*Startimes local channels*
Hi Good People, Forgive me if this appears like a double post, but there was a previous post about Startimes. I wanted to find out if one would still be able to access local channels when one's subscription expires. It was posted a few months ago and 'early adopters' were still waiting for their subscriptions to expire in order to respond whether local channels would be accessible. Anyone? Thanks in advance. KR, Joseph.
NOPE..a big NO; On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 12:30 AM, Joseph Tintale <jayxtintale@gmail.com>wrote:
Hi Good People, Forgive me if this appears like a double post, but there was a previous post about Startimes. I wanted to find out if one would still be able to access local channels when one's subscription expires. It was posted a few months ago and 'early adopters' were still waiting for their subscriptions to expire in order to respond whether local channels would be accessible. Anyone? Thanks in advance.
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only KBC shows On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 6:28 AM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
NOPE..a big NO;
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 12:30 AM, Joseph Tintale <jayxtintale@gmail.com>wrote:
Hi Good People, Forgive me if this appears like a double post, but there was a previous post about Startimes. I wanted to find out if one would still be able to access local channels when one's subscription expires. It was posted a few months ago and 'early adopters' were still waiting for their subscriptions to expire in order to respond whether local channels would be accessible. Anyone? Thanks in advance.
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Yep..the same for GOTV..only KBC On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Patrick Karanja <wabethi@gmail.com> wrote:
only KBC shows
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 6:28 AM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
NOPE..a big NO;
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 12:30 AM, Joseph Tintale <jayxtintale@gmail.com>wrote:
Hi Good People, Forgive me if this appears like a double post, but there was a previous post about Startimes. I wanted to find out if one would still be able to access local channels when one's subscription expires. It was posted a few months ago and 'early adopters' were still waiting for their subscriptions to expire in order to respond whether local channels would be accessible. Anyone? Thanks in advance.
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& the PS said that if they restrict you on the free to air channels, then they are not following the law - all it will take is some lawyer to challenge them in court and all may be fine one day ./Ok3ch On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 7:00 AM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
Yep..the same for GOTV..only KBC
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Patrick Karanja <wabethi@gmail.com> wrote:
only KBC shows
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 6:28 AM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
NOPE..a big NO;
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 12:30 AM, Joseph Tintale <jayxtintale@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Good People, Forgive me if this appears like a double post, but there was a previous post about Startimes. I wanted to find out if one would still be able to access local channels when one's subscription expires. It was posted a few months ago and 'early adopters' were still waiting for their subscriptions to expire in order to respond whether local channels would be accessible. Anyone? Thanks in advance.
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Thank you all for the responses. KR On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 8:48 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
& the PS said that if they restrict you on the free to air channels, then they are not following the law - all it will take is some lawyer to challenge them in court and all may be fine one day
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 7:00 AM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
Yep..the same for GOTV..only KBC
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Patrick Karanja <wabethi@gmail.com> wrote:
only KBC shows
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 6:28 AM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
NOPE..a big NO;
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 12:30 AM, Joseph Tintale <jayxtintale@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi Good People, Forgive me if this appears like a double post, but there was a previous post about Startimes. I wanted to find out if one would still be able to access local channels when one's subscription expires. It was posted a few months ago and 'early adopters' were still waiting for their subscriptions to expire in order to respond whether local channels would be accessible. Anyone? Thanks in advance.
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The challenge is actually on the business model, startimes gives the broadcasters the option of putting them in their "premium" pool at no expense to them (the broadcasters) or in the "free" pool at their own expense, some of these costs are rather steep considering the uptake, Something that at this momemt is a rather "hard to justify" for most providers, So many opt for the paid version which sadly is a Win - Lose against the consumers... On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 8:48 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
& the PS said that if they restrict you on the free to air channels, then they are not following the law - all it will take is some lawyer to challenge them in court and all may be fine one day
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 7:00 AM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
Yep..the same for GOTV..only KBC
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Patrick Karanja <wabethi@gmail.com> wrote:
only KBC shows
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 6:28 AM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
NOPE..a big NO;
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 12:30 AM, Joseph Tintale <jayxtintale@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi Good People, Forgive me if this appears like a double post, but there was a previous post about Startimes. I wanted to find out if one would still be able to access local channels when one's subscription expires. It was posted a few months ago and 'early adopters' were still waiting for their subscriptions to expire in order to respond whether local channels would be accessible. Anyone? Thanks in advance.
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i doubt it...for quite a while I have tried getting to those documents or a statute that mentions all those things that get 'said'. For instance what is a 'free' channel? So i'd harzard that startimes have no business showing any channel if you dont pay. And if it comes to 'free' channels, I imagine they will only will only show KBC probably because they are a national broadcaster, not because its free, and even that would be KBC channel 1. Why? well imagine if I came up with a free channel to show whatever, who decides that it is free and should be delivered? who pays for that resource? what incentive so to ask does startimes have to deliver citizen tv to your house? there is nothing like 'TV delivery neutrality:-)' to borrow from net neutrality:-) that discussion as far as I know was never had, if it was, i doubt something came out of it. jgitau On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 8:48 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
& the PS said that if they restrict you on the free to air channels, then they are not following the law - all it will take is some lawyer to challenge them in court and all may be fine one day
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 7:00 AM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
Yep..the same for GOTV..only KBC
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Patrick Karanja <wabethi@gmail.com> wrote:
only KBC shows
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 6:28 AM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
NOPE..a big NO;
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 12:30 AM, Joseph Tintale <jayxtintale@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi Good People, Forgive me if this appears like a double post, but there was a previous post about Startimes. I wanted to find out if one would still be able to access local channels when one's subscription expires. It was posted a few months ago and 'early adopters' were still waiting for their subscriptions to expire in order to respond whether local channels would be accessible. Anyone? Thanks in advance.
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Gitau, these guyz are licensed as digital TV service providers, and there must be something in their licenses that makes the CCK & The PS say they are breaking the law. I have no idea, but these two cannot just wake up and say something like this without having some legal backing. All your are saying about free channels is all in your mind and not on the dotted lines their signed. maybe thay signed that free channel is KBC1, I do not know. ./Ok3ch On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 9:01 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
i doubt it...for quite a while I have tried getting to those documents or a statute that mentions all those things that get 'said'. For instance what is a 'free' channel? So i'd harzard that startimes have no business showing any channel if you dont pay. And if it comes to 'free' channels, I imagine they will only will only show KBC probably because they are a national broadcaster, not because its free, and even that would be KBC channel 1.
Why? well imagine if I came up with a free channel to show whatever, who decides that it is free and should be delivered? who pays for that resource? what incentive so to ask does startimes have to deliver citizen tv to your house? there is nothing like 'TV delivery neutrality:-)' to borrow from net neutrality:-) that discussion as far as I know was never had, if it was, i doubt something came out of it.
jgitau
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 8:48 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
& the PS said that if they restrict you on the free to air channels, then they are not following the law - all it will take is some lawyer to challenge them in court and all may be fine one day
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 7:00 AM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
Yep..the same for GOTV..only KBC
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Patrick Karanja <wabethi@gmail.com> wrote:
only KBC shows
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 6:28 AM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
NOPE..a big NO;
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 12:30 AM, Joseph Tintale <jayxtintale@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Good People, Forgive me if this appears like a double post, but there was a previous post about Startimes. I wanted to find out if one would still be able to access local channels when one's subscription expires. It was posted a few months ago and 'early adopters' were still waiting for their subscriptions to expire in order to respond whether local channels would be accessible. Anyone? Thanks in advance.
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mhh is there a list of free to air channels ? On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Gitau, these guyz are licensed as digital TV service providers, and there must be something in their licenses that makes the CCK & The PS say they are breaking the law. I have no idea, but these two cannot just wake up and say something like this without having some legal backing. All your are saying about free channels is all in your mind and not on the dotted lines their signed. maybe thay signed that free channel is KBC1, I do not know.
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 9:01 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
i doubt it...for quite a while I have tried getting to those documents or a statute that mentions all those things that get 'said'. For instance what is a 'free' channel? So i'd harzard that startimes have no business showing any channel if you dont pay. And if it comes to 'free' channels, I imagine they will only will only show KBC probably because they are a national broadcaster, not because its free, and even that would be KBC channel 1.
Why? well imagine if I came up with a free channel to show whatever, who decides that it is free and should be delivered? who pays for that resource? what incentive so to ask does startimes have to deliver citizen tv to your house? there is nothing like 'TV delivery neutrality:-)' to borrow from net neutrality:-) that discussion as far as I know was never had, if it was, i doubt something came out of it.
jgitau
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 8:48 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
& the PS said that if they restrict you on the free to air channels, then they are not following the law - all it will take is some lawyer to challenge them in court and all may be fine one day
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 7:00 AM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
Yep..the same for GOTV..only KBC
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Patrick Karanja <wabethi@gmail.com> wrote:
only KBC shows
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 6:28 AM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
NOPE..a big NO;
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 12:30 AM, Joseph Tintale <jayxtintale@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Good People, > Forgive me if this appears like a double post, but there was a > previous post about Startimes. I wanted to find out if one would > still > be able to access local channels when one's subscription expires.
It
> was posted a few months ago and 'early adopters' were still waiting > for their subscriptions to expire in order to respond whether local > channels would be accessible. Anyone? Thanks in advance. > > KR, > Joseph. > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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A list of the available free to air channels after the end of a subscription or during an active subscription? On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 9:28 AM, geoffrey gitagia <ggitagia@gmail.com> wrote:
mhh is there a list of free to air channels ?
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Gitau, these guyz are licensed as digital TV service providers, and there must be something in their licenses that makes the CCK & The PS say they are breaking the law. I have no idea, but these two cannot just wake up and say something like this without having some legal backing. All your are saying about free channels is all in your mind and not on the dotted lines their signed. maybe thay signed that free channel is KBC1, I do not know.
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 9:01 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
i doubt it...for quite a while I have tried getting to those documents or a statute that mentions all those things that get 'said'. For instance what is a 'free' channel? So i'd harzard that startimes have no business showing any channel if you dont pay. And if it comes to 'free' channels, I imagine they will only will only show KBC probably because they are a national broadcaster, not because its free, and even that would be KBC channel 1.
Why? well imagine if I came up with a free channel to show whatever, who decides that it is free and should be delivered? who pays for that resource? what incentive so to ask does startimes have to deliver citizen tv to your house? there is nothing like 'TV delivery neutrality:-)' to borrow from net neutrality:-) that discussion as far as I know was never had, if it was, i doubt something came out of it.
jgitau
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 8:48 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
& the PS said that if they restrict you on the free to air channels, then they are not following the law - all it will take is some lawyer to challenge them in court and all may be fine one day
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 7:00 AM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
Yep..the same for GOTV..only KBC
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Patrick Karanja <wabethi@gmail.com> wrote:
only KBC shows
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 6:28 AM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote: > > NOPE..a big NO; > > > On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 12:30 AM, Joseph Tintale > <jayxtintale@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Hi Good People, >> Forgive me if this appears like a double post, but there was a >> previous post about Startimes. I wanted to find out if one would >> still >> be able to access local channels when one's subscription expires.
It
>> was posted a few months ago and 'early adopters' were still waiting >> for their subscriptions to expire in order to respond whether local >> channels would be accessible. Anyone? Thanks in advance. >> >> KR, >> Joseph. >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > > > -- > David Maina. > P. O. Box 8310-00200, > NAIROBI, > KENYA.. > Cell:+254-721-950073. > Registered Linux User #407239. > Registered Ubuntu User #35129. >
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Please allow me to quote verbatim from a thread on kictanet that may shed light on FTA channels "*On a previous discussion it was made clear that when the analog signal is turned off all the pay services will be required by law to air all current free to air channels, I also believe there is a requirement that any broadcast that carries advertising will not be allowed to be offered as pay signals as they have already received their revenue elsewhere. Based on this the cost of a free to air decoder is 1,999/- as of today's special offer by StarTimes so long as the analog transmissions are turned off.*" In essence FTA is premium content until analog is switched off On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Job Muriuki <muriukin@gmail.com> wrote:
A list of the available free to air channels after the end of a subscription or during an active subscription?
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 9:28 AM, geoffrey gitagia <ggitagia@gmail.com>wrote:
mhh is there a list of free to air channels ?
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Gitau, these guyz are licensed as digital TV service providers, and there must be something in their licenses that makes the CCK & The PS say they are breaking the law. I have no idea, but these two cannot just wake up and say something like this without having some legal backing. All your are saying about free channels is all in your mind and not on the dotted lines their signed. maybe thay signed that free channel is KBC1, I do not know.
./Ok3ch
i doubt it...for quite a while I have tried getting to those documents or a statute that mentions all those things that get 'said'. For instance what is a 'free' channel? So i'd harzard that startimes have no business showing any channel if you dont pay. And if it comes to 'free' channels, I imagine they will only will only show KBC probably because they are a national broadcaster, not because its free, and even that would be KBC channel
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 9:01 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote: 1.
Why? well imagine if I came up with a free channel to show whatever,
who
decides that it is free and should be delivered? who pays for that resource? what incentive so to ask does startimes have to deliver citizen tv to your house? there is nothing like 'TV delivery neutrality:-)' to borrow from net neutrality:-) that discussion as far as I know was never had, if it was, i doubt something came out of it.
jgitau
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 8:48 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
& the PS said that if they restrict you on the free to air channels, then they are not following the law - all it will take is some lawyer to challenge them in court and all may be fine one day
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 7:00 AM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
Yep..the same for GOTV..only KBC
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Patrick Karanja <wabethi@gmail.com> wrote: > > only KBC shows > > > On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 6:28 AM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> NOPE..a big NO; >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 12:30 AM, Joseph Tintale >> <jayxtintale@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Good People, >>> Forgive me if this appears like a double post, but there was a >>> previous post about Startimes. I wanted to find out if one would >>> still >>> be able to access local channels when one's subscription
expires. It
>>> was posted a few months ago and 'early adopters' were still waiting >>> for their subscriptions to expire in order to respond whether local >>> channels would be accessible. Anyone? Thanks in advance. >>> >>> KR, >>> Joseph. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Skunkworks mailing list >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> >> >> >> >> -- >> David Maina. >> P. O. Box 8310-00200, >> NAIROBI, >> KENYA.. >> Cell:+254-721-950073. >> Registered Linux User #407239. >> Registered Ubuntu User #35129. >>
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people say things all the time, with the best intentions, sometimes in the hope that the law and policy closely follows to enforce what was planned. Sometimes this is delayed. for instance the digital migration which is supposed to let us have a go at LTE has been pushed forward again. And yes the reasons might be valid but in the end it is still a delay. My point being that guys like startimes today are not breaking a law by not showing 'free' channels, at least none that I know of, there are no penalties that I know of, I know of proposals. Again, as far as I know (and I don't know much so please correct me if you have the info) there is no document saying these are the free channels which technically means they can do whatever. They can be discriminatory. If i were them there is no way I'd categorize a station that makes money off lets say advertisements as free; they would have to pay. And as Areba mentioned on a previous mail so long as someone is paying, the consumer has to pay up. jgitau On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Gitau, these guyz are licensed as digital TV service providers, and there must be something in their licenses that makes the CCK & The PS say they are breaking the law. I have no idea, but these two cannot just wake up and say something like this without having some legal backing. All your are saying about free channels is all in your mind and not on the dotted lines their signed. maybe thay signed that free channel is KBC1, I do not know.
./Ok3ch
Ok this is confusing. In my understanding Signet(a.k.a KBC) is the sole company that owns and operates the equipment thet transmits the DTV signal. The star-times and GOtvs are simply content providers and their proprietary decoders are the gateways to their content. So there is the proprietary content locked behind he custom decoders and the free to air channels that are open to anyone with the right decoder. So star-times bundles together the FTA together with their own channels so that when your subscription lapses they cut you off completely including from the free to air. Now that I think of it this sounds illegal. On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 10:22 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
people say things all the time, with the best intentions, sometimes in the hope that the law and policy closely follows to enforce what was planned. Sometimes this is delayed. for instance the digital migration which is supposed to let us have a go at LTE has been pushed forward again. And yes the reasons might be valid but in the end it is still a delay.
My point being that guys like startimes today are not breaking a law by not showing 'free' channels, at least none that I know of, there are no penalties that I know of, I know of proposals. Again, as far as I know (and I don't know much so please correct me if you have the info) there is no document saying these are the free channels which technically means they can do whatever. They can be discriminatory.
If i were them there is no way I'd categorize a station that makes money off lets say advertisements as free; they would have to pay. And as Areba mentioned on a previous mail so long as someone is paying, the consumer has to pay up.
jgitau
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Gitau, these guyz are licensed as digital TV service providers, and there must be something in their licenses that makes the CCK & The PS say they are breaking the law. I have no idea, but these two cannot just wake up and say something like this without having some legal backing. All your are saying about free channels is all in your mind and not on the dotted lines their signed. maybe thay signed that free channel is KBC1, I do not know.
./Ok3ch
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Wrong @ mwangi. Startimes, GoTV and Signet each operate their own infrastructure. Rollout thus is dependent on their own business strategy. Incidentally, even MOA wanted one of their own... Me thinks we Kenyans have been shafted fair and square. On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok this is confusing.
In my understanding Signet(a.k.a KBC) is the sole company that owns and operates the equipment thet transmits the DTV signal. The star-times and GOtvs are simply content providers and their proprietary decoders are the gateways to their content. So there is the proprietary content locked behind he custom decoders and the free to air channels that are open to anyone with the right decoder. So star-times bundles together the FTA together with their own channels so that when your subscription lapses they cut you off completely including from the free to air.
Now that I think of it this sounds illegal.
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 10:22 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
people say things all the time, with the best intentions, sometimes in the hope that the law and policy closely follows to enforce what was planned. Sometimes this is delayed. for instance the digital migration which is supposed to let us have a go at LTE has been pushed forward again. And yes the reasons might be valid but in the end it is still a delay.
My point being that guys like startimes today are not breaking a law by not showing 'free' channels, at least none that I know of, there are no penalties that I know of, I know of proposals. Again, as far as I know (and I don't know much so please correct me if you have the info) there is no document saying these are the free channels which technically means they can do whatever. They can be discriminatory.
If i were them there is no way I'd categorize a station that makes money off lets say advertisements as free; they would have to pay. And as Areba mentioned on a previous mail so long as someone is paying, the consumer has to pay up.
jgitau
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Gitau, these guyz are licensed as digital TV service providers, and there must be something in their licenses that makes the CCK & The PS say they are breaking the law. I have no idea, but these two cannot just wake up and say something like this without having some legal backing. All your are saying about free channels is all in your mind and not on the dotted lines their signed. maybe thay signed that free channel is KBC1, I do not know.
./Ok3ch
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Signet is free on Gotv depending on your location and how good your aerial is. Startimes decoders can not even recognise any onther signal apart from their own I once confirmed with them. On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Areba Collins [ @BrainiacKE ® ] < arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
Wrong @ mwangi. Startimes, GoTV and Signet each operate their own infrastructure. Rollout thus is dependent on their own business strategy. Incidentally, even MOA wanted one of their own... Me thinks we Kenyans have been shafted fair and square.
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok this is confusing.
In my understanding Signet(a.k.a KBC) is the sole company that owns and operates the equipment thet transmits the DTV signal. The star-times and GOtvs are simply content providers and their proprietary decoders are the gateways to their content. So there is the proprietary content locked behind he custom decoders and the free to air channels that are open to anyone with the right decoder. So star-times bundles together the FTA together with their own channels so that when your subscription lapses they cut you off completely including from the free to air.
Now that I think of it this sounds illegal.
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 10:22 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
people say things all the time, with the best intentions, sometimes in the hope that the law and policy closely follows to enforce what was planned. Sometimes this is delayed. for instance the digital migration which is supposed to let us have a go at LTE has been pushed forward again. And yes the reasons might be valid but in the end it is still a delay.
My point being that guys like startimes today are not breaking a law by not showing 'free' channels, at least none that I know of, there are no penalties that I know of, I know of proposals. Again, as far as I know (and I don't know much so please correct me if you have the info) there is no document saying these are the free channels which technically means they can do whatever. They can be discriminatory.
If i were them there is no way I'd categorize a station that makes money off lets say advertisements as free; they would have to pay. And as Areba mentioned on a previous mail so long as someone is paying, the consumer has to pay up.
jgitau
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Gitau, these guyz are licensed as digital TV service providers, and there must be something in their licenses that makes the CCK & The PS say they are breaking the law. I have no idea, but these two cannot just wake up and say something like this without having some legal backing. All your are saying about free channels is all in your mind and not on the dotted lines their signed. maybe thay signed that free channel is KBC1, I do not know.
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StarTimes are basically taking advantage of this clause "*On a previous discussion it was made clear that when the analog signal is turned off all the pay services will be required by law to air all current free to air channels, I also believe there is a requirement that any broadcast that carries advertising will not be allowed to be offered as pay signals as they have already received their revenue elsewhere. Based on this the cost of a free to air decoder is 1,999/- as of today's special offer by StarTimes so long as the analog transmissions are turned off.*" to squeeze you as of now. In addition, local TV has very unclear signal quality (quality varies by channel, hence why they can squeeze in 70 channels). In addition, the picture keeps freezing and "showing squares". Get a Samsung Smart TV and get Signet channels free at a higher quality.
The I have had startimes for 3 months now and the first times it expired I could watch KBC, citizen and NTV but now Its only KBC. On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 9:01 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
i doubt it...for quite a while I have tried getting to those documents or a statute that mentions all those things that get 'said'. For instance what is a 'free' channel? So i'd harzard that startimes have no business showing any channel if you dont pay. And if it comes to 'free' channels, I imagine they will only will only show KBC probably because they are a national broadcaster, not because its free, and even that would be KBC channel 1.
Why? well imagine if I came up with a free channel to show whatever, who decides that it is free and should be delivered? who pays for that resource? what incentive so to ask does startimes have to deliver citizen tv to your house? there is nothing like 'TV delivery neutrality:-)' to borrow from net neutrality:-) that discussion as far as I know was never had, if it was, i doubt something came out of it.
jgitau
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 8:48 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
& the PS said that if they restrict you on the free to air channels, then they are not following the law - all it will take is some lawyer to challenge them in court and all may be fine one day
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 7:00 AM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
Yep..the same for GOTV..only KBC
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Patrick Karanja <wabethi@gmail.com> wrote:
only KBC shows
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 6:28 AM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
NOPE..a big NO;
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 12:30 AM, Joseph Tintale <
jayxtintale@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi Good People, Forgive me if this appears like a double post, but there was a previous post about Startimes. I wanted to find out if one would
still
be able to access local channels when one's subscription expires. It was posted a few months ago and 'early adopters' were still waiting for their subscriptions to expire in order to respond whether local channels would be accessible. Anyone? Thanks in advance.
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participants (12)
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Areba Collins [ ＠BrainiacKE ® ] -
Brian L -
Dennis Kioko -
geoffrey gitagia -
Job Muriuki -
John Gitau -
Joseph Tintale -
kipsigiryo chulai -
maina -
Mark Mwangi -
Okechukwu -
Patrick Karanja