Fiber landing | Does telco companies have what it takes to beat the market?
I find this forum appropriate to engage in this discussion. Once again, if this has been done before, forgive me, im trying to get opinions and views, and possible scenarios. Please consider the following: 1: Fiber lands, Mobile providers offer unlimited band on 3G at monthly flat rates: say for instance 7.2M at Ksh2000 on a contention ratio of about 100 users. What possible scenarios exist for companies like access , wananichi and other providers. 2: Would companies like safari and zain (or Cain depending on who is next online) have capacity to roll out (and sustain 3G network) countrywide? -> this being from a business and not technology perspective. -> are mobile companies a real enough threat to kill traditional ISPs? 3: is it realistic to envision someday setting my webserver connected to an e61i or huaweii modem and sell realistic hosting from the comfort of my home in kajiado? Thanks in Advance. -- If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange these apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas. George Bernard Shaw
"*3: is it realistic to envision someday setting my webserver connected to an e61i or huaweii modem and sell realistic hosting from the comfort of my home in kajiado?*" I don't think this will happen soon, even with multiple fibers coming to the country, especially if traffic to the hosted sites will be high. As a compromise, maybe by then, one of the local ISPs will have got their act together and setup a countrywide Tier 2 link then maybe have a direct connection, via any of the fibers, to a Tier 1 backbone. Maybe then, one of the root name servers will be in Africa. If that be the case, you might be able to setup a local server farm and use that to offer hosting services, which will be competitive with the likes of 1and1. However, using 3G (i.e the Nokia E61i or Huaweii modem) as the main link from your server to the internet might be a technically inferior solution to the local hosting problem. My 2 cents :-) On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
I find this forum appropriate to engage in this discussion. Once again, if this has been done before, forgive me, im trying to get opinions and views, and possible scenarios. Please consider the following:
1: Fiber lands, Mobile providers offer unlimited band on 3G at monthly flat rates: say for instance 7.2M at Ksh2000 on a contention ratio of about 100 users. What possible scenarios exist for companies like access , wananichi and other providers.
2: Would companies like safari and zain (or Cain depending on who is next online) have capacity to roll out (and sustain 3G network) countrywide? -> this being from a business and not technology perspective. -> are mobile companies a real enough threat to kill traditional ISPs?
3: is it realistic to envision someday setting my webserver connected to an e61i or huaweii modem and sell realistic hosting from the comfort of my home in kajiado?
Thanks in Advance. -- If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange these apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas.
George Bernard Shaw _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Skunkworks announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
KDN have a countrywide fiber newtwork and usually sublet it to other ISPs. KDN is the reason that Zain(insert new name here) are not aggressive in their data marketing, since they have a common minority holder( Sameer). somone was telling me that KDN sublet thir cable to ISPs who want to bridge their services between two major towns e.g. Nairobi & Kisumu. IMHO, KDN is the guy to watch. On 11/06/2009, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
"*3: is it realistic to envision someday setting my webserver connected to an e61i or huaweii modem and sell realistic hosting from the comfort of my home in kajiado?*"
I don't think this will happen soon, even with multiple fibers coming to the country, especially if traffic to the hosted sites will be high.
As a compromise, maybe by then, one of the local ISPs will have got their act together and setup a countrywide Tier 2 link then maybe have a direct connection, via any of the fibers, to a Tier 1 backbone. Maybe then, one of the root name servers will be in Africa. If that be the case, you might be able to setup a local server farm and use that to offer hosting services, which will be competitive with the likes of 1and1.
However, using 3G (i.e the Nokia E61i or Huaweii modem) as the main link from your server to the internet might be a technically inferior solution to the local hosting problem.
My 2 cents :-)
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
I find this forum appropriate to engage in this discussion. Once again, if this has been done before, forgive me, im trying to get opinions and views, and possible scenarios. Please consider the following:
1: Fiber lands, Mobile providers offer unlimited band on 3G at monthly flat rates: say for instance 7.2M at Ksh2000 on a contention ratio of about 100 users. What possible scenarios exist for companies like access , wananichi and other providers.
2: Would companies like safari and zain (or Cain depending on who is next online) have capacity to roll out (and sustain 3G network) countrywide? -> this being from a business and not technology perspective. -> are mobile companies a real enough threat to kill traditional ISPs?
3: is it realistic to envision someday setting my webserver connected to an e61i or huaweii modem and sell realistic hosting from the comfort of my home in kajiado?
Thanks in Advance. -- If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange these apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas.
George Bernard Shaw _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Skunkworks announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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Here is what i do not get it: You can get a 3G modems going as low as 3k, (and coming down). With certain level of QOS, who would be able to compete withmobile phone companies? On 6/11/09, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
KDN have a countrywide fiber newtwork and usually sublet it to other ISPs. KDN is the reason that Zain(insert new name here) are not aggressive in their data marketing, since they have a common minority holder( Sameer). somone was telling me that KDN sublet thir cable to ISPs who want to bridge their services between two major towns e.g. Nairobi & Kisumu.
IMHO, KDN is the guy to watch.
On 11/06/2009, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
"*3: is it realistic to envision someday setting my webserver connected to
an e61i or huaweii modem and sell realistic hosting from the comfort of my home in kajiado?*"
I don't think this will happen soon, even with multiple fibers coming to the country, especially if traffic to the hosted sites will be high.
As a compromise, maybe by then, one of the local ISPs will have got their act together and setup a countrywide Tier 2 link then maybe have a direct connection, via any of the fibers, to a Tier 1 backbone. Maybe then, one of the root name servers will be in Africa. If that be the case, you might be able to setup a local server farm and use that to offer hosting services, which will be competitive with the likes of 1and1.
However, using 3G (i.e the Nokia E61i or Huaweii modem) as the main link from your server to the internet might be a technically inferior solution to the local hosting problem.
My 2 cents :-)
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
I find this forum appropriate to engage in this discussion. Once again, if this has been done before, forgive me, im trying to get opinions and views, and possible scenarios. Please consider the following:
1: Fiber lands, Mobile providers offer unlimited band on 3G at monthly flat rates: say for instance 7.2M at Ksh2000 on a contention ratio of about 100 users. What possible scenarios exist for companies like access , wananichi and other providers.
2: Would companies like safari and zain (or Cain depending on who is next online) have capacity to roll out (and sustain 3G network) countrywide? -> this being from a business and not technology perspective. -> are mobile companies a real enough threat to kill traditional ISPs?
3: is it realistic to envision someday setting my webserver connected to an e61i or huaweii modem and sell realistic hosting from the comfort of my home in kajiado?
Thanks in Advance. -- If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange these apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas.
George Bernard Shaw _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Skunkworks announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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-- If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange these apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas. George Bernard Shaw
I think 3G has a lower QoS compared to good ol' cable simply coz the data transmission services of the cell phone network are a secondary capability, i.e. cell phone networks were made for voice transmissions. Thus, if the BTS is busy, guess who gets the axe? There is a heated debate on this list about how saf throttles torrents, yet the provider did not provide any information to the clients that it would be doing this before they bought into the service. Heck, even afterwards, the clients are kept in the dark. So I ask you, would you entrust your internet connectivity to a company that limits traffic based on its own discretion without any prior warning to you? In this regards, plus the fact that for the foreseable future, cables will always be faster than wireless (unless you are in those parts of Kenya which are not in Kenya), ISPs have an upper hand over the telcos. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
Here is what i do not get it:
You can get a 3G modems going as low as 3k, (and coming down). With certain level of QOS, who would be able to compete withmobile phone companies?
On 6/11/09, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
KDN have a countrywide fiber newtwork and usually sublet it to other ISPs. KDN is the reason that Zain(insert new name here) are not aggressive in their data marketing, since they have a common minority holder( Sameer). somone was telling me that KDN sublet thir cable to ISPs who want to bridge their services between two major towns e.g. Nairobi & Kisumu.
IMHO, KDN is the guy to watch.
On 11/06/2009, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
"*3: is it realistic to envision someday setting my webserver connected to
an e61i or huaweii modem and sell realistic hosting from the comfort of my home in kajiado?*"
I don't think this will happen soon, even with multiple fibers coming to the country, especially if traffic to the hosted sites will be high.
As a compromise, maybe by then, one of the local ISPs will have got their act together and setup a countrywide Tier 2 link then maybe have a direct connection, via any of the fibers, to a Tier 1 backbone. Maybe then, one of the root name servers will be in Africa. If that be the case, you might be able to setup a local server farm and use that to offer hosting services, which will be competitive with the likes of 1and1.
However, using 3G (i.e the Nokia E61i or Huaweii modem) as the main link from your server to the internet might be a technically inferior solution to the local hosting problem.
My 2 cents :-)
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
I find this forum appropriate to engage in this discussion. Once again, if this has been done before, forgive me, im trying to get opinions and views, and possible scenarios. Please consider the following:
1: Fiber lands, Mobile providers offer unlimited band on 3G at monthly flat rates: say for instance 7.2M at Ksh2000 on a contention ratio of about 100 users. What possible scenarios exist for companies like access , wananichi and other providers.
2: Would companies like safari and zain (or Cain depending on who is next online) have capacity to roll out (and sustain 3G network) countrywide? -> this being from a business and not technology perspective. -> are mobile companies a real enough threat to kill traditional ISPs?
3: is it realistic to envision someday setting my webserver connected to an e61i or huaweii modem and sell realistic hosting from the comfort of my home in kajiado?
Thanks in Advance. -- If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange these apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas.
George Bernard Shaw _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Skunkworks announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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-- If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange these apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas.
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@Areba. You should know that on mobile networks users share the same data channels and same radio resourses with voice users on the same base station. So giving quality of service si pretty hard not unless they build data only mobile networks which would be more expensive and not practical. If you want to host anything go for data only carriers and you will not be pulling your head off as often. On 6/11/09, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
Here is what i do not get it:
You can get a 3G modems going as low as 3k, (and coming down). With certain level of QOS, who would be able to compete withmobile phone companies?
On 6/11/09, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
KDN have a countrywide fiber newtwork and usually sublet it to other ISPs. KDN is the reason that Zain(insert new name here) are not aggressive in their data marketing, since they have a common minority holder( Sameer). somone was telling me that KDN sublet thir cable to ISPs who want to bridge their services between two major towns e.g. Nairobi & Kisumu.
IMHO, KDN is the guy to watch.
On 11/06/2009, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
"*3: is it realistic to envision someday setting my webserver connected to
an e61i or huaweii modem and sell realistic hosting from the comfort of my home in kajiado?*"
I don't think this will happen soon, even with multiple fibers coming to the country, especially if traffic to the hosted sites will be high.
As a compromise, maybe by then, one of the local ISPs will have got their act together and setup a countrywide Tier 2 link then maybe have a direct connection, via any of the fibers, to a Tier 1 backbone. Maybe then, one of the root name servers will be in Africa. If that be the case, you might be able to setup a local server farm and use that to offer hosting services, which will be competitive with the likes of 1and1.
However, using 3G (i.e the Nokia E61i or Huaweii modem) as the main link from your server to the internet might be a technically inferior solution to the local hosting problem.
My 2 cents :-)
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
I find this forum appropriate to engage in this discussion. Once again, if this has been done before, forgive me, im trying to get opinions and views, and possible scenarios. Please consider the following:
1: Fiber lands, Mobile providers offer unlimited band on 3G at monthly flat rates: say for instance 7.2M at Ksh2000 on a contention ratio of about 100 users. What possible scenarios exist for companies like access , wananichi and other providers.
2: Would companies like safari and zain (or Cain depending on who is next online) have capacity to roll out (and sustain 3G network) countrywide? -> this being from a business and not technology perspective. -> are mobile companies a real enough threat to kill traditional ISPs?
3: is it realistic to envision someday setting my webserver connected to an e61i or huaweii modem and sell realistic hosting from the comfort of my home in kajiado?
Thanks in Advance. -- If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange these apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas.
George Bernard Shaw _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Skunkworks announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
-- with Regards:
Are vigilante groups part of your business? make them your business by visiting my blog: http://gramware.blogspot.com
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-- If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange these apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas.
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EXACTLY, So if you tell me for instance Orange decide to give data only and value add they wouldnt make any money? How i wish i had an Oil field, I would be vying for Zain -> call it Cain and only trade in data + text + value add services. On 6/11/09, Job Njogu <jnjogu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Areba. You should know that on mobile networks users share the same data channels and same radio resourses with voice users on the same base station. So giving quality of service si pretty hard not unless they build data only mobile networks which would be more expensive and not practical. If you want to host anything go for data only carriers and you will not be pulling your head off as often.
On 6/11/09, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
Here is what i do not get it:
You can get a 3G modems going as low as 3k, (and coming down). With certain level of QOS, who would be able to compete withmobile phone companies?
On 6/11/09, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
KDN have a countrywide fiber newtwork and usually sublet it to other ISPs. KDN is the reason that Zain(insert new name here) are not aggressive in their data marketing, since they have a common minority holder( Sameer). somone was telling me that KDN sublet thir cable to ISPs who want to bridge their services between two major towns e.g. Nairobi & Kisumu.
IMHO, KDN is the guy to watch.
On 11/06/2009, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
"*3: is it realistic to envision someday setting my webserver connected to
an e61i or huaweii modem and sell realistic hosting from the comfort of my home in kajiado?*"
I don't think this will happen soon, even with multiple fibers coming to the country, especially if traffic to the hosted sites will be high.
As a compromise, maybe by then, one of the local ISPs will have got their act together and setup a countrywide Tier 2 link then maybe have a direct connection, via any of the fibers, to a Tier 1 backbone. Maybe then, one of the root name servers will be in Africa. If that be the case, you might be able to setup a local server farm and use that to offer hosting services, which will be competitive with the likes of 1and1.
However, using 3G (i.e the Nokia E61i or Huaweii modem) as the main link from your server to the internet might be a technically inferior solution to the local hosting problem.
My 2 cents :-)
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
I find this forum appropriate to engage in this discussion. Once again, if this has been done before, forgive me, im trying to get opinions and views, and possible scenarios. Please consider the following:
1: Fiber lands, Mobile providers offer unlimited band on 3G at monthly flat rates: say for instance 7.2M at Ksh2000 on a contention ratio of about 100 users. What possible scenarios exist for companies like access , wananichi and other providers.
2: Would companies like safari and zain (or Cain depending on who is next online) have capacity to roll out (and sustain 3G network) countrywide? -> this being from a business and not technology perspective. -> are mobile companies a real enough threat to kill traditional ISPs?
3: is it realistic to envision someday setting my webserver connected to an e61i or huaweii modem and sell realistic hosting from the comfort of my home in kajiado?
Thanks in Advance. -- If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange these apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas.
George Bernard Shaw _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Skunkworks announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
-- with Regards:
Are vigilante groups part of your business? make them your business by visiting my blog: http://gramware.blogspot.com
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-- If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange these apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas.
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Regards,
Job Njogu Muriuki, Phone: +254736333075, +254202360107 Address: 42665 00100 Nrb
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-- If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange these apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas. George Bernard Shaw
They definately would make cash but not as much as on voice. Wireless technologies are only a favorite in places with poor cabled networks. Countries with true broadband speeds >10 mbps per user dont use wireless connections they are on cable! why is that? On 6/11/09, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
EXACTLY, So if you tell me for instance Orange decide to give data only and value add they wouldnt make any money?
How i wish i had an Oil field, I would be vying for Zain -> call it Cain and only trade in data + text + value add services.
On 6/11/09, Job Njogu <jnjogu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Areba. You should know that on mobile networks users share the same data channels and same radio resourses with voice users on the same base station. So giving quality of service si pretty hard not unless they build data only mobile networks which would be more expensive and not practical. If you want to host anything go for data only carriers and you will not be pulling your head off as often.
On 6/11/09, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
Here is what i do not get it:
You can get a 3G modems going as low as 3k, (and coming down). With certain level of QOS, who would be able to compete withmobile phone companies?
On 6/11/09, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
KDN have a countrywide fiber newtwork and usually sublet it to other ISPs. KDN is the reason that Zain(insert new name here) are not aggressive in their data marketing, since they have a common minority holder( Sameer). somone was telling me that KDN sublet thir cable to ISPs who want to bridge their services between two major towns e.g. Nairobi & Kisumu.
IMHO, KDN is the guy to watch.
On 11/06/2009, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
"*3: is it realistic to envision someday setting my webserver connected to
an e61i or huaweii modem and sell realistic hosting from the comfort of my home in kajiado?*"
I don't think this will happen soon, even with multiple fibers coming to the country, especially if traffic to the hosted sites will be high.
As a compromise, maybe by then, one of the local ISPs will have got their act together and setup a countrywide Tier 2 link then maybe have a direct connection, via any of the fibers, to a Tier 1 backbone. Maybe then, one of the root name servers will be in Africa. If that be the case, you might be able to setup a local server farm and use that to offer hosting services, which will be competitive with the likes of 1and1.
However, using 3G (i.e the Nokia E61i or Huaweii modem) as the main link from your server to the internet might be a technically inferior solution to the local hosting problem.
My 2 cents :-)
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
I find this forum appropriate to engage in this discussion. Once again, if this has been done before, forgive me, im trying to get opinions and views, and possible scenarios. Please consider the following:
1: Fiber lands, Mobile providers offer unlimited band on 3G at monthly flat rates: say for instance 7.2M at Ksh2000 on a contention ratio of about 100 users. What possible scenarios exist for companies like access , wananichi and other providers.
2: Would companies like safari and zain (or Cain depending on who is next online) have capacity to roll out (and sustain 3G network) countrywide? -> this being from a business and not technology perspective. -> are mobile companies a real enough threat to kill traditional ISPs?
3: is it realistic to envision someday setting my webserver connected to an e61i or huaweii modem and sell realistic hosting from the comfort of my home in kajiado?
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because of investment inertia. If 54Mbps available on some wireless technologies were available then, no one would have bothered to invest in the cable. True or false: Just the same way if there was a way of transmitting power wirelessly , or water, it would be the medium of choice. :-) On 6/11/09, Job Njogu <jnjogu@gmail.com> wrote:
They definately would make cash but not as much as on voice. Wireless technologies are only a favorite in places with poor cabled networks. Countries with true broadband speeds >10 mbps per user dont use wireless connections they are on cable! why is that?
On 6/11/09, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
EXACTLY, So if you tell me for instance Orange decide to give data only and value add they wouldnt make any money?
How i wish i had an Oil field, I would be vying for Zain -> call it Cain and only trade in data + text + value add services.
On 6/11/09, Job Njogu <jnjogu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Areba. You should know that on mobile networks users share the same data channels and same radio resourses with voice users on the same base station. So giving quality of service si pretty hard not unless they build data only mobile networks which would be more expensive and not practical. If you want to host anything go for data only carriers and you will not be pulling your head off as often.
On 6/11/09, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
Here is what i do not get it:
You can get a 3G modems going as low as 3k, (and coming down). With certain level of QOS, who would be able to compete withmobile phone companies?
On 6/11/09, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
KDN have a countrywide fiber newtwork and usually sublet it to other ISPs. KDN is the reason that Zain(insert new name here) are not aggressive in their data marketing, since they have a common minority holder( Sameer). somone was telling me that KDN sublet thir cable to ISPs who want to bridge their services between two major towns e.g. Nairobi & Kisumu.
IMHO, KDN is the guy to watch.
On 11/06/2009, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
"*3: is it realistic to envision someday setting my webserver connected to
an e61i or huaweii modem and sell realistic hosting from the comfort of my home in kajiado?*"
I don't think this will happen soon, even with multiple fibers coming to the country, especially if traffic to the hosted sites will be high.
As a compromise, maybe by then, one of the local ISPs will have got their act together and setup a countrywide Tier 2 link then maybe have a direct connection, via any of the fibers, to a Tier 1 backbone. Maybe then, one of the root name servers will be in Africa. If that be the case, you might be able to setup a local server farm and use that to offer hosting services, which will be competitive with the likes of 1and1.
However, using 3G (i.e the Nokia E61i or Huaweii modem) as the main link from your server to the internet might be a technically inferior solution to the local hosting problem.
My 2 cents :-)
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
> I find this forum appropriate to engage in this discussion. Once > again, if this has been done before, forgive me, im trying to get > opinions and views, and possible scenarios. Please consider the > following: > > 1: Fiber lands, Mobile providers offer unlimited band on 3G at monthly > flat rates: say for instance 7.2M at Ksh2000 on a contention ratio of > about 100 users. What possible scenarios exist for companies like > access , wananichi and other providers. > > 2: Would companies like safari and zain (or Cain depending on who is > next online) have capacity to roll out (and sustain 3G network) > countrywide? -> this being from a business and not technology > perspective. -> are mobile companies a real enough threat to kill > traditional ISPs? > > 3: is it realistic to envision someday setting my webserver connected > to an e61i or huaweii modem and sell realistic hosting from the > comfort of my home in kajiado? > > Thanks in Advance. > -- > If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange these apples > then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea > and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will > have two ideas. > > George Bernard Shaw > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > Other lists > ------------- > Skunkworks announce: > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >
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Wireless is great but the speeds indicated are only theoretical. Like for wifi with link speed of 54mbps you get a throughput of 22.5 - 25mbps depending on hardware and the kind of connection. Wireless is only good in cases where cabling is poor or for fast deployments. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
because of investment inertia.
If 54Mbps available on some wireless technologies were available then, no one would have bothered to invest in the cable. True or false:
Just the same way if there was a way of transmitting power wirelessly , or water, it would be the medium of choice.
:-)
On 6/11/09, Job Njogu <jnjogu@gmail.com> wrote:
They definately would make cash but not as much as on voice. Wireless technologies are only a favorite in places with poor cabled networks. Countries with true broadband speeds >10 mbps per user dont use wireless connections they are on cable! why is that?
On 6/11/09, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
EXACTLY, So if you tell me for instance Orange decide to give data only and value add they wouldnt make any money?
How i wish i had an Oil field, I would be vying for Zain -> call it Cain and only trade in data + text + value add services.
On 6/11/09, Job Njogu <jnjogu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Areba. You should know that on mobile networks users share the same data channels and same radio resourses with voice users on the same base station. So giving quality of service si pretty hard not unless they build data only mobile networks which would be more expensive and not practical. If you want to host anything go for data only carriers and you will not be pulling your head off as often.
On 6/11/09, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
Here is what i do not get it:
You can get a 3G modems going as low as 3k, (and coming down). With certain level of QOS, who would be able to compete withmobile phone companies?
On 6/11/09, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
KDN have a countrywide fiber newtwork and usually sublet it to other ISPs. KDN is the reason that Zain(insert new name here) are not aggressive in their data marketing, since they have a common minority holder( Sameer). somone was telling me that KDN sublet thir cable to ISPs who want to bridge their services between two major towns e.g. Nairobi & Kisumu.
IMHO, KDN is the guy to watch.
On 11/06/2009, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote: > "*3: is it realistic to envision someday setting my webserver connected to
> an e61i or huaweii modem and sell realistic hosting from the comfort of > my > home in kajiado?*" > > I don't think this will happen soon, even with multiple fibers coming to the > country, especially if traffic to the hosted sites will be high. > > As a compromise, maybe by then, one of the local ISPs will have got their > act together and setup a countrywide Tier 2 link then maybe have a direct > connection, via any of the fibers, to a Tier 1 backbone. Maybe then, one of > the root name servers will be in Africa. If that be the case, you might be > able to setup a local server farm and use that to offer hosting services, > which will be competitive with the likes of 1and1. > > However, using 3G (i.e the Nokia E61i or Huaweii modem) as the main link > from your server to the internet might be a technically inferior solution to > the local hosting problem. > > My 2 cents :-) > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Areba Collins > <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote: > >> I find this forum appropriate to engage in this discussion. Once >> again, if this has been done before, forgive me, im trying to get >> opinions and views, and possible scenarios. Please consider the >> following: >> >> 1: Fiber lands, Mobile providers offer unlimited band on 3G at monthly >> flat rates: say for instance 7.2M at Ksh2000 on a contention ratio of >> about 100 users. What possible scenarios exist for companies like >> access , wananichi and other providers. >> >> 2: Would companies like safari and zain (or Cain depending on who is >> next online) have capacity to roll out (and sustain 3G network) >> countrywide? -> this being from a business and not technology >> perspective. -> are mobile companies a real enough threat to kill >> traditional ISPs? >> >> 3: is it realistic to envision someday setting my webserver connected >> to an e61i or huaweii modem and sell realistic hosting from the >> comfort of my home in kajiado? >> >> Thanks in Advance. >> -- >> If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange these apples >> then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea >> and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will >> have two ideas. >> >> George Bernard Shaw >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> Other lists >> ------------- >> Skunkworks announce: >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >> Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >> kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >> >
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IMHO I think a company like Wananchi are the ones who have got it right. Once the fibre lands connectivity will not be the differentiating factor between ISPS or Telcos or both.(Much more like FM stations)...but content and value addition will be the key to get high ARPU,Market Share,Wallet Share and sustainable revenue. Wananchi Online's Business Vision to offer triple play solutions especially cable TV is wise move,because they are selling content,hence they can compete for the mass market. For young enterprenuers,who might not have enough capital...think of ICT solutions which add value by using the fibre optic advantage,rather than go for business concept which will force you to invest in some infrastructure........ Having said that may I also mention that since competition is going to be high....if you start a business then you must have good business systems,Qos..unified BSS/OSS ETC On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 3:13 AM, Job Njogu <jnjogu@gmail.com> wrote:
Wireless is great but the speeds indicated are only theoretical. Like for wifi with link speed of 54mbps you get a throughput of 22.5 - 25mbps depending on hardware and the kind of connection. Wireless is only good in cases where cabling is poor or for fast deployments.
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
because of investment inertia.
If 54Mbps available on some wireless technologies were available then, no one would have bothered to invest in the cable. True or false:
Just the same way if there was a way of transmitting power wirelessly , or water, it would be the medium of choice.
:-)
On 6/11/09, Job Njogu <jnjogu@gmail.com> wrote:
They definately would make cash but not as much as on voice. Wireless technologies are only a favorite in places with poor cabled networks. Countries with true broadband speeds >10 mbps per user dont use wireless connections they are on cable! why is that?
On 6/11/09, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
EXACTLY, So if you tell me for instance Orange decide to give data only and value add they wouldnt make any money?
How i wish i had an Oil field, I would be vying for Zain -> call it Cain and only trade in data + text + value add services.
On 6/11/09, Job Njogu <jnjogu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Areba. You should know that on mobile networks users share the same data channels and same radio resourses with voice users on the same base station. So giving quality of service si pretty hard not unless they build data only mobile networks which would be more expensive and not practical. If you want to host anything go for data only carriers and you will not be pulling your head off as often.
On 6/11/09, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
Here is what i do not get it:
You can get a 3G modems going as low as 3k, (and coming down). With certain level of QOS, who would be able to compete withmobile phone companies?
On 6/11/09, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote: > KDN have a countrywide fiber newtwork and usually sublet it to other > ISPs. KDN is the reason that Zain(insert new name here) are not > aggressive in their data marketing, since they have a common minority > holder( Sameer). somone was telling me that KDN sublet thir cable to > ISPs who want to bridge their services between two major towns e.g. > Nairobi & Kisumu. > > IMHO, KDN is the guy to watch. > > On 11/06/2009, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote: > > "*3: is it realistic to envision someday setting my webserver connected > to > > > an e61i or huaweii modem and sell realistic hosting from the comfort of > > my > > home in kajiado?*" > > > > I don't think this will happen soon, even with multiple fibers coming > to the > > country, especially if traffic to the hosted sites will be high. > > > > As a compromise, maybe by then, one of the local ISPs will have got > their > > act together and setup a countrywide Tier 2 link then maybe have a > direct > > connection, via any of the fibers, to a Tier 1 backbone. Maybe then, > one of > > the root name servers will be in Africa. If that be the case, you might > be > > able to setup a local server farm and use that to offer hosting > services, > > which will be competitive with the likes of 1and1. > > > > However, using 3G (i.e the Nokia E61i or Huaweii modem) as the main > link > > from your server to the internet might be a technically inferior > solution to > > the local hosting problem. > > > > My 2 cents :-) > > > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Areba Collins > > <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote: > > > >> I find this forum appropriate to engage in this discussion. Once > >> again, if this has been done before, forgive me, im trying to get > >> opinions and views, and possible scenarios. Please consider the > >> following: > >> > >> 1: Fiber lands, Mobile providers offer unlimited band on 3G at monthly > >> flat rates: say for instance 7.2M at Ksh2000 on a contention ratio of > >> about 100 users. What possible scenarios exist for companies like > >> access , wananichi and other providers. > >> > >> 2: Would companies like safari and zain (or Cain depending on who is > >> next online) have capacity to roll out (and sustain 3G network) > >> countrywide? -> this being from a business and not technology > >> perspective. -> are mobile companies a real enough threat to kill > >> traditional ISPs? > >> > >> 3: is it realistic to envision someday setting my webserver connected > >> to an e61i or huaweii modem and sell realistic hosting from the > >> comfort of my home in kajiado? > >> > >> Thanks in Advance. > >> -- > >> If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange these apples > >> then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea > >> and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will > >> have two ideas. > >> > >> George Bernard Shaw > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Skunkworks mailing list > >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > >> Other lists > >> ------------- > >> Skunkworks announce: > >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > >> Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > >> kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general > >> > > > > > > -- > with Regards: > > Are vigilante groups part of your business? make them your business by > visiting my blog: > http://gramware.blogspot.com > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > Other lists > ------------- > Skunkworks announce: > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >
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-- If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange these apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas.
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-- If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange these apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas.
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-- Regards, Job Njogu Muriuki, Phone: +254736333075, +254202360107 Address: 42665 00100 Nrb
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Areba Collins -
Dennis Kioko -
Job Njogu -
Joseph McDonald -
Peter Karunyu