Idea for Telcos: Open Platform.
Hi yall, Can one of our ever competing Telcos develop a platform and expose APIs that allow developers to plug in applications to their back-end infrastructure that they hold dear? There are many developers who want to build awesome mobile applications but they would like access to the Telcos infrastructure for the application to make business/market sense. With all these applications, come the subscribers. If there is a Telco out there willing to do the next big thing after M-PESA, then I believe this is it. Have a department of skilled developers familiar with Telco stuff and the department will be the link to the outside developers, providing knowledge, support etc that a normal developer would need to plug in. Hopefully if at all the developer is charged anything then it will be reasonable. O_o?
Maybe you should try approaching yu. they are innovative and look eager enough to adapt new ideas. Zain should be on the bottom of the list, the most they are eager enough is to change names. 2009/7/14 wesley kiriinya <kiriinya2000@yahoo.com>
Hi yall,
Can one of our ever competing Telcos develop a platform and expose APIs that allow developers to plug in applications to their back-end infrastructure that they hold dear? There are many developers who want to build awesome mobile applications but they would like access to the Telcos infrastructure for the application to make business/market sense. With all these applications, come the subscribers.
If there is a Telco out there willing to do the next big thing after M-PESA, then I believe this is it.
Have a department of skilled developers familiar with Telco stuff and the department will be the link to the outside developers, providing knowledge, support etc that a normal developer would need to plug in. Hopefully if at all the developer is charged anything then it will be reasonable.
O_o?
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Hi: The APIs to the Telcos back-end infrastructure often developed and owned by the different providers. Quite a number have made these publicly available. For example: See http://www.ericsson.com/developer/sub/warehouse/index.html GA On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Dennis Kioko<dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe you should try approaching yu. they are innovative and look eager enough to adapt new ideas. Zain should be on the bottom of the list, the most they are eager enough is to change names.
2009/7/14 wesley kiriinya <kiriinya2000@yahoo.com>
Hi yall,
Can one of our ever competing Telcos develop a platform and expose APIs that allow developers to plug in applications to their back-end infrastructure that they hold dear? There are many developers who want to build awesome mobile applications but they would like access to the Telcos infrastructure for the application to make business/market sense. With all these applications, come the subscribers.
If there is a Telco out there willing to do the next big thing after M-PESA, then I believe this is it.
Have a department of skilled developers familiar with Telco stuff and the department will be the link to the outside developers, providing knowledge, support etc that a normal developer would need to plug in. Hopefully if at all the developer is charged anything then it will be reasonable.
O_o?
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<penimbili> Well i am working on the Ericsson Service Development studio - which by the way ran me into problems with fellow peace loving skunks (search thread "Solaris 10 problems") when i tried explaining what the IP Multimedia Subsystem is and how things run in there. i concur with Wes but i dont fault the 'local' telcos that much. from what i gather independently, Safaricom, Zain (hope they still use that name) and even Yu arent that much into R&D, they just pick on the latest idea. They leave the rest to the likes of Nokia Siemens, Ericsson, Huaweii, Alcatel etc who have very good VAS Departments which i believe dont just facilitate call forwading. these are the big boys to talk to. why do you think M-Pesa, Zap ,sambaza and eneza are similar in architecture?? Answer: one provider of the technology. Atleast locally Huaweii have done some good work that i know of concerning development of services. Back to SDS, its a very good platform to start with, kudos to Ericsson. reason? it is based on the IMS which is a SIP based environment that is all IP. when you critically analyse the current communication trends and study the 3GPP2 proposed architecture, you notice a slow but sure elimination of the traditinal nodes/systems in the core network that will eventually leave an all-IP based system. Now with a well structured IP network backed with highly promising fibre optic network, you can only imagine what endless possibilities there are, we are talking of ..........(my ideas:)! well its now done to you....... God bless y'all! </penimbili> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Garum <gilbert.arum@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi:
The APIs to the Telcos back-end infrastructure often developed and owned by the different providers. Quite a number have made these publicly available. For example: See http://www.ericsson.com/developer/sub/warehouse/index.html
GA
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Dennis Kioko<dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe you should try approaching yu. they are innovative and look eager enough to adapt new ideas. Zain should be on the bottom of the list, the most they are eager enough is to change names.
2009/7/14 wesley kiriinya <kiriinya2000@yahoo.com>
Hi yall,
Can one of our ever competing Telcos develop a platform and expose APIs that allow developers to plug in applications to their back-end infrastructure that they hold dear? There are many developers who want
to
build awesome mobile applications but they would like access to the Telcos infrastructure for the application to make business/market sense. With all these applications, come the subscribers.
If there is a Telco out there willing to do the next big thing after M-PESA, then I believe this is it.
Have a department of skilled developers familiar with Telco stuff and the department will be the link to the outside developers, providing knowledge, support etc that a normal developer would need to plug in. Hopefully if at all the developer is charged anything then it will be reasonable.
O_o?
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Mobile networks using GSM are now heading towards the 4G standard, that will be all IP. Equipment makers like Ericsson have some commercial versions of 4G though I do not know any telco using the platform commercially. Which brings me to my next point, why would a new telco like YU, chose to go 2G instead of 3G? Initially I was so optimistic that they would come up with a pure 3G network and I was even ready to dump my favorite 3G network. I was in for a such, suffice is to say I was disappointed enough not to try their network. And the DVB-H used by Safaricom, where does it just fall between 3G and 4G? On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 5:24 PM, nyarotho kennedy <kenyarotho@gmail.com>wrote:
<penimbili> Well i am working on the Ericsson Service Development studio - which by the way ran me into problems with fellow peace loving skunks (search thread "Solaris 10 problems") when i tried explaining what the IP Multimedia Subsystem is and how things run in there. i concur with Wes but i dont fault the 'local' telcos that much. from what i gather independently, Safaricom, Zain (hope they still use that name) and even Yu arent that much into R&D, they just pick on the latest idea. They leave the rest to the likes of Nokia Siemens, Ericsson, Huaweii, Alcatel etc who have very good VAS Departments which i believe dont just facilitate call forwading. these are the big boys to talk to. why do you think M-Pesa, Zap ,sambaza and eneza are similar in architecture?? Answer: one provider of the technology. Atleast locally Huaweii have done some good work that i know of concerning development of services. Back to SDS, its a very good platform to start with, kudos to Ericsson. reason? it is based on the IMS which is a SIP based environment that is all IP. when you critically analyse the current communication trends and study the 3GPP2 proposed architecture, you notice a slow but sure elimination of the traditinal nodes/systems in the core network that will eventually leave an all-IP based system. Now with a well structured IP network backed with highly promising fibre optic network, you can only imagine what endless possibilities there are, we are talking of ..........(my ideas:)! well its now done to you.......
God bless y'all! </penimbili>
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Garum <gilbert.arum@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi:
The APIs to the Telcos back-end infrastructure often developed and owned by the different providers. Quite a number have made these publicly available. For example: See http://www.ericsson.com/developer/sub/warehouse/index.html
GA
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Dennis Kioko<dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe you should try approaching yu. they are innovative and look eager enough to adapt new ideas. Zain should be on the bottom of the list, the most they are eager enough is to change names.
2009/7/14 wesley kiriinya <kiriinya2000@yahoo.com>
Hi yall,
Can one of our ever competing Telcos develop a platform and expose APIs that allow developers to plug in applications to their back-end infrastructure that they hold dear? There are many developers who want
to
build awesome mobile applications but they would like access to the Telcos infrastructure for the application to make business/market sense. With all these applications, come the subscribers.
If there is a Telco out there willing to do the next big thing after M-PESA, then I believe this is it.
Have a department of skilled developers familiar with Telco stuff and the department will be the link to the outside developers, providing knowledge, support etc that a normal developer would need to plug in. Hopefully if at all the developer is charged anything then it will be reasonable.
O_o?
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According to industry rules, any new telco must cycle through all standards, ie must pay for 2G before been allowed to use 3G. So it becomes cheaper to differ a 3G launch. Thats according to one of the industry equipment manufacturers insider who is also on this list. On 14/07/2009, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
Mobile networks using GSM are now heading towards the 4G standard, that will be all IP. Equipment makers like Ericsson have some commercial versions of 4G though I do not know any telco using the platform commercially.
Which brings me to my next point, why would a new telco like YU, chose to go 2G instead of 3G? Initially I was so optimistic that they would come up with a pure 3G network and I was even ready to dump my favorite 3G network. I was in for a such, suffice is to say I was disappointed enough not to try their network.
And the DVB-H used by Safaricom, where does it just fall between 3G and 4G?
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 5:24 PM, nyarotho kennedy <kenyarotho@gmail.com>wrote:
<penimbili> Well i am working on the Ericsson Service Development studio - which by the way ran me into problems with fellow peace loving skunks (search thread "Solaris 10 problems") when i tried explaining what the IP Multimedia Subsystem is and how things run in there. i concur with Wes but i dont fault the 'local' telcos that much. from what i gather independently, Safaricom, Zain (hope they still use that name) and even Yu arent that much into R&D, they just pick on the latest idea. They leave the rest to the likes of Nokia Siemens, Ericsson, Huaweii, Alcatel etc who have very good VAS Departments which i believe dont just facilitate call forwading. these are the big boys to talk to. why do you think M-Pesa, Zap ,sambaza and eneza are similar in architecture?? Answer: one provider of the technology. Atleast locally Huaweii have done some good work that i know of concerning development of services. Back to SDS, its a very good platform to start with, kudos to Ericsson. reason? it is based on the IMS which is a SIP based environment that is all IP. when you critically analyse the current communication trends and study the 3GPP2 proposed architecture, you notice a slow but sure elimination of the traditinal nodes/systems in the core network that will eventually leave an all-IP based system. Now with a well structured IP network backed with highly promising fibre optic network, you can only imagine what endless possibilities there are, we are talking of ..........(my ideas:)! well its now done to you.......
God bless y'all! </penimbili>
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Garum <gilbert.arum@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi:
The APIs to the Telcos back-end infrastructure often developed and owned by the different providers. Quite a number have made these publicly available. For example: See http://www.ericsson.com/developer/sub/warehouse/index.html
GA
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Dennis Kioko<dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe you should try approaching yu. they are innovative and look eager enough to adapt new ideas. Zain should be on the bottom of the list, the most they are eager enough is to change names.
2009/7/14 wesley kiriinya <kiriinya2000@yahoo.com>
Hi yall,
Can one of our ever competing Telcos develop a platform and expose APIs that allow developers to plug in applications to their back-end infrastructure that they hold dear? There are many developers who want
to
build awesome mobile applications but they would like access to the Telcos infrastructure for the application to make business/market sense. With all these applications, come the subscribers.
If there is a Telco out there willing to do the next big thing after M-PESA, then I believe this is it.
Have a department of skilled developers familiar with Telco stuff and the department will be the link to the outside developers, providing knowledge, support etc that a normal developer would need to plug in. Hopefully if at all the developer is charged anything then it will be reasonable.
O_o?
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Well, if these are the 'rules', then I think we are headed the wrong direction. The Government (CCK) should discoruage the use of obsolete technology and encourage operators to use the most current technologies and standards available. Why would one want to pay for a 2G license in a 4G era? Unless someone is really making a lot of money on the deals, they don't make sense. No wonder I heard KBC (now on the brink of collapse) purchase billions of shillings worth of AM, MW and SW equipment just when the whole world was going FM and digital. And now apart from having unless equipment, they foot KES 30 Million for electric every month. I this we have a case of failed leadership. So they will force new internet consumers to cycle from using 19.2 kbps modems before being allowed to use the fiber optic then. On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
According to industry rules, any new telco must cycle through all standards, ie must pay for 2G before been allowed to use 3G. So it becomes cheaper to differ a 3G launch. Thats according to one of the industry equipment manufacturers insider who is also on this list.
On 14/07/2009, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
Mobile networks using GSM are now heading towards the 4G standard, that will be all IP. Equipment makers like Ericsson have some commercial versions of 4G though I do not know any telco using the platform commercially.
Which brings me to my next point, why would a new telco like YU, chose to go 2G instead of 3G? Initially I was so optimistic that they would come up with a pure 3G network and I was even ready to dump my favorite 3G network. I was in for a such, suffice is to say I was disappointed enough not to try their network.
And the DVB-H used by Safaricom, where does it just fall between 3G and 4G?
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 5:24 PM, nyarotho kennedy <kenyarotho@gmail.com>wrote:
<penimbili> Well i am working on the Ericsson Service Development studio - which by the way ran me into problems with fellow peace loving skunks (search thread "Solaris 10 problems") when i tried explaining what the IP Multimedia Subsystem is and how things run in there. i concur with Wes but i dont fault the 'local' telcos that much. from what i gather independently, Safaricom, Zain (hope they still use that name) and even Yu arent that much into R&D, they just pick on the latest idea. They leave the rest to the likes of Nokia Siemens, Ericsson, Huaweii, Alcatel etc who have very good VAS Departments which i believe dont just facilitate call forwading. these are the big boys to talk to. why do you think M-Pesa, Zap ,sambaza and eneza are similar in architecture?? Answer: one provider of the technology. Atleast locally Huaweii have done some good work that i know of concerning development of services. Back to SDS, its a very good platform to start with, kudos to Ericsson. reason? it is based on the IMS which is a SIP based environment that is all IP. when you critically analyse the current communication trends and study the 3GPP2 proposed architecture, you notice a slow but sure elimination of the traditinal nodes/systems in the core network that will eventually leave an all-IP based system. Now with a well structured IP network backed with highly promising fibre optic network, you can only imagine what endless possibilities there are, we are talking of ..........(my ideas:)! well its now done to you.......
God bless y'all! </penimbili>
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Garum <gilbert.arum@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi:
The APIs to the Telcos back-end infrastructure often developed and owned by the different providers. Quite a number have made these publicly available. For example: See http://www.ericsson.com/developer/sub/warehouse/index.html
GA
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Dennis Kioko<dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe you should try approaching yu. they are innovative and look eager enough to adapt new ideas. Zain should be on the bottom of the list, the most they are eager enough is to change names.
2009/7/14 wesley kiriinya <kiriinya2000@yahoo.com>
Hi yall,
Can one of our ever competing Telcos develop a platform and expose APIs that allow developers to plug in applications to their back-end infrastructure that they hold dear? There are many developers who
want to
build awesome mobile applications but they would like access to the Telcos infrastructure for the application to make business/market sense. With all these applications, come the subscribers.
If there is a Telco out there willing to do the next big thing after M-PESA, then I believe this is it.
Have a department of skilled developers familiar with Telco stuff and the department will be the link to the outside developers, providing knowledge, support etc that a normal developer would need to plug in. Hopefully if at all the developer is charged anything then it will be reasonable.
O_o?
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Just to remind you guys before you blame the telcos and CCK for not using the new technologies especially on the gsm platform. Most guys in kenya can only afford 2G, actually majority have these devices so changing to the whole new 3G platform will render them useless without. Until recently 2.5G devices where quite expensive, now we are switching to 3G pioneered by Safcom but still the devices are way off the price range of an average kenyan. Now you speak of 4G, and even the technology is not fully implemented not to mention that devices are yet to be commercially available. Just like the wimax infrastructure, ever ask why ISPs use fixed and LOS equipment and not the mobile wimax which could compete with gsm providers. Simple the platforms are still on pilot basis and standards yet to be set. For now just be happy with what is provided and enlighten people to adopt the new ways so that it becomes cheaper so we can get to newer technologies faster. My opinion! On 7/14/09, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, if these are the 'rules', then I think we are headed the wrong direction. The Government (CCK) should discoruage the use of obsolete technology and encourage operators to use the most current technologies and standards available. Why would one want to pay for a 2G license in a 4G era? Unless someone is really making a lot of money on the deals, they don't make sense.
No wonder I heard KBC (now on the brink of collapse) purchase billions of shillings worth of AM, MW and SW equipment just when the whole world was going FM and digital. And now apart from having unless equipment, they foot KES 30 Million for electric every month.
I this we have a case of failed leadership.
So they will force new internet consumers to cycle from using 19.2 kbps modems before being allowed to use the fiber optic then.
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
According to industry rules, any new telco must cycle through all standards, ie must pay for 2G before been allowed to use 3G. So it becomes cheaper to differ a 3G launch. Thats according to one of the industry equipment manufacturers insider who is also on this list.
On 14/07/2009, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
Mobile networks using GSM are now heading towards the 4G standard, that will be all IP. Equipment makers like Ericsson have some commercial versions of 4G though I do not know any telco using the platform commercially.
Which brings me to my next point, why would a new telco like YU, chose to go 2G instead of 3G? Initially I was so optimistic that they would come up with a pure 3G network and I was even ready to dump my favorite 3G network. I was in for a such, suffice is to say I was disappointed enough not to try their network.
And the DVB-H used by Safaricom, where does it just fall between 3G and 4G?
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 5:24 PM, nyarotho kennedy <kenyarotho@gmail.com>wrote:
<penimbili> Well i am working on the Ericsson Service Development studio - which by the way ran me into problems with fellow peace loving skunks (search thread "Solaris 10 problems") when i tried explaining what the IP Multimedia Subsystem is and how things run in there. i concur with Wes but i dont fault the 'local' telcos that much. from what i gather independently, Safaricom, Zain (hope they still use that name) and even Yu arent that much into R&D, they just pick on the latest idea. They leave the rest to the likes of Nokia Siemens, Ericsson, Huaweii, Alcatel etc who have very good VAS Departments which i believe dont just facilitate call forwading. these are the big boys to talk to. why do you think M-Pesa, Zap ,sambaza and eneza are similar in architecture?? Answer: one provider of the technology. Atleast locally Huaweii have done some good work that i know of concerning development of services. Back to SDS, its a very good platform to start with, kudos to Ericsson. reason? it is based on the IMS which is a SIP based environment that is all IP. when you critically analyse the current communication trends and study the 3GPP2 proposed architecture, you notice a slow but sure elimination of the traditinal nodes/systems in the core network that will eventually leave an all-IP based system. Now with a well structured IP network backed with highly promising fibre optic network, you can only imagine what endless possibilities there are, we are talking of ..........(my ideas:)! well its now done to you.......
God bless y'all! </penimbili>
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Garum <gilbert.arum@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi:
The APIs to the Telcos back-end infrastructure often developed and owned by the different providers. Quite a number have made these publicly available. For example: See http://www.ericsson.com/developer/sub/warehouse/index.html
GA
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Dennis Kioko<dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe you should try approaching yu. they are innovative and look eager enough to adapt new ideas. Zain should be on the bottom of the list, the most they are eager enough is to change names.
2009/7/14 wesley kiriinya <kiriinya2000@yahoo.com> > > Hi yall, > > Can one of our ever competing Telcos develop a platform and expose > APIs > that allow developers to plug in applications to their back-end > infrastructure that they hold dear? There are many developers who want to > build awesome mobile applications but they would like access to the Telcos > infrastructure for the application to make business/market sense. With all > these applications, come the subscribers. > > If there is a Telco out there willing to do the next big thing > after > M-PESA, then I believe this is it. > > Have a department of skilled developers familiar with Telco stuff and the > department will be the link to the outside developers, providing knowledge, > support etc that a normal developer would need to plug in. > Hopefully > if at > all the developer is charged anything then it will be reasonable. > > O_o? > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > Other lists > ------------- > Skunkworks announce: > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >
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About the rules, apparently those are world wide rules. You dont have to use the equipment, but you have to cover for 2G fee before they sell you 3G equipment. I think its equipment manufacturers way of covering the large capital required for new technology. As for 3G, telcos implement 3G before people buy equipment. The equipment is affordable. Huawei has even got low cost 3G phones (which are poorly described on their website). So 3G is affordable. On 14/07/2009, Job Njogu <jnjogu@gmail.com> wrote:
Just to remind you guys before you blame the telcos and CCK for not using the new technologies especially on the gsm platform. Most guys in kenya can only afford 2G, actually majority have these devices so changing to the whole new 3G platform will render them useless without. Until recently 2.5G devices where quite expensive, now we are switching to 3G pioneered by Safcom but still the devices are way off the price range of an average kenyan. Now you speak of 4G, and even the technology is not fully implemented not to mention that devices are yet to be commercially available. Just like the wimax infrastructure, ever ask why ISPs use fixed and LOS equipment and not the mobile wimax which could compete with gsm providers. Simple the platforms are still on pilot basis and standards yet to be set. For now just be happy with what is provided and enlighten people to adopt the new ways so that it becomes cheaper so we can get to newer technologies faster. My opinion!
On 7/14/09, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, if these are the 'rules', then I think we are headed the wrong direction. The Government (CCK) should discoruage the use of obsolete technology and encourage operators to use the most current technologies and standards available. Why would one want to pay for a 2G license in a 4G era? Unless someone is really making a lot of money on the deals, they don't make sense.
No wonder I heard KBC (now on the brink of collapse) purchase billions of shillings worth of AM, MW and SW equipment just when the whole world was going FM and digital. And now apart from having unless equipment, they foot KES 30 Million for electric every month.
I this we have a case of failed leadership.
So they will force new internet consumers to cycle from using 19.2 kbps modems before being allowed to use the fiber optic then.
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
According to industry rules, any new telco must cycle through all standards, ie must pay for 2G before been allowed to use 3G. So it becomes cheaper to differ a 3G launch. Thats according to one of the industry equipment manufacturers insider who is also on this list.
On 14/07/2009, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
Mobile networks using GSM are now heading towards the 4G standard, that will be all IP. Equipment makers like Ericsson have some commercial versions of 4G though I do not know any telco using the platform commercially.
Which brings me to my next point, why would a new telco like YU, chose to go 2G instead of 3G? Initially I was so optimistic that they would come up with a pure 3G network and I was even ready to dump my favorite 3G network. I was in for a such, suffice is to say I was disappointed enough not to try their network.
And the DVB-H used by Safaricom, where does it just fall between 3G and 4G?
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 5:24 PM, nyarotho kennedy <kenyarotho@gmail.com>wrote:
<penimbili> Well i am working on the Ericsson Service Development studio - which by the way ran me into problems with fellow peace loving skunks (search thread "Solaris 10 problems") when i tried explaining what the IP Multimedia Subsystem is and how things run in there. i concur with Wes but i dont fault the 'local' telcos that much. from what i gather independently, Safaricom, Zain (hope they still use that name) and even Yu arent that much into R&D, they just pick on the latest idea. They leave the rest to the likes of Nokia Siemens, Ericsson, Huaweii, Alcatel etc who have very good VAS Departments which i believe dont just facilitate call forwading. these are the big boys to talk to. why do you think M-Pesa, Zap ,sambaza and eneza are similar in architecture?? Answer: one provider of the technology. Atleast locally Huaweii have done some good work that i know of concerning development of services. Back to SDS, its a very good platform to start with, kudos to Ericsson. reason? it is based on the IMS which is a SIP based environment that is all IP. when you critically analyse the current communication trends and study the 3GPP2 proposed architecture, you notice a slow but sure elimination of the traditinal nodes/systems in the core network that will eventually leave an all-IP based system. Now with a well structured IP network backed with highly promising fibre optic network, you can only imagine what endless possibilities there are, we are talking of ..........(my ideas:)! well its now done to you.......
God bless y'all! </penimbili>
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Garum <gilbert.arum@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi:
The APIs to the Telcos back-end infrastructure often developed and owned by the different providers. Quite a number have made these publicly available. For example: See http://www.ericsson.com/developer/sub/warehouse/index.html
GA
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Dennis Kioko<dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote: > Maybe you should try approaching yu. they are innovative and look eager > enough to adapt new ideas. Zain should be on the bottom of the > list, > the > most they are eager enough is to change names. > > 2009/7/14 wesley kiriinya <kiriinya2000@yahoo.com> >> >> Hi yall, >> >> Can one of our ever competing Telcos develop a platform and expose >> APIs >> that allow developers to plug in applications to their back-end >> infrastructure that they hold dear? There are many developers who want to >> build awesome mobile applications but they would like access to >> the Telcos >> infrastructure for the application to make business/market sense. With all >> these applications, come the subscribers. >> >> If there is a Telco out there willing to do the next big thing >> after >> M-PESA, then I believe this is it. >> >> Have a department of skilled developers familiar with Telco stuff and the >> department will be the link to the outside developers, providing knowledge, >> support etc that a normal developer would need to plug in. >> Hopefully >> if at >> all the developer is charged anything then it will be reasonable. >> >> O_o? >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> Other lists >> ------------- >> Skunkworks announce: >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >> Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >> kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >> > > > > -- > with Regards: > Nairobi Eastlands, how the Mungiki reduce crime, at a fee. Only at > my blog: > http://gramware.blogspot.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > Other lists > ------------- > Skunkworks announce: > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general > > _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Skunkworks announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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As for 3G equipment, there is a huawei 3G phone for 7,999 from Safaricom on Daily Nation page 54. 2009/7/15 Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com>
About the rules, apparently those are world wide rules. You dont have to use the equipment, but you have to cover for 2G fee before they sell you 3G equipment. I think its equipment manufacturers way of covering the large capital required for new technology. As for 3G, telcos implement 3G before people buy equipment. The equipment is affordable. Huawei has even got low cost 3G phones (which are poorly described on their website). So 3G is affordable.
On 14/07/2009, Job Njogu <jnjogu@gmail.com> wrote:
Just to remind you guys before you blame the telcos and CCK for not using the new technologies especially on the gsm platform. Most guys in kenya can only afford 2G, actually majority have these devices so changing to the whole new 3G platform will render them useless without. Until recently 2.5G devices where quite expensive, now we are switching to 3G pioneered by Safcom but still the devices are way off the price range of an average kenyan. Now you speak of 4G, and even the technology is not fully implemented not to mention that devices are yet to be commercially available. Just like the wimax infrastructure, ever ask why ISPs use fixed and LOS equipment and not the mobile wimax which could compete with gsm providers. Simple the platforms are still on pilot basis and standards yet to be set. For now just be happy with what is provided and enlighten people to adopt the new ways so that it becomes cheaper so we can get to newer technologies faster. My opinion!
On 7/14/09, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, if these are the 'rules', then I think we are headed the wrong direction. The Government (CCK) should discoruage the use of obsolete technology and encourage operators to use the most current technologies and standards available. Why would one want to pay for a 2G license in a 4G era? Unless someone is really making a lot of money on the deals, they don't make sense.
No wonder I heard KBC (now on the brink of collapse) purchase billions of shillings worth of AM, MW and SW equipment just when the whole world was going FM and digital. And now apart from having unless equipment, they foot KES 30 Million for electric every month.
I this we have a case of failed leadership.
So they will force new internet consumers to cycle from using 19.2 kbps modems before being allowed to use the fiber optic then.
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
According to industry rules, any new telco must cycle through all standards, ie must pay for 2G before been allowed to use 3G. So it becomes cheaper to differ a 3G launch. Thats according to one of the industry equipment manufacturers insider who is also on this list.
On 14/07/2009, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
Mobile networks using GSM are now heading towards the 4G standard, that will be all IP. Equipment makers like Ericsson have some commercial versions of 4G though I do not know any telco using the platform commercially.
Which brings me to my next point, why would a new telco like YU, chose to go 2G instead of 3G? Initially I was so optimistic that they would come up with a pure 3G network and I was even ready to dump my favorite 3G network. I was in for a such, suffice is to say I was disappointed enough not to try their network.
And the DVB-H used by Safaricom, where does it just fall between 3G and 4G?
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 5:24 PM, nyarotho kennedy <kenyarotho@gmail.com>wrote:
<penimbili> Well i am working on the Ericsson Service Development studio - which by the way ran me into problems with fellow peace loving skunks (search thread "Solaris 10 problems") when i tried explaining what the IP Multimedia Subsystem is and how things run in there. i concur with Wes but i dont fault the 'local' telcos that much. from what i gather independently, Safaricom, Zain (hope they still use that name) and even Yu arent that much into R&D, they just pick on the latest idea. They leave the rest to the likes of Nokia Siemens, Ericsson, Huaweii, Alcatel etc who have very good VAS Departments which i believe dont just facilitate call forwading. these are the big boys to talk to. why do you think M-Pesa, Zap ,sambaza and eneza are similar in architecture?? Answer: one provider of the technology. Atleast locally Huaweii have done some good work that i know of concerning development of services. Back to SDS, its a very good platform to start with, kudos to Ericsson. reason? it is based on the IMS which is a SIP based environment that is all IP. when you critically analyse the current communication trends and study the 3GPP2 proposed architecture, you notice a slow but sure elimination of the traditinal nodes/systems in the core network that will eventually leave an all-IP based system. Now with a well structured IP network backed with highly promising fibre optic network, you can only imagine what endless possibilities there are, we are talking of ..........(my ideas:)! well its now done to you.......
God bless y'all! </penimbili>
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Garum <gilbert.arum@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi: > > The APIs to the Telcos back-end infrastructure often developed and > owned by the different providers. Quite a number have made these > publicly available. For example: See > http://www.ericsson.com/developer/sub/warehouse/index.html > > GA > > > On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Dennis Kioko<dmbuvi@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Maybe you should try approaching yu. they are innovative and look eager > > enough to adapt new ideas. Zain should be on the bottom of the > > list, > > the > > most they are eager enough is to change names. > > > > 2009/7/14 wesley kiriinya <kiriinya2000@yahoo.com> > >> > >> Hi yall, > >> > >> Can one of our ever competing Telcos develop a platform and expose > >> APIs > >> that allow developers to plug in applications to their back-end > >> infrastructure that they hold dear? There are many developers who want > to > >> build awesome mobile applications but they would like access to > >> the > Telcos > >> infrastructure for the application to make business/market sense. With > all > >> these applications, come the subscribers. > >> > >> If there is a Telco out there willing to do the next big thing > >> after > >> M-PESA, then I believe this is it. > >> > >> Have a department of skilled developers familiar with Telco stuff and > the > >> department will be the link to the outside developers, providing > knowledge, > >> support etc that a normal developer would need to plug in. > >> Hopefully > >> if > at > >> all the developer is charged anything then it will be reasonable. > >> > >> O_o? > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Skunkworks mailing list > >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > >> Other lists > >> ------------- > >> Skunkworks announce: > >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > >> Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > >> kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > with Regards: > > Nairobi Eastlands, how the Mungiki reduce crime, at a fee. Only at > > my > blog: > > http://gramware.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Skunkworks mailing list > > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > Other lists > > ------------- > > Skunkworks announce: > > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > > Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > > kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > Other lists > ------------- > Skunkworks announce: > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >
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