OT - Why are we killing Kenya in the name of bashing & blaming each other
Hey skunks Just noted there is a lot of bashing all over the country .ke blaming the fault on others in-comptence. For instance, techies here bash/blame (MNO's) Safaricom, YU, Airtel etc for their services and in-competence of systems, the same guys, citizens plus MNO guys blame & bash City councils on incompetence and service levels, we all go ahead blame KPLC for the same incompetence and services levels, among those doing the bashing are our own Police service who we again blame and bash for incompetence, then it shifts to blaming constructors for roads and buildings etc, just but to mention the circle. The road accidents are on the rise, then we start blaming matatu and PSV vehicle drivers who again blame 'watu wa personal' then probox drivers! I mean aren't we the same people in these different organisation or case and does it show we are just an incompetent country and lay the blame on others. Me thots thats been back on my mind and not making me watch news! -- Conservatism is the adherence to the old tried against the new untried.
Yes, we are an incompetent country. There is a reason we are 'third world.' The KPLCs, Safaricoms, City Councils, Probox Drivers and 'Watu wa Personals' of this country are just a manifestation of this syndrome.
I totally concur. Incompetence and blame game have permeated every sector of our lives. Case in point, yesterday in one of the local tv channels, featured narok county council, which happens to be one of the richest in the country, yet has only one stadium, which is super dilapidated, reason? The council has no money :-) On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 8:49 AM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, we are an incompetent country. There is a reason we are 'third world.' The KPLCs, Safaricoms, City Councils, Probox Drivers and 'Watu wa Personals' of this country are just a manifestation of this syndrome.
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On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 20:53, TheMburu George <themburu@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey skunks
Just noted there is a lot of bashing all over the country .ke blaming the fault on others in-comptence.
For instance, techies here bash/blame (MNO's) Safaricom, YU, Airtel etc for their services and in-competence of systems, the same guys, citizens plus MNO guys blame & bash City councils on incompetence and service levels, we all go ahead blame KPLC for the same incompetence and services levels, among those doing the bashing are our own Police service who we again blame and bash for incompetence, then it shifts to blaming constructors for roads and buildings etc, just but to mention the circle. The road accidents are on the rise, then we start blaming matatu and PSV vehicle drivers who again blame 'watu wa personal' then probox drivers!
I mean aren't we the same people in these different organisation or case and does it show we are just an incompetent country and lay the blame on others.
Me thots thats been back on my mind and not making me watch news!
Do you know of any society devoid of complaints? Even in the most efficient of systems, complaints still abound. Personally, I don't see where you are coming from, but I do know a complaint is a way of saying, this is not coming out as expected. It is a form of feedback, which calls for the entities responsible to take some form of action, put in place certain mechanisms to help address the anomalies, real or perceived. I don't see why you are complaining that everyone is complaining:-) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email.
@Washingtom, The point that point being put across is that everybody is complaining and not doing what they are supposed to do. Instead of each one of us playing their part, we pass the blame. What i disagree with is that as a country we are incompetent. Kenya has very competent citizens. It is just that a culture has developed where we do as little as possible and pass the blame. Regards Shad ________________________________ From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] OT - Why are we killing Kenya in the name of bashing & blaming each other On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 20:53, TheMburu George <themburu@gmail.com> wrote: Hey skunks
Just noted there is a lot of bashing all over the country .ke blaming the fault on others in-comptence.
For instance, techies here bash/blame (MNO's) Safaricom, YU, Airtel etc for their services and in-competence of systems, the same guys, citizens plus MNO guys blame & bash City councils on incompetence and service levels, we all go ahead blame KPLC for the same incompetence and services levels, among those doing the bashing are our own Police service who we again blame and bash for incompetence, then it shifts to blaming constructors for roads and buildings etc, just but to mention the circle. The road accidents are on the rise, then we start blaming matatu and PSV vehicle drivers who again blame 'watu wa personal' then probox drivers!
I mean aren't we the same people in these different organisation or case and does it show we are just an incompetent country and lay the blame on others.
Me thots thats been back on my mind and not making me watch news!
Do you know of any society devoid of complaints? Even in the most efficient of systems, complaints still abound. Personally, I don't see where you are coming from, but I do know a complaint is a way of saying, this is not coming out as expected. It is a form of feedback, which calls for the entities responsible to take some form of action, put in place certain mechanisms to help address the anomalies, real or perceived. I don't see why you are complaining that everyone is complaining:-) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://orion.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:00, Shadrack Mwaniki <shadrack_mwaniki@yahoo.com>wrote:
@Washingtom, The point that point being put across is that everybody is complaining and not doing what they are supposed to do. Instead of each one of us playing their part, we pass the blame.
How are we passing blame? For instance, if you have a problem with a telco and you don't work for a telco, how do you go about addressing your problem? By going to work for the Telco? No one would complain about something they can address themselves. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email.
Complaining is for all(worldwide) not only in KE, example is our immediate neighbours, those guys complain big time, so are Americans, Britons, Japanese etc etc, next time have your facts right before you shoot! On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:00, Shadrack Mwaniki < shadrack_mwaniki@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Washingtom, The point that point being put across is that everybody is complaining and not doing what they are supposed to do. Instead of each one of us playing their part, we pass the blame.
How are we passing blame? For instance, if you have a problem with a telco and you don't work for a telco, how do you go about addressing your problem? By going to work for the Telco? No one would complain about something they can address themselves.
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email.
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First Politicians are intentionally left out for political reasons. Look at this way Wash, what if we stop seeing the guns we are pointing to others and look at those being pointed on us. I mean @wash the Police are our our fathers or even some of us but we are busy blaming them and vice versa they are busy for instance blaming KPLC, what good is it doing? If you watched the movie called No man's land you would see the blame was falling on the one the gun is pointing. Also in your words the no one is giving the expected " but I do know a complaint is a way of saying, this is not coming out as expected." ./TheMburu On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:20 AM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
Complaining is for all(worldwide) not only in KE, example is our immediate neighbours, those guys complain big time, so are Americans, Britons, Japanese etc etc, next time have your facts right before you shoot!
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:00, Shadrack Mwaniki < shadrack_mwaniki@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Washingtom, The point that point being put across is that everybody is complaining and not doing what they are supposed to do. Instead of each one of us playing their part, we pass the blame.
How are we passing blame? For instance, if you have a problem with a telco and you don't work for a telco, how do you go about addressing your problem? By going to work for the Telco? No one would complain about something they can address themselves.
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email.
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@themburu I believe complaining is a way of giving feedback. It is therefore upon the people causing the complaints to pick up the issues and make a change or make way for someone who can do better. The only way someone sober is gonna improve themselves, is by improving on their shortcomings but sometimes one can not see his her own shortcomings so people have to point it out. For instance with all the complaints i see about KPLC am sure someone somewhere in KPLC mangement is getting sleepless nights or giving someone else sleepless nights trying to find out where the problem is and remedy it. Without the complaints it would be business as usual for them. On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:25 AM, TheMburu George <themburu@gmail.com>wrote:
First Politicians are intentionally left out for political reasons.
Look at this way Wash, what if we stop seeing the guns we are pointing to others and look at those being pointed on us. I mean @wash the Police are our our fathers or even some of us but we are busy blaming them and vice versa they are busy for instance blaming KPLC, what good is it doing? If you watched the movie called No man's land you would see the blame was falling on the one the gun is pointing.
Also in your words the no one is giving the expected " but I do know a complaint is a way of saying, this is not coming out as expected."
./TheMburu
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:20 AM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
Complaining is for all(worldwide) not only in KE, example is our immediate neighbours, those guys complain big time, so are Americans, Britons, Japanese etc etc, next time have your facts right before you shoot!
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com
wrote:
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:00, Shadrack Mwaniki < shadrack_mwaniki@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Washingtom, The point that point being put across is that everybody is complaining and not doing what they are supposed to do. Instead of each one of us playing their part, we pass the blame.
How are we passing blame? For instance, if you have a problem with a telco and you don't work for a telco, how do you go about addressing your problem? By going to work for the Telco? No one would complain about something they can address themselves.
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email.
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I have absolutely no issue with complaining and people giving feedback - this is the only way to do it all world over. Our issue that separates us from most nations is implementation. We have the best strategies and get the best feedback, but putting in action, aaah aah! ./Ok3ch On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Jimmy Thuo <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com> wrote:
@themburu I believe complaining is a way of giving feedback. It is therefore upon the people causing the complaints to pick up the issues and make a change or make way for someone who can do better. The only way someone sober is gonna improve themselves, is by improving on their shortcomings but sometimes one can not see his her own shortcomings so people have to point it out. For instance with all the complaints i see about KPLC am sure someone somewhere in KPLC mangement is getting sleepless nights or giving someone else sleepless nights trying to find out where the problem is and remedy it. Without the complaints it would be business as usual for them.
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:25 AM, TheMburu George <themburu@gmail.com>wrote:
First Politicians are intentionally left out for political reasons.
Look at this way Wash, what if we stop seeing the guns we are pointing to others and look at those being pointed on us. I mean @wash the Police are our our fathers or even some of us but we are busy blaming them and vice versa they are busy for instance blaming KPLC, what good is it doing? If you watched the movie called No man's land you would see the blame was falling on the one the gun is pointing.
Also in your words the no one is giving the expected " but I do know a complaint is a way of saying, this is not coming out as expected."
./TheMburu
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:20 AM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
Complaining is for all(worldwide) not only in KE, example is our immediate neighbours, those guys complain big time, so are Americans, Britons, Japanese etc etc, next time have your facts right before you shoot!
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:00, Shadrack Mwaniki < shadrack_mwaniki@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Washingtom, The point that point being put across is that everybody is complaining and not doing what they are supposed to do. Instead of each one of us playing their part, we pass the blame.
How are we passing blame? For instance, if you have a problem with a telco and you don't work for a telco, how do you go about addressing your problem? By going to work for the Telco? No one would complain about something they can address themselves.
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email.
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Ok guys Im not against complaining but the approach which is blaming and bashing other guys in other sectors don't confuse that i.e. how good is a police man or city council guy bashing the KPLC?? My point is can we all first improve our individual areas!! ./TheMburu On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
I have absolutely no issue with complaining and people giving feedback - this is the only way to do it all world over. Our issue that separates us from most nations is implementation. We have the best strategies and get the best feedback, but putting in action, aaah aah!
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Jimmy Thuo <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com> wrote:
@themburu I believe complaining is a way of giving feedback. It is therefore upon the people causing the complaints to pick up the issues and make a change or make way for someone who can do better. The only way someone sober is gonna improve themselves, is by improving on their shortcomings but sometimes one can not see his her own shortcomings so people have to point it out. For instance with all the complaints i see about KPLC am sure someone somewhere in KPLC mangement is getting sleepless nights or giving someone else sleepless nights trying to find out where the problem is and remedy it. Without the complaints it would be business as usual for them.
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:25 AM, TheMburu George <themburu@gmail.com>wrote:
First Politicians are intentionally left out for political reasons.
Look at this way Wash, what if we stop seeing the guns we are pointing to others and look at those being pointed on us. I mean @wash the Police are our our fathers or even some of us but we are busy blaming them and vice versa they are busy for instance blaming KPLC, what good is it doing? If you watched the movie called No man's land you would see the blame was falling on the one the gun is pointing.
Also in your words the no one is giving the expected " but I do know a complaint is a way of saying, this is not coming out as expected."
./TheMburu
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:20 AM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
Complaining is for all(worldwide) not only in KE, example is our immediate neighbours, those guys complain big time, so are Americans, Britons, Japanese etc etc, next time have your facts right before you shoot!
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:00, Shadrack Mwaniki < shadrack_mwaniki@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Washingtom, The point that point being put across is that everybody is complaining and not doing what they are supposed to do. Instead of each one of us playing their part, we pass the blame.
How are we passing blame? For instance, if you have a problem with a telco and you don't work for a telco, how do you go about addressing your problem? By going to work for the Telco? No one would complain about something they can address themselves.
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email.
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@TheMburu, Could you please be specific with the incidents you are referring to? On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:51, TheMburu George <themburu@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok guys
Im not against complaining but the approach which is blaming and bashing other guys in other sectors don't confuse that i.e. how good is a police man or city council guy bashing the KPLC?? My point is can we all first improve our individual areas!!
./TheMburu
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
I have absolutely no issue with complaining and people giving feedback - this is the only way to do it all world over. Our issue that separates us from most nations is implementation. We have the best strategies and get the best feedback, but putting in action, aaah aah!
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Jimmy Thuo <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com>wrote:
@themburu I believe complaining is a way of giving feedback. It is therefore upon the people causing the complaints to pick up the issues and make a change or make way for someone who can do better. The only way someone sober is gonna improve themselves, is by improving on their shortcomings but sometimes one can not see his her own shortcomings so people have to point it out. For instance with all the complaints i see about KPLC am sure someone somewhere in KPLC mangement is getting sleepless nights or giving someone else sleepless nights trying to find out where the problem is and remedy it. Without the complaints it would be business as usual for them.
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:25 AM, TheMburu George <themburu@gmail.com>wrote:
First Politicians are intentionally left out for political reasons.
Look at this way Wash, what if we stop seeing the guns we are pointing to others and look at those being pointed on us. I mean @wash the Police are our our fathers or even some of us but we are busy blaming them and vice versa they are busy for instance blaming KPLC, what good is it doing? If you watched the movie called No man's land you would see the blame was falling on the one the gun is pointing.
Also in your words the no one is giving the expected " but I do know a complaint is a way of saying, this is not coming out as expected."
./TheMburu
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:20 AM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
Complaining is for all(worldwide) not only in KE, example is our immediate neighbours, those guys complain big time, so are Americans, Britons, Japanese etc etc, next time have your facts right before you shoot!
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:00, Shadrack Mwaniki < shadrack_mwaniki@yahoo.com> wrote:
> @Washingtom, > The point that point being put across is that everybody is > complaining and not doing what they are supposed to do. > Instead of each one of us playing their part, we pass the blame. >
How are we passing blame? For instance, if you have a problem with a telco and you don't work for a telco, how do you go about addressing your problem? By going to work for the Telco? No one would complain about something they can address themselves.
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email.
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I agree with you. For instance, most of us complain about traffic police while we are the first to break traffic rules, overlapping, overspeeding etc. We only complain about what we are not responsible for. On 04/24/2012 10:51 AM, TheMburu George wrote:
Ok guys
Im not against complaining but the approach which is blaming and bashing other guys in other sectors don't confuse that i.e. how good is a police man or city council guy bashing the KPLC?? My point is can we all first improve our individual areas!!
./TheMburu
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com <mailto:okechukwu@gmail.com>> wrote:
I have absolutely no issue with complaining and people giving feedback - this is the only way to do it all world over. Our issue that separates us from most nations is implementation. We have the best strategies and get the best feedback, but putting in action, aaah aah!
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Jimmy Thuo <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com <mailto:jimmy.thuo@gmail.com>> wrote:
@themburu I believe complaining is a way of giving feedback. It is therefore upon the people causing the complaints to pick up the issues and make a change or make way for someone who can do better. The only way someone sober is gonna improve themselves, is by improving on their shortcomings but sometimes one can not see his her own shortcomings so people have to point it out. For instance with all the complaints i see about KPLC am sure someone somewhere in KPLC mangement is getting sleepless nights or giving someone else sleepless nights trying to find out where the problem is and remedy it. Without the complaints it would be business as usual for them.
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:25 AM, TheMburu George <themburu@gmail.com <mailto:themburu@gmail.com>> wrote:
First Politicians are intentionally left out for political reasons.
Look at this way Wash, what if we stop seeing the guns we are pointing to others and look at those being pointed on us. I mean @wash the Police are our our fathers or even some of us but we are busy blaming them and vice versa they are busy for instance blaming KPLC, what good is it doing? If you watched the movie called No man's land you would see the blame was falling on the one the gun is pointing.
Also in your words the no one is giving the expected " but I do know a complaint is a way of saying, this is not coming out as expected."
./TheMburu
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:20 AM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com <mailto:dmaishe@gmail.com>> wrote:
Complaining is for all(worldwide) not only in KE, example is our immediate neighbours, those guys complain big time, so are Americans, Britons, Japanese etc etc, next time have your facts right before you shoot!
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com <mailto:odhiambo@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:00, Shadrack Mwaniki <shadrack_mwaniki@yahoo.com <mailto:shadrack_mwaniki@yahoo.com>> wrote:
@Washingtom, The point that point being put across is that everybody is complaining and not doing what they are supposed to do. Instead of each one of us playing their part, we pass the blame.
How are we passing blame? For instance, if you have a problem with a telco and you don't work for a telco, how do you go about addressing your problem? By going to work for the Telco? No one would complain about something they can address themselves.
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@Shadrack you do not have to be patriotic to the bone. Fact! Kenya is full of incompetent people, more than you know. It may have competent citizens yes! but that's a small fraction. So what if other countries have incompetent people too, that is their problem. Systemic problem with Public services, tribalism, unwarranted accidents etc are symptoms of how our society really is, so lets all stop living in denial. So @TheMburu it is necessary to bash for action to be taken otherwise if we all bury our heads in the soil then things become complacent. Point in case: We all cant work for KPLC but we from the outside can push for those on the inside to give us better services. Now the sad thing is I was in the village a couple of weeks ago and I raised the issue of inconsistent power and truly i discovered people today actually believe it is not possible to have stable power and to them KPLC is doing a stellar job seeing they now have lights for 4 days a week as opposed to previously when they had no power at all. So for the time I was there, If I did not call KPLC when there was a blackout no one will and that blackout will persist for days rather than an hour or two. The difference is the call I made to Bash KPLC which resulted in speedy restoration of power. My consistent calling actually pushed them to come replace an entire faulty transformer. So I left the village and now they have more stable power with a brand new transformer.... Thanks to Bashing ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Shadrack Mwaniki" <shadrack_mwaniki@yahoo.com> | To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> | Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 10:00:57 AM | Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] OT - Why are we killing Kenya in the name | of bashing & blaming each other | @Washingtom, | The point that point being put across is that everybody is | complaining and not doing what they are supposed to do. | Instead of each one of us playing their part, we pass the blame. | What i disagree with is that as a country we are incompetent. Kenya | has very competent citizens.. It is just that a | culture has developed where we do as little as possible and pass the | blame. | Regards | Shad | From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> | To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> | Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 9:47 AM | Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] OT - Why are we killing Kenya in the name | of bashing & blaming each other | On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 20:53, TheMburu George < themburu@gmail.com > | wrote: | | Hey skunks | | | Just noted there is a lot of bashing all over the country .ke | | blaming | | the fault on others in-comptence. | | | For instance, techies here bash/blame (MNO's) Safaricom, YU, Airtel | | etc for their services and in-competence of systems, the same guys, | | citizens plus MNO guys blame & bash City councils on incompetence | | and service levels, we all go ahead blame KPLC for the same | | incompetence and services levels, among those doing the bashing are | | our own Police service who we again blame and bash for | | incompetence, | | then it shifts to blaming constructors for roads and buildings etc, | | just but to mention the circle. The road accidents are on the rise, | | then we start blaming matatu and PSV vehicle drivers who again | | blame | | 'watu wa personal' then probox drivers! | | | I mean aren't we the same people in these different organisation or | | case and does it show we are just an incompetent country and lay | | the | | blame on others. | | | Me thots thats been back on my mind and not making me watch news! | | Do you know of any society devoid of complaints? Even in the most | efficient of systems, complaints still abound. | Personally, I don't see where you are coming from, but I do know a | complaint is a way of saying, this is not coming out as expected. It | is a form of feedback, which calls for the entities responsible to | take some form of action, put in place certain mechanisms to help | address the anomalies, real or perceived. | I don't see why you are complaining that everyone is complaining:-) | -- | Best regards, | Odhiambo WASHINGTON, | Nairobi,KE | +254733744121/+254722743223 | _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ | I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. | Please consider the environment before printing this email. | _______________________________________________ | Skunkworks mailing list | Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke | ------------ | List info, subscribe/unsubscribe | http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks | ------------ | Skunkworks Rules | http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 | ------------ | Other services @ http://my.co.ke | _______________________________________________ | Skunkworks mailing list | Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke | ------------ | List info, subscribe/unsubscribe | http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks | ------------ | Skunkworks Rules | http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 | ------------ | Other services @ http://my.co.ke
I agree with steve unless you really come out and demand for better services you are bound to remain with whatever poor services you get. Many Kenyans are competent enough to drive change and demand for good services however they are complacent or have a high tolerance threshold for suffering. E.g the other day Kimathi hse top floors burnt down coz the council fire engines are grounded. As kenyans shouldnt we demand the council to provide public services On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Steve Richard <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
@Shadrack you do not have to be patriotic to the bone. Fact! Kenya is full of incompetent people, more than you know. It may have competent citizens yes! but that's a small fraction. So what if other countries have incompetent people too, that is their problem.
Systemic problem with Public services, tribalism, unwarranted accidents etc are symptoms of how our society really is, so lets all stop living in denial.
So @TheMburu it is necessary to bash for action to be taken otherwise if we all bury our heads in the soil then things become complacent. Point in case:
We all cant work for KPLC but we from the outside can push for those on the inside to give us better services. Now the sad thing is I was in the village a couple of weeks ago and I raised the issue of inconsistent power and truly i discovered people today actually believe it is not possible to have stable power and to them KPLC is doing a stellar job seeing they now have lights for 4 days a week as opposed to previously when they had no power at all. So for the time I was there, If I did not call KPLC when there was a blackout no one will and that blackout will persist for days rather than an hour or two.
The difference is the call I made to Bash KPLC which resulted in speedy restoration of power. My consistent calling actually pushed them to come replace an entire faulty transformer. So I left the village and now they have more stable power with a brand new transformer.... Thanks to Bashing
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*From: *"Shadrack Mwaniki" <shadrack_mwaniki@yahoo.com>
*To: *"Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 24, 2012 10:00:57 AM
*Subject: *Re: [Skunkworks] OT - Why are we killing Kenya in the name of bashing & blaming each other
@Washingtom, The point that point being put across is that everybody is complaining and not doing what they are supposed to do. Instead of each one of us playing their part, we pass the blame.
What i disagree with is that as a country we are incompetent. Kenya has very competent citizens.. It is just that a culture has developed where we do as little as possible and pass the blame.
Regards Shad
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On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 20:53, TheMburu George <themburu@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey skunks
Just noted there is a lot of bashing all over the country .ke blaming the fault on others in-comptence.
For instance, techies here bash/blame (MNO's) Safaricom, YU, Airtel etc for their services and in-competence of systems, the same guys, citizens plus MNO guys blame & bash City councils on incompetence and service levels, we all go ahead blame KPLC for the same incompetence and services levels, among those doing the bashing are our own Police service who we again blame and bash for incompetence, then it shifts to blaming constructors for roads and buildings etc, just but to mention the circle. The road accidents are on the rise, then we start blaming matatu and PSV vehicle drivers who again blame 'watu wa personal' then probox drivers!
I mean aren't we the same people in these different organisation or case and does it show we are just an incompetent country and lay the blame on others.
Me thots thats been back on my mind and not making me watch news!
Do you know of any society devoid of complaints? Even in the most efficient of systems, complaints still abound.
Personally, I don't see where you are coming from, but I do know a complaint is a way of saying, this is not coming out as expected. It is a form of feedback, which calls for the entities responsible to take some form of action, put in place certain mechanisms to help address the anomalies, real or perceived.
I don't see why you are complaining that everyone is complaining:-)
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@themburu; You could have said Kenya is a failed state. When everyone rises against everyone, surely! From where do we start the solution? Its not politicians, business people stealing from us, its not us conning our children and spouses daily. Going home everyday, our traffic snakes on Jogoo rd like a large python (not our fellow skunk), slithering to the Eastlands. Now there are some green mathree's called Forward Travellers that will zoom on the opposite lat at some 140Km/h. Impunity. While all of us are on the snaking lane, someone is endangering the patrons. No one complains. Happy? Yes! Another day im in a "Double M", my neighbour lady is sipping yoghurt, she is done and asks please open the window for me, that I oblige. She attempts to throw the packet on the highway below to which I retort politely - "mami, sasa nani ataokota hii takataka unataka kutupa nje?", looking startled, she asks, "sasa nitupe wapi?" I answer, "tupa chini ya kiti, the bus will be swept, then washed in the evening, all the dirt in the bus will be taken to a rubbish bin. Here, the dirt is safe". She smiled and threw her garbage under her seat. The garbage is safe. See, we have failed in our small ways. Now we see the failure amplified in government and in our politics. We need to change. Here, and now, by complaining kabisa. Because we are a failed state when we watch failure and speak no more. My two cents worth. Peter On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Jimmy Thuo <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree with steve unless you really come out and demand for better services you are bound to remain with whatever poor services you get. Many Kenyans are competent enough to drive change and demand for good services however they are complacent or have a high tolerance threshold for suffering. E.g the other day Kimathi hse top floors burnt down coz the council fire engines are grounded. As kenyans shouldnt we demand the council to provide public services
Precisely my point, we are now getting used to bashing to get what we truly deserve, this if un-checked may end up like in india where rumour has it the one who hoots loudest has right of way in traffic, also imagine a case you have to bash the doctors to get attention. The propotion urgently needs attention and sensitization before it gets out of hand where it is now confrontational! Cheers ./TheMburu On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Peter Osotsi <peter.osotsi@gmail.com>wrote:
@themburu;
You could have said Kenya is a failed state. When everyone rises against everyone, surely! From where do we start the solution? Its not politicians, business people stealing from us, its not us conning our children and spouses daily.
Going home everyday, our traffic snakes on Jogoo rd like a large python (not our fellow skunk), slithering to the Eastlands. Now there are some green mathree's called Forward Travellers that will zoom on the opposite lat at some 140Km/h. Impunity. While all of us are on the snaking lane, someone is endangering the patrons. No one complains. Happy? Yes!
Another day im in a "Double M", my neighbour lady is sipping yoghurt, she is done and asks please open the window for me, that I oblige. She attempts to throw the packet on the highway below to which I retort politely - "mami, sasa nani ataokota hii takataka unataka kutupa nje?", looking startled, she asks, "sasa nitupe wapi?" I answer, "tupa chini ya kiti, the bus will be swept, then washed in the evening, all the dirt in the bus will be taken to a rubbish bin. Here, the dirt is safe". She smiled and threw her garbage under her seat. The garbage is safe.
See, we have failed in our small ways. Now we see the failure amplified in government and in our politics. We need to change. Here, and now, by complaining kabisa. Because we are a failed state when we watch failure and speak no more.
My two cents worth.
Peter
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Jimmy Thuo <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree with steve unless you really come out and demand for better services you are bound to remain with whatever poor services you get. Many Kenyans are competent enough to drive change and demand for good services however they are complacent or have a high tolerance threshold for suffering. E.g the other day Kimathi hse top floors burnt down coz the council fire engines are grounded. As kenyans shouldnt we demand the council to provide public services
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(sorry for top posting) I just had a conversation with a traffic cop at the Westlands roundabout, coming into town. I pointed out the fact that in the direction I was going, there's a slip road off the highway, just after The Mall, that matatus abuse instead of using a spacious bus stop that's provided. Now the pavement's almost gone. I also pointed out that in the opposite direction, an entire bus park was built a few years back, but the same matatus prefer to pick passengers on the highway, and on the right turn back onto Waiyaki way. The tailback these two issues cause just make the work of the cops at the roundabout harder, is there anything they could do about that? Response: We're too few. My answer to him got him thinking. I told him these guys are being disrespectful of him and his kirauni. Conversation went like this: me: hauoni hii ni madharau? hata hawana heshima kwako? Hawaoni kirauni? Yani hawakuogopi? him: kweli mzee. hawa vinyangarika wataniona leo. Off he went to solve the idiots at The Mall, and he sent one colleague to work on the guys on the opposite side. I think my contribution to Kenya today was to show him that there are law abiding citizens who value him and what he does, and we wonder why others don't. Regards, Steve On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 11:43 PM, TheMburu George <themburu@gmail.com> wrote:
Precisely my point, we are now getting used to bashing to get what we truly deserve, this if un-checked may end up like in india where rumour has it the one who hoots loudest has right of way in traffic, also imagine a case you have to bash the doctors to get attention. The propotion urgently needs attention and sensitization before it gets out of hand where it is now confrontational!
Cheers
./TheMburu
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Peter Osotsi <peter.osotsi@gmail.com> wrote:
@themburu;
You could have said Kenya is a failed state. When everyone rises against everyone, surely! From where do we start the solution? Its not politicians, business people stealing from us, its not us conning our children and spouses daily.
Going home everyday, our traffic snakes on Jogoo rd like a large python (not our fellow skunk), slithering to the Eastlands. Now there are some green mathree's called Forward Travellers that will zoom on the opposite lat at some 140Km/h. Impunity. While all of us are on the snaking lane, someone is endangering the patrons. No one complains. Happy? Yes!
Another day im in a "Double M", my neighbour lady is sipping yoghurt, she is done and asks please open the window for me, that I oblige. She attempts to throw the packet on the highway below to which I retort politely - "mami, sasa nani ataokota hii takataka unataka kutupa nje?", looking startled, she asks, "sasa nitupe wapi?" I answer, "tupa chini ya kiti, the bus will be swept, then washed in the evening, all the dirt in the bus will be taken to a rubbish bin. Here, the dirt is safe". She smiled and threw her garbage under her seat. The garbage is safe.
See, we have failed in our small ways. Now we see the failure amplified in government and in our politics. We need to change. Here, and now, by complaining kabisa. Because we are a failed state when we watch failure and speak no more.
My two cents worth.
Peter
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Jimmy Thuo <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree with steve unless you really come out and demand for better services you are bound to remain with whatever poor services you get. Many Kenyans are competent enough to drive change and demand for good services however they are complacent or have a high tolerance threshold for suffering. E.g the other day Kimathi hse top floors burnt down coz the council fire engines are grounded. As kenyans shouldnt we demand the council to provide public services
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That was well in Steve! I come from the direction where matatus are blocking the turn back before the roundabout and you find private cars now using the wrong turn just before the turn to head out in the opposite direction - shenzi type wote hao! ./Ok3ch On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
(sorry for top posting) I just had a conversation with a traffic cop at the Westlands roundabout, coming into town. I pointed out the fact that in the direction I was going, there's a slip road off the highway, just after The Mall, that matatus abuse instead of using a spacious bus stop that's provided. Now the pavement's almost gone. I also pointed out that in the opposite direction, an entire bus park was built a few years back, but the same matatus prefer to pick passengers on the highway, and on the right turn back onto Waiyaki way. The tailback these two issues cause just make the work of the cops at the roundabout harder, is there anything they could do about that?
Response: We're too few.
My answer to him got him thinking.
I told him these guys are being disrespectful of him and his kirauni. Conversation went like this: me: hauoni hii ni madharau? hata hawana heshima kwako? Hawaoni kirauni? Yani hawakuogopi? him: kweli mzee. hawa vinyangarika wataniona leo.
Off he went to solve the idiots at The Mall, and he sent one colleague to work on the guys on the opposite side. I think my contribution to Kenya today was to show him that there are law abiding citizens who value him and what he does, and we wonder why others don't.
Regards, Steve
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 11:43 PM, TheMburu George <themburu@gmail.com> wrote:
Precisely my point, we are now getting used to bashing to get what we truly deserve, this if un-checked may end up like in india where rumour has it the one who hoots loudest has right of way in traffic, also imagine a case you have to bash the doctors to get attention. The propotion urgently needs attention and sensitization before it gets out of hand where it is now confrontational!
Cheers
./TheMburu
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Peter Osotsi <peter.osotsi@gmail.com> wrote:
@themburu;
You could have said Kenya is a failed state. When everyone rises against everyone, surely! From where do we start the solution? Its not politicians, business people stealing from us, its not us conning our children and spouses daily.
Going home everyday, our traffic snakes on Jogoo rd like a large python (not our fellow skunk), slithering to the Eastlands. Now there are some green mathree's called Forward Travellers that will zoom on the opposite lat at some 140Km/h. Impunity. While all of us are on the snaking lane, someone is endangering the patrons. No one complains. Happy? Yes!
Another day im in a "Double M", my neighbour lady is sipping yoghurt, she is done and asks please open the window for me, that I oblige. She attempts to throw the packet on the highway below to which I retort politely - "mami, sasa nani ataokota hii takataka unataka kutupa nje?", looking startled, she asks, "sasa nitupe wapi?" I answer, "tupa chini ya kiti, the bus will be swept, then washed in the evening, all the dirt in the bus will be taken to a rubbish bin. Here, the dirt is safe". She smiled and threw her garbage under her seat. The garbage is safe.
See, we have failed in our small ways. Now we see the failure amplified in government and in our politics. We need to change. Here, and now, by complaining kabisa. Because we are a failed state when we watch failure and speak no more.
My two cents worth.
Peter
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Jimmy Thuo <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree with steve unless you really come out and demand for better services you are bound to remain with whatever poor services you get. Many Kenyans are competent enough to drive change and demand for good services however they are complacent or have a high tolerance threshold for suffering. E.g the other day Kimathi hse top floors burnt down coz the council fire engines are grounded. As kenyans shouldnt we demand the council to provide public services
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I totally agree with @TheMburu. The problem is with all of us. His point is that if the police are corrupt, its us who participate in that corruption, and two, they are Kenyans first before they become policemen. If our institutions are inept, they are surely run by Kenyans, not Ugandans! What he means is that we should all get our act together and stop pointing fingers. If we want to be a developed Economy/society, the first step is to start thinking like a civilized lot, all of us. Just take a minute and think about the times you have thrown litter out a moving vehicle, or jumped lights, or bribed a cop, or voted the wrong person into office because he/she is from your village, or... the list is endless. Its about us, all of us! You are the change you expect to see in the world. Evans On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
That was well in Steve! I come from the direction where matatus are blocking the turn back before the roundabout and you find private cars now using the wrong turn just before the turn to head out in the opposite direction - shenzi type wote hao!
./Ok3ch
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
(sorry for top posting) I just had a conversation with a traffic cop at the Westlands roundabout, coming into town. I pointed out the fact that in the direction I was going, there's a slip road off the highway, just after The Mall, that matatus abuse instead of using a spacious bus stop that's provided. Now the pavement's almost gone. I also pointed out that in the opposite direction, an entire bus park was built a few years back, but the same matatus prefer to pick passengers on the highway, and on the right turn back onto Waiyaki way. The tailback these two issues cause just make the work of the cops at the roundabout harder, is there anything they could do about that?
Response: We're too few.
My answer to him got him thinking.
I told him these guys are being disrespectful of him and his kirauni. Conversation went like this: me: hauoni hii ni madharau? hata hawana heshima kwako? Hawaoni kirauni? Yani hawakuogopi? him: kweli mzee. hawa vinyangarika wataniona leo.
Off he went to solve the idiots at The Mall, and he sent one colleague to work on the guys on the opposite side. I think my contribution to Kenya today was to show him that there are law abiding citizens who value him and what he does, and we wonder why others don't.
Regards, Steve
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 11:43 PM, TheMburu George <themburu@gmail.com> wrote:
Precisely my point, we are now getting used to bashing to get what we truly deserve, this if un-checked may end up like in india where rumour has it the one who hoots loudest has right of way in traffic, also imagine a case you have to bash the doctors to get attention. The propotion urgently needs attention and sensitization before it gets out of hand where it is now confrontational!
Cheers
./TheMburu
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Peter Osotsi <peter.osotsi@gmail.com> wrote:
@themburu;
You could have said Kenya is a failed state. When everyone rises
against
everyone, surely! From where do we start the solution? Its not politicians, business people stealing from us, its not us conning our children and spouses daily.
Going home everyday, our traffic snakes on Jogoo rd like a large python (not our fellow skunk), slithering to the Eastlands. Now there are some green mathree's called Forward Travellers that will zoom on the opposite lat at some 140Km/h. Impunity. While all of us are on the snaking lane, someone is endangering the patrons. No one complains. Happy? Yes!
Another day im in a "Double M", my neighbour lady is sipping yoghurt, she is done and asks please open the window for me, that I oblige. She attempts to throw the packet on the highway below to which I retort politely - "mami, sasa nani ataokota hii takataka unataka kutupa nje?", looking startled, she asks, "sasa nitupe wapi?" I answer, "tupa chini ya kiti, the bus will be swept, then washed in the evening, all the dirt in the bus will be taken to a rubbish bin. Here, the dirt is safe". She smiled and threw her garbage under her seat. The garbage is safe.
See, we have failed in our small ways. Now we see the failure amplified in government and in our politics. We need to change. Here, and now, by complaining kabisa. Because we are a failed state when we watch failure and speak no more.
My two cents worth.
Peter
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Jimmy Thuo <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree with steve unless you really come out and demand for better services you are bound to remain with whatever poor services you get.
Many
Kenyans are competent enough to drive change and demand for good services however they are complacent or have a high tolerance threshold for suffering. E.g the other day Kimathi hse top floors burnt down coz the council fire engines are grounded. As kenyans shouldnt we demand the council to provide public services
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participants (13)
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Alex Kamiru -
Evans Ikua -
Jimmy Thuo -
maina -
Odhiambo Washington -
Okechukwu -
Peter Karunyu -
Peter Osotsi -
Philip Musyoki -
Shadrack Mwaniki -
Steve Muchai -
Steve Richard -
TheMburu George