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@David, these guys are a bunch of annoying idiots. Here's why: :-) - If you need affordable computing = PC and M$ market. ( And your Open Source too, if you can get it to work well ) - Had MAC been left to bring the power of computers to the world's masses, only the corrupt and economic thieves would afford such machines leaving out entire populations. M$ and PC platforms brought the affordability to everyone's home. MAC would have been responsible for creating entire computer iliterate populations across the world, computer literacy would have been post-WW2 days. - Somewhere in the clip, MAC proudly says "you can run windows and mac on a single machine".* Very anti-competitve behaviour which infringes on consumer rights*, why can a PC not run MAC OS even in today''s times? Could it be because it's never been opened up and made available for immediate installation? Then why the idiotic and amatuer comparison? - I've been running a QuadCore, 8GB Ram PC-Laptop form factor for almost 2 years now. MAC not even close to releasing this platform until early last year. - iTunes, iMovies : 'No one gives a second thought on these systems when Africa cannot even access them effectively. MAC speaks for its motherland i.e USA, while PC/M$ speaks Globally. NO restrictions whatsoever. Have any African artists made it to iTunes or have any African Movies made it to iMovies? - The Virus joke is a bit too over-rated and frankly a kiddish argument. When actual data reserach is done, these software exploits are big business for some of the countries which are leading the creation of such scripts to create their own industries. I can go on record that I've been using M$ Windows since its first OS, never have any of my PC/Laptops ever suffered from crashes and the likes. Only computer amatuers and wanna-bees get entangled in the ignorance of such. MAÇ OS exploits exist but not commercial gains as yet. - MAC creates a website out of the box? Really, running what? - Movie making? Really? We should ask MAC owners who are being forced to PURCHASE FINAL CUT PRO at very steep USD prices. IMO, MAC and PC are not even comparison worthy. MAC is simple a vendor specific device that you cannot do anything much with so it should not even be compared in such segments. PC & M$ opens up an entire range of options that allow you to tailor make your specific needs. From affordability right out of the box to reliability and choices. Cheers :-) -- The EL_Diablo is a metaphor...
There are soapy things wrong with your arguments I am stunned. I have rto ask. Boss, did someone a Apple kill your puppy? On Wednesday, November 16, 2011, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@David, these guys are a bunch of annoying idiots. Here's why: :-)
- If you need affordable computing = PC and M$ market. ( And your Open Source too, if you can get it to work well )
- Had MAC been left to bring the power of computers to the world's masses, only the corrupt and economic thieves would afford such machines leaving out entire populations. M$ and PC platforms brought the affordability to everyone's home. MAC would have been responsible for creating entire computer iliterate populations across the world, computer literacy would have been post-WW2 days.
- Somewhere in the clip, MAC proudly says "you can run windows and mac on a single machine". Very anti-competitve behaviour which infringes on consumer rights, why can a PC not run MAC OS even in today''s times? Could it be because it's never been opened up and made available for immediate installation? Then why the idiotic and amatuer comparison?
- I've been running a QuadCore, 8GB Ram PC-Laptop form factor for almost 2 years now. MAC not even close to releasing this platform until early last year.
- iTunes, iMovies : 'No one gives a second thought on these systems when Africa cannot even access them effectively. MAC speaks for its motherland i.e USA, while PC/M$ speaks Globally. NO restrictions whatsoever. Have any African artists made it to iTunes or have any African Movies made it to iMovies?
- The Virus joke is a bit too over-rated and frankly a kiddish argument. When actual data reserach is done, these software exploits are big business for some of the countries which are leading the creation of such scripts to create their own industries. I can go on record that I've been using M$ Windows since its first OS, never have any of my PC/Laptops ever suffered from crashes and the likes. Only computer amatuers and wanna-bees get entangled in the ignorance of such. MAÇ OS exploits exist but not commercial gains as yet.
- MAC creates a website out of the box? Really, running what?
- Movie making? Really? We should ask MAC owners who are being forced to PURCHASE FINAL CUT PRO at very steep USD prices.
IMO, MAC and PC are not even comparison worthy. MAC is simple a vendor specific device that you cannot do anything much with so it should not even be compared in such segments. PC & M$ opens up an entire range of options that allow you to tailor make your specific needs. From affordability right out of the box to reliability and choices.
Cheers :-) -- The EL_Diablo is a metaphor...
@Rad, toboa if you want. So far I've just listed a few general comparions but ONE I'd like you to start with is affordable computing. :-) On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 8:54 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
There are soapy things wrong with your arguments I am stunned.
I have rto ask. Boss, did someone a Apple kill your puppy?
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 8:56 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Rad, toboa if you want. So far I've just listed a few general comparions but ONE I'd like you to start with is affordable computing. :-)
Its a joke if you claim microsoft somehow brought affordability. Entering into a cozy arrangement with hardware manufacturers such that the consumer is forced to buy windows when they may just want to buy hardware is improving affordablity ??! ...heh heh ... thats pretty rich !
Oddly enough there is some truth to the only part of the aki's rant that makes sense. Just go back in history and see how much Word Processing Suites, Spreadsheets, databases, operating systems, databases and even browsers (yes, browsers) used to cost back in the day until good old Bill decided to get into the mix. Like it or not he led the path to consumerize IT. Something Apple is now doing. On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 8:58 AM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info> wrote:
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 8:56 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Rad, toboa if you want. So far I've just listed a few general comparions but ONE I'd like you to start with is affordable computing. :-)
Its a joke if you claim microsoft somehow brought affordability. Entering into a cozy arrangement with hardware manufacturers such that the consumer is forced to buy windows when they may just want to buy hardware is improving affordablity ??! ...heh heh ... thats pretty rich ! _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------
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On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Oddly enough there is some truth to the only part of the aki's rant that makes sense. Just go back in history and see how much Word Processing Suites, Spreadsheets, databases, operating systems, databases and even browsers (yes, browsers) used to cost back in the day until good old Bill decided to get into the mix.
don't ms-office , ms-access and windows etc still cost money ?
Like it or not he led the path to consumerize IT. Something Apple is now doing.
certainly, i dont disagree with that.
And I thought it was an open source-windows war. Now windows is taking it to the other side. Apparently it depends on the price stratification. Open source bash windows windows bash mac and open source. Mac bash windows. Oh am seeing a pattern here. Its the problem of being in the middle thats disturbing window. Alijaribu kupita kati kati yao!! Anyway, bashing aside, every seller looks for a niche, and mac have found theirs and are filling it very well, their prices and finish quality is all about their niche market. It so happens that macs are so good that people seem to want them, despite their reservations on other systems. Therefore, people know if you want a mac you pay the price. Same goes to all the other systems, if you want freedom, you get linux. Now the problem with windows. Nah let me not talk about it for now, this may just start a flame war. LEt me just stop where praise macs. On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Ashok Hariharan <ashok@parliaments.info>wrote:
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Oddly enough there is some truth to the only part of the aki's rant that makes sense. Just go back in history and see how much Word Processing Suites, Spreadsheets, databases, operating systems, databases and even browsers (yes, browsers) used to cost back in the day until good old Bill decided to get into the mix.
don't ms-office , ms-access and windows etc still cost money ?
Like it or not he led the path to consumerize IT. Something Apple is now doing.
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@Frankline, the niche that you talk about would have ensured that you would have remained computer ilitrate and never seen a KYBD in your entire life. :-) On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Frankline Chitwa <frank.chitwa@gmail.com>wrote:
And I thought it was an open source-windows war. Now windows is taking it to the other side. Apparently it depends on the price stratification. Open source bash windows windows bash mac and open source. Mac bash windows. Oh am seeing a pattern here. Its the problem of being in the middle thats disturbing window. Alijaribu kupita kati kati yao!!
Anyway, bashing aside, every seller looks for a niche, and mac have found theirs and are filling it very well, their prices and finish quality is all about their niche market. It so happens that macs are so good that people seem to want them, despite their reservations on other systems. Therefore, people know if you want a mac you pay the price. Same goes to all the other systems, if you want freedom, you get linux.
Now the problem with windows. Nah let me not talk about it for now, this may just start a flame war. LEt me just stop where praise macs.
-- The EL_Diablo is a metaphor...
Not really, I think the developer community would much freer than it is today. Linux (in a different name) would come along. And the open source community would be better unified and not seeking patents for the sole reason of protecting itself from litigation. On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:39 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Frankline, the niche that you talk about would have ensured that you would have remained computer ilitrate and never seen a KYBD in your entire life. :-)
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Frankline Chitwa <frank.chitwa@gmail.com>wrote:
And I thought it was an open source-windows war. Now windows is taking it to the other side. Apparently it depends on the price stratification. Open source bash windows windows bash mac and open source. Mac bash windows. Oh am seeing a pattern here. Its the problem of being in the middle thats disturbing window. Alijaribu kupita kati kati yao!!
Anyway, bashing aside, every seller looks for a niche, and mac have found theirs and are filling it very well, their prices and finish quality is all about their niche market. It so happens that macs are so good that people seem to want them, despite their reservations on other systems. Therefore, people know if you want a mac you pay the price. Same goes to all the other systems, if you want freedom, you get linux.
Now the problem with windows. Nah let me not talk about it for now, this may just start a flame war. LEt me just stop where praise macs.
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@Frankilne, please let us not even go down the road of the so called developer community. What developer community are you referring to? Hope not those who download free software, tweak it and sell as commercial enterprise! Cheers. :-) On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Frankline Chitwa <frank.chitwa@gmail.com>wrote:
Not really, I think the developer community would much freer than it is today. Linux (in a different name) would come along. And the open source community would be better unified and not seeking patents for the sole reason of protecting itself from litigation.
Am not talking about those. Those ones are called users and administrators. Am talking about the real creators of open source. The kernel developers who have to worry whether they are infringing on a patent by adding mouse functionality, or making graphics appear in a certain way. Infact, if mac or xerox? had not pioneered the mouse, and windows pioneered it, nobody else would have a mouse. Thats the kind of thing am talking about On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:54 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Frankilne, please let us not even go down the road of the so called developer community. What developer community are you referring to? Hope not those who download free software, tweak it and sell as commercial enterprise!
Cheers. :-)
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Frankline Chitwa <frank.chitwa@gmail.com>wrote:
Not really, I think the developer community would much freer than it is today. Linux (in a different name) would come along. And the open source community would be better unified and not seeking patents for the sole reason of protecting itself from litigation.
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Am tired of deleting this mail :-) On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Frankline Chitwa <frank.chitwa@gmail.com> wrote:
Am not talking about those. Those ones are called users and administrators. Am talking about the real creators of open source. The kernel developers who have to worry whether they are infringing on a patent by adding mouse functionality, or making graphics appear in a certain way. Infact, if mac or xerox? had not pioneered the mouse, and windows pioneered it, nobody else would have a mouse. Thats the kind of thing am talking about
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:54 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Frankilne, please let us not even go down the road of the so called developer community. What developer community are you referring to? Hope not those who download free software, tweak it and sell as commercial enterprise!
Cheers. :-)
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Frankline Chitwa <frank.chitwa@gmail.com> wrote:
Not really, I think the developer community would much freer than it is today. Linux (in a different name) would come along. And the open source community would be better unified and not seeking patents for the sole reason of protecting itself from litigation.
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@All. I doubt David started this post with the idea of having a fight or spawn an argument. @Aki. In as much as i have found great assistance from you in the past and have a good deal of respect in the way you normally deal with things, i am beginning to feel that this is a rather personal matter that you're now starting to attack anytime someone mentions the word Apple or Mac OS. It scares me to think of what happens when the fruit guy walks by to sell Apples. Please refrain from causing such counterproductive arguments, there's a lot more we can discuss over the operating systems religion war. And twisting people's words to suit your ill-faced argument is not cool. How did you turn this: *Phares: Thing is, the Mac was never designed for people in lower income countries... Our pricing in Africa is actually higher than in the US... If your income is on average 45,000 USD per capita, a MacBook is not too expensive.* In to : *@Phares, I tend to disgaree with you on this point "the Mac was never designed for people in lower income countries". Was it then designed for the large middle income sector in the USA? So why would anyone even want to compare MAC and PC on the same level? <goog_66470849>* * <goog_66470849>* * <goog_66470849>* *On a second thought, you are right. MAC never wanted the rest of the world to become computer literate, is a good start... :-)* How does any of this target the world to become computer illiterate? What on earth are you on about guy? are you starting a 99% movement against Apple? * W.* On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Frankline Chitwa <frank.chitwa@gmail.com>wrote:
Not really, I think the developer community would much freer than it is today. Linux (in a different name) would come along. And the open source community would be better unified and not seeking patents for the sole reason of protecting itself from litigation.
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:39 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Frankline, the niche that you talk about would have ensured that you would have remained computer ilitrate and never seen a KYBD in your entire life. :-)
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Frankline Chitwa <frank.chitwa@gmail.com
wrote:
And I thought it was an open source-windows war. Now windows is taking it to the other side. Apparently it depends on the price stratification. Open source bash windows windows bash mac and open source. Mac bash windows. Oh am seeing a pattern here. Its the problem of being in the middle thats disturbing window. Alijaribu kupita kati kati yao!!
Anyway, bashing aside, every seller looks for a niche, and mac have found theirs and are filling it very well, their prices and finish quality is all about their niche market. It so happens that macs are so good that people seem to want them, despite their reservations on other systems. Therefore, people know if you want a mac you pay the price. Same goes to all the other systems, if you want freedom, you get linux.
Now the problem with windows. Nah let me not talk about it for now, this may just start a flame war. LEt me just stop where praise macs.
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@ Rahim lol !! Quote '' It scares me to think of what happens when the fruit guy walks by to sell Apples. '' On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Watchman <skunkingrahim@gmail.com> wrote:
@All. I doubt David started this post with the idea of having a fight or spawn an argument.
@Aki. In as much as i have found great assistance from you in the past and have a good deal of respect in the way you normally deal with things, i am beginning to feel that this is a rather personal matter that you're now starting to attack anytime someone mentions the word Apple or Mac OS. It scares me to think of what happens when the fruit guy walks by to sell Apples.
Please refrain from causing such counterproductive arguments, there's a lot more we can discuss over the operating systems religion war. And twisting people's words to suit your ill-faced argument is not cool. How did you turn this:
*Phares:
Thing is, the Mac was never designed for people in lower income countries... Our pricing in Africa is actually higher than in the US... If your income is on average 45,000 USD per capita, a MacBook is not too expensive.*
In to : *@Phares, I tend to disgaree with you on this point "the Mac was never designed for people in lower income countries". Was it then designed for the large middle income sector in the USA? So why would anyone even want to compare MAC and PC on the same level? <http://goog_66470849>* * <http://goog_66470849>* * <http://goog_66470849>* *On a second thought, you are right. MAC never wanted the rest of the world to become computer literate, is a good start... :-)*
How does any of this target the world to become computer illiterate? What on earth are you on about guy? are you starting a 99% movement against Apple? * W.*
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Frankline Chitwa <frank.chitwa@gmail.com>wrote:
Not really, I think the developer community would much freer than it is today. Linux (in a different name) would come along. And the open source community would be better unified and not seeking patents for the sole reason of protecting itself from litigation.
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:39 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Frankline, the niche that you talk about would have ensured that you would have remained computer ilitrate and never seen a KYBD in your entire life. :-)
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Frankline Chitwa < frank.chitwa@gmail.com> wrote:
And I thought it was an open source-windows war. Now windows is taking it to the other side. Apparently it depends on the price stratification. Open source bash windows windows bash mac and open source. Mac bash windows. Oh am seeing a pattern here. Its the problem of being in the middle thats disturbing window. Alijaribu kupita kati kati yao!!
Anyway, bashing aside, every seller looks for a niche, and mac have found theirs and are filling it very well, their prices and finish quality is all about their niche market. It so happens that macs are so good that people seem to want them, despite their reservations on other systems. Therefore, people know if you want a mac you pay the price. Same goes to all the other systems, if you want freedom, you get linux.
Now the problem with windows. Nah let me not talk about it for now, this may just start a flame war. LEt me just stop where praise macs.
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Watchie, My intention was to start a vibrant debate on these platforms and I am not deluded that emotions are strong as they are varied. This is why we started this forum and it's what it has been till recently. @Aki, I respect your every right to express views pro and against and I don't think you have crossed any line nor is it personal. All views are personal but not enough to cloud our judgement. My two cents on the matter is that this is the campaign that propelled Apple to be the largest company in the world by Market Cap and millions of users, amazing product lines and mind numbing margins. They enjoy much of their success to this initiative, let's give it to them. Does apple have superior products .. try using an Iphone, Ipod, Macbook etc and see if you wont leave wanting to get your own. Are they cheap? NO and they were never meant to be. Proprietary YES, Kool heck YES. Kiania D On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Watchman <skunkingrahim@gmail.com> wrote:
@All. I doubt David started this post with the idea of having a fight or spawn an argument.
@Aki. In as much as i have found great assistance from you in the past and have a good deal of respect in the way you normally deal with things, i am beginning to feel that this is a rather personal matter that you're now starting to attack anytime someone mentions the word Apple or Mac OS. It scares me to think of what happens when the fruit guy walks by to sell Apples.
Please refrain from causing such counterproductive arguments, there's a lot more we can discuss over the operating systems religion war. And twisting people's words to suit your ill-faced argument is not cool. How did you turn this:
*Phares:
Thing is, the Mac was never designed for people in lower income countries... Our pricing in Africa is actually higher than in the US... If your income is on average 45,000 USD per capita, a MacBook is not too expensive. *
In to :
*@Phares, I tend to disgaree with you on this point "the Mac was never designed for people in lower income countries". Was it then designed for the large middle income sector in the USA? So why would anyone even want to compare MAC and PC on the same level? <http://goog_66470849>* * <http://goog_66470849>* * <http://goog_66470849>* *On a second thought, you are right. MAC never wanted the rest of the world to become computer literate, is a good start... :-)*
How does any of this target the world to become computer illiterate? What on earth are you on about guy? are you starting a 99% movement against Apple? * W.*
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Frankline Chitwa <frank.chitwa@gmail.com>wrote:
Not really, I think the developer community would much freer than it is today. Linux (in a different name) would come along. And the open source community would be better unified and not seeking patents for the sole reason of protecting itself from litigation.
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:39 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Frankline, the niche that you talk about would have ensured that you would have remained computer ilitrate and never seen a KYBD in your entire life. :-)
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Frankline Chitwa < frank.chitwa@gmail.com> wrote:
And I thought it was an open source-windows war. Now windows is taking it to the other side. Apparently it depends on the price stratification. Open source bash windows windows bash mac and open source. Mac bash windows. Oh am seeing a pattern here. Its the problem of being in the middle thats disturbing window. Alijaribu kupita kati kati yao!!
Anyway, bashing aside, every seller looks for a niche, and mac have found theirs and are filling it very well, their prices and finish quality is all about their niche market. It so happens that macs are so good that people seem to want them, despite their reservations on other systems. Therefore, people know if you want a mac you pay the price. Same goes to all the other systems, if you want freedom, you get linux.
Now the problem with windows. Nah let me not talk about it for now, this may just start a flame war. LEt me just stop where praise macs.
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And dont judge them by their past, they are still slowly making their way to africa, and when that day comes, itunes and all others will be affordable to a select few kenyans(few thousands) but then again that number will grow. Maybe we need iMtumba.... On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 5:37 AM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd < kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
Watchie,
My intention was to start a vibrant debate on these platforms and I am not deluded that emotions are strong as they are varied. This is why we started this forum and it's what it has been till recently.
@Aki, I respect your every right to express views pro and against and I don't think you have crossed any line nor is it personal. All views are personal but not enough to cloud our judgement.
My two cents on the matter is that this is the campaign that propelled Apple to be the largest company in the world by Market Cap and millions of users, amazing product lines and mind numbing margins. They enjoy much of their success to this initiative, let's give it to them.
Does apple have superior products .. try using an Iphone, Ipod, Macbook etc and see if you wont leave wanting to get your own. Are they cheap? NO and they were never meant to be. Proprietary YES, Kool heck YES.
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On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Watchman <skunkingrahim@gmail.com>wrote:
@All. I doubt David started this post with the idea of having a fight or spawn an argument.
@Aki. In as much as i have found great assistance from you in the past and have a good deal of respect in the way you normally deal with things, i am beginning to feel that this is a rather personal matter that you're now starting to attack anytime someone mentions the word Apple or Mac OS. It scares me to think of what happens when the fruit guy walks by to sell Apples.
Please refrain from causing such counterproductive arguments, there's a lot more we can discuss over the operating systems religion war. And twisting people's words to suit your ill-faced argument is not cool. How did you turn this:
*Phares:
Thing is, the Mac was never designed for people in lower income countries... Our pricing in Africa is actually higher than in the US... If your income is on average 45,000 USD per capita, a MacBook is not too expensive. *
In to :
*@Phares, I tend to disgaree with you on this point "the Mac was never designed for people in lower income countries". Was it then designed for the large middle income sector in the USA? So why would anyone even want to compare MAC and PC on the same level? <http://goog_66470849>* * <http://goog_66470849>* * <http://goog_66470849>* *On a second thought, you are right. MAC never wanted the rest of the world to become computer literate, is a good start... :-)*
How does any of this target the world to become computer illiterate? What on earth are you on about guy? are you starting a 99% movement against Apple? * W.*
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Frankline Chitwa <frank.chitwa@gmail.com
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Not really, I think the developer community would much freer than it is today. Linux (in a different name) would come along. And the open source community would be better unified and not seeking patents for the sole reason of protecting itself from litigation.
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:39 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Frankline, the niche that you talk about would have ensured that you would have remained computer ilitrate and never seen a KYBD in your entire life. :-)
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Frankline Chitwa < frank.chitwa@gmail.com> wrote:
And I thought it was an open source-windows war. Now windows is taking it to the other side. Apparently it depends on the price stratification. Open source bash windows windows bash mac and open source. Mac bash windows. Oh am seeing a pattern here. Its the problem of being in the middle thats disturbing window. Alijaribu kupita kati kati yao!!
Anyway, bashing aside, every seller looks for a niche, and mac have found theirs and are filling it very well, their prices and finish quality is all about their niche market. It so happens that macs are so good that people seem to want them, despite their reservations on other systems. Therefore, people know if you want a mac you pay the price. Same goes to all the other systems, if you want freedom, you get linux.
Now the problem with windows. Nah let me not talk about it for now, this may just start a flame war. LEt me just stop where praise macs.
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@Aki, I am not sure what you have against Apple and MAC. You talk about how Mac is targeted for the US market and how we in Africa can't access them and their services like iTunes and iMovies, yet most of Apple sales now come from oversees markets. And I know quite a large number of people in Africa who use these service. Many design house in Africa use Macs to their production, and many music producers use Macs. There are many Africa artists in the iTunes Store, like our very own Hellon, but also others like DBanj, Samba Mapangala and any many other. If artists are not in the store, it is not the fault of Apple but their managers and products. In the contrart, iTunes has expanded the markets for these African artist far and beyond Africa, and myself I have purchased several tracks of African music from iTunes, something no other service can do. Even locally it is hard to get genuine African content that is not pirated. Just walk along Nairobi or any large malls and you will see the amount of pirate musics, TV shows and movies on sale. And Macs are not expensive, for the kind of computing power the offer. I am sure your HP Envy will cost more than a 13" MacBook Pro. And it wasn't Microsoft that made computing to the masses affordable alone. My first computer to use was an Apple II E, so your argument about the storied history of computing does not hold water. Both Microsoft and Apple have contributed in equal terms to the computing revolution. You may also not believe this, but Mac software is way far much cheaper than Windows. OS X Lion cost around 30 USD, while a Windows 7 Profession would cost around USD 399 or so. The productivity platform of Windows, Office 2007 or 2010 would cost around USD 499, while iWork Suite costs only around USD 9.99 for each for Pages, Numbers and Keynote. The Apple APP store has also revolutionize the way applications are distributed, marketed and managed. Many developers now have access to millions of customers due to the Apple Store, something that could not happen under Windows. And now everyone, including the upcoming version of Windows called Windows 8 has copied this mode. I hope you will not credit Bill Gates and Microsoft for this. I am a heavy user of both Windows and OS X, so I have nothing about MSFT, but something I think you are taking everything out of context. Adios.
I love this from @Philip. :-)))) Pls find inline: On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
@Aki,
I am not sure what you have against Apple and MAC.
When compared on a computing level, why am I unable to use the MAC OS on a machine of my choice? Are you now well informed.
You talk about how Mac is targeted for the US market and how we in Africa can't access them and their services like iTunes and iMovies, yet most of Apple sales now come from oversees markets. And I know quite a large number of people in Africa who use these service. Many design house in Africa use Macs to their production, and many music producers use Macs.
Really, out of the total number of tracks on iTunes, what % is from Africa?
There are many Africa artists in the iTunes Store, like our very own Hellon, but also others like DBanj, Samba Mapangala and any many other. If artists are not in the store, it is not the fault of Apple but their managers and products. In the contrart, iTunes has expanded the markets for these African artist far and beyond Africa, and myself I have purchased several tracks of African music from iTunes, something no other service can do. Even locally it is hard to get genuine African content that is not pirated. Just walk along Nairobi or any large malls and you will see the amount of pirate musics, TV shows and movies on sale.
And Macs are not expensive, for the kind of computing power the offer. I am sure your HP Envy will cost more than a 13" MacBook Pro.
I'll repeat this again. I can do WHATSOEVER I choose with my HP Envy including install Open Source. Will the Open SOurce work on a MAC?
And it wasn't Microsoft that made computing to the masses affordable alone. My first computer to use was an Apple II E, so your argument about the storied history of computing does not hold water. Both Microsoft and Apple have contributed in equal terms to the computing revolution.
Your first computer was a type writer or a word processor unit that looked like a computer. Some of us got the chance to use the real frist release of the PC platform and did plenty with it, including learning plenty too. So what did your WordProcessor do for you?
You may also not believe this, but Mac software is way far much cheaper than Windows. OS X Lion cost around 30 USD, while a Windows 7 Profession would cost around USD 399 or so. The productivity platform of Windows, Office 2007 or 2010 would cost around USD 499, while iWork Suite costs only around USD 9.99 for each for Pages, Numbers and Keynote.
Please tell me how to get OSX LION working straight out of the DVD/CD box on a PC based netbook??
The Apple APP store has also revolutionize the way applications are distributed, marketed and managed. Many developers now have access to millions of customers due to the Apple Store, something that could not happen under Windows. And now everyone, including the upcoming version of Windows called Windows 8 has copied this mode. I hope you will not credit Bill Gates and Microsoft for this.
I am a heavy user of both Windows and OS X, so I have nothing about MSFT, but something I think you are taking everything out of context.
Adios.
It may seem revolutionay to you, i.e the online systems but can you please explain to the user in rural kenya why they are paying so much for something they have no interest in? Rgds.
Dude ... i never said they were free. I said Microsoft's entry into the field led to lower prices across the board On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Ashok Hariharan <ashok@parliaments.info>wrote:
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Oddly enough there is some truth to the only part of the aki's rant that makes sense. Just go back in history and see how much Word Processing Suites, Spreadsheets, databases, operating systems, databases and even browsers (yes, browsers) used to cost back in the day until good old Bill decided to get into the mix.
don't ms-office , ms-access and windows etc still cost money ?
Like it or not he led the path to consumerize IT. Something Apple is now doing.
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Aki your arguments about installing MacOS on other hardware are deeply and fundamentally flawed. Apple have never promised you MacOS can run on any hardware. Why do you insist? You are behaving as if you were conned in some way. Why?
apple has just segmented the market and built products that will move fast despite the fact that the products are expensive. That is why they have insane profit margins and hence money to stay ahead of the rest. On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Aki your arguments about installing MacOS on other hardware are deeply and fundamentally flawed.
Apple have never promised you MacOS can run on any hardware.
Why do you insist? You are behaving as if you were conned in some way. Why?
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apple has just segmented the market and built products that will move fast despite the fact that the products are expensive. That is why they have insane profit margins and hence money to stay ahead of the rest.
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Aki your arguments about installing MacOS on other hardware are deeply and fundamentally flawed.
Apple have never promised you MacOS can run on any hardware.
Why do you insist? You are behaving as if you were conned in some way. Why?
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@James, you might want to have a look at the links I posted earlier. I understand your cognitive dissonance. The link from I.B.M has a part that says " ...... But there is considerable overlap between FreeBSD and Darwin development, and quite a few FreeBSD developers are Apple employees." I think that a number of key FreeBSD committers are Mac OS X developers simply because Apple hired them due to their operating systems' close ancestry. One of the guys is John Hubbard. Check this out [ http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/FreeBSD_Delay_Mac_OS_X_TMO_Speaks_Wit... ] Once again, please open the links I sent and read the pages, I might be wrong :) Martin.
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:
I think that a number of key FreeBSD committers are Mac OS X developers simply because Apple hired them due to their operating systems' close ancestry. One of the guys is John Hubbard. Check this out [ http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/FreeBSD_Delay_Mac_OS_X_TMO_Speaks_Wit... ]
Did you notice that the news link is more than 10 years old ?
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On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:
I think that a number of key FreeBSD committers are Mac OS X developers simply because Apple hired them due to their operating systems' close ancestry. One of the guys is John Hubbard. Check this out [ http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/FreeBSD_Delay_Mac_OS_X_TMO_Speaks_Wit... ]
Did you notice that the news link is more than 10 years old ? _______________________________________________
I had not noticed that but I doubt it changes anything. In any case, you are missing the point. OS X looks a lot like *BSD because of their common origins and the fact that they are developed by a fair share of coders in common. So the idea of it being a rip-off of OSS might be a slight exaggeration.
@ Martin I read that article some time ago. Dont think you're showing me anything new That article mentions quite afew - not majority - of apple devs....and thats only for the FreeBSD project. How you translated that to majority...i don't know There are 4 other BSD projects that apple hardly derives from. But if you are realy interested in the dev's stats, each project provides a list of developers and some bg info on each. Find them, read them then we will be on the same wavelength for a productive argument. 2011/11/16, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>:
@James, you might want to have a look at the links I posted earlier. I understand your cognitive dissonance. The link from I.B.M has a part that says " ...... But there is considerable overlap between FreeBSD and Darwin development, and quite a few FreeBSD developers are Apple employees."
I think that a number of key FreeBSD committers are Mac OS X developers simply because Apple hired them due to their operating systems' close ancestry. One of the guys is John Hubbard. Check this out [ http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/FreeBSD_Delay_Mac_OS_X_TMO_Speaks_Wit... ]
Once again, please open the links I sent and read the pages, I might be wrong :)
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@Martin The ripoff bit comes when they take open source (which was free) close it, add alittle of their own stuff that makes it less secure than anything else and flog it ...doesnt matter what price. Ontop of that compared to what they rip, they contribute very little back to open until pressure mounts on them 2011/11/16, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com>:
@ Martin I read that article some time ago. Dont think you're showing me anything new
That article mentions quite afew - not majority - of apple devs....and thats only for the FreeBSD project. How you translated that to majority...i don't know
There are 4 other BSD projects that apple hardly derives from. But if you are realy interested in the dev's stats, each project provides a list of developers and some bg info on each. Find them, read them then we will be on the same wavelength for a productive argument.
2011/11/16, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>:
@James, you might want to have a look at the links I posted earlier. I understand your cognitive dissonance. The link from I.B.M has a part that says " ...... But there is considerable overlap between FreeBSD and Darwin development, and quite a few FreeBSD developers are Apple employees."
I think that a number of key FreeBSD committers are Mac OS X developers simply because Apple hired them due to their operating systems' close ancestry. One of the guys is John Hubbard. Check this out [ http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/FreeBSD_Delay_Mac_OS_X_TMO_Speaks_Wit... ]
Once again, please open the links I sent and read the pages, I might be wrong :)
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Once again James, I disagree, sorry. If your idea of Open Source is Linux only then your view is skewed. Apple actually contributes back to *BSD, but simply because their code-bases / APIs are different from Linux, the contributions never reach Everyone. One of the core FreeBSD developers here [ http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-chat/2004-July/002494.html ] is quoted as saying, "Apple makes extensive use of open source for lower level operating system frameworks, application services, etc, and participates actively in many of the open source communities associated with those projects.". Also, I did not say a *majority of FreeBSD* developers are from Apple. I actually said *a number of key committers* of FreeBSD. Committers are the only ones who push changes to the main software repository. They number around 200, that means that Apple devs are much less, so my claims might actually be reasonable. Martin. On 11/16/11, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
@Martin The ripoff bit comes when they take open source (which was free) close it, add alittle of their own stuff that makes it less secure than anything else and flog it ...doesnt matter what price. Ontop of that compared to what they rip, they contribute very little back to open until pressure mounts on them
2011/11/16, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com>:
@ Martin I read that article some time ago. Dont think you're showing me anything new
That article mentions quite afew - not majority - of apple devs....and thats only for the FreeBSD project. How you translated that to majority...i don't know
There are 4 other BSD projects that apple hardly derives from. But if you are realy interested in the dev's stats, each project provides a list of developers and some bg info on each. Find them, read them then we will be on the same wavelength for a productive argument.
2011/11/16, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>:
@James, you might want to have a look at the links I posted earlier. I understand your cognitive dissonance. The link from I.B.M has a part that says " ...... But there is considerable overlap between FreeBSD and Darwin development, and quite a few FreeBSD developers are Apple employees."
I think that a number of key FreeBSD committers are Mac OS X developers simply because Apple hired them due to their operating systems' close ancestry. One of the guys is John Hubbard. Check this out [ http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/FreeBSD_Delay_Mac_OS_X_TMO_Speaks_Wit... ]
Once again, please open the links I sent and read the pages, I might be wrong :)
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Apple also contributes Webkit On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote:
Once again James, I disagree, sorry. If your idea of Open Source is Linux only then your view is skewed. Apple actually contributes back to *BSD, but simply because their code-bases / APIs are different from Linux, the contributions never reach Everyone.
One of the core FreeBSD developers here [ http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-chat/2004-July/002494.html ] is quoted as saying, "Apple makes extensive use of open source for lower level operating system frameworks, application services, etc, and participates actively in many of the open source communities associated with those projects.".
Also, I did not say a *majority of FreeBSD* developers are from Apple. I actually said *a number of key committers* of FreeBSD. Committers are the only ones who push changes to the main software repository. They number around 200, that means that Apple devs are much less, so my claims might actually be reasonable.
Martin.
On 11/16/11, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
@Martin The ripoff bit comes when they take open source (which was free) close it, add alittle of their own stuff that makes it less secure than anything else and flog it ...doesnt matter what price. Ontop of that compared to what they rip, they contribute very little back to open until pressure mounts on them
2011/11/16, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com>:
@ Martin I read that article some time ago. Dont think you're showing me anything new
That article mentions quite afew - not majority - of apple devs....and thats only for the FreeBSD project. How you translated that to majority...i don't know
There are 4 other BSD projects that apple hardly derives from. But if you are realy interested in the dev's stats, each project provides a list of developers and some bg info on each. Find them, read them then we will be on the same wavelength for a productive argument.
2011/11/16, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>:
@James, you might want to have a look at the links I posted earlier. I understand your cognitive dissonance. The link from I.B.M has a part that says " ...... But there is considerable overlap between FreeBSD and Darwin development, and quite a few FreeBSD developers are Apple employees."
I think that a number of key FreeBSD committers are Mac OS X developers simply because Apple hired them due to their operating systems' close ancestry. One of the guys is John Hubbard. Check this out [
http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/FreeBSD_Delay_Mac_OS_X_TMO_Speaks_Wit...
]
Once again, please open the links I sent and read the pages, I might be wrong :)
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@Martin How did you bring Linux into our discussion? Dont stray. Read my post again. Here is your claim about majority core BSD devs being apple devs:- 'The reason why Apple / Mac looks like "90%*FOSS rip-off", most of the core FreeBSD committers are also Apple developers' You are now being a politician. @Rad Webkit is apple's own opensource project. It was forked from KHTML of the KDE project. And even currently google is the biggest contributor to webkit 2011/11/16, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com>:
Apple also contributes Webkit
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote:
Once again James, I disagree, sorry. If your idea of Open Source is Linux only then your view is skewed. Apple actually contributes back to *BSD, but simply because their code-bases / APIs are different from Linux, the contributions never reach Everyone.
One of the core FreeBSD developers here [ http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-chat/2004-July/002494.html ] is quoted as saying, "Apple makes extensive use of open source for lower level operating system frameworks, application services, etc, and participates actively in many of the open source communities associated with those projects.".
Also, I did not say a *majority of FreeBSD* developers are from Apple. I actually said *a number of key committers* of FreeBSD. Committers are the only ones who push changes to the main software repository. They number around 200, that means that Apple devs are much less, so my claims might actually be reasonable.
Martin.
On 11/16/11, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
@Martin The ripoff bit comes when they take open source (which was free) close it, add alittle of their own stuff that makes it less secure than anything else and flog it ...doesnt matter what price. Ontop of that compared to what they rip, they contribute very little back to open until pressure mounts on them
2011/11/16, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com>:
@ Martin I read that article some time ago. Dont think you're showing me anything new
That article mentions quite afew - not majority - of apple devs....and thats only for the FreeBSD project. How you translated that to majority...i don't know
There are 4 other BSD projects that apple hardly derives from. But if you are realy interested in the dev's stats, each project provides a list of developers and some bg info on each. Find them, read them then we will be on the same wavelength for a productive argument.
2011/11/16, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>:
@James, you might want to have a look at the links I posted earlier. I understand your cognitive dissonance. The link from I.B.M has a part that says " ...... But there is considerable overlap between FreeBSD and Darwin development, and quite a few FreeBSD developers are Apple employees."
I think that a number of key FreeBSD committers are Mac OS X developers simply because Apple hired them due to their operating systems' close ancestry. One of the guys is John Hubbard. Check this out [
http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/FreeBSD_Delay_Mac_OS_X_TMO_Speaks_Wit...
]
Once again, please open the links I sent and read the pages, I might be wrong :)
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@Aki I have a pal, who has a mac book pro 15", He has plucked out the OSX and put his Ubuntu and works perfectly. So your argument of "I'll repeat this again. I can do WHATSOEVER I choose with my HP Envy including install Open Source. Will the Open SOurce work on a MAC?" Doesn't hold water whatsoever. Regards, Muendo On 16 November 2011 16:35, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
@Martin How did you bring Linux into our discussion? Dont stray. Read my post again. Here is your claim about majority core BSD devs being apple devs:- 'The reason why Apple / Mac looks like "90%*FOSS rip-off", most of the core FreeBSD committers are also Apple developers' You are now being a politician.
@Rad Webkit is apple's own opensource project. It was forked from KHTML of the KDE project. And even currently google is the biggest contributor to webkit
2011/11/16, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com>:
Apple also contributes Webkit
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote:
Once again James, I disagree, sorry. If your idea of Open Source is Linux only then your view is skewed. Apple actually contributes back to *BSD, but simply because their code-bases / APIs are different from Linux, the contributions never reach Everyone.
One of the core FreeBSD developers here [ http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-chat/2004-July/002494.html ] is quoted as saying, "Apple makes extensive use of open source for lower level operating system frameworks, application services, etc, and participates actively in many of the open source communities associated with those projects.".
Also, I did not say a *majority of FreeBSD* developers are from Apple. I actually said *a number of key committers* of FreeBSD. Committers are the only ones who push changes to the main software repository. They number around 200, that means that Apple devs are much less, so my claims might actually be reasonable.
Martin.
On 11/16/11, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
@Martin The ripoff bit comes when they take open source (which was free) close it, add alittle of their own stuff that makes it less secure than anything else and flog it ...doesnt matter what price. Ontop of that compared to what they rip, they contribute very little back to open until pressure mounts on them
2011/11/16, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com>:
@ Martin I read that article some time ago. Dont think you're showing me anything new
That article mentions quite afew - not majority - of apple devs....and thats only for the FreeBSD project. How you translated that to majority...i don't know
There are 4 other BSD projects that apple hardly derives from. But if you are realy interested in the dev's stats, each project provides a list of developers and some bg info on each. Find them, read them then we will be on the same wavelength for a productive argument.
2011/11/16, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>:
@James, you might want to have a look at the links I posted earlier. I understand your cognitive dissonance. The link from I.B.M has a part that says " ...... But there is considerable overlap between FreeBSD and Darwin development, and quite a few FreeBSD developers are Apple employees."
I think that a number of key FreeBSD committers are Mac OS X developers simply because Apple hired them due to their operating systems' close ancestry. One of the guys is John Hubbard. Check this out [
http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/FreeBSD_Delay_Mac_OS_X_TMO_Speaks_Wit...
]
Once again, please open the links I sent and read the pages, I might be wrong :)
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Back after almost a 7 hour power outage! :-) I've read this thread and I still don't see any hardcore MAC people justifying the closed system. Neither have I read a single Tag line offered by the same. Infact, I'm very tempted to start *advocating for Microsoft and Intel to completely lock down the hardware and software just as MAC*. Then our Open Source people can buy expensive MACs and also develop some of their own Open Hardware for a change. Goodbye Open Source! So far you've had it easy but exploiting the X86 platform that was originally the PC. Gentlemen, I see the argument between Bentley and the popular Toyota. I also see the argument that both are "motor-vehicles/automobiles". Please provide a link where Bentley is trying to compete with popular Toyota? I can imagine Toyota trying to add features that would be common in a Bentley which makes sense. For those who say my arguments are flawed, I've put you to the challenge of your promoting your favorite OSes and Systems. I'm still waiting to read corrections. Rgds. :-)
all am seeing here are fanboys http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanboy. either side is making what it thinks are rational arguments but all are tinged with emotional attachment to their objects of affection. it's an argument that can never be settled On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 18:13, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Back after almost a 7 hour power outage! :-)
I've read this thread and I still don't see any hardcore MAC people justifying the closed system. Neither have I read a single Tag line offered by the same. Infact, I'm very tempted to start *advocating for Microsoft and Intel to completely lock down the hardware and software just as MAC*. Then our Open Source people can buy expensive MACs and also develop some of their own Open Hardware for a change. Goodbye Open Source! So far you've had it easy but exploiting the X86 platform that was originally the PC.
Gentlemen, I see the argument between Bentley and the popular Toyota. I also see the argument that both are "motor-vehicles/automobiles". Please provide a link where Bentley is trying to compete with popular Toyota? I can imagine Toyota trying to add features that would be common in a Bentley which makes sense.
For those who say my arguments are flawed, I've put you to the challenge of your promoting your favorite OSes and Systems. I'm still waiting to read corrections.
Rgds. :-)
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Here is an Ubuntu fanboy who can't get it to work on MAC running OSX Lion. "I want to run Ubuntu on my Mac, but I've googled and tried everything, but I can't find a clear solution to this problem. Is there anyone who can help me get Ubuntu installed? " Guess what, the site admin closed the thread! http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1857149 Amanya, this thread is not about fanboys/girls. This is about the progress and access to technologies which at the end of the day affect us all, whether pricing, development or even just messing around. I'm very surpirsed that even the Open Source people disgaree with me on the issues of too propreitary systems. Just because Microsoft was proprietary, they went bersek and created their own OSes. I hope someday both Microsoft and Intel will see what positive they did for the computer age. While the OS is closed, the hardware is not restrictive at all. If Intel/Microsoft went the MAC route, today we would be seeing a tombstone in the computer age with a message : "Here lies Open Source. While the original developers fought hard to create a system that would benefit millions, they could not find an economical hardware platform to run it on. DOA courtesy of locked hardware systems". Fortunately they were able to exploit the the X86 PC platform and get their systems to the people who believed in this system. Today how many can claim to own ARM, AMD or even IBM/Motorola platforms in their homes, offices, schools. So I think let us advocate for the computer hardware platform to be fully locked so that prices shoot up where everything will be fine quality. Then let us question why we áre all of a sudden being left behind in the computer age, where schools cannot afford the hardware to run locked Operating Systems that are machine specific. Reality will show the discussion of this thread to be an ethical issue that effects the entire computer age. Some thots. :-) On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 7:14 PM, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote:
all am seeing here are fanboys http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanboy. either side is making what it thinks are rational arguments but all are tinged with emotional attachment to their objects of affection. it's an argument that can never be settled
@Aki. At the risk of sounding brash, why not contact apple directly and complain? Rahim. On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 7:40 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Here is an Ubuntu fanboy who can't get it to work on MAC running OSX Lion. "I want to run Ubuntu on my Mac, but I've googled and tried everything, but I can't find a clear solution to this problem. Is there anyone who can help me get Ubuntu installed? "
Guess what, the site admin closed the thread! http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1857149
Amanya, this thread is not about fanboys/girls. This is about the progress and access to technologies which at the end of the day affect us all, whether pricing, development or even just messing around. I'm very surpirsed that even the Open Source people disgaree with me on the issues of too propreitary systems. Just because Microsoft was proprietary, they went bersek and created their own OSes. I hope someday both Microsoft and Intel will see what positive they did for the computer age. While the OS is closed, the hardware is not restrictive at all. If Intel/Microsoft went the MAC route, today we would be seeing a tombstone in the computer age with a message :
"Here lies Open Source. While the original developers fought hard to create a system that would benefit millions, they could not find an economical hardware platform to run it on. DOA courtesy of locked hardware systems".
Fortunately they were able to exploit the the X86 PC platform and get their systems to the people who believed in this system. Today how many can claim to own ARM, AMD or even IBM/Motorola platforms in their homes, offices, schools. So I think let us advocate for the computer hardware platform to be fully locked so that prices shoot up where everything will be fine quality. Then let us question why we áre all of a sudden being left behind in the computer age, where schools cannot afford the hardware to run locked Operating Systems that are machine specific.
Reality will show the discussion of this thread to be an ethical issue that effects the entire computer age.
Some thots. :-)
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 7:14 PM, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote:
all am seeing here are fanboys http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanboy. either side is making what it thinks are rational arguments but all are tinged with emotional attachment to their objects of affection. it's an argument that can never be settled
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Can't remember the last time I wrote such a lengthy email,how about you just write a blog. This post is an eyesore for me now. Sorry in advance. Sent from my iPad On Nov 16, 2011, at 8:14 PM, Watchman <skunkingrahim@gmail.com> wrote:
@Aki.
At the risk of sounding brash, why not contact apple directly and complain?
Rahim.
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 7:40 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote: Here is an Ubuntu fanboy who can't get it to work on MAC running OSX Lion. "I want to run Ubuntu on my Mac, but I've googled and tried everything, but I can't find a clear solution to this problem. Is there anyone who can help me get Ubuntu installed? "
Guess what, the site admin closed the thread! http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1857149
Amanya, this thread is not about fanboys/girls. This is about the progress and access to technologies which at the end of the day affect us all, whether pricing, development or even just messing around. I'm very surpirsed that even the Open Source people disgaree with me on the issues of too propreitary systems. Just because Microsoft was proprietary, they went bersek and created their own OSes. I hope someday both Microsoft and Intel will see what positive they did for the computer age. While the OS is closed, the hardware is not restrictive at all. If Intel/Microsoft went the MAC route, today we would be seeing a tombstone in the computer age with a message :
"Here lies Open Source. While the original developers fought hard to create a system that would benefit millions, they could not find an economical hardware platform to run it on. DOA courtesy of locked hardware systems".
Fortunately they were able to exploit the the X86 PC platform and get their systems to the people who believed in this system. Today how many can claim to own ARM, AMD or even IBM/Motorola platforms in their homes, offices, schools. So I think let us advocate for the computer hardware platform to be fully locked so that prices shoot up where everything will be fine quality. Then let us question why we áre all of a sudden being left behind in the computer age, where schools cannot afford the hardware to run locked Operating Systems that are machine specific.
Reality will show the discussion of this thread to be an ethical issue that effects the entire computer age.
Some thots. :-)
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 7:14 PM, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote: all am seeing here are fanboys http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanboy. either side is making what it thinks are rational arguments but all are tinged with emotional attachment to their objects of affection. it's an argument that can never be settled
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@Watchman, :-) As you already know, discussion provide everyone food for thought, opens our views, keep us informed. Because we are informed, we are able to make informed decisions. I think Apple has very tough Apps application conditions, I'm certain many may have complained or even protested but got no where. How e.g. does an App store remove an App which it deems not fit for public? Who decides that, the public or the system? Rgds. On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 8:14 PM, Watchman <skunkingrahim@gmail.com> wrote:
@Aki.
At the risk of sounding brash, why not contact apple directly and complain?
Rahim.
@Aki, My only problem with your view is that it seems to assume that we are devoid of choice. Apple is an opt-in platform. With a very high entry point. Voluntary. You spend 1,500 USD to buy a MacBook Pro, more for the 17 inch! Really, there are options! If Java don't want to sell you their coffee beans but they have the best latte, you have no choice but to keep buying the Java latte. it's not mission critical, it's a latte. Same thing. iPads are good to have but you can always buy a Huawei tablet... -- Regards, Phares Kaboro Kariuki -----Original Message----- From: aki <aki275@gmail.com> Sender: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 20:24:33 To: Skunkworks Mailing List<skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Reply-To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] I am a Mac/I am PC _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://orion.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
@Phares, @Jared has a point that I should take this to a blog site, he is such a one liner troll. :-)) Anyway since am passing through for a short while, I'll can tell you the matter is not so simple. It is also not about what options we have but I've learned something on this thread which I intend to put on the net later. Let us make calls for computer maufacturers to lock down systems completely, then we will be able to see the full impact of the options available. My final contribution to this thread. Rgds. :-) On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 8:30 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
@Aki,
My only problem with your view is that it seems to assume that we are devoid of choice. Apple is an opt-in platform. With a very high entry point. Voluntary. You spend 1,500 USD to buy a MacBook Pro, more for the 17 inch! Really, there are options! If Java don't want to sell you their coffee beans but they have the best latte, you have no choice but to keep buying the Java latte. it's not mission critical, it's a latte. Same thing. iPads are good to have but you can always buy a Huawei tablet... --
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On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 7:40 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Here is an Ubuntu fanboy who can't get it to work on MAC running OSX Lion. "I want to run Ubuntu on my Mac, but I've googled and tried everything, but I can't find a clear solution to this problem. Is there anyone who can help me get Ubuntu installed? "
Guess what, the site admin closed the thread! http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1857149
sometimes if you read the links that you post yourself - you wouldnt need to type so much: "admin closed duplicate thread". See : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MactelSupportTeam/CommunityHelpPages#Mactel_Wiki_Sup...
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 6:13 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
by the same. Infact, I'm very tempted to start advocating for Microsoft and Intel to completely lock down the hardware and software just as MAC. Then
Yeah go ahead call them up. Let us know (25 word limit please) how it went with the call center attendant in philipines or india.
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 10:02 PM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info> wrote:
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 6:13 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
by the same. Infact, I'm very tempted to start advocating for Microsoft and Intel to completely lock down the hardware and software just as MAC. Then
Yeah go ahead call them up. Let us know (25 word limit please) how it went with the call center attendant in philipines or india.
@Ashok, Thanks for the attempted corrections, however your ubuntu links show nothing about OSX Lion and Ubuntu. I believe this was the help wanted by the original poster. You have embraced the MAC system quite well, but at the same time you are pro-Open Source. How does this work out? Is this not what I wrote on another thread, Unix kernel devotees turning to totally closed systems? Regarding my calls to India and the word count limit you place, I've been away from M$ for many years. However, this is quite interesting now so as a renewed interest in the war, please please ensure that your Open Hardware platforms are in place. Who knows, my renewed interest may one day take me to Richmond where I can lay my case for all the losses that the enterprise is taking in due to leaving hardware platforms open. If totally proprietary systems can get away with anti-competitive behaviours, then I see no reason why others cannot follow suite. Some limited thots. :-) -- **Sent from my Microsoft/Intel based computer. Affordable & reliable computing for Decades**
@Ashok I know about the permissive BSD license very well, but you remember I talked about *honour* earlier. You just clarified my point by* Differentiating between IBM and Apple. * IBM's Proactive blowback VS. Apple's Low down dirty shameful little contribs The rip-off though legal it still a rip-off _______________________________________________ *Good judgement comes from Experience.* *Most of that comes from Bad Judgement.* _______________________________________________ * * 2011/11/16 aki <aki275@gmail.com>
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 10:02 PM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info>wrote:
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 6:13 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
by the same. Infact, I'm very tempted to start advocating for Microsoft and Intel to completely lock down the hardware and software just as MAC. Then
Yeah go ahead call them up. Let us know (25 word limit please) how it went with the call center attendant in philipines or india.
@Ashok,
Thanks for the attempted corrections, however your ubuntu links show nothing about OSX Lion and Ubuntu. I believe this was the help wanted by the original poster. You have embraced the MAC system quite well, but at the same time you are pro-Open Source. How does this work out? Is this not what I wrote on another thread, Unix kernel devotees turning to totally closed systems?
Regarding my calls to India and the word count limit you place, I've been away from M$ for many years. However, this is quite interesting now so as a renewed interest in the war, please please ensure that your Open Hardware platforms are in place. Who knows, my renewed interest may one day take me to Richmond where I can lay my case for all the losses that the enterprise is taking in due to leaving hardware platforms open. If totally proprietary systems can get away with anti-competitive behaviours, then I see no reason why others cannot follow suite.
Some limited thots. :-)
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@AKI I don't understand is why you of all people want to use***products that offer *no clear overall* advantage over the others. Apple usually fools people (mostly the uninformed) into using their stuff. For what logical reason would you want to champion such a useless cause (demanding crapple open up their stuff)? They tried opening with darwin but no one is interested in developing for that shit. If people want to limit themselves let them! ***Unless maybe you want to "Legally" develop for iOS??? _______________________________________________ *Good judgement comes from Experience.* *Most of that comes from Bad Judgement.* _______________________________________________ * * 2011/11/17 James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com>
@Ashok I know about the permissive BSD license very well, but you remember I talked about *honour* earlier. You just clarified my point by* Differentiating between IBM and Apple. * IBM's Proactive blowback VS. Apple's Low down dirty shameful little contribs The rip-off though legal it still a rip-off
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On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 10:02 PM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info>wrote:
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 6:13 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
by the same. Infact, I'm very tempted to start advocating for Microsoft and Intel to completely lock down the hardware and software just as MAC. Then
Yeah go ahead call them up. Let us know (25 word limit please) how it went with the call center attendant in philipines or india.
@Ashok,
Thanks for the attempted corrections, however your ubuntu links show nothing about OSX Lion and Ubuntu. I believe this was the help wanted by the original poster. You have embraced the MAC system quite well, but at the same time you are pro-Open Source. How does this work out? Is this not what I wrote on another thread, Unix kernel devotees turning to totally closed systems?
Regarding my calls to India and the word count limit you place, I've been away from M$ for many years. However, this is quite interesting now so as a renewed interest in the war, please please ensure that your Open Hardware platforms are in place. Who knows, my renewed interest may one day take me to Richmond where I can lay my case for all the losses that the enterprise is taking in due to leaving hardware platforms open. If totally proprietary systems can get away with anti-competitive behaviours, then I see no reason why others cannot follow suite.
Some limited thots. :-)
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Yeah Aki I think you are just an opensource basher, looking to prove the inadequacies of open source. Truth is without open source windows would be much more expensive. Apple would remain the same. Apple does not depend so much on what others do while windows always tries to shut down the competition. Let me color it a little on what I see (this is just my opinion). If there are quotes of "the mission" from apple and from windows, window's would be 3e (embrace, extend, extinguish) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish, while from apple, "Let me put a team with yours". That is why people don't bash on apple or opensource. As I said earlier, the two (apple and opensource) work together ( https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook) but windows and windows fans for some reason always find a way to bash both of these, calling one too expensive and the other too cheap. For those who say my arguments are flawed, I've put you to the challenge of
your promoting your favorite OSes and Systems. I'm still waiting to read corrections.
That there is how to raise a fanboy flame. I believe all Oses are ok. I thought the only point of contention in this thread is business practices. On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 7:53 AM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
@AKI I don't understand is why you of all people want to use***products that offer *no clear overall* advantage over the others. Apple usually fools people (mostly the uninformed) into using their stuff. For what logical reason would you want to champion such a useless cause (demanding crapple open up their stuff)? They tried opening with darwin but no one is interested in developing for that shit.
If people want to limit themselves let them!
***Unless maybe you want to "Legally" develop for iOS???
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@Ashok I know about the permissive BSD license very well, but you remember I talked about *honour* earlier. You just clarified my point by* Differentiating between IBM and Apple. * IBM's Proactive blowback VS. Apple's Low down dirty shameful little contribs The rip-off though legal it still a rip-off
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On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 10:02 PM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info>wrote:
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 6:13 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
by the same. Infact, I'm very tempted to start advocating for Microsoft and Intel to completely lock down the hardware and software just as MAC. Then
Yeah go ahead call them up. Let us know (25 word limit please) how it went with the call center attendant in philipines or india.
@Ashok,
Thanks for the attempted corrections, however your ubuntu links show nothing about OSX Lion and Ubuntu. I believe this was the help wanted by the original poster. You have embraced the MAC system quite well, but at the same time you are pro-Open Source. How does this work out? Is this not what I wrote on another thread, Unix kernel devotees turning to totally closed systems?
Regarding my calls to India and the word count limit you place, I've been away from M$ for many years. However, this is quite interesting now so as a renewed interest in the war, please please ensure that your Open Hardware platforms are in place. Who knows, my renewed interest may one day take me to Richmond where I can lay my case for all the losses that the enterprise is taking in due to leaving hardware platforms open. If totally proprietary systems can get away with anti-competitive behaviours, then I see no reason why others cannot follow suite.
Some limited thots. :-)
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He isn't bashing opensource. He wants crapple to loosen up its tether on its products. So that they can be used anywhere and anyhow......but why would anyone want that when there are better options?????????????? _______________________________________________ *Good judgement comes from Experience.* *Most of that comes from Bad Judgement.* _______________________________________________ * * 2011/11/17 Frankline Chitwa <frank.chitwa@gmail.com>
Yeah Aki I think you are just an opensource basher, looking to prove the inadequacies of open source. Truth is without open source windows would be much more expensive. Apple would remain the same. Apple does not depend so much on what others do while windows always tries to shut down the competition. Let me color it a little on what I see (this is just my opinion). If there are quotes of "the mission" from apple and from windows, window's would be 3e (embrace, extend, extinguish) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish, while from apple, "Let me put a team with yours".
That is why people don't bash on apple or opensource. As I said earlier, the two (apple and opensource) work together ( https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook) but windows and windows fans for some reason always find a way to bash both of these, calling one too expensive and the other too cheap.
For those who say my arguments are flawed, I've put you to the challenge
of your promoting your favorite OSes and Systems. I'm still waiting to read corrections.
That there is how to raise a fanboy flame. I believe all Oses are ok. I thought the only point of contention in this thread is business practices.
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 7:53 AM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
@AKI I don't understand is why you of all people want to use***products that offer *no clear overall* advantage over the others. Apple usually fools people (mostly the uninformed) into using their stuff. For what logical reason would you want to champion such a useless cause (demanding crapple open up their stuff)? They tried opening with darwin but no one is interested in developing for that shit.
If people want to limit themselves let them!
***Unless maybe you want to "Legally" develop for iOS???
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@Ashok I know about the permissive BSD license very well, but you remember I talked about *honour* earlier. You just clarified my point by* Differentiating between IBM and Apple. * IBM's Proactive blowback VS. Apple's Low down dirty shameful little contribs The rip-off though legal it still a rip-off
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2011/11/16 aki <aki275@gmail.com>
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 10:02 PM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info>wrote:
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 6:13 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
by the same. Infact, I'm very tempted to start advocating for Microsoft and Intel to completely lock down the hardware and software just as MAC. Then
Yeah go ahead call them up. Let us know (25 word limit please) how it went with the call center attendant in philipines or india.
@Ashok,
Thanks for the attempted corrections, however your ubuntu links show nothing about OSX Lion and Ubuntu. I believe this was the help wanted by the original poster. You have embraced the MAC system quite well, but at the same time you are pro-Open Source. How does this work out? Is this not what I wrote on another thread, Unix kernel devotees turning to totally closed systems?
Regarding my calls to India and the word count limit you place, I've been away from M$ for many years. However, this is quite interesting now so as a renewed interest in the war, please please ensure that your Open Hardware platforms are in place. Who knows, my renewed interest may one day take me to Richmond where I can lay my case for all the losses that the enterprise is taking in due to leaving hardware platforms open. If totally proprietary systems can get away with anti-competitive behaviours, then I see no reason why others cannot follow suite.
Some limited thots. :-)
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*ALL OS'S ARE EQUAL. * But some Os's are better than others. * w*.or.well. On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 8:26 AM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
He isn't bashing opensource. He wants crapple to loosen up its tether on its products. So that they can be used anywhere and anyhow......but why would anyone want that when there are better options??????????????
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Yeah Aki I think you are just an opensource basher, looking to prove the inadequacies of open source. Truth is without open source windows would be much more expensive. Apple would remain the same. Apple does not depend so much on what others do while windows always tries to shut down the competition. Let me color it a little on what I see (this is just my opinion). If there are quotes of "the mission" from apple and from windows, window's would be 3e (embrace, extend, extinguish) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish, while from apple, "Let me put a team with yours".
That is why people don't bash on apple or opensource. As I said earlier, the two (apple and opensource) work together ( https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook) but windows and windows fans for some reason always find a way to bash both of these, calling one too expensive and the other too cheap.
For those who say my arguments are flawed, I've put you to the challenge
of your promoting your favorite OSes and Systems. I'm still waiting to read corrections.
That there is how to raise a fanboy flame. I believe all Oses are ok. I thought the only point of contention in this thread is business practices.
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 7:53 AM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
@AKI I don't understand is why you of all people want to use***products that offer *no clear overall* advantage over the others. Apple usually fools people (mostly the uninformed) into using their stuff. For what logical reason would you want to champion such a useless cause (demanding crapple open up their stuff)? They tried opening with darwin but no one is interested in developing for that shit.
If people want to limit themselves let them!
***Unless maybe you want to "Legally" develop for iOS???
_______________________________________________
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*
2011/11/17 James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com>
@Ashok I know about the permissive BSD license very well, but you remember I talked about *honour* earlier. You just clarified my point by* Differentiating between IBM and Apple. * IBM's Proactive blowback VS. Apple's Low down dirty shameful little contribs The rip-off though legal it still a rip-off
_______________________________________________
*Good judgement comes from Experience.* *Most of that comes from Bad Judgement.* _______________________________________________ *
*
2011/11/16 aki <aki275@gmail.com>
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 10:02 PM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info>wrote:
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 6:13 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote: > by the same. Infact, I'm very tempted to start advocating for Microsoft and > Intel to completely lock down the hardware and software just as MAC. Then
Yeah go ahead call them up. Let us know (25 word limit please) how it went with the call center attendant in philipines or india.
@Ashok,
Thanks for the attempted corrections, however your ubuntu links show nothing about OSX Lion and Ubuntu. I believe this was the help wanted by the original poster. You have embraced the MAC system quite well, but at the same time you are pro-Open Source. How does this work out? Is this not what I wrote on another thread, Unix kernel devotees turning to totally closed systems?
Regarding my calls to India and the word count limit you place, I've been away from M$ for many years. However, this is quite interesting now so as a renewed interest in the war, please please ensure that your Open Hardware platforms are in place. Who knows, my renewed interest may one day take me to Richmond where I can lay my case for all the losses that the enterprise is taking in due to leaving hardware platforms open. If totally proprietary systems can get away with anti-competitive behaviours, then I see no reason why others cannot follow suite.
Some limited thots. :-)
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@ Thomas ...it got boring days ago !! On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Thomas Kibui <thomas.kibui@gmail.com> wrote:
This is getting boring now ..
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On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>wrote:
@ Thomas ...it got boring days ago !!
Hey @ Alvin, Thomas. Gentlemen, this thread may be boring to you because it carries no commerce value nor new ideas for public takes. Kindly let the technologists do their thing, there are very few remaining and this is what we are. And when we see threads of commerce value that have little or no interest to many of us, they can be tagged as along similar lines. Me thots. :-) **Sent from my Microsoft/Intel based computer. Affordable & reliable computing for Decades**
Its got boring because there is no sense being put across, just some personal vendetta about this or that. There is no real value added by this discussion if it focuses on what I like and what I don't like! ./Ok3ch On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:55 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
@ Thomas ...it got boring days ago !!
Hey @ Alvin, Thomas.
Gentlemen, this thread may be boring to you because it carries no commerce value nor new ideas for public takes. Kindly let the technologists do their thing, there are very few remaining and this is what we are. And when we see threads of commerce value that have little or no interest to many of us, they can be tagged as along similar lines.
Me thots. :-)
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Its got boring because there is no sense being put across, just some personal vendetta about this or that. There is no real value added by this discussion if it focuses on what I like and what I don't like!
./Ok3ch
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:55 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com
wrote:
@ Thomas ...it got boring days ago !!
Hey @ Alvin, Thomas.
Gentlemen, this thread may be boring to you because it carries no commerce value nor new ideas for public takes. Kindly let the technologists do their thing, there are very few remaining and this is what we are. And when we see threads of commerce value that have little or no interest to many of us, they can be tagged as along similar lines.
Me thots. :-)
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@ Aki I hope you have read Okech's comments below which I concur with FULLY !! @James how long have u been on skunkworks...really? Move to FB...:-) On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:06 PM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
@Alvin & Okech As long as no rules have been violated wachana na watu wabishane to their hearts content. The thread bores because it was not designed for entertainment. Your sentiments oppose freedom of expression
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2011/11/17 Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com>
Its got boring because there is no sense being put across, just some personal vendetta about this or that. There is no real value added by this discussion if it focuses on what I like and what I don't like!
./Ok3ch
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:55 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
@ Thomas ...it got boring days ago !!
Hey @ Alvin, Thomas.
Gentlemen, this thread may be boring to you because it carries no commerce value nor new ideas for public takes. Kindly let the technologists do their thing, there are very few remaining and this is what we are. And when we see threads of commerce value that have little or no interest to many of us, they can be tagged as along similar lines.
Me thots. :-)
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@James I never said stop (am shocked some people say this is the end of this thread yet they have no right to do so), just said I think it adds no value, and as much as it doesn't, it has to go on. Remember, your telling me this is also stiffling my freedom of expression, hehehe!! ./Ok3ch On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:06 PM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
@Alvin & Okech As long as no rules have been violated wachana na watu wabishane to their hearts content. The thread bores because it was not designed for entertainment. Your sentiments oppose freedom of expression
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2011/11/17 Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com>
Its got boring because there is no sense being put across, just some personal vendetta about this or that. There is no real value added by this discussion if it focuses on what I like and what I don't like!
./Ok3ch
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:55 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
@ Thomas ...it got boring days ago !!
Hey @ Alvin, Thomas.
Gentlemen, this thread may be boring to you because it carries no commerce value nor new ideas for public takes. Kindly let the technologists do their thing, there are very few remaining and this is what we are. And when we see threads of commerce value that have little or no interest to many of us, they can be tagged as along similar lines.
Me thots. :-)
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We've all had fun at the "Unsubscribe me" threads. Let's leave this one be. Aki's got his point of view. While there may be a lot being said, enjoy it or stop reading it. Filter the mail if you want, just leave it be. * W.* On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@James I never said stop (am shocked some people say this is the end of this thread yet they have no right to do so), just said I think it adds no value, and as much as it doesn't, it has to go on. Remember, your telling me this is also stiffling my freedom of expression, hehehe!!
./Ok3ch
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:06 PM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
@Alvin & Okech As long as no rules have been violated wachana na watu wabishane to their hearts content. The thread bores because it was not designed for entertainment. Your sentiments oppose freedom of expression
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2011/11/17 Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com>
Its got boring because there is no sense being put across, just some personal vendetta about this or that. There is no real value added by this discussion if it focuses on what I like and what I don't like!
./Ok3ch
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:55 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
@ Thomas ...it got boring days ago !!
Hey @ Alvin, Thomas.
Gentlemen, this thread may be boring to you because it carries no commerce value nor new ideas for public takes. Kindly let the technologists do their thing, there are very few remaining and this is what we are. And when
we
see threads of commerce value that have little or no interest to many of us, they can be tagged as along similar lines.
Me thots. :-)
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lol @watchie just saw ur chat :-( On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:17 PM, Watchman <skunkingrahim@gmail.com> wrote:
We've all had fun at the "Unsubscribe me" threads. Let's leave this one be. Aki's got his point of view. While there may be a lot being said, enjoy it or stop reading it.
Filter the mail if you want, just leave it be. * W.*
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@James I never said stop (am shocked some people say this is the end of this thread yet they have no right to do so), just said I think it adds no value, and as much as it doesn't, it has to go on. Remember, your telling me this is also stiffling my freedom of expression, hehehe!!
./Ok3ch
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:06 PM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
@Alvin & Okech As long as no rules have been violated wachana na watu wabishane to their hearts content. The thread bores because it was not designed for entertainment. Your sentiments oppose freedom of expression
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2011/11/17 Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com>
Its got boring because there is no sense being put across, just some personal vendetta about this or that. There is no real value added by this discussion if it focuses on what I like and what I don't like!
./Ok3ch
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:55 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
@ Thomas ...it got boring days ago !!
Hey @ Alvin, Thomas.
Gentlemen, this thread may be boring to you because it carries no commerce value nor new ideas for public takes. Kindly let the technologists do their thing, there are very few remaining and this is what we are. And
when we
see threads of commerce value that have little or no interest to many of us, they can be tagged as along similar lines.
Me thots. :-)
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Hmm.. interesting read about Apple. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xL1FdQubPo * W.* On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>wrote:
lol @watchie just saw ur chat :-(
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:17 PM, Watchman <skunkingrahim@gmail.com>wrote:
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On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@James I never said stop (am shocked some people say this is the end of this thread yet they have no right to do so), just said I think it adds no value, and as much as it doesn't, it has to go on. Remember, your telling me this is also stiffling my freedom of expression, hehehe!!
./Ok3ch
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:06 PM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
@Alvin & Okech As long as no rules have been violated wachana na watu wabishane to their hearts content. The thread bores because it was not designed for entertainment. Your sentiments oppose freedom of expression
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2011/11/17 Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com>
Its got boring because there is no sense being put across, just some personal vendetta about this or that. There is no real value added by this discussion if it focuses on what I like and what I don't like!
./Ok3ch
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:55 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote: > > @ Thomas ...it got boring days ago !!
Hey @ Alvin, Thomas.
Gentlemen, this thread may be boring to you because it carries no commerce value nor new ideas for public takes. Kindly let the technologists
do
their thing, there are very few remaining and this is what we are. And when we see threads of commerce value that have little or no interest to many of us, they can be tagged as along similar lines.
Me thots. :-)
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Ahem. Wrong paste. http://images.apple.com/pr/pdf/q411datasum.pdf This would be the correct one. * W.* On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Watchman <skunkingrahim@gmail.com> wrote:
Hmm.. interesting read about Apple.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xL1FdQubPo * W.*
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>wrote:
lol @watchie just saw ur chat :-(
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:17 PM, Watchman <skunkingrahim@gmail.com>wrote:
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On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@James I never said stop (am shocked some people say this is the end of this thread yet they have no right to do so), just said I think it adds no value, and as much as it doesn't, it has to go on. Remember, your telling me this is also stiffling my freedom of expression, hehehe!!
./Ok3ch
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:06 PM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
@Alvin & Okech As long as no rules have been violated wachana na watu wabishane to their hearts content. The thread bores because it was not designed for entertainment. Your sentiments oppose freedom of expression
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2011/11/17 Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com>
Its got boring because there is no sense being put across, just some personal vendetta about this or that. There is no real value added by this discussion if it focuses on what I like and what I don't like!
./Ok3ch
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:55 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng > <ajochola@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> @ Thomas ...it got boring days ago !! > > > Hey @ Alvin, Thomas. > > > Gentlemen, this thread may be boring to you because it carries no > commerce > value nor new ideas for public takes. Kindly let the technologists
do
> their > thing, there are very few remaining and this is what we are. And when we > see > threads of commerce value that have little or no interest to many of us, > they can be tagged as along similar lines. > > Me thots. :-) > > > **Sent from my Microsoft/Intel based computer. Affordable & > reliable computing for Decades** > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------
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:-) On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Watchman <skunkingrahim@gmail.com> wrote:
Ahem. Wrong paste.
http://images.apple.com/pr/pdf/q411datasum.pdf
This would be the correct one. * W.*
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Watchman <skunkingrahim@gmail.com>wrote:
Hmm.. interesting read about Apple.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xL1FdQubPo * W.*
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com
wrote:
lol @watchie just saw ur chat :-(
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:17 PM, Watchman <skunkingrahim@gmail.com>wrote:
We've all had fun at the "Unsubscribe me" threads. Let's leave this one be. Aki's got his point of view. While there may be a lot being said, enjoy it or stop reading it.
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On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com>wrote:
@James I never said stop (am shocked some people say this is the end of this thread yet they have no right to do so), just said I think it adds no value, and as much as it doesn't, it has to go on. Remember, your telling me this is also stiffling my freedom of expression, hehehe!!
./Ok3ch
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:06 PM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
@Alvin & Okech As long as no rules have been violated wachana na watu wabishane to their hearts content. The thread bores because it was not designed for entertainment. Your sentiments oppose freedom of expression
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2011/11/17 Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> > > Its got boring because there is no sense being put across, just some > personal vendetta about this or that. There is no real value added by > this discussion if it focuses on what I like and what I don't like! > > ./Ok3ch > > On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:55 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng > > <ajochola@gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> @ Thomas ...it got boring days ago !! > > > > > > Hey @ Alvin, Thomas. > > > > > > Gentlemen, this thread may be boring to you because it carries no > > commerce > > value nor new ideas for public takes. Kindly let the technologists do > > their > > thing, there are very few remaining and this is what we are. And when we > > see > > threads of commerce value that have little or no interest to many of us, > > they can be tagged as along similar lines. > > > > Me thots. :-) > > > > > > **Sent from my Microsoft/Intel based computer. Affordable & > > reliable computing for Decades** > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Skunkworks mailing list > > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > > ------------ > > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > > ------------ > > > > Skunkworks Rules > > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > > ------------ > > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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:-)
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Watchman <skunkingrahim@gmail.com>wrote:
Ahem. Wrong paste.
http://images.apple.com/pr/pdf/q411datasum.pdf
This would be the correct one. * W.*
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Watchman <skunkingrahim@gmail.com>wrote:
Hmm.. interesting read about Apple.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xL1FdQubPo * W.*
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng < ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
lol @watchie just saw ur chat :-(
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We've all had fun at the "Unsubscribe me" threads. Let's leave this one be. Aki's got his point of view. While there may be a lot being said, enjoy it or stop reading it.
Filter the mail if you want, just leave it be. * W.*
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com>wrote:
@James I never said stop (am shocked some people say this is the end of this thread yet they have no right to do so), just said I think it adds no value, and as much as it doesn't, it has to go on. Remember, your telling me this is also stiffling my freedom of expression, hehehe!!
./Ok3ch
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:06 PM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote: > @Alvin & Okech > As long as no rules have been violated wachana na watu wabishane to their > hearts content. > The thread bores because it was not designed for entertainment. > Your sentiments oppose freedom of expression > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Good judgement comes from Experience. > Most of that comes from Bad Judgement. > _______________________________________________ > > > > 2011/11/17 Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> >> >> Its got boring because there is no sense being put across, just some >> personal vendetta about this or that. There is no real value added by >> this discussion if it focuses on what I like and what I don't like! >> >> ./Ok3ch >> >> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:55 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng >> > <ajochola@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> @ Thomas ...it got boring days ago !! >> > >> > >> > Hey @ Alvin, Thomas. >> > >> > >> > Gentlemen, this thread may be boring to you because it carries no >> > commerce >> > value nor new ideas for public takes. Kindly let the technologists do >> > their >> > thing, there are very few remaining and this is what we are. And when we >> > see >> > threads of commerce value that have little or no interest to many of us, >> > they can be tagged as along similar lines. >> > >> > Me thots. :-) >> > >> > >> > **Sent from my Microsoft/Intel based computer. Affordable & >> > reliable computing for Decades** >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Skunkworks mailing list >> > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> > ------------ >> > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> > ------------ >> > >> > Skunkworks Rules >> > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> > ------------ >> > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------
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@Oketch, point taken that not much was being said by most expect me and a few others. :-) @Alvin, still disagree with you. Some thots, nothing personal : Unfortunately for many in the developing world and is very evident, *technology is just a means to an end i.e commerce whether through sales or services*. The video clip that started this off shows how much passion the creators of the video have for their stuff. This also brings out why our higher education, mentorships and training fails to inspire many to do things beyond their imaginations. This is why we sit comfortably at our desks and our interests are so limited to biashara and politics. :-) Gentlemen, actually I must say I was the one who is very bored by the lack engagement of a proper discussion and was pushing points for you guys to provide engagement and also indepth discussion. The personal attacks are really out of line but what can we do, when the other side is defeated, the best way to take down your opponent is either by stone throwing or malicious attacks. I'm sort of ammune to this as long as I can get that fire breathing in you to push your technology boundaries and do something about things. :-) My apology that am not a diplomat, else would have chosen the correct words. Now enough of the exchanges, until another day. :-) Keep well and Best Rgds.
@ Rahim ...NEXT :-) On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 1:57 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Oketch, point taken that not much was being said by most expect me and a few others. :-)
@Alvin, still disagree with you. Some thots, nothing personal : Unfortunately for many in the developing world and is very evident, technology is just a means to an end i.e commerce whether through sales or services. The video clip that started this off shows how much passion the creators of the video have for their stuff. This also brings out why our higher education, mentorships and training fails to inspire many to do things beyond their imaginations. This is why we sit comfortably at our desks and our interests are so limited to biashara and politics. :-)
Gentlemen, actually I must say I was the one who is very bored by the lack engagement of a proper discussion and was pushing points for you guys to provide engagement and also indepth discussion. The personal attacks are really out of line but what can we do, when the other side is defeated, the best way to take down your opponent is either by stone throwing or malicious attacks. I'm sort of ammune to this as long as I can get that fire breathing in you to push your technology boundaries and do something about things. :-)
My apology that am not a diplomat, else would have chosen the correct words. Now enough of the exchanges, until another day. :-)
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@Aki. Since we're on the matter of closed systems. What's your take on this? http://images.apple.com/pr/pdf/110415samsungcomplaint.pdf On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>wrote:
@ Rahim ...NEXT :-)
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 1:57 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Oketch, point taken that not much was being said by most expect me and a few others. :-)
@Alvin, still disagree with you. Some thots, nothing personal : Unfortunately for many in the developing world and is very evident, technology is just a means to an end i.e commerce whether through sales or services. The video clip that started this off shows how much passion the creators of the video have for their stuff. This also brings out why our higher education, mentorships and training fails to inspire many to do things beyond their imaginations. This is why we sit comfortably at our desks and our interests are so limited to biashara and politics. :-)
Gentlemen, actually I must say I was the one who is very bored by the lack engagement of a proper discussion and was pushing points for you guys to provide engagement and also indepth discussion. The personal attacks are really out of line but what can we do, when the other side is defeated, the best way to take down your opponent is either by stone throwing or malicious attacks. I'm sort of ammune to this as long as I can get that fire breathing in you to push your technology boundaries and do something about things. :-)
My apology that am not a diplomat, else would have chosen the correct words. Now enough of the exchanges, until another day. :-)
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On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Watchman <skunkingrahim@gmail.com> wrote:
@Aki. Since we're on the matter of closed systems. What's your take on this?
@Watchman, thks for the document. :-) First I need to understand where you stand. If you are just using technology as means to an end either for commerce or any other gains, then it would not be possible to discuss further. If you are an Open Source person who is the middle and also using the technology as a means to an end either for commerce or other gains, then again it would be difficult to have. However if you are pure MAC, then it would be worth reading and discussing the IP rights that are in conflict. I can tell you Samsung make a better screen than what is found on the iPhone. The icons that are in dispute nowhere near to the claimed conflicts. I also don't like this use of wording in the first para " Before the iPhone, cell phones were utilitarian devices with key pads for dialing and small, passive display screens that did not allow for touch control.". This is not true, windows smart phones and even the Treo's had touch screen devices for a number of years. Rgds. :-) -- **Sent from my Microsoft/Intel based computer. Affordable & reliable computing for Decades**
@Aki - All I can do is laugh! Still interesting view points :-) ./Ok3ch On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 1:57 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Oketch, point taken that not much was being said by most expect me and a few others. :-)
@Alvin, still disagree with you. Some thots, nothing personal : Unfortunately for many in the developing world and is very evident, technology is just a means to an end i.e commerce whether through sales or services. The video clip that started this off shows how much passion the creators of the video have for their stuff. This also brings out why our higher education, mentorships and training fails to inspire many to do things beyond their imaginations. This is why we sit comfortably at our desks and our interests are so limited to biashara and politics. :-)
Gentlemen, actually I must say I was the one who is very bored by the lack engagement of a proper discussion and was pushing points for you guys to provide engagement and also indepth discussion. The personal attacks are really out of line but what can we do, when the other side is defeated, the best way to take down your opponent is either by stone throwing or malicious attacks. I'm sort of ammune to this as long as I can get that fire breathing in you to push your technology boundaries and do something about things. :-)
My apology that am not a diplomat, else would have chosen the correct words. Now enough of the exchanges, until another day. :-)
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hehe ...true ... On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Aki - All I can do is laugh! Still interesting view points :-)
./Ok3ch
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 1:57 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Oketch, point taken that not much was being said by most expect me and a few others. :-)
@Alvin, still disagree with you. Some thots, nothing personal : Unfortunately for many in the developing world and is very evident, technology is just a means to an end i.e commerce whether through sales or services. The video clip that started this off shows how much passion the creators of the video have for their stuff. This also brings out why our higher education, mentorships and training fails to inspire many to do things beyond their imaginations. This is why we sit comfortably at our desks and our interests are so limited to biashara and politics. :-)
Gentlemen, actually I must say I was the one who is very bored by the lack engagement of a proper discussion and was pushing points for you guys to provide engagement and also indepth discussion. The personal attacks are really out of line but what can we do, when the other side is defeated, the best way to take down your opponent is either by stone throwing or malicious attacks. I'm sort of ammune to this as long as I can get that fire breathing in you to push your technology boundaries and do something about things. :-)
My apology that am not a diplomat, else would have chosen the correct words. Now enough of the exchanges, until another day. :-)
Keep well and Best Rgds.
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On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Aki - All I can do is laugh! Still interesting view points :-)
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@Okech, I"m truly and mentally bored with skunkslist and the tech situation in KE. No offence to the commerce participants as everyone has to make a living, but KE's tech sector is a dump. Been away for months and then nothing! It's the same story over and over. As suggested by @Jared, maybe I need a blog or some tech place where things are far much more interesting. I think this dullness is partly because of product and vendor pushers, and the existing get together systems is just a further extension of such. Wish there was something else interesting online to have a mental buzz on each day that is inspirational. Me thots, over an out. :-) **Sent from my Microsoft/Intel based computer. Affordable & reliable computing for Decades**
@Aki I must say that your discussions in list are some of the small inspirational moments we do have, so just keep up & let it out. Maybe we need to weekly set an agenda on what to discuss while we let the other commercial threads go on. We could all come up with such topics and see how far these goes. There are a lot of mind jogging discussions we have had here in the past and with more participation, we can have more. Have to say you do sometimes kill it off, like the CVT discussion where you first rubbished, like Jeremy Clarkson, my one and only love - The Mitsubishi Pajero, LOL! ./Ok3ch Sent from my very expensive & unaffordable open-source killer iPad - gospel according to Aki On Nov 17, 2011, at 18:33, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote: @Aki - All I can do is laugh! Still interesting view points :-)
./Ok3ch
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@Okech, I"m truly and mentally bored with skunkslist and the tech situation in KE. No offence to the commerce participants as everyone has to make a living, but KE's tech sector is a dump. Been away for months and then nothing! It's the same story over and over. As suggested by @Jared, maybe I need a blog or some tech place where things are far much more interesting. I think this dullness is partly because of product and vendor pushers, and the existing get together systems is just a further extension of such. Wish there was something else interesting online to have a mental buzz on each day that is inspirational.
Me thots, over an out. :-)
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On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Aki I must say that your discussions in list are some of the small inspirational moments we do have, so just keep up & let it out. Maybe we need to weekly set an agenda on what to discuss while we let the other commercial threads go on. We could all come up with such topics and see how far these goes. There are a lot of mind jogging discussions we have had here in the past and with more participation, we can have more. Have to say you do sometimes kill it off, like the CVT discussion where you first rubbished, like Jeremy Clarkson, my one and only love - The Mitsubishi Pajero, LOL!
./Ok3ch
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@Okech, Hahaha, like your new signature but please keep your views as they are important too. :-) Frankly, I dont know what went wrong with KE and the tech sector. But after almost 24 years in the grind, the KE tech sector is in truly a dump ( alias for shit-hole ). Kila mtu ni biashara kwanza, then tech discussions. I recently met a very interesting person who himself is not a technologist but knows more than me about e.g. ZFS filesytems. This guy was like super amazing, not a technologist and technology is not his career but he is a true tech artist. He would easily replace most techs I known over the years. I enjoyed a conversation with him that lasted more than 6 hours, ofcourse with the usual coffee and smokes too. Each day I find it next to impossible to communicate with KE guys on tech issues because we are not sharing our fights for what we believe in, what we want to do and being in a developing country is far more frustrating than many of you know. But KE is home and so we have to work with what we have. For some of us, we don't know what the next step in technology is because we covered almost a lot of the stuff that there is. @Frankline was so right to say that we need to move away from being "users and administrators". Even code is super nice and now taking time patiently to master it for a few more years but hey, where are the people who are passionate about code putting up simple threads that are motivational to many out there. I personally think it over in the KE tech scene, it's at a point of no recovery. The motivation is purely financial gain, not the core that built the systems and engineers. This is our biggest set back. Some final thots. Rgds. -- **Sent from my Microsoft/Intel based computer. Affordable & reliable computing for Decades**
Aki, <thoughts> When Newton "discovered" the Law of Gravity, it is said that he was resting under a tree after mid morning meal when he was hit on the head by an apple (Now debunked here http://physics.about.com/od/classicalmechanics/a/gravity.htm) My point is this: Isaac Newton was sufficiently comfortable (Moneywise) to start thinking about such "issues" The thing i see with .KE tech scene is that as long as they are not comfortable, they will not have time to pursue other ideals. .KE tech is known for being innovative - tweaking tech to suit a need (mobile apps, mpesa, AIDS drug et al) Anything that has gain (financial mostly?) will have most .KE techs interested. </end thoughts> On 11/17/11, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Aki I must say that your discussions in list are some of the small inspirational moments we do have, so just keep up & let it out. Maybe we need to weekly set an agenda on what to discuss while we let the other commercial threads go on. We could all come up with such topics and see how far these goes. There are a lot of mind jogging discussions we have had here in the past and with more participation, we can have more. Have to say you do sometimes kill it off, like the CVT discussion where you first rubbished, like Jeremy Clarkson, my one and only love - The Mitsubishi Pajero, LOL!
./Ok3ch
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@Okech, Hahaha, like your new signature but please keep your views as they are important too. :-)
Frankly, I dont know what went wrong with KE and the tech sector. But after almost 24 years in the grind, the KE tech sector is in truly a dump ( alias for shit-hole ). Kila mtu ni biashara kwanza, then tech discussions. I recently met a very interesting person who himself is not a technologist but knows more than me about e.g. ZFS filesytems. This guy was like super amazing, not a technologist and technology is not his career but he is a true tech artist. He would easily replace most techs I known over the years. I enjoyed a conversation with him that lasted more than 6 hours, ofcourse with the usual coffee and smokes too.
Each day I find it next to impossible to communicate with KE guys on tech issues because we are not sharing our fights for what we believe in, what we want to do and being in a developing country is far more frustrating than many of you know. But KE is home and so we have to work with what we have.
For some of us, we don't know what the next step in technology is because we covered almost a lot of the stuff that there is. @Frankline was so right to say that we need to move away from being "users and administrators". Even code is super nice and now taking time patiently to master it for a few more years but hey, where are the people who are passionate about code putting up simple threads that are motivational to many out there.
I personally think it over in the KE tech scene, it's at a point of no recovery. The motivation is purely financial gain, not the core that built the systems and engineers. This is our biggest set back.
Some final thots.
Rgds.
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@Sam, just some thots. Am not anti-commerce. I think no one in the working class, whether business or not, can ever say they make enough money to sit back, with the cost of living have gone up as it is now. I can understand the commerceusing whatever is available but what I did not understand is that it stopped there. Now I perfectly understand the reason, and a lot is not finance related. For example, over the years I've read great contributions on this list from people who I'd now categorize as FSF purists who I've great admiration for. But surprising these people could have made a decent living for creating and distributing their own versiosn of software that fell under the FSF aims, yet they took the short route out i.e editing someone else's code to further financial gain. And because they need to be able to compete, the only reason for the sales is actually malicious marketing. If you look at the computer hardware market, none of such exists. Actually, I cannot think of any sector worldwide that uses near malicious marketing to gain market share. And also the use of technologists is really another angle that's so different. So a question for you: If your neighbour sells support under the disguise of the free imported products, how would you survive in the same market when you create your own products? Ask an artist this question. Actually it would be nice to hear from real kenyan developers and how they have been affected by such practises. Best Rgds. :-) On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Samuel Wachira <wachirasam@gmail.com>wrote:
Aki, <thoughts> When Newton "discovered" the Law of Gravity, it is said that he was resting under a tree after mid morning meal when he was hit on the head by an apple (Now debunked here http://physics.about.com/od/classicalmechanics/a/gravity.htm)
My point is this: Isaac Newton was sufficiently comfortable (Moneywise) to start thinking about such "issues"
The thing i see with .KE tech scene is that as long as they are not comfortable, they will not have time to pursue other ideals.
.KE tech is known for being innovative - tweaking tech to suit a need (mobile apps, mpesa, AIDS drug et al)
Anything that has gain (financial mostly?) will have most .KE techs interested.
</end thoughts> --
Post #100! _______________________________________________ *Good judgement comes from Experience.* *Most of that comes from Bad Judgement.* _______________________________________________ * * 2011/11/20 aki <aki275@gmail.com>
@Sam, just some thots. Am not anti-commerce. I think no one in the working class, whether business or not, can ever say they make enough money to sit back, with the cost of living have gone up as it is now. I can understand the commerceusing whatever is available but what I did not understand is that it stopped there. Now I perfectly understand the reason, and a lot is not finance related. For example, over the years I've read great contributions on this list from people who I'd now categorize as FSF purists who I've great admiration for. But surprising these people could have made a decent living for creating and distributing their own versiosn of software that fell under the FSF aims, yet they took the short route out i.e editing someone else's code to further financial gain. And because they need to be able to compete, the only reason for the sales is actually malicious marketing. If you look at the computer hardware market, none of such exists. Actually, I cannot think of any sector worldwide that uses near malicious marketing to gain market share. And also the use of technologists is really another angle that's so different.
So a question for you: If your neighbour sells support under the disguise of the free imported products, how would you survive in the same market when you create your own products? Ask an artist this question. Actually it would be nice to hear from real kenyan developers and how they have been affected by such practises.
Best Rgds. :-)
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Samuel Wachira <wachirasam@gmail.com>wrote:
Aki, <thoughts> When Newton "discovered" the Law of Gravity, it is said that he was resting under a tree after mid morning meal when he was hit on the head by an apple (Now debunked here http://physics.about.com/od/classicalmechanics/a/gravity.htm)
My point is this: Isaac Newton was sufficiently comfortable (Moneywise) to start thinking about such "issues"
The thing i see with .KE tech scene is that as long as they are not comfortable, they will not have time to pursue other ideals.
.KE tech is known for being innovative - tweaking tech to suit a need (mobile apps, mpesa, AIDS drug et al)
Anything that has gain (financial mostly?) will have most .KE techs interested.
</end thoughts> --
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Oh bummer James you beat me to it ... I had nothing to say just like you ... ;-) On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 7:27 PM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
Post #100!
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@Sam, just some thots. Am not anti-commerce. I think no one in the working class, whether business or not, can ever say they make enough money to sit back, with the cost of living have gone up as it is now. I can understand the commerceusing whatever is available but what I did not understand is that it stopped there. Now I perfectly understand the reason, and a lot is not finance related. For example, over the years I've read great contributions on this list from people who I'd now categorize as FSF purists who I've great admiration for. But surprising these people could have made a decent living for creating and distributing their own versiosn of software that fell under the FSF aims, yet they took the short route out i.e editing someone else's code to further financial gain. And because they need to be able to compete, the only reason for the sales is actually malicious marketing. If you look at the computer hardware market, none of such exists. Actually, I cannot think of any sector worldwide that uses near malicious marketing to gain market share. And also the use of technologists is really another angle that's so different.
So a question for you: If your neighbour sells support under the disguise of the free imported products, how would you survive in the same market when you create your own products? Ask an artist this question. Actually it would be nice to hear from real kenyan developers and how they have been affected by such practises.
Best Rgds. :-)
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Samuel Wachira <wachirasam@gmail.com>wrote:
Aki, <thoughts> When Newton "discovered" the Law of Gravity, it is said that he was resting under a tree after mid morning meal when he was hit on the head by an apple (Now debunked here http://physics.about.com/od/classicalmechanics/a/gravity.htm)
My point is this: Isaac Newton was sufficiently comfortable (Moneywise) to start thinking about such "issues"
The thing i see with .KE tech scene is that as long as they are not comfortable, they will not have time to pursue other ideals.
.KE tech is known for being innovative - tweaking tech to suit a need (mobile apps, mpesa, AIDS drug et al)
Anything that has gain (financial mostly?) will have most .KE techs interested.
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Post #101 And still on the same thread contrary to https://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=5900 _______________________________________________ *Good judgement comes from Experience.* *Most of that comes from Bad Judgement.* _______________________________________________ * * 2011/11/20 James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com>
Post #100!
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@Sam, just some thots. Am not anti-commerce. I think no one in the working class, whether business or not, can ever say they make enough money to sit back, with the cost of living have gone up as it is now. I can understand the commerceusing whatever is available but what I did not understand is that it stopped there. Now I perfectly understand the reason, and a lot is not finance related. For example, over the years I've read great contributions on this list from people who I'd now categorize as FSF purists who I've great admiration for. But surprising these people could have made a decent living for creating and distributing their own versiosn of software that fell under the FSF aims, yet they took the short route out i.e editing someone else's code to further financial gain. And because they need to be able to compete, the only reason for the sales is actually malicious marketing. If you look at the computer hardware market, none of such exists. Actually, I cannot think of any sector worldwide that uses near malicious marketing to gain market share. And also the use of technologists is really another angle that's so different.
So a question for you: If your neighbour sells support under the disguise of the free imported products, how would you survive in the same market when you create your own products? Ask an artist this question. Actually it would be nice to hear from real kenyan developers and how they have been affected by such practises.
Best Rgds. :-)
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Samuel Wachira <wachirasam@gmail.com>wrote:
Aki, <thoughts> When Newton "discovered" the Law of Gravity, it is said that he was resting under a tree after mid morning meal when he was hit on the head by an apple (Now debunked here http://physics.about.com/od/classicalmechanics/a/gravity.htm)
My point is this: Isaac Newton was sufficiently comfortable (Moneywise) to start thinking about such "issues"
The thing i see with .KE tech scene is that as long as they are not comfortable, they will not have time to pursue other ideals.
.KE tech is known for being innovative - tweaking tech to suit a need (mobile apps, mpesa, AIDS drug et al)
Anything that has gain (financial mostly?) will have most .KE techs interested.
</end thoughts> --
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Scratch that. i thought i could alter that behaviour by changing the title _______________________________________________ *Good judgement comes from Experience.* *Most of that comes from Bad Judgement.* _______________________________________________ * * 2011/11/20 James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com>
Post #101 And still on the same thread contrary to https://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=5900
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Post #100!
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@Sam, just some thots. Am not anti-commerce. I think no one in the working class, whether business or not, can ever say they make enough money to sit back, with the cost of living have gone up as it is now. I can understand the commerceusing whatever is available but what I did not understand is that it stopped there. Now I perfectly understand the reason, and a lot is not finance related. For example, over the years I've read great contributions on this list from people who I'd now categorize as FSF purists who I've great admiration for. But surprising these people could have made a decent living for creating and distributing their own versiosn of software that fell under the FSF aims, yet they took the short route out i.e editing someone else's code to further financial gain. And because they need to be able to compete, the only reason for the sales is actually malicious marketing. If you look at the computer hardware market, none of such exists. Actually, I cannot think of any sector worldwide that uses near malicious marketing to gain market share. And also the use of technologists is really another angle that's so different.
So a question for you: If your neighbour sells support under the disguise of the free imported products, how would you survive in the same market when you create your own products? Ask an artist this question. Actually it would be nice to hear from real kenyan developers and how they have been affected by such practises.
Best Rgds. :-)
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Samuel Wachira <wachirasam@gmail.com>wrote:
Aki, <thoughts> When Newton "discovered" the Law of Gravity, it is said that he was resting under a tree after mid morning meal when he was hit on the head by an apple (Now debunked here http://physics.about.com/od/classicalmechanics/a/gravity.htm)
My point is this: Isaac Newton was sufficiently comfortable (Moneywise) to start thinking about such "issues"
The thing i see with .KE tech scene is that as long as they are not comfortable, they will not have time to pursue other ideals.
.KE tech is known for being innovative - tweaking tech to suit a need (mobile apps, mpesa, AIDS drug et al)
Anything that has gain (financial mostly?) will have most .KE techs interested.
</end thoughts> --
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Post #101 Yipee!!! On 11/20/11, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
Post #100!
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@Sam, just some thots. Am not anti-commerce. I think no one in the working class, whether business or not, can ever say they make enough money to sit back, with the cost of living have gone up as it is now. I can understand the commerceusing whatever is available but what I did not understand is that it stopped there. Now I perfectly understand the reason, and a lot is not finance related. For example, over the years I've read great contributions on this list from people who I'd now categorize as FSF purists who I've great admiration for. But surprising these people could have made a decent living for creating and distributing their own versiosn of software that fell under the FSF aims, yet they took the short route out i.e editing someone else's code to further financial gain. And because they need to be able to compete, the only reason for the sales is actually malicious marketing. If you look at the computer hardware market, none of such exists. Actually, I cannot think of any sector worldwide that uses near malicious marketing to gain market share. And also the use of technologists is really another angle that's so different.
So a question for you: If your neighbour sells support under the disguise of the free imported products, how would you survive in the same market when you create your own products? Ask an artist this question. Actually it would be nice to hear from real kenyan developers and how they have been affected by such practises.
Best Rgds. :-)
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Samuel Wachira <wachirasam@gmail.com>wrote:
Aki, <thoughts> When Newton "discovered" the Law of Gravity, it is said that he was resting under a tree after mid morning meal when he was hit on the head by an apple (Now debunked here http://physics.about.com/od/classicalmechanics/a/gravity.htm)
My point is this: Isaac Newton was sufficiently comfortable (Moneywise) to start thinking about such "issues"
The thing i see with .KE tech scene is that as long as they are not comfortable, they will not have time to pursue other ideals.
.KE tech is known for being innovative - tweaking tech to suit a need (mobile apps, mpesa, AIDS drug et al)
Anything that has gain (financial mostly?) will have most .KE techs interested.
</end thoughts> --
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Damn Nzomo...how did you do that...lol I really wanted to be the first to break the thread at 101...:-( On 11/21/11, Timothy Mutugi <timothymutugi@gmail.com> wrote:
Post #101
Yipee!!!
On 11/20/11, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
Post #100!
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@Sam, just some thots. Am not anti-commerce. I think no one in the working class, whether business or not, can ever say they make enough money to sit back, with the cost of living have gone up as it is now. I can understand the commerceusing whatever is available but what I did not understand is that it stopped there. Now I perfectly understand the reason, and a lot is not finance related. For example, over the years I've read great contributions on this list from people who I'd now categorize as FSF purists who I've great admiration for. But surprising these people could have made a decent living for creating and distributing their own versiosn of software that fell under the FSF aims, yet they took the short route out i.e editing someone else's code to further financial gain. And because they need to be able to compete, the only reason for the sales is actually malicious marketing. If you look at the computer hardware market, none of such exists. Actually, I cannot think of any sector worldwide that uses near malicious marketing to gain market share. And also the use of technologists is really another angle that's so different.
So a question for you: If your neighbour sells support under the disguise of the free imported products, how would you survive in the same market when you create your own products? Ask an artist this question. Actually it would be nice to hear from real kenyan developers and how they have been affected by such practises.
Best Rgds. :-)
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Samuel Wachira <wachirasam@gmail.com>wrote:
Aki, <thoughts> When Newton "discovered" the Law of Gravity, it is said that he was resting under a tree after mid morning meal when he was hit on the head by an apple (Now debunked here http://physics.about.com/od/classicalmechanics/a/gravity.htm)
My point is this: Isaac Newton was sufficiently comfortable (Moneywise) to start thinking about such "issues"
The thing i see with .KE tech scene is that as long as they are not comfortable, they will not have time to pursue other ideals.
.KE tech is known for being innovative - tweaking tech to suit a need (mobile apps, mpesa, AIDS drug et al)
Anything that has gain (financial mostly?) will have most .KE techs interested.
</end thoughts> --
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@timothy not according to this<http://www.kenyanpatriot.com/i-am-a-maci-am-pc/comment-page-3#comment-11499> On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 4:27 AM, Timothy Mutugi <timothymutugi@gmail.com> wrote:
Post #101
Yipee!!!
On 11/20/11, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
Post #100!
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2011/11/20 aki <aki275@gmail.com>
@Sam, just some thots. Am not anti-commerce. I think no one in the working class, whether business or not, can ever say they make enough money to sit back, with the cost of living have gone up as it is now. I can understand the commerceusing whatever is available but what I did not understand is that it stopped there. Now I perfectly understand the reason, and a lot is not finance related. For example, over the years I've read great contributions on this list from people who I'd now categorize as FSF purists who I've great admiration for. But surprising these people could have made a decent living for creating and distributing their own versiosn of software that fell under the FSF aims, yet they took the short route out i.e editing someone else's code to further financial gain. And because they need to be able to compete, the only reason for the sales is actually malicious marketing. If you look at the computer hardware market, none of such exists. Actually, I cannot think of any sector worldwide that uses near malicious marketing to gain market share. And also the use of technologists is really another angle that's so different.
So a question for you: If your neighbour sells support under the disguise of the free imported products, how would you survive in the same market when you create your own products? Ask an artist this question. Actually it would be nice to hear from real kenyan developers and how they have been affected by such practises.
Best Rgds. :-)
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Samuel Wachira <wachirasam@gmail.com>wrote:
Aki, <thoughts> When Newton "discovered" the Law of Gravity, it is said that he was resting under a tree after mid morning meal when he was hit on the head by an apple (Now debunked here http://physics.about.com/od/classicalmechanics/a/gravity.htm)
My point is this: Isaac Newton was sufficiently comfortable (Moneywise) to start thinking about such "issues"
The thing i see with .KE tech scene is that as long as they are not comfortable, they will not have time to pursue other ideals.
.KE tech is known for being innovative - tweaking tech to suit a need (mobile apps, mpesa, AIDS drug et al)
Anything that has gain (financial mostly?) will have most .KE techs interested.
</end thoughts> --
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@Brainiac By posting that link, you have opened a portal to parallel skunkworks universe. _______________________________________________ *Good judgement comes from Experience.* *Most of that comes from Bad Judgement.* _______________________________________________ * * 2011/11/21 [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>
@timothy not according to this<http://www.kenyanpatriot.com/i-am-a-maci-am-pc/comment-page-3#comment-11499>
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 4:27 AM, Timothy Mutugi <timothymutugi@gmail.com> wrote:
Post #101
Yipee!!!
On 11/20/11, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
Post #100!
_______________________________________________
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2011/11/20 aki <aki275@gmail.com>
@Sam, just some thots. Am not anti-commerce. I think no one in the working class, whether business or not, can ever say they make enough money to sit back, with the cost of living have gone up as it is now. I can understand the commerceusing whatever is available but what I did not understand is that it stopped there. Now I perfectly understand the reason, and a lot is not finance related. For example, over the years I've read great contributions on this list from people who I'd now categorize as FSF purists who I've great admiration for. But surprising these people could have made a decent living for creating and distributing their own versiosn of software that fell under the FSF aims, yet they took the short route out i.e editing someone else's code to further financial gain. And because they need to be able to compete, the only reason for the sales is actually malicious marketing. If you look at the computer hardware market, none of such exists. Actually, I cannot think of any sector worldwide that uses near malicious marketing to gain market share. And also the use of technologists is really another angle that's so different.
So a question for you: If your neighbour sells support under the disguise of the free imported products, how would you survive in the same market when you create your own products? Ask an artist this question. Actually it would be nice to hear from real kenyan developers and how they have been affected by such practises.
Best Rgds. :-)
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Samuel Wachira <wachirasam@gmail.com>wrote:
Aki, <thoughts> When Newton "discovered" the Law of Gravity, it is said that he was resting under a tree after mid morning meal when he was hit on the head by an apple (Now debunked here http://physics.about.com/od/classicalmechanics/a/gravity.htm)
My point is this: Isaac Newton was sufficiently comfortable (Moneywise) to start thinking about such "issues"
The thing i see with .KE tech scene is that as long as they are not comfortable, they will not have time to pursue other ideals.
.KE tech is known for being innovative - tweaking tech to suit a need (mobile apps, mpesa, AIDS drug et al)
Anything that has gain (financial mostly?) will have most .KE techs interested.
</end thoughts> --
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hahahaha, @james you complete the list of top ten noisemakers overall (129 comments) ... (pun intended) only beaten by one aki (159 comments) @dennis kioko (165 comments) and the overall winner @wash => though i suspect his count is rigged... On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 7:39 PM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
@Brainiac By posting that link, you have opened a portal to parallel skunkworks universe.
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@timothy not according to this<http://www.kenyanpatriot.com/i-am-a-maci-am-pc/comment-page-3#comment-11499>
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 4:27 AM, Timothy Mutugi <timothymutugi@gmail.com> wrote:
Post #101
Yipee!!!
On 11/20/11, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
Post #100!
_______________________________________________
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*
2011/11/20 aki <aki275@gmail.com>
@Sam, just some thots. Am not anti-commerce. I think no one in the working class, whether business or not, can ever say they make enough money to sit back, with the cost of living have gone up as it is now. I can understand the commerceusing whatever is available but what I did not understand is that it stopped there. Now I perfectly understand the reason, and a lot is not finance related. For example, over the years I've read great contributions on this list from people who I'd now categorize as FSF purists who I've great admiration for. But surprising these people could have made a decent living for creating and distributing their own versiosn of software that fell under the FSF aims, yet they took the short route out i.e editing someone else's code to further financial gain. And because they need to be able to compete, the only reason for the sales is actually malicious marketing. If you look at the computer hardware market, none of such exists. Actually, I cannot think of any sector worldwide that uses near malicious marketing to gain market share. And also the use of technologists is really another angle that's so different.
So a question for you: If your neighbour sells support under the disguise of the free imported products, how would you survive in the same market when you create your own products? Ask an artist this question. Actually it would be nice to hear from real kenyan developers and how they have been affected by such practises.
Best Rgds. :-)
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Samuel Wachira <wachirasam@gmail.com>wrote:
Aki, <thoughts> When Newton "discovered" the Law of Gravity, it is said that he was resting under a tree after mid morning meal when he was hit on the head by an apple (Now debunked here http://physics.about.com/od/classicalmechanics/a/gravity.htm)
My point is this: Isaac Newton was sufficiently comfortable (Moneywise) to start thinking about such "issues"
The thing i see with .KE tech scene is that as long as they are not comfortable, they will not have time to pursue other ideals.
.KE tech is known for being innovative - tweaking tech to suit a need (mobile apps, mpesa, AIDS drug et al)
Anything that has gain (financial mostly?) will have most .KE techs interested.
</end thoughts> --
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Sincerely,I can't possibly have more comments than Aki, I demand to see your source code! -- with Regards: blog.denniskioko.com <http://www.denniskioko.com/>
he he he he, for a moment i thought you would demand for a recount. :-) On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Sincerely,I can't possibly have more comments than Aki, I demand to see your source code!
-- with Regards:
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@Brainiac You mean I managed to score all that without any effort? That means if I had as much energy as aki I would have inadvertently DDoS'd the living daylights out of every Skunkworks server. Are those stats on the parallel skunkworks? _______________________________________________ *Good judgement comes from Experience.* *Most of that comes from Bad Judgement.* _______________________________________________ * * 2011/11/22 [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>
he he he he, for a moment i thought you would demand for a recount. :-)
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Sincerely,I can't possibly have more comments than Aki, I demand to see your source code!
-- with Regards:
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~ Alex Carey ~
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And to stoke the fire just a bit more: Six Reasons Why Windows is Better Than OS X: http://bit.ly/sYfgMY On 11/20/11, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
Post #100!
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2011/11/20 aki <aki275@gmail.com>
@Sam, just some thots. Am not anti-commerce. I think no one in the working class, whether business or not, can ever say they make enough money to sit back, with the cost of living have gone up as it is now. I can understand the commerceusing whatever is available but what I did not understand is that it stopped there. Now I perfectly understand the reason, and a lot is not finance related. For example, over the years I've read great contributions on this list from people who I'd now categorize as FSF purists who I've great admiration for. But surprising these people could have made a decent living for creating and distributing their own versiosn of software that fell under the FSF aims, yet they took the short route out i.e editing someone else's code to further financial gain. And because they need to be able to compete, the only reason for the sales is actually malicious marketing. If you look at the computer hardware market, none of such exists. Actually, I cannot think of any sector worldwide that uses near malicious marketing to gain market share. And also the use of technologists is really another angle that's so different.
So a question for you: If your neighbour sells support under the disguise of the free imported products, how would you survive in the same market when you create your own products? Ask an artist this question. Actually it would be nice to hear from real kenyan developers and how they have been affected by such practises.
Best Rgds. :-)
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Samuel Wachira <wachirasam@gmail.com>wrote:
Aki, <thoughts> When Newton "discovered" the Law of Gravity, it is said that he was resting under a tree after mid morning meal when he was hit on the head by an apple (Now debunked here http://physics.about.com/od/classicalmechanics/a/gravity.htm)
My point is this: Isaac Newton was sufficiently comfortable (Moneywise) to start thinking about such "issues"
The thing i see with .KE tech scene is that as long as they are not comfortable, they will not have time to pursue other ideals.
.KE tech is known for being innovative - tweaking tech to suit a need (mobile apps, mpesa, AIDS drug et al)
Anything that has gain (financial mostly?) will have most .KE techs interested.
</end thoughts> --
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Good for you, please go on using windows and dont bother bragging about it (pun intended) ./Ok3ch On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 9:10 AM, William Warero <wwarero@gmail.com> wrote:
And to stoke the fire just a bit more: Six Reasons Why Windows is Better Than OS X:
On 11/20/11, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
Post #100!
_______________________________________________
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*
2011/11/20 aki <aki275@gmail.com>
@Sam, just some thots. Am not anti-commerce. I think no one in the working class, whether business or not, can ever say they make enough money to sit back, with the cost of living have gone up as it is now. I can understand the commerceusing whatever is available but what I did not understand is that it stopped there. Now I perfectly understand the reason, and a lot is not finance related. For example, over the years I've read great contributions on this list from people who I'd now categorize as FSF purists who I've great admiration for. But surprising these people could have made a decent living for creating and distributing their own versiosn of software that fell under the FSF aims, yet they took the short route out i.e editing someone else's code to further financial gain. And because they need to be able to compete, the only reason for the sales is actually malicious marketing. If you look at the computer hardware market, none of such exists. Actually, I cannot think of any sector worldwide that uses near malicious marketing to gain market share. And also the use of technologists is really another angle that's so different.
So a question for you: If your neighbour sells support under the disguise of the free imported products, how would you survive in the same market when you create your own products? Ask an artist this question. Actually it would be nice to hear from real kenyan developers and how they have been affected by such practises.
Best Rgds. :-)
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Samuel Wachira <wachirasam@gmail.com>wrote:
Aki, <thoughts> When Newton "discovered" the Law of Gravity, it is said that he was resting under a tree after mid morning meal when he was hit on the head by an apple (Now debunked here http://physics.about.com/od/classicalmechanics/a/gravity.htm)
My point is this: Isaac Newton was sufficiently comfortable (Moneywise) to start thinking about such "issues"
The thing i see with .KE tech scene is that as long as they are not comfortable, they will not have time to pursue other ideals.
.KE tech is known for being innovative - tweaking tech to suit a need (mobile apps, mpesa, AIDS drug et al)
Anything that has gain (financial mostly?) will have most .KE techs interested.
</end thoughts> --
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On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 9:10 AM, William Warero <wwarero@gmail.com> wrote:
And to stoke the fire just a bit more: Six Reasons Why Windows is Better Than OS X:
if you leave gaming out this could be 5 reasons why linux is better then windows :-D
William You actually said this out loud?? On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 9:10 AM, William Warero <wwarero@gmail.com> wrote:
And to stoke the fire just a bit more: Six Reasons Why Windows is Better Than OS X:
On 11/20/11, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
Post #100!
_______________________________________________
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*
2011/11/20 aki <aki275@gmail.com>
@Sam, just some thots. Am not anti-commerce. I think no one in the working class, whether business or not, can ever say they make enough money to sit back, with the cost of living have gone up as it is now. I can understand the commerceusing whatever is available but what I did not understand is that it stopped there. Now I perfectly understand the reason, and a lot is not finance related. For example, over the years I've read great contributions on this list from people who I'd now categorize as FSF purists who I've great admiration for. But surprising these people could have made a decent living for creating and distributing their own versiosn of software that fell under the FSF aims, yet they took the short route out i.e editing someone else's code to further financial gain. And because they need to be able to compete, the only reason for the sales is actually malicious marketing. If you look at the computer hardware market, none of such exists. Actually, I cannot think of any sector worldwide that uses near malicious marketing to gain market share. And also the use of technologists is really another angle that's so different.
So a question for you: If your neighbour sells support under the disguise of the free imported products, how would you survive in the same market when you create your own products? Ask an artist this question. Actually it would be nice to hear from real kenyan developers and how they have been affected by such practises.
Best Rgds. :-)
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Samuel Wachira <wachirasam@gmail.com>wrote:
Aki, <thoughts> When Newton "discovered" the Law of Gravity, it is said that he was resting under a tree after mid morning meal when he was hit on the head by an apple (Now debunked here http://physics.about.com/od/classicalmechanics/a/gravity.htm)
My point is this: Isaac Newton was sufficiently comfortable (Moneywise) to start thinking about such "issues"
The thing i see with .KE tech scene is that as long as they are not comfortable, they will not have time to pursue other ideals.
.KE tech is known for being innovative - tweaking tech to suit a need (mobile apps, mpesa, AIDS drug et al)
Anything that has gain (financial mostly?) will have most .KE techs interested.
</end thoughts> --
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Post #100! _______________________________________________ *Good judgement comes from Experience.* *Most of that comes from Bad Judgement.* _______________________________________________ * * 2011/11/20 aki <aki275@gmail.com>
@Sam, just some thots. Am not anti-commerce. I think no one in the working class, whether business or not, can ever say they make enough money to sit back, with the cost of living have gone up as it is now. I can understand the commerceusing whatever is available but what I did not understand is that it stopped there. Now I perfectly understand the reason, and a lot is not finance related. For example, over the years I've read great contributions on this list from people who I'd now categorize as FSF purists who I've great admiration for. But surprising these people could have made a decent living for creating and distributing their own versiosn of software that fell under the FSF aims, yet they took the short route out i.e editing someone else's code to further financial gain. And because they need to be able to compete, the only reason for the sales is actually malicious marketing. If you look at the computer hardware market, none of such exists. Actually, I cannot think of any sector worldwide that uses near malicious marketing to gain market share. And also the use of technologists is really another angle that's so different.
So a question for you: If your neighbour sells support under the disguise of the free imported products, how would you survive in the same market when you create your own products? Ask an artist this question. Actually it would be nice to hear from real kenyan developers and how they have been affected by such practises.
Best Rgds. :-)
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Samuel Wachira <wachirasam@gmail.com>wrote:
Aki, <thoughts> When Newton "discovered" the Law of Gravity, it is said that he was resting under a tree after mid morning meal when he was hit on the head by an apple (Now debunked here http://physics.about.com/od/classicalmechanics/a/gravity.htm)
My point is this: Isaac Newton was sufficiently comfortable (Moneywise) to start thinking about such "issues"
The thing i see with .KE tech scene is that as long as they are not comfortable, they will not have time to pursue other ideals.
.KE tech is known for being innovative - tweaking tech to suit a need (mobile apps, mpesa, AIDS drug et al)
Anything that has gain (financial mostly?) will have most .KE techs interested.
</end thoughts> --
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touché!!![?] But sadly tho if you had posted first, you still wouldn't have made 100 coz your mail client appended "Re:" to the title resulting in your message being displayed as post #1 on a new thread. You might want to look into that. _______________________________________________ *Good judgement comes from Experience.* *Most of that comes from Bad Judgement.* _______________________________________________ * * 2011/11/20 James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com>
Post #100!
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2011/11/20 aki <aki275@gmail.com>
@Sam, just some thots. Am not anti-commerce. I think no one in the working class, whether business or not, can ever say they make enough money to sit back, with the cost of living have gone up as it is now. I can understand the commerceusing whatever is available but what I did not understand is that it stopped there. Now I perfectly understand the reason, and a lot is not finance related. For example, over the years I've read great contributions on this list from people who I'd now categorize as FSF purists who I've great admiration for. But surprising these people could have made a decent living for creating and distributing their own versiosn of software that fell under the FSF aims, yet they took the short route out i.e editing someone else's code to further financial gain. And because they need to be able to compete, the only reason for the sales is actually malicious marketing. If you look at the computer hardware market, none of such exists. Actually, I cannot think of any sector worldwide that uses near malicious marketing to gain market share. And also the use of technologists is really another angle that's so different.
So a question for you: If your neighbour sells support under the disguise of the free imported products, how would you survive in the same market when you create your own products? Ask an artist this question. Actually it would be nice to hear from real kenyan developers and how they have been affected by such practises.
Best Rgds. :-)
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Samuel Wachira <wachirasam@gmail.com>wrote:
Aki, <thoughts> When Newton "discovered" the Law of Gravity, it is said that he was resting under a tree after mid morning meal when he was hit on the head by an apple (Now debunked here http://physics.about.com/od/classicalmechanics/a/gravity.htm)
My point is this: Isaac Newton was sufficiently comfortable (Moneywise) to start thinking about such "issues"
The thing i see with .KE tech scene is that as long as they are not comfortable, they will not have time to pursue other ideals.
.KE tech is known for being innovative - tweaking tech to suit a need (mobile apps, mpesa, AIDS drug et al)
Anything that has gain (financial mostly?) will have most .KE techs interested.
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On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 8:49 PM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
But sadly tho if you had posted first, you still wouldn't have made 100 coz your mail client appended "Re:" to the title resulting in your message being displayed as post #1 on a new thread. You might want to look into that.
Apparently, Gmail automatically does this for threads longer than 100 messages: <https://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=5900>. Joseph.
@Rad And there were complaints about Apple failing to commit back complete changes to the KDE team. lol.....There was even a point when Apple demanded developers to* sign nondisclosure agreements** before looking at the code they were to commit back to the opensource project* @Marto You still want to talk about ripoff? _______________________________________________ *Good judgement comes from Experience.* *Most of that comes from Bad Judgement.* _______________________________________________ * * 2011/11/16 James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com>
@Martin How did you bring Linux into our discussion? Dont stray. Read my post again. Here is your claim about majority core BSD devs being apple devs:- 'The reason why Apple / Mac looks like "90%*FOSS rip-off", most of the core FreeBSD committers are also Apple developers' You are now being a politician.
@Rad Webkit is apple's own opensource project. It was forked from KHTML of the KDE project. And even currently google is the biggest contributor to webkit
2011/11/16, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com>:
Apple also contributes Webkit
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote:
Once again James, I disagree, sorry. If your idea of Open Source is Linux only then your view is skewed. Apple actually contributes back to *BSD, but simply because their code-bases / APIs are different from Linux, the contributions never reach Everyone.
One of the core FreeBSD developers here [ http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-chat/2004-July/002494.html ] is quoted as saying, "Apple makes extensive use of open source for lower level operating system frameworks, application services, etc, and participates actively in many of the open source communities associated with those projects.".
Also, I did not say a *majority of FreeBSD* developers are from Apple. I actually said *a number of key committers* of FreeBSD. Committers are the only ones who push changes to the main software repository. They number around 200, that means that Apple devs are much less, so my claims might actually be reasonable.
Martin.
On 11/16/11, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
@Martin The ripoff bit comes when they take open source (which was free) close it, add alittle of their own stuff that makes it less secure than anything else and flog it ...doesnt matter what price. Ontop of that compared to what they rip, they contribute very little back to open until pressure mounts on them
2011/11/16, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com>:
@ Martin I read that article some time ago. Dont think you're showing me anything new
That article mentions quite afew - not majority - of apple devs....and thats only for the FreeBSD project. How you translated that to majority...i don't know
There are 4 other BSD projects that apple hardly derives from. But if you are realy interested in the dev's stats, each project provides a list of developers and some bg info on each. Find them, read them then we will be on the same wavelength for a productive argument.
2011/11/16, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>:
@James, you might want to have a look at the links I posted earlier. I understand your cognitive dissonance. The link from I.B.M has a part that says " ...... But there is considerable overlap between FreeBSD and Darwin development, and quite a few FreeBSD developers are Apple employees."
I think that a number of key FreeBSD committers are Mac OS X developers simply because Apple hired them due to their operating systems' close ancestry. One of the guys is John Hubbard. Check this out [
http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/FreeBSD_Delay_Mac_OS_X_TMO_Speaks_Wit...
]
Once again, please open the links I sent and read the pages, I might be wrong :)
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On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 3:53 PM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
@Martin The ripoff bit comes when they take open source (which was free) close it, add alittle of their own stuff that makes it less secure than anything else and flog it ...doesnt matter what price. Ontop of that compared to what they rip, they contribute very little back to open until pressure mounts on them
James, you may have a "moral" argument. However, the permissive nature of the FreeBsd license gives anyone (including apple) the right to modify and include code in proprietary software. IBM does similar stuff with the Apache license (though their contribution blow-back is more pro-active )
I think the issue comes down to the ad trying to compare Apples to Oranges. pcs and macs are simply differant products designed for differant needs but are competing in the same markets. You generally get what you pay for so take your pick. With apple products you pay more for "safety" of not having to fiddle with drivers and hardware issues because apple has made the decisions for you to a certain extent and the kind of decisions you have is how much memory you need and whether you want it in black or white. this is just perfect for people who don't want to be bothered with too many technical details. Then there is also the image factor, for some reason having a macbook, iphone or ipad will look "better" than having a similarly specd gadget from china. same way that driving a showroom benz just looks better that a toyota. For PC its about variety and supporting any configuration depending on your needs which can be a very confusing affair for the uninformed. And even then there are the m$ products and there is the open source stuff. with M$ being similar in some ways to apple products in terms of being configured and easier to use out of the box(buying hardware with m$ installed) and all. So I don't think its fair to bash apple for their products but I also think apple can be smarter in their marketing and not have to try bashing pcs. Its like the Java bashing Tea Room for the kind of tea they make. "Hi, I am Java, I dont just make Tea I make coffee too, I have comfortable seating in a nice quiet environment not like those people down in tea room who make tea next to noisy matatus....", my thots. On 16 November 2011 13:26, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Aki your arguments about installing MacOS on other hardware are deeply and fundamentally flawed.
Apple have never promised you MacOS can run on any hardware.
Why do you insist? You are behaving as if you were conned in some way. Why?
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@Ashok, Even in Telco sectors, cozy arrangements between business and technologies calculated at masses leads to affordability. Today's hardware is not shipped with M$ as the default OS, you can install your OS of choice. On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 8:58 AM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info> wrote:
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 8:56 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Rad, toboa if you want. So far I've just listed a few general comparions but ONE I'd like you to start with is affordable computing. :-)
Its a joke if you claim microsoft somehow brought affordability. Entering into a cozy arrangement with hardware manufacturers such that the consumer is forced to buy windows when they may just want to buy hardware is improving affordablity ??! ...heh heh ... thats pretty rich ! _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------
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On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:09 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Today's hardware is not shipped with M$ as the default OS, you can install your OS of choice.
Really ? i just looked around for various quotes for desktops ; and also bought a laptop recently ... except for some low end models it was well nigh impossible to find one without windows.
You see @Ashok, the problem with you open source guys is that you are all commercial benefactors of the same system you allege to oppose. Then my question is, Open Source is BIG business these days, why not have a cozy arrangement with say Intel. Am certain Intel is looking at hardware numbers, why not your own platforms. Why just free software? Even on high end machines, you can get RHEL. Opps, is RHEL not a commerce too? :-) On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:19 AM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info> wrote:
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:09 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Today's hardware is not shipped with M$ as the default OS, you can install your OS of choice.
Really ? i just looked around for various quotes for desktops ; and also bought a laptop recently ... except for some low end models it was well nigh impossible to find one without windows.
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Gentlemen, so far no one has commented on this. I'll re-paste: "- Somewhere in the clip, MAC proudly says "you can run windows and mac on a single machine". Very anti-competitve behaviour which infringes on consumer rights, why can a PC not run MAC OS even in today''s times? Could it be because it's never been opened up and made available for immediate installation? Then why the idiotic and amatuer comparison? "
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:30 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Gentlemen, so far no one has commented on this. I'll re-paste:
Its a "cozy arrangement" - you should be the last person to complain about those eh ;-)
"- Somewhere in the clip, MAC proudly says "you can run windows and mac on a single machine". Very anti-competitve behaviour which infringes on consumer rights, why can a PC not run MAC OS even in today''s times? Could it be because it's never been opened up and made available for immediate installation? Then why the idiotic and amatuer comparison? "
@Ashok, get lively man! :-)) Yes I want to install MAC OS on my PC netwbook. When will Microsoft take MAC on and make it available? On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:33 AM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info> wrote:
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:30 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Gentlemen, so far no one has commented on this. I'll re-paste:
Its a "cozy arrangement" - you should be the last person to complain about those eh ;-)
"- Somewhere in the clip, MAC proudly says "you can run windows and mac on a single machine". Very anti-competitve behaviour which infringes on consumer rights, why can a PC not run MAC OS even in today''s times? Could it be because it's never been opened up and made available for immediate installation? Then why the idiotic and amatuer comparison? "
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:37 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Ashok, get lively man! :-))
Yes I want to install MAC OS on my PC netwbook. When will Microsoft take MAC on and make it available?
Ever tried installing windows on a ARM processor notebook ? theres your broken toy right there ...
@Ashok, Dell came up with an ARM processor notebook that runs Windows 7, in early 2009 I think. Corrections welcome. :-) On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:50 AM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info> wrote:
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@Ashok, get lively man! :-))
Yes I want to install MAC OS on my PC netwbook. When will Microsoft take MAC on and make it available?
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@Ashok,
Dell came up with an ARM processor notebook that runs Windows 7, in early 2009 I think. Corrections welcome. :-)
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On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:37 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Ashok, get lively man! :-))
Yes I want to install MAC OS on my PC netwbook. When will Microsoft take MAC on and make it available?
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@Aki - Some of us can afford MAC's and all Apple products by choice, and we are not corrupt & economic thieves, so your first point is out of order! Thats the reason I didn't go beyond it and try see sense in your other points. ./Ok3ch On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 8:54 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
There are soapy things wrong with your arguments I am stunned.
I have rto ask. Boss, did someone a Apple kill your puppy?
On Wednesday, November 16, 2011, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@David, these guys are a bunch of annoying idiots. Here's why: :-)
- If you need affordable computing = PC and M$ market. ( And your Open Source too, if you can get it to work well )
- Had MAC been left to bring the power of computers to the world's masses, only the corrupt and economic thieves would afford such machines leaving out entire populations. M$ and PC platforms brought the affordability to everyone's home. MAC would have been responsible for creating entire computer iliterate populations across the world, computer literacy would have been post-WW2 days.
- Somewhere in the clip, MAC proudly says "you can run windows and mac on a single machine". Very anti-competitve behaviour which infringes on consumer rights, why can a PC not run MAC OS even in today''s times? Could it be because it's never been opened up and made available for immediate installation? Then why the idiotic and amatuer comparison?
- I've been running a QuadCore, 8GB Ram PC-Laptop form factor for almost 2 years now. MAC not even close to releasing this platform until early last year.
- iTunes, iMovies : 'No one gives a second thought on these systems when Africa cannot even access them effectively. MAC speaks for its motherland i.e USA, while PC/M$ speaks Globally. NO restrictions whatsoever. Have any African artists made it to iTunes or have any African Movies made it to iMovies?
- The Virus joke is a bit too over-rated and frankly a kiddish argument. When actual data reserach is done, these software exploits are big business for some of the countries which are leading the creation of such scripts to create their own industries. I can go on record that I've been using M$ Windows since its first OS, never have any of my PC/Laptops ever suffered from crashes and the likes. Only computer amatuers and wanna-bees get entangled in the ignorance of such. MAÇ OS exploits exist but not commercial gains as yet.
- MAC creates a website out of the box? Really, running what?
- Movie making? Really? We should ask MAC owners who are being forced to PURCHASE FINAL CUT PRO at very steep USD prices.
IMO, MAC and PC are not even comparison worthy. MAC is simple a vendor specific device that you cannot do anything much with so it should not even be compared in such segments. PC & M$ opens up an entire range of options that allow you to tailor make your specific needs. From affordability right out of the box to reliability and choices.
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@Oketch, sometime I wonder how many on this list understand the history of the computer world. A few years ago, YES, one would have to be a corrupt or economic thief to afford MACs because prices were too steep. Even DTP companies would share such machines rather than give all staff. These days, just because the Middle Income sectors have grown, means there is more buying power. However, Samsung today produces a Solar powered PC/M$ based netbook right out of the box under Ksh 25,000/-? ( correction needed) while MAC on the same platform is not less than KSH 60,000/-. So why would MAC pretend to be compared on the same level as a PC/M$ level? Hakuna, MAC is still a closed device that claims to be compared in the computer market. Me thots. :-) On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Aki - Some of us can afford MAC's and all Apple products by choice, and we are not corrupt & economic thieves, so your first point is out of order! Thats the reason I didn't go beyond it and try see sense in your other points.
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On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:18 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Oketch, sometime I wonder how many on this list understand the history of the computer world. A few years ago, YES, one would have to be a corrupt or economic thief to afford MACs because prices were too steep. Even DTP companies would share such machines rather than give all staff. These days, just because the Middle Income sectors have grown, means there is more buying power. However, Samsung today produces a Solar powered PC/M$ based netbook right out of the box under Ksh 25,000/-? ( correction needed) while MAC on the same platform is not less than KSH 60,000/-.
Thing is, the Mac was never designed for people in lower income countries... Our pricing in Africa is actually higher than in the US... If your income is on average 45,000 USD per capita, a MacBook is not too expensive. -- Warm Regards, Phares Kaboro Kariuki
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:18 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Oketch, sometime I wonder how many on this list understand the history of the computer world. A few years ago, YES, one would have to be a corrupt or economic thief to afford MACs because prices were too steep. Even DTP companies would share such machines rather than give all staff. These days, just because the Middle Income sectors have grown, means there is more buying power. However, Samsung today produces a Solar powered PC/M$ based netbook right out of the box under Ksh 25,000/-? ( correction needed) while MAC on the same platform is not less than KSH 60,000/-.
Thing is, the Mac was never designed for people in lower income countries... Our pricing in Africa is actually higher than in the US... If your income is on average 45,000 USD per capita, a MacBook is not too expensive.
@Phares, I tend to disgaree with you on this point "the Mac was never designed for people in lower income countries". Was it then designed for the large middle income sector in the USA? So why would anyone even want to compare MAC and PC on the same level? On a second thought, you are right. MAC never wanted the rest of the world to become computer literate, is a good start... :-)
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:34 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Phares, I tend to disgaree with you on this point "the Mac was never designed for people in lower income countries". Was it then designed for the large middle income sector in the USA? So why would anyone even want to compare MAC and PC on the same level?
For purposes of illustration. The IDEOS was designed with Africa in mind (not brittle when dropped, can afford some basic spillage, great price point etc). The iPhone, not so much. The 15" Macbook Pro costs more than average per capita GDP of a Kenyan... I highly doubt Jobs was thinking that someone would stay without food/clothing/shelter for one year to buy a MacBook Pro. Samsung on the other hand have developed a variety of Netbooks which are comparatively cheaper (at 300 USD). Just an illustration. Apple don't have to have a unibody aluminum on all their laptops. They can have cheaper plastic notebooks. They choose not to... -- Warm Regards, Phares Kaboro Kariuki
Ive never heard anyone bash Mercedes Benz or BMW or Bentley for not having cheap cars........most of us drive toyotas and many of us are happy! But i dont mind the mercedes....showroom type.... On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 5:58 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:34 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Phares, I tend to disgaree with you on this point "the Mac was never designed for people in lower income countries". Was it then designed for the large middle income sector in the USA? So why would anyone even want to compare MAC and PC on the same level?
For purposes of illustration. The IDEOS was designed with Africa in mind (not brittle when dropped, can afford some basic spillage, great price point etc). The iPhone, not so much.
The 15" Macbook Pro costs more than average per capita GDP of a Kenyan... I highly doubt Jobs was thinking that someone would stay without food/clothing/shelter for one year to buy a MacBook Pro. Samsung on the other hand have developed a variety of Netbooks which are comparatively cheaper (at 300 USD). Just an illustration.
Apple don't have to have a unibody aluminum on all their laptops. They can have cheaper plastic notebooks. They choose not to...
-- Warm Regards,
Phares Kaboro Kariuki
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Ive never heard anyone bash Mercedes Benz or BMW or Bentley for not having cheap cars........most of us drive toyotas and many of us are happy! But i dont mind the mercedes....showroom type....
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 5:58 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>wrote:
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:34 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Phares, I tend to disgaree with you on this point "the Mac was never designed for people in lower income countries". Was it then designed for the large middle income sector in the USA? So why would anyone even want to compare MAC and PC on the same level?
For purposes of illustration. The IDEOS was designed with Africa in mind (not brittle when dropped, can afford some basic spillage, great price point etc). The iPhone, not so much.
The 15" Macbook Pro costs more than average per capita GDP of a Kenyan... I highly doubt Jobs was thinking that someone would stay without food/clothing/shelter for one year to buy a MacBook Pro. Samsung on the other hand have developed a variety of Netbooks which are comparatively cheaper (at 300 USD). Just an illustration.
Apple don't have to have a unibody aluminum on all their laptops. They can have cheaper plastic notebooks. They choose not to...
-- Warm Regards,
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Sorry i will refrase Difference btw Benz/BMW & Apple is that the latter's products *ARE 90%*FOSS rip-off with reduced security. _______________________________________________ *Good judgement comes from Experience.* *Most of that comes from Bad Judgement.* _______________________________________________ * * 2011/11/16 James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com>
Difference btw Benz/BMW & Apple is that the latter's products are not 90% FOSS rip-offs with reduced security.
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On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 5:58 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>wrote:
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:34 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Phares, I tend to disgaree with you on this point "the Mac was never designed for people in lower income countries". Was it then designed for the large middle income sector in the USA? So why would anyone even want to compare MAC and PC on the same level?
For purposes of illustration. The IDEOS was designed with Africa in mind (not brittle when dropped, can afford some basic spillage, great price point etc). The iPhone, not so much.
The 15" Macbook Pro costs more than average per capita GDP of a Kenyan... I highly doubt Jobs was thinking that someone would stay without food/clothing/shelter for one year to buy a MacBook Pro. Samsung on the other hand have developed a variety of Netbooks which are comparatively cheaper (at 300 USD). Just an illustration.
Apple don't have to have a unibody aluminum on all their laptops. They can have cheaper plastic notebooks. They choose not to...
-- Warm Regards,
Phares Kaboro Kariuki
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On 11/16/11, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry i will refrase Difference btw Benz/BMW & Apple is that the latter's products *ARE 90%*FOSS rip-off with reduced security.
Really? I thought it was the other way round [ http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-chat/2004-July/002483.html ] The reason why Apple / Mac looks like "90%*FOSS rip-off", most of the core FreeBSD committers are also Apple developers [ http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/library/os-freebsd/ ]. Martin.
@David What would stop anyone else from doing the same? Honour, having a spine, a pioneering spirit and the software engineering balls to develop and roll out YOUR OWN sw. @Martin Please be making sure your comments are fact checked 2011/11/16, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>:
On 11/16/11, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry i will refrase Difference btw Benz/BMW & Apple is that the latter's products *ARE 90%*FOSS rip-off with reduced security.
Really? I thought it was the other way round [ http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-chat/2004-July/002483.html ]
The reason why Apple / Mac looks like "90%*FOSS rip-off", most of the core FreeBSD committers are also Apple developers [ http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/library/os-freebsd/ ].
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James, What would stop anyone else from doing the same? What has made apple soo successful. I am also sure you also mean that iMacs, iTunes and Mac Book Pros are made from Opensource parts right? Kiania D On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 11:14 AM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
Difference btw Benz/BMW & Apple is that the latter's products are not 90% FOSS rip-offs with reduced security.
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2011/11/16 Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>
Ive never heard anyone bash Mercedes Benz or BMW or Bentley for not having cheap cars........most of us drive toyotas and many of us are happy! But i dont mind the mercedes....showroom type....
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 5:58 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>wrote:
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:34 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Phares, I tend to disgaree with you on this point "the Mac was never designed for people in lower income countries". Was it then designed for the large middle income sector in the USA? So why would anyone even want to compare MAC and PC on the same level?
For purposes of illustration. The IDEOS was designed with Africa in mind (not brittle when dropped, can afford some basic spillage, great price point etc). The iPhone, not so much.
The 15" Macbook Pro costs more than average per capita GDP of a Kenyan... I highly doubt Jobs was thinking that someone would stay without food/clothing/shelter for one year to buy a MacBook Pro. Samsung on the other hand have developed a variety of Netbooks which are comparatively cheaper (at 300 USD). Just an illustration.
Apple don't have to have a unibody aluminum on all their laptops. They can have cheaper plastic notebooks. They choose not to...
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On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:
Ive never heard anyone bash Mercedes Benz or BMW or Bentley for not having cheap cars........most of us drive toyotas and many of us are happy! But i dont mind the mercedes....showroom type....
The psychotic analogy here would be : "But you are not letting me fit the mercedes engine on a bicycle !!! You are promoting poverty by doing that and hence mercedes never wants the people of the world to become more mobile."
Gentlemen, Rather fortunately and for the love of technology, i hereby declare a Tag Line for Microsoft & Intel. I hope they will use it properly! : "We have brought you affordable computing. We have brought you computer knowledge. We have brought you computer literacy. We have done this for decades. What has our competition brought you? Fancy and niche products that the major of the world's populations cannot afford. If it were left to them, you would still be using the Abacus or Main Frames for a selected few. You would still need a Computer Science Degree or be a Scientist to operate a computer. We have done what no other could do for decades. Given you a chance at level playing field with the rest of the world. We have given you the PC. We have even made hardware open and cheap so that our competitors can run their own systems without any need for specialized components. We have given you the PC. " Please share your tag lines for your appropriate systems that you support. Cheers.
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