Fellow skunks, How is planning done in this country, does this mean that the engineers affected by this (http://bit.ly/h6PNft) are not engineers anymore? Very sad! Kyalo
i saw this, and thanked God i did not finish my degree. On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Timothy Kyalo <this.gizmo@gmail.com> wrote:
Fellow skunks,
How is planning done in this country, does this mean that the engineers affected by this (http://bit.ly/h6PNft) are not engineers anymore?
Very sad!
Kyalo
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Well,I have been trying to complete my computer science degree and one of the universities listed above decided it was prudent enough to change grades I received in my 1st semester to an jut before graduation. This people lack professionalism, no debate. We just do the degrees for the papers as we wait to get jobs.
Milk and cows....what a sad family picture!
Yani this is just pathetic. How can the board say that now.All this time this courses have been taught?? Its the same way the city council will sell you land today and tell you its legit, then two years down the line the same guys tell you your on a road reserve. Am hurt by this personally. On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Haggai Nyang <haggai.nyang@gmail.com>wrote:
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Kenya simply does not have a system that can stand on its own we have systems that are people driven, when the seat holder moves on we get a new system based on the current seat holder. I really wonder where we are headed. Parents can only afford education these days, land is too expensive [all pun intended]. Damn!!
Interesting READ - According to Engineers Registration Act Cap 530 only registered engineers that are authorised to practice and offer engineering professional services in the country. As ERB has pointed out, it is apparent that most universities in the country are pursuing the path to make technician courses to be degree programmes. But it is necessary to draw a bold line to establish the difference between technicians and engineers.'' No wonder there are so many ''UNIVERSITIES''........... On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Nd'wex Common <flexycat@gmail.com> wrote:
Kenya simply does not have a system that can stand on its own we have systems that are people driven, when the seat holder moves on we get a new system based on the current seat holder. I really wonder where we are headed. Parents can only afford education these days, land is too expensive [all pun intended]. Damn!! _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
I have no words to describe the (insert word here) the government displays with such a move 1. Most universities listed are public universities 2. The reasons listed are fairly easy to resolve- Curriculum problem (update!) lack of lecturers (recruit! with what people are paying for private tuition I believe they can even afford expartriate lecturers, all universities worldwide do it) So why would a government shoot itself in the foot rejecting these courses on the basis of the points above? Or is it the two governments syndrome that we are facing? And what are they saying about the people who have studied these courses? I see no recommendations on the way forward. On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:33 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>wrote:
Interesting READ - According to Engineers Registration Act Cap 530 only registered engineers that are authorised to practice and offer engineering professional services in the country.
As ERB has pointed out, it is apparent that most universities in the country are pursuing the path to make technician courses to be degree programmes. But it is necessary to draw a bold line to establish the difference between technicians and engineers.''
No wonder there are so many ''UNIVERSITIES''...........
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Nd'wex Common <flexycat@gmail.com> wrote:
Kenya simply does not have a system that can stand on its own we have systems that are people driven, when the seat holder moves on we get a new system based on the current seat holder. I really wonder where we are headed. Parents can only afford education these days, land is too expensive [all pun intended]. Damn!! _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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They can become coders/programmers. We don't discriminate & we don't need to be registered by anybody. Like my friend here below who was a Sanitation Engineer. http://www.w3.org/People/Eric/ -- Regards http://www.software.co.ke ------------------------------------------------------------------ "the lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne." Chaucer On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
I have no words to describe the (insert word here) the government displays with such a move
1. Most universities listed are public universities 2. The reasons listed are fairly easy to resolve- Curriculum problem (update!) lack of lecturers (recruit! with what people are paying for private tuition I believe they can even afford expartriate lecturers, all universities worldwide do it)
So why would a government shoot itself in the foot rejecting these courses on the basis of the points above? Or is it the two governments syndrome that we are facing? And what are they saying about the people who have studied these courses? I see no recommendations on the way forward.
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:33 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>wrote:
Interesting READ - According to Engineers Registration Act Cap 530 only registered engineers that are authorised to practice and offer engineering professional services in the country.
As ERB has pointed out, it is apparent that most universities in the country are pursuing the path to make technician courses to be degree programmes. But it is necessary to draw a bold line to establish the difference between technicians and engineers.''
No wonder there are so many ''UNIVERSITIES''...........
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Nd'wex Common <flexycat@gmail.com> wrote:
Kenya simply does not have a system that can stand on its own we have systems that are people driven, when the seat holder moves on we get a new system based on the current seat holder. I really wonder where we are headed. Parents can only afford education these days, land is too expensive [all pun intended]. Damn!! _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:03, Peter Muchemi <pmuchemi@gmail.com> wrote:
They can become coders/programmers. We don't discriminate & we don't need to be registered by anybody.
Like my friend here below who was a Sanitation Engineer.
Muchemi, You miss the point here. The issue is what happens to the folk who already completed these rejected degrees? Is their degree cert now a useless piece of paper or is it still valid? That's the one issue. Second issue is why this was allowed to happen in the first place. I think it's the greed for money. The people responsible must be made to own up to this scam!! -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!!
I can't believe this, but then again, why am I ever shocked when I see such strange incompetence in our country? I wish we would all just aim for excellence and not just sit around doing nothing as shown by the ERB, who never bothered to review the courses and the lecturers like, I don't know, DECADES AGO? Is corruption so rampant that university boards just hire anyone to teach such crucial courses? I thought a lecturer has to at least have a Masters degree in the course he is taking to even be considered as a lecturer. This is just a portrayal of how corrupt and complacent our country is. Yes, all of us! My heart goes out to these poor guys who did these courses, and especially those who are still doing them. So what now? should they switch courses midway? Do they have to start from scratch? Where is the money? Or has ERB planted a gigantic money tree in their backyard? Or should I blame the Government? Who is to blame? This is so sad
Odhi, These degree certs are not useless, unless they themselves are *useless* & they need to be employed to make use of them. They can start plying their craft. If they are serious, they will go very far. Customers will not demand to see their certs for them to buy their services. They will just remand a good referral.So they can only let themselves down. As an aside. The local education system is not meant to empower. It is more to enslave. And a gross waste of time. How many of us are making a living out of what we spent over 20 years learning. Remember the hassles of coming up with desks, knitting for Art,Craft & Music. A local university graduate is worse prepared for life than a std 8 graduate who goes directly to the informal sector. For those my age, they can reflect on the "Mashetani" course book. Why was Binadamu falling from the tree, when he tried to jump on it like the "Shetani". On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:03, Peter Muchemi <pmuchemi@gmail.com> wrote:
They can become coders/programmers. We don't discriminate & we don't need to be registered by anybody.
Like my friend here below who was a Sanitation Engineer.
Muchemi,
You miss the point here.
The issue is what happens to the folk who already completed these rejected degrees? Is their degree cert now a useless piece of paper or is it still valid? That's the one issue. Second issue is why this was allowed to happen in the first place. I think it's the greed for money. The people responsible must be made to own up to this scam!!
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!!
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*These degree certs are not useless, unless they themselves are useless & they need to be employed to make use of them. They can start plying their craft. If they are serious, they will go very far. Customers will not demand to see their certs for them to buy their services. They will just remand a good referral.So they can only let themselves down.*
Echo that. ERB has had those claims ever since 2002, only a year after the Bachelor of Science in Electronic and Computer Engineering curiculum was introduced in JKUAT. I've got plenty of folks who took that course, and are now competently serving humanity. (Quite a number are on this list too). As we speak, I have a nephew who just completed his high school education. Guess what he's planning to take at the University? That same course; all the hullabaloo notwithstanding! Methinks that a bottleneck would only come about if you were to think "Tenders" or "Public positions" in which ERB have a say. Nevertheless, those concerns have weight.
does that mean those with certificates for the blacklisted courses will be revoked?...no...i believe they should be judged by their competence....in any case, i echo Dennis' comment...degree for papers - On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
I have no words to describe the (insert word here) the government displays with such a move
1. Most universities listed are public universities 2. The reasons listed are fairly easy to resolve- Curriculum problem (update!) lack of lecturers (recruit! with what people are paying for private tuition I believe they can even afford expartriate lecturers, all universities worldwide do it)
So why would a government shoot itself in the foot rejecting these courses on the basis of the points above? Or is it the two governments syndrome that we are facing? And what are they saying about the people who have studied these courses? I see no recommendations on the way forward.
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:33 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>wrote:
Interesting READ - According to Engineers Registration Act Cap 530 only registered engineers that are authorised to practice and offer engineering professional services in the country.
As ERB has pointed out, it is apparent that most universities in the country are pursuing the path to make technician courses to be degree programmes. But it is necessary to draw a bold line to establish the difference between technicians and engineers.''
No wonder there are so many ''UNIVERSITIES''...........
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Nd'wex Common <flexycat@gmail.com> wrote:
Kenya simply does not have a system that can stand on its own we have systems that are people driven, when the seat holder moves on we get a new system based on the current seat holder. I really wonder where we are headed. Parents can only afford education these days, land is too expensive [all pun intended]. Damn!! _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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There are guys we were with at Egerton who took the Water Engineering degree ( one of the 47) and I have been wondering - since we cleared college 6 or more years ago these engineers have not been give clearance from ERB? God help the 5 grueling years they had to undergo! On 3/16/11, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting READ - According to Engineers Registration Act Cap 530 only registered engineers that are authorised to practice and offer engineering professional services in the country.
As ERB has pointed out, it is apparent that most universities in the country are pursuing the path to make technician courses to be degree programmes. But it is necessary to draw a bold line to establish the difference between technicians and engineers.''
No wonder there are so many ''UNIVERSITIES''...........
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Nd'wex Common <flexycat@gmail.com> wrote:
Kenya simply does not have a system that can stand on its own we have systems that are people driven, when the seat holder moves on we get a new system based on the current seat holder. I really wonder where we are headed. Parents can only afford education these days, land is too expensive [all pun intended]. Damn!! _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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