LOL. True Dennis. @Rad! Vision 2030 in darkness in-deed. Well I guess the wise are preparing. Let me pour in some wisdom. Get laptops with battery of atleast 3 hours, or even buy additional battery therefore u get atleast 6 hours battery and they can charge overnight. And I heard another drought, ohh sorry the country is in drought already so it must be famine, was in the horizon. Dare those people cutting trees plea for food coz there is no rain! 8~) --- On Tue, 7/14/09, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote: From: Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] upcoming power rationing To: "Skunkworks forum" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 9:53 AM why are you surprised by such happenings? I Nairobi it is unoficially easier to get petrol in some estates than water. In the same country, several rivers empty millions of litres of fresh water into salty and sewered ( a small problem according to some health official) oceans. Before you comment on that, remember that Kisumu, right on the shows of the worlds second largest water lake, suffers from a persistent water shortage. the problem here is not shortage of resources, but inability to maintain them. no one was experiencing water or power rationing when we were on a forest burning spree earlier in the year. Remember that NTV advert of soil in your drinking water glass?apparently it wasn't and advertising con. 2009/7/14 Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> Absolutely absurd in the day of nuclear power, solar power, wind power this government is still treating overtaxed Kenyans to nonsense like power rationing. Vision 2030 indeed! On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Michael Omondi <michaelomondi@gmail.com> wrote: It was in the news. From September KPLC will be rationing power due to low level of water at the 7 fox dams From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of wesley kiriinya Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 8:08 AM To: Skunkworks forum Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] upcoming power rationing What power rationing? 8~( _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Skunkworks announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general -- with Regards: Manifestation of the Kenyan culture of impunity in matatus: dangerous driving, law breaking, scrambling and porn. Only at my blog: http://gramware.blogspot.com -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Skunkworks announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
Hi Guys, The whole issue tickles down to the same thing, Our so called Leaders. I tell u guy Im a physisist by Training plus other friends I know of, we are full aware of this things as pple say "In the US/Europe" so the same goes for Kenya. Currently Efficient solar panels are being developed in the UoN (University of Nairobi), efficiency of solar panels is abt 10 %. Nuclear option is also possible from the same Physicists. I tell you guys, It is a fact Engineers just implement hence thats why we implement so much of western Tech, physicists do the real stuff of analyzing and comin up with such things, It is also a fact that 1 Physicist can replace 1000 Engineers (A simple proof of this is in the commedy Big Bang Theory - hope u have all wathced the physisct called Sheldon). If the Gvt would really listen and fund these projects we should be able to sort so many issues. Cheerz Themburu On 7/14/09, wesley kiriinya <kiriinya2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
LOL. True Dennis. @Rad! Vision 2030 in darkness in-deed. Well I guess the wise are preparing. Let me pour in some wisdom. Get laptops with battery of atleast 3 hours, or even buy additional battery therefore u get atleast 6 hours battery and they can charge overnight.
And I heard another drought, ohh sorry the country is in drought already so it must be famine, was in the horizon. Dare those people cutting trees plea for food coz there is no rain!
8~)
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From: Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] upcoming power rationing To: "Skunkworks forum" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 9:53 AM
why are you surprised by such happenings? I Nairobi it is unoficially easier to get petrol in some estates than water. In the same country, several rivers empty millions of litres of fresh water into salty and sewered ( a small problem according to some health official) oceans.
Before you comment on that, remember that Kisumu, right on the shows of the worlds second largest water lake, suffers from a persistent water shortage.
the problem here is not shortage of resources, but inability to maintain them.
no one was experiencing water or power rationing when we were on a forest burning spree earlier in the year.
Remember that NTV advert of soil in your drinking water glass?apparently it wasn't and advertising con.
2009/7/14 Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com>
Absolutely absurd in the day of nuclear power, solar power, wind power this government is still treating overtaxed Kenyans to nonsense like power rationing.
Vision 2030 indeed!
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Michael Omondi <michaelomondi@gmail.com> wrote:
It was in the news. From September KPLC will be rationing power due to low level of water at the 7 fox dams
From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of wesley kiriinya Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 8:08 AM To: Skunkworks forum Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] upcoming power rationing
What power rationing? 8~(
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Hi Guys,
The whole issue tickles down to the same thing, Our so called Leaders. I tell u guy Im a physisist by Training plus other friends I know of, we are full aware of this things as pple say "In the US/Europe" so the same goes for Kenya. Currently Efficient solar panels are being developed in the UoN (University of Nairobi), efficiency of solar panels is abt 10 %. Nuclear option is also possible from the same Physicists.
I tell you guys, It is a fact Engineers just implement hence thats why we implement so much of western Tech, physicists do the real stuff of analyzing and comin up with such things, It is also a fact that 1 Physicist can replace 1000 Engineers (A simple proof of this is in the commedy Big Bang Theory - hope u have all wathced the physisct called Sheldon).
If the Gvt would really listen and fund these projects we should be able to sort so many issues.
Cheerz Themburu
On 7/14/09, wesley kiriinya <kiriinya2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
LOL. True Dennis. @Rad! Vision 2030 in darkness in-deed. Well I guess the wise are preparing. Let me pour in some wisdom. Get laptops with battery of atleast 3 hours, or even buy additional battery therefore u get atleast 6 hours battery and they can charge overnight.
And I heard another drought, ohh sorry the country is in drought already so it must be famine, was in the horizon. Dare those people cutting trees plea for food coz there is no rain!
8~)
--- On Tue, 7/14/09, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] upcoming power rationing To: "Skunkworks forum" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 9:53 AM
why are you surprised by such happenings? I Nairobi it is unoficially easier to get petrol in some estates than water. In the same country, several rivers empty millions of litres of fresh water into salty and sewered ( a small problem according to some health official) oceans.
Before you comment on that, remember that Kisumu, right on the shows of the worlds second largest water lake, suffers from a persistent water shortage.
the problem here is not shortage of resources, but inability to maintain them.
no one was experiencing water or power rationing when we were on a forest burning spree earlier in the year.
Remember that NTV advert of soil in your drinking water glass?apparently it wasn't and advertising con.
2009/7/14 Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com>
Absolutely absurd in the day of nuclear power, solar power, wind power this government is still treating overtaxed Kenyans to nonsense like power rationing.
Vision 2030 indeed!
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wrote:
It was in the news. From September KPLC will be rationing power due to low level of water at the 7 fox dams
From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of wesley kiriinya Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 8:08 AM To: Skunkworks forum Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] upcoming power rationing
What power rationing? 8~(
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@Dennis : my view : Private sector is not the entire answer to any country's problems or issues. Private sector is all about performance and profits, there today gone tomorrow. The idea of any government privatizing services and sitting back to collect taxes through private companies will not result in real development. Privatization is a good step towards improvement on service delivery and done correctly achieve its results but as we know the likes of telcos who have proved well beyond any reasonable doubt that such would be expecting a miracle. As an example, R and D at UON should be govt funded and developed. The talent at UON cannot be nurtured at say " attachment basis at Ksh 15000/- per month " where the talent will undergo career change due to financial pressures but at a fully fledged centre within UON that provides facility, training and mentoring. It will be these individuals who after leaving the facility become the real progress towards visions. For a moment, let's get the private sector thinking out of the block and see what actually any govt should be delivering to its talents. Consider this angle and see where we stand. :-)
The biggest problem with .go.ke is reactionary management. Now. We are celebrating fibre landing. The first undersea cable was laid in 1858 (copper though) - linking US-UK, we are celebrating our first undersea cable in 2009. *REALLY???* Is it such a big achievement? When power rationing first started 10 years ago; what did government do, react. Not plan. Kipevu. Diesel. Most expensive method of generating electricity. Do not include the fact that .ke has coal, + several viable hydroelectric, geothermal and wind plants that have not been tapped. We can easliy be energy independent. What will happen? I will play the prophet, diesel generators, and in 2020, rationing, 2030, well perhaps this time, given that it's when we should be industrialized, the heavens will have opened up, we will have circuit frying brownouts instead of blackouts; progress. On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:28 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
@Dennis : my view : Private sector is not the entire answer to any country's problems or issues. Private sector is all about performance and profits, there today gone tomorrow. The idea of any government privatizing services and sitting back to collect taxes through private companies will not result in real development. Privatization is a good step towards improvement on service delivery and done correctly achieve its results but as we know the likes of telcos who have proved well beyond any reasonable doubt that such would be expecting a miracle.
As an example, R and D at UON should be govt funded and developed. The talent at UON cannot be nurtured at say " attachment basis at Ksh 15000/- per month " where the talent will undergo career change due to financial pressures but at a fully fledged centre within UON that provides facility, training and mentoring. It will be these individuals who after leaving the facility become the real progress towards visions.
For a moment, let's get the private sector thinking out of the block and see what actually any govt should be delivering to its talents. Consider this angle and see where we stand.
:-)
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While the private sector is not a final answer, they with the government's help could do a lot. As an example,( i might have broached this before) i know a certain engineering lady who for her final year wanted to build a co2 laser. This is laser has a lot of industrial applications, so what does our enlightened friends in the govt give her? 10k. That's not even enough to get a decent psu. Not to mention, she needed lenses off ebay. At the end of the day, she couldn't get it to work coz of lack of support. This is stupid since we now have a gifted graduate sitting at home, a company in industrial area buying a co2 laser or god forbid an arc welding solution from outside the country that will probably cost more than the kenyan solution. Best case scenario, goverment would have funded this project. Worst case scenario, am industrial area vc would have funded this project. Current status, We are <insert expletive> On 7/14/09, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
@Dennis : my view : Private sector is not the entire answer to any country's problems or issues. Private sector is all about performance and profits, there today gone tomorrow. The idea of any government privatizing services and sitting back to collect taxes through private companies will not result in real development. Privatization is a good step towards improvement on service delivery and done correctly achieve its results but as we know the likes of telcos who have proved well beyond any reasonable doubt that such would be expecting a miracle.
As an example, R and D at UON should be govt funded and developed. The talent at UON cannot be nurtured at say " attachment basis at Ksh 15000/- per month " where the talent will undergo career change due to financial pressures but at a fully fledged centre within UON that provides facility, training and mentoring. It will be these individuals who after leaving the facility become the real progress towards visions.
For a moment, let's get the private sector thinking out of the block and see what actually any govt should be delivering to its talents. Consider this angle and see where we stand.
:-)
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I dont know how this would stand but can We as a group come up with a working plan, get a Solar Solution implemented and then Bill the Gov't? There has to be a clause with our current legislation that states that work done on behalf of a non performing Gov't / the Gov't acted upon by the citizens can be billed to the government. if there is a way, i for one would like to get this done. On Jul 14, 2009, at 1:30 PM, Lmwangi wrote:
While the private sector is not a final answer, they with the government's help could do a lot. As an example,( i might have broached this before) i know a certain engineering lady who for her final year wanted to build a co2 laser. This is laser has a lot of industrial applications, so what does our enlightened friends in the govt give her? 10k. That's not even enough to get a decent psu. Not to mention, she needed lenses off ebay. At the end of the day, she couldn't get it to work coz of lack of support. This is stupid since we now have a gifted graduate sitting at home, a company in industrial area buying a co2 laser or god forbid an arc welding solution from outside the country that will probably cost more than the kenyan solution. Best case scenario, goverment would have funded this project. Worst case scenario, am industrial area vc would have funded this project. Current status, We are <insert expletive>
On 7/14/09, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
@Dennis : my view : Private sector is not the entire answer to any country's problems or issues. Private sector is all about performance and profits, there today gone tomorrow. The idea of any government privatizing services and sitting back to collect taxes through private companies will not result in real development. Privatization is a good step towards improvement on service delivery and done correctly achieve its results but as we know the likes of telcos who have proved well beyond any reasonable doubt that such would be expecting a miracle.
As an example, R and D at UON should be govt funded and developed. The talent at UON cannot be nurtured at say " attachment basis at Ksh 15000/- per month " where the talent will undergo career change due to financial pressures but at a fully fledged centre within UON that provides facility, training and mentoring. It will be these individuals who after leaving the facility become the real progress towards visions.
For a moment, let's get the private sector thinking out of the block and see what actually any govt should be delivering to its talents. Consider this angle and see where we stand.
:-)
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@laban :-) Her best hope to progress was govt and her talent was a huge asset to development of such technologies. Why would any govt not have a facility for such bright minds? Somehow NASA comes to mind. - Funds continued use of the International Space Station to support the agency and other federal, commercial, and academic research and technology testing needs. - Funds aeronautics research to address aviation safety, air traffic control, noise and emissions reduction, and fuel efficiency. Strong possibilty that private sector may not have RnD depts nor budgets unless project is of sound financial prospects. Usually private sector knows one thing : build it and we will see how it works. ( eg missile technology companies... ) At the same time, govts passing the buck over to someone to fix what they should be doing in the first place is also what all the issues are about. So NASA in kenya would be run by what private sector Limited Company? ;-)
What we mean: Google funds research; Microsoft funds researech; etc In Kenya, company x is busy looking for foreign graduates and telling us how it does not employ stone throwing graduates from local universities. mind you some people used to go to community colleges abroad when they couldnt make the high university admission cut offs. (Right now we have the parallel system ). again, our lecturers are best known for their political prowess, except for the few who appear on news now and then for their work. 2009/7/14 aki <aki275@googlemail.com>
@laban :-)
Her best hope to progress was govt and her talent was a huge asset to development of such technologies. Why would any govt not have a facility for such bright minds? Somehow NASA comes to mind.
- Funds continued use of the International Space Station to support the agency and other federal, commercial, and academic research and technology testing needs.
- Funds aeronautics research to address aviation safety, air traffic control, noise and emissions reduction, and fuel efficiency.
Strong possibilty that private sector may not have RnD depts nor budgets unless project is of sound financial prospects. Usually private sector knows one thing : build it and we will see how it works. ( eg missile technology companies... ) At the same time, govts passing the buck over to someone to fix what they should be doing in the first place is also what all the issues are about.
So NASA in kenya would be run by what private sector Limited Company? ;-)
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@Dennis, I wish you could for a moment think outside the box. But even Einstein had problems with this. :-) Then who is google or M$ is of no concern but rather value added to economy. my few short words.
I didnt get that one aki. expound on it. 2009/7/14 aki <aki275@googlemail.com>
@Dennis, I wish you could for a moment think outside the box. But even Einstein had problems with this. :-) Then who is google or M$ is of no concern but rather value added to economy. my few short words.
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Hi Dennis, I think we will give this thread a rest, else others may find it too spammy. my silly thots, no one should take this seriously, its just an opinion. What I meant to think out of the box, you need to look deeper into *patterns* of eg corruption, you come to realize the complex algorithms in it, to the point that not even foreign govts could get far. Why? imo, seemingly there has always been a virus/trojan running things parallel to existing OS who cannot let things progress as it protects its interests via many ways. Possibly a set of hash characters that lives in the shadows or a class called " Super Elite". each country has its own, including sicily. Eg, simply take the money trail of mobitelea and see how intricate and complex it is. 99% of us and plenty of our leaders cannot think to that level. Or in January 2008, while there were all problems happening, the NSE stock was gaining ground and "people" were buying stocks. If you think our problems are tribal based, then this is what was created so that lower down the chain, it appears so. I'll leave it there. We have been made to think in a certain way and until we get out of it and determine factors and solutions, everything will repeat over again. Call it aki the mad man theory but give it a thot. :-) On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
I didnt get that one aki. expound on it.
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:28 PM, aki<aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
@Dennis : my view : Private sector is not the entire answer to any country's problems or issues. Private sector is all about performance and profits, there today gone tomorrow. The idea of any government privatizing services and sitting back to collect taxes through private companies will not result in real development. Privatization is a good step towards improvement on service delivery and done correctly achieve its results but as we know the likes of telcos who have proved well beyond any reasonable doubt that such would be expecting a miracle.
We accept that our real problem is our so-called 'leaders' are hell bent to corrupt everything. Great Western concepts accepted out there but once they get to our borders, its their corrupted variants that get implemented - even local 'Corporate Social Responsibility' is not what it is out there. In reference to the above "PPP" has become private takeover and conversion of public assets into a few private hands - guised a partnership. We need to be very watchful of deepened 'private sector partnership' with government. Start my asking about existing governance in those private institutions and the effects of their marriage with governance in the public sector.... regards, Alex
@Michael, thnks for sharing the power rationing tip. :-)
my general terrible opinion, pls feel free to correct : living/business costs to go up and private power producers to make a killing on power generation. Why do we have PPG companies in the first place? This power rationing thing is a white wash ( drought was forecast almost 3 years ago ), using low water levels as an excuse to inject short term solutions and create "business oppurtunities for diesel plants, diesel fuel supplies, transport, power generation, temporary imports waivers.... " and all this is going to happen at whose expense? A carry forward of generations of a thinking process. Maybe ICT, scripting too boring....we need to get our hands on a 24 piston ( ship engine ) power plant diesel engine capable of 50 MWatt, bury copper around it and sell power much much cheaper. Solutions are many, but why will those who are responsible for future development not do the right thing. Para 1 above........ :-)
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