Forum rules to take effect at 0000 EAT
Hi all, A few folks have noticed the downward trend of thread quality on the forum. To increase the S/N ratio of this mailing list, the admins have decided to start moderating threads that do not match the rules posted at http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94. This will start taking effect as of midnight tonight EAT. Banned/moderated users will be listed in a topic under the same forum. Essentially, if your post is - Not IT centric, - Offtopic - SPAM - Obscene - Work positions/Product ads and solicitations You'll probably incur the wrath one of the admins ( and of khan:) ). Please refer to the forum thread as these rules are amended occasionally. Regards, Laban
Finally read the rules. Is the top posting thing a standard format of replying to an email? A lot of forums put the most recent reply on top which IMHO seems better because one may simply want to read the most recent update, without having to scroll a down on every response to the email. o_O? --- On Thu, 12/3/09, Lmwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote: From: Lmwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> Subject: [Skunkworks] Forum rules to take effect at 0000 EAT To: "skunkworks" <skunkworks@my.co.ke> Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 5:18 PM Hi all, A few folks have noticed the downward trend of thread quality on the forum. To increase the S/N ratio of this mailing list, the admins have decided to start moderating threads that do not match the rules posted at http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94. This will start taking effect as of midnight tonight EAT. Banned/moderated users will be listed in a topic under the same forum. Essentially, if your post is - Not IT centric, - Offtopic - SPAM - Obscene - Work positions/Product ads and solicitations You'll probably incur the wrath one of the admins ( and of khan:) ). Please refer to the forum thread as these rules are amended occasionally. Regards, Laban -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Lmwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all, A few folks have noticed the downward trend of thread quality on the forum. To increase the S/N ratio of this mailing list, the admins have decided to start moderating threads that do not match the rules posted at http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94. This will start taking effect as of midnight tonight EAT. Banned/moderated users will be listed in a topic under the same forum. Essentially, if your post is - Not IT centric, - Offtopic - SPAM - Obscene - Work positions/Product ads and solicitations
OK! So if 3 or 4 Java developers begin some Java Club to create a Java product as an exercise to improve their skills and reputations (business network) of all involved, they are out of order to announce it on Skunkworks? Was at a presentation made by a South African firm yesterday. The issue of IT skills shortage in Kenya and globally came up. One of the problems cited is lack of internship to prepare students for the job market before they graduate. Some companies only know how to poach skilled workers but others create skills via internships. So if announcing internships is out of order on skunkworks ....
Hi, On 12/3/09, Murigi Muraya <mmskunkworks@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Lmwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all, A few folks have noticed the downward trend of thread quality on the forum. To increase the S/N ratio of this mailing list, the admins have decided to start moderating threads that do not match the rules posted at http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94. This will start taking effect as of midnight tonight EAT. Banned/moderated users will be listed in a topic under the same forum. Essentially, if your post is - Not IT centric, - Offtopic - SPAM - Obscene - Work positions/Product ads and solicitations
OK! So if 3 or 4 Java developers begin some Java Club to create a Java product as an exercise to improve their skills and reputations (business network) of all involved, they are out of order to announce it on Skunkworks? Forum....
Was at a presentation made by a South African firm yesterday. The issue of IT skills shortage in Kenya and globally came up. One of the problems cited is lack of internship to prepare students for the job market before they graduate. Some companies only know how to poach skilled workers but others create skills via internships. So if announcing internships is out of order on skunkworks .... The forum is a better platform for such a thing. Think about it. Would something like craiglist work better as a mailing list or as it is? The bulletin board is way better for such things. You only need to navigate to the proper topic to get relevant posting[s]. This way, you/I/anyone else doesn't need to trawl through their mail looking for a job/product. And better anyone new can easily locate previously discussed topics.. For example, http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&q=skunkworks+%2Bwvdi...
My 2 pennies
Disclaimer: I am willing and well able to abide by the forum rules. However, in my opinion, if it has clearly been labeled off topic, then if I have no interest in offtopic posts,I can easily filter or delete. Very few people visit The question is, are we regulating for the sake of regulating or which problem are we trying to solve by moderating? If people are discussing it, then it must mean it strikes a chord with them. In which case its the 'quality of membership' and not just the quality of posts that has to be moderated. This is alot of work for the MOD's we should try to find an easier way. Maybe we should change the format of Skunkworks from a mailing list to a web interface like stockskenya/wazua.........easier to manage then. And I am sure there can be revenue in form of Advertisements. PS, IT/TELCO doesn't exist in a vacuum, it exists in the real world where OT issues always come up. It is a steep climb indeed to try and separate the two. On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Lmwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
On 12/3/09, Murigi Muraya <mmskunkworks@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Lmwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all, A few folks have noticed the downward trend of thread quality on the forum. To increase the S/N ratio of this mailing list, the admins have decided to start moderating threads that do not match the rules posted at http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94. This will start taking effect as of midnight tonight EAT. Banned/moderated users will be listed in a topic under the same forum. Essentially, if your post is - Not IT centric, - Offtopic - SPAM - Obscene - Work positions/Product ads and solicitations
OK! So if 3 or 4 Java developers begin some Java Club to create a Java product as an exercise to improve their skills and reputations (business network) of all involved, they are out of order to announce it on Skunkworks? Forum....
Was at a presentation made by a South African firm yesterday. The issue of IT skills shortage in Kenya and globally came up. One of the problems cited is lack of internship to prepare students for the job market before they graduate. Some companies only know how to poach skilled workers but others create skills via internships. So if announcing internships is out of order on skunkworks .... The forum is a better platform for such a thing. Think about it. Would something like craiglist work better as a mailing list or as it is? The bulletin board is way better for such things. You only need to navigate to the proper topic to get relevant posting[s]. This way, you/I/anyone else doesn't need to trawl through their mail looking for a job/product. And better anyone new can easily locate previously discussed topics.. For example,
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&q=skunkworks+%2Bwvdi...
My 2 pennies _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
Tight regulation in my opinion marks the begining of the death of Skunkworks, coz now before i post anything i ask myself whether im in line or not. And its not a nice feeling Some off topic have been interesting and important, at least for me. And i opened it knowing its off topic. Lets regulate, but lets leave room for creativity, ingenuity and even promotion. Just not spam. On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 3:45 PM, John Doe <fivepings@gmail.com> wrote:
Disclaimer: I am willing and well able to abide by the forum rules.
However, in my opinion, if it has clearly been labeled off topic, then if I have no interest in offtopic posts,I can easily filter or delete. Very few people visit
The question is, are we regulating for the sake of regulating or which problem are we trying to solve by moderating? If people are discussing it, then it must mean it strikes a chord with them. In which case its the 'quality of membership' and not just the quality of posts that has to be moderated. This is alot of work for the MOD's we should try to find an easier way.
Maybe we should change the format of Skunkworks from a mailing list to a web interface like stockskenya/wazua.........easier to manage then. And I am sure there can be revenue in form of Advertisements.
PS, IT/TELCO doesn't exist in a vacuum, it exists in the real world where OT issues always come up. It is a steep climb indeed to try and separate the two.
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Lmwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
On 12/3/09, Murigi Muraya <mmskunkworks@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Lmwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all, A few folks have noticed the downward trend of thread quality on the forum. To increase the S/N ratio of this mailing list, the admins have decided to start moderating threads that do not match the rules posted at http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94. This will start taking effect as of midnight tonight EAT. Banned/moderated users will be listed in a topic under the same forum. Essentially, if your post is - Not IT centric, - Offtopic - SPAM - Obscene - Work positions/Product ads and solicitations
OK! So if 3 or 4 Java developers begin some Java Club to create a Java product as an exercise to improve their skills and reputations (business network) of all involved, they are out of order to announce it on Skunkworks? Forum....
Was at a presentation made by a South African firm yesterday. The issue of IT skills shortage in Kenya and globally came up. One of the problems cited is lack of internship to prepare students for the job market before they graduate. Some companies only know how to poach skilled workers but others create skills via internships. So if announcing internships is out of order on skunkworks .... The forum is a better platform for such a thing. Think about it. Would something like craiglist work better as a mailing list or as it is? The bulletin board is way better for such things. You only need to navigate to the proper topic to get relevant posting[s]. This way, you/I/anyone else doesn't need to trawl through their mail looking for a job/product. And better anyone new can easily locate previously discussed topics.. For example,
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&q=skunkworks+%2Bwvdi...
My 2 pennies _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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-- Sent from my Voice Recognition Watch© -------------------------------------------------------------------- God is not an excuse for lack of discipline -------------------------------------------------------------------- Our greatest fear is not that we are inadequate,but that we are powerful beyond measure.It is our light, not our darkness, that frightens us.There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you.As we let our own light shine, we consciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our fear,our presence automatically liberates others.
Joram and John Doe have expressed my sentiments in totality - lets not moderate because we can moderate - if it is to happen, it has to add value. ./Ok3ch On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:
Tight regulation in my opinion marks the begining of the death of Skunkworks, coz now before i post anything i ask myself whether im in line or not. And its not a nice feeling Some off topic have been interesting and important, at least for me. And i opened it knowing its off topic. Lets regulate, but lets leave room for creativity, ingenuity and even promotion. Just not spam.
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 3:45 PM, John Doe <fivepings@gmail.com> wrote:
Disclaimer: I am willing and well able to abide by the forum rules.
However, in my opinion, if it has clearly been labeled off topic, then if I have no interest in offtopic posts,I can easily filter or delete. Very few people visit
The question is, are we regulating for the sake of regulating or which problem are we trying to solve by moderating? If people are discussing it, then it must mean it strikes a chord with them. In which case its the 'quality of membership' and not just the quality of posts that has to be moderated. This is alot of work for the MOD's we should try to find an easier way.
Maybe we should change the format of Skunkworks from a mailing list to a web interface like stockskenya/wazua.........easier to manage then. And I am sure there can be revenue in form of Advertisements.
PS, IT/TELCO doesn't exist in a vacuum, it exists in the real world where OT issues always come up. It is a steep climb indeed to try and separate the two.
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Lmwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
On 12/3/09, Murigi Muraya <mmskunkworks@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Lmwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all, A few folks have noticed the downward trend of thread quality on the forum. To increase the S/N ratio of this mailing list, the admins have decided to start moderating threads that do not match the rules posted at http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94. This will start taking effect as of midnight tonight EAT. Banned/moderated users will be listed in a topic under the same forum. Essentially, if your post is - Not IT centric, - Offtopic - SPAM - Obscene - Work positions/Product ads and solicitations
OK! So if 3 or 4 Java developers begin some Java Club to create a Java product as an exercise to improve their skills and reputations (business network) of all involved, they are out of order to announce it on Skunkworks? Forum....
Was at a presentation made by a South African firm yesterday. The issue of IT skills shortage in Kenya and globally came up. One of the problems cited is lack of internship to prepare students for the job market before they graduate. Some companies only know how to poach skilled workers but others create skills via internships. So if announcing internships is out of order on skunkworks .... The forum is a better platform for such a thing. Think about it. Would something like craiglist work better as a mailing list or as it is? The bulletin board is way better for such things. You only need to navigate to the proper topic to get relevant posting[s]. This way, you/I/anyone else doesn't need to trawl through their mail looking for a job/product. And better anyone new can easily locate previously discussed topics.. For example,
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&q=skunkworks+%2Bwvdi...
My 2 pennies _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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-- Sent from my Voice Recognition Watch© -------------------------------------------------------------------- God is not an excuse for lack of discipline -------------------------------------------------------------------- Our greatest fear is not that we are inadequate,but that we are powerful beyond measure.It is our light, not our darkness, that frightens us.There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you.As we let our own light shine, we consciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our fear,our presence automatically liberates others.
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Hi, On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
Tight regulation in my opinion marks the begining of the death of Skunkworks, coz now before i post anything i ask myself whether im in line or not. And its not a nice feeling
It's not the death, some might consider it the rebirth. The chatter has gotten to unbearable levels.. :( we are simply trying to improve the quality of the posts... And diversify content delivery platforms to include the forum. Some of the mails have turned out to be one liners that really don't add value.. It's actually sad that we got to this level
Some off topic have been interesting and important, at least for me. And i opened it knowing its off topic.
Move it to the forum.. :)
Lets regulate, but lets leave room for creativity, ingenuity and even promotion. Just not spam.
Here's the list compiled so far: http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=95 Warnings are just that. Moderations are for more severe issues e.g Leaving your autoresponder on while on holiday Bans are permanent
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 3:45 PM, John Doe <fivepings@gmail.com> wrote:
Disclaimer: I am willing and well able to abide by the forum rules.
However, in my opinion, if it has clearly been labeled off topic, then if I have no interest in offtopic posts,I can easily filter or delete. Very few people visit
The question is, are we regulating for the sake of regulating or which problem are we trying to solve by moderating? If people are discussing it, then it must mean it strikes a chord with them. In which case its the 'quality of membership' and not just the quality of posts that has to be moderated. This is alot of work for the MOD's we should try to find an easier way.
Maybe we should change the format of Skunkworks from a mailing list to a web interface like stockskenya/wazua.........easier to manage then. And I am sure there can be revenue in form of Advertisements.
PS, IT/TELCO doesn't exist in a vacuum, it exists in the real world where OT issues always come up. It is a steep climb indeed to try and separate the two.
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Lmwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
On 12/3/09, Murigi Muraya <mmskunkworks@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Lmwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all, A few folks have noticed the downward trend of thread quality on the forum. To increase the S/N ratio of this mailing list, the admins have decided to start moderating threads that do not match the rules posted at http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94. This will start taking effect as of midnight tonight EAT. Banned/moderated users will be listed in a topic under the same forum. Essentially, if your post is - Not IT centric, - Offtopic - SPAM - Obscene - Work positions/Product ads and solicitations
OK! So if 3 or 4 Java developers begin some Java Club to create a Java product as an exercise to improve their skills and reputations (business network) of all involved, they are out of order to announce it on Skunkworks? Forum....
Was at a presentation made by a South African firm yesterday. The issue of IT skills shortage in Kenya and globally came up. One of the problems cited is lack of internship to prepare students for the job market before they graduate. Some companies only know how to poach skilled workers but others create skills via internships. So if announcing internships is out of order on skunkworks .... The forum is a better platform for such a thing. Think about it. Would something like craiglist work better as a mailing list or as it is? The bulletin board is way better for such things. You only need to navigate to the proper topic to get relevant posting[s]. This way, you/I/anyone else doesn't need to trawl through their mail looking for a job/product. And better anyone new can easily locate previously discussed topics.. For example,
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&q=skunkworks+%2Bwvdi...
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-- Sent from my Voice Recognition Watch© -------------------------------------------------------------------- God is not an excuse for lack of discipline -------------------------------------------------------------------- Our greatest fear is not that we are inadequate,but that we are powerful beyond measure.It is our light, not our darkness, that frightens us.There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you.As we let our own light shine, we consciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our fear,our presence automatically liberates others.
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This message is off topic, in my opinion On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Lmwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
Tight regulation in my opinion marks the begining of the death of Skunkworks, coz now before i post anything i ask myself whether im in line or not. And its not a nice feeling
It's not the death, some might consider it the rebirth. The chatter has gotten to unbearable levels.. :( we are simply trying to improve the quality of the posts... And diversify content delivery platforms to include the forum. Some of the mails have turned out to be one liners that really don't add value.. It's actually sad that we got to this level
Some off topic have been interesting and important, at least for me. And i opened it knowing its off topic.
Move it to the forum.. :)
Lets regulate, but lets leave room for creativity, ingenuity and even promotion. Just not spam.
Here's the list compiled so far: http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=95 Warnings are just that. Moderations are for more severe issues e.g Leaving your autoresponder on while on holiday Bans are permanent
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 3:45 PM, John Doe <fivepings@gmail.com> wrote:
Disclaimer: I am willing and well able to abide by the forum rules.
However, in my opinion, if it has clearly been labeled off topic, then if I have no interest in offtopic posts,I can easily filter or delete. Very few people visit
The question is, are we regulating for the sake of regulating or which problem are we trying to solve by moderating? If people are discussing it, then it must mean it strikes a chord with them. In which case its the 'quality of membership' and not just the quality of posts that has to be moderated. This is alot of work for the MOD's we should try to find an easier way.
Maybe we should change the format of Skunkworks from a mailing list to a web interface like stockskenya/wazua.........easier to manage then. And I am sure there can be revenue in form of Advertisements.
PS, IT/TELCO doesn't exist in a vacuum, it exists in the real world where OT issues always come up. It is a steep climb indeed to try and separate the two.
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Lmwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
On 12/3/09, Murigi Muraya <mmskunkworks@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Lmwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all, A few folks have noticed the downward trend of thread quality on the forum. To increase the S/N ratio of this mailing list, the admins have decided to start moderating threads that do not match the rules posted at http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94. This will start taking effect as of midnight tonight EAT. Banned/moderated users will be listed in a topic under the same forum. Essentially, if your post is - Not IT centric, - Offtopic - SPAM - Obscene - Work positions/Product ads and solicitations
OK! So if 3 or 4 Java developers begin some Java Club to create a Java product as an exercise to improve their skills and reputations (business network) of all involved, they are out of order to announce it on Skunkworks? Forum....
Was at a presentation made by a South African firm yesterday. The issue of IT skills shortage in Kenya and globally came up. One of the problems cited is lack of internship to prepare students for the job market before they graduate. Some companies only know how to poach skilled workers but others create skills via internships. So if announcing internships is out of order on skunkworks .... The forum is a better platform for such a thing. Think about it. Would something like craiglist work better as a mailing list or as it is? The bulletin board is way better for such things. You only need to navigate to the proper topic to get relevant posting[s]. This way, you/I/anyone else doesn't need to trawl through their mail looking for a job/product. And better anyone new can easily locate previously discussed topics.. For example,
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&q=skunkworks+%2Bwvdi...
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LOL -- Regards Martin
Ok, @Lmwangi and others. Assuming compliance, could you please define the nature of posts that qualify so that we know the scope that skunkworks "puritans" consider as noise. I ask this because I think it becomes important to the group membership to know what skunkworks represents. IMHO, I sincerely doubt that it is as much the fact that it is an IT group as it is a grouping of bright minds. that is why i can ask something specific about Macadam roads and expect an intelligent answer (assuming aki does not paste a link to wikipedia or tell me to RTM-something). Personally i know dozens in engineering, physics, Biochemistry and a host of disciplines. I however respect the need to focus in the specifics, so if skunkworks is purely IT, or Software , Or consumer issues specific to IT, then let it religiously adhere to it and feel free to crack the whip. On directing people to the forums with "OT" posts, <Question> How many here have logged into the forums and answered one post </question> 2009/12/4 Kariuki Martin <martinkariuki7@gmail.com>
LOL
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On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 8:49 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok, @Lmwangi and others.
.......... (assuming aki does not paste a link to wikipedia ).....
@Brianiac, <Banner>*ati paste link from wiki....I protest!*</Banner> :-))))) Dude, 99% of what I post in replies or responses is based on my knowledge accumulated over 23 years in tech industry. :-)
@aki, i said to mean, -> your response to obvious questions. and of course i dont doubt your experience. did you say<bold> <old>*23*</old></bold> years ? On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 10:32 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 8:49 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
Ok, @Lmwangi and others.
.......... (assuming aki does not paste a link to wikipedia ).....
@Brianiac, <Banner>*ati paste link from wiki....I protest!*</Banner> :-)))))
Dude, 99% of what I post in replies or responses is based on my knowledge accumulated over 23 years in tech industry. :-)
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On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 1:31 AM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
@aki, i said to mean, -> your response to obvious questions. and of course i dont doubt your experience. did you say<bold> <old>*23*</old></bold> years ?
Haiya @Brianiac, banner protest withdrawn. ( ni kweli, 23 yrs.... ) BTW, I'd like to suggest the list allow these for diversity : - Financial posts. ( Making skunks better business people ) - Market awareness ( Keeping upto date with whats new or old ) - Interest topics ( I think the idea of OT subject line is good. Besides tech, there are other driving forces that tickle and challenge our minds, some funny while others out of this world.) - Rant related topics ( Strictly not about personalities nor politics nor insults nor materials offensive to others but what affects us in many ways and also allows us to keep intouch ). Anyone who may find the threads out of order, can add their protest and stop the thread. The above will allow unique discussions and who knows, a chance to bring forth solutions and discussions. Let us not lock up our potential but use self regulation and respect for others to further discussions and to keep our our minds open. Me thots. :-)
<my two cents> if there's a restriction on the OT labeled topics, then we seriously limit this 'IT'(information technology) forum. My stand on the abusive language on the forum is that some restrain on the contributors part! Otherwise skunkworks has been enjoyable thus far ; )</my two cents> @LMWANGI> y so srs On 12/5/09, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 1:31 AM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
@aki, i said to mean, -> your response to obvious questions. and of course i dont doubt your experience. did you say<bold> <old>*23*</old></bold> years ?
Haiya @Brianiac, banner protest withdrawn. ( ni kweli, 23 yrs.... )
BTW, I'd like to suggest the list allow these for diversity :
- Financial posts. ( Making skunks better business people )
- Market awareness ( Keeping upto date with whats new or old )
- Interest topics ( I think the idea of OT subject line is good. Besides tech, there are other driving forces that tickle and challenge our minds, some funny while others out of this world.)
- Rant related topics ( Strictly not about personalities nor politics nor insults nor materials offensive to others but what affects us in many ways and also allows us to keep intouch ). Anyone who may find the threads out of order, can add their protest and stop the thread.
The above will allow unique discussions and who knows, a chance to bring forth solutions and discussions. Let us not lock up our potential but use self regulation and respect for others to further discussions and to keep our our minds open.
Me thots. :-)
<my two cents> if there's a restriction on the OT labeled topics, then we seriously limit this 'IT'(information technology) forum. My stand on the abusive language on the forum is that some restrain on the contributors part! Otherwise skunkworks has been enjoyable thus far ; )</my two cents> @LMWANGI> y so srs On 12/5/09, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 1:31 AM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
@aki, i said to mean, -> your response to obvious questions. and of course i dont doubt your experience. did you say<bold> <old>*23*</old></bold> years ?
Haiya @Brianiac, banner protest withdrawn. ( ni kweli, 23 yrs.... )
BTW, I'd like to suggest the list allow these for diversity :
- Financial posts. ( Making skunks better business people )
- Market awareness ( Keeping upto date with whats new or old )
- Interest topics ( I think the idea of OT subject line is good. Besides tech, there are other driving forces that tickle and challenge our minds, some funny while others out of this world.)
- Rant related topics ( Strictly not about personalities nor politics nor insults nor materials offensive to others but what affects us in many ways and also allows us to keep intouch ). Anyone who may find the threads out of order, can add their protest and stop the thread.
The above will allow unique discussions and who knows, a chance to bring forth solutions and discussions. Let us not lock up our potential but use self regulation and respect for others to further discussions and to keep our our minds open.
Me thots. :-)
Moderators, will u also label Mick Wilson of UN a petty offender for always telling us where he is(not working, lol!) and where we should direct our Qs for intelligent answers?? We once discussed sandwiches(very IT i must say :) at a past Barcamp and no one become an idiot in the process. My take? Leave the content of discussions open and focus more on etiquete, flashdisk peddlers and personal attacks. Blessings to y'all! On 12/4/09, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 8:49 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok, @Lmwangi and others.
.......... (assuming aki does not paste a link to wikipedia ).....
@Brianiac, <Banner>*ati paste link from wiki....I protest!*</Banner> :-)))))
Dude, 99% of what I post in replies or responses is based on my knowledge accumulated over 23 years in tech industry. :-)
-- People should know when they are conquered.
I certainly do appreciate the effort that you've taken to ensure that the list remains free of ghasia, but posting people's email addresses on the web is not a good idea. On 04/12/2009, Lmwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
Tight regulation in my opinion marks the begining of the death of Skunkworks, coz now before i post anything i ask myself whether im in line or not. And its not a nice feeling
It's not the death, some might consider it the rebirth. The chatter has gotten to unbearable levels.. :( we are simply trying to improve the quality of the posts... And diversify content delivery platforms to include the forum. Some of the mails have turned out to be one liners that really don't add value.. It's actually sad that we got to this level
Some off topic have been interesting and important, at least for me. And i opened it knowing its off topic.
Move it to the forum.. :)
Lets regulate, but lets leave room for creativity, ingenuity and even promotion. Just not spam.
Here's the list compiled so far: http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=95 Warnings are just that. Moderations are for more severe issues e.g Leaving your autoresponder on while on holiday Bans are permanent
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 3:45 PM, John Doe <fivepings@gmail.com> wrote:
Disclaimer: I am willing and well able to abide by the forum rules.
However, in my opinion, if it has clearly been labeled off topic, then if I have no interest in offtopic posts,I can easily filter or delete. Very few people visit
The question is, are we regulating for the sake of regulating or which problem are we trying to solve by moderating? If people are discussing it, then it must mean it strikes a chord with them. In which case its the 'quality of membership' and not just the quality of posts that has to be moderated. This is alot of work for the MOD's we should try to find an easier way.
Maybe we should change the format of Skunkworks from a mailing list to a web interface like stockskenya/wazua.........easier to manage then. And I am sure there can be revenue in form of Advertisements.
PS, IT/TELCO doesn't exist in a vacuum, it exists in the real world where OT issues always come up. It is a steep climb indeed to try and separate the two.
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Lmwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
On 12/3/09, Murigi Muraya <mmskunkworks@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Lmwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all, A few folks have noticed the downward trend of thread quality on the forum. To increase the S/N ratio of this mailing list, the admins have decided to start moderating threads that do not match the rules posted at http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94. This will start taking effect as of midnight tonight EAT. Banned/moderated users will be listed in a topic under the same forum. Essentially, if your post is - Not IT centric, - Offtopic - SPAM - Obscene - Work positions/Product ads and solicitations
OK! So if 3 or 4 Java developers begin some Java Club to create a Java product as an exercise to improve their skills and reputations (business network) of all involved, they are out of order to announce it on Skunkworks? Forum....
Was at a presentation made by a South African firm yesterday. The issue of IT skills shortage in Kenya and globally came up. One of the problems cited is lack of internship to prepare students for the job market before they graduate. Some companies only know how to poach skilled workers but others create skills via internships. So if announcing internships is out of order on skunkworks .... The forum is a better platform for such a thing. Think about it. Would something like craiglist work better as a mailing list or as it is? The bulletin board is way better for such things. You only need to navigate to the proper topic to get relevant posting[s]. This way, you/I/anyone else doesn't need to trawl through their mail looking for a job/product. And better anyone new can easily locate previously discussed topics.. For example,
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&q=skunkworks+%2Bwvdi...
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What is so bad in posting open positions? IT doesnt exist in an island but it supports all other sectors so limiting the discussion to IT only is not viable to me. We need diversity in order to foster creativity. On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Simon Mbuthia <simon.mbuthia@gmail.com>wrote:
I certainly do appreciate the effort that you've taken to ensure that the list remains free of ghasia, but posting people's email addresses on the web is not a good idea.
On 04/12/2009, Lmwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
Tight regulation in my opinion marks the begining of the death of Skunkworks, coz now before i post anything i ask myself whether im in line or not. And its not a nice feeling
It's not the death, some might consider it the rebirth. The chatter has gotten to unbearable levels.. :( we are simply trying to improve the quality of the posts... And diversify content delivery platforms to include the forum. Some of the mails have turned out to be one liners that really don't add value.. It's actually sad that we got to this level
Some off topic have been interesting and important, at least for me. And i opened it knowing its off topic.
Move it to the forum.. :)
Lets regulate, but lets leave room for creativity, ingenuity and even promotion. Just not spam.
Here's the list compiled so far: http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=95 Warnings are just that. Moderations are for more severe issues e.g Leaving your autoresponder on while on holiday Bans are permanent
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 3:45 PM, John Doe <fivepings@gmail.com> wrote:
Disclaimer: I am willing and well able to abide by the forum rules.
However, in my opinion, if it has clearly been labeled off topic, then
if
I have no interest in offtopic posts,I can easily filter or delete. Very few people visit
The question is, are we regulating for the sake of regulating or which problem are we trying to solve by moderating? If people are discussing it, then it must mean it strikes a chord with them. In which case its the 'quality of membership' and not just the quality of posts that has to be moderated. This is alot of work for the MOD's we should try to find an easier way.
Maybe we should change the format of Skunkworks from a mailing list to a web interface like stockskenya/wazua.........easier to manage then. And I am sure there can be revenue in form of Advertisements.
PS, IT/TELCO doesn't exist in a vacuum, it exists in the real world where OT issues always come up. It is a steep climb indeed to try and separate the two.
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Lmwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
On 12/3/09, Murigi Muraya <mmskunkworks@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Lmwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all, > A few folks have noticed the downward trend of thread quality on the > forum. > To increase the S/N ratio of this mailing list, the admins have decided to > start moderating threads that do not match the rules posted at > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94. This will start taking > effect as of midnight tonight EAT. Banned/moderated users will be listed > in > a topic under the same forum. Essentially, if your post is > - Not IT centric, > - Offtopic > - SPAM > - Obscene > - Work positions/Product ads and solicitations >
OK! So if 3 or 4 Java developers begin some Java Club to create a Java product as an exercise to improve their skills and reputations (business network) of all involved, they are out of order to announce it on Skunkworks? Forum....
Was at a presentation made by a South African firm yesterday. The issue of IT skills shortage in Kenya and globally came up. One of the problems cited is lack of internship to prepare students for the job market before they graduate. Some companies only know how to poach skilled workers but others create skills via internships. So if announcing internships is out of order on skunkworks .... The forum is a better platform for such a thing. Think about it. Would something like craiglist work better as a mailing list or as it is? The bulletin board is way better for such things. You only need to navigate to the proper topic to get relevant posting[s]. This way, you/I/anyone else doesn't need to trawl through their mail looking for a job/product. And better anyone new can easily locate previously discussed topics.. For example,
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&q=skunkworks+%2Bwvdi...
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-- Sent from my Voice Recognition Watch© -------------------------------------------------------------------- God is not an excuse for lack of discipline -------------------------------------------------------------------- Our greatest fear is not that we are inadequate,but that we are powerful beyond measure.It is our light, not our darkness, that frightens us.There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you.As we let our own light shine, we consciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our fear,our presence automatically liberates others.
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Morning happy skunkers, i suggest the moderators go the democratic way and set up a doodle poll where we all can vote for or against each clause in the Harmonized Skunkworks Constitution. What do u think? Blessings y'all! Ps. - did i just top post? Sorry to all offendees. On 12/5/09, Jacob Odada <jacob.odada@gmail.com> wrote:
What is so bad in posting open positions? IT doesnt exist in an island but it supports all other sectors so limiting the discussion to IT only is not viable to me. We need diversity in order to foster creativity.
On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Simon Mbuthia <simon.mbuthia@gmail.com>wrote:
I certainly do appreciate the effort that you've taken to ensure that the list remains free of ghasia, but posting people's email addresses on the web is not a good idea.
On 04/12/2009, Lmwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
Tight regulation in my opinion marks the begining of the death of Skunkworks, coz now before i post anything i ask myself whether im in line or not. And its not a nice feeling
It's not the death, some might consider it the rebirth. The chatter has gotten to unbearable levels.. :( we are simply trying to improve the quality of the posts... And diversify content delivery platforms to include the forum. Some of the mails have turned out to be one liners that really don't add value.. It's actually sad that we got to this level
Some off topic have been interesting and important, at least for me. And i opened it knowing its off topic.
Move it to the forum.. :)
Lets regulate, but lets leave room for creativity, ingenuity and even promotion. Just not spam.
Here's the list compiled so far: http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=95 Warnings are just that. Moderations are for more severe issues e.g Leaving your autoresponder on while on holiday Bans are permanent
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 3:45 PM, John Doe <fivepings@gmail.com> wrote:
Disclaimer: I am willing and well able to abide by the forum rules.
However, in my opinion, if it has clearly been labeled off topic, then
if
I have no interest in offtopic posts,I can easily filter or delete. Very few people visit
The question is, are we regulating for the sake of regulating or which problem are we trying to solve by moderating? If people are discussing it, then it must mean it strikes a chord with them. In which case its the 'quality of membership' and not just the quality of posts that has to be moderated. This is alot of work for the MOD's we should try to find an easier way.
Maybe we should change the format of Skunkworks from a mailing list to a web interface like stockskenya/wazua.........easier to manage then. And I am sure there can be revenue in form of Advertisements.
PS, IT/TELCO doesn't exist in a vacuum, it exists in the real world where OT issues always come up. It is a steep climb indeed to try and separate the two.
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Lmwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
On 12/3/09, Murigi Muraya <mmskunkworks@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Lmwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi all, >> A few folks have noticed the downward trend of thread quality on the >> forum. >> To increase the S/N ratio of this mailing list, the admins have decided to >> start moderating threads that do not match the rules posted at >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94. This will start taking >> effect as of midnight tonight EAT. Banned/moderated users will be listed >> in >> a topic under the same forum. Essentially, if your post is >> - Not IT centric, >> - Offtopic >> - SPAM >> - Obscene >> - Work positions/Product ads and solicitations >> > > OK! So if 3 or 4 Java developers begin some Java Club to create a Java > product as an exercise to improve their skills and reputations (business > network) of all involved, they are out of order to announce it on > Skunkworks? Forum.... > > Was at a presentation made by a South African firm yesterday. The > issue of > IT skills shortage in Kenya and globally came up. One of the problems cited > is lack of internship to prepare students for the job market before they > graduate. Some companies only know how to poach skilled workers but others > create skills via internships. So if announcing internships is out of order > on skunkworks .... The forum is a better platform for such a thing. Think about it. Would something like craiglist work better as a mailing list or as it is? The bulletin board is way better for such things. You only need to navigate to the proper topic to get relevant posting[s]. This way, you/I/anyone else doesn't need to trawl through their mail looking for a job/product. And better anyone new can easily locate previously discussed topics.. For example,
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&q=skunkworks+%2Bwvdi...
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lol harmonised skunkworks constitution.... On 05/12/2009, nyarotho kennedy <kenyarotho@gmail.com> wrote:
Morning happy skunkers, i suggest the moderators go the democratic way and set up a doodle poll where we all can vote for or against each clause in the Harmonized Skunkworks Constitution. What do u think?
Blessings y'all! Ps. - did i just top post? Sorry to all offendees.
On 12/5/09, Jacob Odada <jacob.odada@gmail.com> wrote:
What is so bad in posting open positions? IT doesnt exist in an island but it supports all other sectors so limiting the discussion to IT only is not viable to me. We need diversity in order to foster creativity.
On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Simon Mbuthia <simon.mbuthia@gmail.com>wrote:
I certainly do appreciate the effort that you've taken to ensure that the list remains free of ghasia, but posting people's email addresses on the web is not a good idea.
On 04/12/2009, Lmwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
Tight regulation in my opinion marks the begining of the death of Skunkworks, coz now before i post anything i ask myself whether im in line or not. And its not a nice feeling
It's not the death, some might consider it the rebirth. The chatter has gotten to unbearable levels.. :( we are simply trying to improve the quality of the posts... And diversify content delivery platforms to include the forum. Some of the mails have turned out to be one liners that really don't add value.. It's actually sad that we got to this level
Some off topic have been interesting and important, at least for me. And i opened it knowing its off topic.
Move it to the forum.. :)
Lets regulate, but lets leave room for creativity, ingenuity and even promotion. Just not spam.
Here's the list compiled so far: http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=95 Warnings are just that. Moderations are for more severe issues e.g Leaving your autoresponder on while on holiday Bans are permanent
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 3:45 PM, John Doe <fivepings@gmail.com> wrote:
Disclaimer: I am willing and well able to abide by the forum rules.
However, in my opinion, if it has clearly been labeled off topic, then
if
I have no interest in offtopic posts,I can easily filter or delete. Very few people visit
The question is, are we regulating for the sake of regulating or which problem are we trying to solve by moderating? If people are discussing it, then it must mean it strikes a chord with them. In which case its the 'quality of membership' and not just the quality of posts that has to be moderated. This is alot of work for the MOD's we should try to find an easier way.
Maybe we should change the format of Skunkworks from a mailing list to a web interface like stockskenya/wazua.........easier to manage then. And I am sure there can be revenue in form of Advertisements.
PS, IT/TELCO doesn't exist in a vacuum, it exists in the real world where OT issues always come up. It is a steep climb indeed to try and separate the two.
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Lmwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi, > > On 12/3/09, Murigi Muraya <mmskunkworks@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Lmwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Hi all, > >> A few folks have noticed the downward trend of thread quality on the > >> forum. > >> To increase the S/N ratio of this mailing list, the admins have > decided to > >> start moderating threads that do not match the rules posted at > >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94. This will start taking > >> effect as of midnight tonight EAT. Banned/moderated users will be > listed > >> in > >> a topic under the same forum. Essentially, if your post is > >> - Not IT centric, > >> - Offtopic > >> - SPAM > >> - Obscene > >> - Work positions/Product ads and solicitations > >> > > > > OK! So if 3 or 4 Java developers begin some Java Club to create a Java > > product as an exercise to improve their skills and reputations > (business > > network) of all involved, they are out of order to announce it on > > Skunkworks? > Forum.... > > > > Was at a presentation made by a South African firm yesterday. The > > issue > of > > IT skills shortage in Kenya and globally came up. One of the problems > cited > > is lack of internship to prepare students for the job market > > before > they > > graduate. Some companies only know how to poach skilled workers > > but > others > > create skills via internships. So if announcing internships is out of > order > > on skunkworks .... > The forum is a better platform for such a thing. Think about it. > Would > something like craiglist work better as a mailing list or as it is? > The bulletin board is way better for such things. You only need to > navigate to the proper topic to get relevant posting[s]. This way, > you/I/anyone else doesn't need to trawl through their mail looking > for > a job/product. And better anyone new can easily locate previously > discussed topics.. For example, > > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&q=skunkworks+%2Bwvdi... > > My 2 pennies > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > Other lists > ------------- > Announce: > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >
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Hi All, Skunkworks's core "business" is to discuss, solve and provide solutions to tech issues. Tech issues usually come from indivuduals and businesses. The Individual who works in an business environment form an ecosystem which "mostly" cannot be separated. Especially Boring Fridays, I OT(Read, Write and/or Reply) some issues(Remember Noice laws and neigbours' barking dogs) to see if others can make "light" of my frustrations and/or offer opinion. Please let the list be free. Moderate abusers and personal attacks(Admin MOD). Filter your emails(Personal) and Its my hope this ecosystem will continue to provide the solutions we really need.
Where Oh Where is the like button on this thing??? On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Clement Ongera <cnongera@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All, Skunkworks's core "business" is to discuss, solve and provide solutions to tech issues. Tech issues usually come from indivuduals and businesses. The Individual who works in an business environment form an ecosystem which "mostly" cannot be separated. Especially Boring Fridays, I OT(Read, Write and/or Reply) some issues(Remember Noice laws and neigbours' barking dogs) to see if others can make "light" of my frustrations and/or offer opinion. Please let the list be free. Moderate abusers and personal attacks(Admin MOD). Filter your emails(Personal) and Its my hope this ecosystem will continue to provide the solutions we really need. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
Over-regulation has a way of breeding dissent. That's why people hate Governments and rebuke authority. Hope this does not happen to Skunkworks.
Some one predicted the death of Skunk works ? Is this the beginning ? Some of us are made aware of events through skunkworks [not hostile] but general public information. And that is why people label the disclaimer "Off Topic" - which invites you to ignore or read on.. And depending on your mood at work, an "Off Topic" can take matters off mind on a heavy day.. I thought true 'geekdom' is born, and it can also be grown... Topics like : IT, ICT, sci-fi, mechanics, business ->job adverts [friends have been made aware of jobs/ opportunities thru this list and thats why they can afford internet to contribute] -business and investment [ the other day we warned members about investing in companies going down like Old Mutual] - you could be affected directly or indirectly... -travel and sports - [i saw a post about the rugby team or 'team posers' being denied access to dubai] - i think in ur travels as a business man or IT person, it wud be good to know some things - and that's by readin other's contributions -I guess we come from different fields, where each feels at home at Skunkworks - some of us are at liberty to discuss our jobs, some are not - but non the less - we read and contribute to the posts when we have some information or knowledge on the matter... Take for example - the other day guys were discussin 'Thermostats' and later 'Tyres Inflation' - is this tech or not ? Its not IT, but its technical... Sci-fi topics - I like this - why ? They are based on facts or theories of science - its because of movies like '24' that we have maps on our phones, because it made someone think.. Star Trek, Minorit report etc: most of that technology is now within reach because it triggered someone's imagination.... My 15 cents...
The reason people are talking about the death of skunkworks is because it seems to be oened by certain individuals. Now don't get me wrong, what I mean is... were skunkers involved in setting these rules that dictate what is or is not to be posted, or even the conduct of members on the forum? On 05/12/2009, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote:
Some one predicted the death of Skunk works ?
Is this the beginning ?
Some of us are made aware of events through skunkworks [not hostile] but general public information.
And that is why people label the disclaimer "Off Topic" - which invites you to ignore or read on..
And depending on your mood at work, an "Off Topic" can take matters off mind on a heavy day..
I thought true 'geekdom' is born, and it can also be grown...
Topics like : IT, ICT, sci-fi, mechanics, business
->job adverts [friends have been made aware of jobs/ opportunities thru this list and thats why they can afford internet to contribute]
-business and investment [ the other day we warned members about investing in companies going down like Old Mutual] - you could be affected directly or indirectly...
-travel and sports - [i saw a post about the rugby team or 'team posers' being denied access to dubai] - i think in ur travels as a business man or IT person, it wud be good to know some things - and that's by readin other's contributions
-I guess we come from different fields, where each feels at home at Skunkworks - some of us are at liberty to discuss our jobs, some are not - but non the less - we read and contribute to the posts when we have some information or knowledge on the matter...
Take for example - the other day guys were discussin 'Thermostats' and later 'Tyres Inflation' - is this tech or not ? Its not IT, but its technical...
Sci-fi topics - I like this - why ? They are based on facts or theories of science - its because of movies like '24' that we have maps on our phones, because it made someone think..
Star Trek, Minorit report etc: most of that technology is now within reach because it triggered someone's imagination....
My 15 cents...
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I got my internship through this forum. I owe the contributors of this forum a lot of the insight i have on various topics/areas.... Am just saying.... On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Simon Mbuthia <simon.mbuthia@gmail.com>wrote:
The reason people are talking about the death of skunkworks is because it seems to be oened by certain individuals. Now don't get me wrong, what I mean is... were skunkers involved in setting these rules that dictate what is or is not to be posted, or even the conduct of members on the forum?
Some one predicted the death of Skunk works ?
Is this the beginning ?
Some of us are made aware of events through skunkworks [not hostile] but general public information.
And that is why people label the disclaimer "Off Topic" - which invites you to ignore or read on..
And depending on your mood at work, an "Off Topic" can take matters off mind on a heavy day..
I thought true 'geekdom' is born, and it can also be grown...
Topics like : IT, ICT, sci-fi, mechanics, business
->job adverts [friends have been made aware of jobs/ opportunities thru this list and thats why they can afford internet to contribute]
-business and investment [ the other day we warned members about investing in companies going down like Old Mutual] - you could be affected directly or indirectly...
-travel and sports - [i saw a post about the rugby team or 'team posers' being denied access to dubai] - i think in ur travels as a business man or IT person, it wud be good to know some things - and that's by readin other's contributions
-I guess we come from different fields, where each feels at home at Skunkworks - some of us are at liberty to discuss our jobs, some are not
On 05/12/2009, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote: -
but non the less - we read and contribute to the posts when we have some information or knowledge on the matter...
Take for example - the other day guys were discussin 'Thermostats' and later 'Tyres Inflation' - is this tech or not ? Its not IT, but its technical...
Sci-fi topics - I like this - why ? They are based on facts or theories of science - its because of movies like '24' that we have maps on our phones, because it made someone think..
Star Trek, Minorit report etc: most of that technology is now within reach because it triggered someone's imagination....
My 15 cents...
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The internet is 'free' and non-regulated. Thats what has pushed internet to the levels it has reached now. Creativity and interaction booms in a free environment. so admins i have just looked through the responses on these thread and certanly these skunkers are not anywhere close to you side. i was also looking at the forum http://my.co.ke/phpbb/index.php and '*General Chatter*' has the most topics and posts. Read the writing on that wall! Internet or online 'business' is about numbers, and free equates numbers, with numbers power (facebook). So lose the seriousness, take a chill pill and the rest of US will appreciate that. This statement is having me worried:
Essentially, if your post is - Not IT centric, - Offtopic - SPAM - Obscene - Work positions/Product ads and solicitations
1. *Spam and Obscenity* i cant stand for that!! 2. *IT Centric and Off topic*: i need more clarification on that. I bet this is the POPULAR 'General Chatter' 3. *Work positions/Product ads and solicitations*: now this one is outrageous. This is what completes the whole cycle. As in once i get to learn from skunkworks or some other place, i get to look for a job, want to employ someone who sounds 'he knows IT', sell my product by ads and get feedback on the same. and the list is endless. Dont kill this crucial cycle!!!
I do agree that this rules should be voted on, and not - "takes effect by 00:00hrs" kind of talk. ./Ok3ch On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Willie Ong'uti <williexm@gmail.com> wrote:
The internet is 'free' and non-regulated. Thats what has pushed internet to the levels it has reached now. Creativity and interaction booms in a free environment. so admins i have just looked through the responses on these thread and certanly these skunkers are not anywhere close to you side. i was also looking at the forum http://my.co.ke/phpbb/index.php and 'General Chatter' has the most topics and posts. Read the writing on that wall! Internet or online 'business' is about numbers, and free equates numbers, with numbers power (facebook). So lose the seriousness, take a chill pill and the rest of US will appreciate that. This statement is having me worried:
Essentially, if your post is - Not IT centric, - Offtopic - SPAM - Obscene - Work positions/Product ads and solicitations
1. Spam and Obscenity i cant stand for that!! 2. IT Centric and Off topic: i need more clarification on that. I bet this is the POPULAR 'General Chatter' 3. Work positions/Product ads and solicitations: now this one is outrageous. This is what completes the whole cycle. As in once i get to learn from skunkworks or some other place, i get to look for a job, want to employ someone who sounds 'he knows IT', sell my product by ads and get feedback on the same. and the list is endless. Dont kill this crucial cycle!!!
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naaaaaa, i think something was the issue, ikaenda down. Although i did send some posts today ive not received any feedback. On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Lenchipai Nakodony <lenchi@inbox.com> wrote:
Has it really began.. Only no emails today
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-----Original Message----- *From:* williexm@gmail.com *Sent:* Sat, 5 Dec 2009 21:51:37 +0300 *To:* skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke *Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] Forum rules to take effect at 0000 EAT
The internet is 'free' and non-regulated. Thats what has pushed internet to the levels it has reached now. Creativity and interaction booms in a free environment. so admins i have just looked through the responses on these thread and certanly these skunkers are not anywhere close to you side.
i was also looking at the forum http://my.co.ke/phpbb/index.php and '*General Chatter*' has the most topics and posts. Read the writing on that wall! Internet or online 'business' is about numbers, and free equates numbers, with numbers power (facebook). So lose the seriousness, take a chill pill and the rest of US will appreciate that.
This statement is having me worried:
Essentially, if your post is - Not IT centric, - Offtopic - SPAM - Obscene - Work positions/Product ads and solicitations
1. *Spam and Obscenity* i cant stand for that!! 2. *IT Centric and Off topic*: i need more clarification on that. I bet this is the POPULAR 'General Chatter' 3. *Work positions/Product ads and solicitations*: now this one is outrageous. This is what completes the whole cycle. As in once i get to learn from skunkworks or some other place, i get to look for a job, want to employ someone who sounds 'he knows IT', sell my product by ads and get feedback on the same. and the list is endless. Dont kill this crucial cycle!!!
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Is is that I have been kicked out of the list or that guys are scared stiff of posting lest they be kicked out for posting messages that do not conform to the new "rules"?? On 05/12/2009, Willie Ong'uti <williexm@gmail.com> wrote:
The internet is 'free' and non-regulated. Thats what has pushed internet to the levels it has reached now. Creativity and interaction booms in a free environment. so admins i have just looked through the responses on these thread and certanly these skunkers are not anywhere close to you side.
i was also looking at the forum http://my.co.ke/phpbb/index.php and '*General Chatter*' has the most topics and posts. Read the writing on that wall! Internet or online 'business' is about numbers, and free equates numbers, with numbers power (facebook). So lose the seriousness, take a chill pill and the rest of US will appreciate that.
This statement is having me worried:
Essentially, if your post is - Not IT centric, - Offtopic - SPAM - Obscene - Work positions/Product ads and solicitations
1. *Spam and Obscenity* i cant stand for that!! 2. *IT Centric and Off topic*: i need more clarification on that. I bet this is the POPULAR 'General Chatter' 3. *Work positions/Product ads and solicitations*: now this one is outrageous. This is what completes the whole cycle. As in once i get to learn from skunkworks or some other place, i get to look for a job, want to employ someone who sounds 'he knows IT', sell my product by ads and get feedback on the same. and the list is endless. Dont kill this crucial cycle!!!
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SITT is an avenue for It persons who are just starting their enterprises or have innovations can take part in. Currently the program is recruiting It innovators with the goal of commercializing their It ideas … From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Eva Kimathi Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 4:16 PM To: Skunkworks Forum Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Forum rules to take effect at 0000 EAT I got my internship through this forum. I owe the contributors of this forum a lot of the insight i have on various topics/areas.... Am just saying.... On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Simon Mbuthia <simon.mbuthia@gmail.com<mailto:simon.mbuthia@gmail.com>> wrote: The reason people are talking about the death of skunkworks is because it seems to be oened by certain individuals. Now don't get me wrong, what I mean is... were skunkers involved in setting these rules that dictate what is or is not to be posted, or even the conduct of members on the forum? On 05/12/2009, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com<mailto:ndungustephen@gmail.com>> wrote:
Some one predicted the death of Skunk works ?
Is this the beginning ?
Some of us are made aware of events through skunkworks [not hostile] but general public information.
And that is why people label the disclaimer "Off Topic" - which invites you to ignore or read on..
And depending on your mood at work, an "Off Topic" can take matters off mind on a heavy day..
I thought true 'geekdom' is born, and it can also be grown...
Topics like : IT, ICT, sci-fi, mechanics, business
->job adverts [friends have been made aware of jobs/ opportunities thru this list and thats why they can afford internet to contribute]
-business and investment [ the other day we warned members about investing in companies going down like Old Mutual] - you could be affected directly or indirectly...
-travel and sports - [i saw a post about the rugby team or 'team posers' being denied access to dubai] - i think in ur travels as a business man or IT person, it wud be good to know some things - and that's by readin other's contributions
-I guess we come from different fields, where each feels at home at Skunkworks - some of us are at liberty to discuss our jobs, some are not - but non the less - we read and contribute to the posts when we have some information or knowledge on the matter...
Take for example - the other day guys were discussin 'Thermostats' and later 'Tyres Inflation' - is this tech or not ? Its not IT, but its technical...
Sci-fi topics - I like this - why ? They are based on facts or theories of science - its because of movies like '24' that we have maps on our phones, because it made someone think..
Star Trek, Minorit report etc: most of that technology is now within reach because it triggered someone's imagination....
My 15 cents...
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IMO, Regulation will kill this forum. Techies are prone to OT rantings and ramblings. An example is Slashdot.org. open Any post on slashdot and you'll immediately notice numerous OT remarks and discussions. The unexpected result is that many interesting - but barely related or totally unrelated - child discussions are spawned within the main topic. Eg, any discussion involving lasers is almost guaranteed to spawn comments/remarks about sharks. End result? An extremely lively discussion, with very many INTERESTING diversions. single discussions spawning 600, even 800 comments on slashdot are not uncommon. Users LEARN many new things in the process. LEARNING is what most of us are here for. If we are to start dropping anything "OT" (depending on what definition of OT is agreed upon), we shall realize just how narrow IT really is. Granted, IT is a wide field, but we cannot have purely IT posts - at least not enough to sustain much daily interest in the forum anyway. NEMA Anti-Noise Laws? OT. Engine Performance Tuning? OT. End of the World / 2012? OT. Ukambani Anti-Gravity? OT. Fraud at Old Mutual? OT. Alternative Fuel? OT. NCC 45* Slanting Roof Law? OT. Besides, the forum is to some extent self-moderating - really OT posts (abortion ? ) are ignored, while INTERESTING posts get all the attention. Posters figure out what is / is not OT based on the replies generated, they learn. Lets not be too hasty here. ------------------------------ <...motobaridi, return to sender, address unknown...> ------------------------------ ============================================= On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Lmwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all, A few folks have noticed the downward trend of thread quality on the forum. To increase the S/N ratio of this mailing list, the admins have decided to start moderating threads that do not match the rules posted at http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94. This will start taking effect as of midnight tonight EAT. Banned/moderated users will be listed in a topic under the same forum. Essentially, if your post is
- Not IT centric, - Offtopic - SPAM - Obscene - Work positions/Product ads and solicitations You'll probably incur the wrath one of the admins ( and of khan:) ). Please refer to the forum thread as these rules are amended occasionally. Regards, Laban
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ever heard the statement "don't throw out the baby with the bath water" ?that looks likw what's happening here. Due to some bad apples a lot of positive stuff is being thrown out.. On 08/12/2009, MotoBaridi <motobaridi@gmail.com> wrote:
IMO, Regulation will kill this forum. Techies are prone to OT rantings and ramblings. An example is Slashdot.org. open Any post on slashdot and you'll immediately notice numerous OT remarks and discussions. The unexpected result is that many interesting - but barely related or totally unrelated - child discussions are spawned within the main topic. Eg, any discussion involving lasers is almost guaranteed to spawn comments/remarks about sharks. End result? An extremely lively discussion, with very many INTERESTING diversions. single discussions spawning 600, even 800 comments on slashdot are not uncommon. Users LEARN many new things in the process. LEARNING is what most of us are here for. If we are to start dropping anything "OT" (depending on what definition of OT is agreed upon), we shall realize just how narrow IT really is. Granted, IT is a wide field, but we cannot have purely IT posts - at least not enough to sustain much daily interest in the forum anyway. NEMA Anti-Noise Laws? OT. Engine Performance Tuning? OT. End of the World / 2012? OT. Ukambani Anti-Gravity? OT. Fraud at Old Mutual? OT. Alternative Fuel? OT. NCC 45* Slanting Roof Law? OT. Besides, the forum is to some extent self-moderating - really OT posts (abortion ? ) are ignored, while INTERESTING posts get all the attention. Posters figure out what is / is not OT based on the replies generated, they learn. Lets not be too hasty here.
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On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Lmwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all, A few folks have noticed the downward trend of thread quality on the forum. To increase the S/N ratio of this mailing list, the admins have decided to start moderating threads that do not match the rules posted at http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94. This will start taking effect as of midnight tonight EAT. Banned/moderated users will be listed in a topic under the same forum. Essentially, if your post is
- Not IT centric, - Offtopic - SPAM - Obscene - Work positions/Product ads and solicitations You'll probably incur the wrath one of the admins ( and of khan:) ). Please refer to the forum thread as these rules are amended occasionally. Regards, Laban
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The list is like a social network ....people connected by their love for IT related stuff. But they are human beings and they are also interested with other things and needs. When we need something we search for it...where else do you search,if its not around the people you value their opinion? That is why guys ask for internship,they can advertise whatever they are selling,ask about tyres,discuss about samurai jack etc. All those offtopic stuff sometimes make the list interesting.Too much technical stuff can sometimes get boring. We can get the best of both worlds the technical and appreciate the social value we derive from the list. Alternatively we can change the format,as suggested by John Doe.So off topic threads are labeled as others. On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 12:38 AM, Gituma Nturibi <gnturibi@gmail.com> wrote:
ever heard the statement "don't throw out the baby with the bath water" ?that looks likw what's happening here. Due to some bad apples a lot of positive stuff is being thrown out..
IMO, Regulation will kill this forum. Techies are prone to OT rantings and ramblings. An example is Slashdot.org. open Any post on slashdot and you'll immediately notice numerous OT remarks and discussions. The unexpected result is that many interesting - but barely related or totally unrelated
On 08/12/2009, MotoBaridi <motobaridi@gmail.com> wrote: -
child discussions are spawned within the main topic. Eg, any discussion involving lasers is almost guaranteed to spawn comments/remarks about sharks. End result? An extremely lively discussion, with very many INTERESTING diversions. single discussions spawning 600, even 800 comments on slashdot are not uncommon. Users LEARN many new things in the process. LEARNING is what most of us are here for. If we are to start dropping anything "OT" (depending on what definition of OT is agreed upon), we shall realize just how narrow IT really is. Granted, IT is a wide field, but we cannot have purely IT posts - at least not enough to sustain much daily interest in the forum anyway. NEMA Anti-Noise Laws? OT. Engine Performance Tuning? OT. End of the World / 2012? OT. Ukambani Anti-Gravity? OT. Fraud at Old Mutual? OT. Alternative Fuel? OT. NCC 45* Slanting Roof Law? OT. Besides, the forum is to some extent self-moderating - really OT posts (abortion ? ) are ignored, while INTERESTING posts get all the attention. Posters figure out what is / is not OT based on the replies generated, they learn. Lets not be too hasty here.
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On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Lmwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all, A few folks have noticed the downward trend of thread quality on the forum. To increase the S/N ratio of this mailing list, the admins have decided to start moderating threads that do not match the rules posted at http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94. This will start taking effect as of midnight tonight EAT. Banned/moderated users will be listed in a topic under the same forum. Essentially, if your post is
- Not IT centric, - Offtopic - SPAM - Obscene - Work positions/Product ads and solicitations You'll probably incur the wrath one of the admins ( and of khan:) ). Please refer to the forum thread as these rules are amended occasionally. Regards, Laban
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[ Brainiac ] -
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Clement Ongera -
Eva Kimathi -
Gituma Nturibi -
Jacob Odada -
Jared Koyier -
John Doe -
Joram Mwinamo -
Joseph McDonald -
Kariuki Martin -
Lenchipai Nakodony -
Lmwangi -
MotoBaridi -
Murigi Muraya -
ndungu stephen -
nyarotho kennedy -
Okechukwu -
Philip Musyoki -
Pius W Walela -
Simon Mbuthia -
Tech List Kenya -
wesley kirinya -
Willie Ong'uti