Won't hiking the prices to 30K then make the Mobile Boot Camp an 'elitist' exercise that you hate so much Mike? And will the student's afford? On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 5:08 PM, chuks Jonia <chuksjonia@gmail.com> wrote:

Damn, Mike. This is a tech camp. Its not about making money, its about building each other. Even in Info security, we are doing a free hackerz convention too. Cant we sometimes build each other?

On 7/8/09, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:

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Too low charges. Make it 30k for none students at 10k for students

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 7:42 AM, Jessica Colaço <jessicacolaco@gmail.com>wrote:

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Hi All,

You are cordially invited to: Mobile Boot Camp 2009 on 9th - 11th of July 2008 at Strathmore University.

The charges are:

- Students (Strathmore and non-Strathmore): Ksh 700/- - Non-Students: Ksh 1,500/

More details: http://www.strathmore.edu/aboutus.php?id=171

We look forward to seeing you there. Please email me if you have any queries.

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Nick Thanks. Its so expensive it locks out serious but not monied skunkers On 7/8/09, Nick Wambugu <nick.wambugu@gmail.com> wrote:

Mike means it is already an elitist boot camp. Wambugu

2009/7/8 Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com>

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Won't hiking the prices to 30K then make the Mobile Boot Camp an 'elitist' exercise that you hate so much Mike?

And will the student's afford?

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 5:08 PM, chuks Jonia <chuksjonia@gmail.com> wrote:

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Damn, Mike. This is a tech camp. Its not about making money, its about building each other. Even in Info security, we are doing a free hackerz convention too. Cant we sometimes build each other?

On 7/8/09, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:

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Too low charges. Make it 30k for none students at 10k for students

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 7:42 AM, Jessica Colaço <jessicacolaco@gmail.com>wrote:

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Hi All,

You are cordially invited to: Mobile Boot Camp 2009 on 9th - 11th of July 2008 at Strathmore University.

The charges are:

- Students (Strathmore and non-Strathmore): Ksh 700/- - Non-Students: Ksh 1,500/

More details: http://www.strathmore.edu/aboutus.php?id=171

We look forward to seeing you there. Please email me if you have any queries.

Best, -- Jessica Colaço

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rad What kind of handson training in sofware developmeot will people who still rely on off the shelf teach me? Ingekuwa sare esp for our young ndugus in colle On 7/8/09, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:

700 bob per student / 1500 per professional for a three day course to get hands on training from professionals in the industry sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

The fact of the matter is nothing is free. Meals, logistics, advertising etc have to be paid for.

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 5:48 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:

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Nick

Thanks. Its so expensive it locks out serious but not monied skunkers

On 7/8/09, Nick Wambugu <nick.wambugu@gmail.com> wrote:

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Mike means it is already an elitist boot camp. Wambugu

2009/7/8 Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com>

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Won't hiking the prices to 30K then make the Mobile Boot Camp an 'elitist' exercise that you hate so much Mike?

And will the student's afford?

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 5:08 PM, chuks Jonia <chuksjonia@gmail.com> wrote:

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Damn, Mike. This is a tech camp. Its not about making money, its about building each other. Even in Info security, we are doing a free hackerz convention too. Cant we sometimes build each other?

On 7/8/09, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:

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Too low charges. Make it 30k for none students at 10k for students

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 7:42 AM, Jessica Colaço <jessicacolaco@gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi All, > > You are cordially invited to: Mobile Boot Camp 2009 on 9th - 11th > of July > 2008 at Strathmore University. > > The charges are: > > - Students (Strathmore and non-Strathmore): Ksh 700/- > - Non-Students: Ksh 1,500/ > > More details: http://www.strathmore.edu/aboutus.php?id=171 > > We look forward to seeing you there. Please email me if you have > any > queries. > > Best, > -- > Jessica Colaço > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > Other lists > ------------- > Skunkworks announce: > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general > >

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Rad You can give me the 1500 I buy some mtura jioni in Kibera while finishing to fit our slum web dev centre. None of the people there have anything new to offer. The bootcamps are Straths way of looting like the Kibaki's government is teaching all to On 7/8/09, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:

What do you mean 'still rely on off the shelf' jameni! We can't all start coding in assembly.

Listen, since the cost bothers you so much, I am willing to sponsor you to attend. Put your money where your mouth is. Provided you take copious notes, write a comprehensive report on what you learned and upload it for anyone in this forum who cannot attend to share. We keep complaining that the problem is sharing information yet when people attempt to share another complaint is pulled out of the hat.

Like I said before, nothing is absolutely free.

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:04 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:

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rad

What kind of handson training in sofware developmeot will people who still rely on off the shelf teach me? Ingekuwa sare esp for our young ndugus in colle

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Maybe it would be wise if someone who has been to the bootcamp could tell us what cuts and if it was worth the time and cash. Never been to one before....... Thanks and God bless. On 7/8/09, kennedy kariuki <kkairu@gmail.com> wrote:

Oketch! Aiii yawa...

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 4:58 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:

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Rad

You can give me the 1500 I buy some mtura jioni in Kibera while finishing to fit our slum web dev centre.

None of the people there have anything new to offer. The bootcamps are Straths way of looting like the Kibaki's government is teaching all to

On 7/8/09, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:

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What do you mean 'still rely on off the shelf' jameni! We can't all start coding in assembly.

Listen, since the cost bothers you so much, I am willing to sponsor you to attend. Put your money where your mouth is. Provided you take copious notes, write a comprehensive report on what you learned and upload it for anyone in this forum who cannot attend to share. We keep complaining that the problem is sharing information yet when people attempt to share another complaint is pulled out of the hat.

Like I said before, nothing is absolutely free.

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:04 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:

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rad

What kind of handson training in sofware developmeot will people who still rely on off the shelf teach me? Ingekuwa sare esp for our young ndugus in colle

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Ndugu Mworia Ask anyone who has been to those events. They will tell you what a waste they are On 7/8/09, Mworia Wilfred Mutua <wmworia@gmail.com> wrote:

@okech i think you are hitting below the belt here. there are people who have gone through a lot of trouble to make this event work out.

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:58 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:

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Rad

You can give me the 1500 I buy some mtura jioni in Kibera while finishing to fit our slum web dev centre.

None of the people there have anything new to offer. The bootcamps are Straths way of looting like the Kibaki's government is teaching all to

On 7/8/09, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:

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What do you mean 'still rely on off the shelf' jameni! We can't all start coding in assembly.

Listen, since the cost bothers you so much, I am willing to sponsor you to attend. Put your money where your mouth is. Provided you take copious notes, write a comprehensive report on what you learned and upload it for anyone in this forum who cannot attend to share. We keep complaining that the problem is sharing information yet when people attempt to share another complaint is pulled out of the hat.

Like I said before, nothing is absolutely free.

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:04 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:

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rad

What kind of handson training in sofware developmeot will people who still rely on off the shelf teach me? Ingekuwa sare esp for our young ndugus in colle

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Deja vu...... On 7/8/09, Mworia Wilfred Mutua <wmworia@gmail.com> wrote:

Well, I have personally been to those events, I dont think they are a waste of time... or money. Anyone else who has ben to one of those events...?

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:25 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:

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Ndugu Mworia

Ask anyone who has been to those events. They will tell you what a waste they are

On 7/8/09, Mworia Wilfred Mutua <wmworia@gmail.com> wrote:

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@okech i think you are hitting below the belt here. there are people who have gone through a lot of trouble to make this event work out.

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:58 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:

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Rad

You can give me the 1500 I buy some mtura jioni in Kibera while finishing to fit our slum web dev centre.

None of the people there have anything new to offer. The bootcamps are Straths way of looting like the Kibaki's government is teaching all to

On 7/8/09, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:

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What do you mean 'still rely on off the shelf' jameni! We can't all start coding in assembly.

Listen, since the cost bothers you so much, I am willing to sponsor you to attend. Put your money where your mouth is. Provided you take copious notes, write a comprehensive report on what you learned and upload it for anyone in this forum who cannot attend to share. We keep complaining that the problem is sharing information yet when people attempt to share another complaint is pulled out of the hat.

Like I said before, nothing is absolutely free.

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:04 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:

...

rad

What kind of handson training in sofware developmeot will people who still rely on off the shelf teach me? Ingekuwa sare esp for our young ndugus in colle

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it would seen mike is unable to put up, and is all talk even though there is nothing to lose. my challenge remains. I will personally be there instructing one of the tracks. On 7/8/09, nyarotho kennedy <kenyarotho@gmail.com> wrote:

Deja vu......

On 7/8/09, nyarotho kennedy <kenyarotho@gmail.com> wrote:

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Deja vu......

On 7/8/09, Mworia Wilfred Mutua <wmworia@gmail.com> wrote:

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Well, I have personally been to those events, I dont think they are a waste of time... or money. Anyone else who has ben to one of those events...?

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:25 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:

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Ndugu Mworia

Ask anyone who has been to those events. They will tell you what a waste they are

On 7/8/09, Mworia Wilfred Mutua <wmworia@gmail.com> wrote:

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@okech i think you are hitting below the belt here. there are people who have gone through a lot of trouble to make this event work out.

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:58 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:

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Rad

You can give me the 1500 I buy some mtura jioni in Kibera while finishing to fit our slum web dev centre.

None of the people there have anything new to offer. The bootcamps are Straths way of looting like the Kibaki's government is teaching all to

On 7/8/09, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote: > What do you mean 'still rely on off the shelf' jameni! We can't all start > coding in assembly. > > Listen, since the cost bothers you so much, I am willing to sponsor you to > attend. Put your money where your mouth is. Provided you take > copious notes, > write a comprehensive report on what you learned and upload it for > anyone in > this forum who cannot attend to share. We keep complaining that the problem > is sharing information yet when people attempt to share another > complaint is > pulled out of the hat. > > Like I said before, nothing is absolutely free. > > > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:04 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote: > >> rad >> >> What kind of handson training in sofware developmeot will people >> who >> still rely on off the shelf teach me? Ingekuwa sare esp for our >> young >> ndugus in colle >> >

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Alalalalalala... mike, you dont really want to back up that tree... On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 10:54 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:

Rad Lay bare what you have achieved as a coder. Let me declare that I only have a Library System to my name and nobody has ever shown interest in it.

I would want to know what you have in your CV since my dad taught me to ask my lecturers their qualification b4 they do anything to my knowledge

On 7/8/09, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:

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it would seen mike is unable to put up, and is all talk even though there is nothing to lose. my challenge remains. I will personally be there instructing one of the tracks.

On 7/8/09, nyarotho kennedy <kenyarotho@gmail.com> wrote:

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Deja vu......

On 7/8/09, nyarotho kennedy <kenyarotho@gmail.com> wrote:

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Deja vu......

On 7/8/09, Mworia Wilfred Mutua <wmworia@gmail.com> wrote:

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Well, I have personally been to those events, I dont think they are a waste of time... or money. Anyone else who has ben to one of those events...?

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:25 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Ndugu Mworia

Ask anyone who has been to those events. They will tell you what a waste they are

On 7/8/09, Mworia Wilfred Mutua <wmworia@gmail.com> wrote: > @okech i think you are hitting below the belt here. there are people > who > have gone through a lot of trouble to make this event work out. > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:58 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Rad >> >> You can give me the 1500 I buy some mtura jioni in Kibera while >> finishing to fit our slum web dev centre. >> >> None of the people there have anything new to offer. The bootcamps >> are >> Straths way of looting like the Kibaki's government is teaching all >> to >> >> On 7/8/09, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote: >> > What do you mean 'still rely on off the shelf' jameni! We can't >> all >> start >> > coding in assembly. >> > >> > Listen, since the cost bothers you so much, I am willing to >> > sponsor you >> to >> > attend. Put your money where your mouth is. Provided you take >> > copious >> notes, >> > write a comprehensive report on what you learned and upload it for >> > anyone >> in >> > this forum who cannot attend to share. We keep complaining that >> > the >> problem >> > is sharing information yet when people attempt to share another >> > complaint >> is >> > pulled out of the hat. >> > >> > Like I said before, nothing is absolutely free. >> > >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:04 PM, mike oketch < mikeoketch@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> >> rad >> >> >> >> What kind of handson training in sofware developmeot will people >> >> who >> >> still rely on off the shelf teach me? Ingekuwa sare esp for our >> >> young >> >> ndugus in colle >> >> >> > >> >> -- >> Sent from my mobile device >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> Other lists >> ------------- >> Skunkworks announce: >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >> Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >> kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >> > > > > -- > Regards, > > Mworia Wilfred Mutua > > http://www.afrinnovator.com/ > > Resume: http://www.visualcv.com/wmworia > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/wmworia > Facebook: http://facebook.com/wmworia > Twitter: http://twitter.com/wmworia > googletalk: wmworia > Yahoo IM: wilfred.mworia > > > ---- >

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Hey Mike there i think we should let people feel free to choose what they want to learn or not at whatever cost they want. You may not belief this but the course is important to some people. Talking disparagingly about what other people have put so much effort to bring to bare sound elitist, and I know you don't like class and elitism. Imagine if folks started talking about your iPhone, how unreasonable and costly it is, just imagine. We all have our opiums. Thank you. On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 11:02 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:

Am waiting. Atoe karatasi zake. Mimi ni mbwea kwa haya. Let me be schooled

On 7/8/09, Mworia Wilfred Mutua <wmworia@gmail.com> wrote:

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Alalalalalala... mike, you dont really want to back up that tree...

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 10:54 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:

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Rad Lay bare what you have achieved as a coder. Let me declare that I only have a Library System to my name and nobody has ever shown interest in it.

I would want to know what you have in your CV since my dad taught me to ask my lecturers their qualification b4 they do anything to my knowledge

On 7/8/09, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:

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it would seen mike is unable to put up, and is all talk even though there is nothing to lose. my challenge remains. I will personally be there instructing one of the tracks.

On 7/8/09, nyarotho kennedy <kenyarotho@gmail.com> wrote:

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Deja vu......

On 7/8/09, nyarotho kennedy <kenyarotho@gmail.com> wrote:

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Deja vu......

On 7/8/09, Mworia Wilfred Mutua <wmworia@gmail.com> wrote: > Well, I have personally been to those events, I dont think they are a > waste > of time... or money. Anyone else who has ben to one of those events...? > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:25 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Ndugu Mworia >> >> Ask anyone who has been to those events. They will tell you what a >> waste they are >> >> On 7/8/09, Mworia Wilfred Mutua <wmworia@gmail.com> wrote: >> > @okech i think you are hitting below the belt here. there are people >> > who >> > have gone through a lot of trouble to make this event work out. >> > >> > On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:58 PM, mike oketch < mikeoketch@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> >> Rad >> >> >> >> You can give me the 1500 I buy some mtura jioni in Kibera while >> >> finishing to fit our slum web dev centre. >> >> >> >> None of the people there have anything new to offer. The >> >> bootcamps >> >> are >> >> Straths way of looting like the Kibaki's government is teaching all >> >> to >> >> >> >> On 7/8/09, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > What do you mean 'still rely on off the shelf' jameni! We >> >> can't >> >> all >> >> start >> >> > coding in assembly. >> >> > >> >> > Listen, since the cost bothers you so much, I am willing to >> >> > sponsor >> you >> >> to >> >> > attend. Put your money where your mouth is. Provided you take >> >> > copious >> >> notes, >> >> > write a comprehensive report on what you learned and upload it for >> >> > anyone >> >> in >> >> > this forum who cannot attend to share. We keep complaining that >> >> > the >> >> problem >> >> > is sharing information yet when people attempt to share another >> >> > complaint >> >> is >> >> > pulled out of the hat. >> >> > >> >> > Like I said before, nothing is absolutely free. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:04 PM, mike oketch < mikeoketch@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> rad >> >> >> >> >> >> What kind of handson training in sofware developmeot will people >> >> >> who >> >> >> still rely on off the shelf teach me? Ingekuwa sare esp for >> >> >> our >> >> >> young >> >> >> ndugus in colle >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Sent from my mobile device >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Skunkworks mailing list >> >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> >> Other lists >> >> ------------- >> >> Skunkworks announce: >> >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >> >> Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >> >> kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Regards, >> > >> > Mworia Wilfred Mutua >> > >> > http://www.afrinnovator.com/ >> > >> > Resume: http://www.visualcv.com/wmworia >> > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/wmworia >> > Facebook: http://facebook.com/wmworia >> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/wmworia >> > googletalk: wmworia >> > Yahoo IM: wilfred.mworia >> > >> > >> > ---- >> > >> >> -- >> Sent from my mobile device >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> Other lists >> ------------- >> Skunkworks announce: >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >> Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >> kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >> > > > > -- > Regards, > > Mworia Wilfred Mutua > > http://www.afrinnovator.com/ > > Resume: http://www.visualcv.com/wmworia > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/wmworia > Facebook: http://facebook.com/wmworia > Twitter: http://twitter.com/wmworia > googletalk: wmworia > Yahoo IM: wilfred.mworia > > > ---- >

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As i said, deja vu.......this has happened before so Mworia, Rad, Phil no need to do battle with Mike, its like fighting shadows -pointless. Just get on with the bootcamp and God bless y'all! Brother Mike or should i call you Robert Alai, lets leave the petty stuff to saloonists :) On 7/8/09, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:

my phone has no effect on Musyoki. Its my liability. The Strathmore courses will lead to fraud when we have nusu baked people claiming to be pros.

Watoe CV tuone. Why do they fear that?

On 7/8/09, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:

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Hey Mike there

i think we should let people feel free to choose what they want to learn or not at whatever cost they want. You may not belief this but the course is important to some people. Talking disparagingly about what other people have put so much effort to bring to bare sound elitist, and I know you don't like class and elitism.

Imagine if folks started talking about your iPhone, how unreasonable and costly it is, just imagine. We all have our opiums.

Thank you.

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 11:02 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:

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Am waiting. Atoe karatasi zake. Mimi ni mbwea kwa haya. Let me be schooled

On 7/8/09, Mworia Wilfred Mutua <wmworia@gmail.com> wrote:

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Alalalalalala... mike, you dont really want to back up that tree...

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 10:54 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:

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Rad Lay bare what you have achieved as a coder. Let me declare that I only have a Library System to my name and nobody has ever shown interest in it.

I would want to know what you have in your CV since my dad taught me to ask my lecturers their qualification b4 they do anything to my knowledge

On 7/8/09, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:

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it would seen mike is unable to put up, and is all talk even though there is nothing to lose. my challenge remains. I will personally be there instructing one of the tracks.

On 7/8/09, nyarotho kennedy <kenyarotho@gmail.com> wrote: > Deja vu...... > > On 7/8/09, nyarotho kennedy <kenyarotho@gmail.com> wrote: >> Deja vu...... >> >> On 7/8/09, Mworia Wilfred Mutua <wmworia@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Well, I have personally been to those events, I dont think they >>> are a >>> waste >>> of time... or money. Anyone else who has ben to one of those events...? >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:25 PM, mike oketch >>> <mikeoketch@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Ndugu Mworia >>>> >>>> Ask anyone who has been to those events. They will tell you what >>>> a >>>> waste they are >>>> >>>> On 7/8/09, Mworia Wilfred Mutua <wmworia@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > @okech i think you are hitting below the belt here. there are people >>>> > who >>>> > have gone through a lot of trouble to make this event work >>>> > out. >>>> > >>>> > On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:58 PM, mike oketch < mikeoketch@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> Rad >>>> >> >>>> >> You can give me the 1500 I buy some mtura jioni in Kibera >>>> >> while >>>> >> finishing to fit our slum web dev centre. >>>> >> >>>> >> None of the people there have anything new to offer. The >>>> >> bootcamps >>>> >> are >>>> >> Straths way of looting like the Kibaki's government is >>>> >> teaching all >>>> >> to >>>> >> >>>> >> On 7/8/09, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >> > What do you mean 'still rely on off the shelf' jameni! We >>>> >> can't >>>> >> all >>>> >> start >>>> >> > coding in assembly. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Listen, since the cost bothers you so much, I am willing to >>>> >> > sponsor >>>> you >>>> >> to >>>> >> > attend. Put your money where your mouth is. Provided you >>>> >> > take >>>> >> > copious >>>> >> notes, >>>> >> > write a comprehensive report on what you learned and upload it for >>>> >> > anyone >>>> >> in >>>> >> > this forum who cannot attend to share. We keep complaining that >>>> >> > the >>>> >> problem >>>> >> > is sharing information yet when people attempt to share another >>>> >> > complaint >>>> >> is >>>> >> > pulled out of the hat. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Like I said before, nothing is absolutely free. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:04 PM, mike oketch < mikeoketch@gmail.com> >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >> > >>>> >> >> rad >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> What kind of handson training in sofware developmeot will people >>>> >> >> who >>>> >> >> still rely on off the shelf teach me? Ingekuwa sare esp >>>> >> >> for >>>> >> >> our >>>> >> >> young >>>> >> >> ndugus in colle >>>> >> >> >>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>> >> -- >>>> >> Sent from my mobile device >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> Skunkworks mailing list >>>> >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >> Other lists >>>> >> ------------- >>>> >> Skunkworks announce: >>>> >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >>>> >> Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >>>> >> kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Regards, >>>> > >>>> > Mworia Wilfred Mutua >>>> > >>>> > http://www.afrinnovator.com/ >>>> > >>>> > Resume: http://www.visualcv.com/wmworia >>>> > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/wmworia >>>> > Facebook: http://facebook.com/wmworia >>>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/wmworia >>>> > googletalk: wmworia >>>> > Yahoo IM: wilfred.mworia >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > ---- >>>> > >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sent from my mobile device >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> Other lists >>>> ------------- >>>> Skunkworks announce: >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >>>> Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >>>> kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Regards, >>> >>> Mworia Wilfred Mutua >>> >>> http://www.afrinnovator.com/ >>> >>> Resume: http://www.visualcv.com/wmworia >>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/wmworia >>> Facebook: http://facebook.com/wmworia >>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/wmworia >>> googletalk: wmworia >>> Yahoo IM: wilfred.mworia >>> >>> >>> ---- >>> >> >> >> -- >> People should know when they are conquered. >> > > > -- > People should know when they are conquered. > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > Other lists > ------------- > Skunkworks announce: > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general > _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Skunkworks announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general

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ha ha! my friend, I do not feel obliged in the least to prove myself to you and your library system. let any serious professional or pair of students contact me for the sponsorship. On 7/8/09, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey Mike there

i think we should let people feel free to choose what they want to learn or not at whatever cost they want. You may not belief this but the course is important to some people. Talking disparagingly about what other people have put so much effort to bring to bare sound elitist, and I know you don't like class and elitism.

Imagine if folks started talking about your iPhone, how unreasonable and costly it is, just imagine. We all have our opiums.

Thank you.

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 11:02 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:

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Am waiting. Atoe karatasi zake. Mimi ni mbwea kwa haya. Let me be schooled

On 7/8/09, Mworia Wilfred Mutua <wmworia@gmail.com> wrote:

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Alalalalalala... mike, you dont really want to back up that tree...

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 10:54 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Rad Lay bare what you have achieved as a coder. Let me declare that I only have a Library System to my name and nobody has ever shown interest in it.

I would want to know what you have in your CV since my dad taught me to ask my lecturers their qualification b4 they do anything to my knowledge

On 7/8/09, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:

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it would seen mike is unable to put up, and is all talk even though there is nothing to lose. my challenge remains. I will personally be there instructing one of the tracks.

On 7/8/09, nyarotho kennedy <kenyarotho@gmail.com> wrote:

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Deja vu......

On 7/8/09, nyarotho kennedy <kenyarotho@gmail.com> wrote: > Deja vu...... > > On 7/8/09, Mworia Wilfred Mutua <wmworia@gmail.com> wrote: >> Well, I have personally been to those events, I dont think they >> are a >> waste >> of time... or money. Anyone else who has ben to one of those events...? >> >> On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:25 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Ndugu Mworia >>> >>> Ask anyone who has been to those events. They will tell you what >>> a >>> waste they are >>> >>> On 7/8/09, Mworia Wilfred Mutua <wmworia@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > @okech i think you are hitting below the belt here. there are people >>> > who >>> > have gone through a lot of trouble to make this event work out. >>> > >>> > On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:58 PM, mike oketch < mikeoketch@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> >> Rad >>> >> >>> >> You can give me the 1500 I buy some mtura jioni in Kibera >>> >> while >>> >> finishing to fit our slum web dev centre. >>> >> >>> >> None of the people there have anything new to offer. The >>> >> bootcamps >>> >> are >>> >> Straths way of looting like the Kibaki's government is >>> >> teaching all >>> >> to >>> >> >>> >> On 7/8/09, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >> > What do you mean 'still rely on off the shelf' jameni! We >>> >> can't >>> >> all >>> >> start >>> >> > coding in assembly. >>> >> > >>> >> > Listen, since the cost bothers you so much, I am willing to >>> >> > sponsor >>> you >>> >> to >>> >> > attend. Put your money where your mouth is. Provided you >>> >> > take >>> >> > copious >>> >> notes, >>> >> > write a comprehensive report on what you learned and upload it for >>> >> > anyone >>> >> in >>> >> > this forum who cannot attend to share. We keep complaining that >>> >> > the >>> >> problem >>> >> > is sharing information yet when people attempt to share another >>> >> > complaint >>> >> is >>> >> > pulled out of the hat. >>> >> > >>> >> > Like I said before, nothing is absolutely free. >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:04 PM, mike oketch < mikeoketch@gmail.com> >>> >> wrote: >>> >> > >>> >> >> rad >>> >> >> >>> >> >> What kind of handson training in sofware developmeot will people >>> >> >> who >>> >> >> still rely on off the shelf teach me? Ingekuwa sare esp for >>> >> >> our >>> >> >> young >>> >> >> ndugus in colle >>> >> >> >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> Sent from my mobile device >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Skunkworks mailing list >>> >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> Other lists >>> >> ------------- >>> >> Skunkworks announce: >>> >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >>> >> Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >>> >> kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Regards, >>> > >>> > Mworia Wilfred Mutua >>> > >>> > http://www.afrinnovator.com/ >>> > >>> > Resume: http://www.visualcv.com/wmworia >>> > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/wmworia >>> > Facebook: http://facebook.com/wmworia >>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/wmworia >>> > googletalk: wmworia >>> > Yahoo IM: wilfred.mworia >>> > >>> > >>> > ---- >>> > >>> >>> -- >>> Sent from my mobile device >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Skunkworks mailing list >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> Other lists >>> ------------- >>> Skunkworks announce: >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >>> Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >>> kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Regards, >> >> Mworia Wilfred Mutua >> >> http://www.afrinnovator.com/ >> >> Resume: http://www.visualcv.com/wmworia >> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/wmworia >> Facebook: http://facebook.com/wmworia >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/wmworia >> googletalk: wmworia >> Yahoo IM: wilfred.mworia >> >> >> ---- >> > > > -- > People should know when they are conquered. >

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@Mike go easy on these guys. i dont know much about what happens at the boot camp or how they will be taught to develop sofware in 3days and asked to get involved in a programming comptition for the next one month.... hhhmm. but the thing is, these students are piking up ideas and a bit of knowledge in the least (if not a wealth of knowledge). I just have one concern and question. Seeing after this there will be a programming competition, am just wondering whether the contestants will be provided with the necesary tools to get this done? Good work though. Steve Obbayi, Tel: +1 202 470 0575 cell: +254 722 627691 _____ From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Daniel Mugambi Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 7:55 AM To: Skunkworks forum Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Mobile Boot Camp 2009 at Strathmore University @Mike I think you are in the wrong profession. Any serious developer will tell you that 99% of what they know is self taught. Its all about the passion! Plus i think you are nuts asking Conrad to lay bare his CV. Some of us have benefited greatly from his initiatives at Africa.NET. Jessica is doing a great job. Such stuff wasnt there when i started out. Mugambi On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 11:53 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote: ha ha! my friend, I do not feel obliged in the least to prove myself to you and your library system. let any serious professional or pair of students contact me for the sponsorship. On 7/8/09, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey Mike there

i think we should let people feel free to choose what they want to learn or not at whatever cost they want. You may not belief this but the course is important to some people. Talking disparagingly about what other people have put so much effort to bring to bare sound elitist, and I know you don't like class and elitism.

Imagine if folks started talking about your iPhone, how unreasonable and costly it is, just imagine. We all have our opiums.

Thank you.

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 11:02 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:

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Am waiting. Atoe karatasi zake. Mimi ni mbwea kwa haya. Let me be schooled

On 7/8/09, Mworia Wilfred Mutua <wmworia@gmail.com> wrote:

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Alalalalalala... mike, you dont really want to back up that tree...

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 10:54 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:

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Rad Lay bare what you have achieved as a coder. Let me declare that I only have a Library System to my name and nobody has ever shown interest in it.

I would want to know what you have in your CV since my dad taught me to ask my lecturers their qualification b4 they do anything to my knowledge

On 7/8/09, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:

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it would seen mike is unable to put up, and is all talk even though there is nothing to lose. my challenge remains. I will personally be there instructing one of the tracks.

On 7/8/09, nyarotho kennedy <kenyarotho@gmail.com> wrote:

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Deja vu......

On 7/8/09, nyarotho kennedy <kenyarotho@gmail.com> wrote: > Deja vu...... > > On 7/8/09, Mworia Wilfred Mutua <wmworia@gmail.com> wrote: >> Well, I have personally been to those events, I dont think they >> are a >> waste >> of time... or money. Anyone else who has ben to one of those events...? >> >> On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:25 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Ndugu Mworia >>> >>> Ask anyone who has been to those events. They will tell you what >>> a >>> waste they are >>> >>> On 7/8/09, Mworia Wilfred Mutua <wmworia@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > @okech i think you are hitting below the belt here. there are people >>> > who >>> > have gone through a lot of trouble to make this event work out. >>> > >>> > On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:58 PM, mike oketch < mikeoketch@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> >> Rad >>> >> >>> >> You can give me the 1500 I buy some mtura jioni in Kibera >>> >> while >>> >> finishing to fit our slum web dev centre. >>> >> >>> >> None of the people there have anything new to offer. The >>> >> bootcamps >>> >> are >>> >> Straths way of looting like the Kibaki's government is >>> >> teaching all >>> >> to >>> >> >>> >> On 7/8/09, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >> > What do you mean 'still rely on off the shelf' jameni! We >>> >> can't >>> >> all >>> >> start >>> >> > coding in assembly. >>> >> > >>> >> > Listen, since the cost bothers you so much, I am willing to >>> >> > sponsor >>> you >>> >> to >>> >> > attend. Put your money where your mouth is. Provided you >>> >> > take >>> >> > copious >>> >> notes, >>> >> > write a comprehensive report on what you learned and upload it for >>> >> > anyone >>> >> in >>> >> > this forum who cannot attend to share. We keep complaining that >>> >> > the >>> >> problem >>> >> > is sharing information yet when people attempt to share another >>> >> > complaint >>> >> is >>> >> > pulled out of the hat. >>> >> > >>> >> > Like I said before, nothing is absolutely free. >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:04 PM, mike oketch < mikeoketch@gmail.com> >>> >> wrote: >>> >> > >>> >> >> rad >>> >> >> >>> >> >> What kind of handson training in sofware developmeot will people >>> >> >> who >>> >> >> still rely on off the shelf teach me? Ingekuwa sare esp for >>> >> >> our >>> >> >> young >>> >> >> ndugus in colle >>> >> >> >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> Sent from my mobile device >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Skunkworks mailing list >>> >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> Other lists >>> >> ------------- >>> >> Skunkworks announce: >>> >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >>> >> Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >>> >> kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Regards, >>> > >>> > Mworia Wilfred Mutua >>> > >>> > http://www.afrinnovator.com/ >>> > >>> > Resume: http://www.visualcv.com/wmworia >>> > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/wmworia >>> > Facebook: http://facebook.com/wmworia >>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/wmworia >>> > googletalk: wmworia >>> > Yahoo IM: wilfred.mworia >>> > >>> > >>> > ---- >>> > >>> >>> -- >>> Sent from my mobile device >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Skunkworks mailing list >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> Other lists >>> ------------- >>> Skunkworks announce: >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >>> Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >>> kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Regards, >> >> Mworia Wilfred Mutua >> >> http://www.afrinnovator.com/ >> >> Resume: http://www.visualcv.com/wmworia >> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/wmworia >> Facebook: http://facebook.com/wmworia >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/wmworia >> googletalk: wmworia >> Yahoo IM: wilfred.mworia >> >> >> ---- >> > > > -- > People should know when they are conquered. >

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Too noise thread.... is skunksworks turning to bidiiafrica? Where are the mods? On 7/9/09, jude mwenda <judemwenda@gmail.com> wrote:

well, the course is worthwhile. I am speaking on behalf of some previous attendees. The fact is that the idea of the class is to get people started.Not to teach them everything. to have some basics then from there they evolve. I think jess is doing a good job. as for the money, it caters for the food. i missed it last year and many of my classmates told me it was very worthwhile. and thought provoking.

2009/7/9 Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com>

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@Mike go easy on these guys. i dont know much about what happens at the boot camp or how they will be taught to develop sofware in 3days and asked to get involved in a programming comptition for the next one month.... hhhmm. but the thing is, these students are piking up ideas and a bit of knowledge in the least (if not a wealth of knowledge). I just have one concern and question. Seeing after this there will be a programming competition, am just wondering whether the contestants will be provided with the necesary tools to get this done? Good work though.

Steve Obbayi,

Tel: +1 202 470 0575 cell: +254 722 627691

------------------------------ *From:* skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] *On Behalf Of *Daniel Mugambi *Sent:* Thursday, July 09, 2009 7:55 AM *To:* Skunkworks forum *Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] Mobile Boot Camp 2009 at Strathmore University

@Mike I think you are in the wrong profession. Any serious developer will tell you that 99% of what they know is self taught. Its all about the passion! Plus i think you are nuts asking Conrad to lay bare his CV. Some of us have benefited greatly from his initiatives at Africa.NET. Jessica is doing a great job. Such stuff wasnt there when i started out.

Mugambi

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 11:53 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:

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ha ha! my friend, I do not feel obliged in the least to prove myself to you and your library system. let any serious professional or pair of students contact me for the sponsorship.

On 7/8/09, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:

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Hey Mike there

i think we should let people feel free to choose what they want to learn or not at whatever cost they want. You may not belief this but the course is important to some people. Talking disparagingly about what other people have put so much effort to bring to bare sound elitist, and I know you don't like class and elitism.

Imagine if folks started talking about your iPhone, how unreasonable and costly it is, just imagine. We all have our opiums.

Thank you.

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 11:02 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:

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Am waiting. Atoe karatasi zake. Mimi ni mbwea kwa haya. Let me be schooled

On 7/8/09, Mworia Wilfred Mutua <wmworia@gmail.com> wrote:

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Alalalalalala... mike, you dont really want to back up that tree...

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 10:54 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:

> Rad > Lay bare what you have achieved as a coder. Let me declare that I only > have a Library System to my name and nobody has ever shown interest in > it. > > I would want to know what you have in your CV since my dad taught > me > to ask my lecturers their qualification b4 they do anything to my > knowledge > > On 7/8/09, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote: > > it would seen mike is unable to put up, and is all talk even though > > there is nothing to lose. my challenge remains. I will personally be > > there instructing one of the tracks. > > > > On 7/8/09, nyarotho kennedy <kenyarotho@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Deja vu...... > >> > >> On 7/8/09, nyarotho kennedy <kenyarotho@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> Deja vu...... > >>> > >>> On 7/8/09, Mworia Wilfred Mutua <wmworia@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> Well, I have personally been to those events, I dont think > >>>> they > >>>> are a > >>>> waste > >>>> of time... or money. Anyone else who has ben to one of those > events...? > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:25 PM, mike oketch < mikeoketch@gmail.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Ndugu Mworia > >>>>> > >>>>> Ask anyone who has been to those events. They will tell you what > >>>>> a > >>>>> waste they are > >>>>> > >>>>> On 7/8/09, Mworia Wilfred Mutua <wmworia@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> > @okech i think you are hitting below the belt here. there are > people > >>>>> > who > >>>>> > have gone through a lot of trouble to make this event work out. > >>>>> > > >>>>> > On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:58 PM, mike oketch < mikeoketch@gmail.com> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > > >>>>> >> Rad > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> You can give me the 1500 I buy some mtura jioni in Kibera > >>>>> >> while > >>>>> >> finishing to fit our slum web dev centre. > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> None of the people there have anything new to offer. The > >>>>> >> bootcamps > >>>>> >> are > >>>>> >> Straths way of looting like the Kibaki's government is > >>>>> >> teaching > all > >>>>> >> to > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> On 7/8/09, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> >> > What do you mean 'still rely on off the shelf' jameni! We > >>>>> >> can't > >>>>> >> all > >>>>> >> start > >>>>> >> > coding in assembly. > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > Listen, since the cost bothers you so much, I am willing to > >>>>> >> > sponsor > >>>>> you > >>>>> >> to > >>>>> >> > attend. Put your money where your mouth is. Provided you > >>>>> >> > take > >>>>> >> > copious > >>>>> >> notes, > >>>>> >> > write a comprehensive report on what you learned and upload it > for > >>>>> >> > anyone > >>>>> >> in > >>>>> >> > this forum who cannot attend to share. We keep complaining that > >>>>> >> > the > >>>>> >> problem > >>>>> >> > is sharing information yet when people attempt to share another > >>>>> >> > complaint > >>>>> >> is > >>>>> >> > pulled out of the hat. > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > Like I said before, nothing is absolutely free. > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:04 PM, mike oketch < > mikeoketch@gmail.com> > >>>>> >> wrote: > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> >> rad > >>>>> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> What kind of handson training in sofware developmeot will > people > >>>>> >> >> who > >>>>> >> >> still rely on off the shelf teach me? Ingekuwa sare esp for > >>>>> >> >> our > >>>>> >> >> young > >>>>> >> >> ndugus in colle > >>>>> >> >> > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> -- > >>>>> >> Sent from my mobile device > >>>>> >> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> >> Skunkworks mailing list > >>>>> >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > >>>>> >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > >>>>> >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > >>>>> >> Other lists > >>>>> >> ------------- > >>>>> >> Skunkworks announce: > >>>>> >> > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > >>>>> >> Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > >>>>> >> kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general > >>>>> >> > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > -- > >>>>> > Regards, > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Mworia Wilfred Mutua > >>>>> > > >>>>> > http://www.afrinnovator.com/ > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Resume: http://www.visualcv.com/wmworia > >>>>> > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/wmworia > >>>>> > Facebook: http://facebook.com/wmworia > >>>>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/wmworia > >>>>> > googletalk: wmworia > >>>>> > Yahoo IM: wilfred.mworia > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > ---- > >>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Sent from my mobile device > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Skunkworks mailing list > >>>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > >>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > >>>>> Other lists > >>>>> ------------- > >>>>> Skunkworks announce: > >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > >>>>> Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > >>>>> kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Regards, > >>>> > >>>> Mworia Wilfred Mutua > >>>> > >>>> http://www.afrinnovator.com/ > >>>> > >>>> Resume: http://www.visualcv.com/wmworia > >>>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/wmworia > >>>> Facebook: http://facebook.com/wmworia > >>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/wmworia > >>>> googletalk: wmworia > >>>> Yahoo IM: wilfred.mworia > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ---- > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> People should know when they are conquered. > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> People should know when they are conquered. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Skunkworks mailing list > >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > >> Other lists > >> ------------- > >> Skunkworks announce: > >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > >> Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > >> kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Skunkworks mailing list > > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > Other lists > > ------------- > > Skunkworks announce: > > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > > Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > > kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general > > > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > Other lists > ------------- > Skunkworks announce: > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >

-- Regards,

Mworia Wilfred Mutua

http://www.afrinnovator.com/

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@ Daniel Pleased to meet you too! Google.co.ke reveals you are one of the EPROM geeks! Could not find your blog (Twitter?) however! Will be following you and other mobile developers who can communicate sense to not too technical but interested parties such as as myself. @ Mwo and Co. (Jess, Mithamo, Wakahe and Conrad - Darth Vad .. et al) keep up the good work. Are gate crashers with 500 bob welcome for an hour or two - maybe tomorrow afternoon? Dress code? Yuppie - Funky? Or .... On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 7:54 AM, Daniel Mugambi <danielmugambi@gmail.com>wrote:

@Mike I think you are in the wrong profession. Any serious developer will tell you that 99% of what they know is self taught. Its all about the passion! Plus i think you are nuts asking Conrad to lay bare his CV. Some of us have benefited greatly from his initiatives at Africa.NET. Jessica is doing a great job. Such stuff wasnt there when i started out.

Mugambi

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 11:53 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:

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ha ha! my friend, I do not feel obliged in the least to prove myself to you and your library system. let any serious professional or pair of students contact me for the sponsorship.

On 7/8/09, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:

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Hey Mike there

i think we should let people feel free to choose what they want to learn or not at whatever cost they want. You may not belief this but the course is important to some people. Talking disparagingly about what other people have put so much effort to bring to bare sound elitist, and I know you don't like class and elitism.

Imagine if folks started talking about your iPhone, how unreasonable and costly it is, just imagine. We all have our opiums.

Thank you.

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 11:02 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:

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Am waiting. Atoe karatasi zake. Mimi ni mbwea kwa haya. Let me be schooled

On 7/8/09, Mworia Wilfred Mutua <wmworia@gmail.com> wrote:

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Alalalalalala... mike, you dont really want to back up that tree...

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 10:54 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:

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Rad Lay bare what you have achieved as a coder. Let me declare that I only have a Library System to my name and nobody has ever shown interest in it.

I would want to know what you have in your CV since my dad taught me to ask my lecturers their qualification b4 they do anything to my knowledge

On 7/8/09, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote: > it would seen mike is unable to put up, and is all talk even though > there is nothing to lose. my challenge remains. I will personally be > there instructing one of the tracks. > > On 7/8/09, nyarotho kennedy <kenyarotho@gmail.com> wrote: >> Deja vu...... >> >> On 7/8/09, nyarotho kennedy <kenyarotho@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Deja vu...... >>> >>> On 7/8/09, Mworia Wilfred Mutua <wmworia@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Well, I have personally been to those events, I dont think they >>>> are a >>>> waste >>>> of time... or money. Anyone else who has ben to one of those events...? >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:25 PM, mike oketch < mikeoketch@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ndugu Mworia >>>>> >>>>> Ask anyone who has been to those events. They will tell you what >>>>> a >>>>> waste they are >>>>> >>>>> On 7/8/09, Mworia Wilfred Mutua <wmworia@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> > @okech i think you are hitting below the belt here. there are people >>>>> > who >>>>> > have gone through a lot of trouble to make this event work out. >>>>> > >>>>> > On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:58 PM, mike oketch < mikeoketch@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> >> Rad >>>>> >> >>>>> >> You can give me the 1500 I buy some mtura jioni in Kibera >>>>> >> while >>>>> >> finishing to fit our slum web dev centre. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> None of the people there have anything new to offer. The >>>>> >> bootcamps >>>>> >> are >>>>> >> Straths way of looting like the Kibaki's government is >>>>> >> teaching all >>>>> >> to >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On 7/8/09, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >> > What do you mean 'still rely on off the shelf' jameni! We >>>>> >> can't >>>>> >> all >>>>> >> start >>>>> >> > coding in assembly. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > Listen, since the cost bothers you so much, I am willing to >>>>> >> > sponsor >>>>> you >>>>> >> to >>>>> >> > attend. Put your money where your mouth is. Provided you >>>>> >> > take >>>>> >> > copious >>>>> >> notes, >>>>> >> > write a comprehensive report on what you learned and upload it for >>>>> >> > anyone >>>>> >> in >>>>> >> > this forum who cannot attend to share. We keep complaining that >>>>> >> > the >>>>> >> problem >>>>> >> > is sharing information yet when people attempt to share another >>>>> >> > complaint >>>>> >> is >>>>> >> > pulled out of the hat. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > Like I said before, nothing is absolutely free. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:04 PM, mike oketch < mikeoketch@gmail.com> >>>>> >> wrote: >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> >> rad >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> What kind of handson training in sofware developmeot will people >>>>> >> >> who >>>>> >> >> still rely on off the shelf teach me? 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I agree with you Mworia. The events are helpful, particularly for those not from the techie world. Michael On Wed, 2009-07-08 at 13:28 -0400, Mworia Wilfred Mutua wrote:

Well, I have personally been to those events, I dont think they are a waste of time... or money. Anyone else who has ben to one of those events...?

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:25 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote: Ndugu Mworia

Ask anyone who has been to those events. They will tell you what a waste they are

On 7/8/09, Mworia Wilfred Mutua <wmworia@gmail.com> wrote: > @okech i think you are hitting below the belt here. there are people who > have gone through a lot of trouble to make this event work out. > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:58 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Rad >> >> You can give me the 1500 I buy some mtura jioni in Kibera while >> finishing to fit our slum web dev centre. >> >> None of the people there have anything new to offer. The bootcamps are >> Straths way of looting like the Kibaki's government is teaching all to >> >> On 7/8/09, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote: >> > What do you mean 'still rely on off the shelf' jameni! We can't all >> start >> > coding in assembly. >> > >> > Listen, since the cost bothers you so much, I am willing to sponsor you >> to >> > attend. Put your money where your mouth is. Provided you take copious >> notes, >> > write a comprehensive report on what you learned and upload it for >> > anyone >> in >> > this forum who cannot attend to share. We keep complaining that the >> problem >> > is sharing information yet when people attempt to share another >> > complaint >> is >> > pulled out of the hat. >> > >> > Like I said before, nothing is absolutely free. >> > >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:04 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> >> rad >> >> >> >> What kind of handson training in sofware developmeot will people who >> >> still rely on off the shelf teach me? Ingekuwa sare esp for our young >> >> ndugus in colle >> >> >> > >> >> -- >> Sent from my mobile device >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> Other lists >> ------------- >> Skunkworks announce: >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >> Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >> kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >> > > > > -- > Regards, > > Mworia Wilfred Mutua > > http://www.afrinnovator.com/ > > Resume: http://www.visualcv.com/wmworia > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/wmworia > Facebook: http://facebook.com/wmworia > Twitter: http://twitter.com/wmworia > googletalk: wmworia > Yahoo IM: wilfred.mworia > > > ---- >

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Here here for Jess and the team... Geoffrey, Michael see you there tomorrow On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Geoffrey Mimano <gmimano@datadyne.org>wrote:

Those who feel that the event has nothing to offer should just not attend and stop discouraging beginners from learning something new. We should congratulate Jes for the effort especially bringing together learning institutions and the industry. *"The hardest thing to open is a closed mind!"*

2009/7/8 Michael Wakahe <michael.wakahe@mail.mcgill.ca>

I agree with you Mworia. The events are helpful, particularly for those

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not from the techie world.

Michael

On Wed, 2009-07-08 at 13:28 -0400, Mworia Wilfred Mutua wrote:

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Well, I have personally been to those events, I dont think they are a waste of time... or money. Anyone else who has ben to one of those events...?

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:25 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote: Ndugu Mworia

Ask anyone who has been to those events. They will tell you what a waste they are

On 7/8/09, Mworia Wilfred Mutua <wmworia@gmail.com> wrote: > @okech i think you are hitting below the belt here. there are people who > have gone through a lot of trouble to make this event work out. > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:58 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Rad >> >> You can give me the 1500 I buy some mtura jioni in Kibera while >> finishing to fit our slum web dev centre. >> >> None of the people there have anything new to offer. The bootcamps are >> Straths way of looting like the Kibaki's government is teaching all to >> >> On 7/8/09, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote: >> > What do you mean 'still rely on off the shelf' jameni! We can't all >> start >> > coding in assembly. >> > >> > Listen, since the cost bothers you so much, I am willing to sponsor you >> to >> > attend. Put your money where your mouth is. Provided you take copious >> notes, >> > write a comprehensive report on what you learned and upload it for >> > anyone >> in >> > this forum who cannot attend to share. We keep complaining that the >> problem >> > is sharing information yet when people attempt to share another >> > complaint >> is >> > pulled out of the hat. >> > >> > Like I said before, nothing is absolutely free. >> > >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:04 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> >> rad >> >> >> >> What kind of handson training in sofware developmeot will people who >> >> still rely on off the shelf teach me? Ingekuwa sare esp for our young >> >> ndugus in colle >> >> >> > >> >> -- >> Sent from my mobile device >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> Other lists >> ------------- >> Skunkworks announce: >>

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