On 16 November 2011 16:35, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:

@Martin
How did you bring Linux into our discussion? Dont stray. Read my post again.
Here is your claim about majority core BSD devs being apple devs:-
'The reason why Apple / Mac looks like "90%*FOSS rip-off", most of the
core FreeBSD committers are also Apple developers'
You are now being a politician.

@Rad Webkit is apple's own opensource project. It was forked from
KHTML of the KDE project. And even currently google is the biggest
contributor to webkit

2011/11/16, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com>:

> Apple also contributes Webkit
>
> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Martin Chiteri
> <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Once again James, I disagree, sorry. If your idea of Open Source is
>> Linux only then your view is skewed. Apple actually contributes back
>> to *BSD, but simply because their code-bases / APIs are different from
>> Linux, the contributions never reach Everyone.
>>
>> One of the core FreeBSD developers here [
>> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-chat/2004-July/002494.html
>> ] is quoted as saying, "Apple makes extensive use of open source for
>> lower level operating system frameworks, application services, etc,
>> and participates actively in many of the open source communities
>> associated
>> with those projects.".
>>
>> Also, I did not say a *majority of FreeBSD* developers are from Apple.
>> I actually said *a number of key committers* of FreeBSD. Committers
>> are the only ones who push changes to the main software repository.
>> They number around 200, that means that Apple devs are much less, so
>> my claims might actually be reasonable.
>>
>> Martin.
>>
>> On 11/16/11, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > @Martin
>> > The ripoff bit comes when they take open source (which was free) close
>> > it, add alittle of their own stuff that makes it less secure than
>> > anything else and flog it ...doesnt matter what price.
>> > Ontop of that compared to what they rip, they contribute very little
>> > back to open until pressure mounts on them
>> >
>> > 2011/11/16, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com>:
>> >> @ Martin
>> >> I read that article some time ago. Dont think you're showing me
>> >> anything
>> >> new
>> >>
>> >> That article mentions quite afew - not majority - of apple devs....and
>> >> thats only for the FreeBSD project. How you translated that to
>> >> majority...i don't know
>> >>
>> >> There are 4 other BSD projects that apple hardly derives from.
>> >> But if you are realy interested in the dev's stats, each project
>> >> provides a list of developers and some bg info on each. Find them,
>> >> read them then we will be on the same wavelength for a productive
>> >> argument.
>> >>
>> >> 2011/11/16, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>:
>> >>> @James, you might want to have a look at the links I posted earlier. I
>> >>> understand your cognitive dissonance. The link from I.B.M has a part
>> >>> that says " ...... But there is considerable overlap between FreeBSD
>> >>> and Darwin development, and quite a few FreeBSD developers are Apple
>> >>> employees."
>> >>>
>> >>> I think that a number of key FreeBSD committers are Mac OS X
>> >>> developers simply because Apple hired them due to their operating
>> >>> systems' close ancestry. One of the guys is John Hubbard.
>> >>> Check this out [
>> >>>
>> http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/FreeBSD_Delay_Mac_OS_X_TMO_Speaks_With_Jordan_K._Hubbard/
>> >>> ]
>> >>>
>> >>> Once again, please open the links I sent and read the pages, I might
>> >>> be
>> >>> wrong :)
>> >>>
>> >>> Martin.
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