make your own broadband building solution or estate network
Create you own broadband network. Did you know you can connect the WAN port of a broadband router to the another? Its too simple........... domestic solution........... ( INTERNET on WIRELESS Eth port ) ! ! ! Port1LAN ETH Port !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ETH ! WAN !----------------------! Client 1 ! PORT ! Router ! ----- !ROUTER !-------------------CLIENT1 LAN ( private ips ) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Port2 LAN ! ! !-------------!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! Client 2 !------------------CLIENT2 LAN ( private ips ) ! Router ! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Subnet addressing : On WAN Router Public ethernet port 41.0.0.1 etc Public ethernet ports ( LAN side ) subnet 41.1.0.1 to 41.1.0.4 etc On Client 1 Router Public ethernet port port ( pick 1 ip address from Wan router lan ip block 41.1.0.1 ) On Client 2 Router Public ethernet port port ( pick 1 ip address from Wan router lan ip block 41.1.0.2 ) Simply remember WAN router can allow stub networks and allow static/dynamic routing. Enjoy. :-)
than the kawaida clients end up with today's internet speeds! anyway, im more inclined to the open source cloud of wireless networks around the city for the sole purpose of technology exchange. (and swapping BIG files). On 7/22/09, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Create you own broadband network. Did you know you can connect the WAN port of a broadband router to the another? Its too simple........... domestic solution...........
( INTERNET on WIRELESS Eth port ) ! ! ! Port1LAN ETH Port !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ETH ! WAN !----------------------! Client 1 ! PORT ! Router ! ----- !ROUTER !-------------------CLIENT1 LAN ( private ips ) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Port2 LAN ! !
!-------------!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! Client 2 !------------------CLIENT2 LAN ( private ips ) ! Router !
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Subnet addressing :
On WAN Router Public ethernet port 41.0.0.1 etc Public ethernet ports ( LAN side ) subnet 41.1.0.1 to 41.1.0.4 etc
On Client 1 Router Public ethernet port port ( pick 1 ip address from Wan router lan ip block 41.1.0.1 )
On Client 2 Router Public ethernet port port ( pick 1 ip address from Wan router lan ip block 41.1.0.2 )
Simply remember WAN router can allow stub networks and allow static/dynamic routing.
Enjoy. :-)
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If I was designing a network as in my diagram for a building/estate, I'd improve on it by simply adding a ip dslam and then allocating broadband options via the dslam ports. The diagram is a " corporate " domestic solution. In an estate or building where there are single users, dslam via authentication best way to go. Hii wireless ni nini? LOL! :-) On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
than the kawaida clients end up with today's internet speeds!
anyway, im more inclined to the open source cloud of wireless networks around the city for the sole purpose of technology exchange. (and swapping BIG files).
What if im client 1 and dont want to pay for a public IP.I simply want connection to the internet.If you assign private IP's on the WAN to Client 1 router.Should work? How does WAN router connect to the Client routers ?? On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 12:38 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Create you own broadband network. Did you know you can connect the WAN port of a broadband router to the another? Its too simple........... domestic solution...........
( INTERNET on WIRELESS Eth port ) ! ! ! Port1LAN ETH Port !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ETH ! WAN !----------------------! Client 1 ! PORT ! Router ! ----- !ROUTER !-------------------CLIENT1 LAN ( private ips )
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Port2 LAN ! !
!-------------!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! Client 2 !------------------CLIENT2 LAN ( private ips ) ! Router ! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Subnet addressing :
On WAN Router Public ethernet port 41.0.0.1 etc Public ethernet ports ( LAN side ) subnet 41.1.0.1 to 41.1.0.4 etc
On Client 1 Router Public ethernet port port ( pick 1 ip address from Wan router lan ip block 41.1.0.1 )
On Client 2 Router Public ethernet port port ( pick 1 ip address from Wan router lan ip block 41.1.0.2 )
Simply remember WAN router can allow stub networks and allow static/dynamic routing.
Enjoy. :-)
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jamal, you have to look at it from " service provider " angle. If you are client 1 and I allocate private ip, and since private ips' are not routable publicly, how will I support your connection? If you want private ips, then a separate router added to eg port 2 ( further subnetting ) will do the natting but reverse routes will be a problem unless router at port 2 passes the table to wan router. secondly, WAN router connects to other routers on its Ethernet ports. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 1:40 PM, ibtisam jamal <ibty.jamal@gmail.com> wrote:
What if im client 1 and dont want to pay for a public IP.I simply want connection to the internet.If you assign private IP's on the WAN to Client 1 router.Should work? How does WAN router connect to the Client routers ??
Aki, look at it this way.You have been asked to provide such a solution.How would you go about it.50 such clients. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 1:52 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
jamal,
you have to look at it from " service provider " angle. If you are client 1 and I allocate private ip, and since private ips' are not routable publicly, how will I support your connection? If you want private ips, then a separate router added to eg port 2 ( further subnetting ) will do the natting but reverse routes will be a problem unless router at port 2 passes the table to wan router.
secondly, WAN router connects to other routers on its Ethernet ports.
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 1:40 PM, ibtisam jamal <ibty.jamal@gmail.com>wrote:
What if im client 1 and dont want to pay for a public IP.I simply want connection to the internet.If you assign private IP's on the WAN to Client 1 router.Should work? How does WAN router connect to the Client routers ??
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more info needed, 1) Same physical location? 2) What do you want to provide? Internet on shared " broadband local loop" or on individual ccts? 3) Are you allocating bandwidth via local loop or have a central controller? 4) clients with end users or just end users? Rgds. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 2:43 PM, ibtisam jamal <ibty.jamal@gmail.com> wrote:
Aki, look at it this way.You have been asked to provide such a solution.How would you go about it.50 such clients.
This conversation is very interesting to a networking rookie like me! Yes Aki, given a use-case for a place like Kile where apartments are so many, would the solution work?and please give a sample diagram for: internet on shared, allocating bandwidth via a local loop, and just end users. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 2:55 PM, aki<aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
more info needed,
1) Same physical location?
2) What do you want to provide? Internet on shared " broadband local loop" or on individual ccts?
3) Are you allocating bandwidth via local loop or have a central controller?
4) clients with end users or just end users?
Rgds.
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 2:43 PM, ibtisam jamal <ibty.jamal@gmail.com> wrote:
Aki, look at it this way.You have been asked to provide such a solution.How would you go about it.50 such clients.
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LOL! woah! sii hiyo ni kazi ni mengi? post the questions and I'll answer them to the best of my knowledge. I dont mind sharing any info. Cheers :-) On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Muniu Kariuki <dennis.muniu@gmail.com>wrote:
This conversation is very interesting to a networking rookie like me! Yes Aki, given a use-case for a place like Kile where apartments are so many, would the solution work?and please give a sample diagram for: internet on shared, allocating bandwidth via a local loop, and just end users.
OK cool.Thanks On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 3:17 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
LOL! woah! sii hiyo ni kazi ni mengi? post the questions and I'll answer them to the best of my knowledge. I dont mind sharing any info. Cheers :-)
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Muniu Kariuki <dennis.muniu@gmail.com>wrote:
This conversation is very interesting to a networking rookie like me! Yes Aki, given a use-case for a place like Kile where apartments are so many, would the solution work?and please give a sample diagram for: internet on shared, allocating bandwidth via a local loop, and just end users.
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1) Same physical location?separate physical connection between PE and CE routers
2) What do you want to provide? Internet on shared " broadband local loop" or on individual ccts?internet on individual circuits and shared Bband
3) Are you allocating bandwidth via local loop or have a central controller?restrict bandwidth on local loop your PE router interface.
4) clients with end users or just end users?some just end users others with their own lans.Make sure not IP conflict.
Rgds.
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 2:43 PM, ibtisam jamal <ibty.jamal@gmail.com>wrote:
Aki, look at it this way.You have been asked to provide such a solution.How would you go about it.50 such clients.
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@jamal ( and @ Karuiki ), before we proceed, we first have to calculate the total expected *load* at peak and offpeak times. The resource, in this case is the internet. We also need to calculate total number of expected users ( irrespective of number of clients, as clients have number of users who now become number of internet port users). So, how many users in total are you expecting and given that they are a mix of corporate and domestic. If corporate, you know monday mornings email traffic would be extremely heavy etc. So in a nutshell, firstly calculate total number of users. Next, each user will use certain ports eg http, pop, smtp. Lets do the traffic calculation first and follow thru with a step by step.
Yes Aki, But i personally dont know how to calculate traffic.I know behaiviours though which peek at these times. Corporate users (offices) - 8.00 to 6.00 pm home users 7-11.00 pm Number of clients 100 On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 3:41 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
@jamal ( and @ Karuiki ), before we proceed, we first have to calculate the total expected *load* at peak and offpeak times. The resource, in this case is the internet. We also need to calculate total number of expected users ( irrespective of number of clients, as clients have number of users who now become number of internet port users). So, how many users in total are you expecting and given that they are a mix of corporate and domestic. If corporate, you know monday mornings email traffic would be extremely heavy etc.
So in a nutshell, firstly calculate total number of users. Next, each user will use certain ports eg http, pop, smtp. Lets do the traffic calculation first and follow thru with a step by step.
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@jamal, what we trying to build first is on the backhaul capacity connection that you would need to sustain the resource, in this case the internet. And this backhaul makes a difference between failure or success of the network. ( I think by now it will be clear why the roads recently had to be dug up to sink fiber...hehehehe ). A simpler way to calculate the least network traffic : - Therefore, for a 100 user network( can be 10 clients with 10 users etc, notice I use cct kpbs and not DATA transfer KB/s ): a) http ( open one page ) - least minimum per user = 20kpbs * 100 ( at peak ) = 2000kbps b) ftp = ( you can fill this one ) c) pop = ( you can fill this one ) d) smtp = ( you can fill this one ) f) Torrents file sharing = ( you can fill this one, if you want to allow it ) h) vpn = ( you can fill this one ) Try and get more info on the traffic usage stats and fill in the above
Hi Aki, building the backbone and backhauling is not that much of an issue as long as we have that pipe with redundancy.The lastmile connectivity is the killer,there is no flexibility lucky those who already have WIMAX and those who have plans for metros but the metro will only bring the backbone POP closer.How do we connect the client to POP..... Everything is back to layer 2 vpns and Ethernet technology. How flexible can we be the only lastmile is radio links(microtiks n the likes) ....can we stretch our heads kidogo here ? or thats the only option.
I once thought about it. The biggest stumbling block is NCC. Yep, the city rogues will demand a license for you to string cables around. So in my mind, the best work around is doing wifi and a mesh protocol such as aodv. Of course for this, you need some testlab. Maybe try it around UONBI, mesh the student halls, monitor the traffic patterns... On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:21 AM, ibtisam jamal <ibty.jamal@gmail.com>wrote:
Hi Aki,
building the backbone and backhauling is not that much of an issue as long as we have that pipe with redundancy.The lastmile connectivity is the killer,there is no flexibility lucky those who already have WIMAX and those who have plans for metros but the metro will only bring the backbone POP closer.How do we connect the client to POP.....
Everything is back to layer 2 vpns and Ethernet technology.
How flexible can we be the only lastmile is radio links(microtiks n the likes) ....can we stretch our heads kidogo here ? or thats the only option.
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Hi Jamal, if you want to build a network where a few days/months after it going live you are still tweaking and learning from complaints/mistakes from end users then I'm not the right person who can offer that advice. The internet is an elaborate combination of various protocols that services run on. It is not as simple as a file or print services that has 2 services. And if you get the backhauls correct, you will be achieve the end result that you seek. As an example, Look at your backhaul costs below : 100 user ( not 100 clients ) network = minimum backhaul capacity of 4Mbit/s ( On seacom = 2400USD/Month, On Sat=12,000USD/Month) If you are only interested in end user connectivity, I've given you the main concept in my earlier diagram and also pointed you in the right direction about the backhaul calculations. Do your R & D, all collection of data takes time. When you deploy, the cost of managing a well designed network is almost nil while a poor design means you will spend endless hours trying to fix things meaning keep that first aid kit near you with plenty of bandages and pain killers to patch as necessary. If this still does not help, I'll answer the other questions you had listed and not refer to backhaul at all. Rgds.
I would advice you to enter some kind of dealership with leadin ISP's. That way you will ride on their infrastructure and u get commisions. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: aki <aki275@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 08:46:37 To: Skunkworks forum<skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] make your own broadband building solution or estate network _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
They do not have *the infrastructure* - that's what we intend to build.. our own, we lease it to them and they *pay us* the commissions:-) On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 3:19 PM, <nurkey.hussein@gmail.com> wrote:
I would advice you to enter some kind of dealership with leadin ISP's.
That way you will ride on their infrastructure and u get commisions.
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There was a similar thread on estate networks 2 years back :) Guys, we've talked enough - how do we build ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "ibtisam jamal" <ibty.jamal@gmail.com> To: "Skunkworks forum" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 3:52:22 PM GMT +03:00 Iraq Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] make your own broadband building solution or estate network Yes Aki, But i personally dont know how to calculate traffic.I know behaiviours though which peek at these times. Corporate users (offices) - 8.00 to 6.00 pm home users 7-11.00 pm Number of clients 100 On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 3:41 PM, aki < aki275@googlemail.com > wrote: @jamal ( and @ Karuiki ), before we proceed, we first have to calculate the total expected load at peak and offpeak times. The resource, in this case is the internet. We also need to calculate total number of expected users ( irrespective of number of clients, as clients have number of users who now become number of internet port users). So, how many users in total are you expecting and given that they are a mix of corporate and domestic. If corporate, you know monday mornings email traffic would be extremely heavy etc. So in a nutshell, firstly calculate total number of users. Next, each user will use certain ports eg http, pop, smtp. Lets do the traffic calculation first and follow thru with a step by step. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Riyaz Bachani<riyaz.bachani@ke.wananchi.com> wrote:
There was a similar thread on estate networks 2 years back :) Guys, we've talked enough - how do we build ?
Riyaz, Yep! time to get down on it. Want to join 'skunkworks' building explorers? Should erratically physically meet when we must ... cheers, Alex
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