SOMEONE STOP SAFARICOM BEFORE WE ALL GO OUT OF BUSINESS
Guys, This monopoly that Safaricom has built around it is not healthy for small businesses. Safaricom claims to be helping me deliver quality services while still looking for ways to do what I do at cheaper rates. Now, Safaricom is offering domain registrations and REALLY cheap web hosting services. In a few years, Safaricom will be the only IT business running if we do not take care of this NOW, i think this is really unfair. David. -- ------------- http://blog.majibu.com
Safaricom has millions of shareholders, they need value for their money. Safaricom may not have resources to personally talk to your client and get what they want,; so its upto you to exploit this opportunity to deliver more value that will convince your client why they shouldnt use Safaricom. the second option is what you are doing. Similar to cement and sugar companies, cry for the Government to save you from those offering cheaper solutions.
I think I like what safcom is doing. We do domain registration and hosting too and am not complaining. What use is it? The market is talking. Are we listening? Innovate or die Now to all the guys who register domains and hosting-includinging me-INNOVATE or DIE Interesting times! Martin S. Njuguna Digital Vision EA Limited http://bit.ly/c6ItdF c:+254 721 440 543 t:+254 20 21 33 865 e:martin@digitalvision.co.ke <e%3Amartin@digitalvision.co.ke> w: http://www.digitalvision.co.ke Skype: digitalv.ke On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Safaricom has millions of shareholders, they need value for their money. Safaricom may not have resources to personally talk to your client and get what they want,; so its upto you to exploit this opportunity to deliver more value that will convince your client why they shouldnt use Safaricom.
the second option is what you are doing. Similar to cement and sugar companies, cry for the Government to save you from those offering cheaper solutions.
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Safaricom is BIG, big is Impersaal. Safaricom has many clients, Which means a higher cost of support. Think small, Think niche, think Markets that safaricom cant afford to offer. Who says big is always good. And who tells you there are no people out there willing to buy that domain for fifty dollars? On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Safaricom has millions of shareholders, they need value for their money. Safaricom may not have resources to personally talk to your client and get what they want,; so its upto you to exploit this opportunity to deliver more value that will convince your client why they shouldnt use Safaricom.
the second option is what you are doing. Similar to cement and sugar companies, cry for the Government to save you from those offering cheaper solutions.
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Well, havent people always asked for cheaper domain hosting, so now all the small players have to think value addition, not commodity selling Actually I wouldnt mind if safaricom went into property if it will bring prices down On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 3:02 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
Safaricom is BIG, big is Impersaal. Safaricom has many clients, Which means a higher cost of support. Think small, Think niche, think Markets that safaricom cant afford to offer.
Who says big is always good. And who tells you there are no people out there willing to buy that domain for fifty dollars?
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Safaricom has millions of shareholders, they need value for their money. Safaricom may not have resources to personally talk to your client and get what they want,; so its upto you to exploit this opportunity to deliver more value that will convince your client why they shouldnt use Safaricom.
the second option is what you are doing. Similar to cement and sugar companies, cry for the Government to save you from those offering cheaper solutions.
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Safaricom shud venture into real estate...These prices are damn expensive with no value addition...A safaricom unit wud come with a 10MBPS internet connection,server rack...sweet dreams...
And on a brighter side to those complaining, SELL OUT AND BUY SAFCOM SHARES! On 6/18/10, Musya mike <mmycool@gmail.com> wrote:
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I don't see what the hullabaloo is all bout they are a homegrown company that is makin money and trying out new things. Do what they are doin and avoid makin a cheap buck and you will be in billions too. They have taken huge risks, they paid off. They invested in seacom and teams and eassy I think and they need to make money on their investment. Whining bout it will do nothing. Now they have an operamini/data bundle . . . Am so signing up for it and this jobs bizness is not getting any love from me . . .I also work for my money On 6/18/10, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
And on a brighter side to those complaining, SELL OUT AND BUY SAFCOM SHARES!
On 6/18/10, Musya mike <mmycool@gmail.com> wrote:
Safaricom shud venture into real estate...These prices are damn expensive with no value addition...A safaricom unit wud come with a 10MBPS internet connection,server rack...sweet dreams...
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before we complain we should look at both sides of the coin; the other IT companies see safcom as a threat hence the outburst while the local mwananchi (clients) need prices to go down. I think safaricom is not doing anything bad actually we should all go their way. there is an old saying that goes, 'if you can't beat them, join them' regards On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't see what the hullabaloo is all bout they are a homegrown company that is makin money and trying out new things. Do what they are doin and avoid makin a cheap buck and you will be in billions too. They have taken huge risks, they paid off. They invested in seacom and teams and eassy I think and they need to make money on their investment. Whining bout it will do nothing. Now they have an operamini/data bundle . . . Am so signing up for it and this jobs bizness is not getting any love from me . . .I also work for my money
On 6/18/10, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
And on a brighter side to those complaining, SELL OUT AND BUY SAFCOM SHARES!
On 6/18/10, Musya mike <mmycool@gmail.com> wrote:
Safaricom shud venture into real estate...These prices are damn expensive with no value addition...A safaricom unit wud come with a 10MBPS internet connection,server rack...sweet dreams...
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I think this is a valid point. For once lets stop thinking like techies and go the business way. I firmly beleive Safcom needs to be regulated for the sake of business. To begin with the case of monopoly is not the best for any country an example is *Lehman Brothers* which had a strong holding just like Safcom its fall resulted to the current economic crunch. If such a fate was to happen to Safcom when the entire infrastructure is build around it guess that would be a case similar to a war where a country's infra and communication is wiped out and we start to rebuild again. If I go on, it will constitute to an article in the newspapers. Just to point out i also oppose M-Kesho reason being it is a venture between Equity and Safcom, now I don't oppose Equity owning the product but I oppose Safcom taking its stake there. That is preferencial treatment, what will other banks do? Will they have to beg for a similar product? Will Safcom hype it as such? In brief when allowed to carry on with the bias and move its muscles on any platform, it beats reason. Now, those contribute to my 3 Cents. Cheers. On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Japheth Kioko <japhking@gmail.com> wrote:
before we complain we should look at both sides of the coin; the other IT companies see safcom as a threat hence the outburst while the local mwananchi (clients) need prices to go down. I think safaricom is not doing anything bad actually we should all go their way.
there is an old saying that goes, 'if you can't beat them, join them'
regards
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't see what the hullabaloo is all bout they are a homegrown company that is makin money and trying out new things. Do what they are doin and avoid makin a cheap buck and you will be in billions too. They have taken huge risks, they paid off. They invested in seacom and teams and eassy I think and they need to make money on their investment. Whining bout it will do nothing. Now they have an operamini/data bundle . . . Am so signing up for it and this jobs bizness is not getting any love from me . . .I also work for my money
On 6/18/10, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
And on a brighter side to those complaining, SELL OUT AND BUY SAFCOM SHARES!
On 6/18/10, Musya mike <mmycool@gmail.com> wrote:
Safaricom shud venture into real estate...These prices are damn expensive with no value addition...A safaricom unit wud come with a 10MBPS internet connection,server rack...sweet dreams...
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if safcom can offer cheap rates than other companies in the same business does that mean other companies offering similar services are exploiting us or is safcom just running at a loss to get numbers then overcharge their clients when they are a monopoly???!!! It beats logic! On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 10:05 AM, George Njoroge <themburu@gmail.com> wrote:
I think this is a valid point. For once lets stop thinking like techies and go the business way. I firmly beleive Safcom needs to be regulated for the sake of business.
To begin with the case of monopoly is not the best for any country an example is *Lehman Brothers* which had a strong holding just like Safcom its fall resulted to the current economic crunch. If such a fate was to happen to Safcom when the entire infrastructure is build around it guess that would be a case similar to a war where a country's infra and communication is wiped out and we start to rebuild again.
If I go on, it will constitute to an article in the newspapers. Just to point out i also oppose M-Kesho reason being it is a venture between Equity and Safcom, now I don't oppose Equity owning the product but I oppose Safcom taking its stake there. That is preferencial treatment, what will other banks do? Will they have to beg for a similar product? Will Safcom hype it as such?
In brief when allowed to carry on with the bias and move its muscles on any platform, it beats reason.
Now, those contribute to my 3 Cents. Cheers.
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Japheth Kioko <japhking@gmail.com>wrote:
before we complain we should look at both sides of the coin; the other IT companies see safcom as a threat hence the outburst while the local mwananchi (clients) need prices to go down. I think safaricom is not doing anything bad actually we should all go their way.
there is an old saying that goes, 'if you can't beat them, join them'
regards
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't see what the hullabaloo is all bout they are a homegrown company that is makin money and trying out new things. Do what they are doin and avoid makin a cheap buck and you will be in billions too. They have taken huge risks, they paid off. They invested in seacom and teams and eassy I think and they need to make money on their investment. Whining bout it will do nothing. Now they have an operamini/data bundle . . . Am so signing up for it and this jobs bizness is not getting any love from me . . .I also work for my money
On 6/18/10, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
And on a brighter side to those complaining, SELL OUT AND BUY SAFCOM SHARES!
On 6/18/10, Musya mike <mmycool@gmail.com> wrote:
Safaricom shud venture into real estate...These prices are damn expensive with no value addition...A safaricom unit wud come with a 10MBPS internet connection,server rack...sweet dreams...
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mhh Safaricom is diving into an industry with many complexities i.e. solutions industry, unless you are saying that safaricom can customise all these solutions to a thousand and more demanding clients , you need real capacity which i doubt safaricom can handle thats why they say with competition the industry grows On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Japheth Kioko <japhking@gmail.com> wrote:
if safcom can offer cheap rates than other companies in the same business does that mean other companies offering similar services are exploiting us or is safcom just running at a loss to get numbers then overcharge their clients when they are a monopoly???!!!
It beats logic!
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 10:05 AM, George Njoroge <themburu@gmail.com>wrote:
I think this is a valid point. For once lets stop thinking like techies and go the business way. I firmly beleive Safcom needs to be regulated for the sake of business.
To begin with the case of monopoly is not the best for any country an example is *Lehman Brothers* which had a strong holding just like Safcom its fall resulted to the current economic crunch. If such a fate was to happen to Safcom when the entire infrastructure is build around it guess that would be a case similar to a war where a country's infra and communication is wiped out and we start to rebuild again.
If I go on, it will constitute to an article in the newspapers. Just to point out i also oppose M-Kesho reason being it is a venture between Equity and Safcom, now I don't oppose Equity owning the product but I oppose Safcom taking its stake there. That is preferencial treatment, what will other banks do? Will they have to beg for a similar product? Will Safcom hype it as such?
In brief when allowed to carry on with the bias and move its muscles on any platform, it beats reason.
Now, those contribute to my 3 Cents. Cheers.
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Japheth Kioko <japhking@gmail.com>wrote:
before we complain we should look at both sides of the coin; the other IT companies see safcom as a threat hence the outburst while the local mwananchi (clients) need prices to go down. I think safaricom is not doing anything bad actually we should all go their way.
there is an old saying that goes, 'if you can't beat them, join them'
regards
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't see what the hullabaloo is all bout they are a homegrown company that is makin money and trying out new things. Do what they are doin and avoid makin a cheap buck and you will be in billions too. They have taken huge risks, they paid off. They invested in seacom and teams and eassy I think and they need to make money on their investment. Whining bout it will do nothing. Now they have an operamini/data bundle . . . Am so signing up for it and this jobs bizness is not getting any love from me . . .I also work for my money
On 6/18/10, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
And on a brighter side to those complaining, SELL OUT AND BUY SAFCOM SHARES!
On 6/18/10, Musya mike <mmycool@gmail.com> wrote:
Safaricom shud venture into real estate...These prices are damn expensive with no value addition...A safaricom unit wud come with a 10MBPS internet connection,server rack...sweet dreams...
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According to your analogy below, i think we should look at the implications closely so as to determine the future of safaricom. safaricom gets clients through aggressive sales & marketing. i wonder whether the sales guys are paid on commission basis? and assuming they are, they will definitely get alot of clients to use safaricom products at competitive rates. the actual question is whether the clients are going to be satisfied in the long run(which i highly doubt) considering the process one has to follow just to get through to customer care. so according to me, this is just a phase where a client will make 'the wrong decision' then learn from it. case in point, swiftglobal, kdn. or what do u think? 2cents.
if safcom can offer cheap rates than other companies in the same business does that mean other companies offering similar services are exploiting us or is safcom just running at a loss to get numbers then overcharge their clients when they are a monopoly???!!!
It beats logic!
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 10:05 AM, George Njoroge <themburu@gmail.com>wrote:
I think this is a valid point. For once lets stop thinking like techies and go the business way. I firmly beleive Safcom needs to be regulated for the sake of business.
To begin with the case of monopoly is not the best for any country an example is *Lehman Brothers* which had a strong holding just like Safcom its fall resulted to the current economic crunch. If such a fate was to happen to Safcom when the entire infrastructure is build around it guess that would be a case similar to a war where a country's infra and communication is wiped out and we start to rebuild again.
If I go on, it will constitute to an article in the newspapers. Just to point out i also oppose M-Kesho reason being it is a venture between Equity and Safcom, now I don't oppose Equity owning the product but I oppose Safcom taking its stake there. That is preferencial treatment, what will other banks do? Will they have to beg for a similar product? Will Safcom hype it as such?
In brief when allowed to carry on with the bias and move its muscles on any platform, it beats reason.
Now, those contribute to my 3 Cents. Cheers.
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Japheth Kioko <japhking@gmail.com>wrote:
before we complain we should look at both sides of the coin; the other IT companies see safcom as a threat hence the outburst while the local mwananchi (clients) need prices to go down. I think safaricom is not doing anything bad actually we should all go their way.
there is an old saying that goes, 'if you can't beat them, join them'
regards
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't see what the hullabaloo is all bout they are a homegrown company that is makin money and trying out new things. Do what they are doin and avoid makin a cheap buck and you will be in billions too. They have taken huge risks, they paid off. They invested in seacom and teams and eassy I think and they need to make money on their investment. Whining bout it will do nothing. Now they have an operamini/data bundle . . . Am so signing up for it and this jobs bizness is not getting any love from me . . .I also work for my money
On 6/18/10, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
And on a brighter side to those complaining, SELL OUT AND BUY SAFCOM SHARES!
On 6/18/10, Musya mike <mmycool@gmail.com> wrote: > Safaricom shud venture into real estate...These prices are damn expensive > with no value addition...A safaricom unit wud come with a 10MBPS internet > connection,server rack...sweet dreams... >
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am hoping,just hoping that they will no start selling sand na hawking clothes just because they can be able to borrow money from the unsuspecting masses who are too desperate to earn nothin or very little from their monies.. On 6/19/10, sospeter@elimu.co.ke <sospeter@elimu.co.ke> wrote:
According to your analogy below, i think we should look at the implications closely so as to determine the future of safaricom.
safaricom gets clients through aggressive sales & marketing. i wonder whether the sales guys are paid on commission basis? and assuming they are, they will definitely get alot of clients to use safaricom products at competitive rates.
the actual question is whether the clients are going to be satisfied in the long run(which i highly doubt) considering the process one has to follow just to get through to customer care.
so according to me, this is just a phase where a client will make 'the wrong decision' then learn from it. case in point, swiftglobal, kdn. or what do u think?
2cents.
if safcom can offer cheap rates than other companies in the same business does that mean other companies offering similar services are exploiting us or is safcom just running at a loss to get numbers then overcharge their clients when they are a monopoly???!!!
It beats logic!
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 10:05 AM, George Njoroge <themburu@gmail.com>wrote:
I think this is a valid point. For once lets stop thinking like techies and go the business way. I firmly beleive Safcom needs to be regulated for the sake of business.
To begin with the case of monopoly is not the best for any country an example is *Lehman Brothers* which had a strong holding just like Safcom its fall resulted to the current economic crunch. If such a fate was to happen to Safcom when the entire infrastructure is build around it guess that would be a case similar to a war where a country's infra and communication is wiped out and we start to rebuild again.
If I go on, it will constitute to an article in the newspapers. Just to point out i also oppose M-Kesho reason being it is a venture between Equity and Safcom, now I don't oppose Equity owning the product but I oppose Safcom taking its stake there. That is preferencial treatment, what will other banks do? Will they have to beg for a similar product? Will Safcom hype it as such?
In brief when allowed to carry on with the bias and move its muscles on any platform, it beats reason.
Now, those contribute to my 3 Cents. Cheers.
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Japheth Kioko <japhking@gmail.com>wrote:
before we complain we should look at both sides of the coin; the other IT companies see safcom as a threat hence the outburst while the local mwananchi (clients) need prices to go down. I think safaricom is not doing anything bad actually we should all go their way.
there is an old saying that goes, 'if you can't beat them, join them'
regards
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't see what the hullabaloo is all bout they are a homegrown company that is makin money and trying out new things. Do what they are doin and avoid makin a cheap buck and you will be in billions too. They have taken huge risks, they paid off. They invested in seacom and teams and eassy I think and they need to make money on their investment. Whining bout it will do nothing. Now they have an operamini/data bundle . . . Am so signing up for it and this jobs bizness is not getting any love from me . . .I also work for my money
On 6/18/10, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote: > And on a brighter side to those complaining, SELL OUT AND BUY SAFCOM SHARES! > > On 6/18/10, Musya mike <mmycool@gmail.com> wrote: >> Safaricom shud venture into real estate...These prices are damn expensive >> with no value addition...A safaricom unit wud come with a 10MBPS internet >> connection,server rack...sweet dreams... >> > > > -- > Posted on 100% recycled electrons > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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Here is my ten cents. The growth of every organization depends on the quality of leadership, financial base and planning. Unfortunately safcom has plenty of this and they are acquiring the best talent in town. So unless some one comes with better strategy I think safcom will continue enjoying there ride. Safcom uses technology to do their biz and this group according to me has some great talents. Its everybody's wish to run a great successful company so the safcom guys will do everything to make money on every side. Its up to the outsiders to act. Lastly I give the administrators my respect for attaining such success and still keeping their heads. Its so unafrican.
Personally i am unsure whether to laugh or cry that we are at a stage where we are appealing to God, Government & humanity to punish a company for its success. It is like complaining that something should be done to contain 3M, General Electric, IKEA etc for their success. This is in no way, shape or form compatible with the spirit of entrepreneurship, free market and innovation. Personally i think Safaricom can venture into selling slippers and beef is they are so inclined. It would he a sad day indeed were this country to reach the conclusion that for us to succeed we must constrain others. As someone put very aptly, innovate or perish
I concur with Rad! Here . . . They may bully other players abit but so would I if I worked hard to build a customer base that others are angling for whether my services are good or not. Tis the CCK's job to decide what's fair or not not up to a CEO and investors. This whining about them becoming big and doing what you wanted to do is rediculous. Learn from what they are doin and adapt it to your product / service and you will also be headed for billions. . I am a safaricom shareholder and user and I can't wait for more profit announcements , technology and great products. On 6/21/10, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Personally i am unsure whether to laugh or cry that we are at a stage where we are appealing to God, Government & humanity to punish a company for its success. It is like complaining that something should be done to contain 3M, General Electric, IKEA etc for their success. This is in no way, shape or form compatible with the spirit of entrepreneurship, free market and innovation.
Personally i think Safaricom can venture into selling slippers and beef is they are so inclined.
It would he a sad day indeed were this country to reach the conclusion that for us to succeed we must constrain others.
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I think you miss the point. CCK, a government entity, does not operate in a vacuum and consequently it may not necessarily be relied upon to always act in the interest of the common man. Case in point Safaricom was a bit unhappy about the new rules CCK put out, they made some noise and the rules were suspended pending revision. I would guess that is the power you have when you are the largest taxpayer. If you, as a smaller, taxpayer had similar concerns, it is highly unlikely that you would get a similar response on your pet issue. As proof of your ineffectiveness as a small taxpayer you can list from your own personal experience the effect of your complaints when you received less than satisfactory service from the government. I think the only reason we may be discussing Safaricom's practices and not any other operator is because it has a dominant market position and consequently its moves must be watched or even regulated more closely to ensure it does not abuse this. It is common practice for companies with dominant market positions to drive competitors out of business and then hike the prices which does not do well for the common good. Yes, your fat dividend check will be used to buy airtime at ever increasing prices. If I remember correctly, one of the core purposes of the CCK is to promote good and affordable service for all Kenya. I keep mentioning common good because Safaricom is a licensed user of a common resource. We as the people of Kenya, through CCK, decided that we want good and affordable service. I do not believe the aim is to regulate profit but to regulate abuse of a dominant market position so that we have a well functioning market where the best ideas win and not the ideas of the richest promoter. In my view, the only way to promote good service is by having rules that promote competition vis-a-vis entrench market positions. So I think Safaricom has done a superb job in getting where it is nevertheless lets see how good they are if I can just move my number to whomever has the best service and also if I can call anyone regardless of network with no penalty. I think all operators will strive to provide the best service because that would be the only differentiator between them. Right now that is not the case. James K. Muturi. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark Mwangi" <mwangy@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 12:40 PM To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] SOMEONE STOP SAFARICOM BEFORE WE ALL GO OUT OFBUSINESS
I concur with Rad! Here . . . They may bully other players abit but so would I if I worked hard to build a customer base that others are angling for whether my services are good or not. Tis the CCK's job to decide what's fair or not not up to a CEO and investors. This whining about them becoming big and doing what you wanted to do is rediculous. Learn from what they are doin and adapt it to your product / service and you will also be headed for billions. . I am a safaricom shareholder and user and I can't wait for more profit announcements , technology and great products.
On 6/21/10, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Personally i am unsure whether to laugh or cry that we are at a stage where we are appealing to God, Government & humanity to punish a company for its success. It is like complaining that something should be done to contain 3M, General Electric, IKEA etc for their success. This is in no way, shape or form compatible with the spirit of entrepreneurship, free market and innovation.
Personally i think Safaricom can venture into selling slippers and beef is they are so inclined.
It would he a sad day indeed were this country to reach the conclusion that for us to succeed we must constrain others.
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To conclude, Innovate or Perish, is a simple rule of engagement.. I am working smart and making the margins I deserve, what is any ones problem?. My shareholders are happy, I am happy and the business will blossom. If we are complaining about Safcom, why are we silent about equity and other big players who have done extraordinary jobs to be where they are today. We should take pride in such and learn from them, the future is bright for those keeping an open mind. regards Oliver On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 2:42 PM, James K. Muturi <mutujam@hotmail.com>wrote:
I think you miss the point. CCK, a government entity, does not operate in a vacuum and consequently it may not necessarily be relied upon to always act in the interest of the common man. Case in point Safaricom was a bit unhappy about the new rules CCK put out, they made some noise and the rules were suspended pending revision. I would guess that is the power you have when you are the largest taxpayer. If you, as a smaller, taxpayer had similar concerns, it is highly unlikely that you would get a similar response on your pet issue. As proof of your ineffectiveness as a small taxpayer you can list from your own personal experience the effect of your complaints when you received less than satisfactory service from the government.
I think the only reason we may be discussing Safaricom's practices and not any other operator is because it has a dominant market position and consequently its moves must be watched or even regulated more closely to ensure it does not abuse this. It is common practice for companies with dominant market positions to drive competitors out of business and then hike the prices which does not do well for the common good. Yes, your fat dividend check will be used to buy airtime at ever increasing prices.
If I remember correctly, one of the core purposes of the CCK is to promote good and affordable service for all Kenya. I keep mentioning common good because Safaricom is a licensed user of a common resource. We as the people of Kenya, through CCK, decided that we want good and affordable service. I do not believe the aim is to regulate profit but to regulate abuse of a dominant market position so that we have a well functioning market where the best ideas win and not the ideas of the richest promoter.
In my view, the only way to promote good service is by having rules that promote competition vis-a-vis entrench market positions. So I think Safaricom has done a superb job in getting where it is nevertheless lets see how good they are if I can just move my number to whomever has the best service and also if I can call anyone regardless of network with no penalty. I think all operators will strive to provide the best service because that would be the only differentiator between them. Right now that is not the case.
James K. Muturi.
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark Mwangi" <mwangy@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 12:40 PM To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] SOMEONE STOP SAFARICOM BEFORE WE ALL GO OUT OFBUSINESS
I concur with Rad! Here . . . They may bully other players abit but so
would I if I worked hard to build a customer base that others are angling for whether my services are good or not. Tis the CCK's job to decide what's fair or not not up to a CEO and investors. This whining about them becoming big and doing what you wanted to do is rediculous. Learn from what they are doin and adapt it to your product / service and you will also be headed for billions. . I am a safaricom shareholder and user and I can't wait for more profit announcements , technology and great products.
On 6/21/10, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Personally i am unsure whether to laugh or cry that we are at a stage where we are appealing to God, Government & humanity to punish a company for its success. It is like complaining that something should be done to contain 3M, General Electric, IKEA etc for their success. This is in no way, shape or form compatible with the spirit of entrepreneurship, free market and innovation.
Personally i think Safaricom can venture into selling slippers and beef is they are so inclined.
It would he a sad day indeed were this country to reach the conclusion that for us to succeed we must constrain others.
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To conclude, Innovate or Perish, is a simple rule of engagement.. I am working smart and making the margins I deserve, what is any ones problem?. My shareholders are happy, I am happy and the business will blossom. If we are complaining about Safcom, why are we silent about equity and other big players who have done extraordinary jobs to be where they are today. We should take pride in such and learn from them, the future is bright for those keeping an open mind. regards Oliver On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 2:42 PM, James K. Muturi <mutujam@hotmail.com>wrote:
I think you miss the point. CCK, a government entity, does not operate in a vacuum and consequently it may not necessarily be relied upon to always act in the interest of the common man. Case in point Safaricom was a bit unhappy about the new rules CCK put out, they made some noise and the rules were suspended pending revision. I would guess that is the power you have when you are the largest taxpayer. If you, as a smaller, taxpayer had similar concerns, it is highly unlikely that you would get a similar response on your pet issue. As proof of your ineffectiveness as a small taxpayer you can list from your own personal experience the effect of your complaints when you received less than satisfactory service from the government.
I think the only reason we may be discussing Safaricom's practices and not any other operator is because it has a dominant market position and consequently its moves must be watched or even regulated more closely to ensure it does not abuse this. It is common practice for companies with dominant market positions to drive competitors out of business and then hike the prices which does not do well for the common good. Yes, your fat dividend check will be used to buy airtime at ever increasing prices.
If I remember correctly, one of the core purposes of the CCK is to promote good and affordable service for all Kenya. I keep mentioning common good because Safaricom is a licensed user of a common resource. We as the people of Kenya, through CCK, decided that we want good and affordable service. I do not believe the aim is to regulate profit but to regulate abuse of a dominant market position so that we have a well functioning market where the best ideas win and not the ideas of the richest promoter.
In my view, the only way to promote good service is by having rules that promote competition vis-a-vis entrench market positions. So I think Safaricom has done a superb job in getting where it is nevertheless lets see how good they are if I can just move my number to whomever has the best service and also if I can call anyone regardless of network with no penalty. I think all operators will strive to provide the best service because that would be the only differentiator between them. Right now that is not the case.
James K. Muturi.
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark Mwangi" <mwangy@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 12:40 PM To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] SOMEONE STOP SAFARICOM BEFORE WE ALL GO OUT OFBUSINESS
I concur with Rad! Here . . . They may bully other players abit but so
would I if I worked hard to build a customer base that others are angling for whether my services are good or not. Tis the CCK's job to decide what's fair or not not up to a CEO and investors. This whining about them becoming big and doing what you wanted to do is rediculous. Learn from what they are doin and adapt it to your product / service and you will also be headed for billions. . I am a safaricom shareholder and user and I can't wait for more profit announcements , technology and great products.
On 6/21/10, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Personally i am unsure whether to laugh or cry that we are at a stage where we are appealing to God, Government & humanity to punish a company for its success. It is like complaining that something should be done to contain 3M, General Electric, IKEA etc for their success. This is in no way, shape or form compatible with the spirit of entrepreneurship, free market and innovation.
Personally i think Safaricom can venture into selling slippers and beef is they are so inclined.
It would he a sad day indeed were this country to reach the conclusion that for us to succeed we must constrain others.
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What's your core business? Whats your niche? Build a tribe around that. On 6/21/10, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I concur with Rad! Here . . . They may bully other players abit but so would I if I worked hard to build a customer base that others are angling for whether my services are good or not. Tis the CCK's job to decide what's fair or not not up to a CEO and investors. This whining about them becoming big and doing what you wanted to do is rediculous. Learn from what they are doin and adapt it to your product / service and you will also be headed for billions. . I am a safaricom shareholder and user and I can't wait for more profit announcements , technology and great products.
On 6/21/10, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Personally i am unsure whether to laugh or cry that we are at a stage where we are appealing to God, Government & humanity to punish a company for its success. It is like complaining that something should be done to contain 3M, General Electric, IKEA etc for their success. This is in no way, shape or form compatible with the spirit of entrepreneurship, free market and innovation.
Personally i think Safaricom can venture into selling slippers and beef is they are so inclined.
It would he a sad day indeed were this country to reach the conclusion that for us to succeed we must constrain others.
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I think as long as they are in communication , its normal business to expand into related profit areas. if they do open a bar and/or a church then i would be worried. On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 11:37 AM, kimondo Duncan <kimondodk@gmail.com>wrote:
Here is my ten cents.
The growth of every organization depends on the quality of leadership, financial base and planning. Unfortunately safcom has plenty of this and they are acquiring the best talent in town.
So unless some one comes with better strategy I think safcom will continue enjoying there ride. Safcom uses technology to do their biz and this group according to me has some great talents.
Its everybody's wish to run a great successful company so the safcom guys will do everything to make money on every side. Its up to the outsiders to act.
Lastly I give the administrators my respect for attaining such success and still keeping their heads. Its so unafrican.
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On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 2:46 PM, David Mugo <raidarmax@gmail.com> wrote:
Guys,
This monopoly that Safaricom has built around it is not healthy for small businesses. Safaricom claims to be helping me deliver quality services while still looking for ways to do what I do at cheaper rates. Now, Safaricom is offering domain registrations and REALLY cheap web hosting services.
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@Mark it is the shareholder in you that is talking please can you also talk as a user and non shareholder. @Rad and @Mark Companies are made of strategies of mutual measure as far as the client is good the company is Banking millions,good. now what happens when the client is Oppressed, is that oppression strategy? I call it Un Mutual strategy, the clients are being at loose of clever lies, YES CCK is the WATCH DOG, TRUE but does it warrant a CORE COMPANY as the 'DISPUTED' to take advantage of its subjects(clients) in the name 'THE WATCH DOG IS A SLEEP' all in all they will make millions but there come a time when the clients wakes and the subjects has his day home, "the day of the Jackal" On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 2:46 PM, David Mugo <raidarmax@gmail.com> wrote:
Guys,
This monopoly that Safaricom has built around it is not healthy for small businesses. Safaricom claims to be helping me deliver quality services while still looking for ways to do what I do at cheaper rates. Now, Safaricom is offering domain registrations and REALLY cheap web hosting services.
<snip>
I guess this sums it up:
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@Michael, What oppression is this of which you speak? My response was confined to the sentiments raised originally: I am in complete disagreement with the originator of this post who claims Safaricom should somehow be contained for having the temerity to sell domains, something that he currently does, at cheaper rates. This defies the basic tenets of economics 101 - cost/benefit analysis, willing buyer & willing seller. On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 2:52 PM, MICHAEL AKUNGA <michaelakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
@Mark it is the shareholder in you that is talking please can you also talk as a user and non shareholder. @Rad and @Mark Companies are made of strategies of mutual measure as far as the client is good the company is Banking millions,good. now what happens when the client is Oppressed, is that oppression strategy? I call it Un Mutual strategy, the clients are being at loose of clever lies, YES CCK is the WATCH DOG, TRUE but does it warrant a CORE COMPANY as the 'DISPUTED' to take advantage of its subjects(clients) in the name 'THE WATCH DOG IS A SLEEP' all in all they will make millions but there come a time when the clients wakes and the subjects has his day home, "the day of the Jackal"
Safaricom enlisted as an "Internet distributor" when they contributed to the Fiber arrival through the name Safaricom or its aliases... Now they have all this bandwidth,, what to do... what to do ??? I dont blame them,, if there is a business to be exploited -- why not ?? My shares made 10 cents last year,, Mabbe I should buy more to have a nice round figure this time?
However as the US learnt, when you have few dominant companies making all the money.......the economy stalls at some point because it means that only few people are benefiting from the growth, hence the anti trust law that seeks to spread out the wealth. However if you already have 3 competitors and they are not denting your subscriber numbers significantly....what to do? On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 3:29 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
Safaricom enlisted as an "Internet distributor" when they contributed to the Fiber arrival through the name Safaricom or its aliases...
Now they have all this bandwidth,, what to do... what to do ???
I dont blame them,, if there is a business to be exploited -- why not ??
My shares made 10 cents last year,, Mabbe I should buy more to have a nice round figure this time?
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Just catching up on this thread and am surpised how the words " innovate or perish " are so generally used. Actually those calling for innovation as a survival tactic need to know innovation are not words in thin air. You need a large capital to take on any innovation that would seek to compete with Safcom. So you want to compete with Safcom at Data Centre Level = Do you have upto 30 million Ksh ( And not a refurb server, nor a room where there is no humidity control or a power adapter taped etc )? Do you have an additional 5 million Ksh to put into awareness? Do you have the capability to sustain such operations for 3 years ? The govt at some point is going to need to protect local jobs and businesses, esle poverty reduction and self reliance is not going to be successful. Competition is healthy at various levels but there aslo has to protection of local industries because the gains are much lower at putting businesses/self employed out of contention. And a real shame on Safcom for going down the ladder rather than upwards towards a global player. Just shows that they lack the capacity for real thinkers and visionaries. Their interests lie in copying others and so no matter how much you innovate, you will be copied sooner or later. Realistically safcom bring no additional value to the economy on its new trends. Me thots, will catch up later. ( A miserable and rainy day in cape town )
@Michael I do not understand this oppression you speak of. I am a user and have flirted with the other telcos but I have found few of their services are useful or reliable enough for me to switch allegiance.so who is being oppressed? @aki true safaricom are actually not very innovative but are very skilled @ localising products and being nimble on their feet and not being bogged down by bureaucracy. M-pesa is from vodafone uk , supaongea tariff is from MTN SA, e.t.c. we should be pressuring the CCK and not a successful business. It has enough qualified officials and resources. On 6/21/10, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Just catching up on this thread and am surpised how the words " innovate or perish " are so generally used. Actually those calling for innovation as a survival tactic need to know innovation are not words in thin air. You need a large capital to take on any innovation that would seek to compete with Safcom. So you want to compete with Safcom at Data Centre Level = Do you have upto 30 million Ksh ( And not a refurb server, nor a room where there is no humidity control or a power adapter taped etc )? Do you have an additional 5 million Ksh to put into awareness? Do you have the capability to sustain such operations for 3 years ?
The govt at some point is going to need to protect local jobs and businesses, esle poverty reduction and self reliance is not going to be successful. Competition is healthy at various levels but there aslo has to protection of local industries because the gains are much lower at putting businesses/self employed out of contention.
And a real shame on Safcom for going down the ladder rather than upwards towards a global player. Just shows that they lack the capacity for real thinkers and visionaries. Their interests lie in copying others and so no matter how much you innovate, you will be copied sooner or later. Realistically safcom bring no additional value to the economy on its new trends.
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COME ON YE PEOPLE OF SKUNKWORKS !!!! WHY DOST THOU FORGETTETH THE POWER THOU WILDETH AS *IT* GUYS ?? Look, since (and assuming) most of the IT guys in Nairobi and elsewhere is in Mail List - then YOU have the power to advise your clients/offices/bosses where to host... Besides,, your influence reaches beyond this thread (i.e To your peers,, Your students etc) - so I really do not see any threats... (Unless Safcom start knocking door to door with offers to corporate customers to sign 5 year contracts -- then you have no say there [?] )
@Mark, just to give you an indication on how dumb the business developers in Safcom are, consider this ( sry, not offending anyone but I think this is the reality ). Safcom has the potential to become a huge African operator and create a boom for its shareholders. Safcom has the capability to : 1) Buy Satellite transponders with various sat companies. They can create an African wide beam, develop a vsat service and build the dishes in kenya. Can be KU band. All the ODU,IDU equipment can be branded and sold off the shelf. This scenario alone will generate them millions of USD per month on bandwidth leasing. 2) On the same satellite services on un-used transponders, they can become next GTV. Millions of USD revenue can be made on content. 2) Integrate the sat service with fiber capacity and compete at national level and across borders. 3) Compete with KDN and TKL on national and regional fiber networks. KPLC fiber infrastructure is already in pace. Why buy capacity when you can own and price the networks? 4) DTV, broadband via fiber and sat. 5) Intergrate a broadcasters license and integrate 3g, 4g etc, DVB and other services into one stream. Create mobile vehicles that can carry microwave data and connect various services. 6) Start an inter-active DTV channel that will allow users to interact using 5) above 7) Start the rollout of high speed copper networks. Forget wireless, it has serious limitations. 8) Start buying out other GSM operators in other countries. If Zain could do it from the ME, what is stopping an Kenyan company doing the same? Again, it would increase its revenues. The list is huge. Somehow they are keen on ideas that are born out of petty minds looking at getting a share of the lower end market. These minds cannot see how regional and international Safcom's presence can be. The Queen Bee has some serious thinking to do. Me thots. :-) On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 8:19 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
@Michael I do not understand this oppression you speak of. I am a user and have flirted with the other telcos but I have found few of their services are useful or reliable enough for me to switch allegiance.so who is being oppressed? @aki true safaricom are actually not very innovative but are very skilled @ localising products and being nimble on their feet and not being bogged down by bureaucracy. M-pesa is from vodafone uk , supaongea tariff is from MTN SA, e.t.c.
we should be pressuring the CCK and not a successful business. It has enough qualified officials and resources.
@Aki I see a small problem in your list of Safcom potentials below. You see, Safaricom IS Vodafone. Vodafone is not keen on pushing the safcom brand! If it was up to the, they'd rename it Vodafone! Two, Vodafone is already operating in other countries eg EA. If safcom was to go to let's say Ug and buy out Warid wouldn't they be directly competing against themselves? On 22 June 2010 00:36, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
@Mark, just to give you an indication on how dumb the business developers in Safcom are, consider this ( sry, not offending anyone but I think this is the reality ). Safcom has the potential to become a huge African operator and create a boom for its shareholders.
Safcom has the capability to :
1) Buy Satellite transponders with various sat companies. They can create an African wide beam, develop a vsat service and build the dishes in kenya. Can be KU band. All the ODU,IDU equipment can be branded and sold off the shelf. This scenario alone will generate them millions of USD per month on bandwidth leasing.
2) On the same satellite services on un-used transponders, they can become next GTV. Millions of USD revenue can be made on content.
2) Integrate the sat service with fiber capacity and compete at national level and across borders.
3) Compete with KDN and TKL on national and regional fiber networks. KPLC fiber infrastructure is already in pace. Why buy capacity when you can own and price the networks?
4) DTV, broadband via fiber and sat.
5) Intergrate a broadcasters license and integrate 3g, 4g etc, DVB and other services into one stream. Create mobile vehicles that can carry microwave data and connect various services.
6) Start an inter-active DTV channel that will allow users to interact using 5) above
7) Start the rollout of high speed copper networks. Forget wireless, it has serious limitations.
8) Start buying out other GSM operators in other countries. If Zain could do it from the ME, what is stopping an Kenyan company doing the same? Again, it would increase its revenues.
The list is huge. Somehow they are keen on ideas that are born out of petty minds looking at getting a share of the lower end market. These minds cannot see how regional and international Safcom's presence can be.
The Queen Bee has some serious thinking to do.
Me thots. :-)
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 8:19 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
@Michael I do not understand this oppression you speak of. I am a user and have flirted with the other telcos but I have found few of their services are useful or reliable enough for me to switch allegiance.so who is being oppressed? @aki true safaricom are actually not very innovative but are very skilled @ localising products and being nimble on their feet and not being bogged down by bureaucracy. M-pesa is from vodafone uk , supaongea tariff is from MTN SA, e.t.c.
we should be pressuring the CCK and not a successful business. It has enough qualified officials and resources.
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Much as Aki has said, the relationship between Safcom and Voda(com? or phone) was not established on the 'till death do us part'! Therefore Safcom can strategically position itself as an independent entity from the Voda company. I thought a business usually has three main goals: short-term, mid-term and long-term. At the completion of the first two, the third one becomes inevitable, and it shows how the company wants to position itself in, say, 30 years. Does it mean if Voda moves at snail's pace Safcom remains stagnant because her partner does not rhink or see far? The logic here is that Safom should go wide (read continental), instead of edging the common person from eking a living! My ten cents! On 22/06/2010, Silas Savali <silas@afrikanism.com> wrote:
@Aki
I see a small problem in your list of Safcom potentials below. You see, Safaricom IS Vodafone. Vodafone is not keen on pushing the safcom brand! If it was up to the, they'd rename it Vodafone!
Two, Vodafone is already operating in other countries eg EA. If safcom was to go to let's say Ug and buy out Warid wouldn't they be directly competing against themselves?
On 22 June 2010 00:36, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
@Mark, just to give you an indication on how dumb the business developers in Safcom are, consider this ( sry, not offending anyone but I think this is the reality ). Safcom has the potential to become a huge African operator and create a boom for its shareholders.
Safcom has the capability to :
1) Buy Satellite transponders with various sat companies. They can create an African wide beam, develop a vsat service and build the dishes in kenya. Can be KU band. All the ODU,IDU equipment can be branded and sold off the shelf. This scenario alone will generate them millions of USD per month on bandwidth leasing.
2) On the same satellite services on un-used transponders, they can become next GTV. Millions of USD revenue can be made on content.
2) Integrate the sat service with fiber capacity and compete at national level and across borders.
3) Compete with KDN and TKL on national and regional fiber networks. KPLC fiber infrastructure is already in pace. Why buy capacity when you can own and price the networks?
4) DTV, broadband via fiber and sat.
5) Intergrate a broadcasters license and integrate 3g, 4g etc, DVB and other services into one stream. Create mobile vehicles that can carry microwave data and connect various services.
6) Start an inter-active DTV channel that will allow users to interact using 5) above
7) Start the rollout of high speed copper networks. Forget wireless, it has serious limitations.
8) Start buying out other GSM operators in other countries. If Zain could do it from the ME, what is stopping an Kenyan company doing the same? Again, it would increase its revenues.
The list is huge. Somehow they are keen on ideas that are born out of petty minds looking at getting a share of the lower end market. These minds cannot see how regional and international Safcom's presence can be.
The Queen Bee has some serious thinking to do.
Me thots. :-)
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 8:19 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
@Michael I do not understand this oppression you speak of. I am a user and have flirted with the other telcos but I have found few of their services are useful or reliable enough for me to switch allegiance.so who is being oppressed? @aki true safaricom are actually not very innovative but are very skilled @ localising products and being nimble on their feet and not being bogged down by bureaucracy. M-pesa is from vodafone uk , supaongea tariff is from MTN SA, e.t.c.
we should be pressuring the CCK and not a successful business. It has enough qualified officials and resources.
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@Solomon And how will they do that when the decision makers (Top Management) is Vodafone? On 22 June 2010 09:50, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
Much as Aki has said, the relationship between Safcom and Voda(com? or phone) was not established on the 'till death do us part'! Therefore Safcom can strategically position itself as an independent entity from the Voda company. I thought a business usually has three main goals: short-term, mid-term and long-term. At the completion of the first two, the third one becomes inevitable, and it shows how the company wants to position itself in, say, 30 years. Does it mean if Voda moves at snail's pace Safcom remains stagnant because her partner does not rhink or see far? The logic here is that Safom should go wide (read continental), instead of edging the common person from eking a living!
My ten cents!
On 22/06/2010, Silas Savali <silas@afrikanism.com> wrote:
@Aki
I see a small problem in your list of Safcom potentials below. You see, Safaricom IS Vodafone. Vodafone is not keen on pushing the safcom brand! If it was up to the, they'd rename it Vodafone!
Two, Vodafone is already operating in other countries eg EA. If safcom was to go to let's say Ug and buy out Warid wouldn't they be directly competing against themselves?
On 22 June 2010 00:36, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
@Mark, just to give you an indication on how dumb the business developers in Safcom are, consider this ( sry, not offending anyone but I think this is the reality ). Safcom has the potential to become a huge African operator and create a boom for its shareholders.
Safcom has the capability to :
1) Buy Satellite transponders with various sat companies. They can create an African wide beam, develop a vsat service and build the dishes in kenya. Can be KU band. All the ODU,IDU equipment can be branded and sold off the shelf. This scenario alone will generate them millions of USD per month on bandwidth leasing.
2) On the same satellite services on un-used transponders, they can become next GTV. Millions of USD revenue can be made on content.
2) Integrate the sat service with fiber capacity and compete at national level and across borders.
3) Compete with KDN and TKL on national and regional fiber networks. KPLC fiber infrastructure is already in pace. Why buy capacity when you can own and price the networks?
4) DTV, broadband via fiber and sat.
5) Intergrate a broadcasters license and integrate 3g, 4g etc, DVB and other services into one stream. Create mobile vehicles that can carry microwave data and connect various services.
6) Start an inter-active DTV channel that will allow users to interact using 5) above
7) Start the rollout of high speed copper networks. Forget wireless, it has serious limitations.
8) Start buying out other GSM operators in other countries. If Zain could do it from the ME, what is stopping an Kenyan company doing the same? Again, it would increase its revenues.
The list is huge. Somehow they are keen on ideas that are born out of petty minds looking at getting a share of the lower end market. These minds cannot see how regional and international Safcom's presence can be.
The Queen Bee has some serious thinking to do.
Me thots. :-)
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 8:19 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
@Michael I do not understand this oppression you speak of. I am a user and have flirted with the other telcos but I have found few of their services are useful or reliable enough for me to switch allegiance.so who is being oppressed? @aki true safaricom are actually not very innovative but are very skilled @ localising products and being nimble on their feet and not being bogged down by bureaucracy. M-pesa is from vodafone uk , supaongea tariff is from MTN SA, e.t.c.
we should be pressuring the CCK and not a successful business. It has enough qualified officials and resources.
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On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 12:36 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
@Mark, just to give you an indication on how dumb the business developers in Safcom are, consider this ( sry, not offending anyone but I think this is the reality ). Safcom has the potential to become a huge African operator and create a boom for its shareholders.
@aki, reading your list of things Safcom should be doing but is not, I get the impression that you are kinda blaming the "dump" business developers there. Using the same concept, I can then blame you for not putting tyre pressure censors and infra red cameras<http://www.flir.com/cvs/eurasia/en/content/?id=4950>in your ride. They must have a reason why they are not doing that, it would be prudent to know this reason before assigning blame.
@Peter, I fully accept that we all should be leaders in technology, concepts and developments whether in small or big ways. The reason I call Safcom business developers dumb is because of the current trends. Why would any telco want become an IT company? Telco do telco things and grow revenues on bigger kills such as I listed. For sure something is not right in our Queen Bee. It can also be that Safcom is diversifying into IT to gain big govt contracts and supplies. Only time will tell what really is the reason for Safcom's trends. Anyway, we cannot change what is about to happen in the market over the next 2 years so we need to brace and ensure that everyone ( self employed, soho, sme ) looks after their clients well so as to build loyalty. Services is the key to this and I hope many will not be affected by the trends. Gd luck. :-) On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote: .
@aki, reading your list of things Safcom should be doing but is not, I get the impression that you are kinda blaming the "dump" business developers there. Using the same concept, I can then blame you for not putting tyre pressure censors and infra red cameras in your ride.
They must have a reason why they are not doing that, it would be prudent to know this reason before assigning blame.
Lately, my employer moved ISPs to Safaricom. I glanced at an invoice sometime (quite a sizable bill) and I kept asking, what's Safaricom's vision? Take over everything from everyone? As in, there's nothing wrong with sticking to your day job! I was discussing with someone looking for hosting, and the moment they discovered Safaricom's offerings quickly dumped an almost done deal. (the poor small guy had really courted these people). This is the reality of Safcom's trends. As Aki mentioned earlier, I too find 'innovate or die' rhetoric so out of touch with reality in this case. May be we can learn a thing or two from Europe whom have what I find to be very healthy unti-trust laws. Microsoft has had to pay heavy fines, ordered to strip Media Player from Windows and on and on for unfair practices. The point is, let everyone have equal chance. On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 7:10 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
@Peter, I fully accept that we all should be leaders in technology, concepts and developments whether in small or big ways. The reason I call Safcom business developers dumb is because of the current trends. Why would any telco want become an IT company? Telco do telco things and grow revenues on bigger kills such as I listed. For sure something is not right in our Queen Bee. It can also be that Safcom is diversifying into IT to gain big govt contracts and supplies. Only time will tell what really is the reason for Safcom's trends.
Anyway, we cannot change what is about to happen in the market over the next 2 years so we need to brace and ensure that everyone ( self employed, soho, sme ) looks after their clients well so as to build loyalty. Services is the key to this and I hope many will not be affected by the trends.
Gd luck. :-)
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote: .
@aki, reading your list of things Safcom should be doing but is not, I get the impression that you are kinda blaming the "dump" business developers there. Using the same concept, I can then blame you for not putting tyre pressure censors and infra red cameras in your ride.
They must have a reason why they are not doing that, it would be prudent to know this reason before assigning blame.
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Their is something that clicked in my head from all this posts... Is Safaricom listed as a company that can venture into any business they think of??? Even if they can do anything they want there should be measures in place to curb unfair competition. regards On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Samuel Waithaka <samwaithaka@gmail.com>wrote:
Lately, my employer moved ISPs to Safaricom. I glanced at an invoice sometime (quite a sizable bill) and I kept asking, what's Safaricom's vision? Take over everything from everyone? As in, there's nothing wrong with sticking to your day job!
I was discussing with someone looking for hosting, and the moment they discovered Safaricom's offerings quickly dumped an almost done deal. (the poor small guy had really courted these people). This is the reality of Safcom's trends.
As Aki mentioned earlier, I too find 'innovate or die' rhetoric so out of touch with reality in this case. May be we can learn a thing or two from Europe whom have what I find to be very healthy unti-trust laws. Microsoft has had to pay heavy fines, ordered to strip Media Player from Windows and on and on for unfair practices. The point is, let everyone have equal chance.
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 7:10 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
@Peter, I fully accept that we all should be leaders in technology, concepts and developments whether in small or big ways. The reason I call Safcom business developers dumb is because of the current trends. Why would any telco want become an IT company? Telco do telco things and grow revenues on bigger kills such as I listed. For sure something is not right in our Queen Bee. It can also be that Safcom is diversifying into IT to gain big govt contracts and supplies. Only time will tell what really is the reason for Safcom's trends.
Anyway, we cannot change what is about to happen in the market over the next 2 years so we need to brace and ensure that everyone ( self employed, soho, sme ) looks after their clients well so as to build loyalty. Services is the key to this and I hope many will not be affected by the trends.
Gd luck. :-)
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote: .
@aki, reading your list of things Safcom should be doing but is not, I
get
the impression that you are kinda blaming the "dump" business developers there. Using the same concept, I can then blame you for not putting tyre pressure censors and infra red cameras in your ride.
They must have a reason why they are not doing that, it would be prudent to know this reason before assigning blame.
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http://af.reuters.com/article/kenyaNews/idAFLDE65N08V20100624 <http://af.reuters.com/article/kenyaNews/idAFLDE65N08V20100624>Safaricom to acquire two more smaller data providers. That makes four if anybody is counting. Regards On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Japheth Kioko <japhking@gmail.com> wrote:
Their is something that clicked in my head from all this posts...
Is Safaricom listed as a company that can venture into any business they think of??? Even if they can do anything they want there should be measures in place to curb unfair competition.
regards
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Samuel Waithaka <samwaithaka@gmail.com>wrote:
Lately, my employer moved ISPs to Safaricom. I glanced at an invoice sometime (quite a sizable bill) and I kept asking, what's Safaricom's vision? Take over everything from everyone? As in, there's nothing wrong with sticking to your day job!
I was discussing with someone looking for hosting, and the moment they discovered Safaricom's offerings quickly dumped an almost done deal. (the poor small guy had really courted these people). This is the reality of Safcom's trends.
As Aki mentioned earlier, I too find 'innovate or die' rhetoric so out of touch with reality in this case. May be we can learn a thing or two from Europe whom have what I find to be very healthy unti-trust laws. Microsoft has had to pay heavy fines, ordered to strip Media Player from Windows and on and on for unfair practices. The point is, let everyone have equal chance.
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 7:10 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
@Peter, I fully accept that we all should be leaders in technology, concepts and developments whether in small or big ways. The reason I call Safcom business developers dumb is because of the current trends. Why would any telco want become an IT company? Telco do telco things and grow revenues on bigger kills such as I listed. For sure something is not right in our Queen Bee. It can also be that Safcom is diversifying into IT to gain big govt contracts and supplies. Only time will tell what really is the reason for Safcom's trends.
Anyway, we cannot change what is about to happen in the market over the next 2 years so we need to brace and ensure that everyone ( self employed, soho, sme ) looks after their clients well so as to build loyalty. Services is the key to this and I hope many will not be affected by the trends.
Gd luck. :-)
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote: .
@aki, reading your list of things Safcom should be doing but is not, I
get
the impression that you are kinda blaming the "dump" business developers there. Using the same concept, I can then blame you for not putting tyre pressure censors and infra red cameras in your ride.
They must have a reason why they are not doing that, it would be prudent to know this reason before assigning blame.
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WOW !!!! IGO Wireless Ltd, Instaconnect I know both firms !!! On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Larry Madowo <larrymads@gmail.com> wrote:
http://af.reuters.com/article/kenyaNews/idAFLDE65N08V20100624 Safaricom to acquire two more smaller data providers. That makes four if anybody is counting. Regards
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Japheth Kioko <japhking@gmail.com> wrote:
Their is something that clicked in my head from all this posts...
Is Safaricom listed as a company that can venture into any business they think of??? Even if they can do anything they want there should be measures in place to curb unfair competition.
regards
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Samuel Waithaka <samwaithaka@gmail.com> wrote:
Lately, my employer moved ISPs to Safaricom. I glanced at an invoice sometime (quite a sizable bill) and I kept asking, what's Safaricom's vision? Take over everything from everyone? As in, there's nothing wrong with sticking to your day job!
I was discussing with someone looking for hosting, and the moment they discovered Safaricom's offerings quickly dumped an almost done deal. (the poor small guy had really courted these people). This is the reality of Safcom's trends.
As Aki mentioned earlier, I too find 'innovate or die' rhetoric so out of touch with reality in this case. May be we can learn a thing or two from Europe whom have what I find to be very healthy unti-trust laws. Microsoft has had to pay heavy fines, ordered to strip Media Player from Windows and on and on for unfair practices. The point is, let everyone have equal chance.
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 7:10 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
@Peter, I fully accept that we all should be leaders in technology, concepts and developments whether in small or big ways. The reason I call Safcom business developers dumb is because of the current trends. Why would any telco want become an IT company? Telco do telco things and grow revenues on bigger kills such as I listed. For sure something is not right in our Queen Bee. It can also be that Safcom is diversifying into IT to gain big govt contracts and supplies. Only time will tell what really is the reason for Safcom's trends.
Anyway, we cannot change what is about to happen in the market over the next 2 years so we need to brace and ensure that everyone ( self employed, soho, sme ) looks after their clients well so as to build loyalty. Services is the key to this and I hope many will not be affected by the trends.
Gd luck. :-)
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote: .
@aki, reading your list of things Safcom should be doing but is not, I get the impression that you are kinda blaming the "dump" business developers there. Using the same concept, I can then blame you for not putting tyre pressure censors and infra red cameras in your ride.
They must have a reason why they are not doing that, it would be prudent to know this reason before assigning blame.
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The business now for growth and expansion is data ......if guys you have noticed data poses great opportunities further compounded with newly acquired capacities owing to arrival of fibre...Safcom always keen to forecast market trends has picked on this hence the urge to diversify from its core business as a mobile telephony outfit to position itself for the next billion.... From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Larry Madowo Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 11:38 AM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] SOMEONE STOP SAFARICOM BEFORE WE ALL GO OUT OF BUSINESS http://af.reuters.com/article/kenyaNews/idAFLDE65N08V20100624 Safaricom to acquire two more smaller data providers. That makes four if anybody is counting. Regards On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Japheth Kioko <japhking@gmail.com<mailto:japhking@gmail.com>> wrote: Their is something that clicked in my head from all this posts... Is Safaricom listed as a company that can venture into any business they think of??? Even if they can do anything they want there should be measures in place to curb unfair competition. regards On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Samuel Waithaka <samwaithaka@gmail.com<mailto:samwaithaka@gmail.com>> wrote: Lately, my employer moved ISPs to Safaricom. I glanced at an invoice sometime (quite a sizable bill) and I kept asking, what's Safaricom's vision? Take over everything from everyone? As in, there's nothing wrong with sticking to your day job! I was discussing with someone looking for hosting, and the moment they discovered Safaricom's offerings quickly dumped an almost done deal. (the poor small guy had really courted these people). This is the reality of Safcom's trends. As Aki mentioned earlier, I too find 'innovate or die' rhetoric so out of touch with reality in this case. May be we can learn a thing or two from Europe whom have what I find to be very healthy unti-trust laws. Microsoft has had to pay heavy fines, ordered to strip Media Player from Windows and on and on for unfair practices. The point is, let everyone have equal chance. On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 7:10 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com<mailto:aki275@googlemail.com>> wrote:
@Peter, I fully accept that we all should be leaders in technology, concepts and developments whether in small or big ways. The reason I call Safcom business developers dumb is because of the current trends. Why would any telco want become an IT company? Telco do telco things and grow revenues on bigger kills such as I listed. For sure something is not right in our Queen Bee. It can also be that Safcom is diversifying into IT to gain big govt contracts and supplies. Only time will tell what really is the reason for Safcom's trends.
Anyway, we cannot change what is about to happen in the market over the next 2 years so we need to brace and ensure that everyone ( self employed, soho, sme ) looks after their clients well so as to build loyalty. Services is the key to this and I hope many will not be affected by the trends.
Gd luck. :-)
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com<mailto:pkarunyu@gmail.com>> wrote: .
@aki, reading your list of things Safcom should be doing but is not, I get the impression that you are kinda blaming the "dump" business developers there. Using the same concept, I can then blame you for not putting tyre pressure censors and infra red cameras in your ride.
They must have a reason why they are not doing that, it would be prudent to know this reason before assigning blame.
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Something has flickered on my mind after these developments.(I might be wrong though). After CCK published the 'controversial' regulations, which were seen as a threat to Safcom, the listed company thought it wise to move away (partially) from its core business, of selling mobile phone airtime in order to have presence on other sectors, read, web hosting. This IMHO, could be because the internet, or rather web hosting services are not regulated in Kenya or are not easier to regulate globally. The firm wants to make a kill by being the provider of all services in Kenya, thus edging the common person from business, as Samuel pointed out. Maybe, just maybe when CCK reigns again, that Safcom might opt to 'expand and 'diversify'' to another venture. I hope the same way parliament passed Price Control Bill, there will be such a law that will be developed to favour the common person. Anyone who can tell how much Safcom web services, such as .ke domain name registration go for? Is it as per kenic's rates or much lower? If latter, brace yourself, if that's your source of livelihood, for topugh times ahead! On 24/06/2010, Pius Walela <PWalela@strathmore.edu> wrote:
The business now for growth and expansion is data ......if guys you have noticed data poses great opportunities further compounded with newly acquired capacities owing to arrival of fibre...Safcom always keen to forecast market trends has picked on this hence the urge to diversify from its core business as a mobile telephony outfit to position itself for the next billion....
From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Larry Madowo Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 11:38 AM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] SOMEONE STOP SAFARICOM BEFORE WE ALL GO OUT OF BUSINESS
http://af.reuters.com/article/kenyaNews/idAFLDE65N08V20100624
Safaricom to acquire two more smaller data providers. That makes four if anybody is counting.
Regards On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Japheth Kioko <japhking@gmail.com<mailto:japhking@gmail.com>> wrote: Their is something that clicked in my head from all this posts...
Is Safaricom listed as a company that can venture into any business they think of??? Even if they can do anything they want there should be measures in place to curb unfair competition.
regards
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Samuel Waithaka <samwaithaka@gmail.com<mailto:samwaithaka@gmail.com>> wrote: Lately, my employer moved ISPs to Safaricom. I glanced at an invoice sometime (quite a sizable bill) and I kept asking, what's Safaricom's vision? Take over everything from everyone? As in, there's nothing wrong with sticking to your day job!
I was discussing with someone looking for hosting, and the moment they discovered Safaricom's offerings quickly dumped an almost done deal. (the poor small guy had really courted these people). This is the reality of Safcom's trends.
As Aki mentioned earlier, I too find 'innovate or die' rhetoric so out of touch with reality in this case. May be we can learn a thing or two from Europe whom have what I find to be very healthy unti-trust laws. Microsoft has had to pay heavy fines, ordered to strip Media Player from Windows and on and on for unfair practices. The point is, let everyone have equal chance.
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 7:10 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com<mailto:aki275@googlemail.com>> wrote:
@Peter, I fully accept that we all should be leaders in technology, concepts and developments whether in small or big ways. The reason I call Safcom business developers dumb is because of the current trends. Why would any telco want become an IT company? Telco do telco things and grow revenues on bigger kills such as I listed. For sure something is not right in our Queen Bee. It can also be that Safcom is diversifying into IT to gain big govt contracts and supplies. Only time will tell what really is the reason for Safcom's trends.
Anyway, we cannot change what is about to happen in the market over the next 2 years so we need to brace and ensure that everyone ( self employed, soho, sme ) looks after their clients well so as to build loyalty. Services is the key to this and I hope many will not be affected by the trends.
Gd luck. :-)
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com<mailto:pkarunyu@gmail.com>> wrote: .
@aki, reading your list of things Safcom should be doing but is not, I get the impression that you are kinda blaming the "dump" business developers there. Using the same concept, I can then blame you for not putting tyre pressure censors and infra red cameras in your ride.
They must have a reason why they are not doing that, it would be prudent to know this reason before assigning blame.
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Solomon, Am still stuck on the part where you seemed to support the Price Control Bill. How now? On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:
Something has flickered on my mind after these developments.(I might be wrong though).
After CCK published the 'controversial' regulations, which were seen as a threat to Safcom, the listed company thought it wise to move away (partially) from its core business, of selling mobile phone airtime in order to have presence on other sectors, read, web hosting. This IMHO, could be because the internet, or rather web hosting services are not regulated in Kenya or are not easier to regulate globally. The firm wants to make a kill by being the provider of all services in Kenya, thus edging the common person from business, as Samuel pointed out.
Maybe, just maybe when CCK reigns again, that Safcom might opt to 'expand and 'diversify'' to another venture. I hope the same way parliament passed Price Control Bill, there will be such a law that will be developed to favour the common person.
Anyone who can tell how much Safcom web services, such as .ke domain name registration go for? Is it as per kenic's rates or much lower? If latter, brace yourself, if that's your source of livelihood, for topugh times ahead!
On 24/06/2010, Pius Walela <PWalela@strathmore.edu> wrote:
The business now for growth and expansion is data ......if guys you have noticed data poses great opportunities further compounded with newly acquired capacities owing to arrival of fibre...Safcom always keen to forecast market trends has picked on this hence the urge to diversify from its core business as a mobile telephony outfit to position itself for the next billion....
From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Larry Madowo Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 11:38 AM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] SOMEONE STOP SAFARICOM BEFORE WE ALL GO OUT OF BUSINESS
http://af.reuters.com/article/kenyaNews/idAFLDE65N08V20100624
Safaricom to acquire two more smaller data providers. That makes four if anybody is counting.
Regards On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Japheth Kioko <japhking@gmail.com<mailto:japhking@gmail.com>> wrote: Their is something that clicked in my head from all this posts...
Is Safaricom listed as a company that can venture into any business they think of??? Even if they can do anything they want there should be measures in place to curb unfair competition.
regards
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Samuel Waithaka <samwaithaka@gmail.com<mailto:samwaithaka@gmail.com>> wrote: Lately, my employer moved ISPs to Safaricom. I glanced at an invoice sometime (quite a sizable bill) and I kept asking, what's Safaricom's vision? Take over everything from everyone? As in, there's nothing wrong with sticking to your day job!
I was discussing with someone looking for hosting, and the moment they discovered Safaricom's offerings quickly dumped an almost done deal. (the poor small guy had really courted these people). This is the reality of Safcom's trends.
As Aki mentioned earlier, I too find 'innovate or die' rhetoric so out of touch with reality in this case. May be we can learn a thing or two from Europe whom have what I find to be very healthy unti-trust laws. Microsoft has had to pay heavy fines, ordered to strip Media Player from Windows and on and on for unfair practices. The point is, let everyone have equal chance.
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 7:10 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com<mailto:aki275@googlemail.com>> wrote:
@Peter, I fully accept that we all should be leaders in technology, concepts and developments whether in small or big ways. The reason I call Safcom business developers dumb is because of the current trends. Why would any telco want become an IT company? Telco do telco things and grow revenues on bigger kills such as I listed. For sure something is not right in our Queen Bee. It can also be that Safcom is diversifying into IT to gain big govt contracts and supplies. Only time will tell what really is the reason for Safcom's trends.
Anyway, we cannot change what is about to happen in the market over the next 2 years so we need to brace and ensure that everyone ( self employed, soho, sme ) looks after their clients well so as to build loyalty. Services is the key to this and I hope many will not be affected by the trends.
Gd luck. :-)
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com<mailto:pkarunyu@gmail.com>> wrote: .
@aki, reading your list of things Safcom should be doing but is not, I get the impression that you are kinda blaming the "dump" business
developers
there. Using the same concept, I can then blame you for not putting tyre pressure censors and infra red cameras in your ride.
They must have a reason why they are not doing that, it would be prudent to know this reason before assigning blame.
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On 24/06/2010, Larry Madowo <larrymads@gmail.com> wrote:
Solomon,
Am still stuck on the part where you seemed to support the Price Control Bill. How now?
@ Larry, Not as the Price Control Bill per se, but law(s) that prevent a firm from dominating all sectors in an economy. The law can have pointers like a firm to own or venture into a maximum number of business ventures, otherwise one firm will kill competition thus stagnate the economy, if it operates everything. Something like that.
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:
Something has flickered on my mind after these developments.(I might be wrong though).
After CCK published the 'controversial' regulations, which were seen as a threat to Safcom, the listed company thought it wise to move away (partially) from its core business, of selling mobile phone airtime in order to have presence on other sectors, read, web hosting. This IMHO, could be because the internet, or rather web hosting services are not regulated in Kenya or are not easier to regulate globally. The firm wants to make a kill by being the provider of all services in Kenya, thus edging the common person from business, as Samuel pointed out.
Maybe, just maybe when CCK reigns again, that Safcom might opt to 'expand and 'diversify'' to another venture. I hope the same way parliament passed Price Control Bill, there will be such a law that will be developed to favour the common person.
Anyone who can tell how much Safcom web services, such as .ke domain name registration go for? Is it as per kenic's rates or much lower? If latter, brace yourself, if that's your source of livelihood, for topugh times ahead!
On 24/06/2010, Pius Walela <PWalela@strathmore.edu> wrote:
The business now for growth and expansion is data ......if guys you have noticed data poses great opportunities further compounded with newly acquired capacities owing to arrival of fibre...Safcom always keen to forecast market trends has picked on this hence the urge to diversify from its core business as a mobile telephony outfit to position itself for the next billion....
From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Larry Madowo Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 11:38 AM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] SOMEONE STOP SAFARICOM BEFORE WE ALL GO OUT OF BUSINESS
http://af.reuters.com/article/kenyaNews/idAFLDE65N08V20100624
Safaricom to acquire two more smaller data providers. That makes four if anybody is counting.
Regards On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Japheth Kioko <japhking@gmail.com<mailto:japhking@gmail.com>> wrote: Their is something that clicked in my head from all this posts...
Is Safaricom listed as a company that can venture into any business they think of??? Even if they can do anything they want there should be measures in place to curb unfair competition.
regards
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Samuel Waithaka <samwaithaka@gmail.com<mailto:samwaithaka@gmail.com>> wrote: Lately, my employer moved ISPs to Safaricom. I glanced at an invoice sometime (quite a sizable bill) and I kept asking, what's Safaricom's vision? Take over everything from everyone? As in, there's nothing wrong with sticking to your day job!
I was discussing with someone looking for hosting, and the moment they discovered Safaricom's offerings quickly dumped an almost done deal. (the poor small guy had really courted these people). This is the reality of Safcom's trends.
As Aki mentioned earlier, I too find 'innovate or die' rhetoric so out of touch with reality in this case. May be we can learn a thing or two from Europe whom have what I find to be very healthy unti-trust laws. Microsoft has had to pay heavy fines, ordered to strip Media Player from Windows and on and on for unfair practices. The point is, let everyone have equal chance.
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 7:10 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com<mailto:aki275@googlemail.com>> wrote:
@Peter, I fully accept that we all should be leaders in technology, concepts and developments whether in small or big ways. The reason I call Safcom business developers dumb is because of the current trends. Why would any telco want become an IT company? Telco do telco things and grow revenues on bigger kills such as I listed. For sure something is not right in our Queen Bee. It can also be that Safcom is diversifying into IT to gain big govt contracts and supplies. Only time will tell what really is the reason for Safcom's trends.
Anyway, we cannot change what is about to happen in the market over the next 2 years so we need to brace and ensure that everyone ( self employed, soho, sme ) looks after their clients well so as to build loyalty. Services is the key to this and I hope many will not be affected by the trends.
Gd luck. :-)
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com<mailto:pkarunyu@gmail.com>> wrote: .
@aki, reading your list of things Safcom should be doing but is not, I get the impression that you are kinda blaming the "dump" business
developers
there. Using the same concept, I can then blame you for not putting tyre pressure censors and infra red cameras in your ride.
They must have a reason why they are not doing that, it would be prudent to know this reason before assigning blame.
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On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
Not as the Price Control Bill per se, but law(s) that prevent a firm from dominating all sectors in an economy. The law can have pointers like a firm to own or venture into a maximum number of business ventures, otherwise one firm will kill competition thus stagnate the economy, if it operates everything. Something like that.
Given the state of government services in general ... how do you expect the government to control what areas a private firm be allowed to venture into ? Make the blind man the pilot ?
Not as the Price Control Bill per se, but law(s) that prevent a firm
from dominating all sectors in an economy. The law can have pointers like a firm to own or venture into a maximum number of business ventures, otherwise one firm will kill competition thus stagnate the economy, if it operates everything. Something like that.
Is it just me that finds these sentiments overly disturbing esp coming from the Brains of innovation in the country?
I have been wondering where this guys were when Safaricom started selling mobile phone SIM cards and modems. See, SIM cards caused the closing of several call Call Bureaus, whereas modems have been responsible for closing down of cybers.
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
I have been wondering where this guys were when Safaricom started selling mobile phone SIM cards and modems. See, SIM cards caused the closing of several call Call Bureaus, whereas modems have been responsible for closing down of cybers.
And now with MKesho, banks will start closing branches. Indeed we are living in interesting times.
@Pius ??? If you want to know the data business, ask any BPO and they will have the answers. There is no next billion out there unless the BPO sector is just about to be swallowed up by Safcom, which to me means that e-govt business is certainly tied to Safcom's ICT strategy. Lets see what the BPO sector will have to say about Safcom. And the 2 companies that Safcom is buying out is quite strange. I-Go wireless is purely wimax ( Safcom already has plenty in its One Com buyout ) and Instaconnect ( a content service provider? ) does what? Is this similar to the hulabaloo of Access Kenya buying out some dialup ISP and the news in the market was falsehoods about partnerships? Queen Bee is a buzz now.... :-) Me thots. On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Pius Walela <PWalela@strathmore.edu> wrote:
The business now for growth and expansion is data ……if guys you have noticed data poses great opportunities further compounded with newly acquired capacities owing to arrival of fibre…Safcom always keen to forecast market trends has picked on this hence the urge to diversify from its core business as a mobile telephony outfit to position itself for the next billion….
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