current year. As a listed company this is going to have a huge impact on their share price. Already some analysts are telling their customers SELL, SELL about Safaricom as of this morning...... Anyway, let's watch the drama unfold! B On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
And if Zain and YU do the same?
Safaricom can not do that, it'll be a demise to them pia
Safaricom are currently the only network that can leverage economies of scale... Basically, if all charge the same rate, Safaricom, all factors remaining constant, will have at least 6 times the revenue of the competition given market share...
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@Pius, I agree, largely, but operational costs in Kenya are independent of global size... The vodaphone group (which owns Essar Telecom, btw) has both larger scale and revenue than the Bharti Group.... @Brian Yes, their shareholders will have to take a beating for now, but over the next 5 years it may play out in their favor. The main reason Essar, Zain and Orange are calling for 3G licenses to be made cheaper is because they no longer have the capital that Safaricom has... -- With Regards, Phares Kariuki | T: +254 734 810 802 | E: pkariuki@gmail.com | Twitter: kaboro | Skype: kariukiphares |
Yet again,Information from reliable sources,Claims that the truck is yet again on that side of Wayaki Way,Talk of Safaricom being tortured today. On 23 August 2010 16:02, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:
Phares,
You may be right about Safaricom probably remaining waaaay ahead versus competitors in terms of revenues - but I can bet my bottom dollar that the next results they post will show a massive drop in profit as compared to the same period last/current year.
As a listed company this is going to have a huge impact on their share price. Already some analysts are telling their customers SELL, SELL about Safaricom as of this morning......
Anyway, let's watch the drama unfold!
B
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>wrote:
And if Zain and YU do the same?
Safaricom can not do that, it'll be a demise to them pia
Safaricom are currently the only network that can leverage economies of scale... Basically, if all charge the same rate, Safaricom, all factors remaining constant, will have at least 6 times the revenue of the competition given market share...
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This fight is overrated. I think after referendum we needed a new story. Zain might have shot themselves in the foot. Because if safaricom drops prices, what will they do next?They would probably have made more money without such drastic cutting of prices. I predict Zain might have to innovate services around its international network to survive otherwise they might keep the kenyan operation running at a loss for a while. Safaricom shareholders who are short term speculators will lose out (after buying at Ksh 2.10 im still waaay in the positive for a long time to come) And nothing stops safaricom from going into IPTV services as well. I think this fight will just call for more innovation. And the winner is.....ME! On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com>wrote:
Phares,
You may be right about Safaricom probably remaining waaaay ahead versus competitors in terms of revenues - but I can bet my bottom dollar that the next results they post will show a massive drop in profit as compared to the same period last/current year.
As a listed company this is going to have a huge impact on their share price. Already some analysts are telling their customers SELL, SELL about Safaricom as of this morning......
Anyway, let's watch the drama unfold!
B
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>wrote:
And if Zain and YU do the same?
Safaricom can not do that, it'll be a demise to them pia
Safaricom are currently the only network that can leverage economies of scale... Basically, if all charge the same rate, Safaricom, all factors remaining constant, will have at least 6 times the revenue of the competition given market share...
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@Joram True dat - the winner is you, me, mama mboga and all the other KE subscribers! B On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
This fight is overrated. I think after referendum we needed a new story.
Zain might have shot themselves in the foot. Because if safaricom drops prices, what will they do next?They would probably have made more money without such drastic cutting of prices. I predict Zain might have to innovate services around its international network to survive otherwise they might keep the kenyan operation running at a loss for a while.
Safaricom shareholders who are short term speculators will lose out (after buying at Ksh 2.10 im still waaay in the positive for a long time to come) And nothing stops safaricom from going into IPTV services as well.
I think this fight will just call for more innovation. And the winner is.....ME!
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com>wrote:
Phares,
You may be right about Safaricom probably remaining waaaay ahead versus competitors in terms of revenues - but I can bet my bottom dollar that the next results they post will show a massive drop in profit as compared to the same period last/current year.
As a listed company this is going to have a huge impact on their share price. Already some analysts are telling their customers SELL, SELL about Safaricom as of this morning......
Anyway, let's watch the drama unfold!
B
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>wrote:
And if Zain and YU do the same?
Safaricom can not do that, it'll be a demise to them pia
Safaricom are currently the only network that can leverage economies of scale... Basically, if all charge the same rate, Safaricom, all factors remaining constant, will have at least 6 times the revenue of the competition given market share...
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So Zain was crying for 3G prices to be reduced so that they start this childish behavior? They were crying for a level playing field to to this? Where is CCK? I think the Kenya government is to blame for entertaining uncompetitive companies that seek sympathy instead of working hard to win masses. Im sure with such antics, Kenyans will notice and stay loyal to the trusted party. Zain has had sooo many Tariffs people no longer know what tariff they are subscribing to. And they just remove you from a tariff e.g. Club 20 or inundate you with smses as if you need junk sms. The ones in the emails are a nightmare, in my sms box? That's extreme. I was going to load my Zain line and use it substantially but from these antics, these people are out to cause a stir in the marketplace and leave us high and dry like the pyramid schemes. Kenyans beware, you might go into buyer remorse. /.0721586109// /.0733911199// On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com>wrote:
@Joram
True dat - the winner is you, me, mama mboga and all the other KE subscribers!
B
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
This fight is overrated. I think after referendum we needed a new story.
Zain might have shot themselves in the foot. Because if safaricom drops prices, what will they do next?They would probably have made more money without such drastic cutting of prices. I predict Zain might have to innovate services around its international network to survive otherwise they might keep the kenyan operation running at a loss for a while.
Safaricom shareholders who are short term speculators will lose out (after buying at Ksh 2.10 im still waaay in the positive for a long time to come) And nothing stops safaricom from going into IPTV services as well.
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