Hello My phone was stolen and also a friend's too but something tells me that the crooks either play with the IMEI or are re-packaged and sold in other african countries.Just thinking loud. Who else thinks like me.Or it might be a serious cartel. Hazirudi kwa mtandao bwana humu nchini. -- Regards Memusi Communication is vital in this century....
Maybe you can confirm if the bootloader is locked, depending on this, IMEI can or can't be changed.
I agree. Three possibilities: 1. The stolen phones are yet to get a buyer :) 2. The stolen phones are now generating revenue for another operator other than the one you are monitoring on 3. God forbid, the IMEIs of the stolen phones have been tampered with (changed to something that is deemed valid to the local operators) The show-stopper in containing handset theft is more operational/regulatory than technical. So long as a handset blacklisted on one network can still be used on another regional network, we are in for a looong ride. Simple collaboration between the regional OpCos (sharing of blacklisted IMEIs) will drastically cut down the market for stolen handsets. But then, it's all about the bottom line... not so? *PS : Am I misguided to think that the enforcement of the 'fake-phone-switch-off' was superficially done? My guess is that these OpCo's may simply be sniffing out for handsets that bear no IMEI as opposed to doing a comprehensive look-up of the IMEIs that latch onto their network. (GSMA has the full database)*
Naomba Local and Regional OpCos waungane mkono.A mohammed Ali shud do an investigation on this. On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Tony Likhanga <tlikhanga@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree. Three possibilities:
1. The stolen phones are yet to get a buyer :) 2. The stolen phones are now generating revenue for another operator other than the one you are monitoring on 3. God forbid, the IMEIs of the stolen phones have been tampered with (changed to something that is deemed valid to the local operators)
The show-stopper in containing handset theft is more operational/regulatory than technical.
So long as a handset blacklisted on one network can still be used on another regional network, we are in for a looong ride. Simple collaboration between the regional OpCos (sharing of blacklisted IMEIs) will drastically cut down the market for stolen handsets. But then, it's all about the bottom line... not so?
*PS : Am I misguided to think that the enforcement of the 'fake-phone-switch-off' was superficially done? My guess is that these OpCo's may simply be sniffing out for handsets that bear no IMEI as opposed to doing a comprehensive look-up of the IMEIs that latch onto their network. (GSMA has the full database)*
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While we're on the subject and knowing full well that we will all eventually fall victim to the same...what are some of the measures you can take for protection and after? On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Memusi <tonatech@gmail.com> wrote:
Naomba Local and Regional OpCos waungane mkono.A mohammed Ali shud do an investigation on this.
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Tony Likhanga <tlikhanga@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree. Three possibilities:
1. The stolen phones are yet to get a buyer :) 2. The stolen phones are now generating revenue for another operator other than the one you are monitoring on 3. God forbid, the IMEIs of the stolen phones have been tampered with (changed to something that is deemed valid to the local operators)
The show-stopper in containing handset theft is more operational/regulatory than technical.
So long as a handset blacklisted on one network can still be used on another regional network, we are in for a looong ride. Simple collaboration between the regional OpCos (sharing of blacklisted IMEIs) will drastically cut down the market for stolen handsets. But then, it's all about the bottom line... not so?
PS : Am I misguided to think that the enforcement of the 'fake-phone-switch-off' was superficially done? My guess is that these OpCo's may simply be sniffing out for handsets that bear no IMEI as opposed to doing a comprehensive look-up of the IMEIs that latch onto their network. (GSMA has the full database)
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Hi Claude, 1. Buy Samsung phones - there are those with tracking capability - sending SMS when SIM card is changed Let me say here and now that I don't trust any Android trackers as they can be circumvented. 2. Take insurance for your phone and stop worrying about theft - or any other damage that renders it useless. On 12 February 2013 09:10, Claude D'souza <claudedsouza1@gmail.com> wrote:
While we're on the subject and knowing full well that we will all eventually fall victim to the same...what are some of the measures you can take for protection and after?
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Memusi <tonatech@gmail.com> wrote:
Naomba Local and Regional OpCos waungane mkono.A mohammed Ali shud do an investigation on this.
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Tony Likhanga <tlikhanga@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree. Three possibilities:
1. The stolen phones are yet to get a buyer :) 2. The stolen phones are now generating revenue for another operator other than the one you are monitoring on 3. God forbid, the IMEIs of the stolen phones have been tampered with (changed to something that is deemed valid to the local operators)
The show-stopper in containing handset theft is more operational/regulatory than technical.
So long as a handset blacklisted on one network can still be used on another regional network, we are in for a looong ride. Simple collaboration between the regional OpCos (sharing of blacklisted IMEIs) will drastically cut down the market for stolen handsets. But
then,
it's all about the bottom line... not so?
PS : Am I misguided to think that the enforcement of the 'fake-phone-switch-off' was superficially done? My guess is that these OpCo's may simply be sniffing out for handsets that bear no IMEI as opposed to doing a comprehensive look-up of the IMEIs that latch onto their network. (GSMA has the full database)
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Claude Good question and I think in the lines of creating an independent database that will keep a list of all blacklisted stolen items and then create awareness to the public as well as make the ISPs use it. Thanks Jackson On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
Hi Claude,
1. Buy Samsung phones - there are those with tracking capability - sending SMS when SIM card is changed Let me say here and now that I don't trust any Android trackers as they can be circumvented. 2. Take insurance for your phone and stop worrying about theft - or any other damage that renders it useless.
On 12 February 2013 09:10, Claude D'souza <claudedsouza1@gmail.com> wrote:
While we're on the subject and knowing full well that we will all eventually fall victim to the same...what are some of the measures you can take for protection and after?
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Memusi <tonatech@gmail.com> wrote:
Naomba Local and Regional OpCos waungane mkono.A mohammed Ali shud do an investigation on this.
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Tony Likhanga <tlikhanga@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree. Three possibilities:
1. The stolen phones are yet to get a buyer :) 2. The stolen phones are now generating revenue for another operator other than the one you are monitoring on 3. God forbid, the IMEIs of the stolen phones have been tampered with (changed to something that is deemed valid to the local operators)
The show-stopper in containing handset theft is more operational/regulatory than technical.
So long as a handset blacklisted on one network can still be used on another regional network, we are in for a looong ride. Simple collaboration between the regional OpCos (sharing of blacklisted IMEIs) will drastically cut down the market for stolen handsets. But
then,
it's all about the bottom line... not so?
PS : Am I misguided to think that the enforcement of the 'fake-phone-switch-off' was superficially done? My guess is that these OpCo's may simply be sniffing out for handsets that bear no IMEI as opposed to doing a comprehensive look-up of the IMEIs that latch onto their network. (GSMA has the full database)
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Washington,as much as Samsung makes nice phones I might have my own preferences,what then? Also what kind of rates are offered,and by who for insuring said phone? is there anyone out there who's been successful recovering a stolen/lost phone? And can we all agree that there is a huge market for these phones given the low prices and easy access... On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Jac <jack.gathoni@gmail.com> wrote:
Claude
Good question and I think in the lines of creating an independent database that will keep a list of all blacklisted stolen items and then create awareness to the public as well as make the ISPs use it.
Thanks Jackson
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Claude,
1. Buy Samsung phones - there are those with tracking capability - sending SMS when SIM card is changed Let me say here and now that I don't trust any Android trackers as they can be circumvented. 2. Take insurance for your phone and stop worrying about theft - or any other damage that renders it useless.
On 12 February 2013 09:10, Claude D'souza <claudedsouza1@gmail.com> wrote:
While we're on the subject and knowing full well that we will all eventually fall victim to the same...what are some of the measures you can take for protection and after?
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Memusi <tonatech@gmail.com> wrote:
Naomba Local and Regional OpCos waungane mkono.A mohammed Ali shud do an investigation on this.
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Tony Likhanga <tlikhanga@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree. Three possibilities:
1. The stolen phones are yet to get a buyer :) 2. The stolen phones are now generating revenue for another operator other than the one you are monitoring on 3. God forbid, the IMEIs of the stolen phones have been tampered with (changed to something that is deemed valid to the local operators)
The show-stopper in containing handset theft is more operational/regulatory than technical.
So long as a handset blacklisted on one network can still be used on another regional network, we are in for a looong ride. Simple collaboration between the regional OpCos (sharing of blacklisted IMEIs) will drastically cut down the market for stolen handsets. But then, it's all about the bottom line... not so?
PS : Am I misguided to think that the enforcement of the 'fake-phone-switch-off' was superficially done? My guess is that these OpCo's may simply be sniffing out for handsets that bear no IMEI as opposed to doing a comprehensive look-up of the IMEIs that latch onto their network. (GSMA has the full database)
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My point about Samsung was just a clue, and yes, I think it's only Samsung phones that have the feature. If your Samsung is not your choice, then point number 2 applies. Most insurance companies have a Domestic Policy package that can cover everything you own, and electronics live phones, cameras, etc are covered under "all risks". You need to figure out what that terminology stands for but it's what I always count on - If my phone fell and broke into pieces, fell into water and stopped working, got stolen - I get indemnified. The premium is actually quite minimal. Singling it out from among the household items covered, it looks like I pay about 800 to cover a phone worth 32,000. On 12 February 2013 09:30, Claude D'souza <claudedsouza1@gmail.com> wrote:
Washington,as much as Samsung makes nice phones I might have my own preferences,what then? Also what kind of rates are offered,and by who for insuring said phone? is there anyone out there who's been successful recovering a stolen/lost phone? And can we all agree that there is a huge market for these phones given the low prices and easy access...
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Jac <jack.gathoni@gmail.com> wrote:
Claude
Good question and I think in the lines of creating an independent database that will keep a list of all blacklisted stolen items and then create awareness to the public as well as make the ISPs use it.
Thanks Jackson
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi Claude,
1. Buy Samsung phones - there are those with tracking capability -
sending
SMS when SIM card is changed Let me say here and now that I don't trust any Android trackers as they can be circumvented. 2. Take insurance for your phone and stop worrying about theft - or any other damage that renders it useless.
On 12 February 2013 09:10, Claude D'souza <claudedsouza1@gmail.com> wrote:
While we're on the subject and knowing full well that we will all eventually fall victim to the same...what are some of the measures you can take for protection and after?
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Memusi <tonatech@gmail.com> wrote:
Naomba Local and Regional OpCos waungane mkono.A mohammed Ali shud do an investigation on this.
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Tony Likhanga <tlikhanga@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree. Three possibilities:
1. The stolen phones are yet to get a buyer :) 2. The stolen phones are now generating revenue for another
operator
other than the one you are monitoring on 3. God forbid, the IMEIs of the stolen phones have been tampered with (changed to something that is deemed valid to the local operators)
The show-stopper in containing handset theft is more operational/regulatory than technical.
So long as a handset blacklisted on one network can still be used on another regional network, we are in for a looong ride. Simple collaboration between the regional OpCos (sharing of blacklisted IMEIs) will drastically cut down the market for stolen handsets. But then, it's all about the bottom line... not so?
PS : Am I misguided to think that the enforcement of the 'fake-phone-switch-off' was superficially done? My guess is that these OpCo's may simply be sniffing out for handsets that bear no IMEI as opposed to doing a comprehensive look-up of the IMEIs that latch onto their network. (GSMA has the full database)
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In the recent past visiting the CID HQ in Muthaiga with a good amount of 'chai' for their motivation got your phone back in 2 weeks. Stealing of phones is considered robbery with violence and thus a pretty serious crime. I imagine it is not rocket science for the authorities to follow your phone as it changes sims and thus establish the transactions going on. With IMEI changing this will be arguably be harder but most petty thieves are unlikley to have advanced knowledge on tinkering with IMEIs. I would go with the CID or police if the phone is highly valuable and take some motivation with you. On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
My point about Samsung was just a clue, and yes, I think it's only Samsung phones that have the feature. If your Samsung is not your choice, then point number 2 applies. Most insurance companies have a Domestic Policy package that can cover everything you own, and electronics live phones, cameras, etc are covered under "all risks". You need to figure out what that terminology stands for but it's what I always count on - If my phone fell and broke into pieces, fell into water and stopped working, got stolen - I get indemnified. The premium is actually quite minimal. Singling it out from among the household items covered, it looks like I pay about 800 to cover a phone worth 32,000.
On 12 February 2013 09:30, Claude D'souza <claudedsouza1@gmail.com> wrote:
Washington,as much as Samsung makes nice phones I might have my own preferences,what then? Also what kind of rates are offered,and by who for insuring said phone? is there anyone out there who's been successful recovering a stolen/lost phone? And can we all agree that there is a huge market for these phones given the low prices and easy access...
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Jac <jack.gathoni@gmail.com> wrote:
Claude
Good question and I think in the lines of creating an independent database that will keep a list of all blacklisted stolen items and then create awareness to the public as well as make the ISPs use it.
Thanks Jackson
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Claude,
1. Buy Samsung phones - there are those with tracking capability -
sending
SMS when SIM card is changed Let me say here and now that I don't trust any Android trackers as they can be circumvented. 2. Take insurance for your phone and stop worrying about theft - or any other damage that renders it useless.
On 12 February 2013 09:10, Claude D'souza <claudedsouza1@gmail.com> wrote:
While we're on the subject and knowing full well that we will all eventually fall victim to the same...what are some of the measures you can take for protection and after?
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Memusi <tonatech@gmail.com> wrote:
Naomba Local and Regional OpCos waungane mkono.A mohammed Ali shud
do
an investigation on this.
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Tony Likhanga <tlikhanga@gmail.com
wrote: > > I agree. Three possibilities: > > 1. The stolen phones are yet to get a buyer :) > 2. The stolen phones are now generating revenue for another operator > other than the one you are monitoring on > 3. God forbid, the IMEIs of the stolen phones have been tampered with > (changed to something that is deemed valid to the local operators) > > The show-stopper in containing handset theft is more > operational/regulatory than technical. > > So long as a handset blacklisted on one network can still be used on > another regional network, we are in for a looong ride. > Simple collaboration between the regional OpCos (sharing of > blacklisted > IMEIs) will drastically cut down the market for stolen handsets. But > then, > it's all about the bottom line... not so? > > PS : Am I misguided to think that the enforcement of the > 'fake-phone-switch-off' was superficially done? My guess is that these > OpCo's may simply be sniffing out for handsets that bear no IMEI as > opposed > to doing a comprehensive look-up of the IMEIs that latch onto their > network. > (GSMA has the full database) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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Ahh yes,the good ol' kenyan way of operating. Given the increasing value of phones and the data contained I wouldn't mind having that card to play. Mwangi did you have a particular 'guy' at CID who proved most accessible and helpful? if so what's the name and number we should all commit to memory? On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
In the recent past visiting the CID HQ in Muthaiga with a good amount of 'chai' for their motivation got your phone back in 2 weeks. Stealing of phones is considered robbery with violence and thus a pretty serious crime. I imagine it is not rocket science for the authorities to follow your phone as it changes sims and thus establish the transactions going on.
With IMEI changing this will be arguably be harder but most petty thieves are unlikley to have advanced knowledge on tinkering with IMEIs. I would go with the CID or police if the phone is highly valuable and take some motivation with you.
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
My point about Samsung was just a clue, and yes, I think it's only Samsung phones that have the feature. If your Samsung is not your choice, then point number 2 applies. Most insurance companies have a Domestic Policy package that can cover everything you own, and electronics live phones, cameras, etc are covered under "all risks". You need to figure out what that terminology stands for but it's what I always count on - If my phone fell and broke into pieces, fell into water and stopped working, got stolen - I get indemnified. The premium is actually quite minimal. Singling it out from among the household items covered, it looks like I pay about 800 to cover a phone worth 32,000.
On 12 February 2013 09:30, Claude D'souza <claudedsouza1@gmail.com> wrote:
Washington,as much as Samsung makes nice phones I might have my own preferences,what then? Also what kind of rates are offered,and by who for insuring said phone? is there anyone out there who's been successful recovering a stolen/lost phone? And can we all agree that there is a huge market for these phones given the low prices and easy access...
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Jac <jack.gathoni@gmail.com> wrote:
Claude
Good question and I think in the lines of creating an independent database that will keep a list of all blacklisted stolen items and then create awareness to the public as well as make the ISPs use it.
Thanks Jackson
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Claude,
1. Buy Samsung phones - there are those with tracking capability - sending SMS when SIM card is changed Let me say here and now that I don't trust any Android trackers as they can be circumvented. 2. Take insurance for your phone and stop worrying about theft - or any other damage that renders it useless.
On 12 February 2013 09:10, Claude D'souza <claudedsouza1@gmail.com> wrote:
While we're on the subject and knowing full well that we will all eventually fall victim to the same...what are some of the measures you can take for protection and after?
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Memusi <tonatech@gmail.com> wrote: > Naomba Local and Regional OpCos waungane mkono.A mohammed Ali shud > do > an > investigation on this. > > > On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Tony Likhanga > <tlikhanga@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> I agree. Three possibilities: >> >> 1. The stolen phones are yet to get a buyer :) >> 2. The stolen phones are now generating revenue for another >> operator >> other than the one you are monitoring on >> 3. God forbid, the IMEIs of the stolen phones have been tampered >> with >> (changed to something that is deemed valid to the local operators) >> >> The show-stopper in containing handset theft is more >> operational/regulatory than technical. >> >> So long as a handset blacklisted on one network can still be used >> on >> another regional network, we are in for a looong ride. >> Simple collaboration between the regional OpCos (sharing of >> blacklisted >> IMEIs) will drastically cut down the market for stolen handsets. >> But >> then, >> it's all about the bottom line... not so? >> >> PS : Am I misguided to think that the enforcement of the >> 'fake-phone-switch-off' was superficially done? My guess is that >> these >> OpCo's may simply be sniffing out for handsets that bear no IMEI >> as >> opposed >> to doing a comprehensive look-up of the IMEIs that latch onto >> their >> network. >> (GSMA has the full database) >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > > > -- > Regards > > Memusi > > Communication is vital in this century.... > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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LOL!! @Claude, you're trying to crack our ribs, right? On 12 February 2013 11:37, Claude D'souza <claudedsouza1@gmail.com> wrote:
Ahh yes,the good ol' kenyan way of operating. Given the increasing value of phones and the data contained I wouldn't mind having that card to play. Mwangi did you have a particular 'guy' at CID who proved most accessible and helpful? if so what's the name and number we should all commit to memory?
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
In the recent past visiting the CID HQ in Muthaiga with a good amount of 'chai' for their motivation got your phone back in 2 weeks. Stealing of phones is considered robbery with violence and thus a pretty serious crime. I imagine it is not rocket science for the authorities to follow your phone as it changes sims and thus establish the transactions going on.
With IMEI changing this will be arguably be harder but most petty thieves are unlikley to have advanced knowledge on tinkering with IMEIs. I would go with the CID or police if the phone is highly valuable and take some motivation with you.
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
My point about Samsung was just a clue, and yes, I think it's only
Samsung
phones that have the feature. If your Samsung is not your choice, then point number 2 applies. Most insurance companies have a Domestic Policy package that can cover everything you own, and electronics live phones, cameras, etc are covered under "all risks". You need to figure out what that terminology stands for but it's what I always count on - If my phone fell and broke into pieces, fell into water and stopped working, got stolen - I get indemnified. The premium is actually quite minimal. Singling it out from among the household items covered, it looks like I pay about 800 to cover a phone worth 32,000.
On 12 February 2013 09:30, Claude D'souza <claudedsouza1@gmail.com> wrote:
Washington,as much as Samsung makes nice phones I might have my own preferences,what then? Also what kind of rates are offered,and by who for insuring said phone? is there anyone out there who's been successful recovering a stolen/lost phone? And can we all agree that there is a huge market for these phones given the low prices and easy access...
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Jac <jack.gathoni@gmail.com> wrote:
Claude
Good question and I think in the lines of creating an independent database that will keep a list of all blacklisted stolen items and then create awareness to the public as well as make the ISPs use it.
Thanks Jackson
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Claude,
1. Buy Samsung phones - there are those with tracking capability - sending SMS when SIM card is changed Let me say here and now that I don't trust any Android trackers
as
they can be circumvented. 2. Take insurance for your phone and stop worrying about theft - or any other damage that renders it useless.
On 12 February 2013 09:10, Claude D'souza <claudedsouza1@gmail.com> wrote: > > While we're on the subject and knowing full well that we will all > eventually fall victim to the same...what are some of the measures > you > can take for protection and after? > > On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Memusi <tonatech@gmail.com> wrote: > > Naomba Local and Regional OpCos waungane mkono.A mohammed Ali shud > > do > > an > > investigation on this. > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Tony Likhanga > > <tlikhanga@gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> I agree. Three possibilities: > >> > >> 1. The stolen phones are yet to get a buyer :) > >> 2. The stolen phones are now generating revenue for another > >> operator > >> other than the one you are monitoring on > >> 3. God forbid, the IMEIs of the stolen phones have been tampered > >> with > >> (changed to something that is deemed valid to the local operators) > >> > >> The show-stopper in containing handset theft is more > >> operational/regulatory than technical. > >> > >> So long as a handset blacklisted on one network can still be used > >> on > >> another regional network, we are in for a looong ride. > >> Simple collaboration between the regional OpCos (sharing of > >> blacklisted > >> IMEIs) will drastically cut down the market for stolen handsets. > >> But > >> then, > >> it's all about the bottom line... not so? > >> > >> PS : Am I misguided to think that the enforcement of the > >> 'fake-phone-switch-off' was superficially done? My guess is that > >> these > >> OpCo's may simply be sniffing out for handsets that bear no IMEI > >> as > >> opposed > >> to doing a comprehensive look-up of the IMEIs that latch onto > >> their > >> network. > >> (GSMA has the full database) > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> skunkworks mailing list > >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > >> ------------ > >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > >> ------------ > >> > >> Skunkworks Rules > >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > >> ------------ > >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Regards > > > > Memusi > > > > Communication is vital in this century.... > > > > _______________________________________________ > > skunkworks mailing list > > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > > ------------ > > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > > ------------ > > > > Skunkworks Rules > > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > > ------------ > > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > > -- > Claude A. D'souza > Personal Mobile: 0722887311 > Work Phone Kenya: 0202012707 > Work Phone UK: 02036170719 > Email: claudedsouza1@gmail.com > LinkedIn: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/claudedsouza > Skype: claude.dsouza.hallmark > > > DISCLAIMER: The information contained in or accompanying this e-mail > is intended for the use of the stated recipient only. > It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged > information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any > mis-transmission. > If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it > and > all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and > notify the sender. > You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, > print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended > recipient. > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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Im dead serious..infact we should have a helpful thread of 'guys' i.e Govt docs guy,Insurance guy,CID guy,lawyer guy, etc because at some point we will be in a tight spot and need them. better safe than sorry On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 5:15 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
LOL!!
@Claude, you're trying to crack our ribs, right?
On 12 February 2013 11:37, Claude D'souza <claudedsouza1@gmail.com> wrote:
Ahh yes,the good ol' kenyan way of operating. Given the increasing value of phones and the data contained I wouldn't mind having that card to play. Mwangi did you have a particular 'guy' at CID who proved most accessible and helpful? if so what's the name and number we should all commit to memory?
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
In the recent past visiting the CID HQ in Muthaiga with a good amount of 'chai' for their motivation got your phone back in 2 weeks. Stealing of phones is considered robbery with violence and thus a pretty serious crime. I imagine it is not rocket science for the authorities to follow your phone as it changes sims and thus establish the transactions going on.
With IMEI changing this will be arguably be harder but most petty thieves are unlikley to have advanced knowledge on tinkering with IMEIs. I would go with the CID or police if the phone is highly valuable and take some motivation with you.
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
My point about Samsung was just a clue, and yes, I think it's only Samsung phones that have the feature. If your Samsung is not your choice, then point number 2 applies. Most insurance companies have a Domestic Policy package that can cover everything you own, and electronics live phones, cameras, etc are covered under "all risks". You need to figure out what that terminology stands for but it's what I always count on - If my phone fell and broke into pieces, fell into water and stopped working, got stolen - I get indemnified. The premium is actually quite minimal. Singling it out from among the household items covered, it looks like I pay about 800 to cover a phone worth 32,000.
On 12 February 2013 09:30, Claude D'souza <claudedsouza1@gmail.com> wrote:
Washington,as much as Samsung makes nice phones I might have my own preferences,what then? Also what kind of rates are offered,and by who for insuring said phone? is there anyone out there who's been successful recovering a stolen/lost phone? And can we all agree that there is a huge market for these phones given the low prices and easy access...
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Jac <jack.gathoni@gmail.com> wrote:
Claude
Good question and I think in the lines of creating an independent database that will keep a list of all blacklisted stolen items and then create awareness to the public as well as make the ISPs use it.
Thanks Jackson
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Claude, > > 1. Buy Samsung phones - there are those with tracking capability - > sending > SMS when SIM card is changed > Let me say here and now that I don't trust any Android trackers > as > they can be circumvented. > 2. Take insurance for your phone and stop worrying about theft - or > any > other damage that renders it useless. > > On 12 February 2013 09:10, Claude D'souza <claudedsouza1@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> While we're on the subject and knowing full well that we will all >> eventually fall victim to the same...what are some of the measures >> you >> can take for protection and after? >> >> On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Memusi <tonatech@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > Naomba Local and Regional OpCos waungane mkono.A mohammed Ali >> > shud >> > do >> > an >> > investigation on this. >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Tony Likhanga >> > <tlikhanga@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> I agree. Three possibilities: >> >> >> >> 1. The stolen phones are yet to get a buyer :) >> >> 2. The stolen phones are now generating revenue for another >> >> operator >> >> other than the one you are monitoring on >> >> 3. God forbid, the IMEIs of the stolen phones have been >> >> tampered >> >> with >> >> (changed to something that is deemed valid to the local >> >> operators) >> >> >> >> The show-stopper in containing handset theft is more >> >> operational/regulatory than technical. >> >> >> >> So long as a handset blacklisted on one network can still be >> >> used >> >> on >> >> another regional network, we are in for a looong ride. >> >> Simple collaboration between the regional OpCos (sharing of >> >> blacklisted >> >> IMEIs) will drastically cut down the market for stolen >> >> handsets. >> >> But >> >> then, >> >> it's all about the bottom line... not so? >> >> >> >> PS : Am I misguided to think that the enforcement of the >> >> 'fake-phone-switch-off' was superficially done? My guess is >> >> that >> >> these >> >> OpCo's may simply be sniffing out for handsets that bear no >> >> IMEI >> >> as >> >> opposed >> >> to doing a comprehensive look-up of the IMEIs that latch onto >> >> their >> >> network. >> >> (GSMA has the full database) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> skunkworks mailing list >> >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> >> ------------ >> >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> >> ------------ >> >> >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> >> ------------ >> >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Regards >> > >> > Memusi >> > >> > Communication is vital in this century.... >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > skunkworks mailing list >> > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> > ------------ >> > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> > ------------ >> > >> > Skunkworks Rules >> > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> > ------------ >> > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> >> >> >> -- >> Claude A. D'souza >> Personal Mobile: 0722887311 >> Work Phone Kenya: 0202012707 >> Work Phone UK: 02036170719 >> Email: claudedsouza1@gmail.com >> LinkedIn: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/claudedsouza >> Skype: claude.dsouza.hallmark >> >> >> DISCLAIMER: The information contained in or accompanying this >> e-mail >> is intended for the use of the stated recipient only. >> It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged >> information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by >> any >> mis-transmission. >> If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it >> and >> all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it >> and >> notify the sender. >> You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, >> print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the >> intended >> recipient. >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254733744121/+254722743223 > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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The govts doc guy + techie is right here! Plus I know a cople of CID and lawyer guys. And I'm serious! Eugene Kakai +254 72 272 6290 Twitter: @iPhoneKenya www.iphonekenya.blogspot.com Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: "Claude D'souza" <claudedsouza1@gmail.com> Sender: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 17:44:38 To: Skunkworks Mailing List<skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Reply-To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] STOLEN PHONES + IMEI Im dead serious..infact we should have a helpful thread of 'guys' i.e Govt docs guy,Insurance guy,CID guy,lawyer guy, etc because at some point we will be in a tight spot and need them. better safe than sorry On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 5:15 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
LOL!!
@Claude, you're trying to crack our ribs, right?
On 12 February 2013 11:37, Claude D'souza <claudedsouza1@gmail.com> wrote:
Ahh yes,the good ol' kenyan way of operating. Given the increasing value of phones and the data contained I wouldn't mind having that card to play. Mwangi did you have a particular 'guy' at CID who proved most accessible and helpful? if so what's the name and number we should all commit to memory?
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
In the recent past visiting the CID HQ in Muthaiga with a good amount of 'chai' for their motivation got your phone back in 2 weeks. Stealing of phones is considered robbery with violence and thus a pretty serious crime. I imagine it is not rocket science for the authorities to follow your phone as it changes sims and thus establish the transactions going on.
With IMEI changing this will be arguably be harder but most petty thieves are unlikley to have advanced knowledge on tinkering with IMEIs. I would go with the CID or police if the phone is highly valuable and take some motivation with you.
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
My point about Samsung was just a clue, and yes, I think it's only Samsung phones that have the feature. If your Samsung is not your choice, then point number 2 applies. Most insurance companies have a Domestic Policy package that can cover everything you own, and electronics live phones, cameras, etc are covered under "all risks". You need to figure out what that terminology stands for but it's what I always count on - If my phone fell and broke into pieces, fell into water and stopped working, got stolen - I get indemnified. The premium is actually quite minimal. Singling it out from among the household items covered, it looks like I pay about 800 to cover a phone worth 32,000.
On 12 February 2013 09:30, Claude D'souza <claudedsouza1@gmail.com> wrote:
Washington,as much as Samsung makes nice phones I might have my own preferences,what then? Also what kind of rates are offered,and by who for insuring said phone? is there anyone out there who's been successful recovering a stolen/lost phone? And can we all agree that there is a huge market for these phones given the low prices and easy access...
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Jac <jack.gathoni@gmail.com> wrote:
Claude
Good question and I think in the lines of creating an independent database that will keep a list of all blacklisted stolen items and then create awareness to the public as well as make the ISPs use it.
Thanks Jackson
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Claude, > > 1. Buy Samsung phones - there are those with tracking capability - > sending > SMS when SIM card is changed > Let me say here and now that I don't trust any Android trackers > as > they can be circumvented. > 2. Take insurance for your phone and stop worrying about theft - or > any > other damage that renders it useless. > > On 12 February 2013 09:10, Claude D'souza <claudedsouza1@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> While we're on the subject and knowing full well that we will all >> eventually fall victim to the same...what are some of the measures >> you >> can take for protection and after? >> >> On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Memusi <tonatech@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > Naomba Local and Regional OpCos waungane mkono.A mohammed Ali >> > shud >> > do >> > an >> > investigation on this. >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Tony Likhanga >> > <tlikhanga@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> I agree. Three possibilities: >> >> >> >> 1. The stolen phones are yet to get a buyer :) >> >> 2. The stolen phones are now generating revenue for another >> >> operator >> >> other than the one you are monitoring on >> >> 3. God forbid, the IMEIs of the stolen phones have been >> >> tampered >> >> with >> >> (changed to something that is deemed valid to the local >> >> operators) >> >> >> >> The show-stopper in containing handset theft is more >> >> operational/regulatory than technical. >> >> >> >> So long as a handset blacklisted on one network can still be >> >> used >> >> on >> >> another regional network, we are in for a looong ride. >> >> Simple collaboration between the regional OpCos (sharing of >> >> blacklisted >> >> IMEIs) will drastically cut down the market for stolen >> >> handsets. >> >> But >> >> then, >> >> it's all about the bottom line... not so? >> >> >> >> PS : Am I misguided to think that the enforcement of the >> >> 'fake-phone-switch-off' was superficially done? My guess is >> >> that >> >> these >> >> OpCo's may simply be sniffing out for handsets that bear no >> >> IMEI >> >> as >> >> opposed >> >> to doing a comprehensive look-up of the IMEIs that latch onto >> >> their >> >> network. >> >> (GSMA has the full database) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> skunkworks mailing list >> >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> >> ------------ >> >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> >> http://orion.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> >> ------------ >> >> >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> >> ------------ >> >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Regards >> > >> > Memusi >> > >> > Communication is vital in this century.... >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > skunkworks mailing list >> > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> > ------------ >> > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> > http://orion.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> > ------------ >> > >> > Skunkworks Rules >> > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> > ------------ >> > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> >> >> >> -- >> Claude A. D'souza >> Personal Mobile: 0722887311 >> Work Phone Kenya: 0202012707 >> Work Phone UK: 02036170719 >> Email: claudedsouza1@gmail.com >> LinkedIn: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/claudedsouza >> Skype: claude.dsouza.hallmark >> >> >> DISCLAIMER: The information contained in or accompanying this >> e-mail >> is intended for the use of the stated recipient only. >> It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged >> information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by >> any >> mis-transmission. >> If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it >> and >> all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it >> and >> notify the sender. >> You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, >> print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the >> intended >> recipient. >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://orion.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254733744121/+254722743223 > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://orion.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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Please share ? On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 5:15 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
LOL!!
@Claude, you're trying to crack our ribs, right?
On 12 February 2013 11:37, Claude D'souza <claudedsouza1@gmail.com> wrote:
Ahh yes,the good ol' kenyan way of operating. Given the increasing value of phones and the data contained I wouldn't mind having that card to play. Mwangi did you have a particular 'guy' at CID who proved most accessible and helpful? if so what's the name and number we should all commit to memory?
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
In the recent past visiting the CID HQ in Muthaiga with a good amount of 'chai' for their motivation got your phone back in 2 weeks. Stealing of phones is considered robbery with violence and thus a pretty serious crime. I imagine it is not rocket science for the authorities to follow your phone as it changes sims and thus establish the transactions going on.
With IMEI changing this will be arguably be harder but most petty thieves are unlikley to have advanced knowledge on tinkering with IMEIs. I would go with the CID or police if the phone is highly valuable and take some motivation with you.
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
My point about Samsung was just a clue, and yes, I think it's only
Samsung
phones that have the feature. If your Samsung is not your choice, then point number 2 applies. Most insurance companies have a Domestic Policy package that can cover everything you own, and electronics live phones, cameras, etc are covered under "all risks". You need to figure out what that terminology stands for but it's what I always count on - If my phone fell and broke into pieces, fell into water and stopped working, got stolen - I get indemnified. The premium is actually quite minimal. Singling it out from among the household items covered, it looks like I pay about 800 to cover a phone worth 32,000.
On 12 February 2013 09:30, Claude D'souza <claudedsouza1@gmail.com> wrote:
Washington,as much as Samsung makes nice phones I might have my own preferences,what then? Also what kind of rates are offered,and by who for insuring said phone? is there anyone out there who's been successful recovering a stolen/lost phone? And can we all agree that there is a huge market for these phones given the low prices and easy access...
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Jac <jack.gathoni@gmail.com> wrote:
Claude
Good question and I think in the lines of creating an independent database that will keep a list of all blacklisted stolen items and then
create
awareness to the public as well as make the ISPs use it.
Thanks Jackson
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Claude, > > 1. Buy Samsung phones - there are those with tracking capability - > sending > SMS when SIM card is changed > Let me say here and now that I don't trust any Android trackers as > they can be circumvented. > 2. Take insurance for your phone and stop worrying about theft - or > any > other damage that renders it useless. > > On 12 February 2013 09:10, Claude D'souza <claudedsouza1@gmail.com
> wrote: >> >> While we're on the subject and knowing full well that we will all >> eventually fall victim to the same...what are some of the measures >> you >> can take for protection and after? >> >> On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Memusi <tonatech@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Naomba Local and Regional OpCos waungane mkono.A mohammed Ali shud >> > do >> > an >> > investigation on this. >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Tony Likhanga >> > <tlikhanga@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> I agree. Three possibilities: >> >> >> >> 1. The stolen phones are yet to get a buyer :) >> >> 2. The stolen phones are now generating revenue for another >> >> operator >> >> other than the one you are monitoring on >> >> 3. God forbid, the IMEIs of the stolen phones have been tampered >> >> with >> >> (changed to something that is deemed valid to the local operators) >> >> >> >> The show-stopper in containing handset theft is more >> >> operational/regulatory than technical. >> >> >> >> So long as a handset blacklisted on one network can still be used >> >> on >> >> another regional network, we are in for a looong ride. >> >> Simple collaboration between the regional OpCos (sharing of >> >> blacklisted >> >> IMEIs) will drastically cut down the market for stolen handsets. >> >> But >> >> then, >> >> it's all about the bottom line... not so? >> >> >> >> PS : Am I misguided to think that the enforcement of the >> >> 'fake-phone-switch-off' was superficially done? My guess is that >> >> these >> >> OpCo's may simply be sniffing out for handsets that bear no IMEI >> >> as >> >> opposed >> >> to doing a comprehensive look-up of the IMEIs that latch onto >> >> their >> >> network. >> >> (GSMA has the full database) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> skunkworks mailing list >> >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> >> ------------ >> >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> >> ------------ >> >> >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> >> ------------ >> >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Regards >> > >> > Memusi >> > >> > Communication is vital in this century.... >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > skunkworks mailing list >> > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> > ------------ >> > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> > ------------ >> > >> > Skunkworks Rules >> > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> > ------------ >> > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> >> >> >> -- >> Claude A. D'souza >> Personal Mobile: 0722887311 >> Work Phone Kenya: 0202012707 >> Work Phone UK: 02036170719 >> Email: claudedsouza1@gmail.com >> LinkedIn: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/claudedsouza >> Skype: claude.dsouza.hallmark >> >> >> DISCLAIMER: The information contained in or accompanying this e-mail >> is intended for the use of the stated recipient only. >> It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged >> information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any >> mis-transmission. >> If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it >> and >> all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and >> notify the sender. >> You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, >> print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended >> recipient. >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254733744121/+254722743223 > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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-- Regards Memusi Communication is vital in this century....
How about a good old backup of important data on the phone, contacts especially? Should cover your bases even in the event of the inevitable phone-concrete merger. MB On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Claude D'souza <claudedsouza1@gmail.com>wrote:
While we're on the subject and knowing full well that we will all eventually fall victim to the same...what are some of the measures you can take for protection and after?
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Memusi <tonatech@gmail.com> wrote:
Naomba Local and Regional OpCos waungane mkono.A mohammed Ali shud do an investigation on this.
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Tony Likhanga <tlikhanga@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree. Three possibilities:
1. The stolen phones are yet to get a buyer :) 2. The stolen phones are now generating revenue for another operator other than the one you are monitoring on 3. God forbid, the IMEIs of the stolen phones have been tampered with (changed to something that is deemed valid to the local operators)
The show-stopper in containing handset theft is more operational/regulatory than technical.
So long as a handset blacklisted on one network can still be used on another regional network, we are in for a looong ride. Simple collaboration between the regional OpCos (sharing of blacklisted IMEIs) will drastically cut down the market for stolen handsets. But
then,
it's all about the bottom line... not so?
PS : Am I misguided to think that the enforcement of the 'fake-phone-switch-off' was superficially done? My guess is that these OpCo's may simply be sniffing out for handsets that bear no IMEI as opposed to doing a comprehensive look-up of the IMEIs that latch onto their network. (GSMA has the full database)
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Memusi
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Claude D'souza -
Dennis Kioko -
Eugene Kakai -
Jac -
Mark Mwangi -
Memusi -
MotoBaridi -
Odhiambo Washington -
Tony Likhanga