Kilgoris Advanced English Aid, Kiswahili Kitukuzwe, Encyclopaedia Ebooks; in Class 3 ?
Hey Skunks did we have ebooks in our days or the world is changing.? I hope my fellow Kenyans will not hit that school and steal em' -- Regards Memusi Communication is vital in this century....
For those who din't get the story, A school in Kilgoris has gotten support from a US organization and gotten Amazon Kindles which carries all their text books including local curriculum like Kiswahili Mufti etc The kindles can hold up to 3000 books and are charged once a month using a generator. It's actually not hard to imagine that all text books in each class can fit in a kindle saving cost and improving technology awareness. The one thing I really loved about it is that since the kindle is back-light the children don't have to light a lamp to read #win. Elated Kiania D On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Memusi <tonatech@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Skunks did we have ebooks in our days or the world is changing.?
I hope my fellow Kenyans will not hit that school and steal em'
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Asiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii! weuuuweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:39 PM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd < kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
For those who din't get the story, A school in Kilgoris has gotten support from a US organization and gotten Amazon Kindles which carries all their text books including local curriculum like Kiswahili Mufti etc
The kindles can hold up to 3000 books and are charged once a month using a generator. It's actually not hard to imagine that all text books in each class can fit in a kindle saving cost and improving technology awareness.
The one thing I really loved about it is that since the kindle is back-light the children don't have to light a lamp to read #win.
Elated
Kiania D
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Memusi <tonatech@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Skunks did we have ebooks in our days or the world is changing.?
I hope my fellow Kenyans will not hit that school and steal em'
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this should be the standard. On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:21 PM, Memusi <tonatech@gmail.com> wrote:
Asiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii! weuuuweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:39 PM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd < kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
For those who din't get the story, A school in Kilgoris has gotten support from a US organization and gotten Amazon Kindles which carries all their text books including local curriculum like Kiswahili Mufti etc
The kindles can hold up to 3000 books and are charged once a month using a generator. It's actually not hard to imagine that all text books in each class can fit in a kindle saving cost and improving technology awareness.
The one thing I really loved about it is that since the kindle is back-light the children don't have to light a lamp to read #win.
Elated
Kiania D
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Memusi <tonatech@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Skunks did we have ebooks in our days or the world is changing.?
I hope my fellow Kenyans will not hit that school and steal em'
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Memusi
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On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:39 PM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd < kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
The one thing I really loved about it is that since the kindle is back-light the children don't have to light a lamp to read #win.
doesnt look backlit : http://www.jonmccormack.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/DX37795.jpg but the question is why not just buy them books ?
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sry, pls ignore, meant for another thread... On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 7:22 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 23:51, Ashok Hariharan <ashok@parliaments.info>wrote:
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:39 PM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd < kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
The one thing I really loved about it is that since the kindle is back-light the children don't have to light a lamp to read #win.
doesnt look backlit :
http://www.jonmccormack.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/DX37795.jpg
but the question is why not just buy them books ?
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Oh, Ashok. What a question!!! Are you serious??
deja vu , this is a news item from 6 years ago --- http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/click_online/4727617.stm
I dont think its a good idea to give kids ebooks; unless the situation is really dire.. In the interest of saving their eyes; and taking away the wonder of turning the book pages - dont you think it robs them of the same reading experience we had?
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I dont think its a good idea to give kids ebooks; unless the situation is really dire..
In the interest of saving their eyes; and taking away the wonder of turning the book pages - dont you think it robs them of the same reading experience we had?
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Stephen, With all due respect that's a pretty dumb argument you make. What has the reading experience done for us? Are we more intelligent, more articulate or what? The purpose is to impart knowledge no matter the medium. In that case then we should never use calculators and should instead use sticks stones and toes. Kiania D On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 1:07 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
I dont think its a good idea to give kids ebooks; unless the situation is really dire..
In the interest of saving their eyes; and taking away the wonder of turning the book pages - dont you think it robs them of the same reading experience we had?
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I don't think my use of log tables have made me any more wiser than those that use calculators. This is a very good initiative, highly commendable :-) bernard On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 2:57 PM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd < kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
Stephen,
With all due respect that's a pretty dumb argument you make. What has the reading experience done for us? Are we more intelligent, more articulate or what?
The purpose is to impart knowledge no matter the medium. In that case then we should never use calculators and should instead use sticks stones and toes.
Kiania D
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 1:07 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
I dont think its a good idea to give kids ebooks; unless the situation is really dire..
In the interest of saving their eyes; and taking away the wonder of turning the book pages - dont you think it robs them of the same reading experience we had?
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Children books (not highschool or college) ... I read from the iPad; its not comparable to the book - think we would agree ? Am imagining all those huge Encyclopedia volumes A-Z; with wide pages; well colored - compressed into a 10 inch screen. As I said; unless the situation is dire (like they mentioned - the kids dont have books) I would rather they get engaged with the gadgets when older.. (but that my opinion)
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On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't think my use of log tables have made me any more wiser than those that use calculators.
It did for me. I understood exponents easily because of log table.s It helped me get my current job since the answer one of the interview questions can be easily teased out using logs. I can still do quick math with logs.. Consequently, I subscribe to the 3 Ls principle (Long live logs.. ) On the flipside. I've lived in a country where an above average 16 year old could not do long division or long multiplication, had never seen a fuse, could not figure out where an electron goes in an Atom.... and the average citizen only knows one two countries in Africa.... South Africa and Africa, and to top it off a Bsc graduate who couldn't name the planets (in any order), had never heard of mole theory, didn't know what a neutrino is and hadn't visited (and didn't know it was there) a major tourist attraction that was 20kms away. Phew, I'd rather know how to read music sheets than not. I'd rather know mole theory that not... By induction, I'd rather know than be ignorant.
This is a very good initiative, highly commendable :-)
bernard
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 2:57 PM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd < kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
Stephen,
With all due respect that's a pretty dumb argument you make. What has the reading experience done for us? Are we more intelligent, more articulate or what?
The purpose is to impart knowledge no matter the medium. In that case then we should never use calculators and should instead use sticks stones and toes.
Kiania D
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 1:07 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
I dont think its a good idea to give kids ebooks; unless the situation is really dire..
In the interest of saving their eyes; and taking away the wonder of turning the book pages - dont you think it robs them of the same reading experience we had?
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I think it is a wonderful plan and should be replicated allover the country. I used to love reading books on history, science and even the works of socrates and was restricted to what the librarian at my school stocked. If I had access to 3000 books I believe I would have read a lot more and not have spent so much time on the TV. On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Laban Mwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com>wrote:
I don't think my use of log tables have made me any more wiser than those that use calculators.
It did for me. I understood exponents easily because of log table.s It helped me get my current job since the answer one of the interview questions can be easily teased out using logs. I can still do quick math with logs.. Consequently, I subscribe to the 3 Ls principle (Long live logs.. )
On the flipside. I've lived in a country where an above average 16 year old could not do long division or long multiplication, had never seen a fuse, could not figure out where an electron goes in an Atom.... and the average citizen only knows one two countries in Africa.... South Africa and Africa, and to top it off a Bsc graduate who couldn't name the planets (in any order), had never heard of mole theory, didn't know what a neutrino is and hadn't visited (and didn't know it was there) a major tourist attraction that was 20kms away.
Phew, I'd rather know how to read music sheets than not. I'd rather know mole theory that not... By induction, I'd rather know than be ignorant.
This is a very good initiative, highly commendable :-)
bernard
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 2:57 PM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd < kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
Stephen,
With all due respect that's a pretty dumb argument you make. What has the reading experience done for us? Are we more intelligent, more articulate or what?
The purpose is to impart knowledge no matter the medium. In that case then we should never use calculators and should instead use sticks stones and toes.
Kiania D
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 1:07 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com
wrote:
I dont think its a good idea to give kids ebooks; unless the situation is really dire..
In the interest of saving their eyes; and taking away the wonder of turning the book pages - dont you think it robs them of the same reading experience we had?
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I concur. For example, what got me into science was - Star trek TNG and - A documentary on KBC on AC power (20 years later, we have more stations but soaps abound. The tragedy) On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I think it is a wonderful plan and should be replicated allover the country. I used to love reading books on history, science and even the works of socrates and was restricted to what the librarian at my school stocked. If I had access to 3000 books I believe I would have read a lot more and not have spent so much time on the TV.
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Laban Mwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com>wrote:
I don't think my use of log tables have made me any more wiser than those that use calculators.
It did for me. I understood exponents easily because of log table.s It helped me get my current job since the answer one of the interview questions can be easily teased out using logs. I can still do quick math with logs.. Consequently, I subscribe to the 3 Ls principle (Long live logs.. )
On the flipside. I've lived in a country where an above average 16 year old could not do long division or long multiplication, had never seen a fuse, could not figure out where an electron goes in an Atom.... and the average citizen only knows one two countries in Africa.... South Africa and Africa, and to top it off a Bsc graduate who couldn't name the planets (in any order), had never heard of mole theory, didn't know what a neutrino is and hadn't visited (and didn't know it was there) a major tourist attraction that was 20kms away.
Phew, I'd rather know how to read music sheets than not. I'd rather know mole theory that not... By induction, I'd rather know than be ignorant.
This is a very good initiative, highly commendable :-)
bernard
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 2:57 PM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd <kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
Stephen,
With all due respect that's a pretty dumb argument you make. What has the reading experience done for us? Are we more intelligent, more articulate or what?
The purpose is to impart knowledge no matter the medium. In that case then we should never use calculators and should instead use sticks stones and toes.
Kiania D
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 1:07 PM, ndungu stephen < ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote:
I dont think its a good idea to give kids ebooks; unless the situation is really dire..
In the interest of saving their eyes; and taking away the wonder of turning the book pages - dont you think it robs them of the same reading experience we had?
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Hi Skunks, It's simple, you can only emulate the scope of your thoughts, I think 3000 books are better than none, or the usual pair. I guess it's better to know how things work than just using them. This is why "end of warranty period" has variable meaning to different people: Non-techies : OMG what will I do if it gets spoilt Techies : Finally I can open it up! --Kyalo-- On 22 November 2011 18:12, Laban Mwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
I concur. For example, what got me into science was - Star trek TNG and - A documentary on KBC on AC power (20 years later, we have more stations but soaps abound. The tragedy)
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I think it is a wonderful plan and should be replicated allover the country. I used to love reading books on history, science and even the works of socrates and was restricted to what the librarian at my school stocked. If I had access to 3000 books I believe I would have read a lot more and not have spent so much time on the TV.
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Laban Mwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com>wrote:
I don't think my use of log tables have made me any more wiser than those that use calculators.
It did for me. I understood exponents easily because of log table.s It helped me get my current job since the answer one of the interview questions can be easily teased out using logs. I can still do quick math with logs.. Consequently, I subscribe to the 3 Ls principle (Long live logs.. )
On the flipside. I've lived in a country where an above average 16 year old could not do long division or long multiplication, had never seen a fuse, could not figure out where an electron goes in an Atom.... and the average citizen only knows one two countries in Africa.... South Africa and Africa, and to top it off a Bsc graduate who couldn't name the planets (in any order), had never heard of mole theory, didn't know what a neutrino is and hadn't visited (and didn't know it was there) a major tourist attraction that was 20kms away.
Phew, I'd rather know how to read music sheets than not. I'd rather know mole theory that not... By induction, I'd rather know than be ignorant.
This is a very good initiative, highly commendable :-)
bernard
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 2:57 PM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd <kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
Stephen,
With all due respect that's a pretty dumb argument you make. What has the reading experience done for us? Are we more intelligent, more articulate or what?
The purpose is to impart knowledge no matter the medium. In that case then we should never use calculators and should instead use sticks stones and toes.
Kiania D
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 1:07 PM, ndungu stephen < ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote:
I dont think its a good idea to give kids ebooks; unless the situation is really dire..
In the interest of saving their eyes; and taking away the wonder of turning the book pages - dont you think it robs them of the same reading experience we had?
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On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I think it is a wonderful plan and should be replicated allover the country. I used to love reading books on history, science and even the works of socrates and was restricted to what the librarian at my school stocked. If I had access to 3000 books I believe I would have read a lot more and not have spent so much time on the TV.
the underlying principle is good - "lets encourage more reading, and improve access to reading" , but lets keep that aside for the moment, since it is mainly a statement of intent. Lets start with the idea of a ebook reader -- it requires : 1* electricity - to charge the ebook reader 2* a computer - to add/remove books, update the software etc. 3* cost - ~ $100 / ebook reader (if it drops, it breaks - yes, i have broken a kindle myself in that simple way ) , ~ $300 cheap computer laptop , ~ running cost - electricity (fuel) the link mentioned that the project provided a generator to charge the ebook readers. project cycles are dependent on funding -- anywhere between quarterly cycles to yearly. very very few projects extend into having a vision beyond a funding cycle or in terms of time -- lets say "a decade". this thing doesnt look sustainable once the project cycle runs out. they could as well have dropped money from an aeroplane.
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 8:07 AM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info> wrote:
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I think it is a wonderful plan and should be replicated allover the country. I used to love reading books on history, science and even the works of socrates and was restricted to what the librarian at my school stocked. If I had access to 3000 books I believe I would have read a lot more and not have spent so much time on the TV.
the underlying principle is good - "lets encourage more reading, and improve access to reading" , but lets keep that aside for the moment, since it is mainly a statement of intent.
Lets start with the idea of a ebook reader -- it requires : 1* electricity - to charge the ebook reader
Ebook readers sip power. Modding them to use embedded solar panels may actually work
2* a computer - to add/remove books, update the software etc.
Or comes equiped with 3G and accesses your library in school or.... pay a small fee to a business that runs book rentals and you have access to their entire library.
3* cost - ~ $100 / ebook reader (if it drops, it breaks - yes, i have broken a kindle myself in that simple way ) ,
True. I broke my ebook reader's substrate by placing my elbow on it... The eink substrate can be ruined easily. They can be hardened though.. Thicker glass perhaps? http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77420&page=2&langid=2
~ $300 cheap computer laptop ,
Not necessary.. Use 3g
~ running cost - electricity (fuel)
the link mentioned that the project provided a generator to charge the ebook readers.
project cycles are dependent on funding -- anywhere between quarterly cycles to yearly. very very few projects extend into having a vision beyond a funding cycle or in terms of time -- lets say "a decade".
this thing doesnt look sustainable once the project cycle runs out. they could as well have dropped money from an aeroplane.
Solar cells on the ebook reader or a community solar charger would also work. And, it would outlive the ebook reader. A solar panel can easily last 20 years. Here's some math (Caveat: These are estimates.): Used to own a pocketbook 302: http://www.pocketbookreader.com/PocketBook_302.html It could easily go for a month on a single charge and I could read a book in direct sunlight. Battery capacity: 2050 mAh Drains in 4 weeks assuming 6 hours use for 5 days => In [6]: 2.050/(4*6*5) Out[6]: 0.017083333333333332 That's 170 milliamperes Assuming a battery that produces 3.7 volts, we are sucking (Watts = volts*amps) from the batt In [7]: 3.7*2.050/(4*6*5) Out[7]: 0.06320833333333334 0.06 watts. Assuming we have 50% loss from the circuitry, battery charging etc, we need to replenish the number above * 2 to be on the safe side 0.12 watts. That should be easily covered by a solar charger Here's a 10 USD 1 watt solar panel: http://www.adafruit.com/products/262 See: http://www.ladyada.net/make/solarlipo/ http://www.wired.co.uk/magazine/archive/2010/03/how-to/how-to-make-your-own-... http://www.solideas.com/solrcell/english.html http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/03/donutsolar/ Or maybe, we should wait for Mirasol - http://www.mirasoldisplays.com/kyobo
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Laban -- You make many good points about how it could be done better -- but as you can see there are many ifs-buts related to either technology being immature/unsuitable, absence of infrastructure and of course the problem of obsolescence and use ("ebook reader has a problem. cannot be fixed, we stopped making that model 2 years ago. buy a new one" ) . Since the goal is to "make kids read more" rather than "make them read more on an e-reader" , i wonder why a dead-tree book isnt considered a good solution (someone actually asked me "are you serious" with exclamations) - unbreakable, easily fixed, not prone to obsolescence. A library with a 1000 books is more difficult to achieve ? On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Laban Mwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
Lets start with the idea of a ebook reader -- it requires :
1* electricity - to charge the ebook reader
Ebook readers sip power. Modding them to use embedded solar panels may actually work
2* a computer - to add/remove books, update the software etc.
Or comes equiped with 3G and accesses your library in school or.... pay a small fee to a business that runs book rentals and you have access to their entire library.
3* cost - ~ $100 / ebook reader (if it drops, it breaks - yes, i have broken a kindle myself in that simple way ) ,
True. I broke my ebook reader's substrate by placing my elbow on it... The eink substrate can be ruined easily. They can be hardened though.. Thicker glass perhaps? http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77420&page=2&langid=2
~ $300 cheap computer laptop ,
Not necessary.. Use 3g
~ running cost - electricity (fuel)
the link mentioned that the project provided a generator to charge the ebook readers.
project cycles are dependent on funding -- anywhere between quarterly cycles to yearly. very very few projects extend into having a vision beyond a funding cycle or in terms of time -- lets say "a decade".
this thing doesnt look sustainable once the project cycle runs out. they could as well have dropped money from an aeroplane.
Solar cells on the ebook reader or a community solar charger would also work. And, it would outlive the ebook reader. A solar panel can easily last 20 years.
Here's some math (Caveat: These are estimates.): Used to own a pocketbook 302: http://www.pocketbookreader.com/PocketBook_302.html It could easily go for a month on a single charge and I could read a book in direct sunlight. Battery capacity: 2050 mAh Drains in 4 weeks assuming 6 hours use for 5 days =>
In [6]: 2.050/(4*6*5) Out[6]: 0.017083333333333332 That's 170 milliamperes
Assuming a battery that produces 3.7 volts, we are sucking (Watts = volts*amps) from the batt In [7]: 3.7*2.050/(4*6*5) Out[7]: 0.06320833333333334 0.06 watts.
Assuming we have 50% loss from the circuitry, battery charging etc, we need to replenish the number above * 2 to be on the safe side 0.12 watts.
That should be easily covered by a solar charger
Here's a 10 USD 1 watt solar panel: http://www.adafruit.com/products/262
See: http://www.ladyada.net/make/solarlipo/
http://www.wired.co.uk/magazine/archive/2010/03/how-to/how-to-make-your-own-... http://www.solideas.com/solrcell/english.html http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/03/donutsolar/
Or maybe, we should wait for Mirasol - http://www.mirasoldisplays.com/kyobo
Many (unfortunately) wouldn't read, ebook or paper back. There's still more who would love to read but don't have sufficient books. I wonder whether this would work in Kenya (I have my doubts): http://www.boston.com/ae/books/articles/2011/10/14/public_bookshelves_spread... -- Josiah Mugambi On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 1:29 PM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info> wrote:
Laban --
You make many good points about how it could be done better -- but as you can see there are many ifs-buts related to either technology being immature/unsuitable, absence of infrastructure and of course the problem of obsolescence and use ("ebook reader has a problem. cannot be fixed, we stopped making that model 2 years ago. buy a new one" ) .
Since the goal is to "make kids read more" rather than "make them read more on an e-reader" , i wonder why a dead-tree book isnt considered a good solution (someone actually asked me "are you serious" with exclamations) - unbreakable, easily fixed, not prone to obsolescence. A library with a 1000 books is more difficult to achieve ?
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Laban Mwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
Lets start with the idea of a ebook reader -- it requires :
1* electricity - to charge the ebook reader
Ebook readers sip power. Modding them to use embedded solar panels may actually work
2* a computer - to add/remove books, update the software etc.
Or comes equiped with 3G and accesses your library in school or.... pay a small fee to a business that runs book rentals and you have access to their entire library.
3* cost - ~ $100 / ebook reader (if it drops, it breaks - yes, i have broken a kindle myself in that simple way ) ,
True. I broke my ebook reader's substrate by placing my elbow on it... The eink substrate can be ruined easily. They can be hardened though.. Thicker glass perhaps? http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77420&page=2&langid=2
~ $300 cheap computer laptop ,
Not necessary.. Use 3g
~ running cost - electricity (fuel)
the link mentioned that the project provided a generator to charge the ebook readers.
project cycles are dependent on funding -- anywhere between quarterly cycles to yearly. very very few projects extend into having a vision beyond a funding cycle or in terms of time -- lets say "a decade".
this thing doesnt look sustainable once the project cycle runs out. they could as well have dropped money from an aeroplane.
Solar cells on the ebook reader or a community solar charger would also work. And, it would outlive the ebook reader. A solar panel can easily last 20 years.
Here's some math (Caveat: These are estimates.): Used to own a pocketbook 302: http://www.pocketbookreader.com/PocketBook_302.html It could easily go for a month on a single charge and I could read a book in direct sunlight. Battery capacity: 2050 mAh Drains in 4 weeks assuming 6 hours use for 5 days =>
In [6]: 2.050/(4*6*5) Out[6]: 0.017083333333333332 That's 170 milliamperes
Assuming a battery that produces 3.7 volts, we are sucking (Watts = volts*amps) from the batt In [7]: 3.7*2.050/(4*6*5) Out[7]: 0.06320833333333334 0.06 watts.
Assuming we have 50% loss from the circuitry, battery charging etc, we need to replenish the number above * 2 to be on the safe side 0.12 watts.
That should be easily covered by a solar charger
Here's a 10 USD 1 watt solar panel: http://www.adafruit.com/products/262
See: http://www.ladyada.net/make/solarlipo/
http://www.wired.co.uk/magazine/archive/2010/03/how-to/how-to-make-your-own-... http://www.solideas.com/solrcell/english.html http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/03/donutsolar/
Or maybe, we should wait for Mirasol - http://www.mirasoldisplays.com/kyobo
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Unless there is a new model, all the Kindles I know (except the fire) are not backlit On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:39 PM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd < kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
For those who din't get the story, A school in Kilgoris has gotten support from a US organization and gotten Amazon Kindles which carries all their text books including local curriculum like Kiswahili Mufti etc
The kindles can hold up to 3000 books and are charged once a month using a generator. It's actually not hard to imagine that all text books in each class can fit in a kindle saving cost and improving technology awareness.
The one thing I really loved about it is that since the kindle is back-light the children don't have to light a lamp to read #win.
Elated
Kiania D
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Memusi <tonatech@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Skunks did we have ebooks in our days or the world is changing.?
I hope my fellow Kenyans will not hit that school and steal em'
-- Regards
Memusi
Communication is vital in this century....
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