:-) It's the preferred method in nchi ya kitu ....... On 8 July 2013 10:53, MotoBaridi <motobaridi@gmail.com> wrote:

Much less *out* of court. [?]

On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Benjamin <anangwe@gmail.com> wrote:

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50,000k in court !

On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Kevin Omondi <kevin.ouma@gmail.com>wrote:

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Skunks

This is off topic but does anyone know the fine of driving while on mobile phone ? My driver has been arrested and need to go sort him out.

Thanks Kevin

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Amen Kev On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Kevin Omondi <kevin.ouma@gmail.com> wrote:

@motobaridi I know thats the case but if I did so I would be a hypocrite who professes to follow Christ and does the contrary when no one is watching.

Regards Kevin

On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 10:53 AM, MotoBaridi <motobaridi@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Much less *out* of court. [?]

On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Benjamin <anangwe@gmail.com> wrote:

...

50,000k in court !

On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Kevin Omondi <kevin.ouma@gmail.com>wrote:

...

Skunks

This is off topic but does anyone know the fine of driving while on mobile phone ? My driver has been arrested and need to go sort him out.

Thanks Kevin

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ili iwe funzo On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Tony Likhanga <tlikhanga@gmail.com> wrote:

Thumbs up Kevin.

Just do the right thing. In any case the driver will most probably never forget the ordeal. The fine can not be compared the risk that his act posed to the culprit and other road users.

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Does this include talking via hands-free? While I dont advocate for law breaking, some of these penalties are pretty harsh. Compare https://www.gov.uk/using-mobile-phones-when-driving-the-law On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia < chuksjonia@gmail.com> wrote:

Why do you have to talk on phone when driving, i cant even pick, even when its my mother.

On 7/8/13, Benjamin <anangwe@gmail.com> wrote:

...

ili iwe funzo

On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Tony Likhanga <tlikhanga@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Thumbs up Kevin.

Just do the right thing. In any case the driver will most probably never forget the ordeal. The fine can not be compared the risk that his act posed to the culprit and other road users.

Tony.

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@Job, So would prefer the fine be lower so that they can just pay up and keep doing it and endangering other road users lives? On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Job Muriuki <muriukin@gmail.com> wrote:

I think people who come up with this penalties are not in touch with the spending power of kenyans. Penalising drivers who earn less than 20000 sh 50000 sh is too much.

On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Bwana Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Does this include talking via hands-free?

While I dont advocate for law breaking, some of these penalties are pretty harsh.

Compare https://www.gov.uk/using-mobile-phones-when-driving-the-law

On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia < chuksjonia@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Why do you have to talk on phone when driving, i cant even pick, even when its my mother.

On 7/8/13, Benjamin <anangwe@gmail.com> wrote:

...

ili iwe funzo

On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Tony Likhanga <tlikhanga@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Thumbs up Kevin.

Just do the right thing. In any case the driver will most probably never forget the ordeal. The fine can not be compared the risk that his act posed to the culprit and other road users.

Tony.

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It sounds that way but measures like having the driving license withheld for 3 - 12 months is better than charging someone cash they cannot afford and having to lock them up. To be honest we all have times when you get that phone call you have been waiting for and it so happens it comes when driving and its time sensitive so you are forced to pick up. On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:

I think that is how "punitive" is described. You are punished in a way that discourages you totally from even imagining a repeat.

On 8 July 2013 13:30, Job Muriuki <muriukin@gmail.com> wrote:

...

I think people who come up with this penalties are not in touch with the spending power of kenyans. Penalising drivers who earn less than 20000 sh 50000 sh is too much.

On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Bwana Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Does this include talking via hands-free?

While I dont advocate for law breaking, some of these penalties are pretty harsh.

Compare https://www.gov.uk/using-mobile-phones-when-driving-the-law

On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia < chuksjonia@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Why do you have to talk on phone when driving, i cant even pick, even when its my mother.

On 7/8/13, Benjamin <anangwe@gmail.com> wrote:

...

ili iwe funzo

On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Tony Likhanga <tlikhanga@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Thumbs up Kevin.

Just do the right thing. In any case the driver will most probably never forget the ordeal. The fine can not be compared the risk that his act posed to the culprit and other road users.

Tony.

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@Job & @Lawi, I am pretty sure the day you will lose someone dear to a distracted driver picking a call, you will possibly change your mind. NOTHING can be justify endangering the lives of people when driving, even a call from Linus Torvalds. I remember reading somewhere<http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7152551.stm>that even using hands free kit is in itself as dangerous as drunk driving. On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote:

@Job, No, you can ALWAYS pull over to the side of the road and answer or call back if it is urgent.

On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Job Muriuki <muriukin@gmail.com> wrote:

...

It sounds that way but measures like having the driving license withheld for 3 - 12 months is better than charging someone cash they cannot afford and having to lock them up. To be honest we all have times when you get that phone call you have been waiting for and it so happens it comes when driving and its time sensitive so you are forced to pick up.

On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:

...

I think that is how "punitive" is described. You are punished in a way that discourages you totally from even imagining a repeat.

On 8 July 2013 13:30, Job Muriuki <muriukin@gmail.com> wrote:

...

I think people who come up with this penalties are not in touch with the spending power of kenyans. Penalising drivers who earn less than 20000 sh 50000 sh is too much.

On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Bwana Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com>wrote:

...

Does this include talking via hands-free?

While I dont advocate for law breaking, some of these penalties are pretty harsh.

Compare https://www.gov.uk/using-mobile-phones-when-driving-the-law

On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia < chuksjonia@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Why do you have to talk on phone when driving, i cant even pick, even when its my mother.

On 7/8/13, Benjamin <anangwe@gmail.com> wrote: > ili iwe funzo > > > On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Tony Likhanga <tlikhanga@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thumbs up Kevin. >> >> Just do the right thing. In any case the driver will most probably never >> forget the ordeal. >> The fine can not be compared the risk that his act posed to the culprit >> and other road users. >> >> Tony. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> >

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@Peter, nothing can justify losing someone. Even 1M fine. The issue with me is the spirit behind the amount. I dont think the amount was about safety. And whether we like it or not, this has opened up corruption more than ever. Because a typical Kenyan will reason out that paying 50k to the state is 'worse' than paying 10k or so to a cop. Will that deter the person from talking while driving? I dont know Interesting research here<http://www.forbes.com/sites/jimgorzelany/2013/04/03/forget-phones-or-fast-food-more-drivers-cause-their-own-distractions-in-crashes/>shows that becoming becoming “lost in thought” is actually far more dangerous than talking on the phone or texting while behind the wheel. Again, I reiterate, I would never play down the risks associated with phone use while driving. It's just that I feel the amounts are a bit arbitrary On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Martin Akolo Chiteri < martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:

@Bwana Lawi,

On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Bwana Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Does this include talking via hands-free?

Some people think that hands-free driving is not such a neat idea:

1) http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/04/23/217212/hands-free-or-voice-activated...

2) http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/06/12/1845226/another-study-confirms-hands...

Martin.

While I dont advocate for law breaking, some of these penalties are pretty

...

harsh.

Compare https://www.gov.uk/using-mobile-phones-when-driving-the-law

On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia < chuksjonia@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Why do you have to talk on phone when driving, i cant even pick, even when its my mother.

On 7/8/13, Benjamin <anangwe@gmail.com> wrote:

...

ili iwe funzo

On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Tony Likhanga <tlikhanga@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Thumbs up Kevin.

Just do the right thing. In any case the driver will most probably never forget the ordeal. The fine can not be compared the risk that his act posed to the culprit and other road users.

Tony.

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Since this is a grave mistake why don't we have offenders losing the license for a couple of months since they are not a danger to themselves and other road users. Fining more will not stop the vice just breed new ways of avoiding fines but tell someone they will not drive for 3 months that will get them thinking. On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Muoki Maingi <mmviqtah@gmail.com> wrote:

sneezing while driving is dangerous too.

On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Martin Akolo Chiteri < martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:

...

@Bwana Lawi,

On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Bwana Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Does this include talking via hands-free?

Some people think that hands-free driving is not such a neat idea:

1) http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/04/23/217212/hands-free-or-voice-activated...

2) http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/06/12/1845226/another-study-confirms-hands...

Martin.

While I dont advocate for law breaking, some of these penalties are

...

pretty harsh.

Compare https://www.gov.uk/using-mobile-phones-when-driving-the-law

On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia < chuksjonia@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Why do you have to talk on phone when driving, i cant even pick, even when its my mother.

On 7/8/13, Benjamin <anangwe@gmail.com> wrote:

...

ili iwe funzo

On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Tony Likhanga <tlikhanga@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Thumbs up Kevin.

Just do the right thing. In any case the driver will most probably never forget the ordeal. The fine can not be compared the risk that his act posed to the culprit and other road users.

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I second Kevin On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Kevin Omondi <kevin.ouma@gmail.com> wrote:

@motobaridi I know thats the case but if I did so I would be a hypocrite who professes to follow Christ and does the contrary when no one is watching.

Regards Kevin

On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 10:53 AM, MotoBaridi <motobaridi@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Much less *out* of court. [?]

On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Benjamin <anangwe@gmail.com> wrote:

...

50,000k in court !

On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Kevin Omondi <kevin.ouma@gmail.com>wrote:

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Skunks

This is off topic but does anyone know the fine of driving while on mobile phone ? My driver has been arrested and need to go sort him out.

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After a thrilling dose of SuperFreakonomics, Me thinks We should charge the fine to the person on the other end of the call.... :-)

that was a super dose alright! :D -- Ndungi Kyalo

How about start every licenced driver with say, 100points. Deduct some points depending on offence. When you hit zero, strip the licence for, say 1yr? Or maybe ban the person from ever getting a licence again? Of course, a bad driver could cause considerable damage before they run out of points, so maybe some offences could cost many points, eg drunk driving could cost 95points?. Harsh, but people would get in line quickly. // On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Martin Akolo Chiteri < martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:

In my opinion, a person should just be stripped-off of their driver's licenses for a particular duration of time (a month maybe), charged a fine and made to go back to driving school afresh in order to gain their "points" back as valid road vehicle drivers. That can act as a reasonable deterrent measure I think.

Martin.

On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Ndungi Kyalo <ndungi@gmail.com> wrote:

...

After a thrilling dose of SuperFreakonomics, Me thinks We should charge

...

the fine to the person on the other end of the call.... :-)

that was a super dose alright! :D

-- Ndungi Kyalo

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If traffic cops are willing an sms based reporting system can help the government in keeping track of traffic rules violators by having cops log in every offence with the drivers license number and the car involved. So if you jump lights the cop just notes your plate and they can followup with kra to know who owns the car and they get fined. On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:

The points system is applicable in countries like Italy, but they one one of the worst records for bad drivers - and there must be some ground work before implementation, which does not exist

./Ok3ch

On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 4:53 PM, MotoBaridi <motobaridi@gmail.com> wrote:

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How about start every licenced driver with say, 100points. Deduct some points depending on offence. When you hit zero, strip the licence for, say 1yr? Or maybe ban the person from ever getting a licence again?

Of course, a bad driver could cause considerable damage before they run out of points, so maybe some offences could cost many points, eg drunk driving could cost 95points?.

Harsh, but people would get in line quickly.

//

On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Martin Akolo Chiteri < martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:

...

In my opinion, a person should just be stripped-off of their driver's licenses for a particular duration of time (a month maybe), charged a fine and made to go back to driving school afresh in order to gain their "points" back as valid road vehicle drivers. That can act as a reasonable deterrent measure I think.

Martin.

On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Ndungi Kyalo <ndungi@gmail.com> wrote:

...

After a thrilling dose of SuperFreakonomics, Me thinks We should

...

charge the fine to the person on the other end of the call.... :-)

that was a super dose alright! :D

-- Ndungi Kyalo

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S. 118 • General penalty under the Act, e.g. using mobile phones or other communications equipment while driving. • 1st conviction - Fine not exceeding KES. 10,000/=. • Subsequent convictions - Fine not exceeding KES. 20,000/= or imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 months, or both ________________________________ From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Cc: skunkworks <skunkworks@my.co.ke> Sent: Monday, July 8, 2013 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] OT - Fine for driving while on phone The Traffic Act does not specify a fine for the offence. I have just checked. In such cases, then it's the court's discretion. However, maybe you should check the Amendments of 2012. On 8 July 2013 10:35, Kevin Omondi <kevin.ouma@gmail.com> wrote: Skunks

This is off topic but does anyone know the fine of driving while on mobile phone ? My driver has been arrested and need to go sort him out.

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