2009/7/15 Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com>

About the rules, apparently those are world wide rules. You dont have
to use the equipment, but you have to cover for 2G fee before they
sell you 3G equipment. I think its equipment manufacturers way of
covering the large capital required for new technology.
As for 3G, telcos implement 3G before people buy equipment. The
equipment is affordable. Huawei has even got low cost 3G phones (which
are poorly described on their website). So 3G is affordable.

On 14/07/2009, Job Njogu <jnjogu@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just to remind you guys before you blame the telcos and CCK for not
> using the new technologies especially on the gsm platform. Most guys
> in kenya can only afford 2G, actually majority have these devices so
> changing to the whole new 3G platform will render them useless
> without. Until recently 2.5G devices where quite expensive, now we are
> switching to 3G pioneered by Safcom but still the devices are way off
> the price range of an average kenyan. Now you speak of 4G, and even
> the technology is not fully implemented not to mention that devices
> are yet to be commercially available. Just like the wimax
> infrastructure, ever ask why ISPs use fixed and LOS equipment and not
> the mobile wimax which could compete with gsm providers. Simple the
> platforms are still on pilot basis and standards yet to be set. For
> now just be happy with what is provided and enlighten people to adopt
> the new ways so that it becomes cheaper so we can get to newer
> technologies faster. My opinion!
>
> On 7/14/09, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Well, if these are the 'rules', then I think we are headed the wrong
>> direction. The Government (CCK) should discoruage the use of obsolete
>> technology and encourage operators to use the most current technologies
>> and
>> standards available. Why would one want to pay for a 2G license in a 4G
>> era?
>> Unless someone is really making a lot of money on the deals, they don't
>> make
>> sense.
>>
>> No wonder I heard KBC (now on the brink of collapse) purchase billions of
>> shillings worth of AM, MW and SW equipment just when the whole world was
>> going FM and digital. And now apart from having unless equipment, they
>> foot
>> KES 30 Million for electric every month.
>>
>> I this we have a case of failed leadership.
>>
>> So they will force new internet consumers to cycle from using 19.2 kbps
>> modems before being allowed to use the fiber optic then.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> According to industry rules, any new telco must cycle through all
>>> standards, ie must pay for 2G before been allowed to use 3G. So it
>>> becomes cheaper to differ a 3G launch. Thats according to one of the
>>> industry equipment manufacturers insider who is also on this list.
>>>
>>> On 14/07/2009, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Mobile networks using GSM are now heading towards the 4G standard, that
>>> will
>>> > be all IP. Equipment makers like Ericsson have some commercial versions
>>> of
>>> > 4G though I do not know any telco using the platform commercially.
>>> >
>>> > Which brings me to my next point, why would a new telco like YU, chose
>>> > to
>>> go
>>> > 2G instead of 3G? Initially I was so optimistic that they would come up
>>> with
>>> > a pure 3G network and I was even ready to dump my favorite 3G network.
>>> > I
>>> was
>>> > in for a such, suffice is to say I was disappointed enough not to try
>>> their
>>> > network.
>>> >
>>> > And the DVB-H used by Safaricom, where does it just fall between 3G and
>>> 4G?
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 5:24 PM, nyarotho kennedy
>>> > <kenyarotho@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> <penimbili>
>>> >> Well i am working on the Ericsson Service Development studio - which
>>> >> by
>>> >> the
>>> >> way ran me into problems with fellow peace loving skunks (search
>>> >> thread
>>> >> "Solaris 10 problems") when i tried explaining what the IP Multimedia
>>> >> Subsystem is and how things run in there. i concur with Wes but i dont
>>> >> fault
>>> >> the 'local' telcos that much. from what i gather independently,
>>> Safaricom,
>>> >> Zain (hope they still use that name) and even Yu arent that much into
>>> R&D,
>>> >> they just pick on the latest idea. They leave the rest to the likes of
>>> >> Nokia
>>> >> Siemens, Ericsson, Huaweii, Alcatel etc who have very good VAS
>>> Departments
>>> >> which i believe dont just facilitate call forwading. these are the big
>>> >> boys
>>> >> to talk to. why do you think M-Pesa, Zap ,sambaza and eneza are
>>> >> similar
>>> in
>>> >> architecture?? Answer: one provider of the technology. Atleast locally
>>> >> Huaweii have done some good work that i know of concerning development
>>> of
>>> >> services. Back to SDS, its a very good platform to start with, kudos
>>> >> to
>>> >> Ericsson. reason? it is based on the IMS which is a SIP based
>>> environment
>>> >> that is all IP. when you critically analyse the current communication
>>> >> trends
>>> >> and study the 3GPP2 proposed architecture, you notice a slow but sure
>>> >> elimination of the traditinal nodes/systems in the core network that
>>> will
>>> >> eventually leave an all-IP based system. Now with a well structured IP
>>> >> network backed with highly promising fibre optic network, you can only
>>> >> imagine what endless possibilities there are, we are talking of
>>> >> ..........(my ideas:)! well its now done to you.......
>>> >>
>>> >> God bless y'all!
>>> >> </penimbili>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Garum <gilbert.arum@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Hi:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> The APIs to the Telcos back-end infrastructure often developed and
>>> >>> owned by the different providers. Quite a number have made these
>>> >>> publicly available. For example: See
>>> >>> http://www.ericsson.com/developer/sub/warehouse/index.html
>>> >>>
>>> >>> GA
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Dennis Kioko<dmbuvi@gmail.com>
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>> > Maybe you should try approaching yu. they are innovative and look
>>> eager
>>> >>> > enough to adapt new ideas. Zain should be on the bottom of the
>>> >>> > list,
>>> >>> > the
>>> >>> > most they are eager enough is to change names.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > 2009/7/14 wesley kiriinya <kiriinya2000@yahoo.com>
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> Hi yall,
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> Can one of our ever competing Telcos develop a platform and expose
>>> >>> >> APIs
>>> >>> >> that allow developers to plug in applications to their back-end
>>> >>> >> infrastructure that they hold dear? There are many developers who
>>> want
>>> >>> to
>>> >>> >> build awesome mobile applications but they would like access to
>>> >>> >> the
>>> >>> Telcos
>>> >>> >> infrastructure for the application to make business/market sense.
>>> With
>>> >>> all
>>> >>> >> these applications, come the subscribers.
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> If there is a Telco out there willing to do the next big thing
>>> >>> >> after
>>> >>> >> M-PESA, then I believe this is it.
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> Have a department of skilled developers familiar with Telco stuff
>>> and
>>> >>> the
>>> >>> >> department will be the link to the outside developers, providing
>>> >>> knowledge,
>>> >>> >> support etc that a normal developer would need to plug in.
>>> >>> >> Hopefully
>>> >>> >> if
>>> >>> at
>>> >>> >> all the developer is charged anything then it will be reasonable.
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> O_o?
>>> >>> >>
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