Dear featured developer, You have done something momentus and Kenyan coders are proud of you. but kindly withdraw or justify the statement "Its better than photoshop" else we (may be just me) shall hold you accountable. Kind and honest Regards, Adobe photoshop user for 8 years.
Hi, I think he meant in certain respects, kind sir, not in totality because that, quite frankly, would be unfathomable. Fence Sitter. From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Humphrey Ngoiya Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 10:39 PM To: Skunkworks Forum Subject: [Skunkworks] Money Matters Dear featured developer, You have done something momentus and Kenyan coders are proud of you. but kindly withdraw or justify the statement "Its better than photoshop" else we (may be just me) shall hold you accountable. Kind and honest Regards, Adobe photoshop user for 8 years.
I think he said not his own views but according to views of the system users.
His exact words were "it is better than photoshop, not my view but the views of people in tech forums", Would he kindly withdraw or defend that statement, because i have never heard that in skunkworks. Regards, Chysis draw user since yesterday. On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 8:12 AM, kimondo Duncan <kimondodk@gmail.com> wrote:
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Ok, time to move on On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Humphrey Ngoiya <hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
His exact words were "it is better than photoshop, not my view but the views of people in tech forums", Would he kindly withdraw or defend that statement, because i have never heard that in skunkworks.
Regards, Chysis draw user since yesterday.
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Paul, i concur On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok, time to move on
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Humphrey Ngoiya <hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
His exact words were "it is better than photoshop, not my view but the views of people in tech forums", Would he kindly withdraw or defend that statement, because i have never heard that in skunkworks.
Regards, Chysis draw user since yesterday.
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Sawa I will move on. <parting shot> You can run but you cant hide, before you achieve your vision of selling your app suit to the graphics community, be prepared to hear very harsh criticisms. Merely claiming that your app is better than photoshop will not cut it. </parting shot> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:49 AM, pithon kamau <pitkag@gmail.com> wrote:
Paul, i concur
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok, time to move on
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Humphrey Ngoiya <hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
His exact words were "it is better than photoshop, not my view but the views of people in tech forums", Would he kindly withdraw or defend that statement, because i have never heard that in skunkworks.
Regards, Chysis draw user since yesterday.
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First, let acknowledge that what Chacha has done is a great achievement However, what i do not get is what it that he has done over and above the existing graphics package. Please enlighten me on the following 1. New algorithms that he has come up with or improved over and above the existing ones 2. New and innovative approach used not in the existing applications 3. What is it that makes the application stand out from the rest? 4. What addition knowledge has he contributed to the field of graphics apps Regards ________________________________ From: Humphrey Ngoiya <hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk> To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Fri, February 25, 2011 10:10:48 AM Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Money Matters Sawa I will move on. <parting shot> You can run but you cant hide, before you achieve your vision of selling your app suit to the graphics community, be prepared to hear very harsh criticisms. Merely claiming that your app is better than photoshop will not cut it. </parting shot> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:49 AM, pithon kamau <pitkag@gmail.com> wrote: Paul, i concur
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok, time to move on
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Humphrey Ngoiya <hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
His exact words were "it is better than photoshop, not my view but the views of people in tech forums", Would he kindly withdraw or defend that statement, because i have never heard that in skunkworks.
Regards, Chysis draw user since yesterday.
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 8:12 AM, kimondo Duncan <kimondodk@gmail.com> wrote:
I think he said not his own views but according to views of the system users.
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@Humphrey, actually your input is quite important to the list so please don't shy away because you have a different view of things. :-) However, talking about the Kenyan graphics community, can you please refer me to a link of any high value, large scale, Sci-Fi graphics intense work done so as to understand and appreciate where the local application comes short on delivery of functionality? Cheers. :-) On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Humphrey Ngoiya <hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
Sawa I will move on.
<parting shot> You can run but you cant hide, before you achieve your vision of selling your app suit to the graphics community, be prepared to hear very harsh criticisms. Merely claiming that your app is better than photoshop will not cut it. </parting shot>
I would hire Chacha to help me develope a Game engine for that On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:30 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Humphrey, actually your input is quite important to the list so please don't shy away because you have a different view of things. :-)
However, talking about the Kenyan graphics community, can you please refer me to a link of any high value, large scale, Sci-Fi graphics intense work done so as to understand and appreciate where the local application comes short on delivery of functionality?
Cheers. :-)
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Humphrey Ngoiya <hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
Sawa I will move on.
<parting shot> You can run but you cant hide, before you achieve your vision of selling your app suit to the graphics community, be prepared to hear very harsh criticisms. Merely claiming that your app is better than photoshop will not cut it. </parting shot>
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@aki attached is some of the things i have made using photoshop, some of these effects can not be done with corel draw let alone chysis software. On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:30 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Humphrey, actually your input is quite important to the list so please don't shy away because you have a different view of things. :-)
However, talking about the Kenyan graphics community, can you please refer me to a link of any high value, large scale, Sci-Fi graphics intense work done so as to understand and appreciate where the local application comes short on delivery of functionality?
Cheers. :-)
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Humphrey Ngoiya <hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
Sawa I will move on.
<parting shot> You can run but you cant hide, before you achieve your vision of selling your app suit to the graphics community, be prepared to hear very harsh criticisms. Merely claiming that your app is better than photoshop will not cut it. </parting shot>
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Humphrey, There is nothing to prove, there is no cause to justify. Try and move on with life and other things.
@Humphrey, not to deny that you're good at what you do, but I could do those things in paint. It's all a matter of end product, I might spend a couple of more minutes than you do. @Aki, you're right. I have nothing against Adobe, except that I and many other Kenyans pirate their $3000 Master Collection (#notaproudmoment)... so it's great when someone puts dedication into something for 7 years and then releases it for free and places Kenya on the map albeit by a measly 12MB app and an hyped up article to match, I think he deserves it @Chacha, Adobe was developed by men. Another 13 years, hell, another 87 and with the same vision Chasys can be better, it's all about where the vision's at. On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 9:02 AM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
Humphrey,
There is nothing to prove, there is no cause to justify.
Try and move on with life and other things.
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@Aki, Do you really have to generalize every bad attribute with being Kenyan! I want to convince myself am not included in the pack! I disagree, because I believe anyone can do better their own circumstances. Picture this; the average population in the US (where MS and Adobe may have been created) constitutes billions of people, out of which thousands are the coders, developers, other tech geeks. Proportionately, a Kenya scenario would give the same ratio Away from numbers, its not about an idea bieng original or not, its the opportunity that someone see in it and decides to try make out money...even if its by copying a replica of a business n doing it differently...just to meet customer demands that haven't yet been met. As Humphrey says, its WORKING SMART, not WORKING HARD. If some people are lazy in your own opinion, not everyone is!! On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Kago Kagichiri <thekenyanprince@gmail.com>wrote:
@Humphrey, not to deny that you're good at what you do, but I could do those things in paint. It's all a matter of end product, I might spend a couple of more minutes than you do.
@Aki, you're right. I have nothing against Adobe, except that I and many other Kenyans pirate their $3000 Master Collection (#notaproudmoment)... so it's great when someone puts dedication into something for 7 years and then releases it for free and places Kenya on the map albeit by a measly 12MB app and an hyped up article to match, I think he deserves it
@Chacha, Adobe was developed by men. Another 13 years, hell, another 87 and with the same vision Chasys can be better, it's all about where the vision's at.
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 9:02 AM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com>wrote:
Humphrey,
There is nothing to prove, there is no cause to justify.
Try and move on with life and other things.
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@kago, I wonder how you would do some of the effects in paint. usitudanganye. @H, please let go of this vybe. On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Kago Kagichiri <thekenyanprince@gmail.com>wrote:
@Humphrey, not to deny that you're good at what you do, but I could do those things in paint. It's all a matter of end product, I might spend a couple of more minutes than you do.
@Greg, my comments are based on an outlook that we can and should do better. Either way, in regards to working smart or working hard, I've never had any issues with such. I believe bottomline is this: dependency and how should we get rid of it in the long term. To place a classic situation for discussion, say that commercially Adobe managed to ccommercially and completely embargo kenya on use of its software. What are our options then? You would probably then understand why China has pushed ahead so much. While it has become now what it is, they recently developed their own version of a jet fighter which many are tempted to say that it's a copy again, with some stories of a downed nato craft during the balkans war that might have been taken away for R & D. We are TOTALLY EMBARGOED on things like online apps like those of iPhones, Blackberry etc. Does anyone have a local iTunes account? What about PayPal and such, are we able to receive payments? If we are all to become an economic power house, see imporevment of kenyans needs, then we definately and passionately need to look ahead. I cannot believe that being an agricultural country, we still import tractors and those leasing/rent costs are passed over to the the consumer. Look around you and list what is kenyan made and is a success. :-) Some thots, IMHO. On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Gregory Okoth <gregory.okoth@gmail.com>wrote:
@Aki, Do you really have to generalize every bad attribute with being Kenyan! I want to convince myself am not included in the pack!
I disagree, because I believe anyone can do better their own circumstances. Picture this; the average population in the US (where MS and Adobe may have been created) constitutes billions of people, out of which thousands are the coders, developers, other tech geeks. Proportionately, a Kenya scenario would give the same ratio
Away from numbers, its not about an idea bieng original or not, its the opportunity that someone see in it and decides to try make out money...even if its by copying a replica of a business n doing it differently...just to meet customer demands that haven't yet been met. As Humphrey says, its WORKING SMART, not WORKING HARD. If some people are lazy in your own opinion, not everyone is!!
FYI: from a technology perspective Chinese made jet fighter : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEBlWoUTclQ What does it mean, economically? It now has the industrial and scientific ability to create from scratch all components such as jet engine parts, wing aerodynamics, special anti-radar detection paints, you name it. It has localised those abilities. While some are still stuck on the buyer/seller mentality and end up buying"mitumbas" and probably first generation jet fighters that are at best noise in the sky.
@Aki, my first job was in TATA motors (Indian company), They made their first car back in 1945 from photocopied plans of a Daimler-Benz track. In 2009-2010 financial year, they had revenues of USD 20 billion. The moral of the story is, Everyone who contributed to this thread is somehow right. *THE END* On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 1:31 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
FYI: from a technology perspective
Chinese made jet fighter : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEBlWoUTclQ
What does it mean, economically? It now has the industrial and scientific ability to create from scratch all components such as jet engine parts, wing aerodynamics, special anti-radar detection paints, you name it. It has localised those abilities. While some are still stuck on the buyer/seller mentality and end up buying"mitumbas" and probably first generation jet fighters that are at best noise in the sky.
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@humphrey. Wacha kutuchezea akili. Yaani unakunja sura kwa picha alafu unatuambia ulifanya hivyo na photoshop? Ama kuna plugin ya hiyo kazi na hatujui?
@James Nzomo, is called the Kunja sura plugin, download it at http://tinyurl.com/6kgqc7t 2011/2/28 James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com>
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hahahahahahahah On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 4:41 AM, Humphrey Ngoiya <hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
@James Nzomo, is called the Kunja sura plugin, download it at http://tinyurl.com/6kgqc7t
2011/2/28 James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com>
@humphrey. Wacha kutuchezea akili.
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@Chacha (Developer), I hope you realise that you or on a different league from Humphrey. A hypothetical global example is a few disgruntled Apple users asking Steve Jobs to explain how a certain app is better than Microsoft`s product, Just a thot On 2/25/11, Humphrey Ngoiya <hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Sawa I will move on.
<parting shot> You can run but you cant hide, before you achieve your vision of selling your app suit to the graphics community, be prepared to hear very harsh criticisms. Merely claiming that your app is better than photoshop will not cut it. </parting shot>
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:49 AM, pithon kamau <pitkag@gmail.com> wrote:
Paul, i concur
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok, time to move on
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Humphrey Ngoiya <hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
His exact words were "it is better than photoshop, not my view but the views of people in tech forums", Would he kindly withdraw or defend that statement, because i have never heard that in skunkworks.
Regards, Chysis draw user since yesterday.
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is that clip on you tube? On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Fellow Skunk <fellowskunker@gmail.com>wrote:
@Chacha (Developer),
I hope you realise that you or on a different league from Humphrey.
A hypothetical global example is a few disgruntled Apple users asking Steve Jobs to explain how a certain app is better than Microsoft`s product,
Just a thot
On 2/25/11, Humphrey Ngoiya <hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Sawa I will move on.
<parting shot> You can run but you cant hide, before you achieve your vision of selling your app suit to the graphics community, be prepared to hear very harsh criticisms. Merely claiming that your app is better than photoshop will not cut it. </parting shot>
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:49 AM, pithon kamau <pitkag@gmail.com> wrote:
Paul, i concur
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok, time to move on
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Humphrey Ngoiya <hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
His exact words were "it is better than photoshop, not my view but the views of people in tech forums", Would he kindly withdraw or defend that statement, because i have never heard that in skunkworks.
Regards, Chysis draw user since yesterday.
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And while we are at the discussion of next generation of kenyan graphics designers, please let us not compare animations written for BBC Kiddies programs , or adverts that use simple software like Maya to produce a liquid effect from a library and let us try to find Kenyan Graphics done for Prime Time viewership. Over to you. :-)
@Humphrey, I did not get a chance to watch the TV program, but probably you could help out on more info as you are quite informed on graphics editing software: Local software versus International Software: - Cost? - Functionality? - Developemnt teams and budgets? - Market Share? If the developer said such a thing as you wrote below, as an end user of both local and international platforms, where excatly lies the issues? Asante. :-) On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Humphrey Ngoiya <hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
His exact words were "it is better than photoshop, not my view but the views of people in tech forums", Would he kindly withdraw or defend that statement, because i have never heard that in skunkworks.
Regards, Chysis draw user since yesterday.
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Kago Kagichiri -
kennedy kariuki -
kimondo Duncan -
Mark Mwangi -
Paul Kevin -
Philip Musyoki -
pithon kamau -
Shadrack Mwaniki -
Steve Muchai